RenaissanceRe Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 25, 2024

There are 12 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning. My name is Ashley, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Renaissance Re Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. After the prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. Instructions will be given at that time.

Operator

Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Keith McHugh, Senior President of Finance and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Ashley. Good morning and welcome to RenaissanceRe's 2nd quarter earnings conference call. Joining me today to discuss our results are Kevin O'Donnell, President and Chief Executive Officer Bob Qutub, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer and David Maher, Executive Vice President, Group Chief Underwriting Officer. First, some housekeeping matters. Our discussion today will include forward looking statements, including new and updated expectations for our business and results of operations.

Speaker 1

It's important to note that actual results may differ materially from the expectations shared today. Additional information regarding the factors shaping these outcomes can be found in our SEC filings and in our earnings release. During today's call, we will also present non GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to GAAP metrics and other information concerning non GAAP measures may be found in our earnings release and financial supplement, which are available on our website at renre.com. And now, I'd like to turn the call over to Kevin.

Speaker 1

Kevin?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Keith. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining today's call. Before I begin my comments, I want to welcome our Chief Underwriting Officer, David Maura to the call. Going forward, he will provide the more detailed commentary on segment performance that I previously covered and I look forward to his increased participation. Welcome, David.

Speaker 2

Turning to the quarter. I am pleased to report that RenaissanceRe once again delivered excellent results. We reported an annualized operating return on average common equity of 28%. Notably, the operating return on this on equity this quarter is almost identical to Q2 last year, but average common equity has increased by 2 thirds. We have changed the scale of the company over the last several years, most significantly by acquiring Validus Re and are proud that this greater scale and diversification continues to reward our shareholders with superior returns.

Speaker 2

Looking forward, over the remainder of this year and into 2025, I believe these superior returns can persist. It is an exciting time to be a reinsurer and we are confident in our strategy and we trust our execution. As you will hear us discuss today, we are delivering of profit and believe that we can continue to do so for several reasons. First, property reinsurance rates remain attractive. We led the market pricing reset in 2023 and are confident that the rate strength we are currently experiencing will continue.

Speaker 2

The market is becoming increasingly stable. Primary companies are adjusting to the new reinsurance market by increasing property rates. This allows them to continue to add limit to their reinsurance protections. Over the preceding year, we estimate that demand for property catastrophe reinsurance limit in the U. S, excluding cat bonds has increased by about $20,000,000,000 This new demand was present at the beginning of the year and accelerated into the mid year renewals.

Speaker 2

Supply ultimately met this demand, but did not exceed it. 2nd, interest rates have proven to be sticky and even with anticipated rate cuts will likely remain higher than they have been over most of the past 2 decades. At the same time, our investment portfolio continues to grow. The combination of increased investment leverage, largely benefiting from our casualty and specialty portfolio and increased book yield are driving compelling returns and benefiting shareholders. 3rd, our fee generating capital partners business is performing well.

Speaker 2

We have attractive structures and provide our 3rd party capital partners access to several offerings, all of which benefit from exceptional talent of our underwriting franchise. This aligned strategy continues to attract capital and separates us from other managers. Our Capital Partners business improves our offerings to customers, enhances our ability to optimize our portfolio and generates attractive fees for doing so. One more reason we are so excited about the future is the performance of our Validus reacquisition. We have renewed most of the Validus book at this point and we believe we achieved our most important objectives: underwriting, people and capital.

Speaker 2

From an underwriting perspective, I am pleased to report that the Validus portfolio has outperformed initial expectations against every relevant metric. We successfully retained the combined book, deepened our partnerships with customers and met our underwriting objectives across both segments. As we have discussed in the past, we understood the Validus Re business very well and there were no surprises, underwriting or otherwise. From a people and operations perspective, we have retained key talent. Legacy Validus employees are fully integrated into our teams and have been making substantial contributions at every level of our organization.

Speaker 2

Operationally, underwriting systems have been fully integrated since the closing and we are on schedule for integrating our back office systems. In addition, we have been able to leverage several of Validus' proprietary systems and tools to augment our deal analysis and modeling. From a capital management perspective, we have already merged 1 of the 2 main Validus balance sheets into a Renaissance re balance sheet. We remain on track to merge the remaining balance sheet by the end of the year. Together with renewing Validus portfolio onto Renaissance rebalance sheets, these actions have freed substantial capital and liquidity at the holding company.

Speaker 2

This provides us with considerable dry powder to deploy into the business and return to shareholders. From my perspective, we still have a little work to do in order to fully integrate Validus, but successfully landing the underwriting portfolio was the most important milestone. Bob and Dave will provide additional insights into the success of Validus. But suffice it to say, we couldn't be happier regarding our execution on this deal. Shifting now to the mid year renewals, which David will discuss in greater detail.

Speaker 2

Overall, we were pleased with our results and the risk portfolio we constructed. This remains one of the most favorable property markets that I've seen in my career with attractive rates and terms and conditions relatively unchanged. All of which is to say, we are delighted with the state of the market, which I believe remains appropriately positioned in the insurance value chain, assumes the appropriate level of risk and is being paid attractively for it. Before turning to Bob, I would like to spend a minute discussing how we shaped our risk going into this wind season and how we have enhanced our resilience to loss. To help frame this discussion, I want to highlight 3 main points.

Speaker 2

1st, on an absolute dollar basis, our risk is up as we have grew exposure to Southeast Hurricane largely due to the addition of the Validus portfolio. 2nd, on a percentage of equity basis, however, we reduced our exposure to loss. And third, we shaped our portfolio to steepen the curve, further reducing the relative risk we are taking to small events because rates were attractive and we can deliver strong returns by deploying capital into hurricane risk even when considering the elevated forecast. At the same time, we grew our equity base substantially, which reduced our overall risk on a percentage of equity basis. The more complicated element and the one that added the most alpha to our portfolio relative to the market was our active shaping of the portfolio's distribution of outcomes to decrease exposure to smaller events compared to larger events.

Speaker 2

We did this using our risk expertise, proprietary tools and flexible capital platform including Capital Partners. This substantially reduced the relative risk to our income statement. At the same time, we shifted the entire risk curve lower, reducing risk to our balance sheet, albeit less so than less so than the income statement. These actions benefit you as shareholders because we grew into a strong market, reduced your exposure to hurricane loss and optimized portfolio returns over the full distribution of outcomes. I believe that we were uniquely positioned to execute on this strategy and have constructed one of the most resilient portfolios since I started here at RenRe in 1996.

Speaker 2

In short, if you have the right tools, it's a good time to be a reinsurer. This concludes my opening remarks. Bob will now discuss our financial performance for the quarter followed by David who will provide an update on our segment performance.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Kevin, and good morning, everyone. This quarter, we delivered excellent results across all aspects of our business. Operating income was $651,000,000 and our annualized operating return on average common equity was 28%. All three drivers of profit are producing strong sustainable sources of income. Underwriting income was $479,000,000 up 37% from the Q2 of 2023.

Speaker 3

These were $84,000,000 up 48% and retained net investment income was $283,000,000 up 50%. These increasing earnings across all three drivers of profit are reflected in our operating EPS, which was $12.41 per share this quarter, up 40% from a year ago. As Kevin explained, we believe that the momentum behind our 3 drivers of profit will persist and we will continue to generate superior returns for our shareholders. I will discuss our earnings in more detail in a moment, but first I want to touch on capital management. Over the last several quarters, we have been consistently generating profits in excess of what we require to grow the business.

Speaker 3

We are now at a point in the Validus integration where we are starting to free up more of this excess capital. We find our shares very attractive current multiples. Since the end of the Q1, we repurchased $170,000,000 of our common shares. As we look forward, we are keeping an eye on hurricane season. However, as Kevin mentioned, we believe that we will deliver consistent, strong returns over the long term.

Speaker 3

This combined with our leading ability to match desirable risk with efficient capital means that we can capture attractive underwriting opportunities while continuing to repurchase shares at attractive valuations. Turning now to our Q2 results and starting with our first driver of profit underwriting, where gross premiums written were up 29% or 36% year to date. We have seen attractive risk adjusted returns in property catastrophe and specialty and have grown these classes of businesses by 35% and 82% respectively year to date. Net premiums written were up 29% for the quarter and 35% for the year. Underwriting income for the quarter was 4 $79,000,000,000 and our adjusted combined ratio was 79%.

Speaker 3

Year to date, we have generated over $1,000,000,000 of underwriting income with an adjusted combined ratio of 77%. Moving now to our Property segment and starting with Property Catastrophes, where catastrophe gross premiums written were up by 26% and net premiums written were up by 16%. This difference relates to the purchase of additional retro and the increased use of our Upsilon vehicle. But let me tell you how I think about this. Year to date property catastrophe gross premiums written were up $675,000,000 or 35%.

Speaker 3

Year to date, net premiums written grew by 24%. However, on a gross to net basis, which gives effect to our joint ventures, our net retain grew by about the same as our gross. The overall property catastrophe adjusted combined ratio was 25% and included 14 percentage points of favorable development predominantly from the 21 through 23 accident years. The current accident year loss ratio was 19%. Events in the quarter, including U.

Speaker 3

S. Severe conductive storm activity and the Taiwan earthquake had a 10 percentage point impact on this ratio. The acquisition expense ratio was up by about 2 percentage points driven by the impact of purchase accounting adjustments and reinstatement premiums. Moving now to other property, where gross premiums written were up by 22% and net premiums written were up by 24% due to the addition of the Validus portfolio. Other property net earned premiums were similar to the Q1 at $400,000,000 Next quarter, we expect other property net premiums earned to be about $360,000,000 as the reductions we made in 2023 to our other property book continue to earn through.

Speaker 3

The other property adjusted combined ratio was 90% and current accident year loss ratio was 62%. The current accident year loss ratio contained a 6 percentage point total impact from U. S. Severe convective storms and the Taiwan earthquake. Current year losses were also higher than expected this quarter due to some non cat events.

Speaker 3

Overall, the other property book has been performing consistently well and we continue to see an attritional loss ratio in the low 50s. Moving now to our casualty and specialty portfolio where gross and net premiums written were up 34% 41% respectively. This growth is largely driven by the renewal of the Validus portfolio in addition to some incremental specialty opportunities offset by reductions in professional liability. Casualty and specialty net burn premiums were $1,600,000,000 up 52%. In the 3rd quarter, we are expecting net earned premiums to be about $1,600,000,000 The casualty and specialty adjusted combined ratio was 95.6%.

Speaker 3

This included 1.5 percentage points of favorable development which stemmed from our cyber, credit and professional liability books. The current accident year loss ratio was 60 7.9%. This included a 3.4 percentage point impact from 2 specific losses within our credit and transactional liability books. Note that the Casualty and Specialty reported underwriting income of $28,000,000 which reflects a $41,000,000 reduction due to purchase accounting adjustments. We continue to expect a mid-90s casualty and specialty adjusted combined ratio on average.

Speaker 3

Moving now to fee income in our Capital Partners business where fee income was $84,000,000 up 48% from the comparable quarter. Management fees were $55,000,000 up 27% largely due to growth in da Vinci and Fontana. Performance fees were $29,000,000 with the favorable development in the quarter driving better than expected results. Fees continue to be a stable source of income for us and in the Q3, we expect management fees to remain around $55,000,000 and performance fees should be in the range of $20,000,000 absent any large loss events. Moving now to investments, Our retained net investment income was $283,000,000 up 6% from the Q1 and up 50% from a year ago.

Speaker 3

This upside from last quarter was driven by a larger asset base, which is benefiting from higher interest rates. We had $82,000,000 of retained mark to market losses in the quarter, largely driven by increased treasury rates. Overall, retained unrealized losses in our fixed maturity investments are $214,000,000,000 or $4.08 per share. Our retained yield to maturity increased to 5.7% from 5.5% last quarter and we have kept retained duration stable at 3.3 years. The net retained investment income return was 5.3%.

Speaker 3

Since the end of the quarter, treasury rates have moderated a bit and we expect retained net investment income for the Q3 to be about flat. Rates on our fixed maturity portfolio remain very attractive. Even if future rate cuts are as expected, our portfolio should continue to generate consistent net investment income in the quarters ahead. And finally, turning to expenses, where the operating expense ratio was 4.3%, which is flat compared to the Q1 but down from a year ago. As I've discussed in the past, we expect the operating expense ratio to stay relatively flat through 2024.

Speaker 3

Corporate expenses were $35,000,000 This contained $17,000,000 from the Validus acquisition which will continue to taper off through the year. As a reminder, these transaction related expenses are excluded from operating income. And in conclusion, this was a strong quarter with significant contributions from each of our 3 drivers of profit. Underwriting income surpassed $1,000,000,000 for the first half. Management and performance fees were $84,000,000 for the Q2 in a row and net investment income rose again and continues to be a stable, significant source of income.

Speaker 3

And as we look forward, we believe that these superior returns can persist for the remainder of this year and into 2025 and we are in an excellent position to continue delivering superior shareholder value. And with that, I'll now turn the call over to David.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Bob, and good morning, everyone. As Kevin discussed, our underwriting team has been focused on retaining the combined RenaissanceRe and Validus business at the persistently attractive rates in terms and conditions we have seen over the last 2 years. With the majority of renewals now complete, we have achieved this goal delivering over $3,000,000,000 of well diversified incremental in force premium from the Validus portfolio, while deepening our partnerships with brokers and clients. This larger diversified portfolio puts us in an excellent position to help our clients manage their biggest risks, while continuing to produce superior returns in the underwriting side. Importantly, portfolio construction is a constant process.

Speaker 1

Even at our larger size, we remain nimble with a focus on capturing attractive opportunities as they arise and exercising discipline as needed to preserve superior returns for our shareholders. This morning, I will provide more context on market conditions and quarterly performance within our Property and Casualty segments. Starting with Property, where we had a successful mid year renewal. As Kevin discussed, there was significant new demand. Supply matched demand, but did not exceed it.

Speaker 1

We retained the combined Renaissance III and Validus portfolio and have grown property catastrophe gross premiums written by 35% year to date. This reflects high success renewing the Valens portfolio, which is the largest contributor to our growth and is the most efficient way for us to grow into this market. We also achieved some incremental growth from new business in our U. S. Cat book.

Speaker 1

Our success in retaining the Validus portfolio is consistent between Q1 and Q2. Reported gross premiums written growth in Q2 is lower than Q1 because the Validus portfolio was more heavily skewed to 1 1 inception than the Renaissance Rebook. The year to date figure is indicative of the overall growth we achieved. We maintained the strong level of rate adequacy that we have been driving since January 1, 2023 and we believe that the market for property catastrophe reinsurance remains highly attractive. Terminate conditions have been stable and retentions have held.

Speaker 1

In aggregate, we estimate that overall rate was down by about 5% with rate about flat at the bottom of programs and down 5% to 10% at the top. Looking forward to 2025, we expect demand will continue to grow as seedings adjust their reinsurance budgets to prevailing market conditions and respond to inflation of underlying insured values. While most of this demand will be at the top end of programs, it will also filter down through towers. We are in a superior position to underwrite this additional demand for several reasons. First, our flexible platform with owned and managed balance sheets.

Speaker 1

This enables us to deploy capital at the top, middle and low end of towers providing a single source of large capacity that clients value while allowing us to optimize our net retained portfolio. 2nd, our risk expertise and the strength and durability of our partnerships which make us a first call market for clients and brokers. Now moving to other property. As Bob mentioned, there are several events this quarter that drove a higher loss ratio, including severe convective storms in the U. S.

Speaker 1

And a 7.4 magnitude earthquake in Taiwan. Losses from U. S. PCS events in the first half approached $40,000,000,000 the 2nd highest since 2011. While these non peak weather events impact the primary market, the effect on our portfolio is muted due to the higher rates and attachment points we achieved in 2023 in the property catastrophe space.

Speaker 1

As we have discussed, we believe that the right level of risk now resides with the right part of the capital chain. By and large, insurance companies are working to construct their portfolios to fund these earnings event losses, while reinsurers provide cover for more severe capital intensive events. The other property business was profitable for the quarter and has been performing very well for the last several quarters due to elevated rates and conservative portfolio positioning. While rate increases for cat driven other property risk have moderated a bit, we continue to find the business attractive. Now moving to Casualty and Specialty.

Speaker 1

The combined Renaissance III Validus portfolio provides us with a larger book of business while maintaining a high degree of diversification within the segment. We enjoy a stronger lead market position and deeper partnerships with clients which will ensure first call status and access to the best risks in the market. The portfolio provides diversifying returns with meaningful contributions to each of our 3 drivers of profit, underwriting profit with low correlation to natural catastrophes, fee income from Fontana and net investment income from reserves generated by the portfolio. An important part of fulfilling our vision of being the best underwriter is knowing when to grow and when to reduce. Each business within casualty and specialty is at a different point in the cycle and we continually manage our participations to achieve the best portfolio mix and balance of risk and reward.

Speaker 1

We see the entire market and gather data on loss development and claims trends as well as forward looking exposure. We use this information to select between risks in any one year and also to scale our participations at different points in the cycle. Specifically, we grew our casualty book in 2020 2021 when the return on risk was most attractive. Even though rates were increasing by 50% or more in some cases, we did not lower our reserving loss ratio significantly. This is due to our prudent reserving process, which is structured to recognize bad news quickly and defer good news until the business seasons.

Speaker 1

In particular, we believe that claims emergence patterns would be volatile following court closures during COVID and that social inflation was likely continue. Our loss picks are independent from what our clients book and are built up from individual claims data, aggregate market data and actuarial judgment. It is still early for these recent years and the business needs more time to season, but so far they are developing within expectations. In addition to cycle management and our prudent reserving process, we have made a depth use of adverse development covers. This has resulted in our net reserve pool being overweighted towards the more favorable years with about 5% of our total reserves exposed to the casualty soft market years of 2014 to 2018.

Speaker 1

More recently, we responded to a deteriorating rate environment in D and O by decreasing this portion of our professional liability business by a meaningful amount. We continue to see rate increases in general liability. In recent years, rates have been keeping up the trend. Currently on some programs, loss inflation is accelerating. We are incorporating this into our pricing in order to ensure we are differentiating between risks and constructing the best portfolio to maintain profitability in the future.

Speaker 1

Looking forward, the focus of our book is increasingly towards specialty and credit where we are seeing the best risk adjusted returns. Within specialty, the Q2 is relatively quiet renewal period, although positive trends from oneone continue with terms and conditions holding and significant growth emanating from the Validus portfolio. In credit, we continue to see healthy underlying performance. Demand for mortgage reinsurance has declined in line with lower origination volumes, but deals remain attractive and we have been

Speaker 2

excellent quarter financially driven by strong underwriting fee and net investment income. We had solid midyear renewals and successfully retained the combined RenaissanceRe and Validus portfolio, while deepening our partnerships with customers. We optimally shaped our underwriting portfolios balance of risk and return objectives. We repurchased our shares at attractive multiples. And lastly, we are confident the current favorable environment will persist into 2025, which will allow us to continue to grow shareholder value at an industry leading pace.

Speaker 2

And with that, we'll open it up for questions. Thanks.

Operator

We will take our first question from Elyse Greenspan with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, thanks. Good morning. My first question is a question on premium growth. You guys emphasize that you're seeing good growth in the legacy Wren as well as in the Validus book of business. From outside the company, when you look at what you guys reported last year, some of the information that we have on Validus from disclosures that are out there, I think some of us struggle a little bit to understand the growth in both businesses.

Speaker 4

Could you just provide some more color to help us understand like the growth that you are seeing in both businesses so far this year?

Speaker 2

Yes. I'll start and then I'll ask Dave to give some commentary as well. We're proud of the growth that we've achieved. If you go back to 1.1, we increased the expectations for growth from $2,700,000,000 to $3,000,000,000 with upside. We have written more than $3,000,000,000 A lot of that as Dave highlighted comes from the Validus acquisition.

Speaker 2

I think the simplest way that we look at growth is from a year to date basis rather than a quarter. So if you're looking at the year to date numbers, they're very strong growth percentages, which reflect that $3,000,000,000 plus additional premium. I think the quarterly number is a little bit misleading just because the Validus portfolio was much more weighted to a 1.1 book compared to a 2nd quarter book. And with that, the portfolio came on a little quicker than what our own portfolio does. Dave, you want to touch a little bit more?

Speaker 1

Yes, exactly. We got pretty much every line that we wanted to out of the

Speaker 5

Ballast portfolio. And then as the demand grew, we

Speaker 1

were able to add some incremental lines beyond that. RenaissanceRe partnership of their business, and that's showing up in fully RenaissanceRe partnership of their business and that's showing up in fully incorporating the Ballows portfolio and also some additional growth.

Speaker 4

Thanks. And then my follow-up is on the Specialty Casualty segment. If I adjust for the 3.4 points that Bob called it seems like your accident year combined ratio ex vova didn't really move much year over year in that casualty specialty book, right? Yet there is a lot of uncertainty right now with economic and social inflation and we're seeing a lot of reserve charges stemming from primary companies. How are you I'm just trying to understand how that's being factored into your loss picks and we just look at that the numbers haven't moved much year over year ex the noise that you highlighted in the Vova?

Speaker 1

Yes. Hi, Elyse. This is David. I'll kick off on that one. The couple of claims that Bob mentioned that are elevating the current accident or loss ratio are claims in subsets of our major classes, which came in this quarter and it led to some volatility.

Speaker 1

And that's normal volatility we might expect in the business. It's nothing that we see as a trend. Overall, we are monitoring casualty trend like we talked about. We our current years are reported we're developing according to expectations and we're confident in our numbers there. We're watching increasing trend in some areas of general liability.

Speaker 1

Those are localized, still driven by the same type of trends that we've observed for several years, driven by auto losses, some auto losses coming into the umbrella layers and we're pricing those into our future renewals to make sure we stay ahead of them.

Speaker 4

And then one really quick one, the $94,000,000 of professional lines business you guys called out as a return of premium of some sort, did that have any impact on the casualty specialty margin in the quarter?

Speaker 3

No, it's not. It's negligible. I mean these are normal adjustments based off of estimates that we have and what we think the client will underwrite for risk attaching. The adjustments tend to happen across all lines of businesses except when you have large swings or large changes in trend, which is what you saw in professional liabilities. It was a negative adjustment, but the impact on underwriting margin is nominal.

Speaker 3

It's very minimal. There is one question, Elyse. I'd like to go back on growth. Your comment on year over year comparability and the gross written premium was the under Validus' control last year and is under our control this year. There was a difference in how they recognized the quota share on a gross written basis.

Speaker 3

It was difference. It doesn't change the risk and it doesn't change the underwriting margin. It just affects the top line optics and you'll see this this year over last year until you get into the Q4 of this year.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Josh Shanker with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Yes. Thank you. I'd like to dig in a little bit of David's comments a little bit more and talk about the loss ratio or the current year loss ratio in the Cavity segment, obviously deteriorated. In 1Q, you had the George and then the Baltimore Bridge disaster, but we didn't have many items in that this quarter. What's going on in the margins there?

Speaker 6

And is there just conservatism given what we're hearing from other underwriters about loss trends getting worse for recent accident years?

Speaker 3

Let me let me try and address that one, Josh. In my prepared comments, you heard me talk about, while we acknowledge it was $28,000,000 in underwriting income and there was $6,000,000 in the Q1 if you go back and you want to refer to the bridge. Included in both of those numbers for casualty was amortization purchase accounting of over $40,000,000 And that's why we show an adjusted combined ratio in the mid-90s. That's why it's 95.6 versus 98. That's really to show the cash on cash differential.

Speaker 3

So I would look through and you can probably go back and look at the adjusted combined ratio against the 1,000,000,000 and a half of net earned premium. That's how you get to that number.

Speaker 6

And so given that situation when the net versus accounting goes out 1 year from now, it's going to have a step function difference?

Speaker 3

It will continue to step down each quarter. But by the Q4 of next year, it will come off significantly and be probably less than half of that.

Speaker 6

Okay. I'll try and do that math. And then

Speaker 3

Mainly in the acquisition ratio.

Speaker 5

But what about

Speaker 2

the loss

Speaker 6

ratio? Specifically, the loss ratio feels elevated relative to expectations given that there were no casualty caps in the quarter and whatnot. Am I mistaken about that impression?

Speaker 1

Yes. Josh, this is David. You're right that there were a couple of points like Bob mentioned. It's a couple of one off claims that are involved in subsets of our major classes. So, there's just inherently more volatility there.

Speaker 1

Two claims were reported, so we booked those in the current year. It is indicative of the volatility we would expect from time to time in the current year loss ratio.

Speaker 2

I think one of the important things is there's event like losses that can happen and then there's shifts in our curve and changes in trend. None of this has changed our curves. These are just single losses in relatively small books of business.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you. Any more color on that would always be appreciated. And then on the Property business, I was maybe a bit surprised there was any large event disclosure this quarter. And one of the things that was triggered was a number of aggregate covers, I suppose.

Speaker 6

I thought the market was moving away from aggregate covers over the last couple of years. Can you talk about what your appetite is for writing that business and how well priced it is given where it was a couple of years ago?

Speaker 1

Hey, Josh, I can comment on that. This is David. There is very little appetite in the market for aggregate covers. There are some that attach at proper catastrophic levels, but aggregate covers that will provide the earnings level protection that will respond to the smaller caps that we're seeing happen, the severe convective storms and the other things that happened in the quarter. Those are not really existent in the market these

Speaker 6

days. But, yes, they existed in you have them in your losses in this quarter, yes?

Speaker 2

No. I think we call that the Taiwan earthquake and it was an elevated quarter for PCS events. But it's not coming from what we would what was written in the market in 2022 and prior. Those low aggregate deals are not a component a significant component of the loss that as Dave mentioned, is not really something that comes in from the market. No, I know.

Speaker 2

Since some of the Midwest regionals are structured as aggregates, but they're not what would be the traditional aggregate that was exposing reinsurers prior to 2020. They're smallish companies that are have an aggregate component to their program, but it's not the same low aggregates that were in the market from 20 2. These are much more appropriately appropriate level of retentions and narrow tend to be more narrow in the geographic footprint.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thanks for the answers.

Speaker 5

Yes.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Ryan Tunis with Autonomous Research. Please go

Speaker 7

ahead. Hi. Good morning, guys. Just a question, I guess, on Specialty. So if I look at the current accident year loss ratio over the past 5 quarters, we've had kind of 2 different types of quarters.

Speaker 7

There's 3 that have been 67 plus and there's 2 that have been 63. Is it fair to say that the 63 is more of the favorable scenario where you kind of over earn on the specialty and the $67,000,000 is kind of more like the normal with the type of specialty losses over time that you'd expect?

Speaker 1

I think the range you noted, Ryan, this is David. The range you noted is the normal volatility that can happen with the diversification of the portfolio. There will always be losses that come in, some ups and some downs in the quarter, some current year, some prior year, and that range is not something that concerns us.

Speaker 5

Got it.

Speaker 7

And then I guess just for Kevin, maybe just a little bit more texture on the competitive environment right now in terms of like the type of capital you're seeing coming into the market. I mean, there's a lot of cap on issuance this quarter, not sure what to read to that. But yes, I mean, how has that been evolving? Is it still pretty much as disciplined as it's been? Or are you seeing some changes in the capital composition?

Speaker 2

So, capital is always coming into the industry. We've created a lot of capital that we're happy to deploy into the market. But the what I mentioned in my comments, we also saw $20,000,000,000 of new limit purchased. So what we're seeing is a pretty balanced market between the amount of capital that's looking to be deployed and the demand that's coming to the market. So I think the reset and one of the things I think is important to touch on the reset in pricing that happened in 2023 is persistent in the market.

Speaker 2

And like any financial market, we're trading around a new level, but we're not on a negative trend back to the 22 pricing. I think we always watch supply and demand dynamics. And I think particularly in the property cat market, it's relatively it's in a good state of equilibrium.

Speaker 7

And Sarkar, you said in your prepared remarks that terms and conditions were relatively unchanged. If there was any change on the margin, like what I guess what were you meaning by that? If there was anything, what was incremental?

Speaker 2

Dave, do you want to touch on that?

Speaker 1

Yes, definitely. I mean, the most important thing is that the retentions held. I mean, the retentions are the piece that allows us to continue to construct the portfolio and be removed from attritional losses. And that's the most important thing that we're focused on.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Bob Huang with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey, good morning. I'm going to shift gears a little bit to maybe repurchase. Really. So first of all, thank you for the opening remark on repurchase. But if I can just dig a little bit deeper on that.

Speaker 8

A lot of folks are expecting a fairly active hurricane season. It feels a little unusual that you would buy this much shares right ahead hurricane season? And just given the continuous repurchase you're doing so far, should we kind of interpret this as a level of comfort you have around your balance sheet? Maybe just a little bit more color on the strategy and the tactics around the repurchase?

Speaker 3

I'll point you back. This is Bob. I'll point you back to my capital base significantly. So, we've had the ability to deploy that capital. So, and still generate 28% return ROE, I feel great about.

Speaker 3

We have been freeing up some liquidity with the integration of Validus and that includes bringing up capital. And so we've seen some attractive opportunities to go back in and buy the capital. As I said in my closing comments in that section was, we had the luxury of being able to grow into attractive markets that Kevin and David talked about with also the ability to buy back shares at good value.

Speaker 8

Okay. So there's really no

Speaker 3

Nothing's changed in our capital allocation process.

Speaker 8

Okay. No, really appreciate that. Thank you. That's actually all for me.

Speaker 3

Thanks. Thank

Operator

you. We'll take our next question from Yaron Kinar with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Thank you. Good morning. I want to go back to growth for a second and I realize it may be difficult for us as outsiders to figure out what organic growth was like given the maybe different seasonality in the Valdez book. But nonetheless, I think we are seeing a considerable slowdown in organic. And I'm wondering, does that tie to your comments about moving maybe to higher tail risk?

Speaker 9

And if so, can you offer us maybe a way to think about more of an apples to apples comparison of growth and the opportunity set that you're going after in property?

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks for the question, Aaron. The way we think about building our portfolio is we look at it on a pro form a basis and then try to design a portfolio that has kind of the best set of returns across the full distribution of outcomes. Growth certainly played a big part in that this year. Capital management, the way we structured, the risk on our partner balance sheets and the way we used our ceded.

Speaker 2

So I would say there's not a lot that's changed in our appetite for how we've built the portfolio. Your question between organic and inorganic, I think we've been disciplined to say the size of the portfolio that we would likely create. There is a very heavy overlap between what Validus wrote and what RenRe wrote prior to the acquisition. That's one of the reasons we like the portfolio so much. So I would say that our ability to land $3 plus 1,000,000,000 of premium, we could categorize that as more organic growth because there's always changes across what Validus legacy wrote and what RenRe legacy wrote.

Speaker 2

But we think it's a cleaner way to talk about it as largely attributing it to the Validus portfolio.

Speaker 9

Okay. And then maybe shifting to Casualty and Specialty. I am curious, just given the or maybe let me reframe this. You did mention that the reserve weighting is to the more favorable and more recent accident years. That being said, we are seeing some industry pressure emerge for accident years 'twenty one through 'twenty three, particularly for any thing auto related and then GL.

Speaker 9

So can you maybe talk about how you're seeing those accident years develop?

Speaker 1

Yes. Hi, this is David. Like I said in my prepared comments, those accident years are developing within our expectations. They are still green and we need to continue to lift them a season, but that's the good sign so far. When we construct our overall portfolio and want to ensure that it's resilient to things like inflation, there are several things that we think about.

Speaker 1

1, we have to construct the portfolio to avoid the risks like commercial auto that are really most in the crosshairs of the plaintiff's bar. We also then use cycle management like we talked about in order to have the highest weighted portion of our risk when return on risk is the best. We've used adverse development covers in order to manage risk in some areas. And depends also the reserving process. And we recognize bad news early, we didn't take down our loss picks significantly even though rates were going up and would have pointed to a potentially lower expected loss ratio.

Speaker 1

That just leads to an overall stronger pool of reserves, which is more resilient in an inflationary environment.

Speaker 9

And maybe just to clarify, when you say the you've not really seen the exiting years 'twenty one through 'twenty three develop much and they are still green. That's true for GL and any auto related reserves as well?

Speaker 1

We don't really write commercial auto. So, it's more liability. Commercial auto would be a subset of general liability, but we don't write commercial.

Speaker 9

Right. Yes. I was just thinking through excess liability. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We will take our next question from Brian Meredith with UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thank you. I'd like

Speaker 10

to just clarify quickly. You didn't have any adverse development on 2020 to 2023 this quarter in Catalina and Specialty?

Speaker 3

We're going to have puts and takes across the portfolios, but nothing significant that was really anything to read into, Brian. There's always going to be puts and takes.

Speaker 10

Thanks. I just want to clarify that. And then I'm just curious on the Casualty and Specialty, I appreciate you calling out the couple of the losses that happened. But I'm just curious, when I think of those types of losses, wouldn't they typically be kind of in your loss expectations, just the kind of business that you guys write? Or is the casualty and specialty business you've got something that will have these but fors fairly regularly?

Speaker 10

I'm just trying to understand that a little bit more as to why these are unusual in the businesses you write?

Speaker 2

Yes. It's a good question. I think there's always an actuarial judgment as to whether when a loss comes in whether it's contemplated in the curve or not. These are kind of weird losses and they're in relatively small portfolios. So when thinking about how we initially built the curves for those, the development curves, these really were something extraordinary and outside of it.

Speaker 2

So, we decided to book them above the attritional.

Speaker 5

That makes sense.

Speaker 2

It's nothing it's not I don't consider that unusual. And I would say if these were a bigger portfolio and more traditional losses, they would have been just absorbed within the attritional.

Speaker 10

That makes sense. And I wanted to just quick follow-up. David, I think you mentioned that the way the Validus kind of renewals happened kind of

Speaker 5

Yes. Especially

Speaker 1

Yes, especially with reference to property cat, the book is pretty much 100% renewed. So, the written premium that we see in that percentage growth is the closest proxy for annual. Great. Thank you. Thanks, Brian.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Meyer Shields with KBW. Go ahead.

Speaker 5

Pardon me. Thank you. Just a follow-up on that, is there any way of quantifying sort of the difference in gross written premium based on the accounting differences that you have with legacy Valada?

Speaker 3

No, we haven't talked about that. The biggest correction that was made on the adjustment was in the purchase accounting when we started that in the Q4 and then into the Q1. But it would reflect in Q1, for example, would have shown a lot higher on the balance of size than we

Speaker 7

would have shown.

Speaker 5

Okay. Fair enough. All right. And I guess I guess I guess I'm going to add

Speaker 3

The way intuitive to think about it is, ours is slower. You know, those like think about excess of loss. It comes in, in the quarter from a written standpoint that it's written, whereas quota shares come in over time. They use the quota shares similar in excess of loss on the written side. It's all lumped into the renewal period.

Speaker 5

Right. We're just getting a lot of questions in terms of differences in premium production compared to expectations and I was looking for a way of ballparking that. But second question, I guess, Kevin, you made some comments about moving

Speaker 2

One thing I'll say, we haven't changed our accounting. That's the way we've always done it.

Speaker 5

No. I totally understand. I was hoping to go a little deeper into your comments about maybe moving away from some of the lower layer risks in terms of expected returns that are there and maybe how impactful that is on potential premiums as this new approach is implemented?

Speaker 2

I missed the part about the premium?

Speaker 5

Yes. So as you move away from those risks, presumably, the change in approaching some premiums that we had last year are not going to manifest this year?

Speaker 2

Yes. So there's a I'll start kind of at the industry level and then to our execution. As Dave commented, in 2023, retentions increased pretty substantially and prices increased. Both of those provide a buffer to the income statement because risk is more remote and we have more premium to cover for when losses emerge. Our portfolio shaping then which really came in with regard to using different vehicles, so we deployed Upsilon to a greater degree this year and that through ceded premium.

Speaker 2

We upsized our ceded from where we originally had targeted in our first pro form a. And then the balance of risk between us and our partner balance sheets more broadly was optimized to again steepen the risk curve so that if there's smaller events as I highlighted we will have a lower market share compared to larger events. And that's what we mean by steepening. So the income statement will have a lower percentage market share exposure than the balance sheet, but both are down from a percent of equity basis.

Speaker 5

Okay. Understood. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1

Sure.

Operator

Thank you. We will take our next question from Charlie Liddieres with Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Thank you. So one large broker recently noted in the insurance media that reinsurers might be willing to write lower down layer at oneone in property and specialty, effectively starting to provide some earnings protection there. Can you talk on whether you're seeing that in the market being discussed and maybe whether your appetite may change as well given the more diversified book of business in 3rd party capital?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think buyers would like to have lower retention. So there's always from a broker's perspective an opportunity to sell something there. I think the market if there are lower layers sold, the market will be disciplined. So I'm not particularly concerned about an overall shift to the retention levels that were available in 2022.

Speaker 2

If there's buy downs on programs, we're happy to look for them. And we also have different vehicles that might be a better home for it rather than our own balance sheets. I wouldn't say we're seeing that actively at this point, but there's always conversations about where the retention is. And I think the broker is seizing that as an opportunity where they're potentially have an opportunity for some growth there. Dave, you'd add anything?

Speaker 1

No, I agree. I think most of the demand will come as new top layers and we continue to expect that to happen. We're able to play across the spectrum. So we have capital for the top layers and then we're able to optimize our net position throughout the tower as

Speaker 2

that suits us.

Speaker 11

Got it. Thanks. And I guess,

Speaker 7

different question. Just if

Speaker 11

we look at the operating non controlling interest that you disclosed in the sub kind of as a percentage of operating income. It seems like that was at the lowest level, I think it's been since you began disclosing this. Can you talk about what's driving that or if there's anything underlying that that's notable?

Speaker 3

Yeah, just a second here. Give me a second here. Let me just pull something out here.

Speaker 2

That's a compliment. MZI always a little tricky. I think this has to do a little bit with our sessions or the risk sharing we're doing with some of our 3rd party capital partners particularly da Vinci. But why don't we come back to you on that? That's kind of a

Speaker 1

technical question for us to kind of wrestle through. Okay. Okay.

Operator

We will take our next question from Mike Zaremski with BMO. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, thanks. Good morning. Back to the commentary you gave on demand in the U. S. For limit.

Speaker 5

I guess, if we just think about the current inflationary environment on personal lines, for example, there's still teens increases, a lot of labor inflation. So it makes sense that you're kind of talking about from an outlook viewpoint that demand remains healthy in 'twenty five. But can you you said demand in the U. S. Went up by $20,000,000,000 I believe.

Speaker 5

Can you give us what the denominator was? And so like do you expect the pace of demand to actually increase potentially in 2025 when we think about those dynamics or maybe some perspective around the actual demand growth versus historical? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Sure. The so I think demand has been a bit of a seesaw coming back where market hasn't been able to they have more desire to purchase cover than they had wallet to purchase it. I think as rates are coming through on the primary market, we're seeing people being executing on their desire to purchase more limit. It's been very constructive for us with particularly top layer and Vermeer. You've also seen elevated CAD product issuance as well.

Speaker 2

I would say that the market in the U. S. For property cat limits probably just above right around 1 $60,000,000,000 $160,000,000,000 So it's probably what's at a 15% growth rate or something like that.

Speaker 5

Got it. Okay. That's helpful. And switching gears to investment income, and I hope this is a fair question, but if I look at the guidance you guys gave on the call last quarter, you talked about retained investment income being relatively flat. It wasn't flat, it went up despite, I believe, yields going down a bit since you gave that.

Speaker 5

And maybe somebody you can I know you're giving flattish guidance again for next quarter, but maybe you can just describe what caused it to be up this quarter?

Speaker 3

Thanks. I think I tried to cover that in my prepared comments. The asset levels have grown and with the higher rates we were able to achieve, dollars 15,000,000 more in the retained investment portfolio, plus a little bit of the exchange. But the duration stayed about the same.

Speaker 5

So it was the asset side that you didn't guide you that we needed to do.

Speaker 1

Okay. Thank

Operator

you. Thank you. We'll take our next question from Andrew Kilgeman with TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, thanks for getting me in. Quick follow-up on Brian's question earlier on casualty. It was an interesting response. You said there were weird losses in relatively small portfolios. Any chance you could give a little texture on the types of claims and the limits that you paid out on those claims?

Speaker 2

I think that's more detailed than probably makes sense. What we're trying to give is an understanding of how the business is performing. If you look at our casualty portfolio, there's GL, there's some big lines in there that are relatively homogeneous and then there's transactions that come up for people who are trying to come up creative products and build portfolios. The and one of them is really in that category. It was an emerging business where we were working with them to come up with a way for us to provide some capacity to see if the market would develop more broadly.

Speaker 2

So, a very small portfolio and unique loss and an unfortunate loss in an area that we were looking to see if we could make the pie bigger for the reinsurance market and sell some additional types of coverages.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thanks for that. And then maybe more broadly the main topic. Any way to and you have such a broad casualty portfolio, but any way to kind of get a sense of the average limits that you're writing and maybe the range of limits?

Speaker 1

Hi, this is David. I'll take that one. So we write a broad spread of casualty across general liability and professional liability. A lot of that business is quota share. So if an insurer puts out a $10,000,000 limit and we have 10% of that, then we have $1,000,000 on each of their risks.

Speaker 1

It's a portfolio that has a lot of that in it and then gets aggregated up like Kevin said into homogeneous groups that all that then can be tracked all as one. I mean, when we look at this, when we make those risk decisions, we're seeing the entire market and then we're building up our view of risk both from the top down and bottom up and then placing our bets or constructing our portfolio in order to have the highest return on risk. So it's less about any one limit and it's more about how we structure the portfolio within a class and over time.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thanks a lot. Thanks.

Operator

We'll take our next question from David Motomativ with Evercore. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hey, thanks. Good morning. Thanks for squeezing me in. Sure. I just was hoping you could elaborate a little bit on the casualty book and how closely you guys have been working with the cedents just to stay up on loss activity and actual to expected within those portfolios?

Speaker 9

Any changes you've made just given the distortions in the environment would be interesting to learn?

Speaker 1

Definitely. It's a great question and it's part of what we do in our day to day underwriting process. We track actual versus expected. We also are able to benchmark clients' data against the whole market and that is an advantage we have over say an insurance company that may only have access to their own data. We see the entire market and collate that data and then develop our independent view.

Speaker 1

It is really an essential piece of how we think about scaling our participations over time and then picking between risks. And that's been shown up in things like avoiding commercial auto, the recent reductions and as the rates have reduced, that's a portfolio shift that we've made and things like that as a constant part of the underwriting process.

Speaker 9

Got it. Thank you. And then just maybe just lastly, you spoke about having higher dollar value of Southeast wind risk, but lower on a percentage of equity basis. You just talk about why you're not willing to take that up on a percentage of equity basis if returns are so solid? Is that just more active management ahead of a potentially active wind season?

Speaker 9

Or some color around that would be helpful.

Speaker 2

Yes. I think it was what we're trying to do is get the best set of returns across the full distribution of outcomes. We actually had more success than we anticipated in some of the retro purchasing that we had. So in looking at that, we were able to kind of leverage into a steeper curve, which I think a small piece of this would be our thoughts on an active wind season. But it didn't hurt to think that the income statement is a little bit more protected going into what's an active season.

Speaker 2

But it really was about our ability to see transparently how the book we're writing and the things that we're using to hedge it can shift the curve and look at the returns across that distribution. So it's very small pieces is the elevated frequency expected and a big piece of it was a way to shape the portfolio to enhance returns.

Speaker 9

Understood. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Sure. Actually, I think we can go back to Charlie's question from earlier regarding the NCI.

Speaker 3

Yes, Charlie. I think going back to the NCI, look, nothing's changed in our relationship with any of our vehicles. We still have the same principles in which we match the risk with the capital that that JV is subscribed to. Actually, like for example, when you look at da Vinci, they've actually benefited from the profitability that we've seen in the low catastrophe environment. We've seen the NCI that accretes to our joint venture partners has actually increased.

Speaker 3

Like DaVinci has increased from by $225,000,000 to $300,000,000 You can see it in the supplemental, it went from $59,000,000 year over year to $150,000,000 year over year quarter. So the value proposition for our joint ventures has been reflected as well as what you've seen in our results as well.

Operator

And there are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the floor back over to Kevin O'Donnell for any additional or closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you for joining today's call. Hopefully, what came across is our excitement and enthusiasm for the portfolio that we created and the opportunities for continued strong performance. So thank you for joining the call and we look forward to speaking to you next quarter.

Operator

Thank you. And this concludes the RenaissanceRe Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call and Webcast. Please disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day.

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