NYSE:BBU Brookfield Business Partners Q2 2024 Earnings Report $21.28 -0.40 (-1.86%) As of 09:34 AM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Brookfield Business Partners EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.09Consensus EPS $0.86Beat/MissMissed by -$0.95One Year Ago EPS$0.85Brookfield Business Partners Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$11.95 billionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ABrookfield Business Partners Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date8/2/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateFriday, August 2, 2024Conference Call Time10:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress ReleaseEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Brookfield Business Partners Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 2, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 12 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to the Brookfield Business Partners Second Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call and Webcast. As a reminder, all participants are in a listen only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Now, I'd like to turn the conference over to Alan Fleming, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Mr. Operator00:00:25Fleming. Speaker 100:00:27Thank you, operator, and good morning. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that in responding to questions and talking about our growth initiatives and our financial and operating performance, we may make forward looking statements. These statements are subject to known and unknown risks and future results may differ materially. For further information on known risk factors, I encourage you to review our filings with the securities regulators in Canada and the U. S, which will be available on our website. Speaker 100:00:54We'll begin the call today with a business update from Anuj Ranjan, our Chief Executive Officer. Anuj will then turn the call over to Paul Lepage, a Managing Director on our business operations team, who will discuss our approach to managing cybersecurity risk and the incident response at CDK Global, our dealer software and technology services operation. We'll end the call with Jaspreet Dell, our Chief Financial Officer discussing our financial results for the quarter. Adrian Letts, a managing partner and senior leader on our business operations team is also joining us on the call this morning. And after we finish our prepared remarks, the team will be available to take your questions. Speaker 100:01:30I'd now like to pass the call over to Anuj. Speaker 200:01:35Thanks, Alan, and good morning, everyone. Thank you all for joining us on the call today. Through the first half of the year, we've made great progress on a number of fronts to build value in our business. Our financial results were strong, but were impacted by a couple of one time events in our operations. This includes a cybersecurity incident at CDK Global, our dealer software and technology services operation and increased costs on a project nearing completion of our construction operation. Speaker 200:02:03That being said, we continue to progress our value creation initiatives across the business. We should be captured in earnings as these one time events pass. Paul is going to speak a bit more about the incident response to CDK later in the call, but I would like to take this moment to commend the CDK team for their quick and successful handling of the situation and their ongoing commitment to supporting their customers. Stepping back, our business fundamentals are sound. While the global operating environment continues to be fluid, activity levels across our operations remain stable and the progress we're making on our value creation plans contributing to our underlying margin performance. Speaker 200:02:42Simply put, we think owning high quality businesses that are mission critical providers of essential products and services and having the deep operational capabilities to run better is a real advantage in any environment. Another key differentiator for our franchise is our strong access to capital, which has enabled us to opportunistically manage our maturities. Over the past few months, we've refinanced more than $11,000,000,000 of debt in our operations and reduced the spread of these borrowings by an average of 50 basis points. Going forward, this will reduce our annual interest expense by approximately $15,000,000 and we'll stand to benefit even further as rates decline. In addition, we've been focused on monetizing our more mature operations. Speaker 200:03:30While overall private market transaction activity has slowed down, we see the market increasingly as a tale of 2 cities. On one hand, it's much harder in today's environment to sell lower quality businesses, which have historically relied on low cost capital to grow. On the other hand, great businesses with strong underlying fundamentals are generally sought after by investors in any environment. To that point, over the past year and a half, we have sold or reached agreements to sell 10 businesses for approximately $3,000,000,000 of total proceeds at our share. Most of the returns we've achieved have come from buying good businesses on a value basis, improving their operations and recycling capital to support our growth. Speaker 200:04:14In some cases, we can do this in a relatively short period of time. And in other cases, holding a business for longer may be the best means to continue to compound value. Many of our businesses generate stable cash flows and in some cases, we may also be able to prudently increase leverage as a viable option to fund distributions. No matter when we choose to monetize a business, our objective is to maximize value. We've built a great track record as a public company, realizing a 3 times MOC and a 30% IRR on the sale of 20 businesses. Speaker 200:04:49Today, we own great companies and we're continuing to build value as we advance our improvement plans, which should create opportunities for us to generate meaningful proceeds from our next phase of monetization. I now want to pass the call over to Paul Lepage. Paul is a senior leader on our business operations team and spends a lot of his time working with our operations to help them build out their digital and technology capabilities. Paul, over to you. Speaker 300:05:16Thanks, Anuj, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to take some time today to talk about our approach in managing cybersecurity risk, provide you with an update on the incident response at our dealer management software and technology services operation, CDK Global, and share some thoughts on how we're strengthening our protocols across all our operating companies. Managing cybersecurity is and always will be part of our sound business practices and good governance framework for all our operations. This starts with the right culture. We've always had a safety first mindset across all of our operations. Speaker 300:06:00This mindset increasingly encompasses an equal emphasis placed on physical safety and information security. Cybersecurity reviews are a key part of diligence prior to acquiring a business and this extends to the management of our portfolio companies. Post acquisition, we established an oversight committee to ensure adherence to cybersecurity programs and standards, including the National Institute of Standards and Technology, or NIST framework to guide how our operations manage, respond and reduce cybersecurity risk. We also engage leading third party industry experts to assess the effectiveness of foundational cybersecurity controls, which includes scans from potential vulnerabilities, ongoing network monitoring and the review of overall threat detection capabilities. Where it's needed, we support our operating companies with technical tools, processes and resources to address the potential gaps and to assist in the remediation activities. Speaker 300:07:14However, the frequency and sophistication of cyber incidents globally is intensifying. To put this in perspective, more than 2,000 cybersecurity incidents are reported daily and last year alone cyber incidents affected over 20% of the S and P 500 Companies. As we disclosed, CDK Global was impacted by a cyber incident during the quarter. CDK, as a reminder, is a leading provider of cloud based software to automotive dealerships. It's a trusted partner to its customers, providing mission critical services that enable automotive dealers to run their business more efficiently. Speaker 300:07:58We privatized the business 2 years ago and have been focused on the execution of our valuation plan creation plan rather, which includes investing approximately $500,000,000 in product and technology, R and D, infrastructure and modernization of the software stack. Immediately after detecting unauthorized activity on its network, CDK mobilized its incident response team and shut down its systems to contain the threat. The cyber attack was orchestrated by a highly sophisticated threat actor that infiltrated CDK's IT infrastructure. With the assistance of leading third party experts, CDK moved to quickly begin restoring its systems with a focus on putting its customers first, limiting the disruption to customer operations and remediating the impacts as quickly as possible. Within 2 weeks, CDK was able to bring substantially all its dealer customers back onto its core dealer management system and within 3 weeks the business had restored substantially all its major applications and third party system integrations. Speaker 300:09:17CDK continues to be focused on being a best in class partner to its customers. This includes supporting them as their businesses get back to normal operations, providing one time billing credits and rebuilding trust. As a market leader, the business is continuing to invest in its systems and technology to protect against evolving cyber threats. It's also working to support the industry including making free tools and resources available for any dealer to help them assess their security frameworks, evaluate risk and enhance employee cybersecurity training. On behalf of Brookfield, we want to thank all CDK customers and partners for their support and patience during the outage. Speaker 300:10:06With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Jaspreet to review our financial results. Speaker 400:10:11Thanks, Paul, and good morning, everyone. 2nd quarter adjusted EBITDA was $524,000,000 compared to $606,000,000 in the prior period. Excluding contributions from Nuclear Technology Services and other small operations sold last year, prior year adjusted EBITDA was about $550,000,000 Adjusted EFO of $289,000,000 in the quarter included $103,000,000 of net gains on the sale of our Canadian aggregates production operation as well as public securities in our Industrial segment. Turning to our segment performance. Our Industrial segment generated 2nd quarter adjusted EBITDA of $213,000,000 which increased from 196,000,000 in 2023. Speaker 400:11:08Our advanced energy storage operation continues to generate strong performance, benefiting from favorable pricing, improved mix driven by the shift to higher margin advanced batteries and ongoing operational efficiency initiatives. This was partially offset by reduced contribution from our engineered components manufacturer due to the impact of lower volumes given overall reduced market demand. Moving to our Business Services segment, we generated $182,000,000 of 2nd quarter adjusted EBITDA. Performance benefited from the increased contribution of our residential mortgage insurer. This was offset by the one time impact related to the cybersecurity incident at CDK. Speaker 400:12:01The total impact to adjusted EBITDA of the costs incurred at CDK was $38,000,000 at BBU's share and included one time billing credits provided to customers as well as remediation out of pocket costs. A portion of these costs were offset by an insurance recovery. Results this quarter also reflected the underperformance at our construction operation, where we recognized cost due to weather and construction delays at one project nearing completion in Australia. The project is expected to be completed later this year. Finally, our Infrastructure Services segment generated $157,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA compared to $216,000,000 during the same quarter last year, which included $60,000,000 of contributions from Nuclear Technology Services, which we sold late last year. Speaker 400:13:03Results also benefited from improved contributions from offshore oil services. Turning to our balance sheet. We ended the quarter with approximately $1,600,000,000 of liquidity at the corporate level and no significant upcoming near term maturities on our debt. This provides us good flexibility to continue to support our growth and optimize our balance sheet. With that, I would like to turn the call back to the operator for questions. Speaker 400:13:34Certainly. Operator00:13:41And our first question comes from the line of Geoffrey Kwan from RBC Capital Markets. Your question please. Speaker 500:13:47Hi, good morning. First question was just on the CDK situation. Just wondering what the likelihood of any sort of future negative financial impacts from the incident, whether or not it's in queues for your future quarters? And then similarly, how would you describe the risk of the potential for market share losses? Like how remind me how long the contract terms are, the likelihood, clients may look to get some pricing concessions and the competitive environment whether or not competitors may try to get a little more aggressive on pricing in RFPs? Speaker 400:14:22Hi, Jeff. It's Jaspreet. Maybe I'll start off on the financial impact and then pass it over to Paul to address kind of the balance of your questions. So, we incurred remediation out of pocket costs as well as costs related to providing credits to our customers. All of those have been accrued in the quarter offset by some insurance recovery. Speaker 400:14:52So we think we've captured the bulk of the costs associated with the incidents in the quarter. And we're not expecting that there's going to be any additional material impact going forward just from the incident. Speaker 300:15:11Hi, Jeff. It's Paul. Just to answer a portion of your question, so most of these contracts are multi year agreements with an average of 3 to 5 years in length. The business has benefited from high customer retention rates that are reflective of the value of the service it provides to its customers. And obviously, our focus from a CDK perspective with the systems back up and running is to focus on continuing to be that best in class partner and manage the relationships with its customers. Speaker 300:15:52And we're going to do this by building the best and most secure platform for the industry. Speaker 500:16:00Okay. And just my second question is on a similar topic, but just more broadly speaking, the comments around using 3rd parties on the cybersecurity front for investing companies and also supporting them with other resources help to minimize the threat, a threat actually coming to fruition. But in light of what happened at CDK, I'm just wondering, does that is there anything that you've learned from it in terms of whether or not it's having the proper protections at each of your investee companies, whether that's the right third party providers or other factors and also too is having the right proper training and culture and IT personnel around cybersecurity risk, for again the various businesses that you Speaker 300:16:53Hi, Jeff. What I'd say is that the emphasis we've always had the emphasis on this, to be clear. The area that a focus and it's a focus frankly for the whole industry is a focus around this information security first and driving stronger on those practices. We've had a long history in doing this on security, physical security. We now have to continue to increase our focus on information security within all our portfolio of companies. Speaker 500:17:38Okay. Thank you. Operator00:17:40Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Devin Dodge from BMO Capital Markets. Your question please. Speaker 600:17:50All right. Thanks. Good morning. I want to start with a question on BRK and Bantel. I believe the recent restructuring was pretty far advanced, but there appears to be also a fair bit of investor activity in this sector lately. Speaker 600:18:06Just wondering if you think an IPO was still the most likely exit or are there other options that look more probable at this point? Speaker 400:18:15Hi, Devin, it's Jaspreet. I'll start and then Anuj Finan if he wants. So as you're well aware, we've kind of executed on our operational improvement plan at BRK. And we think that business is well set up for a monetization. The IPO was kind of a natural track to monetization for that business. Speaker 400:18:51Options. And we're doing the same thing at BR Cambiontel. The IPO market in Brazil is still very difficult. The rates were going down. I think that's kind of stalled a little bit. Speaker 400:19:07We haven't seen much or I'd say even any new IPOs or real equity capital market activity in Brazil. So that is still an option, but we are looking at other options as well to monetize and get at least some proceeds back up to BBU. Speaker 600:19:34Okay. Okay. Good color. Appreciate that. And switching gears, Nielsen, this is investment we talk about much, but just wondering if you can provide an update on the business and how much progress has been made towards that profit improvement Speaker 300:19:53plan? Hi, Doug. Nielsen is a 400 $1,000,000 DBU investment in pref security. As you know, Nielsen is a sort of data as a service offering. It's the leading provider of audience measurement services for TV and audio and it's got a growing presence in streaming and digital services. Speaker 300:20:22So our value creation plan and execution is focused around driving top line growth, but also driving at all elements of the value creation plan that we put in place. So far the impact of that is being sort of 400 basis points in margin improvement. And the company has got a lot of early wins within the digital and streaming environment. There's still lots of work to do to deliver the best offering for this buy side and sell side advertising ecosystem in an evolving market. Speaker 600:21:10Okay. Thanks for that. Good color. And then just maybe one last one. This morning, we saw Brookfield announced a cargo of a thermal management business. Speaker 600:21:20Just wondering if BB was involved there? Speaker 200:21:24Hi, Sanuj here. Thanks, Evan. I'll take that. We yes, we did, I think, yesterday signed or the night before signed binding agreements to acquire nVent, which is a great industrial business that we're quite excited about. It is a carve out of a larger corporation. Speaker 200:21:42So it's going to take 4 to 5 months to close. So we have some time. As you know, we've been advancing many of our capital recycling initiatives at BBU, including many monetizations that are hopefully on the way. And I would just say that in 4 to 5 months when it's time to close, depending on our liquidity and our priorities for capital allocation at the time, we'll be able to make that decision. Speaker 700:22:13Understood. Thank you. I'll turn it over. Operator00:22:16Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Gary Ho from Desjardins Capital Markets. Your question please. Speaker 700:22:28Thanks. Maybe just first one, I want to go to Dexco here. So we saw lower results this quarter just driven by lower volumes. Maybe can you give us some color on how you're managing through this environment and outlook for the back half and into 2025? Speaker 800:22:45Yes. It's Adrian, that's Sid. The market does continue to be affected by some softness in North America and particular parts of our international market. The team is continuing to do a fantastic job in managing costs to offset some of the volume decline. We're seeing some green shoots, but we expect the market to recover through the course to the back end of this year and into 2025. Speaker 800:23:12To a certain extent, when we underwrote and bought the business, we expected this to happen. We feel well set up and the team is doing a great job as I said, as we see the market recover through towards the end of this year and then into next year. Speaker 700:23:28Okay, perfect. And then my second question is around Clarios. So another solid quarter generated healthy free cash flow and was mentioned, you used that to pay down debt. Also, you're focused on progressing options for the business to generate proceeds. How's the IPO process progressing and or other initiatives that you plan to serve as value on this asset? Speaker 200:23:55Yes. Hi, Gary. It's Anuj here. I'll take that. So Clarius, as you said, the business has been performing exceptionally well. Speaker 200:24:02We're very, very pleased with how things are going at the business. We're evaluating we continue to evaluate all strategic alternatives, which include an IPO. And I would just say that we're quite encouraged by the progress we're making so far on all of those alternatives. So we're feeling pretty good about not only an IPO, but many of the different alternatives we're looking at for the business to recycle some capital for BBU. Speaker 700:24:29Okay, great. And then just my last question, I want to go back to the CDK front. Given some of the one time billing credits decline and whatnot, and when we look at the peak of the incident, yes, there were a lot of questions on what is the CDK's exposure is to BBU. And we saw the stock down 10% on over several days during the outage. I'm wondering if management has given some thought whether if you provided us some valuation marker on at least some of your significant investments that might have reduced the volatility on the trading of BBU stock or should another event happen in the future? Speaker 400:25:17Gary, just so I could frame your question, make sure I understood. Are you asking kind of how we assess how material the CDK incident was for BBU because of the volatility that you saw in the stock? Is that a fair summary of your question? Speaker 700:25:40No, it's more the stock was down 10%, so which would be a significant part of, I believe, the valuation of CDK assets. So had you provided some valuation mark of what that PDK would have been worth as a percentage of your NAV, maybe your stock wouldn't have been so volatile through that period? Speaker 400:26:06Yes. Look, it's hard to comment on the volatility of the stock. As you're aware, we're not disclosing NAV, but we do give you all of the components for the NAV and we share that with our investors. And like if I just step back, at our share, CDK generates about $250,000,000 of EBITDA for BBU today. We provide you with proportionate debt that is on that business. Speaker 400:26:47And And you could put the right multiple on it and get a good sense of what the value of that business is to BBU. So I'm not sure that giving investors an exact number versus giving them the components where it's easy enough to calculate that number, it would have made any directional difference one way or the other, but that has been our approach is we provide we've been guiding people to think of BBU as a high quality industrial services business. We've been giving you all of the inputs into calculating values for our larger businesses, including CDK. And we think kind of that information is available to investors to assess kind of the impact of any type of incident on value. Speaker 700:27:44Okay, understood. Okay, thank you very much. Those are my questions. Operator00:27:49Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Jamie Gloyn from NBF. Your question please. Speaker 900:28:02Yes. Thanks. Good morning. Just wanted to clarify on the interest cost savings. I think you mentioned it was 550,000,000 dollars in savings on this recent round of refinancing. Speaker 900:28:17Is that a $50,000,000 benefit to BBU or is that to the OpCos? And then if it's the OpCos, what would be the benefit to BBU? Speaker 400:28:28So our proportionate share of that will be about a third. So on a kind of a full year basis, it will be about $15,000,000 Speaker 700:28:40Okay. Speaker 400:28:41That's just Speaker 900:28:43Go ahead, sorry, Jess. Speaker 400:28:46Sorry, I should think that's from the spread reduction that we were able to achieve from the refinancing, like as rates go down, like that should have an additional positive impact. Speaker 1000:28:57Yes. So that was going to Speaker 900:28:58be my follow-up is that, was this recent round of refinancing, it's all floating rate debt. Is it unhedged, I guess, to are you making a call on that to unhedge it? And I guess I also noticed that like 70% of the debt is fixed or hedged. And I think that's an increase from more like 50% range in previous quarters. So maybe just talk through how you're thinking about the rate environment and your financing strategies? Speaker 400:29:31Sure. So this 70% is actually down from 75% And what the 70% represents is all of our debt that's fixed that it has hedges on it, so like derivative hedges, as well as debt that's naturally hedged. So the biggest part of that is our financing business in Australia, where there's floating debt on both the asset and liability side. So there's a natural hedge there. So if you take all of those pieces together, we were about 70% hedged. Speaker 400:30:11Last quarter, that number was 75%. The 50%, I think that you're thinking of excludes the natural hedges in the business. And how we're thinking about rates, we do think there is we're at the end of the rate hiking cycle and we should see rate cuts coming soon. Most of our hedges are on for about 18 months to 3 years is the typical timing of the hedges. We usually hedge based on the maturity of the debt or the whole period on our investments. Speaker 400:30:57And some of these hedges have been in place for a while. So as we're kind of looking forward now, as our hedges start to roll off, we'll make a decision on whether we want to continue to hedge or let them roll off and keep the debt floating. But I think we've got some hedges in place that will keep rates pretty consistent for us in the business, the base rate for a little while. But hopefully as the rates start to come down, we're able to take some advantage of that as hedges roll off. Speaker 900:31:32Okay. And sorry, was this recent round hedged or unhedged? Speaker 400:31:39So I think it's probably fair to think of that 70 ish percent. So like all of the spreads that were reduced were all floating rate debt and we look at kind of the entire company and we'll based on the business, we'll hedge anywhere from 50% to 75%, 80% of the floating rate exposure. So you can think of 70% of the base rates on the stuff that we refinanced is hedged. Speaker 900:32:10Okay, great. And last one, just on the CAGEN, another $50,000,000 dividend this quarter. Can you just refresh what's the cumulative dividends that have been upstream from Cajun and relative Speaker 200:32:29the total investment in CeGN? Speaker 400:32:33Yes. So in total so far, we've gotten back about including kind of the dividend that we got this quarter. We've gotten back 85% of the capital that BBU invested and we invested 855,000,000 dollars So we've got circa $100,000,000 of equity at risk still in the business. Speaker 300:33:01Okay. That's incredible. Thank you. Operator00:33:05Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Dmitry Khmelnytsky from SVARITAS. Your question please. Speaker 1000:33:17Hi, and thank you for taking the call. So the first question is, I wonder if you can provide some disclosure about how big are the switching costs per dealership. Speaker 400:33:32Dmitry, Dmitry, you're coming in and out. It's a bit hard to hear you. Speaker 1000:33:38I apologize. Can you hear me now? Yes, sorry. Speaker 400:33:48Yes, we can hear you now. Speaker 1000:33:50Awesome. Again, I'm sorry. So first question on CDK. How big are the switching costs per dealership to move to another platform if they were to choose those actions? Speaker 300:34:07So obviously it depends on the dealer size, Dmitry. So a large dealer that would have multiple rooftops would have to look at a pretty long process to move from one platform to the next on the dealer management software. There is other sort of peripheral applications that may be easier in terms of shorter time to migrate. But for the most part, it's a long process. It's a process that would entitle months to move from one platform to the next. Speaker 400:34:52Yes. I think, Dmitry, if you think about kind of a core accounting system or SAP type of system in any kind of operating business and you're trying to rip that out and implement a brand new system, kind of what that process would look like, that's probably a good proxy. Speaker 1000:35:12Yes. Thanks for that. And then switching to Brand Safeway, I wonder if you can disclose the DSO for that business for the past 12 months. Speaker 400:35:27Sure. So brand safety is in our Infrastructure Services segment and we actually account for brand Safeway. So you can if you look at our segment disclosure, you can pick up the EBITDA performance there. But the business generated about $30,000,000 in EBITDA at our share, approximately $30,000,000 I don't have the number exactly in front of me, but that's the contribution to EBITDA. Speaker 1000:36:02Understood. I think it was 2 segments. It was reclassified, I think, into 2 separate segments. Is that still current? No. Speaker 400:36:13No, it's always been in the infrastructure segment. Speaker 1000:36:17Yes. Okay. I'm sorry. All right. And then what other options do you consider to more impact BRK beyond a potential IPO? Speaker 400:36:30So there's a number of options. It's a great business and it's a great platform for kind of water and sewage treatment in Brazil. And there's a number of strategics that might be interested in partnering with us and buying the stake in the business either with the business as a whole or in our more mature concessions. So when you think about the business, it's got concession agreements with a number of different regions and municipalities. And those concessions are at different stages of development. Speaker 400:37:16Some of them are more mature than others and there may be and there has been kind of interest on some of the more mature concessions. So it could be a partner for the whole business, it could be a partner in hard to sort of like the circumvention or if the market is better, an IPO is always an option as public Operator00:38:00Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Nik Priebe from CIBC Capital Markets. Your question please. Speaker 1100:38:10Okay, thanks. I just want to go back to CDK for a moment. My understanding is that the internal view is that this incident won't necessitate the downstreaming of any capital to prop up the balance sheet or liquidity position there. Is that still the expectation? Speaker 400:38:25Yes. Yes, that's right. I mean, this business generates a lot of free cash flow. It's got significant liquidity and we're not anticipating providing downstreaming any capital. Speaker 1100:38:39Okay, that's good. And then there have been some press reports about auto dealerships bringing forward legal action in response to the outage. Is there any sort of cyber insurance coverage that would protect CDK from lawsuits stemming from an incident like that? Speaker 400:38:54So the business does have cyber insurance, which we have drawn on to address the cyber incident. To the extent that there's litigation, which at this point, we're not we're still assessing, but we're not sure there's too much merit to do a lot of these. I don't think they'd be covered by insurance. Speaker 1100:39:26Okay, got it. And just last question for me, just on Clarios. If I take the last 12 month adjusted EBITDA number and I gross it up to 100% basis, it implies about 2,200,000,000 dollars Now I'm cognizant that U. S. GAAP EBITDA is a little bit lower than EBITDA presented under IFRS. Speaker 1100:39:46But as we approach the end of the company's fiscal year here in September, is it safe to say that EBITDA will exceed $2,000,000,000 on a U. S. GAAP basis for the full year? I'm just thinking about this in the context of a pricing scenario for a potential IPO. Speaker 400:40:05Yes. Look, it will be at and about $2,000,000,000 the U. S. GAAP to IFRS adjustments, if I just think about kind of the scale of those adjustments, it should be about a little bit over $2,000,000,000 but there's still a quarter performance to go. So we'll see how things kind of pan out. Speaker 1100:40:29Understood. Okay, fair enough. All right. Thanks very much for taking my questions. Operator00:40:34Thank you. This does conclude the question and answer session of today's program. I'd like to hand the program back to Anuj Rachan for any further remarks. Speaker 200:40:45Thank you everyone for joining this quarter and we look forward to seeing you all at Investor Day in September. Operator00:40:52Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.Read morePowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallBrookfield Business Partners Q2 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release Brookfield Business Partners Earnings HeadlinesBrookfield Business Partners L.P. 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There are 12 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to the Brookfield Business Partners Second Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call and Webcast. As a reminder, all participants are in a listen only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Now, I'd like to turn the conference over to Alan Fleming, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Mr. Operator00:00:25Fleming. Speaker 100:00:27Thank you, operator, and good morning. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that in responding to questions and talking about our growth initiatives and our financial and operating performance, we may make forward looking statements. These statements are subject to known and unknown risks and future results may differ materially. For further information on known risk factors, I encourage you to review our filings with the securities regulators in Canada and the U. S, which will be available on our website. Speaker 100:00:54We'll begin the call today with a business update from Anuj Ranjan, our Chief Executive Officer. Anuj will then turn the call over to Paul Lepage, a Managing Director on our business operations team, who will discuss our approach to managing cybersecurity risk and the incident response at CDK Global, our dealer software and technology services operation. We'll end the call with Jaspreet Dell, our Chief Financial Officer discussing our financial results for the quarter. Adrian Letts, a managing partner and senior leader on our business operations team is also joining us on the call this morning. And after we finish our prepared remarks, the team will be available to take your questions. Speaker 100:01:30I'd now like to pass the call over to Anuj. Speaker 200:01:35Thanks, Alan, and good morning, everyone. Thank you all for joining us on the call today. Through the first half of the year, we've made great progress on a number of fronts to build value in our business. Our financial results were strong, but were impacted by a couple of one time events in our operations. This includes a cybersecurity incident at CDK Global, our dealer software and technology services operation and increased costs on a project nearing completion of our construction operation. Speaker 200:02:03That being said, we continue to progress our value creation initiatives across the business. We should be captured in earnings as these one time events pass. Paul is going to speak a bit more about the incident response to CDK later in the call, but I would like to take this moment to commend the CDK team for their quick and successful handling of the situation and their ongoing commitment to supporting their customers. Stepping back, our business fundamentals are sound. While the global operating environment continues to be fluid, activity levels across our operations remain stable and the progress we're making on our value creation plans contributing to our underlying margin performance. Speaker 200:02:42Simply put, we think owning high quality businesses that are mission critical providers of essential products and services and having the deep operational capabilities to run better is a real advantage in any environment. Another key differentiator for our franchise is our strong access to capital, which has enabled us to opportunistically manage our maturities. Over the past few months, we've refinanced more than $11,000,000,000 of debt in our operations and reduced the spread of these borrowings by an average of 50 basis points. Going forward, this will reduce our annual interest expense by approximately $15,000,000 and we'll stand to benefit even further as rates decline. In addition, we've been focused on monetizing our more mature operations. Speaker 200:03:30While overall private market transaction activity has slowed down, we see the market increasingly as a tale of 2 cities. On one hand, it's much harder in today's environment to sell lower quality businesses, which have historically relied on low cost capital to grow. On the other hand, great businesses with strong underlying fundamentals are generally sought after by investors in any environment. To that point, over the past year and a half, we have sold or reached agreements to sell 10 businesses for approximately $3,000,000,000 of total proceeds at our share. Most of the returns we've achieved have come from buying good businesses on a value basis, improving their operations and recycling capital to support our growth. Speaker 200:04:14In some cases, we can do this in a relatively short period of time. And in other cases, holding a business for longer may be the best means to continue to compound value. Many of our businesses generate stable cash flows and in some cases, we may also be able to prudently increase leverage as a viable option to fund distributions. No matter when we choose to monetize a business, our objective is to maximize value. We've built a great track record as a public company, realizing a 3 times MOC and a 30% IRR on the sale of 20 businesses. Speaker 200:04:49Today, we own great companies and we're continuing to build value as we advance our improvement plans, which should create opportunities for us to generate meaningful proceeds from our next phase of monetization. I now want to pass the call over to Paul Lepage. Paul is a senior leader on our business operations team and spends a lot of his time working with our operations to help them build out their digital and technology capabilities. Paul, over to you. Speaker 300:05:16Thanks, Anuj, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to take some time today to talk about our approach in managing cybersecurity risk, provide you with an update on the incident response at our dealer management software and technology services operation, CDK Global, and share some thoughts on how we're strengthening our protocols across all our operating companies. Managing cybersecurity is and always will be part of our sound business practices and good governance framework for all our operations. This starts with the right culture. We've always had a safety first mindset across all of our operations. Speaker 300:06:00This mindset increasingly encompasses an equal emphasis placed on physical safety and information security. Cybersecurity reviews are a key part of diligence prior to acquiring a business and this extends to the management of our portfolio companies. Post acquisition, we established an oversight committee to ensure adherence to cybersecurity programs and standards, including the National Institute of Standards and Technology, or NIST framework to guide how our operations manage, respond and reduce cybersecurity risk. We also engage leading third party industry experts to assess the effectiveness of foundational cybersecurity controls, which includes scans from potential vulnerabilities, ongoing network monitoring and the review of overall threat detection capabilities. Where it's needed, we support our operating companies with technical tools, processes and resources to address the potential gaps and to assist in the remediation activities. Speaker 300:07:14However, the frequency and sophistication of cyber incidents globally is intensifying. To put this in perspective, more than 2,000 cybersecurity incidents are reported daily and last year alone cyber incidents affected over 20% of the S and P 500 Companies. As we disclosed, CDK Global was impacted by a cyber incident during the quarter. CDK, as a reminder, is a leading provider of cloud based software to automotive dealerships. It's a trusted partner to its customers, providing mission critical services that enable automotive dealers to run their business more efficiently. Speaker 300:07:58We privatized the business 2 years ago and have been focused on the execution of our valuation plan creation plan rather, which includes investing approximately $500,000,000 in product and technology, R and D, infrastructure and modernization of the software stack. Immediately after detecting unauthorized activity on its network, CDK mobilized its incident response team and shut down its systems to contain the threat. The cyber attack was orchestrated by a highly sophisticated threat actor that infiltrated CDK's IT infrastructure. With the assistance of leading third party experts, CDK moved to quickly begin restoring its systems with a focus on putting its customers first, limiting the disruption to customer operations and remediating the impacts as quickly as possible. Within 2 weeks, CDK was able to bring substantially all its dealer customers back onto its core dealer management system and within 3 weeks the business had restored substantially all its major applications and third party system integrations. Speaker 300:09:17CDK continues to be focused on being a best in class partner to its customers. This includes supporting them as their businesses get back to normal operations, providing one time billing credits and rebuilding trust. As a market leader, the business is continuing to invest in its systems and technology to protect against evolving cyber threats. It's also working to support the industry including making free tools and resources available for any dealer to help them assess their security frameworks, evaluate risk and enhance employee cybersecurity training. On behalf of Brookfield, we want to thank all CDK customers and partners for their support and patience during the outage. Speaker 300:10:06With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Jaspreet to review our financial results. Speaker 400:10:11Thanks, Paul, and good morning, everyone. 2nd quarter adjusted EBITDA was $524,000,000 compared to $606,000,000 in the prior period. Excluding contributions from Nuclear Technology Services and other small operations sold last year, prior year adjusted EBITDA was about $550,000,000 Adjusted EFO of $289,000,000 in the quarter included $103,000,000 of net gains on the sale of our Canadian aggregates production operation as well as public securities in our Industrial segment. Turning to our segment performance. Our Industrial segment generated 2nd quarter adjusted EBITDA of $213,000,000 which increased from 196,000,000 in 2023. Speaker 400:11:08Our advanced energy storage operation continues to generate strong performance, benefiting from favorable pricing, improved mix driven by the shift to higher margin advanced batteries and ongoing operational efficiency initiatives. This was partially offset by reduced contribution from our engineered components manufacturer due to the impact of lower volumes given overall reduced market demand. Moving to our Business Services segment, we generated $182,000,000 of 2nd quarter adjusted EBITDA. Performance benefited from the increased contribution of our residential mortgage insurer. This was offset by the one time impact related to the cybersecurity incident at CDK. Speaker 400:12:01The total impact to adjusted EBITDA of the costs incurred at CDK was $38,000,000 at BBU's share and included one time billing credits provided to customers as well as remediation out of pocket costs. A portion of these costs were offset by an insurance recovery. Results this quarter also reflected the underperformance at our construction operation, where we recognized cost due to weather and construction delays at one project nearing completion in Australia. The project is expected to be completed later this year. Finally, our Infrastructure Services segment generated $157,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA compared to $216,000,000 during the same quarter last year, which included $60,000,000 of contributions from Nuclear Technology Services, which we sold late last year. Speaker 400:13:03Results also benefited from improved contributions from offshore oil services. Turning to our balance sheet. We ended the quarter with approximately $1,600,000,000 of liquidity at the corporate level and no significant upcoming near term maturities on our debt. This provides us good flexibility to continue to support our growth and optimize our balance sheet. With that, I would like to turn the call back to the operator for questions. Speaker 400:13:34Certainly. Operator00:13:41And our first question comes from the line of Geoffrey Kwan from RBC Capital Markets. Your question please. Speaker 500:13:47Hi, good morning. First question was just on the CDK situation. Just wondering what the likelihood of any sort of future negative financial impacts from the incident, whether or not it's in queues for your future quarters? And then similarly, how would you describe the risk of the potential for market share losses? Like how remind me how long the contract terms are, the likelihood, clients may look to get some pricing concessions and the competitive environment whether or not competitors may try to get a little more aggressive on pricing in RFPs? Speaker 400:14:22Hi, Jeff. It's Jaspreet. Maybe I'll start off on the financial impact and then pass it over to Paul to address kind of the balance of your questions. So, we incurred remediation out of pocket costs as well as costs related to providing credits to our customers. All of those have been accrued in the quarter offset by some insurance recovery. Speaker 400:14:52So we think we've captured the bulk of the costs associated with the incidents in the quarter. And we're not expecting that there's going to be any additional material impact going forward just from the incident. Speaker 300:15:11Hi, Jeff. It's Paul. Just to answer a portion of your question, so most of these contracts are multi year agreements with an average of 3 to 5 years in length. The business has benefited from high customer retention rates that are reflective of the value of the service it provides to its customers. And obviously, our focus from a CDK perspective with the systems back up and running is to focus on continuing to be that best in class partner and manage the relationships with its customers. Speaker 300:15:52And we're going to do this by building the best and most secure platform for the industry. Speaker 500:16:00Okay. And just my second question is on a similar topic, but just more broadly speaking, the comments around using 3rd parties on the cybersecurity front for investing companies and also supporting them with other resources help to minimize the threat, a threat actually coming to fruition. But in light of what happened at CDK, I'm just wondering, does that is there anything that you've learned from it in terms of whether or not it's having the proper protections at each of your investee companies, whether that's the right third party providers or other factors and also too is having the right proper training and culture and IT personnel around cybersecurity risk, for again the various businesses that you Speaker 300:16:53Hi, Jeff. What I'd say is that the emphasis we've always had the emphasis on this, to be clear. The area that a focus and it's a focus frankly for the whole industry is a focus around this information security first and driving stronger on those practices. We've had a long history in doing this on security, physical security. We now have to continue to increase our focus on information security within all our portfolio of companies. Speaker 500:17:38Okay. Thank you. Operator00:17:40Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Devin Dodge from BMO Capital Markets. Your question please. Speaker 600:17:50All right. Thanks. Good morning. I want to start with a question on BRK and Bantel. I believe the recent restructuring was pretty far advanced, but there appears to be also a fair bit of investor activity in this sector lately. Speaker 600:18:06Just wondering if you think an IPO was still the most likely exit or are there other options that look more probable at this point? Speaker 400:18:15Hi, Devin, it's Jaspreet. I'll start and then Anuj Finan if he wants. So as you're well aware, we've kind of executed on our operational improvement plan at BRK. And we think that business is well set up for a monetization. The IPO was kind of a natural track to monetization for that business. Speaker 400:18:51Options. And we're doing the same thing at BR Cambiontel. The IPO market in Brazil is still very difficult. The rates were going down. I think that's kind of stalled a little bit. Speaker 400:19:07We haven't seen much or I'd say even any new IPOs or real equity capital market activity in Brazil. So that is still an option, but we are looking at other options as well to monetize and get at least some proceeds back up to BBU. Speaker 600:19:34Okay. Okay. Good color. Appreciate that. And switching gears, Nielsen, this is investment we talk about much, but just wondering if you can provide an update on the business and how much progress has been made towards that profit improvement Speaker 300:19:53plan? Hi, Doug. Nielsen is a 400 $1,000,000 DBU investment in pref security. As you know, Nielsen is a sort of data as a service offering. It's the leading provider of audience measurement services for TV and audio and it's got a growing presence in streaming and digital services. Speaker 300:20:22So our value creation plan and execution is focused around driving top line growth, but also driving at all elements of the value creation plan that we put in place. So far the impact of that is being sort of 400 basis points in margin improvement. And the company has got a lot of early wins within the digital and streaming environment. There's still lots of work to do to deliver the best offering for this buy side and sell side advertising ecosystem in an evolving market. Speaker 600:21:10Okay. Thanks for that. Good color. And then just maybe one last one. This morning, we saw Brookfield announced a cargo of a thermal management business. Speaker 600:21:20Just wondering if BB was involved there? Speaker 200:21:24Hi, Sanuj here. Thanks, Evan. I'll take that. We yes, we did, I think, yesterday signed or the night before signed binding agreements to acquire nVent, which is a great industrial business that we're quite excited about. It is a carve out of a larger corporation. Speaker 200:21:42So it's going to take 4 to 5 months to close. So we have some time. As you know, we've been advancing many of our capital recycling initiatives at BBU, including many monetizations that are hopefully on the way. And I would just say that in 4 to 5 months when it's time to close, depending on our liquidity and our priorities for capital allocation at the time, we'll be able to make that decision. Speaker 700:22:13Understood. Thank you. I'll turn it over. Operator00:22:16Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Gary Ho from Desjardins Capital Markets. Your question please. Speaker 700:22:28Thanks. Maybe just first one, I want to go to Dexco here. So we saw lower results this quarter just driven by lower volumes. Maybe can you give us some color on how you're managing through this environment and outlook for the back half and into 2025? Speaker 800:22:45Yes. It's Adrian, that's Sid. The market does continue to be affected by some softness in North America and particular parts of our international market. The team is continuing to do a fantastic job in managing costs to offset some of the volume decline. We're seeing some green shoots, but we expect the market to recover through the course to the back end of this year and into 2025. Speaker 800:23:12To a certain extent, when we underwrote and bought the business, we expected this to happen. We feel well set up and the team is doing a great job as I said, as we see the market recover through towards the end of this year and then into next year. Speaker 700:23:28Okay, perfect. And then my second question is around Clarios. So another solid quarter generated healthy free cash flow and was mentioned, you used that to pay down debt. Also, you're focused on progressing options for the business to generate proceeds. How's the IPO process progressing and or other initiatives that you plan to serve as value on this asset? Speaker 200:23:55Yes. Hi, Gary. It's Anuj here. I'll take that. So Clarius, as you said, the business has been performing exceptionally well. Speaker 200:24:02We're very, very pleased with how things are going at the business. We're evaluating we continue to evaluate all strategic alternatives, which include an IPO. And I would just say that we're quite encouraged by the progress we're making so far on all of those alternatives. So we're feeling pretty good about not only an IPO, but many of the different alternatives we're looking at for the business to recycle some capital for BBU. Speaker 700:24:29Okay, great. And then just my last question, I want to go back to the CDK front. Given some of the one time billing credits decline and whatnot, and when we look at the peak of the incident, yes, there were a lot of questions on what is the CDK's exposure is to BBU. And we saw the stock down 10% on over several days during the outage. I'm wondering if management has given some thought whether if you provided us some valuation marker on at least some of your significant investments that might have reduced the volatility on the trading of BBU stock or should another event happen in the future? Speaker 400:25:17Gary, just so I could frame your question, make sure I understood. Are you asking kind of how we assess how material the CDK incident was for BBU because of the volatility that you saw in the stock? Is that a fair summary of your question? Speaker 700:25:40No, it's more the stock was down 10%, so which would be a significant part of, I believe, the valuation of CDK assets. So had you provided some valuation mark of what that PDK would have been worth as a percentage of your NAV, maybe your stock wouldn't have been so volatile through that period? Speaker 400:26:06Yes. Look, it's hard to comment on the volatility of the stock. As you're aware, we're not disclosing NAV, but we do give you all of the components for the NAV and we share that with our investors. And like if I just step back, at our share, CDK generates about $250,000,000 of EBITDA for BBU today. We provide you with proportionate debt that is on that business. Speaker 400:26:47And And you could put the right multiple on it and get a good sense of what the value of that business is to BBU. So I'm not sure that giving investors an exact number versus giving them the components where it's easy enough to calculate that number, it would have made any directional difference one way or the other, but that has been our approach is we provide we've been guiding people to think of BBU as a high quality industrial services business. We've been giving you all of the inputs into calculating values for our larger businesses, including CDK. And we think kind of that information is available to investors to assess kind of the impact of any type of incident on value. Speaker 700:27:44Okay, understood. Okay, thank you very much. Those are my questions. Operator00:27:49Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Jamie Gloyn from NBF. Your question please. Speaker 900:28:02Yes. Thanks. Good morning. Just wanted to clarify on the interest cost savings. I think you mentioned it was 550,000,000 dollars in savings on this recent round of refinancing. Speaker 900:28:17Is that a $50,000,000 benefit to BBU or is that to the OpCos? And then if it's the OpCos, what would be the benefit to BBU? Speaker 400:28:28So our proportionate share of that will be about a third. So on a kind of a full year basis, it will be about $15,000,000 Speaker 700:28:40Okay. Speaker 400:28:41That's just Speaker 900:28:43Go ahead, sorry, Jess. Speaker 400:28:46Sorry, I should think that's from the spread reduction that we were able to achieve from the refinancing, like as rates go down, like that should have an additional positive impact. Speaker 1000:28:57Yes. So that was going to Speaker 900:28:58be my follow-up is that, was this recent round of refinancing, it's all floating rate debt. Is it unhedged, I guess, to are you making a call on that to unhedge it? And I guess I also noticed that like 70% of the debt is fixed or hedged. And I think that's an increase from more like 50% range in previous quarters. So maybe just talk through how you're thinking about the rate environment and your financing strategies? Speaker 400:29:31Sure. So this 70% is actually down from 75% And what the 70% represents is all of our debt that's fixed that it has hedges on it, so like derivative hedges, as well as debt that's naturally hedged. So the biggest part of that is our financing business in Australia, where there's floating debt on both the asset and liability side. So there's a natural hedge there. So if you take all of those pieces together, we were about 70% hedged. Speaker 400:30:11Last quarter, that number was 75%. The 50%, I think that you're thinking of excludes the natural hedges in the business. And how we're thinking about rates, we do think there is we're at the end of the rate hiking cycle and we should see rate cuts coming soon. Most of our hedges are on for about 18 months to 3 years is the typical timing of the hedges. We usually hedge based on the maturity of the debt or the whole period on our investments. Speaker 400:30:57And some of these hedges have been in place for a while. So as we're kind of looking forward now, as our hedges start to roll off, we'll make a decision on whether we want to continue to hedge or let them roll off and keep the debt floating. But I think we've got some hedges in place that will keep rates pretty consistent for us in the business, the base rate for a little while. But hopefully as the rates start to come down, we're able to take some advantage of that as hedges roll off. Speaker 900:31:32Okay. And sorry, was this recent round hedged or unhedged? Speaker 400:31:39So I think it's probably fair to think of that 70 ish percent. So like all of the spreads that were reduced were all floating rate debt and we look at kind of the entire company and we'll based on the business, we'll hedge anywhere from 50% to 75%, 80% of the floating rate exposure. So you can think of 70% of the base rates on the stuff that we refinanced is hedged. Speaker 900:32:10Okay, great. And last one, just on the CAGEN, another $50,000,000 dividend this quarter. Can you just refresh what's the cumulative dividends that have been upstream from Cajun and relative Speaker 200:32:29the total investment in CeGN? Speaker 400:32:33Yes. So in total so far, we've gotten back about including kind of the dividend that we got this quarter. We've gotten back 85% of the capital that BBU invested and we invested 855,000,000 dollars So we've got circa $100,000,000 of equity at risk still in the business. Speaker 300:33:01Okay. That's incredible. Thank you. Operator00:33:05Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Dmitry Khmelnytsky from SVARITAS. Your question please. Speaker 1000:33:17Hi, and thank you for taking the call. So the first question is, I wonder if you can provide some disclosure about how big are the switching costs per dealership. Speaker 400:33:32Dmitry, Dmitry, you're coming in and out. It's a bit hard to hear you. Speaker 1000:33:38I apologize. Can you hear me now? Yes, sorry. Speaker 400:33:48Yes, we can hear you now. Speaker 1000:33:50Awesome. Again, I'm sorry. So first question on CDK. How big are the switching costs per dealership to move to another platform if they were to choose those actions? Speaker 300:34:07So obviously it depends on the dealer size, Dmitry. So a large dealer that would have multiple rooftops would have to look at a pretty long process to move from one platform to the next on the dealer management software. There is other sort of peripheral applications that may be easier in terms of shorter time to migrate. But for the most part, it's a long process. It's a process that would entitle months to move from one platform to the next. Speaker 400:34:52Yes. I think, Dmitry, if you think about kind of a core accounting system or SAP type of system in any kind of operating business and you're trying to rip that out and implement a brand new system, kind of what that process would look like, that's probably a good proxy. Speaker 1000:35:12Yes. Thanks for that. And then switching to Brand Safeway, I wonder if you can disclose the DSO for that business for the past 12 months. Speaker 400:35:27Sure. So brand safety is in our Infrastructure Services segment and we actually account for brand Safeway. So you can if you look at our segment disclosure, you can pick up the EBITDA performance there. But the business generated about $30,000,000 in EBITDA at our share, approximately $30,000,000 I don't have the number exactly in front of me, but that's the contribution to EBITDA. Speaker 1000:36:02Understood. I think it was 2 segments. It was reclassified, I think, into 2 separate segments. Is that still current? No. Speaker 400:36:13No, it's always been in the infrastructure segment. Speaker 1000:36:17Yes. Okay. I'm sorry. All right. And then what other options do you consider to more impact BRK beyond a potential IPO? Speaker 400:36:30So there's a number of options. It's a great business and it's a great platform for kind of water and sewage treatment in Brazil. And there's a number of strategics that might be interested in partnering with us and buying the stake in the business either with the business as a whole or in our more mature concessions. So when you think about the business, it's got concession agreements with a number of different regions and municipalities. And those concessions are at different stages of development. Speaker 400:37:16Some of them are more mature than others and there may be and there has been kind of interest on some of the more mature concessions. So it could be a partner for the whole business, it could be a partner in hard to sort of like the circumvention or if the market is better, an IPO is always an option as public Operator00:38:00Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Nik Priebe from CIBC Capital Markets. Your question please. Speaker 1100:38:10Okay, thanks. I just want to go back to CDK for a moment. My understanding is that the internal view is that this incident won't necessitate the downstreaming of any capital to prop up the balance sheet or liquidity position there. Is that still the expectation? Speaker 400:38:25Yes. Yes, that's right. I mean, this business generates a lot of free cash flow. It's got significant liquidity and we're not anticipating providing downstreaming any capital. Speaker 1100:38:39Okay, that's good. And then there have been some press reports about auto dealerships bringing forward legal action in response to the outage. Is there any sort of cyber insurance coverage that would protect CDK from lawsuits stemming from an incident like that? Speaker 400:38:54So the business does have cyber insurance, which we have drawn on to address the cyber incident. To the extent that there's litigation, which at this point, we're not we're still assessing, but we're not sure there's too much merit to do a lot of these. I don't think they'd be covered by insurance. Speaker 1100:39:26Okay, got it. And just last question for me, just on Clarios. If I take the last 12 month adjusted EBITDA number and I gross it up to 100% basis, it implies about 2,200,000,000 dollars Now I'm cognizant that U. S. GAAP EBITDA is a little bit lower than EBITDA presented under IFRS. Speaker 1100:39:46But as we approach the end of the company's fiscal year here in September, is it safe to say that EBITDA will exceed $2,000,000,000 on a U. S. GAAP basis for the full year? I'm just thinking about this in the context of a pricing scenario for a potential IPO. Speaker 400:40:05Yes. Look, it will be at and about $2,000,000,000 the U. S. GAAP to IFRS adjustments, if I just think about kind of the scale of those adjustments, it should be about a little bit over $2,000,000,000 but there's still a quarter performance to go. So we'll see how things kind of pan out. Speaker 1100:40:29Understood. Okay, fair enough. All right. Thanks very much for taking my questions. Operator00:40:34Thank you. This does conclude the question and answer session of today's program. I'd like to hand the program back to Anuj Rachan for any further remarks. Speaker 200:40:45Thank you everyone for joining this quarter and we look forward to seeing you all at Investor Day in September. Operator00:40:52Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.Read morePowered by