Affiliated Managers Group Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 29, 2024

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the AMG Second Quarter 20 24 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Patricia Figueroa, Head of Investor Relations.

Operator

Thank you. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Good morning, and thank you for joining us today to discuss AMG's results for the Q2 of 2024. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that during this call, we may make a number of forward looking statements, which could differ from our actual results materially, and AMG assumes no obligation to update these statements. A replay of today's call will be available on the Investor Relations section of our website, along with a copy of our earnings release and a reconciliation of any non GAAP financial measures, including any earnings guidance announced on this call. In addition, this morning, we posted an updated investor presentation to our website and encourage investors to consult our site regularly for updated information. With us today to discuss the company's results for the quarter are Jay Horgan, President and Chief Executive Officer Tom Wojcik, Chief Operating Officer and Deva Ritchie, Chief Financial Officer.

Speaker 1

With that, I'll turn the call over to Jay.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Patricia, and good morning, everyone. Our strong results for the first half of twenty twenty four reflect the continued momentum in our business driven by the ongoing organic growth of our private markets affiliates, the excellent performance of our liquid alternatives managers and the positive impact of our disciplined capital allocation strategy. During the quarter, we invested our capital and resources alongside our affiliates to enhance their growth, including seeding a number of new alternative products in the wealth channel. We advanced several discussions with new investment prospects and we accelerated our share repurchase activity, repurchasing at more than twice our historical pace. Through the disciplined execution of AMG strategy to invest our capital and resources in the areas of highest growth and return, we have invested $1,800,000,000 over the last 5 years in areas of secular growth, including in durable trends such as the expanding digital economy, breakthroughs in biotechnology, industrial decarbonization, the emerging opportunities in wealth management and the expanding opportunities in non bank asset management, including in private credit.

Speaker 2

We have invested in new and existing affiliates in specialized areas where independent partner owned firms thrive And we have built AMG Resources in areas where our engaged partnership approach can meaningfully amplify our affiliates' efforts, including in product development, distribution, capital and strategic capabilities. AMG's strategy has accelerated the evolution of our business towards private markets and liquid alternatives. And today approximately half of our EBITDA is generated by alternative strategies. With a significant contribution from each of private markets, liquid alternatives and differentiated long only strategies, AMG's business profile is unique and increasingly well positioned to capitalize on both long term secular trends and the opportunities unfolding in the current environment. Our diversified portfolio of high quality affiliates operating across each of private markets, liquid alternatives and differentiated long lived strategies is a competitive advantage that not only enhances our earnings stability given the complementary nature of these strategies, it also supports our capacity to continue investing in the areas of highest growth and return.

Speaker 2

Since the beginning of the year, we have continued to advance several new investment opportunities in both private markets and liquid alternatives. And our transaction pipeline of potential new investments is building. As we look to make additional growth investments through new affiliate partnerships, AMG's unique approach continues to resonate with prospective affiliates given our proven ability to strategically magnify the competitive advantages of partner owned firms, while also preserving their independence. And as we form new partnerships in areas of secular growth, we expect the earnings contribution from alternative strategies to continue to increase further evolving our distinctive business profile. Stepping back, the execution of our strategy has enhanced AMG's future growth prospects.

Speaker 2

Our business momentum is accelerating as evidenced by a robust earnings growth and improving flow profile and our opportunities to invest in growth through new and existing affiliates continues to expand. Given our conviction in our strategy and our confidence in our forward prospects, Juxtaposed against the low valuation of our shares, since the beginning of the year, we have repurchased nearly 500,000,000 dollars or approximately 10% of our shares outstanding. Disciplined capital allocation is fundamental to our strategy and given the strength of our balance sheet and significant ongoing liquidity, we expect to execute on our growth opportunities, including investments in new partnerships, while also repurchasing shares at an elevated pace in 2024. AMG enters the second half of twenty twenty four in a position of strength. And given our differentiated partnership model, proven strategic capabilities and significant financial flexibility, we see increasing opportunities to invest for growth and create meaningful shareholder value.

Speaker 2

And with that, I'll turn it over to Tom.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Jay, and good morning, everyone. AMG's growth strategy is driving an evolution of our business mix towards secular growth areas, most notably in private markets and liquid alternatives. Over the last 5 years, our EBITDA contribution from alternative strategies has grown from 1 third to approximately half. And over the last 12 months, our total alternatives AUM has grown by 14%, driven by private markets AUM growth of 24%, while differentiated long only AUM has remained roughly flat, furthering AMG's positive mix shift trajectory. Over the long term, we expect that our continued business evolution will lead to more durable and predictable growth trends.

Speaker 3

Over the past 5 quarters, the improvement in our flow profile has been primarily driven by ongoing momentum in private markets fundraising, improving trends in quantitative strategy and further stabilization in differentiated long only products. For the Q2, our affiliates generated 1,000,000,000 in net client cash inflows. AMG's 9 private markets affiliates now manage $125,000,000,000 in client assets and operate in areas of significant long term demand, including private credit, infrastructure, private market solutions and specialty areas like industrial decarbonization, life sciences and multifamily real estate. In the quarter, supported by their outstanding long term performance track records, our private market affiliate generated $6,000,000,000 in net inflows, primarily in private credit and infrastructure. At a time when more commoditized private market firms are struggling to attract capital, 2 aspects of AMG's strategy are driving our results.

Speaker 3

First, our focus on specialized thematic investment strategies with strong long term client demand trends and second, our significant strategic push into alternatives in U. S. Wealth, which is a multi decade growth opportunity and a differentiator for AMG. Flows and liquid alternatives were flat in the quarter. Our affiliates are well positioned to capture growing demand trends given their outstanding long term performance across a range of products.

Speaker 3

In addition to beta sensitive strategies, our affiliates manage absolute return strategy including quant, global macro, relative value fixed income and trend following, all of which generate returns that have low or no correlation to the broader markets. As clients continue to focus on portfolio construction to address the changing market environment and more fully recognize the value of these strategies Within differentiated long only strategies, AMG benefited from positive beta and improving industry flow trends in the quarter. We saw net outflows of approximately $6,000,000,000 in equities and inflows of nearly $1,000,000,000 in multi asset and fixed income. Our affiliates managing differentiated long only strategies have built enduring franchises with specialized investment expertise and long term track records across market cycles. And as client demand trends continue to evolve, we are collaborating with our affiliates on developing new vehicles, including active ETFs to optimize the delivery of their strategy.

Speaker 3

Over the last several years, AMG has broadened its strategic capabilities to magnify Affiliates' efforts, most prominently in product development and capital formation and we are seeing tangible results. On our U. S. Wealth platform, several years ago we launched one of the first evergreen funds in the private equity space, the AMG Pantheon Fund and have successfully scaled the strategy to more than $3,500,000,000 in assets under management. Building on that success, earlier this year we seeded a new private equity fund for the non U.

Speaker 3

S. Wealth market and launched the AMG Pantheon Credit Solutions Fund, which is the 1st private credit secondary interval fund available in the market and is off to a strong fundraising start. More broadly, our continued collaboration with affiliates to develop and support alternative products for the U. S. Wealth market drove more than $500,000,000 in flows in the quarter and we continue to work with our affiliates to bring new products to this market.

Speaker 3

Given our confidence in AMG's and our affiliates' ability to capitalize on the increasingly attractive opportunities for growth in U. S. Wealth, we continue to invest to further enhance AMG's product development and distribution capabilities. We built a dedicated distribution team to focus on the RIA channel, which is critical to successfully incubate and introduce new solutions, especially for alternative products. We are also enhancing our marketing resources to facilitate the education and training of advisors, a key element to driving high adoption rates for new products.

Speaker 3

Overall, we are providing unique investment opportunities to AMG's strategic client partners, including large institutions, family offices, select intermediaries and RIAs to magnify our affiliates access to and success in U. S. Wealth. As we continue to deploy our capabilities to facilitate access to the wealth market, we will also further differentiate AMG to prospective new affiliates. Our proven ability to create value together with our existing affiliates is an increasingly important consideration for independent firms as they seek a strategic partner.

Speaker 3

Each key element of our strategy, investing in our existing affiliates, investing in new affiliate partnerships and investing in and distributing new products is driving the continued shift of our business more towards secular growth areas with a focus on liquid alternatives and private markets. That change in our business mix is enhancing our future growth profile, both in terms of our expectations for organic growth and earnings growth. With that, I'll turn the call over to Deva to discuss our Q2 results and guidance.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. We continue to see strong momentum in our business given improving organic growth over the past several quarters, increasing average assets under management and our flexibility to deploy capital in both growth investments and in repurchasing AMG shares. In the second quarter, we had adjusted EBITDA of $218,000,000 which included $11,000,000 in net performance fee earnings. These results primarily reflect higher average AUM for the period and recent new investments that contributed to our results. This was offset by lower performance fees in the quarter compared to Q2 2023.

Speaker 4

Economic earnings per share of $4.67 grew 5% year over year, benefiting from the impact of share repurchases, partially offset by higher cash taxes as last year we had a discrete foreign tax benefit run through our results. Given the seasonality in our performance fee earnings throughout the year, it is helpful to evaluate our year to date results in addition to our quarterly results. We reported economic earnings per share of $10.06 in the first half, up 17% year over year, driven by an increase in average AUM, affiliate performance fees and the positive impact of our capital allocation strategy, including new investment activity and share repurchases. Now moving to 3rd quarter guidance. We expect adjusted EBITDA to be between $210,000,000 $220,000,000 based on current AUM levels reflecting our market blend, which was up 2% quarter to date as of Friday and including net performance fee earnings of up to $10,000,000 As a reminder, the 2nd and third quarters are seasonably low performance fee quarters.

Speaker 4

The vast majority of our performance fees typically crystallize in the 4th quarter and impact our earnings primarily in either the 4th quarter or the Q1 of the following year, given that several report on a 1 quarter lag. We expect 3rd quarter economic earnings per share to grow and be in the range of $4.68 to 4 point 91 dollars assuming an adjusted weighted average share count of 31 point 7,000,000 shares for the quarter. A guidance reconciliation slide has been posted to the Investor Relations section of our website where you can find detailed modeling items for the Q3. I will note here that our amortization and impairment line was elevated in the 2nd quarter, which resulted in a higher GAAP tax rate and we expect our GAAP tax rate to return to normal on a go forward basis. Finally, turning to the balance sheet and capital allocation.

Speaker 4

In the Q2, we opportunistically repurchased $327,000,000 in shares, bringing repurchases to $477,000,000 in the first half of the year. For the full year 2024, we now expect to repurchase at least $700,000,000 in shares subject to market conditions and new investment activity. Importantly, this elevated repurchase activity for the first half of the year does not limit our ability to invest in growth opportunities. With the recurring annual cash flow generated by our business, the strength and duration of our balance sheet and our current leverage position, we have ample capital flexibility to make both growth investments in new and existing affiliates and continue to repurchase our shares. Our long dated capital structure with an average debt duration of more than 20 years and access to both our $1,250,000,000 undrawn revolver and the institutional capital markets supports our ability to continue to deploy capital when attractive opportunities materialize.

Speaker 4

Looking ahead, given our disciplined capital allocation framework, strong balance sheet and distinct competitive advantages, we remain well positioned to execute on our growth strategy and generate shareholder value over time. Now we are happy to take your questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the floor is now open for questions. Our first question today is coming from Alex Blostein of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Hi, good morning everybody. Thanks for the question. Maybe we could start with momentum you guys have seen in the alt business, quite a bit of discussion on that on the call this morning, including the flattish, I guess, flows you highlighted from the liquid alt book. So can we talk a little bit about the areas of strength that you're seeing, whether there was anything sort of lumpy this quarter, a your outlook for organic growth in the alts book for the rest of the year? Good morning.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Alex. Thanks for your question. I'm going to let Tom take that one.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Alex. Maybe I'll talk about our overall flow momentum overall and certainly touch on both private markets and alternatives in that context. As you heard in my prepared remarks, I think really the main point to take away on flows is that our overall growth strategy is continuing to drive an evolution of our business mix more towards secular growth areas, most importantly alternatives and really with a focus on private markets, which is where a lot of the strength is that we've been seeing. And as we continue to execute against that strategy over time, we expect to enhance the long term organic growth and earnings growth profile of the business. And you've seen that over the last 5 years as alternatives have gone from roughly a third to more than half of our business on an EBITDA basis.

Speaker 3

And really that's an intentional output of our strategy. In terms of the nearer term flow profile, there's a really nice page actually in our investor materials where you can see over the past 5 quarters the improvement in our flow profile. And that's been primarily driven by a few areas: 1, ongoing momentum in Private Markets, and I'll talk a bit more about that in a moment 2, improving trends in quantitative strategies as well as liquid alternatives overall and then thirdly, some further stabilization in our differentiated long only product areas. And this past quarter that resulted in about $1,000,000,000 in positive net client cash flows. So now to talk about a couple of the areas you focused on specifically.

Speaker 3

In private markets, we continue to benefit from the diversity as well as the depth of our affiliates, and they're raising assets across a number of well positioned strategies. Those include infrastructure, credit, private market solutions, as well as specialty areas like industrial decarbonization, digital infrastructure, life sciences and multifamily real estate. And as you know, Alex, those flows are highly valuable given their fee rate, their long duration and the potential to generate carried interest. And we're helping to drive an acceleration of flows there through a lot of the work that we're doing in the U. S.

Speaker 3

Wealth space, including launching new products, leveraging our balance sheet to seed those products and really creating new business lines for a number of our affiliates who otherwise wouldn't be in the U. S. Wealth space with private markets. In terms of liquid alternatives, we have seen stabilization there and we are looking forward to long term growth opportunities in liquid alternatives. We see really strong growing demand trends given the outstanding long term performance as well as the uncorrelated nature of those returns.

Speaker 3

As clients continue to focus on portfolio construction to, deal with the changing market environment and recognize the value of these strategies, we do expect to see an increasing allocation to liquid alternatives. Importantly, I'll also point to the fact that we did see a nice uptick in gross sales in liquid alts this past quarter, And we think that that's a good leading indicator going forward in terms of client demand for those types of strategies. In terms of differentiated long only, just to round it out, we're seeing better trends overall, positive beta, a little bit of improvement in overall industry trends. And we again saw strength in multi asset and fixed income. So when you put it all together, you have a sizable portion of our business that's inflowing today and very well positioned for the future, particularly in private markets as well as liquid alternatives.

Speaker 3

And we feel really confident in our ability to generate growth and that our strategy is going to continue to push our business mix even more toward client demand trends over time.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is coming from Dan Fannon of Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thanks. Good morning. So I wanted to follow-up just on capital. The buyback number is quite strong obviously in the Q2 and now as you look at through the rest of the year raising that guidance. I was hoping to get a little bit more perspective on what's different today versus when you started the year to kind of drive that increase more buyback.

Speaker 5

And then in the context of new investments, the commentary seems quite similar to what we've heard from you in terms of the prospects of capital deployment and dialogues progressing. As we think about the election in the back half of the year, is there do you think there's any pause or change or decision making maybe delayed as a result of change in White House or other external factors as opposed to kind of normal course of business?

Speaker 2

Yes. Good morning, Dan. Thanks for your question. Let me start with the buybacks in the quarter and our rationale. So let me yes, so let me start with the rationale of for elevated share repurchases in the quarter, and really for the year.

Speaker 2

And then I'll move on to the new investment question and talk about what we see for the remainder of the year. Maybe just a level set. We've been buying back our shares for some time now really over the past 5 years. We've averaged just under $500,000,000 per year, which is about 10% of our share count per year. But this half of year, the first half of twenty twenty four, we've significantly increased the pace in Quantum.

Speaker 2

We're doing about double that rate now. And a combination of factors have come together really to compel us to take more of an opportunistic view on these share repurchases. I think the first factor I'll highlight to you is the significant excess liquidity we've had on our balance sheet really since the bearing variable transactions. And really the other thing that David mentioned is that we strengthened our balance sheet over the last couple of years issued a number of 40 year securities. And given the earnings growth and balance sheet movements that we've had, we've driven our leverage well below our 2 to 2.5 times target.

Speaker 2

So we have lower leverage than 2 times today. So the second thing, and Tom touched on it, we see accelerating momentum in our business. Probably this is the most significant factor here, just driven by the mix shift towards secular growth areas and alternative strategies generally. And that's been evidenced in our earnings growth over the past 12 months and importantly our improving growth profile over the past 5 quarters, which led to the positive flows this quarter. I think, you all know it's been 2.5 years since we've had an inflow quarter.

Speaker 2

And so we're feeling pretty good just about the trend and the positive trajectory. Really ultimately though it's because we are deploying our capital in a very intentional way. We continue to strategically evolve AMG by deliberately investing in managers in areas of secular growth and we think that'll pay off not just in the near term, but really over the long term. And then finally, we see increased opportunities to invest in additional new and well in new affiliates, but also in existing affiliates in areas that will help us grow our overall top line and bottom line and specifically on new investments, which was the second part of your question, we have been progressing steadily, a couple of new investments since the beginning of the year. So the commentary is the same as you note.

Speaker 2

And we have made good progress on those discussions and continue to be constructive on those. It also turns out that our pipeline is expanding. And I don't know that it's election driven per se. I think our competitive position in the market is really unique today relative to other strategic paths for independent firms. Really the landing point on that I would say is it's our ability to both be strategic and also preserve independence.

Speaker 2

That stands out against both financial buyers who are passive, and are not strategic and consolidators who want to integrate businesses. So when you look at our pipeline today, it has matured, but it's also expanded. So we're very constructive on it and that is similar commentary. And I'd like to say I have a crystal ball. I don't really think the Oftentimes, we have seen when there's been a change in the view of taxes in particular that drives new investment activity.

Speaker 2

But at this point, there's nothing on the horizon that's overwhelming, that's driving an uptick in supply, but there could be. So I think any change, we need to watch out for it. But as it relates to our ability to fund new investments and maybe I'll turn it to David just to talk about our capacity on the balance sheet and our ability to fund investments. We see that we can continue to repurchase at this elevated rate, which we expect to do in 2024, but also execute on our growth investments. So with that maybe Dave I'll let you pick it up on the balance sheet.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks, Jay. So given the recurring cash flow generated by our business, the strength and duration of our balance sheet and our current leverage position, we have ample capital flexibility to make both growth investments in new and existing affiliates and to continue to repurchase our shares. Just to give you a few numbers and a little more color on this, our balance sheet generates approximately $1,000,000,000 in pre tax cash flow annually, which we expect to deploy in either growth investments or return of capital each year. Our net debt position approximately $1,600,000,000 given we have nearly $600,000,000 of available cash and $400,000,000 of balance sheet investments in products and securities that will be returned to AMG over time.

Speaker 4

Finally, our leverage ratio of 1.7 times continues to be much lower than our target of 2 to 2.5 times. And with our $1,250,000,000 revolver, we have access to additional liquidity and leverage capacity to execute on our pipeline of growth investments. Taken together, we have plenty of capacity to execute on elevated growth investments and repurchases in the near term and also over the long term as well? Thanks for the question.

Speaker 2

Yes. Dan, I'll just finally say that the combination of all those factors that I just mentioned, new investments, the momentum in our business and really the capacity that David just mentioned, juxtaposed against the low valuation of our shares. And we've had a low valuation for some time. But relative to the opportunistic.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is coming from Bill Katz of TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you very much for the comments on the guidance. Just coming back to deals, Jay, just in terms of I certainly appreciate the laser like focus on some of the faster growth areas. I wonder if you could maybe frame out the pipeline in terms of maybe size and shape of some of the things you might be looking at? And then unrelated but separately and separately, just wondering if you could talk a little bit about on the wealth management side, maybe just an update of where we are in terms of number of distributors you're working with today and where you think that can get to and then how many incremental sort of sales folks you're looking to add on over the X number of quarters?

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. So I will start with the new investment. Well, thanks for your first, Bill, and I'll start with the new investments. Just maybe rounding out what we're looking for and try to touch on the size and I'll have Tom talk about our efforts in wealth. So maybe the first thing that I'll just pick up where you left off is we are focused on areas of secular growth, primarily within private markets and liquid alternatives and then just selectively and differentiated long only strategies.

Speaker 2

And what we're really focused on is trying to find capital formation businesses that are in demand around these long term secular themes that Tom mentioned. I won't go through the litany of them, but it includes things like digital, the digital economy, breakthroughs in biotechnology, industrial decarbonization, just to name a few. And I think we've been successful in doing so over the last 5 years. You can look back at our new investments and see that almost every one of them, I guess all of them really do follow those themes. And that's what's driving, I think, our business momentum and our organic flow profile as well.

Speaker 2

And as it stands today, about half of our business comes from private markets and liquid alternatives, and we think we're going to go well over half, both from new investments, but also growth with the existing affiliates. When you look at our pipeline today and just pausing for a moment to think about it, We do see a pretty good variety of size in the pipeline. We actually have a few transactions on the larger size. For us, a larger size check is probably $250,000,000 to $450,000,000 500 dollars And underneath that, we still have a number of high growth firms that the check size would be a bit lower. I mean maybe to size it out again, I've said this on prior calls.

Speaker 2

We try to buy growing businesses in secular areas that can double or triple. And so we typically target size in the $250,000,000,000 to $1,000,000,000 enterprise value range. Sometimes we go over that. It often depends on how much of the partnership we're investing in from a percentage perspective. Typically, that's between 20% 70% of the equity.

Speaker 2

So our transaction size usually is 50% to 500%, just to frame it all out for you. But we see some on the top half of that and a few that are on the bottom half of that. So we have pretty good diversity. What really matters to us is the opportunity for growth. So some of our most successful investments tended to be some of our smaller investments because kind of a $5,000,000,000 business to get to 15,000,000,000 to 20, dollars Oftentimes is a lot easier to imagine than a $50,000,000,000 business getting to $100,000,000,000 So I think we've got the right approach from a growth perspective, a lot of high quality.

Speaker 2

Quality really matters over the long term. So this quality growth in independent firms and our ability to strategically magnify their efforts has really helped us in the new investment area. We're very well positioned in that way. And so we're excited about both quality in the private markets and liquid alt area. And like I said, we're very constructive on our pipeline.

Speaker 2

So maybe what I'll do now is turn it over to Tom to talk about your second question.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Jay. And Bill, thanks for the question. Look, the U. S. Wealth channel is one of the things that we're really excited to talk about, both with our existing affiliates as well as new affiliates.

Speaker 3

We've been making a big investment there and we really think that that investment is starting to pay off and we have a uniquely positioned offering that is a real differentiator for AMG. As part of our overall capital formation capabilities, we have this vertically integrated U. S. Wealth platform that enables our affiliates to access the large and growing wealth market. And when you think about it, that's something that's extremely difficult for an independent firm to do on its own given the resources required to be effective in that channel.

Speaker 3

If you think of many of our private markets affiliates, we have firms with $5,000,000,000 to $10,000,000,000 in AUM, maybe 30 to 50 employees. We have more client facing individuals and some of our affiliates have employees and that is the way you have to play in U. S. Wealth. You really have to have the scale to be able to cover that market from the top down, the buying centers at the top of the house at the large wires and the large sophisticated RIAs, but also with boots on the ground in the field in terms of wholesaling resources, desk resources, marketing resources to really be able to penetrate the channel.

Speaker 3

And that's something that most independent firms just can't do on their own. And in partnership with AMG that can be really, really powerful. You asked about the number of platforms we're on. Remember, we're not new to the U. S.

Speaker 3

Wealth space. We have a $40,000,000,000 business in that space. And through our predecessor firms, we've really been at this for 30 years. So we operate across a number of different types of platforms, wirehouses, independents, bank channel, RIA, self directed. Ultimately, we're trying to build the best wrappers with the unique investment capabilities that exist at our affiliates and then use our own distribution resources as well as the excellent distribution resources at our affiliates to try and penetrate the appropriate channels and the appropriate platforms where these products and wrappers can have the biggest impact for clients.

Speaker 3

Product development is a really important part of the way that we're attacking this channel. And since we launched the AMG Pantheon Fund and on the back of the success that we've had there and you've heard us talk about that over the last couple of years, initially going over $1,000,000,000 then $2,000,000,000 now north of $3,500,000,000 We're continuing to invest more capital and more resources alongside our affiliates to bring new products to market to build on that strength. Just in 2024, we've done this already a number of times and we have more that we're working on. We seeded a new Pantheon private equity vehicle for the non U. S.

Speaker 3

Wealth market. We partnered with Pantheon to launch, seed and distribute a first of its kind private credit secondaries fund for the U. S. Wealth market, the AMG Pantheon Credit Solutions Fund, extremely interesting thematically when you think about the growth of private credit and where we're seeing the market going. So we have a real first mover advantage on that product in the market and fundraising has been very strong out of the box.

Speaker 3

Also with our focus on liquid alternatives, we partnered with Systematica to launch a new trend following fund that we've also ceded, giving them an opportunity to expand their reach in the U. S. Wealth market. And we continue to advance our work with Comvest to bring non sponsor backed middle market lending, to wealth clients as well. You also asked about the investment that we're making.

Speaker 3

And as I discussed in my prepared remarks, when we see something at AMG that's working, I think we really try to put our shoulder behind it and continue to press where we see an advantage and that's exactly what we're doing in U. S. Wealth. We built a dedicated distribution team to focus on the RIA channel and that's critical to successfully incubating and introducing new solutions, especially for alternative products. We're also focused on enhancing our marketing resources to facilitate the education and the training of advisors, And those are key elements to driving high adoption rates for new products.

Speaker 3

Overall, we think we have a really unique investment opportunity that we're delivering to AMG's affiliates as well as our strategic client partners across large institutions, family offices, select intermediaries and RIAs and collectively all of those position us well to magnify our affiliates access to and success in U. S. Wealth over time.

Speaker 2

Yes. So I wanted to just emphasize or amplify one of the things that Tom said here. The wealth opportunity for private markets affiliates, liquid alternative affiliates and our ability to get our affiliates access to that channel is a huge strategic advantage for us. It's probably I guess we can't underscore it enough. When you think about it, right, an independent firm who's seeking a partner, oftentimes they will have a criteria for seeking that partner and almost always they don't want to be consolidated.

Speaker 2

There are times where they will turn over the keys if you will, but most of the time they do not. So for us to win the space of being strategic while allowing them to continue to preserve their independence is really there's not really anyone in the world that does that. And I think we are running to that as fast as we can especially given our opportunity in wealth.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is coming from Patrick Davitt of Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning, everyone. All my topical questions have been asked. So I just have a couple of cleanup items. Could you give some more color on the intangible noise you highlighted and if it was related to any specific affiliate? And secondly, to what extent were there any false catch up fees in the 2Q result?

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Speaker 2

All right. Thanks for your question, Patrick. David, you want to start?

Speaker 4

Sure. I can take that. On the impairment side, we had a modest reevaluation event at one of our small equity method affiliates in the 2nd quarter. And to your second question, there were no catch up fees in the 2nd quarter.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is coming from Brian Debel of Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Great. Thanks. Good morning folks. Maybe just going back to the organic growth and private wealth theme. If you assume your loan only business and your quant business is stable.

Speaker 7

What's your confidence level in generating sustainable positive flows just from the both the private markets and the alts business? Just trying to get a sense of the durability of that, obviously notwithstanding seasonal patterns that we typically get, let's say, in the 4th and 1st quarters. And then on the just on the wealth distribution side, the how do you share those costs between the affiliates? Or do they mostly run through the EBITDA P and L at AMG? Or is there a method where you share that distribution cost with the affiliates you're working for?

Speaker 2

Great, Ryan. I think both Tom and I will weigh in on the answer to this. But I'm going to just set the stage that I think we see organic growth from private markets and we have been for some time. You can see it on our chart in the IR deck. I think liquid alts, it's been both positive and negative.

Speaker 2

But I think when we look forward, we think liquid alts is generally a positive organic growth story for us, mainly because performance is really good. And what I think is important to note is the complementary nature of liquid alternatives to both long only differentiated strategies and private markets. And so when you see upward sloping markets, you tend to have probably slower growth in liquid alts. When you see choppier, more volatile markets, that's when you really see liquid alts turn on from a performance perspective and oftentimes from a flow perspective. So we kind of like the complementary nature of it.

Speaker 2

We think that that is a good balance going forward. But the combination of both private markets and liquid alts we do see as a long term secular positive flow story. And then I'm going to just make one comment, but I'll turn it over to Tom who will give you more detail. We are seeing consistent with the industry trends lower gross outflows on long only equities, which I guess is a positive for us and that actually does help stabilize that part of our business. So maybe Tom, I'll let you pick it up from there.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks, Jay. And thanks for your questions, Brian. I actually don't have much to add in terms of the organic growth story. I think, Jay covered a lot of it as well as in our prepared remarks and the answer to some previous questions.

Speaker 3

I'll touch just briefly on your question on the wealth model. We've built a pretty sizable team and I think we do think about effectively joint venturing, right, with our affiliates when we enter this market, particularly in these limited liquidity products or when we're doing a drawdown fundraise in the wealth channel. So we have a good economic model, obviously, where we're benefiting from the investment that we make in the affiliates at the top of the house, but also with some cost and revenue sharing at the product level where it makes sense in order to both create the right alignment and incentives and also to enable us to continue to invest for the long term growth of the business on behalf of our affiliates.

Speaker 2

Yes. And I'll just punctuate that by saying given that it's a JV and given that we have product revenue as well as affiliate revenue just to be clear there are 2 sources of revenue that come back to AMG. We have an opportunity with scale to earn profit on both. Thanks for your question.

Operator

Thank you. This brings us to the end of the question and answer session. I will turn it back over to Mr. Horgen for closing comments.

Speaker 2

Thank you all again for joining us this morning, and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This concludes today's event. You may disconnect your lines at this time and enjoy the rest of your day.

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