NYSEAMERICAN:RLGT Radiant Logistics Q3 2024 Earnings Report $6.41 -0.13 (-1.99%) As of 04:10 PM Eastern Earnings History Radiant Logistics EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.08Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ARadiant Logistics Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$184.56 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ARadiant Logistics Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2024Date5/9/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, May 9, 2024Conference Call Time4:30PM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Radiant Logistics Q3 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 9, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day. This afternoon, Bohn Crain, Radiant Logistics' Founder and CEO and Radiant Chief Financial Officer, Todd Macomber, will provide a general business update and discuss financial results for the company's 3rd fiscal quarter 9 months ended March 31, 2024. Following their comments, we will open the call to questions. This conference is scheduled for 30 minutes. This conference may include forward looking statements within the meaning of the Securities Act 1933 and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Operator00:00:38The company has based these forward looking statements on its current expectations and projections about future events. These forward looking statements are subject to known and unknown risks, uncertainties and assumptions about the company that may cause the company's actual results or achievements to be materially different from the results or achievements expressed or implied by such forward looking statements. While it is impossible to identify all factors that may cause the company's actual results or achievements to differ materially from those set forth in our forward looking statements. Such factors include those that have in the past and may in the future be identified in the company's SEC filings and other public announcements, which are available on Radiant's website at www.radiantdelivers dotcom. In addition, past results are not necessarily an indication of future performance. Operator00:01:35Now I'd like to pass the call over to Radiant's Founder and CEO, Von Crain. Sir, the floor is yours. Speaker 100:01:42Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining in on today's call. Our results for the quarter ended March 31, 2024 continue to reflect the difficult freight markets being experienced by the entire industry as well as our own operations. This extended period of weak freight demand combined with excess capacity continues to negatively impact not only our current results, but also the year over year comparison to our record results for prior year period. With that said, we saw a very difficult January and then steadily improvements throughout the quarter and we expect to report sequential quarterly improvement moving forward as markets find their way to more sustainable and normalized levels. Speaker 100:02:33Notwithstanding the tough year over year comparisons, we continue to deliver meaningfully positive results and have generated $22,100,000 in adjusted EBITDA and $16,000,000 in net cash for operations for the 9 months ended March 31, 2024. In addition, we continue to enjoy a strong balance sheet, finishing the quarter with approximately $31,200,000 of cash on hand and nothing drawn on our $200,000,000 credit facility. As previously discussed, we believe we are well positioned to navigate to these slower freight markets as we find our way back to more normalized market conditions. At the same time, we remain focused on delivering profitable growth through a combination of organic and acquisition initiatives and thoughtfully relevering our balance sheet through a combination of agent station conversions, synergistic tuck in acquisitions and stock buybacks. Through this approach, we believe over time, we will continue to deliver meaningful value for our shareholders, operating partners and the end customers that we serve. Speaker 100:03:44In this regard, we are very excited about our recent agent station conversions with the acquisition of Delray in October of 2023 and the select businesses in February of 2024, which will combine to solidify our offering to support the cruise line industry in South Florida, along with our most recent acquisition of Minnesota based Viking Worldwide in April of 2024. We launched Radian in 2006 with the goal of partnering with logistics entrepreneurs who would benefit from our unique value proposition and the built in strategy available to the entrepreneurs participating in our network. We believe these three transactions are representative of a broader pipeline of opportunities inherent in our agent based network, and we look forward to supporting other strategic operating partners when they are ready to begin their transition from an agency to company owned location. With that said, I'll now turn it over to Todd Macomber, our CFO, to walk through the details of our financial results and then we'll open it up for some Q and A. Speaker 200:04:56Thanks, Paul, and good afternoon, everyone. Today, we will be discussing our financial results, including adjusted net income and adjusted EBITDA for the 3 9 months ended March 31, 2024. For the 3 months ended March 31, 2024, we reported a net loss attributable to Radiant Logistics of $703,000 on $184,600,000 of revenues or $0.02 per basic and fully diluted share. For the 3 months ended March 31, 2023, we reported net income attributable to Radian Logistics of $4,183,000 on $244,200,000 of revenues or $0.09 per basic and $0.08 per fully diluted share. This represents a decrease of approximately $4,886,000 of net income over the comparable prior year period. Speaker 200:05:52For adjusted net income, we reported 3,580 $6,000 for the 3 months ended March 31, 2024 compared to adjusted net income of $8,221,000 for the 3 months ended March 31, 2023. This represents a decrease of approximately $4,635,000 Speaker 300:06:14or approximately 56.4%. Speaker 200:06:17For adjusted EBITDA, we reported $5,208,000 for the 3 months ended March 31, 2024 compared to adjusted EBITDA of $11,560,000 for the 3 months ended March 31, 2023. This represents a decrease of approximately $6,352,000 or approximately 54.9%. Moving along to the 9 months. For the 9 months ended March 31, 2024, we reported net income attributable to Radian Logistics of $2,904,000 on $596,400,000 of revenues or $0.06 per basic and fully diluted share. For the 3 months ended March 31, we reported net income attributable to Radiant Logistics of $17,452,000 on $853,300,000 of revenues or $0.36 per basic and $0.35 per fully diluted share. Speaker 200:07:16This represents a decrease of approximately $14,548,000 over the comparable prior year period or 83.4 percent. For adjusted net income, we reported $15,632,000 for the 9 months ended March 31, 2024 compared to adjusted net income of $32,845,000 for the 9 months ended March 31, 2023. This represents a decrease of approximately $17,213,000 or approximately 52.4%. For adjusted EBITDA, we reported $22,083,000 for the 9 months ended March 31, 2024 compared to adjusted EBITDA of $46,434,000 for the 9 months ended March 31, 2023. This represents a decrease of approximately $24,351,000 or approximately 52.4%. Speaker 200:08:19With that, I will turn the call back over to our moderator to facilitate any Q and A from our call. Operator00:08:27Thank you. The floor is now open for And our first question comes from Mark Argentino from Lake Street Capital. Go ahead, Mark. Speaker 400:08:49Hey, Bonnie, Todd. Just any kind of color on the environment right now? I know it continues to be a little tough out there, but you've seen any kind of green shoots out there, any sectors that are maybe starting to perform a little better across the platform? Speaker 100:09:07Thanks, Mark. This is Bowen. I guess I would start by kind of reiterating the prepared remarks, which was January started off really, really slow. And we have seen kind of sequential February was better than January and March was better than February and kind of early indications April is continuing to build on that trend. So I think we're effectively calling the bottom in terms of the slowness here. Speaker 100:09:46Quarter ended March is our seasonally slowest quarter as well. So we would expect prospective quarters to work their way back to more normalized levels. What I think kind of our world is similar to the others that calls that you might have participated in. The international has been soft, but that seems to be improving. So we're seeing a little bit of light, I guess, in terms of the international or the performance of the international services within the solution set. Speaker 100:10:30Canada, who typically is really, really shine bright, had their own struggles with the quarter ended March, but they're making meaningfully progress there. Probably one of our most challenged areas has been in the intermodal space. But even that too, we're very optimistic of the trajectory of what we're doing in Chicago with our bimodal initiative. And for those that might remember, we, on a greenfield basis, opened a truck brokerage capability in Kansas City kind of in the wake of Yellow's bankruptcy that we're pretty excited about. We've got a number of things working. Speaker 100:11:24If anything, I think what I would emphasize is notwithstanding the really tough market, we think we're in really good shape in terms of financial flexibility and no debt. And so we're kind of continuing to lean into this whole environment and try to identify opportunities to take advantage of kind of in this market environment because while the numbers are not where anybody wants them to be on a relative basis, we think we're in really good shape and excited to continue to execute our strategy. And we've done as I had kind of telegraphed on some of our earlier calls, we see a big opportunity emerging in the conversion of our agent stations to company on stores. We've all talked about kind of the gray tail and kind of the inherent pipeline of tuck in acquisitions that we would expect to come to us over time and that's manifesting itself and we're happy and proud to be able to support our operating partners when they're ready to do that for us to kind of meet them at that intersection and support them in that transition. So everything is playing out kind of the way we would have hoped or expected. Speaker 100:12:47We're just unfortunately in this kind of a bit of a global freight recession right now. But I'm pretty optimistic that the kind of the ultimate worst is behind us and we'll kind of be rebuilding from here and have an opportunity to hopefully get some things done kind of more strategically in an environment where a lot of people are handcuffed. Speaker 400:13:14That's helpful. And then I know obviously the balance sheet is in great shape and happily so, but at the same time any thoughts on incrementally getting a little more aggressive here or you just kind of whatever comes to you, comes to you and it is what it is at this point in terms of deploying capital? Speaker 100:13:33Yes. Well, we've always been or I like to view or think of ourselves as always being good kind of disciplined allocators of capital. So we've never chased deals and we're not going to be chasing deals in this environment. But I think kind of our view about kind of valuation and structure, that kind of work for us. I think the market is coming to us a little bit, if you will. Speaker 100:14:01So I think we'll have more of an opportunity to get things done in a way that makes sense to us in terms of value and structure. And we expect to be active in our stock buyback moving forward. We weren't particularly active this quarter knowing that it was going to be a soft quarter and our stock is thinly traded and we didn't want to kind of step into it, if you will, so to speak. But kind of as the trading window opens up and all that type of stuff, we would expect to kind of be out there in the market beginning again to reengage in our buyback. So kind of continuing along the course we've been describing is kind of our baseline plan is a balanced approach of stock buybacks and these smaller tuck in type of acquisitions. Speaker 100:15:04And if something larger comes along, we'll certainly look at it, but it will have to kind of meet these fundamental criteria that we look at as we think about how we're deploying our capital. Speaker 400:15:19Great. Appreciate the color and good luck. Thanks guys. Operator00:15:26And our next And our next question comes from Kevin Gainey from Thompson Davis. Go ahead, Kevin. Speaker 500:15:33Hey, Yvonne, Todd. Good afternoon. Maybe just to kind of delve a little bit deeper into the question about end markets, how are you what are you guys hearing from maybe the manufacturing side or the retail side or what are you hearing from those customers as you kind of roll into the next quarter and maybe the back end of the year? Speaker 100:16:04I guess I'll go first and then Todd can add in as appropriate. As historically been the case when we're in these types of environments, we're certainly not losing customers. Our customers have just been shipping less in this environment. There was a lot of talk historically about COVID safety stocks and excess inventories and kind of chewing through those inventories. And so as we think about kind of the international component, I think that is effectively playing out and that we're starting to see some increased volumes and opportunities at the margin on our international shipments. Speaker 100:16:54Some of the global conflict going on that's acted at least as a temporary catalyst on price in terms of ocean and airfreight that we're enjoying. At the same time, the underlying trend of near soaring and what's going on in Mexico continues to play out and remains a very interesting area of growth and opportunity for everyone as we spend a fair amount of time talking about how to support our current and prospective customers that historically have sourced from China and how they're I mean, no one's abandoning China, but they're diversifying their sourcing strategies and we want to be able to support our current and prospective customers as they're kind of executing against those diversification strategy. But some of the slowest markets to recover for those that have been on some of our prior calls, cruise line is certainly coming back, trade shows coming back quite strongly. So those are definitely some positives. We continue to do a lot of what I'll call retail store rollouts, kind of big distributions to the big box retailers, some of our underlying customers that are vendors to those big box retailers. Speaker 100:18:32That business is I wouldn't say red hot, but it's certainly still there and moving along nicely. We do a fair amount of work in kind of high value servers, kind of the high-tech space and moving servers around here in the U. S. And around the world for some of our accounts. That continues to do well. Speaker 100:18:58Our kind of humanitarian aid, disaster relief continues to see opportunities given what's going on in the world environment. So those are some kind of areas or thematics that we observe within our own business. Speaker 500:19:21Yes, that all sounds really good. Maybe you can also at least what we've heard is there's been a lot more pushback from a pricing standpoint, at least in the entire transportation industry. And I'm wondering if you guys are encountering that as well when it comes to your service offerings that people are pushing back on pricing. Speaker 100:19:48Well, I think for the benefit of the listeners, I think what you're describing is that we've been in an environment where kind of the pendulum of power has shifted to the customer and they've been kind of doing their best to extract the best pricing they can out of the carrier base. But I think the pushback is coming is that there's just effectively nothing left to give from the asset base guys. And to kind of build on that concept a little bit further, as a non asset base, there's a principally non asset base 3PL when the asset based guys have excess capacity setting idle, they effectively begin to offer service at irrational unsustainable pricing because they've got sunk cost and they would rather keep their fleets rolling than sitting idle. And so that environment is a very tough environment for everybody, but including the non asset based guys because the asset based carriers are effectively taking as much freight as they can. And so there's not as much left over to enjoy, if you will, for the non asset based players. Speaker 100:21:16But if we look at that over time, the this window in the freight cycle is a very small window in time within what I would call a normal freight cycle. You hear a lot of people talking about an elongated recovery because just this window is taking longer than usual to kind of work its way through. And that there's obviously a lot of contributing factors. But when COVID was going on and there was such rich margins to be enjoyed by the transports, everyone was out investing in capacity and then so we know what kind of happens at the end of that movie or in the kind of the down part of that cycle, which we're working through now. Speaker 200:22:17Yes, I'll echo that. I mean, we're seeing increases in domestic, international incrementally per quarter. And with those, I'm looking specifically at our net margins, it's volume, the volumes are starting to pick up. And at some point in time, obviously, we'll get back more of that equilibrium in that whole scenario that Bohn is describing will obviously be behind us. So it's I'm thinking that will change hopefully next quarter, here this quarter we're in. Speaker 200:22:49And the dynamics of what you're discussing, I think will be back to a more normal healthy environment for everyone. Speaker 500:23:00Thanks guys. I appreciate all the color. I'll hand it over. Sure. Speaker 200:23:04Yes. Operator00:23:07And our next question comes from Jason Seidl from TD Cowen. Go ahead, Jason. Speaker 100:23:14Thanks, operator. Hey, Bonnie, Todd. How are you guys doing? Good. Thank you. Speaker 100:23:19Good. So, wanted to Speaker 600:23:21sort of get an idea about 4Q given just how slow 3Q started. Can you sort of walk us through EBITDA per month so we can get a better feel of what the run rate is as we head into the quarter here? Speaker 100:23:37No. We're not going to get that granular in terms of the deep of our numbers. I think that would be problematic in terms of just disclosures. And I don't have to turn around issue an H and A on the backside of this call. Speaker 600:23:56All right. So let me ask you this. Were you guys profitable on an EBITDA basis, Jay? Speaker 200:24:02Yes. Speaker 600:24:04Okay. That's fair enough. Also, Speaker 300:24:07how should we Speaker 600:24:07think about the current mix between sort of your international air business and your more domestic stuff versus and your ocean as well? I'm just curious where you guys ended the quarter on a mix basis? Speaker 100:24:25I'm well, that's yes. I'll let Todd hop in because I'm painting with a broad brush. But historically, our core business as a domestic time definite freight forward. So again, painting with a really broad brush, if we're normally a $1,000,000,000 revenue company, maybe $350,000,000 or $400,000,000 might be international. And then we could kind of peel that apart between air and ocean. Speaker 100:25:00But the bigger piece of the pie is on domestic. And when I say domestic, I'm including North America. So I'm including our Canadian business and Canadian cross border and our Mexico and Mexico cross border business is kind of domestic and the international being true international air and ocean coming to North America. Todd, are you going to add? Yes. Speaker 100:25:38And then how it goes. I don't know if you want to kind of feel that part a little further. Speaker 200:25:44I agree with what you're saying. Speaker 600:25:49Perfect. Speaker 100:25:52Jason, I'll build on it just a little bit more for you. So on the certainly historically, we were as we thought about international, we were much more air freight than ocean freight. And then during COVID, we ended up doing a fair amount of ocean, kind of during the peaks of COVID given all the constraints and everyone looking for space. So that was a little bit anomalous, kind of the spike in ocean, kind of during the height of COVID. But you would expect us to be more heavily leaning towards airfreight than oceanfreight in terms of margin contribution. Speaker 600:26:47Okay. So as I think about the additional capacity coming on in the ocean space, you guys are going to be less impacted than your typical freight forwarder might be? Speaker 100:26:59Certainly. Well, I think the answer to that is yes, because most people when they say freight forwarder, they think international freight forwarding. And again, the majority of our business is actually on the domestic port. Okay. Speaker 600:27:14I just want to make sure we're thinking about it at the right Speaker 200:27:18I mean historically our gross margins, 65% of it if you go back to the prior year was domestic. So that's the and that will continue to be we'll have it'll be absolutely the majority the vast majority of our net margins. Speaker 100:27:37Perfect. And Bon, as you talked Speaker 200:27:40a little bit about usage of Speaker 600:27:41cash, and I understand it's going to be spread out depending upon where the market is. But at least for the near term, should we expect you guys to sort of just stay in that buyback and agent tuck in mode because right now given where your stock is trading, it might be just difficult to do any sort of other outside transaction for the multiple type? Speaker 100:28:07I always want to choose my words carefully because I never say never, right? But certainly, we'll continue to look with a great deal of scrutiny around the multiples that we pay and the relative trade offs relative to the stock buyback, we really look at that in and around every transaction. So certainly, that's the what you described is definitely the baseline case and kind of what we would generally expect to happen. But I don't want to paint myself into a corner where a transaction came along that we really felt was compelling, we would look at it. And so I don't want to say anything on the call that would leave us at another conclusion than that. Speaker 600:28:54Fair enough. Guys, I appreciate the time as always. Speaker 100:28:57Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:29:01And our next question comes from Jeff Kauffman from Vertical Research. Go ahead, Jeff. Speaker 300:29:07Thanks. Hey, Ben. Hey, Todd. Hey, so a lot of my questions have been answered. So let me go in a different direction. Speaker 300:29:16The last 2 years from Q3 to Q4, we've been dealing with this inventory destocking and what ended up being almost negative seasonality in a quarter that should be displaying more positive seasonality. Do you feel like that's going to be a little different this year? Like do you think we're past the worst of the storm and we're going to see more normal 3Q to 4Q seasonality? And then if you could just remind us, because I don't think we've seen it in 3 years, what does normal 3Q to 4Q seasonality look like? Speaker 200:29:53Yes. I mean, I personally, I mean, it's too early to tell, right? But I do think it's going to be much more normal. I mean, we're seeing increases tracking each month versus each quarter. And as we mentioned earlier, I mean, April has been stronger than March, etcetera. Speaker 200:30:09So and typically our Q3 is our weakest quarter. So we are fully expecting Q4 is going to be certainly much stronger than our existing Q3. So it's so yes, I think it's I think we're what we saw in the past, I think that is in my opinion, not going to I mean, we're going to be back to Speaker 600:30:32a more of a normal Speaker 200:30:35Q4 increase over historical Q3. Speaker 300:30:40All right. And I know there's not a cash flow statement in the release, but if I was looking for the 1st 9 months of the year at an unaudited cash flow statement, what would be my year to date use of cash on acquisitions and share repurchase? Speaker 100:31:01So obviously, that is in the queue that should also be filed by now, but Todd is looking here to give you that number. Yes. Speaker 300:31:24I mean we can always collect offline. Speaker 200:31:26Yes. So share repurchases, Jeff, for the 9 months was 3,100,000 dollars That's what we purchased through for the 9 months ended March 31, 2024. Speaker 300:31:38All the shares were fairly this quarter. Speaker 200:31:41Yes. And then you also asked about acquisitions and payments to acquire businesses for the 9 months was just under $2,000,000 Speaker 300:31:52All right. So is there a certain I know you're being opportunistic and you're sitting on a powder keg of liquidity here for opportunities. But is there a certain cash level that you just don't want to go below given the environment? Speaker 100:32:11Not necessarily. I mean, I would answer I'll come at that slightly differently, which is we would target probably plus or minus 2.5 times funded debt to EBITDA in terms of leverage, while leaving kind of cushion within our capacity. So we would be comfortable up to 2.5 times. So that's kind of an answer. But we would only with the benefit of the cash we generated through COVID are we sitting in a net cash positive position? Speaker 100:32:58Almost always through the history of the company, we've been a net borrower and had amounts out standing under our credit facility. So it's not that we're not prepared to we're not seeking or intentionally targeting some targeted level of cash. At the end of the day, we're looking more at what are we comfortably carrying as kind of a net debt position relative to our financial covenants and all that kind of stuff. Speaker 300:33:34One last question, Scott, if I can. So shares outstanding started the year around $49,000,000 and I'm talking fiscal year. And currently they're right around 47. So they're down about 2,000,000 shares, but you've only repurchased 500,000 shares. I think I know the answer, but can you help me understand what that other 1,500,000 share difference is? Speaker 300:33:57And is it a situation where if you return to profit and the stock goes up a buck or 2, are we looking at 48 to 49,000,000 in shares Speaker 100:34:06as opposed to 46,000,000 to 47,000,000? Speaker 200:34:10What's the pay? Speaker 300:34:15I'm just trying to model here. Speaker 200:34:18So I'm sorry, let's see. So we've yes, we start well, the treasury shares were 4,300,000 at the beginning of the year, June 30, 2023. And so we have yes, we purchased 500,000 shares. So our treasury shares are now 4,800,000. Speaker 300:34:37Right. But the fully diluted shares finished the fiscal year at 49,100,000 and they're currently $47,000,000 ish. So that's a 2,000,000 share difference in reported shares outstanding on a 500,000 shares repurchased. I'm just wondering Yes, I think that dilution has to Speaker 200:34:56do with the fact there was a net loss in the quarter. Speaker 100:34:59Well, I think it has more to do that there's out of the money securities that wouldn't be counted in that share outstanding basis. I think that's the point you're getting at. Yes. Speaker 300:35:12Right. So I guess my question is in terms of modeling, if you swing to a profit, will that drive it back to 48,500,000 shares or is it something more to do with stock price? Speaker 200:35:22Well, yes, it will drive it back. Obviously, we'll recast calculations and as those numbers change, it's going to obviously impact the overall fully diluted shares of the calculation. So the answer is yes. Speaker 300:35:36Okay. Thank you for that. Congratulations. Hopefully this environment gets better soon and thank you for answering my questions. Speaker 200:35:43Thank you, Jeff. We appreciate your support. Operator00:35:48And we do have one last question from Mike Fuhrman from Newland Capital. Go ahead, Mike. Speaker 700:35:54Hey, guys. How are you doing? Speaker 100:35:56Good. Thanks. A couple of quick ones Speaker 700:35:59for you. Obviously, a lot of your competitors are we've seen a lot of reports are hurting pretty bad right now. And I believe some of your direct competitors do have a lot of leverage on them. They've been I think they're private equity. So have you seen any concern from their customers coming to you? Speaker 700:36:23Are you winning any new business? I guess what I'm getting to, are we going to come out of this stronger than we went into them? Forgetting about acquisitions, but just on the pure organic win basis. Speaker 100:36:40Well, so I don't want to take advantage of the softball you're throwing out there to talk negatively about our competitors. So I'm going to Speaker 700:36:52say I'm talking more positively about Speaker 100:36:58Yes. I think we are in a good relative position. Everybody's got their own set of constraints and their own strategies to address those issues. And we're going to do all we can to take advantage of the opportunity sets that come our way. And I can't I don't know what some of those I don't know what financial flexibility some of those folks have to go recapitalize their sheets or whether it's going to cause some other types of or create some other types of opportunities. Speaker 100:37:39I don't know and if I did, I wouldn't be in a position to say so anyway. Speaker 700:37:44Right. But Speaker 100:37:47your observations aren't we're kind of candidly, we're kind of curious as well to see kind of what's going to happen out there because we're certainly not having a lot of fun in this market, but we're kind of top of glass in my around the situation. So I don't Speaker 700:38:11envy On that topic, are you seeing more deals come to market, not necessarily ones that we would want, but are there more distressed companies shopping themselves around? That may or may not be interesting to us, but are you seeing more? Absolutely. Speaker 100:38:33And candidly, particularly on the truck brokerage side, right? A that's been a really tough place for folks. And we've certainly without any specifics, we certainly hear have heard and continue to hear there's quite a few folks out there that are just going kind of payroll to payroll trying to live to fight another day. There we've seen it underway and I think we're not done with the constructive destruction that's got to take place over on the trucking side of things in particular return some more rational pricing to the marketplace. Speaker 700:39:28Excellent. And then one last one for you. I know know over the past couple of years, we and I think we had peak earnings, I don't remember whether we did $70,000,000 $80,000,000 of EBITDA. Now we're down here. And you had always said, forget about the ups and downs, they're normalized to somewhere between, let's say, dollars 50,000,000 $60,000,000 I think you said, maybe if I remember correctly, somewhere in that area. Speaker 700:39:55Is that still a good bookmark? In normal time, we should be in that range and hopefully everything that we're doing during the downturn, bringing in some of the agents, maybe some acquisition, maybe that creeps up over time, but has anything changed in your mind to that normalized type EBITDA run rate for the company? Speaker 100:40:25No. I mean, I think the only thing that's changed is just this is the elongated nature of this slowdown. So the time that it is taking us all collectively to get back to that normal is being extended kind of beyond what people were expecting. But in terms of how we think about the business, the opportunity set, the strategies, they are areas of focus, none of that has changed. But probably what has not directly responsive to your question, but we were in some respects fortunate we didn't go do a lot of take all of our cash and go do a lot of M and A and pay higher multiples for businesses or go do a tender offer for a bunch of our stock at $6 $7 a share or whatever it was at the time, when we would get those questions from time to time. Speaker 100:41:38I'm really glad we didn't do those things because we were as cautious as we were, it just put us in a better situation or better position to some people are kind of burning the furniture and we're not at all doing that, right? We're continuing to invest in the business and continue to grow and focus on organic growth and salespeople and supporting our making good on our brand promise and supporting our agent stations and those conversions. So we are largely business as normal, notwithstanding the fact that this is a really tough one. Speaker 700:42:23All right. Excellent. Well, happy with the balance sheet, happy with the continuation of positive cash generation. So it will get better and you're doing a great job. Speaker 100:42:34Thanks guys. Thanks. Thank you. Operator00:42:40Thank you. That is our last question. I'd now like to turn it back to management for any closing remarks. Speaker 100:42:47Thank you. Let me close by saying that we remain optimistic about our prospects and opportunities to continue to leverage our best in class technology, robust North American footprint and extensive global network of service partners to continue to build on the great platform we've created here at Radient. At the same time, we intend to thoughtfully relever our balance sheet and through a combination of agestation conversions, synergistic tuck in acquisitions and stock buyback. Through our multi pronged approach of organic growth, acquisitions and buybacks, we believe we will continue to create meaningful value for our shareholders, operating partners and the end customers that we serve. Thanks for listening and your support of Radian Logistics. Operator00:43:37Thank you. This does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day. This afternoon, Bohn Crain, Radiant Logistics' Founder and CEO and Radiant Chief Financial Officer, Todd Macomber, will provide a general business update and discuss financial results for the company's 3rd fiscal quarter 9 months ended March 31, 2024. Following their comments, we will open the call to questions. This conference is scheduled for 30 minutes. This conference may include forward looking statements within the meaning of the Securities Act 1933 and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Operator00:00:38The company has based these forward looking statements on its current expectations and projections about future events. These forward looking statements are subject to known and unknown risks, uncertainties and assumptions about the company that may cause the company's actual results or achievements to be materially different from the results or achievements expressed or implied by such forward looking statements. While it is impossible to identify all factors that may cause the company's actual results or achievements to differ materially from those set forth in our forward looking statements. Such factors include those that have in the past and may in the future be identified in the company's SEC filings and other public announcements, which are available on Radiant's website at www.radiantdelivers dotcom. In addition, past results are not necessarily an indication of future performance. Operator00:01:35Now I'd like to pass the call over to Radiant's Founder and CEO, Von Crain. Sir, the floor is yours. Speaker 100:01:42Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining in on today's call. Our results for the quarter ended March 31, 2024 continue to reflect the difficult freight markets being experienced by the entire industry as well as our own operations. This extended period of weak freight demand combined with excess capacity continues to negatively impact not only our current results, but also the year over year comparison to our record results for prior year period. With that said, we saw a very difficult January and then steadily improvements throughout the quarter and we expect to report sequential quarterly improvement moving forward as markets find their way to more sustainable and normalized levels. Speaker 100:02:33Notwithstanding the tough year over year comparisons, we continue to deliver meaningfully positive results and have generated $22,100,000 in adjusted EBITDA and $16,000,000 in net cash for operations for the 9 months ended March 31, 2024. In addition, we continue to enjoy a strong balance sheet, finishing the quarter with approximately $31,200,000 of cash on hand and nothing drawn on our $200,000,000 credit facility. As previously discussed, we believe we are well positioned to navigate to these slower freight markets as we find our way back to more normalized market conditions. At the same time, we remain focused on delivering profitable growth through a combination of organic and acquisition initiatives and thoughtfully relevering our balance sheet through a combination of agent station conversions, synergistic tuck in acquisitions and stock buybacks. Through this approach, we believe over time, we will continue to deliver meaningful value for our shareholders, operating partners and the end customers that we serve. Speaker 100:03:44In this regard, we are very excited about our recent agent station conversions with the acquisition of Delray in October of 2023 and the select businesses in February of 2024, which will combine to solidify our offering to support the cruise line industry in South Florida, along with our most recent acquisition of Minnesota based Viking Worldwide in April of 2024. We launched Radian in 2006 with the goal of partnering with logistics entrepreneurs who would benefit from our unique value proposition and the built in strategy available to the entrepreneurs participating in our network. We believe these three transactions are representative of a broader pipeline of opportunities inherent in our agent based network, and we look forward to supporting other strategic operating partners when they are ready to begin their transition from an agency to company owned location. With that said, I'll now turn it over to Todd Macomber, our CFO, to walk through the details of our financial results and then we'll open it up for some Q and A. Speaker 200:04:56Thanks, Paul, and good afternoon, everyone. Today, we will be discussing our financial results, including adjusted net income and adjusted EBITDA for the 3 9 months ended March 31, 2024. For the 3 months ended March 31, 2024, we reported a net loss attributable to Radiant Logistics of $703,000 on $184,600,000 of revenues or $0.02 per basic and fully diluted share. For the 3 months ended March 31, 2023, we reported net income attributable to Radian Logistics of $4,183,000 on $244,200,000 of revenues or $0.09 per basic and $0.08 per fully diluted share. This represents a decrease of approximately $4,886,000 of net income over the comparable prior year period. Speaker 200:05:52For adjusted net income, we reported 3,580 $6,000 for the 3 months ended March 31, 2024 compared to adjusted net income of $8,221,000 for the 3 months ended March 31, 2023. This represents a decrease of approximately $4,635,000 Speaker 300:06:14or approximately 56.4%. Speaker 200:06:17For adjusted EBITDA, we reported $5,208,000 for the 3 months ended March 31, 2024 compared to adjusted EBITDA of $11,560,000 for the 3 months ended March 31, 2023. This represents a decrease of approximately $6,352,000 or approximately 54.9%. Moving along to the 9 months. For the 9 months ended March 31, 2024, we reported net income attributable to Radian Logistics of $2,904,000 on $596,400,000 of revenues or $0.06 per basic and fully diluted share. For the 3 months ended March 31, we reported net income attributable to Radiant Logistics of $17,452,000 on $853,300,000 of revenues or $0.36 per basic and $0.35 per fully diluted share. Speaker 200:07:16This represents a decrease of approximately $14,548,000 over the comparable prior year period or 83.4 percent. For adjusted net income, we reported $15,632,000 for the 9 months ended March 31, 2024 compared to adjusted net income of $32,845,000 for the 9 months ended March 31, 2023. This represents a decrease of approximately $17,213,000 or approximately 52.4%. For adjusted EBITDA, we reported $22,083,000 for the 9 months ended March 31, 2024 compared to adjusted EBITDA of $46,434,000 for the 9 months ended March 31, 2023. This represents a decrease of approximately $24,351,000 or approximately 52.4%. Speaker 200:08:19With that, I will turn the call back over to our moderator to facilitate any Q and A from our call. Operator00:08:27Thank you. The floor is now open for And our first question comes from Mark Argentino from Lake Street Capital. Go ahead, Mark. Speaker 400:08:49Hey, Bonnie, Todd. Just any kind of color on the environment right now? I know it continues to be a little tough out there, but you've seen any kind of green shoots out there, any sectors that are maybe starting to perform a little better across the platform? Speaker 100:09:07Thanks, Mark. This is Bowen. I guess I would start by kind of reiterating the prepared remarks, which was January started off really, really slow. And we have seen kind of sequential February was better than January and March was better than February and kind of early indications April is continuing to build on that trend. So I think we're effectively calling the bottom in terms of the slowness here. Speaker 100:09:46Quarter ended March is our seasonally slowest quarter as well. So we would expect prospective quarters to work their way back to more normalized levels. What I think kind of our world is similar to the others that calls that you might have participated in. The international has been soft, but that seems to be improving. So we're seeing a little bit of light, I guess, in terms of the international or the performance of the international services within the solution set. Speaker 100:10:30Canada, who typically is really, really shine bright, had their own struggles with the quarter ended March, but they're making meaningfully progress there. Probably one of our most challenged areas has been in the intermodal space. But even that too, we're very optimistic of the trajectory of what we're doing in Chicago with our bimodal initiative. And for those that might remember, we, on a greenfield basis, opened a truck brokerage capability in Kansas City kind of in the wake of Yellow's bankruptcy that we're pretty excited about. We've got a number of things working. Speaker 100:11:24If anything, I think what I would emphasize is notwithstanding the really tough market, we think we're in really good shape in terms of financial flexibility and no debt. And so we're kind of continuing to lean into this whole environment and try to identify opportunities to take advantage of kind of in this market environment because while the numbers are not where anybody wants them to be on a relative basis, we think we're in really good shape and excited to continue to execute our strategy. And we've done as I had kind of telegraphed on some of our earlier calls, we see a big opportunity emerging in the conversion of our agent stations to company on stores. We've all talked about kind of the gray tail and kind of the inherent pipeline of tuck in acquisitions that we would expect to come to us over time and that's manifesting itself and we're happy and proud to be able to support our operating partners when they're ready to do that for us to kind of meet them at that intersection and support them in that transition. So everything is playing out kind of the way we would have hoped or expected. Speaker 100:12:47We're just unfortunately in this kind of a bit of a global freight recession right now. But I'm pretty optimistic that the kind of the ultimate worst is behind us and we'll kind of be rebuilding from here and have an opportunity to hopefully get some things done kind of more strategically in an environment where a lot of people are handcuffed. Speaker 400:13:14That's helpful. And then I know obviously the balance sheet is in great shape and happily so, but at the same time any thoughts on incrementally getting a little more aggressive here or you just kind of whatever comes to you, comes to you and it is what it is at this point in terms of deploying capital? Speaker 100:13:33Yes. Well, we've always been or I like to view or think of ourselves as always being good kind of disciplined allocators of capital. So we've never chased deals and we're not going to be chasing deals in this environment. But I think kind of our view about kind of valuation and structure, that kind of work for us. I think the market is coming to us a little bit, if you will. Speaker 100:14:01So I think we'll have more of an opportunity to get things done in a way that makes sense to us in terms of value and structure. And we expect to be active in our stock buyback moving forward. We weren't particularly active this quarter knowing that it was going to be a soft quarter and our stock is thinly traded and we didn't want to kind of step into it, if you will, so to speak. But kind of as the trading window opens up and all that type of stuff, we would expect to kind of be out there in the market beginning again to reengage in our buyback. So kind of continuing along the course we've been describing is kind of our baseline plan is a balanced approach of stock buybacks and these smaller tuck in type of acquisitions. Speaker 100:15:04And if something larger comes along, we'll certainly look at it, but it will have to kind of meet these fundamental criteria that we look at as we think about how we're deploying our capital. Speaker 400:15:19Great. Appreciate the color and good luck. Thanks guys. Operator00:15:26And our next And our next question comes from Kevin Gainey from Thompson Davis. Go ahead, Kevin. Speaker 500:15:33Hey, Yvonne, Todd. Good afternoon. Maybe just to kind of delve a little bit deeper into the question about end markets, how are you what are you guys hearing from maybe the manufacturing side or the retail side or what are you hearing from those customers as you kind of roll into the next quarter and maybe the back end of the year? Speaker 100:16:04I guess I'll go first and then Todd can add in as appropriate. As historically been the case when we're in these types of environments, we're certainly not losing customers. Our customers have just been shipping less in this environment. There was a lot of talk historically about COVID safety stocks and excess inventories and kind of chewing through those inventories. And so as we think about kind of the international component, I think that is effectively playing out and that we're starting to see some increased volumes and opportunities at the margin on our international shipments. Speaker 100:16:54Some of the global conflict going on that's acted at least as a temporary catalyst on price in terms of ocean and airfreight that we're enjoying. At the same time, the underlying trend of near soaring and what's going on in Mexico continues to play out and remains a very interesting area of growth and opportunity for everyone as we spend a fair amount of time talking about how to support our current and prospective customers that historically have sourced from China and how they're I mean, no one's abandoning China, but they're diversifying their sourcing strategies and we want to be able to support our current and prospective customers as they're kind of executing against those diversification strategy. But some of the slowest markets to recover for those that have been on some of our prior calls, cruise line is certainly coming back, trade shows coming back quite strongly. So those are definitely some positives. We continue to do a lot of what I'll call retail store rollouts, kind of big distributions to the big box retailers, some of our underlying customers that are vendors to those big box retailers. Speaker 100:18:32That business is I wouldn't say red hot, but it's certainly still there and moving along nicely. We do a fair amount of work in kind of high value servers, kind of the high-tech space and moving servers around here in the U. S. And around the world for some of our accounts. That continues to do well. Speaker 100:18:58Our kind of humanitarian aid, disaster relief continues to see opportunities given what's going on in the world environment. So those are some kind of areas or thematics that we observe within our own business. Speaker 500:19:21Yes, that all sounds really good. Maybe you can also at least what we've heard is there's been a lot more pushback from a pricing standpoint, at least in the entire transportation industry. And I'm wondering if you guys are encountering that as well when it comes to your service offerings that people are pushing back on pricing. Speaker 100:19:48Well, I think for the benefit of the listeners, I think what you're describing is that we've been in an environment where kind of the pendulum of power has shifted to the customer and they've been kind of doing their best to extract the best pricing they can out of the carrier base. But I think the pushback is coming is that there's just effectively nothing left to give from the asset base guys. And to kind of build on that concept a little bit further, as a non asset base, there's a principally non asset base 3PL when the asset based guys have excess capacity setting idle, they effectively begin to offer service at irrational unsustainable pricing because they've got sunk cost and they would rather keep their fleets rolling than sitting idle. And so that environment is a very tough environment for everybody, but including the non asset based guys because the asset based carriers are effectively taking as much freight as they can. And so there's not as much left over to enjoy, if you will, for the non asset based players. Speaker 100:21:16But if we look at that over time, the this window in the freight cycle is a very small window in time within what I would call a normal freight cycle. You hear a lot of people talking about an elongated recovery because just this window is taking longer than usual to kind of work its way through. And that there's obviously a lot of contributing factors. But when COVID was going on and there was such rich margins to be enjoyed by the transports, everyone was out investing in capacity and then so we know what kind of happens at the end of that movie or in the kind of the down part of that cycle, which we're working through now. Speaker 200:22:17Yes, I'll echo that. I mean, we're seeing increases in domestic, international incrementally per quarter. And with those, I'm looking specifically at our net margins, it's volume, the volumes are starting to pick up. And at some point in time, obviously, we'll get back more of that equilibrium in that whole scenario that Bohn is describing will obviously be behind us. So it's I'm thinking that will change hopefully next quarter, here this quarter we're in. Speaker 200:22:49And the dynamics of what you're discussing, I think will be back to a more normal healthy environment for everyone. Speaker 500:23:00Thanks guys. I appreciate all the color. I'll hand it over. Sure. Speaker 200:23:04Yes. Operator00:23:07And our next question comes from Jason Seidl from TD Cowen. Go ahead, Jason. Speaker 100:23:14Thanks, operator. Hey, Bonnie, Todd. How are you guys doing? Good. Thank you. Speaker 100:23:19Good. So, wanted to Speaker 600:23:21sort of get an idea about 4Q given just how slow 3Q started. Can you sort of walk us through EBITDA per month so we can get a better feel of what the run rate is as we head into the quarter here? Speaker 100:23:37No. We're not going to get that granular in terms of the deep of our numbers. I think that would be problematic in terms of just disclosures. And I don't have to turn around issue an H and A on the backside of this call. Speaker 600:23:56All right. So let me ask you this. Were you guys profitable on an EBITDA basis, Jay? Speaker 200:24:02Yes. Speaker 600:24:04Okay. That's fair enough. Also, Speaker 300:24:07how should we Speaker 600:24:07think about the current mix between sort of your international air business and your more domestic stuff versus and your ocean as well? I'm just curious where you guys ended the quarter on a mix basis? Speaker 100:24:25I'm well, that's yes. I'll let Todd hop in because I'm painting with a broad brush. But historically, our core business as a domestic time definite freight forward. So again, painting with a really broad brush, if we're normally a $1,000,000,000 revenue company, maybe $350,000,000 or $400,000,000 might be international. And then we could kind of peel that apart between air and ocean. Speaker 100:25:00But the bigger piece of the pie is on domestic. And when I say domestic, I'm including North America. So I'm including our Canadian business and Canadian cross border and our Mexico and Mexico cross border business is kind of domestic and the international being true international air and ocean coming to North America. Todd, are you going to add? Yes. Speaker 100:25:38And then how it goes. I don't know if you want to kind of feel that part a little further. Speaker 200:25:44I agree with what you're saying. Speaker 600:25:49Perfect. Speaker 100:25:52Jason, I'll build on it just a little bit more for you. So on the certainly historically, we were as we thought about international, we were much more air freight than ocean freight. And then during COVID, we ended up doing a fair amount of ocean, kind of during the peaks of COVID given all the constraints and everyone looking for space. So that was a little bit anomalous, kind of the spike in ocean, kind of during the height of COVID. But you would expect us to be more heavily leaning towards airfreight than oceanfreight in terms of margin contribution. Speaker 600:26:47Okay. So as I think about the additional capacity coming on in the ocean space, you guys are going to be less impacted than your typical freight forwarder might be? Speaker 100:26:59Certainly. Well, I think the answer to that is yes, because most people when they say freight forwarder, they think international freight forwarding. And again, the majority of our business is actually on the domestic port. Okay. Speaker 600:27:14I just want to make sure we're thinking about it at the right Speaker 200:27:18I mean historically our gross margins, 65% of it if you go back to the prior year was domestic. So that's the and that will continue to be we'll have it'll be absolutely the majority the vast majority of our net margins. Speaker 100:27:37Perfect. And Bon, as you talked Speaker 200:27:40a little bit about usage of Speaker 600:27:41cash, and I understand it's going to be spread out depending upon where the market is. But at least for the near term, should we expect you guys to sort of just stay in that buyback and agent tuck in mode because right now given where your stock is trading, it might be just difficult to do any sort of other outside transaction for the multiple type? Speaker 100:28:07I always want to choose my words carefully because I never say never, right? But certainly, we'll continue to look with a great deal of scrutiny around the multiples that we pay and the relative trade offs relative to the stock buyback, we really look at that in and around every transaction. So certainly, that's the what you described is definitely the baseline case and kind of what we would generally expect to happen. But I don't want to paint myself into a corner where a transaction came along that we really felt was compelling, we would look at it. And so I don't want to say anything on the call that would leave us at another conclusion than that. Speaker 600:28:54Fair enough. Guys, I appreciate the time as always. Speaker 100:28:57Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:29:01And our next question comes from Jeff Kauffman from Vertical Research. Go ahead, Jeff. Speaker 300:29:07Thanks. Hey, Ben. Hey, Todd. Hey, so a lot of my questions have been answered. So let me go in a different direction. Speaker 300:29:16The last 2 years from Q3 to Q4, we've been dealing with this inventory destocking and what ended up being almost negative seasonality in a quarter that should be displaying more positive seasonality. Do you feel like that's going to be a little different this year? Like do you think we're past the worst of the storm and we're going to see more normal 3Q to 4Q seasonality? And then if you could just remind us, because I don't think we've seen it in 3 years, what does normal 3Q to 4Q seasonality look like? Speaker 200:29:53Yes. I mean, I personally, I mean, it's too early to tell, right? But I do think it's going to be much more normal. I mean, we're seeing increases tracking each month versus each quarter. And as we mentioned earlier, I mean, April has been stronger than March, etcetera. Speaker 200:30:09So and typically our Q3 is our weakest quarter. So we are fully expecting Q4 is going to be certainly much stronger than our existing Q3. So it's so yes, I think it's I think we're what we saw in the past, I think that is in my opinion, not going to I mean, we're going to be back to Speaker 600:30:32a more of a normal Speaker 200:30:35Q4 increase over historical Q3. Speaker 300:30:40All right. And I know there's not a cash flow statement in the release, but if I was looking for the 1st 9 months of the year at an unaudited cash flow statement, what would be my year to date use of cash on acquisitions and share repurchase? Speaker 100:31:01So obviously, that is in the queue that should also be filed by now, but Todd is looking here to give you that number. Yes. Speaker 300:31:24I mean we can always collect offline. Speaker 200:31:26Yes. So share repurchases, Jeff, for the 9 months was 3,100,000 dollars That's what we purchased through for the 9 months ended March 31, 2024. Speaker 300:31:38All the shares were fairly this quarter. Speaker 200:31:41Yes. And then you also asked about acquisitions and payments to acquire businesses for the 9 months was just under $2,000,000 Speaker 300:31:52All right. So is there a certain I know you're being opportunistic and you're sitting on a powder keg of liquidity here for opportunities. But is there a certain cash level that you just don't want to go below given the environment? Speaker 100:32:11Not necessarily. I mean, I would answer I'll come at that slightly differently, which is we would target probably plus or minus 2.5 times funded debt to EBITDA in terms of leverage, while leaving kind of cushion within our capacity. So we would be comfortable up to 2.5 times. So that's kind of an answer. But we would only with the benefit of the cash we generated through COVID are we sitting in a net cash positive position? Speaker 100:32:58Almost always through the history of the company, we've been a net borrower and had amounts out standing under our credit facility. So it's not that we're not prepared to we're not seeking or intentionally targeting some targeted level of cash. At the end of the day, we're looking more at what are we comfortably carrying as kind of a net debt position relative to our financial covenants and all that kind of stuff. Speaker 300:33:34One last question, Scott, if I can. So shares outstanding started the year around $49,000,000 and I'm talking fiscal year. And currently they're right around 47. So they're down about 2,000,000 shares, but you've only repurchased 500,000 shares. I think I know the answer, but can you help me understand what that other 1,500,000 share difference is? Speaker 300:33:57And is it a situation where if you return to profit and the stock goes up a buck or 2, are we looking at 48 to 49,000,000 in shares Speaker 100:34:06as opposed to 46,000,000 to 47,000,000? Speaker 200:34:10What's the pay? Speaker 300:34:15I'm just trying to model here. Speaker 200:34:18So I'm sorry, let's see. So we've yes, we start well, the treasury shares were 4,300,000 at the beginning of the year, June 30, 2023. And so we have yes, we purchased 500,000 shares. So our treasury shares are now 4,800,000. Speaker 300:34:37Right. But the fully diluted shares finished the fiscal year at 49,100,000 and they're currently $47,000,000 ish. So that's a 2,000,000 share difference in reported shares outstanding on a 500,000 shares repurchased. I'm just wondering Yes, I think that dilution has to Speaker 200:34:56do with the fact there was a net loss in the quarter. Speaker 100:34:59Well, I think it has more to do that there's out of the money securities that wouldn't be counted in that share outstanding basis. I think that's the point you're getting at. Yes. Speaker 300:35:12Right. So I guess my question is in terms of modeling, if you swing to a profit, will that drive it back to 48,500,000 shares or is it something more to do with stock price? Speaker 200:35:22Well, yes, it will drive it back. Obviously, we'll recast calculations and as those numbers change, it's going to obviously impact the overall fully diluted shares of the calculation. So the answer is yes. Speaker 300:35:36Okay. Thank you for that. Congratulations. Hopefully this environment gets better soon and thank you for answering my questions. Speaker 200:35:43Thank you, Jeff. We appreciate your support. Operator00:35:48And we do have one last question from Mike Fuhrman from Newland Capital. Go ahead, Mike. Speaker 700:35:54Hey, guys. How are you doing? Speaker 100:35:56Good. Thanks. A couple of quick ones Speaker 700:35:59for you. Obviously, a lot of your competitors are we've seen a lot of reports are hurting pretty bad right now. And I believe some of your direct competitors do have a lot of leverage on them. They've been I think they're private equity. So have you seen any concern from their customers coming to you? Speaker 700:36:23Are you winning any new business? I guess what I'm getting to, are we going to come out of this stronger than we went into them? Forgetting about acquisitions, but just on the pure organic win basis. Speaker 100:36:40Well, so I don't want to take advantage of the softball you're throwing out there to talk negatively about our competitors. So I'm going to Speaker 700:36:52say I'm talking more positively about Speaker 100:36:58Yes. I think we are in a good relative position. Everybody's got their own set of constraints and their own strategies to address those issues. And we're going to do all we can to take advantage of the opportunity sets that come our way. And I can't I don't know what some of those I don't know what financial flexibility some of those folks have to go recapitalize their sheets or whether it's going to cause some other types of or create some other types of opportunities. Speaker 100:37:39I don't know and if I did, I wouldn't be in a position to say so anyway. Speaker 700:37:44Right. But Speaker 100:37:47your observations aren't we're kind of candidly, we're kind of curious as well to see kind of what's going to happen out there because we're certainly not having a lot of fun in this market, but we're kind of top of glass in my around the situation. So I don't Speaker 700:38:11envy On that topic, are you seeing more deals come to market, not necessarily ones that we would want, but are there more distressed companies shopping themselves around? That may or may not be interesting to us, but are you seeing more? Absolutely. Speaker 100:38:33And candidly, particularly on the truck brokerage side, right? A that's been a really tough place for folks. And we've certainly without any specifics, we certainly hear have heard and continue to hear there's quite a few folks out there that are just going kind of payroll to payroll trying to live to fight another day. There we've seen it underway and I think we're not done with the constructive destruction that's got to take place over on the trucking side of things in particular return some more rational pricing to the marketplace. Speaker 700:39:28Excellent. And then one last one for you. I know know over the past couple of years, we and I think we had peak earnings, I don't remember whether we did $70,000,000 $80,000,000 of EBITDA. Now we're down here. And you had always said, forget about the ups and downs, they're normalized to somewhere between, let's say, dollars 50,000,000 $60,000,000 I think you said, maybe if I remember correctly, somewhere in that area. Speaker 700:39:55Is that still a good bookmark? In normal time, we should be in that range and hopefully everything that we're doing during the downturn, bringing in some of the agents, maybe some acquisition, maybe that creeps up over time, but has anything changed in your mind to that normalized type EBITDA run rate for the company? Speaker 100:40:25No. I mean, I think the only thing that's changed is just this is the elongated nature of this slowdown. So the time that it is taking us all collectively to get back to that normal is being extended kind of beyond what people were expecting. But in terms of how we think about the business, the opportunity set, the strategies, they are areas of focus, none of that has changed. But probably what has not directly responsive to your question, but we were in some respects fortunate we didn't go do a lot of take all of our cash and go do a lot of M and A and pay higher multiples for businesses or go do a tender offer for a bunch of our stock at $6 $7 a share or whatever it was at the time, when we would get those questions from time to time. Speaker 100:41:38I'm really glad we didn't do those things because we were as cautious as we were, it just put us in a better situation or better position to some people are kind of burning the furniture and we're not at all doing that, right? We're continuing to invest in the business and continue to grow and focus on organic growth and salespeople and supporting our making good on our brand promise and supporting our agent stations and those conversions. So we are largely business as normal, notwithstanding the fact that this is a really tough one. Speaker 700:42:23All right. Excellent. Well, happy with the balance sheet, happy with the continuation of positive cash generation. So it will get better and you're doing a great job. Speaker 100:42:34Thanks guys. Thanks. Thank you. Operator00:42:40Thank you. That is our last question. I'd now like to turn it back to management for any closing remarks. Speaker 100:42:47Thank you. Let me close by saying that we remain optimistic about our prospects and opportunities to continue to leverage our best in class technology, robust North American footprint and extensive global network of service partners to continue to build on the great platform we've created here at Radient. At the same time, we intend to thoughtfully relever our balance sheet and through a combination of agestation conversions, synergistic tuck in acquisitions and stock buyback. Through our multi pronged approach of organic growth, acquisitions and buybacks, we believe we will continue to create meaningful value for our shareholders, operating partners and the end customers that we serve. Thanks for listening and your support of Radian Logistics. Operator00:43:37Thank you. This does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day.Read morePowered by