NASDAQ:TELA TELA Bio Q1 2024 Earnings Report $1.02 +0.02 (+2.00%) Closing price 05/2/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$1.06 +0.04 (+3.92%) As of 05/2/2025 07:45 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast TELA Bio EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.23Consensus EPS -$0.48Beat/MissBeat by +$0.25One Year Ago EPS-$0.63TELA Bio Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$16.60 millionExpected Revenue$15.90 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$700.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/ATELA Bio Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/9/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, May 9, 2024Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsTELA Bio's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, May 8, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 4:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by TELA Bio Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 9, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Tele Bio First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over Louisa Smith from the Gilmartin Group. Speaker 100:00:24Thank you, Michelle, and good afternoon, everyone. Earlier today, Telebio released financial results for the Q1 2024. A copy of the press release is available on the company's website. Joining me on today's call are Tony Koblish, President and Chief Executive Officer and Roberto Cuca, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that during this conference call, the company may make projections and forward looking statements regarding future events. Speaker 100:00:55We encourage you to review the company's past and future filings with the SEC, including without limitation, the company's annual report on Form 10 ks and quarterly reports on Form 10 Qs, which identify the specific factors that may cause actual results or events to differ materially from those described in these forward looking statements. These factors may include, without limitation, statements regarding product development and pipeline opportunities, product potential, the impact of various macroeconomic conditions identified in our filings, the regulatory environment, sales and marketing strategies, capital resources or operating performance. With that, I will now turn the call over to Tony. Speaker 200:01:42Thank you, Louisa, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us for Telebio's Q1 2024 earnings call. In this call, I'd like to highlight some critical milestones we hit in the quarter as well as update you on our continued strategic progress and ongoing growth opportunities. We've started the year off strong. 1st quarter revenue was $16,600,000 representing 39% growth over the same period in 2023 and our 13th consecutive quarter with growth of 35% or greater. Speaker 200:02:16We are capitalizing on the considerable momentum we generated in the 4th quarter and our business is firing on all cylinders. As you will hear today, we are benefiting from the recent enhancements to our commercial team in addition to some key product launches that will enable us to drive significant growth through the remainder of the year. In April, we launched OVATEX IHR, a trocar compatible next generation soft tissue repair platform designed for inguinal hernias, specifically for the use in laparoscopic and robotic assisted procedures. Just like our other OVATEX devices, OVATEX IHR utilizes layers of ovine or sheep room and embroidered with just enough polymer suture to provide additional strength and performance. All OVERTEX devices are designed to leverage a patient's natural healing response, facilitate tissue remodeling, optimize strength and minimize the foreign body footprint of synthetic polymer. Speaker 200:03:14IHR is available in 3 configurations and will complement our existing product portfolio and allow further penetration into the inguinal market, which has traditionally been dominated by permanent synthetic meshes. The initial response has been phenomenal with the debuts of the product at 2 recent industry events, the Intuitive Surgical Connect meeting and at the Society of American Gastrointestinal and Endoscopic Surgeons, more commonly known as SAGES. There are now 35 published or presented works demonstrating OvaTax's clinical efficacy in hernia repair. This includes a study led by Doctor. Paul Zotek exhibiting a low recurrence rate of 1.2 percent across 259 patients who underwent robotic inguinal hernia TAP repair using the rebar technique with an average follow-up of 1.5 years. Speaker 200:04:06Our medical training efforts are as robust as ever. In Q1, we educated more than 2 50 surgeons globally through telebio labs and other peer to peer training with an emphasis on the use of OVA text in minimally invasive robotic cases. This includes comprehensive surgeon VIP visits to our Malvern headquarters, experiences at several of our 14 case observation sites, cadaver labs in the U. S. And Europe and various other educational sessions. Speaker 200:04:36We also have a very busy schedule industry and society meetings. Through March of this year, in the U. S, we engage with surgeons at 25 industry or society meetings focusing on hernia, plastic and reconstructive surgery, abdominal trauma and GPO purchasing organizations. In April, we had tremendous success at the annual Intuitive Connect meeting where they launched their da Vinci 5 platform and we were only one of 3 invited companies who provide mesh for hernia surgery. Our invitation to this meeting was a pivotal milestone in further demonstrating our credibility and growing leadership in the robotic space. Speaker 200:05:15At the meeting, we had exposure to nearly 1800 surgeons and saw tremendous interest in both Liquifix and OvaTek's IHR. Feedback from surgeon follow-up indicates surgeons who attended were impressed by TELUS prominent presence at the meeting. I am also very pleased to announce that in the first half of May, we reached the major implantation milestones. Over 50,000 units of Ovatex have been used in hernia and complex ab wall procedures with 10,000 ovatex PRS used in plastic and reconstructive surgery procedures. PRS now accounts for more than a third of TELUS sales and its revenue grew 54% over the prior year. Speaker 200:05:55Of note, the long term resorbable configuration of PRS, which launched in mid-twenty 23 has shown has grown significantly and now makes up 55% of the PRS portfolio. Further highlighting TELUS commitment to PRS and the opportunity it represents, on April 1, we welcomed Doctor. Howard Langstein, the former Chief of Plastic Reconstructive Surgery at the University of Rochester Medical Center as TELA's Vice President of Medical Affairs and Surgeon Strategy. He joins TELA as a member of a strategic team driving awareness of the clinical benefits of TELA's products with surgeons and hospital administrators in the plastic and reconstructive space. On last quarter's call, we were coming to you from our national sales meeting where we launched the Liquifix suite of products in the U. Speaker 200:06:43S, including both the Liquifix Fix 8 Laparoscopic and Liquifix Precision Open Hernia Mesh Fixation Devices. These products allow for precise mesh fixation while eliminating the risk of mechanical tissue damage from alternative fixation methods such as tacks, sutures or staples. They are the only FDA approved PMA liquid adhesive devices for use in affixing polypropylene and polyester mesh in inguinal and femoral hernia procedures and for approximating the peritoneum. The sales force received hands on certification for the products at the National Sales Meeting and we have seen tremendous interest at industry meetings since then. To date, over 87 surgeons have been trained on Liquifix and the product represents yet another addition to our complementary suite of products that elevate Tela to top of mind within the surgeon's choice of offerings. Speaker 200:07:38We are driving awareness and expanding market share with the reach of our portfolio and are committed to offering premier products in the surgeon preference driven markets of hernia repair and plastic reconstructive surgery. I'll now turn the call over to Roberto for an overview of our financials. Thanks, Tony. Speaker 300:07:57As Tony mentioned earlier, revenue for the Q1 2024 grew 39% year over year to $16,600,000 with OVA text growing 31% and OVA text PRS growing 54% in the period. These increases were primarily due to an increase in unit sales of our products and the continued expansion of our commercial organization. Each of these resulted in increased penetration of our existing customer accounts as well as the addition of new customers. Gross margin was 68% for the Q1 compared to 66% in the prior year period. The increase was primarily due to lower charges for excess NOx lead inventory as a percentage of revenue as a result of improvements in our inventory management during the quarter. Speaker 300:08:41Sales and marketing expense was $17,500,000 in the Q1 of 2024 compared to $13,500,000 in the same period in 2023. This increase was mainly due to higher compensation costs as a result of the expansion of our commercial organization, higher travel and consulting expenses and additional employee related costs due to increased headcount. General and administrative expense was $3,800,000 compared to $3,600,000 in the same period in 2023. This was driven by higher employee related costs as a result of headcount increases offset by decreases in bad debt expense and insurance expense. R and D expense was $2,400,000 in the Q1 compared to $2,100,000 in the prior year, primarily due to higher compensation due to an increase in employees as well as higher costs related to pre IDE activities for OVAX TRS and outside development of new devices. Speaker 300:09:37Loss from operations was $4,800,000 in the Q1 of 2024 compared to $11,300,000 in the prior year period. The decrease is driven by the recognition of a one time gain of $7,600,000 from the sale of certain assets related to the NIVUS fibular collagen pack device to mimetics in March 2024. This recognition is subject to adjustment in future periods as we assess our variable consideration from the transaction. Net loss was $5,700,000 in the Q1 of 2024 compared to $12,000,000 in the same period in 2023. We ended the Q1 with $37,100,000 in cash and cash equivalents. Speaker 300:10:16Turning to the outlook for 2024. We now project revenue for the full year to be in the range of $74,500,000 to $76,500,000 representing growth of 27% to 31 percent from the prior year. Following the strong Q1 and continued positive dynamics in the market, we feel comfortable in increasing our guidance range as our products continue to win market share. As we have said in the past, we expect operating loss and net loss to be less in 2024 than in 2023, even excluding the contribution from the divestiture of Nidus. Moreover, we expect operating expenses to be reasonably steady over the course of the year, notwithstanding some typical seasonality in expense. Speaker 300:10:58And since we expect revenue to grow sequentially, both operating loss and net loss should decline over the course of the year, again excluding the contribution from the divestiture of Navis. We continue to expect that Speaker 200:11:09our cash and cash equivalents will be sufficient to Speaker 300:11:11fund us to profitability. With that, I'll hand the call back to Tony for closing remarks. Speaker 200:11:16Thanks. Thanks, Roberto, and thank you everyone for tuning in this afternoon. I'm excited by the progress the team has made in the Q1 and we are just getting started. We have reached the point where we are able to compete with even the largest competitors in our space. We have a well trained, experienced direct sales force and highly competitive products backed with exceptional data. Speaker 200:11:38Our data on the performance of our products is outstanding and we continue to collect more. TELUS is in a strong financial position and we fully expect to take share for years to come. I am excited by the greenfield opportunity with IHR and the potential for Liquofix to open doors that were previously closed to us. So in closing, I'd like to thank our team for their continued commitment to our mission and their relentless focus on driving growth. We are on the precipice of great things here at TELA and I'm eager to deliver on a year of strong top line growth and solid operational execution. Speaker 200:12:11With that, I'll now ask Michelle to open the line for your questions. Operator00:12:16Thank Our first question is going to come from the line of Frank Kakinen with Lake Street Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:12:40Great. Thanks for taking the questions. Congrats on the solid start to the year. I was hoping to start with asking about sequential expectations. I know in previous calls and years you've talked about Q2 being a seasonally strong quarter. Speaker 400:12:52I think there's some particular excitement around that going into it with a fully staffed selling organization, IHR and a couple of other factors. How should we be thinking about all these things and what it can translate into a sequential growth standpoint? Speaker 300:13:07So, historically, we have had sequential growth from quarter to quarter. And as Tony has pointed out, there tends to be a fairly healthy step up from the 1st to the second quarters. If you were to look at the historical data and adjust for the hiccup we had in the Q3 of last year, so maybe look at 2022, a progression like that in revenue was something that we would expect. And as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we do expect OpEx to be fairly steady over the course of the year such that, that step up in revenue will drop down to the bottom line in the form of improved operating income. Speaker 400:13:44Okay, perfect. And then maybe for my second one, I know there's been some development related to the synthetic mesh lawsuit out there. It seems like there's kind of May 24 decision day. I'm not going to ask you to speculate on the outcome of that, but maybe help us think through how some of those potential outcomes could impact your business? Speaker 200:14:05Well, that's the greatest hidden secret I think out there. But yes, there was a notice put out by one of the law firms that there has been a date set for some kind of mediation or arbitration, something like that. So we're obviously keeping a very close eye on it. We have a communication plan at the ready in case this breaks one way or the other. I think for us to really understand what it means, we'll have to understand what it looks like in the end, right? Speaker 200:14:38And then we'll be able to sort of game plan for some of the eventual knock on effects that come after that. But our position is clear and consistent from the beginning, right? We are a natural repair product. We founded this company with the mission of getting permanent plastic out of people's bellies for hernia repair as much as possible, as much as it makes sense to. We focused on products that are natural and their remodeling process are soft and do minimal damage even if they have to come out at some point. Speaker 200:15:12Those are the basic tenants that we built the company around. And by and large, we've delivered on that. We have superb clinical data, our recurrence rate in these simple inguinals, ventrals, etcetera, where there has been a problem that the litigation is pointing out, our recurrence rate is in the very, very low single digits. And so I think we are delivering on that promise. I think putting polypropylene plastic into people's bellies is not going to last forever. Speaker 200:15:41It's going to come to an end at some point. And there's very few players and products that are as well positioned as we are to be an excellent alternative. The addition of the IHR product and the Liquifix gives us a broad product portfolio now that can do any of the procedures done with any polypropylene product in any setting with any technique robots, laparoscopic, open, you name it. So we look forward to being able to help surgeons help patients in the continuing future and keep going on our mission, which has been the original mission of the company. And I'll just add Speaker 300:16:22a little bit of detail, which is that this was a notice in the federal MDL multi district litigation focused in Ohio. It wasn't the Rhode Island cases, which are state cases. It was a notice that said that the next case in that MDL litigation was postponed and the parties were sent to mediation with a deadline later in May, the deadline presumably can be extended and one would think that Bard, that convicted some of the defendant would want to try and settle both the MDL cases and the Rhode Island State cases at the same time. That can be tricky to sync up. So it is pretty unpredictable, but the notice just did get us to finalize our plans in response to any potential settlements, which will be driven in large part by what Becton Dickinson does post the settlement. Speaker 400:17:20Got it. That's helpful color. I'll stop there. Thanks guys. Thanks Frank. Operator00:17:24Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Caitlin Cronin with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:17:37Hey, thanks for taking my questions. Just to start off, my first question is on productivity. How is that trending, including your initiatives for balance selling and how do you feel about the bolus of reps that you brought on at the end of 2023? Speaker 200:17:54Yes. I mean, we feel very good about the bolus of new reps and we've enhanced our training program significantly and we're going to continue to enhance that training program almost to the point of perpetual training so that we have the best trained team in the marketplace. We feel pretty good about the balance selling. There's already been an uptick in PRS as it relates to a percentage of sales. I think we were running about 30% of top line with PRS and I believe now in Q1 we were about 35%, 36%. Speaker 200:18:30So I think that's the beginning of what we're starting to see in terms of a balanced selling approach. So we're still finding our legs with this, but overall I we're off to a good start. And we started the year with a front loaded sales force, right? So last year and the year before, we were hiring, which made forecasting the exact number of reps at any point in time along with productivity a little more difficult. Here we're front loaded. Speaker 200:18:58We've got the full team in place for the full year. So it should allow us to focus on things like training and execution, which will result in more confidence and success in the productivity. Speaker 300:19:10And one of the metrics we talk about is the time it takes for new reps to get to breakeven. And we have seen with the latest cohorts of new reps for which we have these data that it is still running at a bit under 6 months for new reps on average to get to paying for their own variable costs. Speaker 500:19:29Awesome. And then how do you feel about cash burn this quarter and how you expect that to trend throughout the year? Speaker 300:19:38Sure. So as I described from a P and L perspective, we do expect OpEx to be reasonably steady over the course of the year and revenue to grow on top of that such that again, P and L metrics of profitability will get will improve steadily over the course of the year, ignoring the contribution from Nivus, which makes them better for the full year. There is some seasonality to our cash flows since we tend to buy additional inventory in the Q1 and we pay out bonuses towards the Q4. So if you overlay that sort of natural seasonality on top of that P and L progression, we feel comfortable with cash burn and the way that cash is going to progress over the course of the year. Speaker 500:20:25Great. Thanks so much. Speaker 300:20:27Thanks, Caitlin. Operator00:20:29Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Michael Sarcone with Jefferies. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:20:40Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. Speaker 300:20:44Thanks, Michael. Speaker 600:20:46Just to start, do you think maybe you can talk about, how you're thinking about IHR contribution for this year and maybe what you've got based into 2020 4 guidance? Speaker 300:21:00So there are 2 dimensions to the IHR contribution for the year. So the first is, just as a reminder, we're already a participant in inguinal hernia repairs. We do have products that are currently used, even in robotic going down trocars. Roughly about 16% of our revenue is previously was in inguinal hernia repairs. So we expect that IHR will have fairly quick pickup uptake amongst the surgeons who are already doing inguinal hernia repairs using our products. Speaker 300:21:30In addition, there's a lot of greenfield opportunity, as Tony mentioned, to introduce the product to physicians who are maybe using synthetic meshes and are familiar with our products, but wanted something a little bit more targeted for inguinal repairs. And so we expect to see some pickup from that as well. So we haven't quantified that exactly and what the breakout of that in the $74,500,000 to $76,500,000 for the year is, but we do expect it to be a noticeable contribution to that amount. Speaker 200:22:04Yes. I'll add to that, Michael. We're off to a good start, just a couple of weeks. We've got well over 50 implantations, which is great. And we're thinking about this, as Roberto said, but really a forward and backwards integration, right? Speaker 200:22:19So this will allow us to get to new customers, which will elevate the rest of our product portfolio in ventral and complex ventral. But we started off in complex ventral and then more simple ventral. And a lot of those surgeons don't use us for Inguinal. So I think reversing that, our customers that are solid on the ventral side and the complex side, I think are going to take a good hard look at us and adopt our product on the inguinal side. So it gives us that complete product portfolio. Speaker 200:22:51I like the fact that it gives us mindshare, routine usage capability, shelf space. And with the addition of LiquiFix, it gives us complete parity with our largest competitors, right? We have a very novel atraumatic fixation system that we think offers significant advantages compared to tackers. And now we've got a full range to go after the whole suite of procedures. Speaker 600:23:17Got it. That's really helpful. Thank you. And just second one, could you maybe just give us an update on your GPO contracts and how you're ramping there? Speaker 200:23:27Yes. So it remains the big three contracts that we have in place. Our revenue contribution from all the various GPOs, even the smaller ones and the big three is approximately 60%. We think it's going to grow up to 70% in the near future. We're certainly on track for that. Speaker 200:23:46We're continually getting access via IDN supply chain and by smaller GPOs. And we are active in terms of looking at getting the next large GPOs. We're very confident that we're going to get them all. The large GPOs, I think their bid requests aren't due until much later this year. So it might be more of a year event. Speaker 200:24:10But rest assured, we're very confident in our ability to continue to sell within the IDN framework, which represents over 40% of our sales today and has been very consistent. So we've also had great success in getting IHR on our existing contracts as a line extension. And we're actually starting to see some success with Liquifix as a new technology. That's going to take a little more time to get contracts for Liquifix. But the new technology designation, which we seem to be getting in certain places, is going to help us speed that up as well. Speaker 200:24:44So everything on the GPO front is looking very positive. Speaker 600:24:48Great. Thank you. Speaker 300:24:50Thanks, Michael. Operator00:24:53Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Matthew O'Brien with Piper Sandler. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:25:06Great. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe for starters, just the Q1 result was quite good. Guidance for the year is well below what you just delivered in Q1. And I know there's a comp dynamic to think about. Speaker 700:25:18But with all these different growth metrics or growth drivers that we're seeing out there, I guess, why not raise the guidance range a little bit even higher versus what you did and then kind of what you've been doing over the last couple of years? Speaker 300:25:36Sure. Thanks for the question, Matt. We approached our guidance this year as a commitment to our investors. So we are going to hit these numbers and we put the guidance range where we felt very confident that that was doable given what we know. Understanding that as we learn more over the course the year, quarter by quarter, and if we felt more comfortable, we would increase it to reflect that. Speaker 300:25:58So, we did do well compared to consensus this quarter. We raised the range by a bit more than that. Part of the dynamic is what sort of fractions we can use and what sort of numbers. But we feel comfortable about the slightly raised range. And as we get more data under our belts, we will reconsider the range going forward. Speaker 700:26:24Okay, understood. And then Tony, you've been talking about really strong training for quite a while. And I'm just wondering when we're going to start to see a little bit more of this inflection point in terms of utilization. I mean, I know you're growing really well, but this is a massive market that you're going after. What do you think is needed? Speaker 700:26:43Got all the data. You've got great products, indications. What's needed to really see this influx from here? Thanks. Speaker 200:26:51Well, I call it the quasi parity, right? So if you look at our history, right, we had no capital until the end of 2019, as you know. So commercialization really started in earnest in 2020. And we did well for 2 or 3 years, but we were hampered in building out our infrastructure due to the COVID start. But we grew crazy good even through that. Speaker 200:27:19But to be successful in this market, parity in terms of sales force size roughly, parity in GPO access roughly, parity in terms of product portfolio capability across all types of procedures roughly, right? I mean, we haven't had all of that in place until now, right? What we had was excellent proof of concepts, great data, a very good mission that I think is well understood and appreciated by patients and some surgeons. And I think more and more surgeons are getting interested in our mission. So I think it's I think what you're seeing is your surgeons tend to be slower conservative adopters, which I think you want them to be. Speaker 200:28:04They want to prove things out first before they jump in. But we are a company that started with 0 on the ground, right, nothing. And so it's taken us time to methodically build this quasi parity with the big players. And I think we can go toe to toe now starting now, at the start of this year. So I think this is the next phase of our evolution in growth, Matt. Speaker 700:28:33Got it. Thanks so much. Operator00:28:38Thank you. And one moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of David Turkaly with Citizens JMP. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:28:58Hey, good evening guys. Tony, I might have missed it. Did you say and I know sales force expansion is not a big part of this year, but are you still at 86 reps and 6 assistant reps? Speaker 300:29:10We are at 87 reps and 7 associate reps. Speaker 200:29:14Yes. Now we're very consistent from last time, Dave. Speaker 800:29:19Got it. And then you mentioned the Intuitive meeting and your commentary about some further penetration in existing accounts and adding some new. I'm just curious if there's anything tangible you could leave us with, maybe even in terms of new accounts, because that sort of seems like it would be a great opportunity for you guys to scope out some new surgeons. And I don't know if there's any quantifiable number you could give us, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on that meeting. Speaker 200:29:49Yes. I mean, meeting was great for us. I mean, for a short meeting, we had over well over 70 really solid validated leads, a lot there's a very nice percentage of those have already turned into cases or case commitments. It felt like we were part of the ecosystem, right? I always say Intuitive Surgical is the apple of medtech in our time. Speaker 200:30:16And they only pick the best partners to go into their application store. And I felt like being in that app store was a big deal for us. We never take it for granted. We appreciate it immensely. And I think it's going to do good things for us, right? Speaker 200:30:32It's going to open up the world to seeing us who we are. A lot of the surgeons were seeing us for the first time. So that kind of thing takes time, but the Connect meeting was an excellent, excellent start. And we want to do more of those. I think the case observation sites is something that's also very, very good. Speaker 200:30:56We've got many, many robotic surgeons that are now opening up their ORs for surgeons to come in and take a look. And that's great for the robot and it's great for over tax So I think I always think that Intuitive maybe the giga GPO that sits on top of all the other GPOs, right? We want to make sure that everything we do is in good standing with them and that we focus on our compatibility with the surgeons who use the products, so the robot. So I think we're slowly attaining that, Dave. It's nothing but good. Speaker 800:31:37Great. Thank you. Speaker 400:31:39Thanks Dave. Operator00:31:40Thank you. And I'm showing no further questions at this time. And I'd like to hand the conference back over to Tony Koplish for any further remarks. Speaker 200:31:49Thank you, Michelle, and thank you everyone for joining us. We appreciate your continued interest in TeleBio. Have a great rest of your evening. Thank you. Operator00:31:59This concludes today's conference call. 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The company provides a portfolio of OviTex Reinforced Tissue Matrix (OviTex) products for hernia repair and abdominal wall reconstruction; and OviTex PRS Reinforced Tissue Matrix products to address the unmet needs in plastic and reconstructive surgery, as well as OviTex for Laparoscopic and Robotic Procedures, a sterile reinforced tissue matrix derived from ovine rumen with polypropylene fiber intended to be used in laparoscopic and robotic-assisted hernia surgical repairs. It markets its products through a single direct sales force, principally in the United States. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Tele Bio First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over Louisa Smith from the Gilmartin Group. Speaker 100:00:24Thank you, Michelle, and good afternoon, everyone. Earlier today, Telebio released financial results for the Q1 2024. A copy of the press release is available on the company's website. Joining me on today's call are Tony Koblish, President and Chief Executive Officer and Roberto Cuca, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that during this conference call, the company may make projections and forward looking statements regarding future events. Speaker 100:00:55We encourage you to review the company's past and future filings with the SEC, including without limitation, the company's annual report on Form 10 ks and quarterly reports on Form 10 Qs, which identify the specific factors that may cause actual results or events to differ materially from those described in these forward looking statements. These factors may include, without limitation, statements regarding product development and pipeline opportunities, product potential, the impact of various macroeconomic conditions identified in our filings, the regulatory environment, sales and marketing strategies, capital resources or operating performance. With that, I will now turn the call over to Tony. Speaker 200:01:42Thank you, Louisa, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us for Telebio's Q1 2024 earnings call. In this call, I'd like to highlight some critical milestones we hit in the quarter as well as update you on our continued strategic progress and ongoing growth opportunities. We've started the year off strong. 1st quarter revenue was $16,600,000 representing 39% growth over the same period in 2023 and our 13th consecutive quarter with growth of 35% or greater. Speaker 200:02:16We are capitalizing on the considerable momentum we generated in the 4th quarter and our business is firing on all cylinders. As you will hear today, we are benefiting from the recent enhancements to our commercial team in addition to some key product launches that will enable us to drive significant growth through the remainder of the year. In April, we launched OVATEX IHR, a trocar compatible next generation soft tissue repair platform designed for inguinal hernias, specifically for the use in laparoscopic and robotic assisted procedures. Just like our other OVATEX devices, OVATEX IHR utilizes layers of ovine or sheep room and embroidered with just enough polymer suture to provide additional strength and performance. All OVERTEX devices are designed to leverage a patient's natural healing response, facilitate tissue remodeling, optimize strength and minimize the foreign body footprint of synthetic polymer. Speaker 200:03:14IHR is available in 3 configurations and will complement our existing product portfolio and allow further penetration into the inguinal market, which has traditionally been dominated by permanent synthetic meshes. The initial response has been phenomenal with the debuts of the product at 2 recent industry events, the Intuitive Surgical Connect meeting and at the Society of American Gastrointestinal and Endoscopic Surgeons, more commonly known as SAGES. There are now 35 published or presented works demonstrating OvaTax's clinical efficacy in hernia repair. This includes a study led by Doctor. Paul Zotek exhibiting a low recurrence rate of 1.2 percent across 259 patients who underwent robotic inguinal hernia TAP repair using the rebar technique with an average follow-up of 1.5 years. Speaker 200:04:06Our medical training efforts are as robust as ever. In Q1, we educated more than 2 50 surgeons globally through telebio labs and other peer to peer training with an emphasis on the use of OVA text in minimally invasive robotic cases. This includes comprehensive surgeon VIP visits to our Malvern headquarters, experiences at several of our 14 case observation sites, cadaver labs in the U. S. And Europe and various other educational sessions. Speaker 200:04:36We also have a very busy schedule industry and society meetings. Through March of this year, in the U. S, we engage with surgeons at 25 industry or society meetings focusing on hernia, plastic and reconstructive surgery, abdominal trauma and GPO purchasing organizations. In April, we had tremendous success at the annual Intuitive Connect meeting where they launched their da Vinci 5 platform and we were only one of 3 invited companies who provide mesh for hernia surgery. Our invitation to this meeting was a pivotal milestone in further demonstrating our credibility and growing leadership in the robotic space. Speaker 200:05:15At the meeting, we had exposure to nearly 1800 surgeons and saw tremendous interest in both Liquifix and OvaTek's IHR. Feedback from surgeon follow-up indicates surgeons who attended were impressed by TELUS prominent presence at the meeting. I am also very pleased to announce that in the first half of May, we reached the major implantation milestones. Over 50,000 units of Ovatex have been used in hernia and complex ab wall procedures with 10,000 ovatex PRS used in plastic and reconstructive surgery procedures. PRS now accounts for more than a third of TELUS sales and its revenue grew 54% over the prior year. Speaker 200:05:55Of note, the long term resorbable configuration of PRS, which launched in mid-twenty 23 has shown has grown significantly and now makes up 55% of the PRS portfolio. Further highlighting TELUS commitment to PRS and the opportunity it represents, on April 1, we welcomed Doctor. Howard Langstein, the former Chief of Plastic Reconstructive Surgery at the University of Rochester Medical Center as TELA's Vice President of Medical Affairs and Surgeon Strategy. He joins TELA as a member of a strategic team driving awareness of the clinical benefits of TELA's products with surgeons and hospital administrators in the plastic and reconstructive space. On last quarter's call, we were coming to you from our national sales meeting where we launched the Liquifix suite of products in the U. Speaker 200:06:43S, including both the Liquifix Fix 8 Laparoscopic and Liquifix Precision Open Hernia Mesh Fixation Devices. These products allow for precise mesh fixation while eliminating the risk of mechanical tissue damage from alternative fixation methods such as tacks, sutures or staples. They are the only FDA approved PMA liquid adhesive devices for use in affixing polypropylene and polyester mesh in inguinal and femoral hernia procedures and for approximating the peritoneum. The sales force received hands on certification for the products at the National Sales Meeting and we have seen tremendous interest at industry meetings since then. To date, over 87 surgeons have been trained on Liquifix and the product represents yet another addition to our complementary suite of products that elevate Tela to top of mind within the surgeon's choice of offerings. Speaker 200:07:38We are driving awareness and expanding market share with the reach of our portfolio and are committed to offering premier products in the surgeon preference driven markets of hernia repair and plastic reconstructive surgery. I'll now turn the call over to Roberto for an overview of our financials. Thanks, Tony. Speaker 300:07:57As Tony mentioned earlier, revenue for the Q1 2024 grew 39% year over year to $16,600,000 with OVA text growing 31% and OVA text PRS growing 54% in the period. These increases were primarily due to an increase in unit sales of our products and the continued expansion of our commercial organization. Each of these resulted in increased penetration of our existing customer accounts as well as the addition of new customers. Gross margin was 68% for the Q1 compared to 66% in the prior year period. The increase was primarily due to lower charges for excess NOx lead inventory as a percentage of revenue as a result of improvements in our inventory management during the quarter. Speaker 300:08:41Sales and marketing expense was $17,500,000 in the Q1 of 2024 compared to $13,500,000 in the same period in 2023. This increase was mainly due to higher compensation costs as a result of the expansion of our commercial organization, higher travel and consulting expenses and additional employee related costs due to increased headcount. General and administrative expense was $3,800,000 compared to $3,600,000 in the same period in 2023. This was driven by higher employee related costs as a result of headcount increases offset by decreases in bad debt expense and insurance expense. R and D expense was $2,400,000 in the Q1 compared to $2,100,000 in the prior year, primarily due to higher compensation due to an increase in employees as well as higher costs related to pre IDE activities for OVAX TRS and outside development of new devices. Speaker 300:09:37Loss from operations was $4,800,000 in the Q1 of 2024 compared to $11,300,000 in the prior year period. The decrease is driven by the recognition of a one time gain of $7,600,000 from the sale of certain assets related to the NIVUS fibular collagen pack device to mimetics in March 2024. This recognition is subject to adjustment in future periods as we assess our variable consideration from the transaction. Net loss was $5,700,000 in the Q1 of 2024 compared to $12,000,000 in the same period in 2023. We ended the Q1 with $37,100,000 in cash and cash equivalents. Speaker 300:10:16Turning to the outlook for 2024. We now project revenue for the full year to be in the range of $74,500,000 to $76,500,000 representing growth of 27% to 31 percent from the prior year. Following the strong Q1 and continued positive dynamics in the market, we feel comfortable in increasing our guidance range as our products continue to win market share. As we have said in the past, we expect operating loss and net loss to be less in 2024 than in 2023, even excluding the contribution from the divestiture of Nidus. Moreover, we expect operating expenses to be reasonably steady over the course of the year, notwithstanding some typical seasonality in expense. Speaker 300:10:58And since we expect revenue to grow sequentially, both operating loss and net loss should decline over the course of the year, again excluding the contribution from the divestiture of Navis. We continue to expect that Speaker 200:11:09our cash and cash equivalents will be sufficient to Speaker 300:11:11fund us to profitability. With that, I'll hand the call back to Tony for closing remarks. Speaker 200:11:16Thanks. Thanks, Roberto, and thank you everyone for tuning in this afternoon. I'm excited by the progress the team has made in the Q1 and we are just getting started. We have reached the point where we are able to compete with even the largest competitors in our space. We have a well trained, experienced direct sales force and highly competitive products backed with exceptional data. Speaker 200:11:38Our data on the performance of our products is outstanding and we continue to collect more. TELUS is in a strong financial position and we fully expect to take share for years to come. I am excited by the greenfield opportunity with IHR and the potential for Liquofix to open doors that were previously closed to us. So in closing, I'd like to thank our team for their continued commitment to our mission and their relentless focus on driving growth. We are on the precipice of great things here at TELA and I'm eager to deliver on a year of strong top line growth and solid operational execution. Speaker 200:12:11With that, I'll now ask Michelle to open the line for your questions. Operator00:12:16Thank Our first question is going to come from the line of Frank Kakinen with Lake Street Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:12:40Great. Thanks for taking the questions. Congrats on the solid start to the year. I was hoping to start with asking about sequential expectations. I know in previous calls and years you've talked about Q2 being a seasonally strong quarter. Speaker 400:12:52I think there's some particular excitement around that going into it with a fully staffed selling organization, IHR and a couple of other factors. How should we be thinking about all these things and what it can translate into a sequential growth standpoint? Speaker 300:13:07So, historically, we have had sequential growth from quarter to quarter. And as Tony has pointed out, there tends to be a fairly healthy step up from the 1st to the second quarters. If you were to look at the historical data and adjust for the hiccup we had in the Q3 of last year, so maybe look at 2022, a progression like that in revenue was something that we would expect. And as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we do expect OpEx to be fairly steady over the course of the year such that, that step up in revenue will drop down to the bottom line in the form of improved operating income. Speaker 400:13:44Okay, perfect. And then maybe for my second one, I know there's been some development related to the synthetic mesh lawsuit out there. It seems like there's kind of May 24 decision day. I'm not going to ask you to speculate on the outcome of that, but maybe help us think through how some of those potential outcomes could impact your business? Speaker 200:14:05Well, that's the greatest hidden secret I think out there. But yes, there was a notice put out by one of the law firms that there has been a date set for some kind of mediation or arbitration, something like that. So we're obviously keeping a very close eye on it. We have a communication plan at the ready in case this breaks one way or the other. I think for us to really understand what it means, we'll have to understand what it looks like in the end, right? Speaker 200:14:38And then we'll be able to sort of game plan for some of the eventual knock on effects that come after that. But our position is clear and consistent from the beginning, right? We are a natural repair product. We founded this company with the mission of getting permanent plastic out of people's bellies for hernia repair as much as possible, as much as it makes sense to. We focused on products that are natural and their remodeling process are soft and do minimal damage even if they have to come out at some point. Speaker 200:15:12Those are the basic tenants that we built the company around. And by and large, we've delivered on that. We have superb clinical data, our recurrence rate in these simple inguinals, ventrals, etcetera, where there has been a problem that the litigation is pointing out, our recurrence rate is in the very, very low single digits. And so I think we are delivering on that promise. I think putting polypropylene plastic into people's bellies is not going to last forever. Speaker 200:15:41It's going to come to an end at some point. And there's very few players and products that are as well positioned as we are to be an excellent alternative. The addition of the IHR product and the Liquifix gives us a broad product portfolio now that can do any of the procedures done with any polypropylene product in any setting with any technique robots, laparoscopic, open, you name it. So we look forward to being able to help surgeons help patients in the continuing future and keep going on our mission, which has been the original mission of the company. And I'll just add Speaker 300:16:22a little bit of detail, which is that this was a notice in the federal MDL multi district litigation focused in Ohio. It wasn't the Rhode Island cases, which are state cases. It was a notice that said that the next case in that MDL litigation was postponed and the parties were sent to mediation with a deadline later in May, the deadline presumably can be extended and one would think that Bard, that convicted some of the defendant would want to try and settle both the MDL cases and the Rhode Island State cases at the same time. That can be tricky to sync up. So it is pretty unpredictable, but the notice just did get us to finalize our plans in response to any potential settlements, which will be driven in large part by what Becton Dickinson does post the settlement. Speaker 400:17:20Got it. That's helpful color. I'll stop there. Thanks guys. Thanks Frank. Operator00:17:24Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Caitlin Cronin with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:17:37Hey, thanks for taking my questions. Just to start off, my first question is on productivity. How is that trending, including your initiatives for balance selling and how do you feel about the bolus of reps that you brought on at the end of 2023? Speaker 200:17:54Yes. I mean, we feel very good about the bolus of new reps and we've enhanced our training program significantly and we're going to continue to enhance that training program almost to the point of perpetual training so that we have the best trained team in the marketplace. We feel pretty good about the balance selling. There's already been an uptick in PRS as it relates to a percentage of sales. I think we were running about 30% of top line with PRS and I believe now in Q1 we were about 35%, 36%. Speaker 200:18:30So I think that's the beginning of what we're starting to see in terms of a balanced selling approach. So we're still finding our legs with this, but overall I we're off to a good start. And we started the year with a front loaded sales force, right? So last year and the year before, we were hiring, which made forecasting the exact number of reps at any point in time along with productivity a little more difficult. Here we're front loaded. Speaker 200:18:58We've got the full team in place for the full year. So it should allow us to focus on things like training and execution, which will result in more confidence and success in the productivity. Speaker 300:19:10And one of the metrics we talk about is the time it takes for new reps to get to breakeven. And we have seen with the latest cohorts of new reps for which we have these data that it is still running at a bit under 6 months for new reps on average to get to paying for their own variable costs. Speaker 500:19:29Awesome. And then how do you feel about cash burn this quarter and how you expect that to trend throughout the year? Speaker 300:19:38Sure. So as I described from a P and L perspective, we do expect OpEx to be reasonably steady over the course of the year and revenue to grow on top of that such that again, P and L metrics of profitability will get will improve steadily over the course of the year, ignoring the contribution from Nivus, which makes them better for the full year. There is some seasonality to our cash flows since we tend to buy additional inventory in the Q1 and we pay out bonuses towards the Q4. So if you overlay that sort of natural seasonality on top of that P and L progression, we feel comfortable with cash burn and the way that cash is going to progress over the course of the year. Speaker 500:20:25Great. Thanks so much. Speaker 300:20:27Thanks, Caitlin. Operator00:20:29Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Michael Sarcone with Jefferies. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:20:40Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. Speaker 300:20:44Thanks, Michael. Speaker 600:20:46Just to start, do you think maybe you can talk about, how you're thinking about IHR contribution for this year and maybe what you've got based into 2020 4 guidance? Speaker 300:21:00So there are 2 dimensions to the IHR contribution for the year. So the first is, just as a reminder, we're already a participant in inguinal hernia repairs. We do have products that are currently used, even in robotic going down trocars. Roughly about 16% of our revenue is previously was in inguinal hernia repairs. So we expect that IHR will have fairly quick pickup uptake amongst the surgeons who are already doing inguinal hernia repairs using our products. Speaker 300:21:30In addition, there's a lot of greenfield opportunity, as Tony mentioned, to introduce the product to physicians who are maybe using synthetic meshes and are familiar with our products, but wanted something a little bit more targeted for inguinal repairs. And so we expect to see some pickup from that as well. So we haven't quantified that exactly and what the breakout of that in the $74,500,000 to $76,500,000 for the year is, but we do expect it to be a noticeable contribution to that amount. Speaker 200:22:04Yes. I'll add to that, Michael. We're off to a good start, just a couple of weeks. We've got well over 50 implantations, which is great. And we're thinking about this, as Roberto said, but really a forward and backwards integration, right? Speaker 200:22:19So this will allow us to get to new customers, which will elevate the rest of our product portfolio in ventral and complex ventral. But we started off in complex ventral and then more simple ventral. And a lot of those surgeons don't use us for Inguinal. So I think reversing that, our customers that are solid on the ventral side and the complex side, I think are going to take a good hard look at us and adopt our product on the inguinal side. So it gives us that complete product portfolio. Speaker 200:22:51I like the fact that it gives us mindshare, routine usage capability, shelf space. And with the addition of LiquiFix, it gives us complete parity with our largest competitors, right? We have a very novel atraumatic fixation system that we think offers significant advantages compared to tackers. And now we've got a full range to go after the whole suite of procedures. Speaker 600:23:17Got it. That's really helpful. Thank you. And just second one, could you maybe just give us an update on your GPO contracts and how you're ramping there? Speaker 200:23:27Yes. So it remains the big three contracts that we have in place. Our revenue contribution from all the various GPOs, even the smaller ones and the big three is approximately 60%. We think it's going to grow up to 70% in the near future. We're certainly on track for that. Speaker 200:23:46We're continually getting access via IDN supply chain and by smaller GPOs. And we are active in terms of looking at getting the next large GPOs. We're very confident that we're going to get them all. The large GPOs, I think their bid requests aren't due until much later this year. So it might be more of a year event. Speaker 200:24:10But rest assured, we're very confident in our ability to continue to sell within the IDN framework, which represents over 40% of our sales today and has been very consistent. So we've also had great success in getting IHR on our existing contracts as a line extension. And we're actually starting to see some success with Liquifix as a new technology. That's going to take a little more time to get contracts for Liquifix. But the new technology designation, which we seem to be getting in certain places, is going to help us speed that up as well. Speaker 200:24:44So everything on the GPO front is looking very positive. Speaker 600:24:48Great. Thank you. Speaker 300:24:50Thanks, Michael. Operator00:24:53Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Matthew O'Brien with Piper Sandler. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:25:06Great. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe for starters, just the Q1 result was quite good. Guidance for the year is well below what you just delivered in Q1. And I know there's a comp dynamic to think about. Speaker 700:25:18But with all these different growth metrics or growth drivers that we're seeing out there, I guess, why not raise the guidance range a little bit even higher versus what you did and then kind of what you've been doing over the last couple of years? Speaker 300:25:36Sure. Thanks for the question, Matt. We approached our guidance this year as a commitment to our investors. So we are going to hit these numbers and we put the guidance range where we felt very confident that that was doable given what we know. Understanding that as we learn more over the course the year, quarter by quarter, and if we felt more comfortable, we would increase it to reflect that. Speaker 300:25:58So, we did do well compared to consensus this quarter. We raised the range by a bit more than that. Part of the dynamic is what sort of fractions we can use and what sort of numbers. But we feel comfortable about the slightly raised range. And as we get more data under our belts, we will reconsider the range going forward. Speaker 700:26:24Okay, understood. And then Tony, you've been talking about really strong training for quite a while. And I'm just wondering when we're going to start to see a little bit more of this inflection point in terms of utilization. I mean, I know you're growing really well, but this is a massive market that you're going after. What do you think is needed? Speaker 700:26:43Got all the data. You've got great products, indications. What's needed to really see this influx from here? Thanks. Speaker 200:26:51Well, I call it the quasi parity, right? So if you look at our history, right, we had no capital until the end of 2019, as you know. So commercialization really started in earnest in 2020. And we did well for 2 or 3 years, but we were hampered in building out our infrastructure due to the COVID start. But we grew crazy good even through that. Speaker 200:27:19But to be successful in this market, parity in terms of sales force size roughly, parity in GPO access roughly, parity in terms of product portfolio capability across all types of procedures roughly, right? I mean, we haven't had all of that in place until now, right? What we had was excellent proof of concepts, great data, a very good mission that I think is well understood and appreciated by patients and some surgeons. And I think more and more surgeons are getting interested in our mission. So I think it's I think what you're seeing is your surgeons tend to be slower conservative adopters, which I think you want them to be. Speaker 200:28:04They want to prove things out first before they jump in. But we are a company that started with 0 on the ground, right, nothing. And so it's taken us time to methodically build this quasi parity with the big players. And I think we can go toe to toe now starting now, at the start of this year. So I think this is the next phase of our evolution in growth, Matt. Speaker 700:28:33Got it. Thanks so much. Operator00:28:38Thank you. And one moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of David Turkaly with Citizens JMP. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:28:58Hey, good evening guys. Tony, I might have missed it. Did you say and I know sales force expansion is not a big part of this year, but are you still at 86 reps and 6 assistant reps? Speaker 300:29:10We are at 87 reps and 7 associate reps. Speaker 200:29:14Yes. Now we're very consistent from last time, Dave. Speaker 800:29:19Got it. And then you mentioned the Intuitive meeting and your commentary about some further penetration in existing accounts and adding some new. I'm just curious if there's anything tangible you could leave us with, maybe even in terms of new accounts, because that sort of seems like it would be a great opportunity for you guys to scope out some new surgeons. And I don't know if there's any quantifiable number you could give us, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on that meeting. Speaker 200:29:49Yes. I mean, meeting was great for us. I mean, for a short meeting, we had over well over 70 really solid validated leads, a lot there's a very nice percentage of those have already turned into cases or case commitments. It felt like we were part of the ecosystem, right? I always say Intuitive Surgical is the apple of medtech in our time. Speaker 200:30:16And they only pick the best partners to go into their application store. And I felt like being in that app store was a big deal for us. We never take it for granted. We appreciate it immensely. And I think it's going to do good things for us, right? Speaker 200:30:32It's going to open up the world to seeing us who we are. A lot of the surgeons were seeing us for the first time. So that kind of thing takes time, but the Connect meeting was an excellent, excellent start. And we want to do more of those. I think the case observation sites is something that's also very, very good. Speaker 200:30:56We've got many, many robotic surgeons that are now opening up their ORs for surgeons to come in and take a look. And that's great for the robot and it's great for over tax So I think I always think that Intuitive maybe the giga GPO that sits on top of all the other GPOs, right? We want to make sure that everything we do is in good standing with them and that we focus on our compatibility with the surgeons who use the products, so the robot. So I think we're slowly attaining that, Dave. It's nothing but good. Speaker 800:31:37Great. Thank you. Speaker 400:31:39Thanks Dave. Operator00:31:40Thank you. And I'm showing no further questions at this time. And I'd like to hand the conference back over to Tony Koplish for any further remarks. Speaker 200:31:49Thank you, Michelle, and thank you everyone for joining us. We appreciate your continued interest in TeleBio. Have a great rest of your evening. Thank you. Operator00:31:59This concludes today's conference call. 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