PJT Partners Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 30, 2024

There are 6 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the PJT Partners Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Sharon Pearson, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much. Good morning and welcome to

Operator

the PJT

Speaker 1

Partners' Q2 2024 Earnings Conference Call. I'm Sharon Pearson, Head of Investor Relations at PJT Partners, and joining me today is Paul Taubman, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Helen Mates, our Chief Financial Officer. Before I turn the call over to Paul, I want to point out that during the course of this conference call, we may make a number of forward looking statements. These forward looking statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties, and there are important factors that could cause actual outcomes to differ materially from those indicated in these statements. We believe that these factors are described in the Risk Factors section contained in PJT Partners' 2023 Form 10 ks, which is available on our website at pjtpartners.com.

Speaker 1

I want to remind you that the company assumes no duty to update any forward looking statements and that the presentation we make today contains non GAAP financial measures,

Speaker 2

which

Speaker 1

we believe are meaningful in evaluating the company's performance. For detailed disclosures on these non GAAP metrics and the GAAP reconciliations, you should refer to the financial data contained within the press release we issued this morning, also available on our Web site. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Paul.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Sharon. Good morning and thank you all for joining today's earnings call. We delivered record performance in the Q2. Our Q2 revenues were the highest in the firm's history and helped us to deliver adjusted pretax income up 19% year over year and adjusted EPS up 20% from year ago levels. Year to date performance also reflected strength across all of our businesses with record revenues of $690,000,000 up 26 percent year over year, adjusted pretax income of 41% year over year and adjusted EPS up 43% from year ago levels.

Speaker 3

While we are pleased with our mid year results, our focus continues to be on investing to build the strongest firm for the long term. We continue to invest in talent at all levels. We continue to expand our industry expertise, our product capabilities and our global reach. And we continue to work in close collaboration within businesses and across businesses to deliver the best outcomes for clients. The results from this consistent and disciplined investment is now beginning to show through in our financials.

Speaker 3

After Helen takes you through our results, I will review our business performance and outlook in greater detail. Helen?

Speaker 1

Thank you, Paul. Good morning. Beginning with revenues. Total revenues for the Q2 were 360,000,000 dollars a record quarter, up 4% year over year. PJT Pachel revenues were meaningfully higher compared to year ago levels.

Speaker 1

Strategic Advisory revenues were up modestly year over year, while restructuring revenues were similar to Q1 revenues, but below the prior year's record revenues. For the 6 months ended June 30, total revenues were $690,000,000 a record first half, up 26% year over year. For the 6 months, revenues in all of the businesses were up meaningfully compared to year ago levels. Turning to expenses consistent with prior quarters, we presented the expenses of certain non GAAP adjustments, which are more fully described in our 8 ks. First, compensation expense, we accrued compensation expense at 69.5 percent of revenues for the first half of the year.

Speaker 1

This ratio represents our current expectation for the full year 2024. Turning to adjusted non compensation expense. Total adjusted non compensation expense was $44,000,000 for the Q2, flat year over year and $89,000,000 for the first half, up $8,700,000 or 11% year over year. As a percentage of revenues, 12.3% in the 2nd quarter and 13% in the first half. The main drivers of the expense increase for the first half of the year were higher occupancy costs, higher traveling related expenses, as well as investments in Communications and Information Services.

Speaker 1

Overall, for the full year, we expect that our non comp expense will grow in the low double digit percentage year over year, similar to the growth rate we experienced in 2023 and consistent with our prior guidance. Turning to adjusted pretax income. We reported adjusted pretax income of $66,000,000 for the Q2 and $121,000,000 for the 1st 6 months. Our adjusted pre tax margin of 18.2% for the 2nd quarter compared with 16% for the same period last year and 17.5% for the 1st 6 months compared with 15.7% for the same period last year. The provision for taxes as with prior quarters, we presented our results as if all partnership units have been converted to shares and that all of our income was taxed at a corporate tax rate.

Speaker 1

Our effective tax rate for the first half of twenty twenty four was 22% and we expect this to be our effective tax rate for the full year. Earnings per share, our adjusted if converted earnings were $1.19 per share for the Q2, up 20% and $2.17 per share for the 1st 6 months, up 43% versus the same period last year. On the share count for the quarter, our weighted average share count was 43,000,000 shares. During the Q2, we repurchased the equivalent of approximately 710,000 shares primarily through open market repurchases. Our repurchases in the 1st 6 months totaled approximately 2,200,000 shares with record open market repurchases of 1,700,000 dollars On the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with a record $351,000,000 in cash, cash equivalents and short term investments and $438,000,000 in net working capital and we have no funded debt outstanding.

Speaker 1

We have entered into a new 100,000,000 dollars revolving credit agreement with Bank of America as the administration agent and JPMorgan Chase and MUFG collectively as lenders. The credit agreement has an initial 2 year term and replaces our existing facility with First Republic Bank now part of JPMorgan and that was due to expire in October this year. Finally, the Board has approved the dividend of $0.25 per share. The dividend will be paid on September 18, 2024 to Class A common shareholders of record as of September 4. I'll now turn back to Paul.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Helen. Beginning with PJT Park Hill. For the 3 6 month periods, revenues in our PJT Hill business rebounded sharply from last year's challenging performance, with Private Equity and Private Capital Solutions delivering the greatest gains. While the fundraising environment remains subdued, it has improved meaningfully from a year ago. We expect PJT Park Hill's 2024 results to be up significantly year over year, although full year 2024 revenues will lag 20 22's record setting levels.

Speaker 3

Turning to restructuring. We are benefiting from a multiyear cycle of elevated restructuring activity as corporates and sponsors across industries continue to work their way through the impact of higher interest rates, challenged business models, technological disruption and changing consumer preferences. Much of the growth in our Restructuring business is the result of clients increasingly turning to PJT for advice on proactive liability management to address balance sheet issues. Our restructuring performance reflects the continued level of elevated activity, this and we now expect full year 2024 restructuring and we now expect full year 2024 restructuring revenues to closely track 2023's record results. Turning to Strategic Advisory.

Speaker 3

At the beginning of the year, we foresaw a slow but steady build in global M and A activity as markets stabilized and historical relationships between M and A activity and broader market benchmarks began to reemerge. The year is playing out pretty much as we expected with global M and A run rate activity tracking modestly ahead of 2023 levels. We expect the global M and A recovery to continue with the potential for a step function increase post the U. S. Elections if as seems increasingly likely the Fed initiates rate cuts and other central banks continue their rate lowering policies.

Speaker 3

Our strategic advisory revenues for both the 3 6 month periods increased relative to year ago levels as our announced pending close pipeline and our mandate count grew steadily in the first half of the year. Our mandate count is now the highest in our firm's history. Even in today's more active M and A environment, we are seeing an increase in attractive recruiting opportunities for our Strategic Advisory business due in large part to our firm's broadening track record of success. We continue to recruit highly talented professionals to our Strategic advisory business and these additions to our talent base has significantly enhanced our ability to capitalize on a higher velocity M and A environment. In closing, we continue to measure our performance in years, not half years.

Speaker 3

And even though our full year growth is unlikely to approach 26%, we will undoubtedly deliver a third successive year of revenue growth and a second consecutive year of record revenues, which is all the more impressive given the relatively muted macro environment in which we have been operating. We have high expectations for what our ever stronger firm can deliver in the years to come. And as before, we remain confident in our near, intermediate and long term growth prospects. And with that, we will now take your questions.

Operator

And we'll take our first question from Devin Ryan with Citizens JMP. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Terrific. Good morning, Paul and Helen. How are you?

Speaker 3

Very well. Good morning, Devin.

Speaker 4

Appreciate all the outlook commentary, Paul, and particularly just on the broader M and A market and kind of what you're seeing and expecting. If you look at PJT specifically, I heard the comment about a record mandate count and strategic advisory, which I believe would imply an improvement from last quarter. I think last quarter you mentioned record pre announced pipeline. So I'm not sure if there's any distinction there, but just curious, how that's trended? And then just more broadly, whether you're seeing any change in tone around the speed to progress deals?

Speaker 4

I appreciate there could be kind of an inflection post election, but are you actually seeing an acceleration here even in recent months maybe post the prior quarter? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Well, I mean, everyone it's a Rorschach test. Everyone probably looks at every situation a little bit differently. I continue to think that deals are still hard to bring to the goal line and that there has always been in this downturn what has made this downturn so different than prior periods of inactivity is the desire to transact remains very robust. And there is a clear desire to investigate transactions, to diligence transactions, to try and be creative in bringing them to fruition, but it has just been more difficult and there have been different issues along the way. At one point in this recovery, it was more about access to financing.

Speaker 3

I think financing is far more plentiful today. I think there continues to be a bid ask on valuations, although I believe that has narrowed. There continues to be the soul searching issue of do you want to subject your company and the target company to an extended period of regulatory review and who bears the risk of degradation and performance between signing and closing. That one I think continues. The others have probably gotten a bit better.

Speaker 3

But we're not at a place where it's easy to get deals done. And those deals that have been announced still are set up particularly larger transactions and consolidating transactions, the regulatory review process remains quite long and uncertain. But I definitely see a healing in the marketplace. I've always had the belief that while we've never had 3 down years in a row, we had 2, this was going to be an up year. I think people were driving past their headlights a little bit in the sense that the 1st year of a rebound tends to be reasonably modest.

Speaker 3

And you've seen the year to date activity levels, they were tracking in the 30s, up 30% year over year. That's continued to come down. We focus much more on just what the annualized run rate is and it's up single digits. And even if we end the year stronger, it's still going to be a reasonably pedestrian 1st year of a recovery, but we see more and more of the elements building and we're very focused on 2025 and beyond.

Speaker 4

Got it. Okay. That's great color, Paul. Thanks. And then I'll just ask another one on the advisory, but restructuring business and zooming out a little bit to appreciate some of the more near term color and expectation for 2024 and obviously, you're kind of operating at a record level here.

Speaker 4

Do you see any potential catalysts that could drive maybe even a further acceleration in activity outside of kind of an economic stress period? Like is there anything that you think could actually drive an acceleration from here? And how should we think about the backdrop for restructuring in kind of the next couple of years in your mind relative to what does sound like potentially an inflecting higher M and A market? Clearly, historically, those 2 don't go together, but love to just get an update on kind of more of an intermediate term view of how these businesses could relate together here over the next couple of years?

Speaker 3

Well, look, I think this sets up potentially where they can both coexist. And one of the reasons for that, and I've talked about this repeatedly, is in a world of technological innovation and disruption, not everyone is a winner. And the issue is not whether it's the macroeconomic conditions necessarily that cause a lot of companies to need to restructure their balance sheets, but whether or not their business models have been severely disrupted.

Speaker 2

So when

Speaker 3

I just look out with a crystal ball, my crystal ball is equally cloudy to yours. It's far from perfect, but I look at a world where there's tremendous disruption innovation, which is creating more disruption. And whether it's generative AI, whether it's digitization, the world is changing. And that means that not everyone is going to be a winner. And regardless of macro environment, if you're going to have industries that are going to be severely disrupted, that's going to pressure balance sheets and lower interest rates are not going to bail out those companies.

Speaker 3

So there are industries that will be ripe for liability management. That is one issue. The second is you're just dealing with a sheer quantum of debt, which is greater today than it was in prior cycles. So if you apply the same percentage of companies that are likely to get caught up and need balance sheet repair, it's the same constant percentage multiplied against a much bigger debt stack that would suggest greater restructuring activity. And then I think the third is in a world where there have been relatively few governors on how borrowers can conduct themselves because of stripped down covenant packages and the like.

Speaker 3

The opportunity to more creatively figure out how to restructure or recapitalize the balance sheet, there's more options available. So to me, those are the secular tailwinds, which suggest elevated activity for a considerable period of time. Now what may be a headwind to that business is if rates come down precipitously, that may just mean that the capital markets may be so open and inviting that a lot of those companies will be able to find other ways to muddle through. So I don't know exactly where it's going, but I certainly see a reasonable probability that you could have a more active transaction marketplace and you could have a more active liability management marketplace.

Speaker 4

Got it. Okay. Well, really appreciate the perspective and I will hop back in

Speaker 2

the queue. But thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Devin. Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from James Yaro with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Good morning and thanks for taking my questions. Paul, maybe just starting with the M and A side of the business, could you just touch on the dialogues that you're having with sponsors? I think we heard from some of your peers that those are improving, but how are you seeing those dialogues relative to the beginning of the year, let's say? Over what time period would you expect those to fully normalize? And do we need rate cuts for a full normalization of activity among those clients?

Speaker 3

I think the answer we'll start at the back. I think the answer is yes on the back end. I think you do need rate cuts for full normalization. So if you just look at the data, the data shows a quite sluggish sponsor activity level in Q1. It was stronger in Q2 and it happened to be particularly active in the month of July.

Speaker 3

So those are just the facts. Facts are you've seen more sponsor activity as the year has progressed. I think the more interesting question is for attractive assets, there are multiple sponsor bids and sponsors do have capital that they need to put out. And when there are attractive assets out there, you're certainly seeing robust competition because when those highly sought after assets are put to market, you have an awful lot of dry powder, clear access to financing and you're seeing transactions. And we've never suggested that the private equity marketplace would shut down.

Speaker 3

So that part of it remains robust. The question is for what I would call 2nd tier assets or assets that may have more compromised outlooks, where I think in a lower interest rate environment, there was probably more interest in those assets. I think that appears to us to still be disciplined buying interest and that has probably been a governor. I also think in particularly in European markets and the like, you have a lot of mid cap companies that continue to trade significantly below their true normalized value. And increasingly, the sponsor community is looking at those as very attractive take private opportunities and they have been active.

Speaker 3

So we see a steady increase in sponsor activity. But ultimately, I think when rates come down, I think a bunch of those companies that still are perhaps not able to achieve sale prices that will return attractive multiples of invested capital or IRRs, there's a bias to hold on to those a little bit longer. And then once that shifts, then I think you see a step function in sponsor activity.

Speaker 2

Excellent. That's very clear. Maybe just on the secondaries business, could you give us a little bit of color on the contribution that that had to Advise the results this quarter and your expectations around the sustainability of the robust growth that we've seen across, I think, the industry in this business in recent quarters?

Speaker 3

Well, I think the contributions to our quarter were quite broad based. There was really no one part of the business that dominated that. We saw it it with our private equity fundraising. We saw it in our private capital solutions. We saw it in strategic advisory and our liability management, restructuring business held up very well.

Speaker 3

We've always pointed to our Private Capital Solutions business as a very significant growth opportunity. It's a leading practice, but I think there's still a lot more that we can do to take that business to yet another level and some of that is reflected in the year to date results. And some of that also is very clearly a increased demand on the part of GPs for monetization opportunities when they have assets that for a variety of reasons they'd rather continue to operate, but there's an opportunity to create choice and there's an opportunity to create liquidity for selected GPs I'm sorry, for selected LPs.

Speaker 2

Excellent. Thanks for the color, Paul.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Brennan Hawken with UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Good morning, Chris. Curious. Good to talk to you, Paul.

Speaker 2

So curious to get your perspectives. We just recently got a default and the beginning of a significant restructuring in direct lending via Pluralsites. So not sure whether or not your bankers are directly related or even if you'd comment, but as we see this emerge more as just generally like an indication for that market, What do you think is the important learning from that experience? And how does that inform your expectations for restructuring?

Speaker 3

I'd rather keep my comments more general and not talk about specific situations, but I think it begins to puncture this fear that somehow more direct lending, more private lending is an opportunity to bypass the ultimate need for active liability management. And the reality is that companies succeed and companies fail, whether they're financed in the public markets or the private markets. And ultimately, that's sort of the way of the world. And I do think that there's a real need that's being met by private capital, but the idea that somehow a bunch of lenders can amongst themselves just figure out how to restructure commitments that have been made with borrowers without there being various stakeholders who have different perspectives and need expert advice and capabilities, we just don't buy into. So no one ever enjoys seeing particular companies end up distressed, but the reality is we have unique capabilities that can help create more value out of those missteps than our competitors, and we're going to continue to aggressively market our services just to make sure that we can be helpful in as many situations as possible.

Speaker 3

And we don't view the private credit market as somehow close to helpful strategic and financial advice.

Speaker 2

Okay, great. Thanks. That's all very fair. Over time, Paul, you've provided color on the success that you've had in integrating PJT CamberView into your advisory practice, which I think is really quite differentiated. Can you talk about how that business has grown over time and how integrating those capabilities has contributed to the growth prospects for Strategic Advisory and what you expect in the medium term?

Speaker 3

Yes, it's a great question. And one of the reasons we don't talk about it on these calls as much is because it is so integrated into what we do. It's really the essence of what we do. We benefit in so many different ways. One way is we have a very significant group of former investors who bring an investing lens to many corporate situations and our ability to provide value added strategic IR assistance to clients as they tell their stories, as they help companies reset, as they help new management teams articulate their vision, that is part of what we do at our core.

Speaker 3

So that's just one example of a CamberView capability that is now fully integrated into pretty much everything we do. And in every client conversation, we're always spending time figuring out how we can help them with their external positioning, storytelling and how they can make sure that they're matching their vision with their communications. Then you've got leading governance franchise, and we have a unique ability to talk to the largest shareowners of many of our clients who are passive in terms of investing, but they're quite active in terms of governance. And ultimately, when you get to contested situations, being able to have the unique window into how your largest shareholders are going to absorb information and how they're going to think about contested situations is the value that we bring that others don't bring. So being able to match that up with our leading shareowner defense practice gives us unique windows.

Speaker 3

And then we have the basic footprint of all of the boardrooms and governance discussions that our CamberView colleagues are having that give us windows and opportunities to better tell the PJT story and to introduce banking teams to round out the overall service offering. So it's become quite seamless. We've benefited greatly. The headcount in that group has grown appreciably. Their commercial contribution to our franchise has grown significantly.

Speaker 3

And as I look back on that acquisition, that combination couldn't be prouder of what we've together achieved. So it's an integral part of what we're doing.

Speaker 2

Great. Thanks for that color, Paul. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Brendon O'Brien with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question.

Speaker 5

I guess to start, Paul, you mentioned interest rate cuts as being a potential driver of a step function increase in activity post election. Election. However, the election could also bring in a change in administration. Given your focus on larger cap deals, I just wanted to get a sense as to how more accommodated that FPC could impact activity levels in your view? How much has the current more restrictive regime maybe impeded activity of late?

Speaker 5

And any color you could provide there would be helpful.

Speaker 3

Sure. Look, I've said for a long time that I think this election is going to be extraordinarily volatile. I've said repeatedly that I didn't think investors fully appreciated the volatility that would come with this election. I think we've seen some of it and I suspect that as we turn the page to Labor Day and we have the spread through Election Day and beyond, there's probably a lot of volatility still to come. But I think once you get past that and there is clarity and there is an understanding as to the nature of the next administration, I think that that is going to be a positive regardless of which way this election turns out for deal making.

Speaker 3

I think there are lots of reasons for it. I think in some respects, it may be a change in antitrust and competitive posture. In others, it may be simply there is clarity on the world and ultimately companies will realize that there's no additional benefit of waiting and they're going to have to judge strategic transactions based on what's there. And then whether it's a second term of this Biden Harris administration or the first term of the Harris administration, it's likely to have a different composition as it relates to competitive posture and the like. And I think once you just get past all of that, my strong sense is that this will be positive for deal making environment.

Speaker 3

The TBD is how incrementally positive. But as I go through all of the permutations and the like, it's hard to come up with a scenario where it would be less inviting than it currently is. So that's one of the reasons why I think once we get past the elections, I think there'll be more clarity and likely more strategic activity. And I think sponsors, while they're starting to put their toes in the water, are probably going to be more forward leaning once there's the travel down in terms of rates and the exit multiples more closely match the entry multiples. And I think when you have the 2 of them working in combination, you have that coupled with a lot of pent up demand in terms of the alternative asset industry and with corporates for a step function increase.

Speaker 3

It's the potential, not a guarantee, but there is the potential for a step function increase.

Speaker 5

That's great color. Thanks, Paul. And I guess for my follow-up, I just wanted to touch on the comp ratio. Year to date results have been quite impressive and it seems like is a lot of momentum across your platform at the moment. However, you kept the comp ratio at 69.5%.

Speaker 5

Just wanted to get a sense as to whether we should be viewing this as an indication that maybe you won't be experiencing the same seasonality in back half revenues relative to first half? Or is this simply some conservatism or reflection of the continued elevated pace of recruiting?

Speaker 3

Look, what goes into that ratio is you're making estimates about full year performance. You're making estimates about full year recruiting. You're making estimates about what the competitive environment is. And at this point in the year, that remains our best estimate for the year. What I have also said repeatedly is that to get real comp leverage, you need to see strategic advisory revenues going back to 2020 to whenever equal or exceed headcount growth.

Speaker 3

And given the significant contraction in global M and A activity in 2022 and 2023 and what is still a modest recovery in 2024, I've always viewed that as much more of a 2025 and beyond phenomenon. And we one thing about us, we're consistent.

Operator

That's been our

Speaker 2

view. Great. Thank you for taking my questions.

Speaker 3

Absolutely.

Operator

Thank you. And that concludes our question and answer period. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Chapman for any closing remarks.

Speaker 3

I just want to thank everyone for participating today for your interest in our company and we look forward to speaking with you when we have the opportunity to report our Q3 results. So everyone have a wonderful day.

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