NYSE:ASC Ardmore Shipping Q2 2024 Earnings Report $9.60 +0.05 (+0.52%) Closing price 05/30/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$9.57 -0.03 (-0.26%) As of 05/30/2025 04:13 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Ardmore Shipping EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.13Consensus EPS $1.08Beat/MissBeat by +$0.05One Year Ago EPS$0.57Ardmore Shipping Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$121.30 millionExpected Revenue$80.51 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$40.79 millionYoY Revenue Growth+32.00%Ardmore Shipping Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date7/31/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateWednesday, July 31, 2024Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsArdmore Shipping's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, July 30, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Ardmore Shipping Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJuly 31, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Ardmore Shipping Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded and an audio webcast and presentation are available in the Investor Relations section of the company's website, arborshipping.com. We will conduct a question and answer session after the opening remarks. Instructions will follow at that time. A replay of their conference call will be accessible anytime during the next 2 weeks by dialing 1-eight eighty eight 660-6345 or 1646-517-4150 and entering passcode 88 347. Operator00:00:42At this time, I will turn the call over to Anthony Gurney, Chief Executive Officer of Ardmore Shipping. Speaker 100:00:51Good morning, and welcome to Ardmore Shipping's Q2 2024 Earnings Call. First, let me ask our CFO, Bart Kelleher to discuss forward looking statements. Speaker 200:01:01Thanks, Tony. Turning to Slide 2. Please allow me to remind you that our discussion today contains forward looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause the actual results to differ materially from those in the forward looking statements is contained in the Q2 2024 earnings release, which is available on our website. Speaker 200:01:27And now, I will turn the call back over to Tony. Speaker 100:01:30Thank you, Bart. So first, let me outline the format of today's call. To begin with, I will discuss the upcoming leadership transition, which we announced earlier this month. Following this, Geraint Ruppelt, who will be taking over as CEO in September, will clarify what this means for Ardmore. He will then discuss our 2nd quarter highlights, the near term market outlook and our capital allocation policy, after which Bart will provide an update on product and chemical tanker fundamentals and our financial performance, and then Gernot will conclude the presentation before opening up the call for questions. Speaker 100:02:03So turning first to slide 4 to discuss our leadership transition. Our succession plan has been underway for several years and aligns with what has always been my intention to retire around the age of 65. The Board has done a terrific job with the selection process. And quite frankly, as the founder of the company and a shareholder, I'm extremely pleased with the outcome. Together, Gurnau and Bart have a combined 50 years of experience in the shipping industry, spanning everything from strategy and operations to finance, naval architecture, chartering, sale and purchase brokerage, capital markets and practical experience on tankers. Speaker 100:02:39And in addition to Gernod and Bart, our COO, Mark Cameron our SVP, Corporate Services, Adena Driscoll and our newly promoted SVP, Commercial, Robert Gaina will round out the new senior management team effective September. I believe what you will see is a high degree of continuity in business philosophy and strategy continuing a dynamic and energetic approach to building Ardmore in the years to come, which I'm really looking forward to following along with the rest of you. And on that note, I'm more than happy to hand over the call to Gernav. Speaker 300:03:09Thank you, Tony. Ardmore has had an amazing journey since you founded the company in 2010. And while the company is looking ahead, speaking on behalf of the entire Ardmore staff, there is tremendous gratitude throughout the organization for what you have built over the past 14 years. I am excited to lead Ardmore into our next era to build on the company's substantial success and position us for the future and doing so with such a strong and unique team around me. Now turning to Slide 5. Speaker 300:03:44Let me expand on Tony's comments and provide further insights into our strategic thinking. The key message is continuity. Bartmoor's long term strategy has been very consistent over the years. It has been tested and it has been successful. Not only are both Bart and I supportive of the strategy, we have been part of the leadership team that has developed and executed on it. Speaker 300:04:09Our focus will continue to be on product and chemical tankers as well as the overlapping trades these ships are involved in. For Ardmore, this is a core area of expertise and is an important way to differentiate ourselves in the marketplace. We will continue to reinvest opportunistically as we have in the past. This includes opportunities for fleet modernization, vessel upgrades and growth, always provided that such transactions enabled us to increase long term shareholder value. And we remain committed to our capital allocation policy. Speaker 300:04:49Strategic continuity also means that we continue to evolve as a business. We will evaluate and embrace new ways to integrate technology and machine learning in how we run the company, both onboard and ashore. It also means that we will continue to build out the strong culture we have at Ardmore and to develop our incredibly competent and diverse teams. Thereby, we will strengthen our organization and increase our capabilities. Today, we have a fully integrated global platform. Speaker 300:05:24Our Shoreside team is strategically located across key regions and they work closely with our seafaring colleagues on board our modern fuel efficient fleet. This gives us the scale and reach to service a diverse high quality customer base. Our markets and our industry continue to change. Continued demand growth, the energy transition, environmental regulation, geopolitical complexity and the natural evolution of cargo and trade flows. We expect that all these factors will create ample opportunities and we believe that our agile and forward looking approach to running the business and developing our organization should position us well to capture these opportunities. Speaker 300:06:14Moving to Slide 6. You will have heard us discuss in the past how integrating performance and progress forms an important part of our cultural bedrock. This slide shows three examples of our approach to driving strong performance, while at the same time being a progressive company. As highlighted at the top, we performed to a very high standard when it comes to TCE results, both in terms of absolute and relative performance. Our breakeven levels are very low due to strong cost discipline throughout the cycle and minimal debt, which among other things has enabled us to provide a meaningful dividend yield to our shareholders. Speaker 300:06:57We continue to see a strong link between our operational performance and the way we embrace progress as a company. Today's performance paves the way for future investment and continued progress, which in turn further enhances our future performance. We have a dedicated team to seek out energy efficiency and innovation projects and we consistently rank at the top of the industry's ESG scorecard. With that, let us turn to our 2nd quarter earnings, the near term market outlook and an update on capital allocation. Turning to Slide 8. Speaker 300:07:36We have seen exceptionally strong rates in the seasonally slower summer period, reflecting positive fundamentals along with ongoing geopolitical impacts. Seasonal volatility is playing out around a very high baseline. Our 2nd quarter performance reflects robust market conditions with adjusted earnings of 47,600,000 dollars or $1.13 per share and elevated rates even in the seasonally slower 3rd quarter. Our MRs earned $41,400 per day for the 2nd quarter $33,700 per day so far in the 3rd quarter with 45% booked. And our chemical tankers on a capital adjusted basis earned $36,100 per day for the Q2 $31,200 per day for the Q3 with 50% booked so far. Speaker 300:08:32As you can see from the chart on the upper right, we see a robust market strength with TCE rates showing a substantial increase year on year. Meanwhile, we continue to execute on our long standing capital allocation policy. We are declaring another quarterly cash dividend of $0.38 per share consistent with our policy of paying out 1 third of adjusted earnings. And we also continue to invest in the fleet to improve performance and reduce emissions, while also taking a gradual and opportunistic approach to fleet modernization over time. Overall, Ardmore continues to benefit from having strategic focus and optimizing our spot trading performance, while tightly managing cost and reducing our breakeven level down $12,650 per day. Speaker 300:09:26Moving to Slide 9. The near term outlook continues to be very positive. Strong macro fundamentals are cemented by multiple layers of ton mile demand with limited supply additions. The chart on the upper right highlights the ongoing impact of the EU refined product embargo, which continues to drive higher ton miles due to the bifurcation of the global fleet. Some emerging trade routes such as exports from West Africa and biofuels from China to the U. Speaker 300:09:58S. And Europe are further supporting market strength. Finally, it also highlights the significantly extended voyage distances caused by the rerouting of vessels away from the Red Sea and around the Cape of Good Hope. As we pointed out in the past, this is only a relatively small portion of overall MR demand. Seen in isolation, the Red Sea situation is more in a large story and we're happy to touch on this further in Q and A. Speaker 300:10:26In addition, near term demand drivers are robust. As you can see from the graph on the lower right, global refinery runs have surpassed pre COVID highs with further growth forecasted into 2025. Also OPEC plus will start to phase out 2,200,000 barrels per day of supply cuts in September And the global economy remains resilient with IMF keeping forecasts steady with growth of 3.2% in 2024. Meanwhile, the low scheduled deliveries this year will result in limited net fleet growth. Moving to Slide 10, where we highlight our long standing capital allocation policy. Speaker 300:11:09Given our strong financial position, we continue to pursue all of our capital allocation priorities simultaneously, which are shown on this slide. In particular, we are pleased to declare another dividend of $0.38 per share highlighting our commitment to returning capital to shareholders. Meanwhile, we refinanced 2 of our lease ships while lowering our cash breakeven further. We continue to develop and evaluate potential transactions and this includes the gradual modernization of our fleet. And with that, I would like to hand Speaker 400:11:42the call over to Bart. Speaker 200:11:45Thanks, Gernot. Building upon Gernot's comments on the market outlook, we will further examine the industry fundamentals. As we've been discussing, the supply demand dynamics remain highly favorable. On Slide 12, we highlight the significant supply demand gap and I'll address each component in more detail in subsequent slides. As we can see from the green bars in this chart, the strong forecasted ton mile growth, which is a result of the positive underlying demand fundamentals and ongoing market dislocation. Speaker 200:12:19In contrast, we can see the limited net fleet growth across both product and chemical tankers and in particular MRs as indicated by the gray and blue bars. So overall, we believe the limited net fleet growth across these sectors combined with increasing ton miles supports ongoing market strength. Moving to Slide 13, where we highlight how the low MR Tanker order book contrasts sharply with a rapidly aging fleet. The chart on the left provides an important visual representation of the changes in the MR fleet over time. 15 years ago, as highlighted in the red quadrant, we observed a modern fleet with a large order book. Speaker 200:13:04However, over time, the order book has declined while the fleet has aged. Currently, as highlighted in the green quadrant, we have a low order book by historical standards and the oldest fleet in 2 decades with an average age of nearly 14 years. Looking at the graph on the right side, the current MR order book is equivalent to 11% of the existing fleet. But it's important to put this in context. Vessels over 15 years of age typically experience some trading restriction. Speaker 200:13:38And right now, 4 times as many MRs are over 15 years old compared to the new buildings on order. With the overall product tanker order book standing at 17% of the current fleet, it's important to reemphasize that the impact the lack of Aframax crude tanker newbuildings has on the overall product tanker order book. Currently, the Aframax crude tanker fleet is shrinking, while still experiencing demand expansion, including some notable growth as a result of the Trans Mountain pipeline, which recently opened in Western Canada. This implies that an increasing proportion of LR2s, most likely older vessels, will naturally transition to the crude trades to cover the shortfall in the Aframax fleet. Turning to Slide 14, where we address demand drivers in greater detail. Speaker 200:14:34As previously mentioned, the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine, coupled with the EU embargo on refined products, has resulted in persistent reordering of global product trades, thereby enhancing overall ton miles. At the same time, energy reality is moderating the pace of energy transition and market forecasts consistently indicate an annual increase in oil demand. In addition, the enduring trend of oil refinery and petrochemical production capacity expansion in the East along with closures in the West continues to drive increased ton miles. In summary, these positive long term fundamentals point to continued strength in the product and chemical tanker markets. Moving to Slide 16 and turning our attention to the company. Speaker 200:15:27Ardmore continues to build upon its financial strength. As a reminder, the chart on the bottom left highlights our focus on significantly reducing our cash breakeven levels, achieving a reduction of almost $4,000 per day in an elevated interest rate environment. As a result of our effective cost control, lower debt levels and access to revolving credit facilities, we see a potential pathway to further reduce our breakeven to below $11,500 per day. In the second quarter, we refinanced 2 of our leased vessels at our first available opportunity for a total of 41,000,000 dollars And as always, Ardmore is focused on optimizing performance while closely managing costs and preserving a strong balance sheet. Turning to Slide 17 for financial highlights. Speaker 200:16:23As noted, we're very pleased with our performance as we report results of $1.13 per share for the 2nd quarter. We are correspondingly reporting strong EBITDAR for the quarter and continue to frame EBITDAR as an important comparable valuation metric against our IFRS reporting peers. While I won't go into detail here, there is a full reconciliation of this presented in the appendix on Slide 29. While we continue to hold our $10,000,000 stake in Element 1, the developer of methanol to hydrogen reformer technology, in May, we divested our small stake in its affiliate E1 Marine for $1,650,000 realizing a modest gain of $500,000 However, given our position in Element 1, we will continue to benefit from E1 Marine's growth in the maritime sector. Also, please refer to Slide 30 in the appendix for our Q3 guidance numbers. Speaker 200:17:28Moving to Slide 18, examining our fleet. As highlighted in the chart on the upper right, the majority of our dry docking and fleet enhancement program for this year is now complete, with increased revenue days and enhanced earnings power expected for the balance of the year. Capital expenditure payments for the fleet in 2024 are currently forecasted approximately 25,000,000 including $15,000,000 of CapEx related to efficiency enhancing technologies and scrubber installations. 50% of our MR fleet now has scrubbers with a further 4 to be outfitted in 2025. Finally, we are preparing for the implementation of FuelEU Maritime, which comes into effect on January 1, 2025. Speaker 200:18:18While a lot of planning is going into this by our chartering and operations team, in essence, this is a pass through voyage expense. Also, it's important to note that this regulation increases market complexities, which likely lead to even greater trading inefficiencies, representing new opportunities for our nimble chartering team. Moving to Slide 19, where we highlight the power of our strong operating leverage. In these volatile markets, we can experience significant jumps in charter rates. So it's important to understand what a $10,000 per day increase in TCE rates means for our performance. Speaker 200:19:00It equates to an annual increase of about $2.30 in earnings per share and a boost of nearly $100,000,000 in free cash flow generation. That's the kind of exciting potential Ardmore is positioned to harness in this market. With that, I'm happy to hand the call back to Gerna and look forward to answering any questions at the end. Speaker 300:19:22Great. Thank you, Bart. To summarize then, 1st, the market. Rates continued their strong momentum in the 2nd quarter. Even during the seasonally slower Q3, we track rates up substantially year on year. Speaker 300:19:39Key drivers of this market strength are the persistent changes in product tanker trades due to the EU products embargo and other geopolitical factors creating more ton mile demand and new cargo flows. Long term market fundamentals are supported strongly by a significant supply gap, limited newbuilding deliveries and an aging fleet on one hand versus steady growth in oil demand and emerging new trades on the other. Regarding Ardmore, we are achieving strong TCE performance and simultaneously effective cost control enabling us to drive our breakeven lower. The result is a robust balance sheet, allowing us to execute on all our capital allocation priorities. Before we open up the call for questions, I'd like to hand over the call to Tony for some concluding remarks. Speaker 100:20:36Thank you, Gernod. Many people have been proving me why I'm retiring now. And the simple answer is that this has been in the works for many years as it was always my is I do believe we're in the middle of what I think of as a long cycle upturn that was 14 years in the making, part of a clear historical pattern and one where the upturn portion typically lasts 4 to 6 years. Of course, there are no guarantees, but I do believe that historical patterns as strong as this are usually very powerful predictors. Given this market outlook and the opportunities that lie ahead for Ardmore, this is not an easy time to step down. Speaker 100:21:18I will, of course, also miss friendships that have developed during 40 odd years in the industry as well as colleagues at Ardmore. But it is definitely the right time to move on to new challenges, and I also believe this is an excellent time to pass the torch on to what is an eminently qualified new generation. I have to say I'm very proud of the ArcMar team at all levels of the organization. As you can imagine with changes like this at the top, there is a knock on effect down many levels, likely all to be filled internally. It is therefore important to explain that the Ardmore team from top to bottom is bound not just by shared goals, but also shared values, in particular, our belief in the power of combining performance and progress. Speaker 100:21:58As a consequence, I'm very excited about Ardmore's prospects. I believe the company is better positioned to succeed now than ever before. And I look forward to watching it go from strength to strength in the years ahead. And with that, we'd like to open up the call for questions. Operator00:22:15Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and Your first question comes from the line of Jon Chappell from Evercore. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:22:50Thank you. Good afternoon. Congratulations, Tony. Heck of a run going out on top of the market and don't have to answer our questions anymore. So well done. Speaker 500:22:59So I'll ask my first one to Gurnau on the market. So Gurnau several years ago you locked in some time charters when the market was somewhat peaky. I think to get some balance and that proved to be very well timed. I think the outlook for the next 24 months is different than when you did that back in 2020. But just wondering how you're considering the balance of maybe locking in some duration here at elevated historical rates? Speaker 400:23:24Yes. Hi, John. Thank you and great question. And I think in general, the way we look at our time charter exposure is really governed by opportunity and not policy. And I think as you said correctly, we had taken on a lot more coverage in 2021 when markets were a lot more difficult and kind of switched to a more time charter in approach and we opened up the exposure for the year that came to fully capitalize on the market strength. Speaker 400:23:52I think looking ahead, there's always liquidity on deals and we're kind of evaluating those constantly. At the moment, we feel very strongly about the potential that the spot market holds for us, which is why we are predominantly in the spot market. We have done an interesting spread play where we took a ship extended one of our ships for 12 to 18 months, not an hour ago, rolled that spot over the winter months and then kind of locked in that remaining periods to realize adoption value at a significant premium kind of locking in, I think, dollars 2,500,000 So we can always continue to do sort of relative value plays. And as far as time charter opportunities are concerned, we're consistently monitoring. But right now, again, we think the potential of the spot market is quite significant. Speaker 500:24:39Okay. That makes sense. And Bart, I understand want to keep the strategy in place, especially as you go through the leadership transition and a strong balance sheet is a core of that. By anyone's estimation, you're going to be pretty close to net cash by the end of this year, if not before. So just wondering, as you think about a net cash position, does the capital allocation strategy change? Speaker 500:25:04Is there a difference in the way you're looking at risk aversion as it relates to current asset values? Just help us think about the early stages of 2025 if the path continues the way that we think it does. Speaker 200:25:17Sure. Thanks, John. I think as always, we're guided by the capital allocation policy that's been in place for a number of years. And we still do have some further scope for deleveraging through this year and always looking at and still making plans for investing in our current fleet to increase its efficiency. And also, you saw us do the pair trade, so on the potential for fleet modernization. Speaker 200:25:49So I think it really remains situational related to that, while also continuing to pay our substantial dividend. I think it's important to point out the benefit that we've had from this delevering mission, if we didn't do so, our breakeven would be close to $17,000 per day versus the current level of $12,650 and on a path to 11.5 And so as a consequence of that, we've got an additional $40,000,000 per annum of earnings or about $1 per share. So I think continue on that front, further enhance that and continue to see situationally if things come up on the investment front. Speaker 500:26:33Okay. Thanks, Bart. Congrats again to you and Dernod and all the best, Tony. Speaker 400:26:38Thank you, John. Thanks, John. Operator00:26:42Your next question comes from the line of Omar Khachta of Jefferies. Please ask your question. Speaker 600:26:50Thank you. Hey, guys. Good morning. Also, Tony, congrats on your retirement. And Gernot, Bart, also congrats on your elevated roles. Speaker 600:27:00A couple of questions. First, just kind of thinking about the way the market is and how you've been deploying capital. So maybe thinking about the last topic of discussion. Earlier this year, you acquired the 2017 built MR. We've seen prices, I think, firm from here. Speaker 600:27:20But just wanted to get a sense from you on how you're seeing values having trended since you acquired that vessel? And then also, do you see returns still looking compelling in the MR segment or in the chemicals? Any kind of color you can give on what you're seeing there in the sale and purchase market? Speaker 400:27:37Yes. Hi, Omar. Thanks for that. Look, I think we are really committed to the way we approach capital allocation through our capital allocation policy, where we can we return capital to shareholders, but also find different ways to reinvest in the business. And we have done a lot in terms of just really upgrading our existing fleet, sometimes with incredible returns between 40% to 100% IRR. Speaker 400:28:02But of course, as you're pointing out, we've also done an interesting spread play, selling one of our older ships in 2010 built at an incredibly strong price. And then also, of course, paying in accordingly appropriately for a market price for a much more fuel efficient, more modern and more versatile asset that was 2017 built. And I think that's how we will continue to approach the market, really being focused on opportunity across the whole bandwidth of reinvestment from upgrading our existing assets to continuing to be focused on gradual fee monetization or even growth. You're making a good point. Markets are very strong. Speaker 400:28:41We can't fight the markets. We're, of course, fully benefiting from that with the amount of cash flow we're generating here. But I think even within sort of the larger stroke cycle, which is very positive, there's always going to be opportunities to find pockets of value. It's a big sector, quite fragmented still and we're engaging kind of on all fronts to make sure that we identify opportunities as they develop. Speaker 600:29:08Thanks, Garnaut. And then just maybe on that spread trade, So the 10 that was sold in the 2017 acquired, do you is that kind of I mean, it seems like you've got the critical mass of 20 odd ships plus and you're obviously able to punch above your weight at least relative to other big companies, you're still able to capture very decent realized rate it seems quarter in quarter out. So perhaps growth isn't necessarily needed. So are you saying basically that you've got the footprint you want or need and further investments really just about fine tuning. So you'll sell maybe the 13s and replace with older ones. Speaker 600:29:46So kind of doing a spread trade, is that the thought or the ideal scenario going forward? Speaker 400:29:53Yes, I think that will continue to play a part, but I think we want to kind of think about not just growing the fleet, but also building the business and building the organization. So I think there's a lot we can do to evolve the business even around a consistent fleet size. But I don't think it has to be this binary. Again, I think for us, the approach is really finding value to make sure that we kind of look at this as lateral as possible. And as markets evolve and as opportunity presents themselves, kind of continue to pursue both avenues of reinvestment. Speaker 600:30:36Okay. Thank you. And one just one final one for me. Bart, you touched on this a bit on the E1 sale. Wondering if I recall at the time of that transaction a few years back, there was a preferred equity issuance as a result or as part of that transaction. Speaker 600:30:54Any interest I guess, one, the sale, does that sort of trigger? I know it's a small amount that was sold, but does that trigger in any way that preferred? And then also, is there interest on your part to redeem that? Speaker 200:31:08No. So, yes, good question, Omar. Yes, as a reminder to the listeners, when we did the transaction for E1 Marine and Element 1, we also simultaneously did a transaction to put a 40,000,000 dollars preferred equity piece on our balance sheet. And it really it's come to a point for the exit of E1 Marine after building up the business for 3 years. That company needs additional capital to scale. Speaker 200:31:38I mean, we thought about our own capital allocation policy and felt that it was best to exit. It doesn't trigger anything automatically for the preferred at all. And so going back to my answer for John, we see further pathway for deleveraging, enhancing the breakeven and then can continue to assess something from there, but no immediate plans in terms of taking action on the preferred. Speaker 700:32:14Very good. Thank you. Thanks Bart. Thanks, Gernot. And Tony, congrats again. Speaker 300:32:21Thanks Operator00:32:48Your next question comes from the line of Ben Nolan of Stifel. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:32:55Thank you. So I have a couple. The first is just I suspect I know the answer, but the eco mods are doing in the Q3 so far a bit better than the eco design. Is that just asset positioning or does this have some specific something that people find more desirable or is there anything to that? Speaker 400:33:26Yes. Hi, Ben. Good question. Right now, it's just a pretty small data set. The ecomod portion of the flu is now comparably small. Speaker 400:33:35And while the quarter is just underway, there's just not that many voyages booked yet. And of course, then you sometimes find different ratios between front haul, backhauls, triangulation opportunities that have to kind of fully average out over the quarter. These ships are very good ships. Of course, they've been under our care for a long time. 3 of them are now with the tonnage provider that we're close with on charter back to us and they're doing a really great job operating those ships. Speaker 400:34:03So even though they're on the older end of the age profile of our fleet, extremely well received in the marketplace, very broadly acceptable all majors. And so we can really fully face them to our hearts desire. And I think you can see this play out on the earnings. But again, just take this Speaker 300:34:22as a small data set for now. Sure. Speaker 700:34:25Okay. That's what I assumed. And then secondly, I've got 3, hopefully, that's okay. But secondly, on the Matterhorn, which horn, which started in, I believe it has Speaker 400:34:36an option to extend for 6 months in September. Speaker 700:34:36Curious when you have to exercise that option and what the rate is for the 6 month extension? What the rate is for the 6 month extension? Speaker 400:34:48All right. Yes. So that time chartering is actually structured as a min max period, where we don't actually have to exercise the option. We basically can read it over the ship by providing a notice and that gives us kind of full flexibility in that sense. So typical contracts, you're right, are kind of firm periods with option declaration dates, but in this case, it's just a min max period. Speaker 400:35:13So that's kind of that. Speaker 700:35:16Okay. That's helpful. And then, lastly for me, stepping into a new role, obviously, big shoes to fill here. As you and appreciating and you guys did cover this well, talking about continuity and sticking to the plan and so forth. But just sort of big picture, as you look out 3, 5 years down the line, what how would you envision success as the leader of the company? Speaker 700:35:48And it's a cyclical business and we all appreciate that. But what do you think that you can do and that you'd say mission accomplished? Speaker 400:35:59Yes. Good point, Ben. Definitely big shoes to fill and I'll be working very hard to do justice, but I have full faith in the team around me, including Bart, of course, who's got an incredible background and really diverse experience and a real high value network. And I think between him and I, we will do our best to be up to the task. Now in terms of my vision, looking ahead, yes, the point I made is very it's something I'd like to reiterate. Speaker 400:36:36We have had an incredible run, incredible journey, a well tested and successful strategy. But if I were to kind of fast forward, I think we would have as a company embraced opportunities to truly innovate the business in ways that we integrate technology, whether it's hardware or more machine learning, both assure and throughout the fleet. So innovation focus, being opportunistic on transactions and continuing to kind of build and develop the organization and the culture that we have. So looking back in 5 years, I would like to think that on those three elements, innovation, opportunistic transactions and culture, we would have continued to progress and advance as a company. Speaker 700:37:22Great. I appreciate it. And let me just say, Tony, congratulations, and I look forward to turning the tables and critiquing some of your efforts again To Bart Naughton, I'm excited Speaker 400:37:36to continue to work with you guys. Speaker 300:37:40Great. Thank you, Ben. Speaker 400:37:41Thank you. Thank you, Ben. Okay.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Leadership transition: Founder and CEO Anthony Gurney will retire around age 65, handing over to Gernot Ruppelt and CFO Bart Kelleher in September, with the new team committed to continuity in strategy and culture. Q2 earnings beat: Adjusted Q2 earnings were $47.6 million ($1.13/share), with MR tankers earning $41,400/day in Q2 and $33,700/day so far in Q3 (45% booked), and chemical tankers $36,100/day in Q2 and $31,200/day in Q3 (50% booked). Positive market outlook: Elevated rates are underpinned by the EU refined products embargo, Red Sea rerouting around the Cape of Good Hope, emerging routes (West Africa exports, China biofuels), and limited new supply additions. Disciplined capital allocation: Declared a $0.38/share quarterly dividend (one-third of adjusted earnings), refinanced two leased vessels, and continue to invest opportunistically in fleet modernization and fuel-efficiency technologies, targeting a breakeven below $11,500/day. Strong long-term fundamentals: The MR orderbook is only 11% of the fleet while average vessel age nears 14 years, global refinery runs exceed pre-COVID highs, and steady oil demand growth supports robust product and chemical tanker markets. AI Generated. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Ardmore Shipping Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded and an audio webcast and presentation are available in the Investor Relations section of the company's website, arborshipping.com. We will conduct a question and answer session after the opening remarks. Instructions will follow at that time. A replay of their conference call will be accessible anytime during the next 2 weeks by dialing 1-eight eighty eight 660-6345 or 1646-517-4150 and entering passcode 88 347. Operator00:00:42At this time, I will turn the call over to Anthony Gurney, Chief Executive Officer of Ardmore Shipping. Speaker 100:00:51Good morning, and welcome to Ardmore Shipping's Q2 2024 Earnings Call. First, let me ask our CFO, Bart Kelleher to discuss forward looking statements. Speaker 200:01:01Thanks, Tony. Turning to Slide 2. Please allow me to remind you that our discussion today contains forward looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause the actual results to differ materially from those in the forward looking statements is contained in the Q2 2024 earnings release, which is available on our website. Speaker 200:01:27And now, I will turn the call back over to Tony. Speaker 100:01:30Thank you, Bart. So first, let me outline the format of today's call. To begin with, I will discuss the upcoming leadership transition, which we announced earlier this month. Following this, Geraint Ruppelt, who will be taking over as CEO in September, will clarify what this means for Ardmore. He will then discuss our 2nd quarter highlights, the near term market outlook and our capital allocation policy, after which Bart will provide an update on product and chemical tanker fundamentals and our financial performance, and then Gernot will conclude the presentation before opening up the call for questions. Speaker 100:02:03So turning first to slide 4 to discuss our leadership transition. Our succession plan has been underway for several years and aligns with what has always been my intention to retire around the age of 65. The Board has done a terrific job with the selection process. And quite frankly, as the founder of the company and a shareholder, I'm extremely pleased with the outcome. Together, Gurnau and Bart have a combined 50 years of experience in the shipping industry, spanning everything from strategy and operations to finance, naval architecture, chartering, sale and purchase brokerage, capital markets and practical experience on tankers. Speaker 100:02:39And in addition to Gernod and Bart, our COO, Mark Cameron our SVP, Corporate Services, Adena Driscoll and our newly promoted SVP, Commercial, Robert Gaina will round out the new senior management team effective September. I believe what you will see is a high degree of continuity in business philosophy and strategy continuing a dynamic and energetic approach to building Ardmore in the years to come, which I'm really looking forward to following along with the rest of you. And on that note, I'm more than happy to hand over the call to Gernav. Speaker 300:03:09Thank you, Tony. Ardmore has had an amazing journey since you founded the company in 2010. And while the company is looking ahead, speaking on behalf of the entire Ardmore staff, there is tremendous gratitude throughout the organization for what you have built over the past 14 years. I am excited to lead Ardmore into our next era to build on the company's substantial success and position us for the future and doing so with such a strong and unique team around me. Now turning to Slide 5. Speaker 300:03:44Let me expand on Tony's comments and provide further insights into our strategic thinking. The key message is continuity. Bartmoor's long term strategy has been very consistent over the years. It has been tested and it has been successful. Not only are both Bart and I supportive of the strategy, we have been part of the leadership team that has developed and executed on it. Speaker 300:04:09Our focus will continue to be on product and chemical tankers as well as the overlapping trades these ships are involved in. For Ardmore, this is a core area of expertise and is an important way to differentiate ourselves in the marketplace. We will continue to reinvest opportunistically as we have in the past. This includes opportunities for fleet modernization, vessel upgrades and growth, always provided that such transactions enabled us to increase long term shareholder value. And we remain committed to our capital allocation policy. Speaker 300:04:49Strategic continuity also means that we continue to evolve as a business. We will evaluate and embrace new ways to integrate technology and machine learning in how we run the company, both onboard and ashore. It also means that we will continue to build out the strong culture we have at Ardmore and to develop our incredibly competent and diverse teams. Thereby, we will strengthen our organization and increase our capabilities. Today, we have a fully integrated global platform. Speaker 300:05:24Our Shoreside team is strategically located across key regions and they work closely with our seafaring colleagues on board our modern fuel efficient fleet. This gives us the scale and reach to service a diverse high quality customer base. Our markets and our industry continue to change. Continued demand growth, the energy transition, environmental regulation, geopolitical complexity and the natural evolution of cargo and trade flows. We expect that all these factors will create ample opportunities and we believe that our agile and forward looking approach to running the business and developing our organization should position us well to capture these opportunities. Speaker 300:06:14Moving to Slide 6. You will have heard us discuss in the past how integrating performance and progress forms an important part of our cultural bedrock. This slide shows three examples of our approach to driving strong performance, while at the same time being a progressive company. As highlighted at the top, we performed to a very high standard when it comes to TCE results, both in terms of absolute and relative performance. Our breakeven levels are very low due to strong cost discipline throughout the cycle and minimal debt, which among other things has enabled us to provide a meaningful dividend yield to our shareholders. Speaker 300:06:57We continue to see a strong link between our operational performance and the way we embrace progress as a company. Today's performance paves the way for future investment and continued progress, which in turn further enhances our future performance. We have a dedicated team to seek out energy efficiency and innovation projects and we consistently rank at the top of the industry's ESG scorecard. With that, let us turn to our 2nd quarter earnings, the near term market outlook and an update on capital allocation. Turning to Slide 8. Speaker 300:07:36We have seen exceptionally strong rates in the seasonally slower summer period, reflecting positive fundamentals along with ongoing geopolitical impacts. Seasonal volatility is playing out around a very high baseline. Our 2nd quarter performance reflects robust market conditions with adjusted earnings of 47,600,000 dollars or $1.13 per share and elevated rates even in the seasonally slower 3rd quarter. Our MRs earned $41,400 per day for the 2nd quarter $33,700 per day so far in the 3rd quarter with 45% booked. And our chemical tankers on a capital adjusted basis earned $36,100 per day for the Q2 $31,200 per day for the Q3 with 50% booked so far. Speaker 300:08:32As you can see from the chart on the upper right, we see a robust market strength with TCE rates showing a substantial increase year on year. Meanwhile, we continue to execute on our long standing capital allocation policy. We are declaring another quarterly cash dividend of $0.38 per share consistent with our policy of paying out 1 third of adjusted earnings. And we also continue to invest in the fleet to improve performance and reduce emissions, while also taking a gradual and opportunistic approach to fleet modernization over time. Overall, Ardmore continues to benefit from having strategic focus and optimizing our spot trading performance, while tightly managing cost and reducing our breakeven level down $12,650 per day. Speaker 300:09:26Moving to Slide 9. The near term outlook continues to be very positive. Strong macro fundamentals are cemented by multiple layers of ton mile demand with limited supply additions. The chart on the upper right highlights the ongoing impact of the EU refined product embargo, which continues to drive higher ton miles due to the bifurcation of the global fleet. Some emerging trade routes such as exports from West Africa and biofuels from China to the U. Speaker 300:09:58S. And Europe are further supporting market strength. Finally, it also highlights the significantly extended voyage distances caused by the rerouting of vessels away from the Red Sea and around the Cape of Good Hope. As we pointed out in the past, this is only a relatively small portion of overall MR demand. Seen in isolation, the Red Sea situation is more in a large story and we're happy to touch on this further in Q and A. Speaker 300:10:26In addition, near term demand drivers are robust. As you can see from the graph on the lower right, global refinery runs have surpassed pre COVID highs with further growth forecasted into 2025. Also OPEC plus will start to phase out 2,200,000 barrels per day of supply cuts in September And the global economy remains resilient with IMF keeping forecasts steady with growth of 3.2% in 2024. Meanwhile, the low scheduled deliveries this year will result in limited net fleet growth. Moving to Slide 10, where we highlight our long standing capital allocation policy. Speaker 300:11:09Given our strong financial position, we continue to pursue all of our capital allocation priorities simultaneously, which are shown on this slide. In particular, we are pleased to declare another dividend of $0.38 per share highlighting our commitment to returning capital to shareholders. Meanwhile, we refinanced 2 of our lease ships while lowering our cash breakeven further. We continue to develop and evaluate potential transactions and this includes the gradual modernization of our fleet. And with that, I would like to hand Speaker 400:11:42the call over to Bart. Speaker 200:11:45Thanks, Gernot. Building upon Gernot's comments on the market outlook, we will further examine the industry fundamentals. As we've been discussing, the supply demand dynamics remain highly favorable. On Slide 12, we highlight the significant supply demand gap and I'll address each component in more detail in subsequent slides. As we can see from the green bars in this chart, the strong forecasted ton mile growth, which is a result of the positive underlying demand fundamentals and ongoing market dislocation. Speaker 200:12:19In contrast, we can see the limited net fleet growth across both product and chemical tankers and in particular MRs as indicated by the gray and blue bars. So overall, we believe the limited net fleet growth across these sectors combined with increasing ton miles supports ongoing market strength. Moving to Slide 13, where we highlight how the low MR Tanker order book contrasts sharply with a rapidly aging fleet. The chart on the left provides an important visual representation of the changes in the MR fleet over time. 15 years ago, as highlighted in the red quadrant, we observed a modern fleet with a large order book. Speaker 200:13:04However, over time, the order book has declined while the fleet has aged. Currently, as highlighted in the green quadrant, we have a low order book by historical standards and the oldest fleet in 2 decades with an average age of nearly 14 years. Looking at the graph on the right side, the current MR order book is equivalent to 11% of the existing fleet. But it's important to put this in context. Vessels over 15 years of age typically experience some trading restriction. Speaker 200:13:38And right now, 4 times as many MRs are over 15 years old compared to the new buildings on order. With the overall product tanker order book standing at 17% of the current fleet, it's important to reemphasize that the impact the lack of Aframax crude tanker newbuildings has on the overall product tanker order book. Currently, the Aframax crude tanker fleet is shrinking, while still experiencing demand expansion, including some notable growth as a result of the Trans Mountain pipeline, which recently opened in Western Canada. This implies that an increasing proportion of LR2s, most likely older vessels, will naturally transition to the crude trades to cover the shortfall in the Aframax fleet. Turning to Slide 14, where we address demand drivers in greater detail. Speaker 200:14:34As previously mentioned, the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine, coupled with the EU embargo on refined products, has resulted in persistent reordering of global product trades, thereby enhancing overall ton miles. At the same time, energy reality is moderating the pace of energy transition and market forecasts consistently indicate an annual increase in oil demand. In addition, the enduring trend of oil refinery and petrochemical production capacity expansion in the East along with closures in the West continues to drive increased ton miles. In summary, these positive long term fundamentals point to continued strength in the product and chemical tanker markets. Moving to Slide 16 and turning our attention to the company. Speaker 200:15:27Ardmore continues to build upon its financial strength. As a reminder, the chart on the bottom left highlights our focus on significantly reducing our cash breakeven levels, achieving a reduction of almost $4,000 per day in an elevated interest rate environment. As a result of our effective cost control, lower debt levels and access to revolving credit facilities, we see a potential pathway to further reduce our breakeven to below $11,500 per day. In the second quarter, we refinanced 2 of our leased vessels at our first available opportunity for a total of 41,000,000 dollars And as always, Ardmore is focused on optimizing performance while closely managing costs and preserving a strong balance sheet. Turning to Slide 17 for financial highlights. Speaker 200:16:23As noted, we're very pleased with our performance as we report results of $1.13 per share for the 2nd quarter. We are correspondingly reporting strong EBITDAR for the quarter and continue to frame EBITDAR as an important comparable valuation metric against our IFRS reporting peers. While I won't go into detail here, there is a full reconciliation of this presented in the appendix on Slide 29. While we continue to hold our $10,000,000 stake in Element 1, the developer of methanol to hydrogen reformer technology, in May, we divested our small stake in its affiliate E1 Marine for $1,650,000 realizing a modest gain of $500,000 However, given our position in Element 1, we will continue to benefit from E1 Marine's growth in the maritime sector. Also, please refer to Slide 30 in the appendix for our Q3 guidance numbers. Speaker 200:17:28Moving to Slide 18, examining our fleet. As highlighted in the chart on the upper right, the majority of our dry docking and fleet enhancement program for this year is now complete, with increased revenue days and enhanced earnings power expected for the balance of the year. Capital expenditure payments for the fleet in 2024 are currently forecasted approximately 25,000,000 including $15,000,000 of CapEx related to efficiency enhancing technologies and scrubber installations. 50% of our MR fleet now has scrubbers with a further 4 to be outfitted in 2025. Finally, we are preparing for the implementation of FuelEU Maritime, which comes into effect on January 1, 2025. Speaker 200:18:18While a lot of planning is going into this by our chartering and operations team, in essence, this is a pass through voyage expense. Also, it's important to note that this regulation increases market complexities, which likely lead to even greater trading inefficiencies, representing new opportunities for our nimble chartering team. Moving to Slide 19, where we highlight the power of our strong operating leverage. In these volatile markets, we can experience significant jumps in charter rates. So it's important to understand what a $10,000 per day increase in TCE rates means for our performance. Speaker 200:19:00It equates to an annual increase of about $2.30 in earnings per share and a boost of nearly $100,000,000 in free cash flow generation. That's the kind of exciting potential Ardmore is positioned to harness in this market. With that, I'm happy to hand the call back to Gerna and look forward to answering any questions at the end. Speaker 300:19:22Great. Thank you, Bart. To summarize then, 1st, the market. Rates continued their strong momentum in the 2nd quarter. Even during the seasonally slower Q3, we track rates up substantially year on year. Speaker 300:19:39Key drivers of this market strength are the persistent changes in product tanker trades due to the EU products embargo and other geopolitical factors creating more ton mile demand and new cargo flows. Long term market fundamentals are supported strongly by a significant supply gap, limited newbuilding deliveries and an aging fleet on one hand versus steady growth in oil demand and emerging new trades on the other. Regarding Ardmore, we are achieving strong TCE performance and simultaneously effective cost control enabling us to drive our breakeven lower. The result is a robust balance sheet, allowing us to execute on all our capital allocation priorities. Before we open up the call for questions, I'd like to hand over the call to Tony for some concluding remarks. Speaker 100:20:36Thank you, Gernod. Many people have been proving me why I'm retiring now. And the simple answer is that this has been in the works for many years as it was always my is I do believe we're in the middle of what I think of as a long cycle upturn that was 14 years in the making, part of a clear historical pattern and one where the upturn portion typically lasts 4 to 6 years. Of course, there are no guarantees, but I do believe that historical patterns as strong as this are usually very powerful predictors. Given this market outlook and the opportunities that lie ahead for Ardmore, this is not an easy time to step down. Speaker 100:21:18I will, of course, also miss friendships that have developed during 40 odd years in the industry as well as colleagues at Ardmore. But it is definitely the right time to move on to new challenges, and I also believe this is an excellent time to pass the torch on to what is an eminently qualified new generation. I have to say I'm very proud of the ArcMar team at all levels of the organization. As you can imagine with changes like this at the top, there is a knock on effect down many levels, likely all to be filled internally. It is therefore important to explain that the Ardmore team from top to bottom is bound not just by shared goals, but also shared values, in particular, our belief in the power of combining performance and progress. Speaker 100:21:58As a consequence, I'm very excited about Ardmore's prospects. I believe the company is better positioned to succeed now than ever before. And I look forward to watching it go from strength to strength in the years ahead. And with that, we'd like to open up the call for questions. Operator00:22:15Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and Your first question comes from the line of Jon Chappell from Evercore. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:22:50Thank you. Good afternoon. Congratulations, Tony. Heck of a run going out on top of the market and don't have to answer our questions anymore. So well done. Speaker 500:22:59So I'll ask my first one to Gurnau on the market. So Gurnau several years ago you locked in some time charters when the market was somewhat peaky. I think to get some balance and that proved to be very well timed. I think the outlook for the next 24 months is different than when you did that back in 2020. But just wondering how you're considering the balance of maybe locking in some duration here at elevated historical rates? Speaker 400:23:24Yes. Hi, John. Thank you and great question. And I think in general, the way we look at our time charter exposure is really governed by opportunity and not policy. And I think as you said correctly, we had taken on a lot more coverage in 2021 when markets were a lot more difficult and kind of switched to a more time charter in approach and we opened up the exposure for the year that came to fully capitalize on the market strength. Speaker 400:23:52I think looking ahead, there's always liquidity on deals and we're kind of evaluating those constantly. At the moment, we feel very strongly about the potential that the spot market holds for us, which is why we are predominantly in the spot market. We have done an interesting spread play where we took a ship extended one of our ships for 12 to 18 months, not an hour ago, rolled that spot over the winter months and then kind of locked in that remaining periods to realize adoption value at a significant premium kind of locking in, I think, dollars 2,500,000 So we can always continue to do sort of relative value plays. And as far as time charter opportunities are concerned, we're consistently monitoring. But right now, again, we think the potential of the spot market is quite significant. Speaker 500:24:39Okay. That makes sense. And Bart, I understand want to keep the strategy in place, especially as you go through the leadership transition and a strong balance sheet is a core of that. By anyone's estimation, you're going to be pretty close to net cash by the end of this year, if not before. So just wondering, as you think about a net cash position, does the capital allocation strategy change? Speaker 500:25:04Is there a difference in the way you're looking at risk aversion as it relates to current asset values? Just help us think about the early stages of 2025 if the path continues the way that we think it does. Speaker 200:25:17Sure. Thanks, John. I think as always, we're guided by the capital allocation policy that's been in place for a number of years. And we still do have some further scope for deleveraging through this year and always looking at and still making plans for investing in our current fleet to increase its efficiency. And also, you saw us do the pair trade, so on the potential for fleet modernization. Speaker 200:25:49So I think it really remains situational related to that, while also continuing to pay our substantial dividend. I think it's important to point out the benefit that we've had from this delevering mission, if we didn't do so, our breakeven would be close to $17,000 per day versus the current level of $12,650 and on a path to 11.5 And so as a consequence of that, we've got an additional $40,000,000 per annum of earnings or about $1 per share. So I think continue on that front, further enhance that and continue to see situationally if things come up on the investment front. Speaker 500:26:33Okay. Thanks, Bart. Congrats again to you and Dernod and all the best, Tony. Speaker 400:26:38Thank you, John. Thanks, John. Operator00:26:42Your next question comes from the line of Omar Khachta of Jefferies. Please ask your question. Speaker 600:26:50Thank you. Hey, guys. Good morning. Also, Tony, congrats on your retirement. And Gernot, Bart, also congrats on your elevated roles. Speaker 600:27:00A couple of questions. First, just kind of thinking about the way the market is and how you've been deploying capital. So maybe thinking about the last topic of discussion. Earlier this year, you acquired the 2017 built MR. We've seen prices, I think, firm from here. Speaker 600:27:20But just wanted to get a sense from you on how you're seeing values having trended since you acquired that vessel? And then also, do you see returns still looking compelling in the MR segment or in the chemicals? Any kind of color you can give on what you're seeing there in the sale and purchase market? Speaker 400:27:37Yes. Hi, Omar. Thanks for that. Look, I think we are really committed to the way we approach capital allocation through our capital allocation policy, where we can we return capital to shareholders, but also find different ways to reinvest in the business. And we have done a lot in terms of just really upgrading our existing fleet, sometimes with incredible returns between 40% to 100% IRR. Speaker 400:28:02But of course, as you're pointing out, we've also done an interesting spread play, selling one of our older ships in 2010 built at an incredibly strong price. And then also, of course, paying in accordingly appropriately for a market price for a much more fuel efficient, more modern and more versatile asset that was 2017 built. And I think that's how we will continue to approach the market, really being focused on opportunity across the whole bandwidth of reinvestment from upgrading our existing assets to continuing to be focused on gradual fee monetization or even growth. You're making a good point. Markets are very strong. Speaker 400:28:41We can't fight the markets. We're, of course, fully benefiting from that with the amount of cash flow we're generating here. But I think even within sort of the larger stroke cycle, which is very positive, there's always going to be opportunities to find pockets of value. It's a big sector, quite fragmented still and we're engaging kind of on all fronts to make sure that we identify opportunities as they develop. Speaker 600:29:08Thanks, Garnaut. And then just maybe on that spread trade, So the 10 that was sold in the 2017 acquired, do you is that kind of I mean, it seems like you've got the critical mass of 20 odd ships plus and you're obviously able to punch above your weight at least relative to other big companies, you're still able to capture very decent realized rate it seems quarter in quarter out. So perhaps growth isn't necessarily needed. So are you saying basically that you've got the footprint you want or need and further investments really just about fine tuning. So you'll sell maybe the 13s and replace with older ones. Speaker 600:29:46So kind of doing a spread trade, is that the thought or the ideal scenario going forward? Speaker 400:29:53Yes, I think that will continue to play a part, but I think we want to kind of think about not just growing the fleet, but also building the business and building the organization. So I think there's a lot we can do to evolve the business even around a consistent fleet size. But I don't think it has to be this binary. Again, I think for us, the approach is really finding value to make sure that we kind of look at this as lateral as possible. And as markets evolve and as opportunity presents themselves, kind of continue to pursue both avenues of reinvestment. Speaker 600:30:36Okay. Thank you. And one just one final one for me. Bart, you touched on this a bit on the E1 sale. Wondering if I recall at the time of that transaction a few years back, there was a preferred equity issuance as a result or as part of that transaction. Speaker 600:30:54Any interest I guess, one, the sale, does that sort of trigger? I know it's a small amount that was sold, but does that trigger in any way that preferred? And then also, is there interest on your part to redeem that? Speaker 200:31:08No. So, yes, good question, Omar. Yes, as a reminder to the listeners, when we did the transaction for E1 Marine and Element 1, we also simultaneously did a transaction to put a 40,000,000 dollars preferred equity piece on our balance sheet. And it really it's come to a point for the exit of E1 Marine after building up the business for 3 years. That company needs additional capital to scale. Speaker 200:31:38I mean, we thought about our own capital allocation policy and felt that it was best to exit. It doesn't trigger anything automatically for the preferred at all. And so going back to my answer for John, we see further pathway for deleveraging, enhancing the breakeven and then can continue to assess something from there, but no immediate plans in terms of taking action on the preferred. Speaker 700:32:14Very good. Thank you. Thanks Bart. Thanks, Gernot. And Tony, congrats again. Speaker 300:32:21Thanks Operator00:32:48Your next question comes from the line of Ben Nolan of Stifel. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:32:55Thank you. So I have a couple. The first is just I suspect I know the answer, but the eco mods are doing in the Q3 so far a bit better than the eco design. Is that just asset positioning or does this have some specific something that people find more desirable or is there anything to that? Speaker 400:33:26Yes. Hi, Ben. Good question. Right now, it's just a pretty small data set. The ecomod portion of the flu is now comparably small. Speaker 400:33:35And while the quarter is just underway, there's just not that many voyages booked yet. And of course, then you sometimes find different ratios between front haul, backhauls, triangulation opportunities that have to kind of fully average out over the quarter. These ships are very good ships. Of course, they've been under our care for a long time. 3 of them are now with the tonnage provider that we're close with on charter back to us and they're doing a really great job operating those ships. Speaker 400:34:03So even though they're on the older end of the age profile of our fleet, extremely well received in the marketplace, very broadly acceptable all majors. And so we can really fully face them to our hearts desire. And I think you can see this play out on the earnings. But again, just take this Speaker 300:34:22as a small data set for now. Sure. Speaker 700:34:25Okay. That's what I assumed. And then secondly, I've got 3, hopefully, that's okay. But secondly, on the Matterhorn, which horn, which started in, I believe it has Speaker 400:34:36an option to extend for 6 months in September. Speaker 700:34:36Curious when you have to exercise that option and what the rate is for the 6 month extension? What the rate is for the 6 month extension? Speaker 400:34:48All right. Yes. So that time chartering is actually structured as a min max period, where we don't actually have to exercise the option. We basically can read it over the ship by providing a notice and that gives us kind of full flexibility in that sense. So typical contracts, you're right, are kind of firm periods with option declaration dates, but in this case, it's just a min max period. Speaker 400:35:13So that's kind of that. Speaker 700:35:16Okay. That's helpful. And then, lastly for me, stepping into a new role, obviously, big shoes to fill here. As you and appreciating and you guys did cover this well, talking about continuity and sticking to the plan and so forth. But just sort of big picture, as you look out 3, 5 years down the line, what how would you envision success as the leader of the company? Speaker 700:35:48And it's a cyclical business and we all appreciate that. But what do you think that you can do and that you'd say mission accomplished? Speaker 400:35:59Yes. Good point, Ben. Definitely big shoes to fill and I'll be working very hard to do justice, but I have full faith in the team around me, including Bart, of course, who's got an incredible background and really diverse experience and a real high value network. And I think between him and I, we will do our best to be up to the task. Now in terms of my vision, looking ahead, yes, the point I made is very it's something I'd like to reiterate. Speaker 400:36:36We have had an incredible run, incredible journey, a well tested and successful strategy. But if I were to kind of fast forward, I think we would have as a company embraced opportunities to truly innovate the business in ways that we integrate technology, whether it's hardware or more machine learning, both assure and throughout the fleet. So innovation focus, being opportunistic on transactions and continuing to kind of build and develop the organization and the culture that we have. So looking back in 5 years, I would like to think that on those three elements, innovation, opportunistic transactions and culture, we would have continued to progress and advance as a company. Speaker 700:37:22Great. I appreciate it. And let me just say, Tony, congratulations, and I look forward to turning the tables and critiquing some of your efforts again To Bart Naughton, I'm excited Speaker 400:37:36to continue to work with you guys. Speaker 300:37:40Great. Thank you, Ben. Speaker 400:37:41Thank you. Thank you, Ben. Okay.Read morePowered by