BankUnited Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 18, 2024

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and thank you for joining us today for BankUnited Inc. 2nd Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call. On the call this morning are Raj Singh, Chairman, President and CEO Leslie Lunak, Chief Financial Officer and Tom Cornish, Chief Operating Officer. Before we start, I'd like to remind everyone that this call may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 that reflect the company's current views with respect to, among other things, future events and financial performance. Any forward looking statements made during this call are based on the historical performance of the company and its subsidiaries or on the company's current plans, estimates and expectations.

Operator

The inclusion of these forward looking information should not be regarded as a representation by the company that the future plans, estimates or expectations contemplated by the company will be achieved. Such forward looking statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties and assumptions, including, without limitations, those relating to the company's operations, financial results, financial condition, business prospects, growth strategy and liquidity, including as impacted by external circumstances outside the company's direct control, such as adverse events impacting the financial services industry. The company does not undertake any obligation to publicly update or review any forward looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future developments or otherwise. A number of important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated by the forward looking statements. These factors should not be construed as exhaustive.

Operator

Information on these factors can be found in the company's annual report on Form 10 ks for the year ended December 31, 2023, and any subsequent quarterly report on Form 10Q or current report on Form 8Q 8 ks, which are available at the SEC's website, www.sec.gov. With that, I'd like to now turn the call over to Mr. Raj Singh.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Welcome everyone to our earnings call. Thank you for joining us. I'll start out by saying this really has been an outstanding quarter. There's always some variability on how things will end when you're coming towards the end of the quarter.

Speaker 1

And sometimes things fall your way, sometimes they don't. This quarter, I think everything fell our way, whether you look at loans, deposits, NIDDA, whether you look at cost of deposits, margin, expenses, credit, capital, liquidity, I mean, I really couldn't have asked for a better end to the quarter. And just as we were celebrating, of course, India won the World Cup on the last day of the quarter. So like I said, I really couldn't have asked for more. I still haven't stopped celebrating.

Speaker 1

So thank you, team India for making my day. Let me quickly go into the numbers and I'll highlight a few and then Tom and Leslie will jump in with more details. Just to highlight, of course, EPS came in at $0.72 I think I checked a couple of days ago, consensus was around $0.65 Margin, as we've been telling you for some time that we expect margin to grow, which it did very nicely. I think last quarter we were at 2.57 percent, we're up to 2.72 percent this quarter, so very happy about that. That margin grew simply because we are being we are seeing success at transforming the right side first, deposits, deposit cost actually came down for the first time.

Speaker 1

So last quarter we told you we're kind of getting to the place where deposit costs will not grow. Happy to report that actually we dropped deposit costs from $3.18 down to $309. If you peel the onion back a little bit more, a lot of that drop really came not all of the drop came from DDA growth, which was phenomenal this quarter. But if you look at interest bearing deposit costs, while they were up a little bit from 421 to 426, it's also beginning to plateau out. Last quarter, by the way, they were up 17 basis points, and this quarter up to only 5 basis points.

Speaker 1

But overall deposit costs were down from $318,000,000 to $309,000,000 We're very happy about that. Deposit growth, which is the big story here, non brokered deposits grew by $1,300,000,000 this quarter and off that $1,300,000,000 $826,000,000 was non interest DDA, which is just a very, very solid number. That's by the way on top of a pretty solid DDA growth that we had in the previous quarter as well. I think for the first half of the year, NIDDA is up $1,200,000,000 So that transformation that I'm talking about to the right side of the balance sheet is well underway. But of course, the job is not done.

Speaker 1

We're going to keep at it and keep improving the deposit mix. We did take this opportunity to pay down more of the broker than we had originally planned. So net of pay down in brokered, our deposit growth was $736,000,000 If you look at wholesale funding, if you define wholesale funding as brokered and FHLB combined, we brought that down by $1,200,000,000 this quarter. I had Leslie just yesterday look at this, where was this wholesale funding a year ago or a year and a half ago and when were we at this level or lower, you really have to go back to the beginning of this rate cycle, so early 2022 to see numbers as low as this. So despite the fact that we're still at 5.5 percent Fed funds rate, we've taken our wholesale funding down all the way back to when the Fed was at 0.

Speaker 1

So that's quite an achievement in a short period of time basically in the last year. Asset mix also improved just as we had been guiding to, while resi declined by $212,000,000 Our corporate business, commercial business, small business, CRE, everything grew. And if you combine all of that, the growth was $589,000,000 in those categories. Resi, like I said, declined a little over $200,000,000 and the leasing business continued to run off as it has been for several quarters now. Overall, credit strength trends are still solid.

Speaker 1

Actually, this is the Q1 in some time where our criticized and classifieds declined just a little bit, but we've been proactive in risk rating credits down over the last few quarters. So this quarter actually the trend went the other way just a little bit. There was some migration in office CRE. We actually had NPAs go up a little bit. The most notable are 2 loans in office CRE, which amount to about $50,000,000 1 in New York, 1 in Florida.

Speaker 1

But we're fully reserved for this and none of this came as a surprise. We've been tracking this for quite some time and feel pretty good about the reserves that we've already taken on these loans. In terms of Leslie will talk more to you about expenses, but even in fee income, I just wanted to point out that we've been making investments over the course of last couple of years that have not been very noticeable, but they're beginning to now pop up. We were having good success with commercial card. We're having good success with capital markets products, stuff that we've launched over the course of last couple of years and the numbers are beginning to be noticeable and I'm very happy about that and a big shout out to the teams who've worked on this over the last 2 years.

Speaker 1

Capital liquidity are all robust. Tangible book value continues to grow. The mark on the bond portfolio continues to come down. So like I said, nothing but good news and I'm very happy with how things turned out. In terms of guidance, not much in terms of we're not changing strategies midyear.

Speaker 1

We've got to keep our heads down and keep delivering. DDA growth is still the most important thing for the success of the company. Let me take a minute to mention this $1,200,000,000 of growth that we've had in DDA, a large part of this has come from bringing in new customers, okay. This doesn't happen without bringing in new clients and we've had a lot of success with broad based both New York, Florida and our national businesses. And when you look at pipelines, which Tom will talk about, we feel very optimistic about continuing that growth.

Speaker 1

It has also been helped by some seasonality as we have talked to you in the past about. The first half of the year seasonality helps us, the second half of the year not so much towards the end of the year actually hurts us. I think similar trends will happen again. So I don't think you will see that $1,000,000,000 a quarter type of DDA growth for one reason only, which is seasonality. But other than that, in terms of the core growth, you should expect similar level of new relationships coming on for the at least the next 6 months that we can foresee based on our pipeline.

Speaker 1

What else, Leslie? Am I missing anything? Oh, yes, one very important topic also. While we're doing all of this, we built this bank by attracting like minded people who want to be part of a sort of organic growth story. And this whole bank has been built on bringing in people like that over the years.

Speaker 1

Our most recent add to our team that we've announced this a couple of months ago is Ernie Diaz, who's not in the room with me here, but Ernie came to us from TD Bank, where he was Head of the Consumer Bank, ran the entire retail footprint, ran the wealth management business, the auto He's been He's been with the bank, like I said, only a couple of months, but he's already bringing ideas to the table that we probably wouldn't have thought of if he wasn't with us. So a big welcome to Ernie and I'm happy that the people are choosing to join BankUnited. Let me turn this over to Tom and he'll go over the numbers in a little more detail and then we'll move to Leslie after that.

Speaker 2

Great, Raj. Thank you. So as Raj mentioned, total deposits were up 7 $36,000,000 for the quarter, including the reduction in brokered, non brokered deposits, grew total by 1,300,000,000 dollars NIDDA by $826,000,000 and NIDDA is up 11% quarter over quarter. As Raj alluded to, as we look forward, the pipelines, I think, remain very robust across all of the operating teams. New account business, I think looks very good for the quarter.

Speaker 2

As he mentioned, the back book is always subject to seasonality and issues. But I think the new relationship pipeline continues to look very strong for not only the Q3, but we track opportunities out 180 days kind of into the Q4. We are taking some advantage of this and looking at reducing some rates on higher price deposits. Some of these were relationships or deposits that we increased during the financial disruption of the previous year. And we think now is a good time as we are moving down cost of funds and continuing to increase deposits at the clip we're doing to take advantage of that and look at opportunities to reduce some very specific relationships and higher rate type deposits.

Speaker 2

On the loan side, overall loans were up $402,000,000 quarter over quarter. Again, core C and I and CRE segments growing $589,000,000 in total, dollars 4.75 for the C and I segments, dollars 114,000,000 for CRE. Mortgage warehouse was also up $83,000,000 dollars and consistent with our strategy residential was down $212,000,000 and the leasing in municipal finance subs were also down. I would say that when we look at the growth for the quarter, both on the C and I side and on the CRE side, you can see from the information that you can pick up in the supplemental data, it was pretty broad based growth across segments. I would say 7 or 8 of our largest C and I segments all grew for the quarter.

Speaker 2

The ones where we have our practice teams, where we have our geographies predominantly focused, we saw a nice broad base growth. If you look at Cree for the quarter, it grew within the asset segments that we're predominantly focused on now, which would be industrial, multifamily and urban kind of core retail grocery anchored type business. And so you'll see the overall distribution of the CRE portfolio largely stayed almost exactly as it was for the previous quarter, except with some growth in everything with the exception of obviously office, we did not grow. But overall, very healthy quarter for us. Commercial pipeline looks very good going into Q3.

Speaker 2

We continue to expect high single growth in the core commercial portfolios for the year, consistent with prior guidance. More C and I than CRE, resi, municipal and equipment finance will continue to decline. The operating lease equipment portfolio declined by $62,000,000 this quarter and we took advantage of some opportunities to selectively sell some assets as we've been moving away from that business. I was looking at it yesterday over the last 2 years, we've declined our lease exposure from $702,000,000 to 266,000,000 dollars over that period of time and we're going to continue with that strategy. The loan to deposit ratio improved from 89.6% to 88.7%.

Speaker 2

Let's dig a little bit deeper into Cree and talk about office as well. You can look at Slides 12 through 15 in the supplemental deck where we've added some additional disclosure. So overall big picture, our CRE exposure remains, I think, relatively modest to 24 percent of total loans. CRE to total risk based capital is 165%, I think compared to others in our peer group, in the $10,000,000,000 to $100,000,000,000 range, their numbers were 35% and 2 22% respectively. So overall, we've continued to keep the CRE portfolio kind of within the risk parameters that we've always focused on and that 24% and 165% is kind of a number that we're comfortable with.

Speaker 2

At June 30, the weighted average LTV of the CRE portfolio was 56% and the weighted average DSCR was 1.77%, 56% of the portfolio is in Florida and 27% is in the New York Tri State area. Spend a little bit more time on office. As I told you on the last call, we track every single office loan. They're all right in front of me, right now and we break it down by submarket and follow all the submarkets. Just in general, I would say if we look at this quarter over last quarter, we have CRE office loans in 16 different submarkets that the company operates in.

Speaker 2

The credit statistics this quarter compared to last quarter were better in 9 of the 16 submarkets that we're in and they were better in 7 of the 8 submarkets where we have exposure greater than $100,000,000 So it was a positive quarter as we look at tracking the credit metrics across the different business segments that we're in. And that was really primarily for one reason, occupancy generally remained pretty strong across the portfolio, but what we really saw was abatement roll off. And so a lot of the leasing activity obviously over the last couple of years as contained abatement periods of time. And during that abatement period of time, we don't count that in the NOI and we saw pretty broad improvement in debt service coverage ratios this quarter in the major segments that we're in largely because of improving abatement situations. So specifically, we have $1,800,000,000 in office with 58% in Florida, which is predominantly suburban, 24% in the New York Tri State area.

Speaker 2

Of that $309,000,000 of the total CRE portfolio was medical office, which really has pretty different debt service coverage ratios and debt yield dynamics from an industry perspective. The construction portfolio also includes an additional $87,000,000 dollars in office related exposure, dollars 84,000,000 of that is in Manhattan. Neither of those are ground up construction. They're really renovation of existing buildings. The weighted average LTV of the stabilized office portfolio was 66% and the weighted average debt service coverage ratio was 1.59 as of June 30.

Speaker 2

There's also additional breakdown of those numbers by geography on Slide 12. $402,000,000 of the office loans mature in the next 12 months, dollars 191,000,000 of this is fixed rate rent rollover in the next 12 months is 9% of the office portfolio. So we have relatively light rent rollover in the next 12 months. With respect to the stabilized New York Tri State portfolio, 43% is in Manhattan. This is approximately $180,000,000 and has a 96% occupancy and lease rollover in the next 12 months of 6%.

Speaker 2

We continue to see some encouraging signs in the Manhattan market. If you look at total leasing for the first half of the year, was 15,500,000 square feet, which was up about 9% over the previous year, predominantly in Class A space. And this is certainly not at the level prior to the pandemic, but it is we have seen a consistent improvement in the leasing activity in Manhattan over the last 2 years. This was the strongest quarter that we've seen increases over the last 12 months. Demand in demographics continues to be generally favorable in Florida.

Speaker 2

We are seeing a couple of weak spots in certain segments in the Orlando market, predominantly suburban, North Orlando, where we have one of the loans Raj mentioned. There are some charts on Slide 16 that give you a further geographic breakdown of the Florida and New York Tri State portfolio by submarket. I would say that all other markets in Florida are pretty strong. I was mentioning to Leslie this morning that I looked at the Tampa numbers for the quarter and there's over 1,400,000 square feet of leased space and only 6% of that was sublease activity. So you're generally seeing sublease activity go down fairly consistently in Florida.

Speaker 2

You're seeing more positive absorption in most of the markets and virtually all the major submarkets in Florida for 2nd quarter saw year over year rent increases modest, but year over year rent increases. We did have some CRE loans, as Raj mentioned, with the non accrual this quarter for the first time. Non performing CRE loans totaled $51,000,000 as of June 30. Total criticized and classified loans increased by $88,000,000 during the quarter. This was all in the predominantly in the office segment.

Speaker 2

Overall, the portfolio continues to perform comparatively well and is generally characterized by strong sponsors, long term asset owners, low basis in the assets who continue to support the underlying properties. To date, concerns generally seem to be very asset specific. Renovating periods and delays in completing build out of lease space and in some cases lower occupancy levels contributed to whatever risk migration we did have. And overall, we continue to believe, the ultimate loss content from this portfolio will be very manageable for us. So with that, I'll turn it over to Leslie.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Tom. Just a quick summary of the quarterly results. As Raj said, net income for the quarter was $53,700,000 or $0.72 per share. Net interest income was up $11,200,000 this quarter and the NIM increased 15 basis points to 2.72. The most significant contributor to this increase in margin was obviously an $888,000,000 increase in average NIDDA.

Speaker 3

Average NIDDA grew to 27.5% of average total deposits and that's compared to 24.7 percent for the prior quarter. The yield on loans was up from 5.78 to 5.85 as new production came on at higher rates and the portfolio composition continues to shift into higher yielding assets. The yield on securities as expected was essentially flat quarter over quarter. We're very happy to see the average cost of total deposits decline to $309 for the 2nd quarter compared to $3.18 last quarter along with the slower pace of increase in the cost of interest bearing deposits. On a spot basis, the cost of interest bearing deposits is stable quarter over quarter.

Speaker 3

The average cost of FHLB advances did go up this quarter to $4.28 from $4.18 that's really just due to the expiration of a couple of cash flow hedges. From a guidance standpoint, we continue to expect the NIM to expand over the back half of twenty twenty four, although I don't think we'll see 15 basis points per quarter. I would love that, but it's not what I'm expecting. But still continue to expect NIM to end the year in the high 2s. And given that we're already at $272,000,000 I guess now you have a little better idea of what I mean by the high 2s.

Speaker 3

Higher than that. So we do and we expect net interest income to be up mid single digits to low high double digits year over year. Provision and reserve, the provision this quarter was $20,000,000 and the ACL, the loans ratio continued to increase from 90 to 92 basis points. The commercial ACL ratio, which includes C and I, CRE, Franchise and Equipment Finance stood at 142 at June 30. This quarter's provision and the increase in the ACL were driven by risk rating migration and increase in some specific reserves, new loan production, changes in portfolio characteristics, partially offset by some improvements in the economic forecast.

Speaker 3

The reserve on Cree office was $2.47 at June 30, that's up from $2.26 at March 31. This build was prompted by some of the risk rating migration that you see and changes in commercial property market forecast. You might recall that last quarter we put up a pretty large qualitative reserve on Cree office over $20,000,000 in anticipation of the fact that we were likely to see what we saw this quarter, some of that negative risk rating migration. And this quarter, you saw some of that move from the qualitative reserve to the quantitative reserve and getting picked up in the quantitative calculation. We do expect the ACL to gradually build as a percentage of loans over the rest of 24, likely getting closer to 1%.

Speaker 3

And some of that's going to be driven by the expected shift in portfolio composition. As Raj mentioned, criticized and classified assets declined by $52,000,000 overall this quarter with the $69,000,000 increase in CRE being offset by a decline of $121,000,000 in other commercial categories. A few comments on non interest income and expense. Non interest expense was pretty much flat quarter over quarter. Lease financing income was down about $5,800,000 that's due to 2 things, the reduction in the size of the asset portfolio as well as fluctuation in residual income, which was a small loss this quarter compared to a small gain last quarter.

Speaker 3

Other non interest income, we did have an increase in income this quarter from our customer derivatives business, our commercial card business and syndication fees. Going forward, I'd expect an overall gradually increasing trend in that line item, but there are some things in here that can cause some quarterly volatility. I'll reiterate our mid single digit guidance for the year over year increase in non interest expense excluding the FDIC special assessments. This does include some railcar refurbishment costs that we're expecting in the back half of the year and that's one of the things that's going to drive that increase. I'll make a brief comment on the year over year increase in compensation expense.

Speaker 3

Most of what you're seeing in the P and L is really driven by some fluctuations in liability classified share awards that are driven by changes in volatility in the company's stock price and some reversal of expense in the prior year for awards that didn't vest. Core salary expense is really only up about 2%. The ETR, I'd expect to be around 26.5% going forward excluding discrete items. SET-one from a capital perspective, SET-one was stable at 11.6% this quarter compared to last quarter and TCE TO TA increased to 7.4%. That's all I have.

Speaker 3

I'm going to turn it over to Raj for closing comments and then we'll take your questions.

Speaker 1

I think, listen, like I said at the beginning of the call, couldn't be happier with the way the quarter turned out and looking forward, very optimistic when I look at the pipeline. So all is well and happy and we'll be glad to take questions. We'll turn it over to the operator for Q and A.

Operator

Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Will Jones from KBW.

Speaker 4

Hey, great. Good morning, guys.

Speaker 3

Good morning, Will.

Speaker 4

So, first of all, congrats on the nice quarter. I just wanted to start on deposits. I mean, it's impressive what you guys are doing on the non interest bearing front. Growth was really nothing but spectacular this year. It sounds like there's continued optimism and that the pipeline still look good.

Speaker 4

But maybe in the second half of the year, we might see a little bit of seasonality kind of dampen that. And maybe the easier way to think about non interest bearing for the year is maybe just a full year growth rate. And if you look at what you guys have already done, you're already approaching 20% growth for the year. Is there just a broader target for what you see non interest bearing do this year in terms of just maybe a growth rate?

Speaker 1

I think non interest DDA, what we're shooting for is comfortable double digit growth, but not 20%, 30% growth. That's when you take out seasonality, you take out sort of the ups and downs of any given quarter. Having mid teens type of growth is very hard to deliver by the way, especially in this environment. But if the environment stays as is and our pipeline say as healthy as they are, we should be able to get somewhere between 13%, 14%, 15%, 16% DDA growth. That's what would be a long term projection.

Speaker 1

Now the reality is that rates will not stay the same. Things will move around and that can have a pretty big impact. I'll give you a very simple just one example of one of our LOBs, which is the title business. When there is a mortgage refi boom, you will see that gets supercharged. Right now, all the growth that is coming is really from getting market share.

Speaker 1

But the market itself, the wider market is very depressed because originations are at historic lows. When mortgage originations start to kick up, I don't know when that will be, a year from now or 10 years from now, who knows, but whatever they do, you will see those average account balances grow and not much we'll have to do, but except to sit here and enjoy the growth. So, but putting aside what the interest rate guards will do, just the speed of the which business is growing, I would say, we're shooting for double digit in DDA growth. And I've said we want to get back to 30%. We're at 29%.

Speaker 1

We were 27%, I think last quarter. So we're making progress towards getting back and capturing that hill, which is now within grasp. And then eventually getting back to our high watermark, which was I think 34%. So that will be a good goal for sometime next year.

Speaker 3

Yes. Just to recap, from here through the rest of the year, I would expect just modest growth given the seasonal tail headwinds. Yes.

Speaker 4

Okay. Well, that's very helpful. Great work on the non DDA front. And Leslie, I appreciate that the margin guidance is still kind of unchanged in the high 2% range. But just as we look at the loan side in particular, you can kind of see the remix happening where core C and I and CRE is seeing strong growth and we have that runoff and 1 to 4 families still happening.

Speaker 4

As you grow that core C and I and you run off mortgage, what is kind of that trade off in yield? I guess, in other words, what is the new loan yield you guys are receiving versus what's running off?

Speaker 3

I mean, call it around 8%, 7.5% to 8% on most of the new production. And the resi portfolio yields in the mid-3s. So there you

Speaker 4

go. And as you guys continue to target that high single digit range for kind of the core loans, is it fair to assume that we will continue to kind of see maybe that 5 to 10 basis point increase in loan yields going forward?

Speaker 3

I mean that seems reasonable, yes.

Speaker 1

I just want to make one go back and make one more point about deposit growth. The deposit growth that you're seeing is really 5 years of effort in the making and it's not something we did last quarter or even last year. This is many years of working on product and technology and going to market, which is paying off today. It's not like we hired a bunch of guys last quarter and they brought this business in. We really did not do that.

Speaker 1

I talked about bringing Ernie in, but that was not

Speaker 3

He didn't bring in any deposits yet.

Speaker 1

He's not knocking on doors. That's not fair to hire. We could have gone that way. We did see a lot of producers over the last year from all the usual names, but we did not choose to do that. This is more a long term 4, 5 year strategy that is now coming into its own and is helping us.

Speaker 1

So just a point.

Speaker 2

Well, I would also add on the loan yield side. If we look at the pipeline going forward and we kind of look sort of opportunity by opportunity between what's approved, what's accepted, term sheets and things of that nature. I think that the pricing market remains fairly good. We're not seeing too much differential in terms of yields. Obviously, virtually all banks are trying to put more emphasis on growing the C and I business versus growing other parts of their book.

Speaker 2

But I think as we look at a good quality pipeline Q3 into early Q4, we're seeing a fair bit of firmness in the yield on loans right now.

Speaker 4

Yes. Okay. That's great. And job well done guys. That's it for

Operator

me. Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Timur Braziler from Wells Fargo.

Speaker 5

Hi, good morning.

Speaker 3

Good morning. Good morning.

Speaker 5

Maybe just following up on that line of questioning for DDA. Raj, you kind of alluded to the future opportunities within the title business. And I apologize if I missed this in the prepared remarks, but can you just kind of go through where the DDA growth has been coming from in the first half of the year? And then maybe frame what the opportunity in the title business might look like if we do get some rate relief and increased mortgage activity?

Speaker 1

Yes. That's predicting what will happen when there is a refi boom, it's a little hard. It could be 20%, 30% lift in just average deposit balances, but it's I'm guessing at best. I will say that the growth that you saw this quarter was broad based. Having said that, title business was the biggest grower this quarter and also the biggest beneficiary of seasonality.

Speaker 1

But I would also like to point out the HOA business has also been growing very well. We organized that into a separate business line about 3 or 4 years ago and invested in technology over there also over the course of last 2 years. So they're seeing the benefit of that. And we did some 1 or 2 added to the sales team a couple of times last year, not a lot of people, but just a couple of people here and there. And they are all of that investment is paying off.

Speaker 1

So the HOA business also is far ahead of its budget for the year, such as just the way NTS, our national title businesses. But we're seeing benefits in New York as well. And in New York, the story has been a little bit about the disruption in the marketplace that has given us an opening to pick up some core business. And in Florida, it's a healthy market, so that also grew this quarter. Now there are a couple of things which shrunk also this quarter, but those are seasonality trends in the other direction, but that's not DDA, that was municipal, which is largely a money market business that grows in the Q4, but shrinks in the first, second and third quarter.

Speaker 1

So that went the other way. So there are a lot of moving parts, but overall, I would say it was broad based growth. Yes, the title business was probably the biggest contributor and also the biggest beneficiary of the seasonality trends, but they'll also hurt the most in the Q4 when seasonality goes the other way.

Speaker 2

I would add that we also saw a good increase in the corporate banking deposit business in the quarter, which is virtually all kind of transactional business and it was across all of the geographies that we're in. So it was a combination of both kind of specialty businesses and broad geography businesses.

Speaker 5

Okay, great. And then just again a follow-up on the title business specifically. What are those balances today that are sitting in DDA? And then just to kind of frame the opportunity, maybe what was the balance of the deposit? What rates were lower?

Speaker 5

So

Speaker 3

we don't really disclose that kind of detail about deposit balances by line of business. In the aggregate, though, I think the title business is around $4,000,000,000 and most of that's DDA, but I don't have those exact numbers in front of me and we don't typically make that kind of public disclosure.

Speaker 5

Understood. Okay. And then just one last one for me. Just looking at some of the degradation in the office portfolio over the last couple of quarters and appreciate the comments on the qualitative reserve last quarter moving into qualitative this quarter. I guess, is it really just the lease abatements that's the biggest issue right now that you're seeing within the office book.

Speaker 5

And as you sit here today, assuming other commercial categories kind of stay stable,

Speaker 1

how should

Speaker 5

we think about the reserve on the office portfolio, maybe relative to what you're seeing for the trends in the last couple of quarters?

Speaker 3

I'll comment on the reserve and then I'll let Tom add a little bit of color around the book. Nothing we are seeing is outside of what we've been expecting to happen. We've been telling you for several quarters now that some of these loans are going to have issues. We didn't know which ones. Now we kind of know which ones.

Speaker 3

And that this is exactly in line with our expectations for what was going to happen in the office book and the reserve is at about 2.5% and we feel like that's adequate.

Speaker 2

Yes. I would say that if you look at the overall performance of the office portfolio and the overall occupancy, debt service coverage and debt yield numbers, it points to a portfolio that overall is doing well. Now there will be a couple of spots within it that there will be very asset specific deals that have a challenge. I would say predominantly, it's lease up rent abatement issues that impact DSCR early on because during the abatement periods, the building is physically occupied, but it's not economically occupied because it's not contributing to NOI. There are the one building Raj mentioned in New York is a building that's gone through renovation.

Speaker 2

We have 2 renovation buildings in New York and those do have to go through a lease up period and then an abatement period. So there are a couple of asset specifics that are in the portfolio. But overall, if you go through all 98 loans that I have in front of me, the vast majority of them are performing very well.

Speaker 5

Great. Thanks for that color. Appreciate it.

Operator

Thank Our next question comes from the line of David Bishop from Hovde Group.

Speaker 5

Good morning.

Speaker 3

Good morning, Dave.

Speaker 5

Hey, Raj, Leslie, specifically, I know we spoke about this, but there's been

Speaker 6

a lot of, I guess, agita angst about maybe the commercial CMBS market here and I know you have some exposure there. Just curious how you're feeling about the that portfolio these days in relation to what's been out in the press there? Are you seeing any sort of risk of impairment? Just curious how that's holding up overall.

Speaker 3

Yes. So yes, collateral losses have increased in the CMBS market, but we are seeing no risk of impairment whatsoever in our portfolio. All of our holdings are extremely well enhanced. We rigorously stress test each and every one of those securities on a at least quarterly basis and we don't see any potential signs of impairment at all at this time because of the level of credit enhancement that we have and we do monitor it on a deal by deal basis very rigorously.

Speaker 6

And you guys avoid the single asset single tenant investment? Correct.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thank you for asking. We have no single asset, single borrower exposure.

Speaker 5

Got it. And then Leslie, just I think I missed it. The operating expense guidance, how should we think about that in the

Speaker 6

back half of the year? It sounds like there be some escalation in expenses?

Speaker 3

Yes. Still mid single digit increase year over year in the aggregate. So no change to our guidance. And I just made the point that one of the things that's going to drive that is some railcar refurbishment that will happen, but no change in our overall guidance.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Steven Alexopoulos from JPMorgan.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning. It's Alex Lau on for Steve.

Speaker 3

Good morning, Alex.

Speaker 5

I have

Speaker 7

a question, a follow-up on the DDA and the title solutions business. In terms of the seasonality for that business, is last year's seasonal trends a good period to model after? Or has anything changed in that business that would result in last year in not being a good data point to refer to?

Speaker 1

I think you could use that. Probably the best year that you could probably feel that would be last year. And yes, I would say that yes, last year is probably as typical a year.

Speaker 3

Yes, barring as Raj said earlier, something happening in the rate markets that all else held equal, that makes sense.

Speaker 7

Got it. And how much of the growth in the title solutions business this year has been from gaining market share versus some seasonality?

Speaker 1

I will say, I'll give you that business is growing at mid teens level, if you take out the seasonality. In terms of new relationships that we're adding on and in terms of balances, evened out versus seasonality, it's about mid teen growth rate. We're bringing in about 40 to 45 clients per quarter.

Speaker 2

And that would equate to about a 15% to 18% increase in the overall client base.

Speaker 7

Great color. Thank you. And then my last one, how big is your deposit pipeline for treasury management at quarter end and how does that compare to the prior quarter?

Speaker 1

It's very similar. It really hasn't from beginning of this year to now, as we're bringing in as closing in the pipeline, new things go into the pipeline, so it really hasn't changed that much.

Speaker 3

That pipeline has actually been pretty consistent for some time. It tends to get replenished at about at a pretty constant rate.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thanks for answering my questions.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ben Gurlinger from Citi.

Speaker 8

Hey, good morning.

Speaker 1

Good morning, Ben.

Speaker 8

I apologize upfront. There's a lot of calls going on this morning. So you guys have a pretty good quarter. So I agree with the transcript while you're talking. But is there have you guys given any indication of kind of overall capital deployment, whether it be share repurchase or potential down the road for continued outsized loan growth.

Speaker 8

I'm just trying to get

Speaker 1

a sense of how you guys are

Speaker 8

thinking about capital given that your share price is still fairly compressed. It's had a good rebound here, but also you also had a good quarter for growth and

Speaker 1

the Southeast in general just seems to have

Speaker 8

a better economic backdrop.

Speaker 1

Yes. We Leslie and I were working on the Board agenda for August actually just yesterday and I told her to add a section on capital discussion. So listen, we're looking at a pretty happy set of facts here. We're seeing some growth opportunity. We're seeing capital build up.

Speaker 1

And my first choice is always is to actually deploy the capital and grow it profitably. If we're not able to see that for a sustained period of time, then we think about buybacks. And then of course, in the back of our mind is always the environment if it is conducive to buybacks or not. And also you've heard us in the past that we are very sensitive to all our stakeholders, especially the rating agencies who are quite sensitive about capital return. So we're going to keep all of that in mind.

Speaker 1

We'll have a discussion in August. And I don't want to get ahead of myself and say something that I'm not authorized yet

Speaker 5

by the Board, but

Speaker 1

we'll have a discussion like we've had in the past. But right now, we're out in the sidelines. Maybe in August we'll do something or maybe later in the year. But right now I'm looking at a decent pipeline and if we can actually deploy this capital, that would be the best thing, best outcome. Got you.

Speaker 1

Are you This year we've given guidance, the balance sheet will not grow from beginning to the end of the year. And I think give or take, we'll probably end up at that level. But I want to grow eventually, right? We were not growing is no fun. So Leslie will kill me if I start talking about next year, so I won't.

Speaker 1

But I want to get back into growth business.

Speaker 8

Got you. Are you able to say what day of the Board meeting is, so I know what day to No.

Speaker 4

No.

Speaker 3

If anything happens, there'll be a press release.

Speaker 9

Yes, but I think that sounds good. I'll just try to get

Speaker 8

in front of it by about 4 minutes. All right.

Speaker 1

Well, I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I would now like to turn the conference back over to Raj Singh for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Like I said, India winning the World Cup was the big cherry on a pretty decent Sunday. We're very happy with the way the quarter turned out. We're very optimistic as we look to the future. And thank you for your time this morning and call us if you have any more detailed questions. Otherwise, we'll see you or talk to you again in 3 months.

Speaker 1

Bye.

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