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Earnings HistoryForecast Smith Douglas Homes EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.40Consensus EPS $0.37Beat/MissBeat by +$0.03One Year Ago EPSN/ASmith Douglas Homes Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$220.90 millionExpected Revenue$208.02 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$12.88 millionYoY Revenue Growth+21.70%Smith Douglas Homes Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date8/14/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateWednesday, August 14, 2024Conference Call Time8:30AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Smith Douglas Homes Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 14, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. My name is Kayla, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Smith Douglas Homes Second Quarter of 2024 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:29I would now like to turn the call over to Joe Thomas, Senior Vice President of Accounting and Finance. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:40Good morning, and welcome to Smith Douglas' earnings conference call. We issued a press release this morning outlining our results for the Q2 of 2024, which we will discuss on today's call and can be found on our website at investors. Smithdouglas.com or by selecting the Investor Relations link at the bottom of our homepage. Please note this call will be simultaneously webcast on the Investor Relations section of our website. Before this call begins, I'd like to remind everyone that certain statements made on this call, which are not historical facts, including statements concerning future and operating goals and performance, are forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:18Actual results could differ materially from such statements due to known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other important factors as detailed in the company's SEC filings. Except as required by law, the company undertakes no duty to update these forward looking statements. Additionally, reconciliations of non GAAP financial measures discussed on this call to the most comparable GAAP measures can be found in our press release located on our website and our SEC filings. Hosting the call this morning are Greg Bennett, the company's CEO and Vice Chairman and Russ Devendorf, our Executive Vice President and CFO. I'd now like to turn the call over to Greg. Speaker 200:01:56Thanks, Joe, and welcome to the team. As we announced last month, Joe is our new Senior Vice President of Accounting and Finance, taking over from Eddie Clyde, who has transitioned to a role of Division President for the company's newly established Central Georgia Division. Joe comes to us from Bank of America where he provided investment banking services to a number of clients and played a key role in our initial public offering earlier this year. We're thrilled to have Joe as part of the team and expect great things from Eddie in his new operational role. Turning to our Q2 results, Smith Douglas reported pretax income of $25,900,000 which translates to $0.40 per diluted share for the quarter. Speaker 200:02:44We closed 6 53 homes during the quarter, which was above our stated guidance and represents a 17% increase over Q2 of 2023 and generated $220,900,000 in home closing revenue. Home closing gross margin also came in above guidance at 26 0.7%. That's a combination of solid demand, stable pricing and cost containment resulting in better margin performance than we had forecasted. Net new home orders for the quarter came in at 715 percent representing a 17% year over year increase. We continue to experience a favorable operating environment in our markets highlighted by low level of existing home inventory, healthy job growth and stable in migration. Speaker 200:03:40Demand trends were fairly consistent across our divisions, thanks to our new home offerings, which we believe hit the sweet spot of our market in terms of price, customization and value. It's no secret there's a real need for quality affordable housing in this country and we pride ourselves on being leader and provide solutions to meet these needs. Another aspect of our business we take great pride in and have spoken about previously is our operational efficiency. Home building is a very competitive industry and success often comes down to how well you execute. From the very beginning, we instill a culture of discipline and accountability at Smith Douglas. Speaker 200:04:25We constantly look for ways to improve our operations from the way we underwrite land deals to the way we procure labor and materials to how we build and sell homes. We feel this is one of our main differentiators and is demonstrated by our cycle time remaining in line with our expectations at approximately 60 days outside of our Houston division, which we continue to successfully integrate into the Smith Douglas operating model and have fully migrated on our IT system. We also feel this efficient cycle time has helped reduce our cancellation rate, which was 11.8% for the 2nd quarter. The final pillar of our operational focus is our landline strategy. We are homebuilders first and foremost, which means we view land as a necessary component of our business rather than something for speculative investing. Speaker 200:05:23We also know land and land development is one of the most costly and unpredictable aspects of this business. As a result, we have made it a priority to eliminate as much of the land risk from our operations as possible by tying up land with option agreements and seeking to take ownership of lots on as close to a just in time basis as possible. At the end of the second quarter, 96% of our unstarted controlled lots were controlled via option agreement. While this land acquisition strategy can result in higher lot cost in an upwardly trending market, we feel it serves as an insurance policy against potential downturns. It also allows us to deploy our capital more efficiently and generate better returns. Speaker 200:06:15Overall, we feel good about the current state of our operations. We believe we have the right strategy in place in the right markets to allow us to grow our homebuilding operations beyond what they are today. The macro environment remains positive and there continues to be a real desire for homeownership in this country. Our balance sheet is in great shape and we have a solid momentum as we head into the second half of the year. As a result, we believe we are well positioned to achieve our goals for this year and beyond. Speaker 200:06:49With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Russ to provide more detail on our performance this quarter and give an update on our outlook for the year. Speaker 300:07:00Thanks, Greg. I'm going to highlight some of our results for the Q2 and conclude my remarks with our expectations and outlook for the Q3 and full year for 2024. As Greg mentioned, we finished the 2nd quarter with $220,900,000 of revenue on 653 closings for an average sales price on closed homes of 338,000. Our gross margin was 26.7 percent and SG and A was 14.4 percent of revenue, which includes a true up for annual incentive bonuses that accounted for 30 basis points of the total. Pretax income was $25,900,000 with net income of $24,700,000 for the quarter. Speaker 300:07:36Given the nature of our Upstate organizational structure, our reported net income reflects an effective tax rate of 4.4% on the face of our income statement. This income tax expense is primarily attributable to the income related to the 17.3 percent economic ownership of our public shareholders that is held by Smith Douglas Homes Corp and Smith Douglas Holdings LLC. Our adjusted net income, which is a non GAAP measure that we believe is useful given our organizational structure is $19,400,000 for the quarter and assumes a 25% blended federal and state effective tax rate as if we had 100% public ownership operating as a subchapter C corporation. We believe adjusted net income is a useful metric because it allows management and investors to evaluate our operating performance and comparability more effectively to industry peers that may have a more traditional organizational and tax structure. You can find more information about our structure and income taxes in the footnotes of our financial statements. Speaker 300:08:32Our net income for the quarter included a one time charge of 1,200,000 related to a purchase accounting adjustment for the true up of the expected earn out payment related to our Devon Street acquisition that will be paid early next year. This expense is included in other expenses on our income statement. We finished the Q1 with over 15,800 total controlled lots, an increase of 81% over the Q2 of 2023 and just over 12% from the Q1 of this year. Our Corporate Investment Committee, which meets every week to review and approve new land deals continues to remain busy as we focus on increasing market share and driving scale throughout our existing footprint. We expect our lot supply to stay within a targeted range between 3.5 to 5.5 years of supply calculated based on our forecasted closings over a rolling 12 month period. Speaker 300:09:19We finished the 2nd quarter with 1173 homes in backlog with an average selling price of $345,000 and an expected gross margin on those homes of approximately 26%. We finished the quarter operating out of 75 active selling communities versus 70 at the end of the Q1. Looking at our balance sheet, we ended the quarter with approximately $17,000,000 of cash and no borrowings under our $250,000,000 revolving credit facility and $344,600,000 of total members and stockholders' equity. Our debt to book capitalization was 1.1% and our net debt to net book capitalization was negative 4.1%. We had approximately $220,000,000 available on our unsecured credit facility and are well positioned to execute on our growth strategy as Greg previously mentioned. Speaker 300:10:04Now I'd like to summarize our outlook for the Q3 and full year for 2024. We anticipate our Q3 home closings to finish between 725 between $340,000 $345,000 with gross margin in the range of 26% to 26.5%. For the full year 2024, we are projecting total home closings between 2,6502,800 Homes, an increase of 50 closings to the low end of our prior guidance. We expect our average selling price to range between $339,000 to $343,000 and our home closing gross margin to finish between 26% to 26.75 percent, which is a 25 basis point increase to the low end of our prior guidance. Additionally, we continue to expect our SG and A expense ratio to be in the range of 13.75% and 14.25% for the full year, which includes approximately 4.20 basis points for internal and external sales commissions. Speaker 300:11:02We believe the primary risk to our projections are around our ability to maintain sales pace and bring our new communities and lots online. As I have mentioned on prior calls, we continue to see some delays with municipalities on permitting and plants. Macroeconomic factors primarily around jobs, inflation and interest rates could also have unforeseen impacts to our numbers. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to the operator for instructions on Q and A. Operator00:11:35Our first question comes from the line of Michael Rehaut with JPMorgan. Your line is open. Speaker 400:11:42Hi, thanks for taking my questions. This is Zandra Ozzie on for Mike. I was just hoping to maybe get some more granularity on and an update on community count growth and how you're thinking about it as we go through the year and maybe any initial thoughts for next year? Thank you. Speaker 300:12:00Hi, Andrew. Yes, from a community count perspective, and I think we've stated this before, we expect to end somewhere maybe 2 or 3 more communities higher than where we're at the end of the quarter, somewhere in the 70 probably 76 to 79, 80 range. So we'd expect it to grow a little bit. I mean, there's some communities that are coming offline just from exceeding sales. And then we're hoping to again bring some of our communities online on time or a little bit faster. Speaker 300:12:37We are experiencing as I mentioned some flat delays, but so that's where we would expect. And then into next year, we haven't really provided any guidance yet, but maybe on the next quarter we'll give some updates on communities as well as kind of sales and closings for next year. Speaker 400:12:57Thanks, Ross. And then maybe if we could drill down a little bit on your demand trends over the last few months, any kind of progression you can give us or how the sales pace is coming through the door maybe versus your expectations? Speaker 200:13:15Yes, I'll take that one. And our current trends are probably slightly off from typical seasonality. We're still seeing a lot of demand. The last few weeks have been good, although you've got the typical seasons with school starting, we just had a storm move through a lot of our coastal, I mean, a lot of our Carolina divisions and had some interruptions with those sorts of things. So it's kind of hard to pinpoint some of that, but I think seasonality is maybe just a little soft, but those trends are the same. Speaker 300:13:58Yes. Just to add on to that, as Greg mentioned, we also had, Houston got hit pretty hard with a storm during the quarter. But as you would expect, I mean, you can see absorptions trended down a little bit. When you looked at our monthly net sales through the quarter, April May were actually about flat in terms of their sales. I think we were at 2.46 and 2.53 in May and then June tailed off a bit for the balance. Speaker 300:14:28So we again that was that's kind of your typical seasonality, but also I think there was some weather factors in there. Operator00:14:40And your next question comes from the line of Rafe Judraus with Bank of America. Your line is open. Speaker 500:14:47Hi, good morning. It's Ray. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask on just on Devon Street in Houston. Can you talk a little bit about what the margins are for that division compared to sort of the legacy business and how you're seeing the progress there in terms of integrating them? Speaker 300:15:08Yes. So to take the last part of it, integration is going as good as we could have expected. I think as we've mentioned on last quarter, we had continued to kind of migrate systems, getting them into the Smith Douglas way of doing business and that has continued. I think as of today, we are totally 100% migrated onto our system. We've had our team meetings out there. Speaker 300:15:33So again, we've continued to we've turned over the brand, right? So the brand was turned over pretty early. We are building out some of the legacy homes, floor plans, but we've already started to integrate our models. We're doing more of the Smith Douglas marketing CRM. So everything's on track and really a shout out to that team. Speaker 300:15:58I mean they've been phenomenal. I think maybe we've lost one person in the last year. So we just hit our 1 year anniversary, but extremely great team and it's been a great acquisition for us and I think they're going to exceed the closings that we had projected for them for this year. And then just in terms of margins, as good as we could have expected as well. They're hitting the mid-20s, 25% gross margin. Speaker 300:16:29And I think that's consistent with their legacy business and probably a little bit higher than we would have expected to be honest. I think because we were going to try and push a little more volume than they had done in the past and we thought that was going to come a little more at the expense of margin. But yes, it's been good. The first half of the year, the first quarter was great. Sales and demand was great. Speaker 300:16:55But I also think again, they followed a little bit of the typical seasonal pattern in the Q2. But yes, it's going well. Speaker 500:17:05That's really helpful. And then, just you raised the low end of the gross margin outlook. Can you say like what's driving that increase and what are you assuming for stick and brick cost and land inflation for the second half of the year? Speaker 300:17:22Yes. So we raised it because margins have been coming in better for our sales in Q2. So it's just really a function of we've been able to raise prices in excess of cost inflation and that's really more on the direct cost side. Our land cost is really what's driving year over year land cost is what's driving the margin erosion, right? I think our land cost maybe it's up about 300 basis points as a percentage revenue versus last year. Speaker 300:17:58But that's the big driver. I don't have the percentages in front of me. I mean, maybe we can talk offline. But it's all in the land cost, which is driving that margin erosion. But as I mentioned our backlog our margin and backlog is about 26%. Speaker 300:18:15So through the first half of the year I think we're what 26 point percent through the 1st 6 months and with backlog at 26, yes, I think that 26% to 26.75% is a pretty safe range. Okay. Speaker 500:18:30Thank you. That's helpful. Speaker 300:18:32Sure. Operator00:18:35And your next question comes from the line of Mike Dahl with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open. Speaker 600:18:42Hey, thanks for taking my questions. Russ, maybe just to follow-up on that comment on backlog margins. I think coming out of the gate, you've been giving a range plus or minus around where your current backlog margin sits? And if I heard you correctly, if your current backlog margin is at 26%, you're guiding 26% percent to 26.5 percent for 3Q. So you're not really necessarily assuming like incremental erosion at the low end, maybe just help us understand kind of how you're thinking through, whether it's mix or otherwise, what's going to deliver in 3Q versus that backlog margin? Speaker 300:19:25Yes, it's more mix related. I think you've got just the way it's trending. I think you've got a little bit higher gross margin probably hitting in Q3 than Q4, if I recall correctly. So I think that's it's just more of a mix. And we're pretty baked in terms of kind of trying to get to that low end closing number. Speaker 300:19:51When you look at our closings plus our backlog scheduled to close this year and that assumes that nothing falls out right from a cancellation standpoint. I mean we feel pretty good about getting to that 26.50. We're getting to a point in the year where maybe we've got another month or so of where we can sell and close in the year. And we kind of we just need to see how the margin trends continue. We've got some specs in the ground that also can close this year and part of that's just how much discounting or when you have to do maybe to move some of those specs. Speaker 300:20:30So that's why that's the reason for the range. Even though we're at 26.5% for the year and backlog is at 26%, I think there's some mix in there and then it just depends on maybe what we can move some of these specs at and what some of the demand trends in the next month will look like and how we can hold margin. Speaker 600:20:51Okay, that's helpful. And then back to the comments that both you and Greg made around the demand trends, I want to make sure I'm clear. I think Greg, you talked about current trends below typical seasonality. Then Russ, when you added your comments, you talked more specifically about April, May June. So I wanted to clarify, Greg, when you're talking about current trends, is that what you've seen in July August to date that you've referenced still being below typical seasonality? Speaker 200:21:25That's correct. Yes, we're back closer to seasonality, but we so our leading indicators is our traffic and our lead generation and it's slightly below what we would expect typical seasonality and that is current July August numbers. Speaker 600:21:47Okay. Appreciate that. Thank you both. Speaker 300:21:50Yes. Thanks Mike. Operator00:21:52And your next question comes from the line of Sam Reid with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Speaker 400:22:00Thanks guys. I wanted to do a quick follow-up on Devon Street here. Just maybe talk through where cycle times today sit in Houston relative to your current core operations? And then maybe kind of help us bridge sort of the path to getting to something more consistent with your core business? Thanks. Speaker 200:22:21Yes. So Sam, thanks for the question. We're benchmarking right now all of our trends and our cycle time in Houston. We had some legacy, some of the master plan communities where we had a little harder time changing product over that we've just got plugged up over the last month or so and we've got all of the units now in the system and probably over the next couple of weeks we'll be able to benchmark all the cycle times there. If I'm guessing without putting numbers on it, we're probably in the mid high 70s today. Speaker 200:23:07We're doing a great job there on cycle time, but we've now got schedules in place on everything and our team's in place. We've launched those meetings. Tom and I have been in person there to their trade meetings. And as Russ said, things are going great with all the transitions. So now it's a matter of being able to set benchmarks moving forward. Speaker 200:23:30We would hope by the end of the year to be near our numbers that if we looked across all of our footprints today, we're in that high 50s, 58, 59 day cycle time. Speaker 400:23:48Thanks, Greg. That's helpful. And then one question I had just on mix here. I mean, I know you guys predominantly built to order, but there is some spec in your business. Just kind of curious kind of how that spec mix looks into the second half of the year, just mindful of potential incentives on those specs. Speaker 400:24:09So curious what the mix looks like? Thanks. Speaker 200:24:16Our spec so we've always had some spec and I don't know that it's that much different than typical. So we operate and focus as a manufacturing business. We make more, we lose less in full capacity. If we get a stated slot and we don't have a pre sale ready, we'll start a home. As a percent of WIP, I think we are at about 3% of our homes are at drywall that are spec home. Speaker 200:24:55So it's a small sampling. I think most of those we are able to get moved and sold prior to and we call it a line in the sand. When we look at around drywall that is still we can convert that sale, it still closes on its original Speaker 700:25:13schedule time. Speaker 300:25:15Yes. The other thing Sam I would add is, and sitting here today, I'm just looking at the numbers. We've got, as of this week, we had only had 45 finished specs and that was pretty evenly distributed through our divisions. We track spec count by community every week. We kind of look at that and see what the sales trends are. Speaker 300:25:36But to Greg's point, I mean we're trying to keep the machine going and we'll start adjusting price to meet our pace to get for our teams kind of that one a day. And then when you look at specs, so the one thing to keep in mind, so specs are up year over year, probably just maybe about it's about 200 versus last year. Now half of that over half of that comes from Houston. So you got to remember Houston's probably more of a spec market and in that market. And primarily because you're competing with we're competing I think about 70% of our communities are in master plans where you've got 4 or 5 other builders and it's just kind of the way you've got to compete there. Speaker 300:26:24So we've got a little more spec in in Houston. We are, as Greg pointed out, I mean, we're getting them integrated, the Smith Douglas way of doing things. We are focused more on trying to get them a little more presale, but I think specs in Houston are always going to be kind of part of that business when you compare it to our other markets. Speaker 200:26:45And for us, one note to add there to a spec home for us becomes a spec the day we identify the need to go into permitting. So we identify within system very early if it's got to be a spec because of the lot of elongated permitting cycles. Speaker 300:27:05That's right. Speaker 400:27:08No, guys, that's very helpful. Thanks so much. Speaker 300:27:11Sure. Thanks, Sam. Operator00:27:14And your next question comes from the line of Jay McCanless with Wedbush Securities. Your line is open. Speaker 800:27:23Good morning, everyone. So Russ, talking about the gross margin, I think you said probably higher in 3Q versus 4Q. I guess, is that all land cost or are you all expecting maybe a little more competitive pressure from some of the larger builders going into year end? Speaker 300:27:41Yes. It's I mean that's the gross margin on our closings, right? So a lot of that's just baked. So it's just kind of mix and just timing of what's going to close. And I think that's just a reflection of where we've just seen. Speaker 300:27:55So those closings, the margins that's going to close in the back half of the year, you think that that was sales that was kind of end of Q1, in the Q2. So it's just I think it's just where we've seen costs. It's just as we move through communities just in terms of mix, it's mostly land costs. So it's really just kind of just more timing of what's closing. If that answers your question, it's I don't think you can lean anything into how that translates into what we think our sales necessarily are going to be or kind of what we think in terms of future discounting. Speaker 300:28:34That's just more of what our backlog is showing for sales that we've already made. Speaker 800:28:42So I guess, yes, that makes sense because I'm assuming that's when mortgage rates were higher, etcetera, you probably have Speaker 600:28:49to do Speaker 200:28:49a little more on the buy down side. Speaker 800:28:51I guess, could you talk about what you're having to do for incentives now? And what are you seeing from some of the larger builders? Speaker 300:29:00Yes, I would say and Greg can jump in too, but it's pretty consistent with what we've seen in the first half of the year or Q1. We're still offering kind of a your choice incentive for our buyers. The incentive percentage hasn't changed too much and it's I'd say most are still have still been taking a credit towards closing costs versus actual buy downs. We did a forward in one of our markets where we just did a small maybe a couple of $1,000,000 forward contract in buying a write down and it took us I a couple of months to actually fill it because our buyers were like I said taking more of that closing cost incentive and I believe it's a lot of folks just feel like, hey, let me take the credit now because ultimately I'm going to refi my mortgage in a couple of years because the expectation is for rates coming down. Speaker 200:30:04Yes, that's accurate. Jay, good morning. And I would say, our incentives are 1.5%, 2% range on average currently. Speaker 800:30:19Got you. And then just the last question I had thinking about Devon Street in Houston, I guess how given that you've passed the 1 year mark there, I guess how comfortable are you with potentially looking at other expansions? And do you feel like with our team, the learnings you've had so far that you could implement this into another existing organization or do you feel like you need some more time to evaluate? Speaker 200:30:50I think the implementation has gone great and I don't have any doubt or reservations about how well this is going to continue to go with Houston. I think now is evaluating growth within that market and then the timing for when we may step out and expand beyond Houston there. But there's no immediate need to look at any of those type of transactions. I think as we've stated in the past, our greatest opportunities in our current divisions and expanding as we have with our land across all those markets. Speaker 800:31:42Okay, great. Thanks guys. Appreciate it. Speaker 300:31:46Thanks, Operator00:31:54Your next Speaker 600:31:58Your next question comes from the line of Alex Barron with Housing Operator00:31:58Research Center. Your line is open. Speaker 700:32:01Yes, good morning. Thank you, gentlemen. I wanted to ask about the Houston division. Orders were $149,000,000 in the Q1, dollars 98,000,000 in the second quarter. Can you talk a little bit about which of those 2 is more likely to be a run rate right now? Speaker 700:32:22And what I guess what happened from 1 quarter to the next? Speaker 300:32:27Yes. Look, I think it's in Houston, I still think it's kind of seasonal trends. So the Q1 was probably better than we expected, but I think it just kind of season and now you're getting into Q2, you kind of hit summer months, school starting to get out. So I don't I can't sit here and say that it wasn't just following a normal trend. So we did see a little bit of an uptick in cancellations in Houston in Q2, but I can't say if that's just anything more than just a little bit of a blip or just kind of typical. Speaker 300:33:12Again, this was our 1st year, our first half year with Houston ourselves. So, we're still just kind of feeling out the market, seeing kind of how we fit there. But no, I think everything like we said is going real well, better than we had anticipated. And I think just from our internal projections as we look for the full year in Houston, I think they're going to exceed our internal projections. Speaker 700:33:44Okay, great. And as far as your land position, I mean, it's been going up pretty aggressively. Do you feel like you're just seeing opportunities right now or you're just trying to get ahead of expected growth? Speaker 300:34:00Yes. We're seeing as I mentioned, our corporate investment committee is very busy. We're seeing anywhere from 1 to 4 or 5 deals a week that the divisions are presenting to us. So we're very active. I mean the market is still very competitive, right? Speaker 300:34:22I mean we're but we are getting our fair share of deals. As we mentioned during the road show, one of our main goals here with raising the capital is to continue to drive scale through the operations, specifically outside of Atlanta. Atlanta, we're top 3 builder in Atlanta. So we've been focusing on really driving scale in other markets, but we're seeing a lot of great deals in Atlanta. I mean just across the footprint as we mentioned on the last call. Speaker 300:34:55We started pushing up into Chattanooga. So we put I think we put another couple of deals under contract in Chattanooga. So we continue to push north there. So there's some more opportunity. With the transition we just we mentioned with Eddie, our VP of Finance that's just transitioned into a Central Georgia DP role, newly created division. Speaker 300:35:21So we're looking to further expand our footprint out from Atlanta into more middle Georgia. So these are just more opportunities that we're seeing. So yes, we're being opportunistic. We've seen and just the last thing I will say is we continue to see M and A opportunities come across our desk. But honestly, I think we're just taking a wait and see approach there. Speaker 300:35:49It's got to be at the right price. It's got to be at the right fit. I think things aren't cheap. Again, I think both on the land side and the M and A side, I think things are expensive. But yes, look, we're still getting our fair share of land deals. Speaker 700:36:08Okay. Best of luck. Thank you. Speaker 300:36:10All right. Thanks, Alan. Operator00:36:13And there are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Greg Bennett. Speaker 200:36:20Thank you. Thanks everyone for joining on our quarterly call. Hope everyone has a great day, great week. Operator00:36:30And this concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Smith Douglas reported Q2 pretax income of $25.9 M ($0.40 per diluted share) on 653 home closings (+17% yoy), generating $220.9 M in revenue and a 26.7% gross margin, all above prior guidance. The company continued strong demand with 715 net new orders (+17% yoy) supported by low existing home inventory, healthy job growth, and stable in-migration across all divisions. Operational discipline drove a 60-day average cycle time (excluding Houston) and an 11.8% cancellation rate, while 96% of unstarted lots are controlled via option agreements to minimize land risk. Balance sheet strength is highlighted by $17 M in cash, no revolver borrowings, $344.6 M in equity, a negative 4.1% net debt ratio, and a 3.5–5.5 years of lot supply target. Guidance for Q3 anticipates 725 home closings at a $340K–$345K average selling price with a 26%–26.5% gross margin, and full-year closings of 2,650–2,800 homes at a 26%–26.75% margin. A.I. generated. May contain errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallSmith Douglas Homes Q2 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Smith Douglas Homes Earnings HeadlinesSmith Douglas Homes (NYSE:SDHC) Price Target Cut to $16.00 by Analysts at Royal Bank of CanadaMay 22 at 3:00 AM | americanbankingnews.comSmith Douglas Homes (NYSE:SDHC) Reaches New 1-Year Low Following Analyst DowngradeMay 22 at 1:35 AM | americanbankingnews.comAI Meltdown Imminent: Dump These Stocks Now!If you have any money in the markets, especially in AI stocks… Please click here to see Elon Musk’s new invention… This could send many popular AI stocks crashing, including Nvidia. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. My name is Kayla, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Smith Douglas Homes Second Quarter of 2024 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:29I would now like to turn the call over to Joe Thomas, Senior Vice President of Accounting and Finance. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:40Good morning, and welcome to Smith Douglas' earnings conference call. We issued a press release this morning outlining our results for the Q2 of 2024, which we will discuss on today's call and can be found on our website at investors. Smithdouglas.com or by selecting the Investor Relations link at the bottom of our homepage. Please note this call will be simultaneously webcast on the Investor Relations section of our website. Before this call begins, I'd like to remind everyone that certain statements made on this call, which are not historical facts, including statements concerning future and operating goals and performance, are forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:18Actual results could differ materially from such statements due to known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other important factors as detailed in the company's SEC filings. Except as required by law, the company undertakes no duty to update these forward looking statements. Additionally, reconciliations of non GAAP financial measures discussed on this call to the most comparable GAAP measures can be found in our press release located on our website and our SEC filings. Hosting the call this morning are Greg Bennett, the company's CEO and Vice Chairman and Russ Devendorf, our Executive Vice President and CFO. I'd now like to turn the call over to Greg. Speaker 200:01:56Thanks, Joe, and welcome to the team. As we announced last month, Joe is our new Senior Vice President of Accounting and Finance, taking over from Eddie Clyde, who has transitioned to a role of Division President for the company's newly established Central Georgia Division. Joe comes to us from Bank of America where he provided investment banking services to a number of clients and played a key role in our initial public offering earlier this year. We're thrilled to have Joe as part of the team and expect great things from Eddie in his new operational role. Turning to our Q2 results, Smith Douglas reported pretax income of $25,900,000 which translates to $0.40 per diluted share for the quarter. Speaker 200:02:44We closed 6 53 homes during the quarter, which was above our stated guidance and represents a 17% increase over Q2 of 2023 and generated $220,900,000 in home closing revenue. Home closing gross margin also came in above guidance at 26 0.7%. That's a combination of solid demand, stable pricing and cost containment resulting in better margin performance than we had forecasted. Net new home orders for the quarter came in at 715 percent representing a 17% year over year increase. We continue to experience a favorable operating environment in our markets highlighted by low level of existing home inventory, healthy job growth and stable in migration. Speaker 200:03:40Demand trends were fairly consistent across our divisions, thanks to our new home offerings, which we believe hit the sweet spot of our market in terms of price, customization and value. It's no secret there's a real need for quality affordable housing in this country and we pride ourselves on being leader and provide solutions to meet these needs. Another aspect of our business we take great pride in and have spoken about previously is our operational efficiency. Home building is a very competitive industry and success often comes down to how well you execute. From the very beginning, we instill a culture of discipline and accountability at Smith Douglas. Speaker 200:04:25We constantly look for ways to improve our operations from the way we underwrite land deals to the way we procure labor and materials to how we build and sell homes. We feel this is one of our main differentiators and is demonstrated by our cycle time remaining in line with our expectations at approximately 60 days outside of our Houston division, which we continue to successfully integrate into the Smith Douglas operating model and have fully migrated on our IT system. We also feel this efficient cycle time has helped reduce our cancellation rate, which was 11.8% for the 2nd quarter. The final pillar of our operational focus is our landline strategy. We are homebuilders first and foremost, which means we view land as a necessary component of our business rather than something for speculative investing. Speaker 200:05:23We also know land and land development is one of the most costly and unpredictable aspects of this business. As a result, we have made it a priority to eliminate as much of the land risk from our operations as possible by tying up land with option agreements and seeking to take ownership of lots on as close to a just in time basis as possible. At the end of the second quarter, 96% of our unstarted controlled lots were controlled via option agreement. While this land acquisition strategy can result in higher lot cost in an upwardly trending market, we feel it serves as an insurance policy against potential downturns. It also allows us to deploy our capital more efficiently and generate better returns. Speaker 200:06:15Overall, we feel good about the current state of our operations. We believe we have the right strategy in place in the right markets to allow us to grow our homebuilding operations beyond what they are today. The macro environment remains positive and there continues to be a real desire for homeownership in this country. Our balance sheet is in great shape and we have a solid momentum as we head into the second half of the year. As a result, we believe we are well positioned to achieve our goals for this year and beyond. Speaker 200:06:49With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Russ to provide more detail on our performance this quarter and give an update on our outlook for the year. Speaker 300:07:00Thanks, Greg. I'm going to highlight some of our results for the Q2 and conclude my remarks with our expectations and outlook for the Q3 and full year for 2024. As Greg mentioned, we finished the 2nd quarter with $220,900,000 of revenue on 653 closings for an average sales price on closed homes of 338,000. Our gross margin was 26.7 percent and SG and A was 14.4 percent of revenue, which includes a true up for annual incentive bonuses that accounted for 30 basis points of the total. Pretax income was $25,900,000 with net income of $24,700,000 for the quarter. Speaker 300:07:36Given the nature of our Upstate organizational structure, our reported net income reflects an effective tax rate of 4.4% on the face of our income statement. This income tax expense is primarily attributable to the income related to the 17.3 percent economic ownership of our public shareholders that is held by Smith Douglas Homes Corp and Smith Douglas Holdings LLC. Our adjusted net income, which is a non GAAP measure that we believe is useful given our organizational structure is $19,400,000 for the quarter and assumes a 25% blended federal and state effective tax rate as if we had 100% public ownership operating as a subchapter C corporation. We believe adjusted net income is a useful metric because it allows management and investors to evaluate our operating performance and comparability more effectively to industry peers that may have a more traditional organizational and tax structure. You can find more information about our structure and income taxes in the footnotes of our financial statements. Speaker 300:08:32Our net income for the quarter included a one time charge of 1,200,000 related to a purchase accounting adjustment for the true up of the expected earn out payment related to our Devon Street acquisition that will be paid early next year. This expense is included in other expenses on our income statement. We finished the Q1 with over 15,800 total controlled lots, an increase of 81% over the Q2 of 2023 and just over 12% from the Q1 of this year. Our Corporate Investment Committee, which meets every week to review and approve new land deals continues to remain busy as we focus on increasing market share and driving scale throughout our existing footprint. We expect our lot supply to stay within a targeted range between 3.5 to 5.5 years of supply calculated based on our forecasted closings over a rolling 12 month period. Speaker 300:09:19We finished the 2nd quarter with 1173 homes in backlog with an average selling price of $345,000 and an expected gross margin on those homes of approximately 26%. We finished the quarter operating out of 75 active selling communities versus 70 at the end of the Q1. Looking at our balance sheet, we ended the quarter with approximately $17,000,000 of cash and no borrowings under our $250,000,000 revolving credit facility and $344,600,000 of total members and stockholders' equity. Our debt to book capitalization was 1.1% and our net debt to net book capitalization was negative 4.1%. We had approximately $220,000,000 available on our unsecured credit facility and are well positioned to execute on our growth strategy as Greg previously mentioned. Speaker 300:10:04Now I'd like to summarize our outlook for the Q3 and full year for 2024. We anticipate our Q3 home closings to finish between 725 between $340,000 $345,000 with gross margin in the range of 26% to 26.5%. For the full year 2024, we are projecting total home closings between 2,6502,800 Homes, an increase of 50 closings to the low end of our prior guidance. We expect our average selling price to range between $339,000 to $343,000 and our home closing gross margin to finish between 26% to 26.75 percent, which is a 25 basis point increase to the low end of our prior guidance. Additionally, we continue to expect our SG and A expense ratio to be in the range of 13.75% and 14.25% for the full year, which includes approximately 4.20 basis points for internal and external sales commissions. Speaker 300:11:02We believe the primary risk to our projections are around our ability to maintain sales pace and bring our new communities and lots online. As I have mentioned on prior calls, we continue to see some delays with municipalities on permitting and plants. Macroeconomic factors primarily around jobs, inflation and interest rates could also have unforeseen impacts to our numbers. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to the operator for instructions on Q and A. Operator00:11:35Our first question comes from the line of Michael Rehaut with JPMorgan. Your line is open. Speaker 400:11:42Hi, thanks for taking my questions. This is Zandra Ozzie on for Mike. I was just hoping to maybe get some more granularity on and an update on community count growth and how you're thinking about it as we go through the year and maybe any initial thoughts for next year? Thank you. Speaker 300:12:00Hi, Andrew. Yes, from a community count perspective, and I think we've stated this before, we expect to end somewhere maybe 2 or 3 more communities higher than where we're at the end of the quarter, somewhere in the 70 probably 76 to 79, 80 range. So we'd expect it to grow a little bit. I mean, there's some communities that are coming offline just from exceeding sales. And then we're hoping to again bring some of our communities online on time or a little bit faster. Speaker 300:12:37We are experiencing as I mentioned some flat delays, but so that's where we would expect. And then into next year, we haven't really provided any guidance yet, but maybe on the next quarter we'll give some updates on communities as well as kind of sales and closings for next year. Speaker 400:12:57Thanks, Ross. And then maybe if we could drill down a little bit on your demand trends over the last few months, any kind of progression you can give us or how the sales pace is coming through the door maybe versus your expectations? Speaker 200:13:15Yes, I'll take that one. And our current trends are probably slightly off from typical seasonality. We're still seeing a lot of demand. The last few weeks have been good, although you've got the typical seasons with school starting, we just had a storm move through a lot of our coastal, I mean, a lot of our Carolina divisions and had some interruptions with those sorts of things. So it's kind of hard to pinpoint some of that, but I think seasonality is maybe just a little soft, but those trends are the same. Speaker 300:13:58Yes. Just to add on to that, as Greg mentioned, we also had, Houston got hit pretty hard with a storm during the quarter. But as you would expect, I mean, you can see absorptions trended down a little bit. When you looked at our monthly net sales through the quarter, April May were actually about flat in terms of their sales. I think we were at 2.46 and 2.53 in May and then June tailed off a bit for the balance. Speaker 300:14:28So we again that was that's kind of your typical seasonality, but also I think there was some weather factors in there. Operator00:14:40And your next question comes from the line of Rafe Judraus with Bank of America. Your line is open. Speaker 500:14:47Hi, good morning. It's Ray. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask on just on Devon Street in Houston. Can you talk a little bit about what the margins are for that division compared to sort of the legacy business and how you're seeing the progress there in terms of integrating them? Speaker 300:15:08Yes. So to take the last part of it, integration is going as good as we could have expected. I think as we've mentioned on last quarter, we had continued to kind of migrate systems, getting them into the Smith Douglas way of doing business and that has continued. I think as of today, we are totally 100% migrated onto our system. We've had our team meetings out there. Speaker 300:15:33So again, we've continued to we've turned over the brand, right? So the brand was turned over pretty early. We are building out some of the legacy homes, floor plans, but we've already started to integrate our models. We're doing more of the Smith Douglas marketing CRM. So everything's on track and really a shout out to that team. Speaker 300:15:58I mean they've been phenomenal. I think maybe we've lost one person in the last year. So we just hit our 1 year anniversary, but extremely great team and it's been a great acquisition for us and I think they're going to exceed the closings that we had projected for them for this year. And then just in terms of margins, as good as we could have expected as well. They're hitting the mid-20s, 25% gross margin. Speaker 300:16:29And I think that's consistent with their legacy business and probably a little bit higher than we would have expected to be honest. I think because we were going to try and push a little more volume than they had done in the past and we thought that was going to come a little more at the expense of margin. But yes, it's been good. The first half of the year, the first quarter was great. Sales and demand was great. Speaker 300:16:55But I also think again, they followed a little bit of the typical seasonal pattern in the Q2. But yes, it's going well. Speaker 500:17:05That's really helpful. And then, just you raised the low end of the gross margin outlook. Can you say like what's driving that increase and what are you assuming for stick and brick cost and land inflation for the second half of the year? Speaker 300:17:22Yes. So we raised it because margins have been coming in better for our sales in Q2. So it's just really a function of we've been able to raise prices in excess of cost inflation and that's really more on the direct cost side. Our land cost is really what's driving year over year land cost is what's driving the margin erosion, right? I think our land cost maybe it's up about 300 basis points as a percentage revenue versus last year. Speaker 300:17:58But that's the big driver. I don't have the percentages in front of me. I mean, maybe we can talk offline. But it's all in the land cost, which is driving that margin erosion. But as I mentioned our backlog our margin and backlog is about 26%. Speaker 300:18:15So through the first half of the year I think we're what 26 point percent through the 1st 6 months and with backlog at 26, yes, I think that 26% to 26.75% is a pretty safe range. Okay. Speaker 500:18:30Thank you. That's helpful. Speaker 300:18:32Sure. Operator00:18:35And your next question comes from the line of Mike Dahl with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open. Speaker 600:18:42Hey, thanks for taking my questions. Russ, maybe just to follow-up on that comment on backlog margins. I think coming out of the gate, you've been giving a range plus or minus around where your current backlog margin sits? And if I heard you correctly, if your current backlog margin is at 26%, you're guiding 26% percent to 26.5 percent for 3Q. So you're not really necessarily assuming like incremental erosion at the low end, maybe just help us understand kind of how you're thinking through, whether it's mix or otherwise, what's going to deliver in 3Q versus that backlog margin? Speaker 300:19:25Yes, it's more mix related. I think you've got just the way it's trending. I think you've got a little bit higher gross margin probably hitting in Q3 than Q4, if I recall correctly. So I think that's it's just more of a mix. And we're pretty baked in terms of kind of trying to get to that low end closing number. Speaker 300:19:51When you look at our closings plus our backlog scheduled to close this year and that assumes that nothing falls out right from a cancellation standpoint. I mean we feel pretty good about getting to that 26.50. We're getting to a point in the year where maybe we've got another month or so of where we can sell and close in the year. And we kind of we just need to see how the margin trends continue. We've got some specs in the ground that also can close this year and part of that's just how much discounting or when you have to do maybe to move some of those specs. Speaker 300:20:30So that's why that's the reason for the range. Even though we're at 26.5% for the year and backlog is at 26%, I think there's some mix in there and then it just depends on maybe what we can move some of these specs at and what some of the demand trends in the next month will look like and how we can hold margin. Speaker 600:20:51Okay, that's helpful. And then back to the comments that both you and Greg made around the demand trends, I want to make sure I'm clear. I think Greg, you talked about current trends below typical seasonality. Then Russ, when you added your comments, you talked more specifically about April, May June. So I wanted to clarify, Greg, when you're talking about current trends, is that what you've seen in July August to date that you've referenced still being below typical seasonality? Speaker 200:21:25That's correct. Yes, we're back closer to seasonality, but we so our leading indicators is our traffic and our lead generation and it's slightly below what we would expect typical seasonality and that is current July August numbers. Speaker 600:21:47Okay. Appreciate that. Thank you both. Speaker 300:21:50Yes. Thanks Mike. Operator00:21:52And your next question comes from the line of Sam Reid with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Speaker 400:22:00Thanks guys. I wanted to do a quick follow-up on Devon Street here. Just maybe talk through where cycle times today sit in Houston relative to your current core operations? And then maybe kind of help us bridge sort of the path to getting to something more consistent with your core business? Thanks. Speaker 200:22:21Yes. So Sam, thanks for the question. We're benchmarking right now all of our trends and our cycle time in Houston. We had some legacy, some of the master plan communities where we had a little harder time changing product over that we've just got plugged up over the last month or so and we've got all of the units now in the system and probably over the next couple of weeks we'll be able to benchmark all the cycle times there. If I'm guessing without putting numbers on it, we're probably in the mid high 70s today. Speaker 200:23:07We're doing a great job there on cycle time, but we've now got schedules in place on everything and our team's in place. We've launched those meetings. Tom and I have been in person there to their trade meetings. And as Russ said, things are going great with all the transitions. So now it's a matter of being able to set benchmarks moving forward. Speaker 200:23:30We would hope by the end of the year to be near our numbers that if we looked across all of our footprints today, we're in that high 50s, 58, 59 day cycle time. Speaker 400:23:48Thanks, Greg. That's helpful. And then one question I had just on mix here. I mean, I know you guys predominantly built to order, but there is some spec in your business. Just kind of curious kind of how that spec mix looks into the second half of the year, just mindful of potential incentives on those specs. Speaker 400:24:09So curious what the mix looks like? Thanks. Speaker 200:24:16Our spec so we've always had some spec and I don't know that it's that much different than typical. So we operate and focus as a manufacturing business. We make more, we lose less in full capacity. If we get a stated slot and we don't have a pre sale ready, we'll start a home. As a percent of WIP, I think we are at about 3% of our homes are at drywall that are spec home. Speaker 200:24:55So it's a small sampling. I think most of those we are able to get moved and sold prior to and we call it a line in the sand. When we look at around drywall that is still we can convert that sale, it still closes on its original Speaker 700:25:13schedule time. Speaker 300:25:15Yes. The other thing Sam I would add is, and sitting here today, I'm just looking at the numbers. We've got, as of this week, we had only had 45 finished specs and that was pretty evenly distributed through our divisions. We track spec count by community every week. We kind of look at that and see what the sales trends are. Speaker 300:25:36But to Greg's point, I mean we're trying to keep the machine going and we'll start adjusting price to meet our pace to get for our teams kind of that one a day. And then when you look at specs, so the one thing to keep in mind, so specs are up year over year, probably just maybe about it's about 200 versus last year. Now half of that over half of that comes from Houston. So you got to remember Houston's probably more of a spec market and in that market. And primarily because you're competing with we're competing I think about 70% of our communities are in master plans where you've got 4 or 5 other builders and it's just kind of the way you've got to compete there. Speaker 300:26:24So we've got a little more spec in in Houston. We are, as Greg pointed out, I mean, we're getting them integrated, the Smith Douglas way of doing things. We are focused more on trying to get them a little more presale, but I think specs in Houston are always going to be kind of part of that business when you compare it to our other markets. Speaker 200:26:45And for us, one note to add there to a spec home for us becomes a spec the day we identify the need to go into permitting. So we identify within system very early if it's got to be a spec because of the lot of elongated permitting cycles. Speaker 300:27:05That's right. Speaker 400:27:08No, guys, that's very helpful. Thanks so much. Speaker 300:27:11Sure. Thanks, Sam. Operator00:27:14And your next question comes from the line of Jay McCanless with Wedbush Securities. Your line is open. Speaker 800:27:23Good morning, everyone. So Russ, talking about the gross margin, I think you said probably higher in 3Q versus 4Q. I guess, is that all land cost or are you all expecting maybe a little more competitive pressure from some of the larger builders going into year end? Speaker 300:27:41Yes. It's I mean that's the gross margin on our closings, right? So a lot of that's just baked. So it's just kind of mix and just timing of what's going to close. And I think that's just a reflection of where we've just seen. Speaker 300:27:55So those closings, the margins that's going to close in the back half of the year, you think that that was sales that was kind of end of Q1, in the Q2. So it's just I think it's just where we've seen costs. It's just as we move through communities just in terms of mix, it's mostly land costs. So it's really just kind of just more timing of what's closing. If that answers your question, it's I don't think you can lean anything into how that translates into what we think our sales necessarily are going to be or kind of what we think in terms of future discounting. Speaker 300:28:34That's just more of what our backlog is showing for sales that we've already made. Speaker 800:28:42So I guess, yes, that makes sense because I'm assuming that's when mortgage rates were higher, etcetera, you probably have Speaker 600:28:49to do Speaker 200:28:49a little more on the buy down side. Speaker 800:28:51I guess, could you talk about what you're having to do for incentives now? And what are you seeing from some of the larger builders? Speaker 300:29:00Yes, I would say and Greg can jump in too, but it's pretty consistent with what we've seen in the first half of the year or Q1. We're still offering kind of a your choice incentive for our buyers. The incentive percentage hasn't changed too much and it's I'd say most are still have still been taking a credit towards closing costs versus actual buy downs. We did a forward in one of our markets where we just did a small maybe a couple of $1,000,000 forward contract in buying a write down and it took us I a couple of months to actually fill it because our buyers were like I said taking more of that closing cost incentive and I believe it's a lot of folks just feel like, hey, let me take the credit now because ultimately I'm going to refi my mortgage in a couple of years because the expectation is for rates coming down. Speaker 200:30:04Yes, that's accurate. Jay, good morning. And I would say, our incentives are 1.5%, 2% range on average currently. Speaker 800:30:19Got you. And then just the last question I had thinking about Devon Street in Houston, I guess how given that you've passed the 1 year mark there, I guess how comfortable are you with potentially looking at other expansions? And do you feel like with our team, the learnings you've had so far that you could implement this into another existing organization or do you feel like you need some more time to evaluate? Speaker 200:30:50I think the implementation has gone great and I don't have any doubt or reservations about how well this is going to continue to go with Houston. I think now is evaluating growth within that market and then the timing for when we may step out and expand beyond Houston there. But there's no immediate need to look at any of those type of transactions. I think as we've stated in the past, our greatest opportunities in our current divisions and expanding as we have with our land across all those markets. Speaker 800:31:42Okay, great. Thanks guys. Appreciate it. Speaker 300:31:46Thanks, Operator00:31:54Your next Speaker 600:31:58Your next question comes from the line of Alex Barron with Housing Operator00:31:58Research Center. Your line is open. Speaker 700:32:01Yes, good morning. Thank you, gentlemen. I wanted to ask about the Houston division. Orders were $149,000,000 in the Q1, dollars 98,000,000 in the second quarter. Can you talk a little bit about which of those 2 is more likely to be a run rate right now? Speaker 700:32:22And what I guess what happened from 1 quarter to the next? Speaker 300:32:27Yes. Look, I think it's in Houston, I still think it's kind of seasonal trends. So the Q1 was probably better than we expected, but I think it just kind of season and now you're getting into Q2, you kind of hit summer months, school starting to get out. So I don't I can't sit here and say that it wasn't just following a normal trend. So we did see a little bit of an uptick in cancellations in Houston in Q2, but I can't say if that's just anything more than just a little bit of a blip or just kind of typical. Speaker 300:33:12Again, this was our 1st year, our first half year with Houston ourselves. So, we're still just kind of feeling out the market, seeing kind of how we fit there. But no, I think everything like we said is going real well, better than we had anticipated. And I think just from our internal projections as we look for the full year in Houston, I think they're going to exceed our internal projections. Speaker 700:33:44Okay, great. And as far as your land position, I mean, it's been going up pretty aggressively. Do you feel like you're just seeing opportunities right now or you're just trying to get ahead of expected growth? Speaker 300:34:00Yes. We're seeing as I mentioned, our corporate investment committee is very busy. We're seeing anywhere from 1 to 4 or 5 deals a week that the divisions are presenting to us. So we're very active. I mean the market is still very competitive, right? Speaker 300:34:22I mean we're but we are getting our fair share of deals. As we mentioned during the road show, one of our main goals here with raising the capital is to continue to drive scale through the operations, specifically outside of Atlanta. Atlanta, we're top 3 builder in Atlanta. So we've been focusing on really driving scale in other markets, but we're seeing a lot of great deals in Atlanta. I mean just across the footprint as we mentioned on the last call. Speaker 300:34:55We started pushing up into Chattanooga. So we put I think we put another couple of deals under contract in Chattanooga. So we continue to push north there. So there's some more opportunity. With the transition we just we mentioned with Eddie, our VP of Finance that's just transitioned into a Central Georgia DP role, newly created division. Speaker 300:35:21So we're looking to further expand our footprint out from Atlanta into more middle Georgia. So these are just more opportunities that we're seeing. So yes, we're being opportunistic. We've seen and just the last thing I will say is we continue to see M and A opportunities come across our desk. But honestly, I think we're just taking a wait and see approach there. Speaker 300:35:49It's got to be at the right price. It's got to be at the right fit. I think things aren't cheap. Again, I think both on the land side and the M and A side, I think things are expensive. But yes, look, we're still getting our fair share of land deals. Speaker 700:36:08Okay. Best of luck. Thank you. Speaker 300:36:10All right. Thanks, Alan. Operator00:36:13And there are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Greg Bennett. Speaker 200:36:20Thank you. Thanks everyone for joining on our quarterly call. Hope everyone has a great day, great week. Operator00:36:30And this concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by