VeriSign Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 25, 2024

There are 6 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, everyone. Welcome to VeriSign's Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. Recording of this call is not permitted unless preauthorized. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr.

Operator

David Atchley, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Treasurer. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Welcome to VeriSign's 2nd quarter 2024 earnings call. Joining me are Jim Bidzos, Executive Chairman, President and CEO and George Kilgus, Executive Vice President and CFO. This call and presentation are being webcast from the Investor Relations website, which is available under About VeriSign on verisign.com. There you will also find our earnings release.

Speaker 1

At the end of this call, the presentation will be available on that site and within a few hours, the replay of the call will be posted. Financial results in our earnings release are unaudited and our remarks include forward looking statements that are subject to the risks and uncertainties that we discuss in detail in our documents filed with the SEC, specifically the most recent report on Form 10 ks. VeriSign does not update financial performance or guidance during the quarter unless it is done through a public disclosure. The financial results in today's call and the matters we will be today include GAAP results and 2 non GAAP measures used by VeriSign, adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow. GAAP to non GAAP reconciliation information is appended to the slide presentation, which can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website available after this call.

Speaker 1

Jim and George will provide some prepared remarks and afterward, we will open the call for your questions. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Jim.

Speaker 2

Thank you, David. Good afternoon to everyone and thank you for joining us. Before we cover results, I'd like to note that last week we marked 27 years of 100 percent uninterrupted availability for the dotcom.netdomainnameresolutionsystem. This milestone represents an unparalleled achievement in our industry for operating secure, stable and resilient DNS infrastructure. For well over a quarter of a century, amidst some of the most technologically significant changes the world has ever experienced, our teams have successfully built, maintained, operated and evolved the infrastructure that enables 100 of 1,000,000,000 of queries a day and supports 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars in global commerce.

Speaker 2

In fact, we answer on average 328,000,000,000 queries per day, billion with a B, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 3 65 days a year. That's over 3,700,000 per second. We do this amidst ever increasing Internet demand and resilience, evolving technology and a challenging global cyber threat environment. Turning now to our results, we delivered another quarter of operational and financial stability by 2nd quarter, revenues grew 4.1% year over year, operating income grew 7.1% year over year and earnings per share grew 12.3% year over year. At the end of June, the domain name base in dotcomand.net totaled 170,600,000 domain names.

Speaker 2

During the Q2, the domain name base decreased by 1 point 8000000 names. From a new registration perspective, the 2nd quarter ended with 9,200,000 new registrations compared with 10,200,000 names for the same quarter last year. The renewal rate for the Q2 of 2024 is

Speaker 3

2024 is expected to be

Speaker 2

approximately 72.6% compared to 73.4% a year ago. As we have previously reported, we continue to see U. S. Registrars prioritize ARPU over customer acquisition through higher retail pricing levels and reduced spend on marketing to new customers compared with prior years. These factors impacting new registrations are impacting new registrations and renewal rates and are leading to weaker trends in 20 24 that are below our original expectations.

Speaker 2

During the Q2, the U. S. Region was lowered by about 800,000 names. In addition and as expected, China related weakness continues and contributed to most of the remaining sequential decline in the Q2. The domain name base from our EMEA region was up slightly during the Q2.

Speaker 2

We have rolled out new registrar marketing programs over the past several weeks to support our registrars and our goal of returning to domain name base growth in the second half of 2025. However, given the ongoing impact of the factors we've mentioned, we now expect the change in the domain name base to be between negative 3% to a negative 2% for full year 2024. Our financial and liquidity position continues to remain stable with $690,000,000 in cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities at the end of the quarter. During the Q2, we repurchased 2 point 2,000,000 shares for $388,000,000 Effective today, the Board of Directors has increased the amount authorized for share repurchase of VeriSign common stock by $1,110,000,000 to a total of $1,500,000,000 authorized and available under the share repurchase program, which has no expiration. And now I'd like to turn the call over to George.

Speaker 2

I'll return when George has completed his financial report with closing remarks.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Jim, and good afternoon, everyone. For the quarter ended June 30, 2024, the company generated revenue of $387,000,000 up 4.1% from the same quarter of 2023 and delivered operating income of $266,000,000 an increase of 7.1% from the same quarter a year ago. Operating expense in the Q2 of 2024 totaled $121,000,000 for the 3 months and $246,000,000 for the 6 months ended June 30, which compares to $123,000,000 in the Q2 of 2023 $246,000,000 for the 1st 2 quarters a year ago. Net income in the 2nd quarter totaled $199,000,000 compared to $186,000,000 a year earlier, which produced diluted earnings per share of $2.01 for the Q2 of 2024 compared to $1.79 for the same quarter of 2023. Operating cash flow for the Q2 was $160,000,000 and free cash flow was $151,000,000 compared to with $145,000,000 $139,000,000 respectively in the year ago quarter.

Speaker 4

I'll now discuss our updated full year 2024 guidance. Revenue is now expected to be in the range of $1,553,000,000 to $1,563,000,000 Operating income is now expected to be between $1,048,000,000 $1,058,000,000 Interest expense and non operating income net, which includes interest income estimates, is still expected to be an expense of between $25,000,000 to $35,000,000 Capital expenditures are still expected to be between $30,000,000 to $40,000,000 And the GAAP effective tax rate is still expected to be between 21% 24%. Overall, VeriSign continued to demonstrate sound financial performance during the Q2. Now I'll turn the call back to Jim for his closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, George. While we expect that the change in the domain name base for 2020 4 will be below prior year levels for the reasons we've discussed, we continue to believe our business fundamentals remain. As I mentioned earlier, we continue to introduce additional registrar marketing programs to target and support improvement in new registration trends once adopted and integrated into registrar go to market activities. Our goal is to fulfill our stewardship mission of providing secure and reliable infrastructure services, managing our business responsibly and efficiently returning capital to our shareholders remain unchanged and support our commitment to deliver consistent financial results. Thank you for your attention today.

Speaker 2

This concludes our prepared remarks. And now we'll open the call for your questions. Operator, we're ready for the first question.

Operator

Thank We will take our first question from Rob Oliver with Baird.

Speaker 3

Great. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I've got a few and then I'll hop back into the queue. Jim, I guess the first question would be, you talked a little bit about some of the activity at the registrars particularly in North America and the focus on ARPU.

Speaker 3

Can you talk about the view out there that perhaps newer gTLDs are taking share from dotcom and what you're seeing in the data that gives you either a concern there or that would dissuade you from that view and then add a couple others?

Speaker 2

Okay. So ARPU, well the primary ARPU is about the primary factor in the U. S. Weakness remains a registrar focus on ARPU and their reduced spend on marketing, 2 components there. These factors are having a bigger impact and last longer than we originally expected earlier this year.

Speaker 2

The unregulated retail channel has increased prices more than twice our limited wholesale pricing flexibility with some increasing 3 times or more. Also, we've seen some registrars focus on margin through price increases to the overall bundle. In addition, they've reduced marketing expenditures. So while our limited price increases on comp may have had an impact, we think the wholesale price impact is small relative to the overall price increases and other actions taken by the unregulated retail channel in the U. S.

Speaker 2

In relation to the new gTLD taking market share question, very loss very low cost new gTLDs seem to be picking up some of the monetization demand, primarily from China. I would just add that there's a thriving market of ccTLDs and new gTLDs. There are 33,000,000 of them. But these names tend to have lower renewal rates and lower lifetime values compared to traditional cohorts. Some of these are the more speculative names that we're seeing a decline in demand from our China registrar base.

Speaker 2

And let me remind you that new gTLDs operate under very different and more flexible contracts. They're allowed to offer special deals to individual registrars. Some offer very low initial and renewal pricing. They can reserve and sell premiums anytime that they want. They're not as transparent.

Speaker 2

Very few are public companies. And it's important to note that there's a difference between a registry operator like us and some registries which are really registry marketers. They basically don't run a registry, but they outsource those operations to a back end service provider who does it for them. So they tend to have very low overhead. Some of them have very, very few employees.

Speaker 2

They can sell these TLDs at very, very low prices and still be profitable. Again, they're not public companies, so we don't have much visibility, but we can we certainly understand that these are factors in the market. So, you need to look a little bit closer to really get the accurate picture there.

Speaker 3

Got it. Okay. Very helpful, Jim. I appreciate all the color. 2 other from me, if I may.

Speaker 3

The second would be, so something that just came out today, there was a congressional letter to the NTIA asking for them to review the contract for dotcom. It's been our understanding that they can ask all they want, but there's no legal ground. But that follows, I guess, an earlier report from a think tank in New York also suggesting the same. So just wanted to get your reaction to that letter which came out today.

Speaker 2

We've seen the letter and the questions to NTIA. So I can't speak for NTIA, but our reaction was that questions do typically occur every 6 years around the renewal of the dotcomregistryagreement. Some of the questions in the letter are about wholesale.compriceincreases. As you know, our pricing is completely transparent and regulated. Since 2018, the comm wholesale price has gone up $1.74 Our research shows that the benefit from our wholesale prices is not always passed on to consumers either in the retail market where as I just mentioned prices have gone up more than twice as much as the wholesale price increases or in the secondary market where the average price for a dotcom domain is estimated to be $1600 or about 166 times today's wholesale price.

Speaker 2

Academic research sizes the secondary market at over $2,000,000,000 that's with a B, dollars 2,000,000,000 per year, which exceeds VeriSign's revenue. And unlike any actor in the secondary market, you know that VeriSign, as all of you know, VeriSign operates critical infrastructure, which helps to enable the global digital economy. We understand that one of these secondary market players has warehoused about 4,800,000 dotcom domains for resale on a secondary market. The businesses that buy these dotcom domains on the secondary market at high prices pass the cost on to consumers. So while we expect questions about wholesale prices and we'll do our best to assist if asked by NTIA, the issue of retail and especially secondary market pricing is an important part of the discussion of the comm domain name market that hasn't been sufficiently addressed yet.

Speaker 3

Okay. That's extremely helpful. I guess the ultimate question that we get most often from investors would be, is there a risk to the dotcom contract and your most recent thoughts on that would be great? Thanks, Jim.

Speaker 2

Well, in a word, no, there's not. There's no provision in the cooperative agreement to rebid.com. And we believe that Amendment 35 is clear that should the DOC decide to sunset the cooperative agreement, which we're not seeking, then VeriSign would continue to operate the COM Registry under the ICANN contract, which like all ICANN agreements has a presumptive right of renewal.

Speaker 3

Okay. That's really helpful. I have maybe 1 or 2 other, but I'll hop back in the queue. So thank you guys very much. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

We will take our next question from Ygal Arounian with Citigroup.

Speaker 5

Hey, thanks guys. Good afternoon. So similarly, we've lately been getting most of our questions around the agreements both the issuing with ICANN and the Cooperative Agreement with the Department of Commerce. And so maybe just an opportunity to clarify, these are 2 separate contracts. Are they interrelated at all?

Speaker 5

The date that the DOC would have to give you notice on whether if they're not renewing the cooperative agreement, is that August 2, just to clarify? And then the part that people, I guess investors are most confused about lately is where the pricing part of the contract sits. Does that sit with the Department of Commerce? Does that sit within the ICANN contract? Meaning, if the Department of Commerce sunsets the cooperative agreement, what happens to the pricing?

Speaker 5

Where does that get negotiated or dealt with? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Okay. Thanks, Yigal. So maybe it would just be helpful if I briefly covered what the two contracts are at a very high level and briefly on the interest of time and what their interrelationship is. I think that was the first thing that you asked me. So the cooperative agreement is between VeriSign and the NTIA Department of Commerce.

Speaker 2

And that contract in the past prior to 2018 was a contract that oversaw the conditions of renewal with our registry agreement with ICANN. So after we negotiated with ICANN to exercise our presumptive right of renewal, the NTIA had to approve what we did. In 2018, Amendment 35 basically gave ongoing a priori consent to do that provided that we didn't change certain provisions of the registry agreement with ICANN. The first one was that we not change the termination provisions, not change the performance requirements that we had to deliver and not change the pricing. And so that pricing in 2018 was a limited ability to raise prices.

Speaker 2

And through Amendment 3 to the contract with ICANN that new pricing that was permitted in 2018 is now part of the COM Registry Agreement. So therefore, the Cooperative Agreement has 3 outcomes. 1 is that, as it's coming up for renewal here. Renewal is sort of a different word. It's not quite like the ICANN agreement.

Speaker 2

The Department of Commerce has the unilateral right to sunset the cooperative agreement if it chooses to. And that has to give notice that it tends it intends to do so. We don't seek by the way the sunset. I think renewal is sort of a stranger. It's an evergreen renewal.

Speaker 2

If nothing is done, the contract automatically renews under the exact same provisions that it has, which is that we can get our business done with ICANN and renew the comm agreement provided we don't change those three things, which we never seek to do. However, as I said, they could sunset it and they have to give notice and I believe that's the right date. I haven't looked at that part of the contract in a while, but I think that's that August date is the right one. So if they choose to sunset it, they have to give notice and I believe that's the date by which they must give notice so that the contract which will either expire or renew, that would be at the end of November. So if they want to sunset it, they would give notice by August 2nd.

Speaker 2

If they do nothing, the contract will automatically renew for another 6 years with all of its provisions intact. Those are the outcomes that can't be changed unless we mutually agree to whatever changes. So that's the cooperative agreement. The ICANN agreement, although separate as you can see now requires that we don't change those three things, which we never seek to do. And with ICANN, like every one of the 100, actually 1000 of registry agreements, they all contain a presumptive right of renewal.

Speaker 2

And that we've exercised most recently with dotnet, relatively straightforward renewal. And I think we got a question on the last call, so maybe I anticipate that you're thinking it. We are engaged with ICANN. We are very much engaged in preparing the .com registry which comes up for renewal by November 30. So we're well in advance of that and we're working on it.

Speaker 2

I hope that answers your question.

Speaker 5

It does. And I know it's a multi part of the question. Just to be clear, again, the wholesale pricing component right now sits between VeriSign and ICANN in the registry agreement. Is that correct?

Speaker 2

Well, it was negotiated with the Department of Commerce in 2018 and through Amendment 3 in 2020, it was moved into the COM agreement as it's required to do. Those changes in the Cooperative Agreement pass on yet. So and we can't change them in our negotiations with ICANN. So they stay as does the performance requirements and as do the termination provisions. And you can see how all those work together.

Speaker 5

Yes, understood. There's a lot of legal elements here. So that's

Speaker 2

It's a bit tricky, but yes, no, I understand. But if you look carefully at the different components, the outcomes sort of are pretty straightforward.

Speaker 5

Yes. Understood. And that's really helpful clarification. Thank you. I want to ask about the marketing that you're doing with the right insurance in the U.

Speaker 5

S. I know you're saying it's just a couple of weeks, but maybe there's and the outcome is not going to come until next year, but maybe there's a little bit that you can a little bit color that you can add on what you're doing there or what the receptiveness has been from the registrar's? Anything that would be helpful. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Sure. George is taking the lead on that. So George?

Speaker 4

Thanks, Jim. So hey, Gal, as we mentioned last quarter, in addition to the annual marketing programs that we launched at the beginning of the year, we have rolled out some new programs. During late Q2, we launched some new programs on dotnet and this quarter we've rolled out some programs to the registrar community on dotcom. Again, our strategy is really to broaden the options that registrars can choose from depending on their business models, geographic footprints and installed bases. I would say the initial feedback has been positive to those programs, but it is early.

Speaker 4

And of course, while we've had, I think, some good registrar engagement there, it will take a little bit of time to registrars to work those programs into their go to market strategy. So still early days, but we've gotten some initial feedback. And as you may also know, we will start working here in the Q4 to modify and enhance and target additional programs for 2025. We tend to gear that up in the Q4 and begin to talk to registrars about those programs as well. So any of the programs that we've rolled out that are that we get feedback on, we'll look to try to tweak those to make sure that they work best for the registrar community.

Speaker 5

All right. Thanks. And I'll ask one last one. Just on the updated domain guidance or you're giving down 3% at the low end. That would based on the first half, the current trends that would seem to imply trends get worse, not continue at the current level.

Speaker 5

So just want to know how to think about that number? Or is it just incremental caution around the trends? What is it something you're seeing or what needs to happen to get stuff go from down 2 to down 3? What's contemplated Thank you, guys.

Speaker 4

Yes, sure. So if you look at simply, if you look at the first half of the year, we're for the 1st 6 months, we're down about 2,000,000 names. And so the midpoint of our guidance suggests that that trend is probably going to continue here for the second half. Having said that, on the upside, if some of our marketing programs start taking root or as Jim mentioned, if registrars stop being as aggressive in the marketplace with ARPU or there has been some recent news out of China where the Chinese government has put some stimulus in to that marketplace. If those things start to take root, I think those are positive and can close that gap a little bit for us.

Speaker 4

On the downside, to the extent any of those trends worsen, I. E, the China market continues to not turn around or worsens and renewal rates from some of the registrar activities continuing to exercise their pricing flexibility, weaken that could potentially get to the bottom of that range. But right now, I think the simplest thing, the midpoint of our guidance suggests that the second half will be similar to the first half of this year.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 2

Hey, Gal. This is Jim. I just there's a couple of other things in the cooperative agreement that can't be changed. We normally don't think of them because they aren't generally of interest to investors. But I think everybody's aware of them.

Speaker 2

But one is that we cannot be vertically integrated for dotcom. We cannot be our own registrar for dotcom. And I think you might recall that in Amendment 35, we got clarification that only applies to dotcom. So, we don't have any plans to become a registrar for anything, but there is a restriction in the cooperative agreement, has been forever that we cannot for quite a few years that we cannot be our own registrar for dotcom. And there's a function called Who is where people can query registrations and there are some requirements to continue to support that.

Speaker 2

Just for all clarity, I think there's one more technical one, but it's all in Amendment 35 pretty easy to find. But I think the important ones for investors are pricing, SLA, the service level agreement, the performance and the termination. And we don't see and by the way, we don't seek to change any of the other ones either. Since we got clarification on a vertical integration, there's really nothing in the Cooperative Agreement that we would seek to change and we don't seek its termination or sunset.

Speaker 5

Got it. Thanks for the clarifications.

Speaker 2

Sure.

Operator

We will take our last question from Rob Oliver with Baird.

Speaker 3

Great. Thanks for squeezing me in for one more. Guys, Jim or George, just question on capital allocation. I saw you guys re upped the buyback. I guess, Jim, just thinking about your time since returning to Veracyte, you've essentially unwound in so many of the non core businesses and which our view has been this is a tremendous competitive advantage for you guys.

Speaker 3

However, it was interesting in response to Yigal's question what you just said about vertical integration because yes, clearly you can't do that with dot com. But I'm just wondering the extent to which the current malaise in dotcomgrowth and some of the activity with new gTLDs, coupled with a very strong financial position that you guys have might cause you to rethink your capital allocation strategy either via M and A or getting more aggressive with the new GTL E market or in any other way? Thank you.

Speaker 2

It's a good question. We don't guide to any of those things. So, I'd reluctant to say anything about it. Now, we do I will say though that as you're aware, we have pursued growth through the pursuit of a new TLD dot web and that continues of course in litigation and there's no update unfortunately this quarter. But I think that adding a new TLD and giving our customers more choice was a good plan, a good growth plan for us.

Speaker 2

But also to remember that our primary mission, the 328,000,000,000 queries a day and delivering that and having delivered it for 27 years is a primary mission. We have a strategic framework that balances growth against meeting our SLAs, which is obviously a very important thing. So we certainly have the flexibility to become a registrar for .web if we wanted to. But all the other things that you mentioned, and we have no intention of doing that. But the other things that you mentioned, we wouldn't guide to and are complicated processes.

Speaker 2

I all I can say is that if you look at our long track record of capital allocation, as you can see from our financial results today, it's serving us well.

Speaker 3

Great. Thanks, Jim. I appreciate it. Thank you, guys.

Operator

This does conclude today's question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back to David Atchley for final remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Please call the Investor Relations department with any follow-up questions from this call. Thank you for your participation. This concludes our call. Have a good evening.

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Key Takeaways

  • VeriSign celebrated 27 years of 100% uninterrupted availability for its .com and .net DNS infrastructure, handling an average of 328 billion queries per day.
  • In Q2 2024, revenues grew 4.1% year-over-year to $387 million, operating income rose 7.1% to $266 million, and diluted EPS increased 12.3% to $2.01.
  • The .com/.net domain base ended June at 170.6 million names, down 1.8 million in Q2, with 9.2 million new registrations and a renewal rate of about 72.6%, leading to a full-year decline forecast of 2–3%.
  • At quarter-end, cash and marketable securities totaled $690 million, and VeriSign repurchased 2.2 million shares for $388 million while expanding its buyback authorization by $1.11 billion to a total of $1.5 billion.
  • Full-year 2024 guidance was updated to revenue of $1.553–1.563 billion, operating income of $1.048–1.058 billion, interest expense of $25–35 million, capex of $30–40 million, and a tax rate of 21–24%.
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