NASDAQ:OFIX Orthofix Medical Q2 2024 Earnings Report $13.79 +0.24 (+1.77%) Closing price 05/2/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$13.79 0.00 (0.00%) As of 05/2/2025 04:52 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Orthofix Medical EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.88Consensus EPS -$0.30Beat/MissMissed by -$0.58One Year Ago EPSN/AOrthofix Medical Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$198.62 millionExpected Revenue$195.75 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$2.87 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AOrthofix Medical Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date8/6/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, August 6, 2024Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsOrthofix Medical's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, May 6, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Orthofix Medical Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 6, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. My name is Christa, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Orthofix Medical Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:31Thank you. I will now turn the conference over to Julie Dewey. Julie, the floor is yours. Speaker 100:00:38Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Orthofix Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. We appreciate you joining us. I'm Julie Dewey, Orthofix's Chief IR and Communications Officer. Joining me on Speaker 200:00:52the call today are President Speaker 100:00:53and Chief Executive Officer, Massimo Colofiori and Chief Financial Officer, Julie Andrews. During this call, we will be making forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. All statements other than those of historical facts are forward looking statements, including any earnings guidance we provide and any statements about our plans, beliefs, strategies, expectations, goals or objectives. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on such forward looking statements as there is no assurance that the matter contained in such statements will occur. The forward looking statements we will make on today's call are based on our beliefs and expectations as of today, August 6, 2024. Speaker 100:01:37We do not undertake any obligation to revise or update such forward looking statements. Some factors that could cause actual results to be materially different from the forward looking statements made by us on the call include the risk factors disclosed under the heading Risk Factors in our Form 10 Q filed this morning, August 6, 2024, as well as additional SEC filings we make in the future. In addition, on today's call, we will refer to various non GAAP financial measures. We believe that in order to properly understand our short term and long term financial trends, investors may wish to review these matters as a supplement to the financial measures determined in accordance with U. S. Speaker 100:02:22GAAP. Please refer to today's news release announcing our second quarter 2024 results for information regarding our non GAAP results, including our reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to our U. S. GAAP results. Additionally, all revenue percentage changes discussed will be on a constant currency year over year basis. Speaker 100:02:45As a reminder, as noted in the Q1 call, we have annualized the impact of the SeaSpine merger and will therefore no longer be referring to pro form a growth. In addition, all results of operations that we refer to in our prepared comments will be on a non GAAP as adjusted basis. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Massimo. Speaker 300:03:10Thank you, Julie, and welcome to the team. Glad to have you on board with us. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our Q2 earnings call. I'll spend some time providing business updates and information about other key initiatives. Before I turn it over to our CFO, Julie Andrews, to cover the specifics of our Q2 results and revised guidance. Speaker 300:03:44Orthofix had a strong second quarter delivering above market growth across virtually the entire portfolio. Our team continues to execute to plan and after 2 quarters in my role, I can very confidently say that the business fundamentals are excellent. We have the momentum to continue leveraging our strategic advantages and we have made considerable progress in cash usage paving the way for much earlier than expected positive free cash flow for the second half of this year. Both operationally and commercially, I'm pleased with our first half performance and encouraged by what's to come in the remainder of 2024 and beyond. Net revenue for the 2nd quarter was 198,600,000 dollars representing year over year growth of 6% on a constant currency basis. Speaker 300:04:56Growth was led primarily by strength in our U. S. Spine and Bone Growth Therapy or BGT businesses as well as continued market penetration in U. S. Orthopedics. Speaker 300:05:13U. S. Spine fixation grew 12%, more than twice the market rate, and we are capturing increased market share with every quarter. Spine and Structures team in the PGT markets were once again bright spots and have benefited from cross selling efforts from our spinal and orthopedic implant business. During the Q2, we began a limited market release for 2 new interbody designs. Speaker 300:05:52It features Orsofix proprietary advanced surface technologies and expand our portfolio of lumbar interbody fusion products to address varying patient anatomies. Our new Reef L lateral lumbar interbody is designed to maintain the favorable mechanical and imaging properties of Peak, while also supporting bond on growth. Importantly, Riff Health further augments our competitive position in the $400,000,000 lateral interbody fusion market in the U. S. Building on last year's successful launch, the MRIdian Alief portfolio has been expanded to include additional solutions that pair our best in class 3 d printed waveform surface technology with new options to address the vast majority of surgeon preferences. Speaker 300:06:59U. S. Orthopedics grew 7% and we received 510 clearances for the FitBond Trochanteric Nail and fitbond transport and lengthening system, further bolstering our comprehensive portfolio used in limb reconstruction and deformity correction procedures. We are in a limited market release for both of these products, which we expect to launch in Q2 2025. In prior calls, I've outlined the key priorities that we're focusing on this year, including profitable growth, strategic innovation and the synergistic and balanced approach to our portfolio and products platforms. Speaker 300:07:52We remain committed to these efforts and are benefiting from key decisions made as a result. In addition to those priorities, I'd like to call out some highlights relating to the leadership team, expanded commercial innovation opportunities and successes across merger integration milestones. One of my first tasks in taking on this role was to recruit a world class leadership team capable of shaping a culture of value creation and successfully executing on a long term vision for Orthofix. I am pleased to report that we have finalized the executive leadership team with the latest addition of a seasoned business leader for our orthopedics team, who will start in mid August. We have a blend of new and 10 year talent ready to deliver on our commitments and fuel future profitable growth. Speaker 300:09:01Collectively, this team has more than 250 years of experience in the orthopedics and spine space. And now more than ever, I believe we are poised to unlock the company's full potential in each of our respective markets. The team's focus is now on prioritizing the most impactful initiative that will fuel profitable growth. To achieve this, we will be bringing together a cross functional group of leaders at the end of August to further define our long range plan and align on the specific strategies and vital fuel initiatives to propel our business forward. We plan to share our strategy as well our intermediate to longer term goals and financial target with you on a Q3 earnings call in November. Speaker 300:10:05As it relates to reaching other key milestone post merger, I'm pleased to say that the integration with SeaSpine has gone exceedingly well from an operational and culture perspective, including the recent successful achievement of a key milestones to complete the ERP system implementation at C Spine. We are laying the foundation for sustainable above market growth across our portfolio with a more focused commercial strategy to drive meaningful innovation to improve outcomes and efficiencies for our patients and surgeon customers. At high level, this strategy includes 3 key components: 1, going deeper into existing accounts 2, taking advantage of multiple commercial access points across our product portfolio and 3, leveraging our 7 d flash navigation system to drive surgeon engagement and build brand loyalty. I'll now spend the next few minutes covering each of these in more detail. 1st, following the Seaspan merger and recent product launches, we believe we are well positioned to serve over 90% of the spine surgeons' needs with a comprehensive product portfolio, which includes spinal hardware, biologic and enabling technologies. Speaker 300:11:47We also believe that our comprehensive portfolio, a steady cadence of innovation will enable us to attract top sales talent, increase exclusive distributor relationships and drive secure relationships with surgeons and hospital accounts, which we expect to result in incremental product pull through as well an ASP lift from mix benefits. 2nd, the breadth and depth of the Orthofix Spine and Orthopedic offerings provides multiple paths to grow the business and sustain above market rates. For example, we are already taking advantage of cross selling opportunities to sell our BGT products into C Spine accounts, as well as introducing spinal hardware, biologics and navigations to our Spine BGT customers. We also have additional opportunities with our biologics and fracture simulation products through our orthopedics channel. Finally, we believe that our 7d navigation system represents a unique opportunity to drive surgeons and hospital account interest in the broader Orthofix portfolio. Speaker 300:13:19As announced last quarter, we are reorganized parts of our commercial structure such that 7 d flash navigation will be under the leadership of our Spine team. This commercial innovation has positioned 7D as an asset to drive growth across our portfolio as evidenced by our success in spine fixation. As the world's first machine vision image guided surgical system, 7D continues to revolutionize spinal navigation, making it faster, more efficient and radiation free. With the capability for registration in mere seconds versus 30 minutes or more for competitive systems and requiring no intraoperative radiation, 7D technology is proving compelling to surgeons, especially those performing open surgeries. Keep in mind that open surgery still represents approximately 80% of total current span interventions, positioning 7D as a key driver of incremental navigated procedure penetration. Speaker 300:14:43The ambulatory surgery center market for 7D is also of interest to us since some spine surgery procedures have been slowly moving into the ASC settings. We believe the 7 d system is well positioned for MIS procedure in the ASC with a small relative footprint, efficient workflow and pricing. Although still in the very early stage, we've been able to gain some initial experience in DASV with a few accounts where we have placed a 7 d system. With the evolution of our 7 d strategy, we are more confident than ever in its increasingly significant role in our portfolio. Additionally, this shift will allow our enabling technologies team to drive software innovation and enhance product integration alongside the R and D pipeline as we launch impactful products across all our franchises. Speaker 300:16:00We are highly motivated by the opportunity to differentiate ourselves through the combination of our hardware portfolio with our enabling technology platform system. Our surgeons and patients have become the product focus and we will continue to provide them with a unique approach to navigation in the OR. Overall, Orthofix is in a great position to capitalize on our recent product launch successes and deliver meaningful innovation to improve outcomes and efficiencies for our patients and surgeon customers. We remain the market leaders in bone growth therapies, have a comprehensive market leading biologic portfolio and differentiated products in several specialized orthopedic markets, such as complex trauma reconstruction and deformity correction. Additionally, our broadened spine portfolio is best in class and fully supported by the highly differentiated and compelling enabling technology. Speaker 300:17:16In summary, I'm pleased with our 2nd quarter performance and remain optimistic about the opportunities ahead. Based on continued positive momentum, the strength of our differentiated and expanding product portfolio, which continues to win share and our confidence in sustainable growth trends, we are raising our full year net sales and adjusted EBITDA guidance. And as I mentioned earlier, we are on track to achieve a positive free cash flow for the second half of this year, much earlier than we originally anticipated. With a clear line of sight, I believe we are well positioned to achieve our objectives this year and beyond. We are not letting up on the operational efficiencies and strategic execution it will take to deliver long term value for customers, patients and shareholders. Speaker 300:18:22I'm looking forward to a productive second half of twenty twenty four and what's to come for Orsofix. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Julie to review our Q2 financial results and updated guidance. Speaker 200:18:42Thank you, Massimo, and good morning, everyone. Orthofix had a strong second quarter delivering total company net sales of $198,600,000 or 6% constant currency top line growth and adjusted EBITDA margin expansion of approximately 310 basis points. For my commentary, I'll go through each of our business units and review financial results for the quarter as well as provide an update to our guidance for the full year 2024. Bone Growth Therapies revenue grew 12% to $59,100,000 in Q2 and marked the 6th consecutive quarter of double digit growth for the BGT franchise. This growth was driven by above market performance in both the spine and fracture channel. Speaker 200:19:31In the BGT spine market, where we hold the number one market share position, we continued to take share with more than 50% of the growth coming from new customer acquisitions. In addition, investments in the fracture market sales channel drove 14% growth in fracture with the AccelStem Bone Growth Therapy device continuing to outperform the market. As a reminder, the fracture market represents an opportunity of more than $200,000,000 and we are still in the very early innings of building our position in that market. Global Spinal Implants, Biologics and Enabling Technologies 2nd quarter revenue was $108,900,000 with year over year growth of 3%. U. Speaker 200:20:16S. Spine fixation revenue grew 12%, well above market growth rates, driven by deeper penetration of existing accounts and expansion of our customer base. Additionally, in the U. S. Biologics business, we saw a positive impact of new distributor partnerships as well as cross selling initiatives, which drove growth in line with the overall market. Speaker 200:20:39The global orthopedics business grew 6% in the 2nd quarter, led by 7% growth in the U. S. As a result of strong performance across our portfolio as well as distributor expansion and sales channel investment. The international business grew 6% versus prior year, primarily due to recent line extension in our Galaxy fixation Gemini system. Due to the nature of this business, particularly around the timing and volume of stocking distributor orders, we expect to see variability from quarter to quarter in the growth rates. Speaker 200:21:14Moving on to some detail below the sales line. Starting with our Q2 non GAAP adjusted gross margins, which were 71.3 percent for the quarter compared to 71.6% in Q2 2023. Non GAAP sales and marketing expenses were 50% of net sales for the 2nd quarter compared to 52% of net sales for Q2 2023. The decrease as a percent of sales was primarily driven by the realization of cost synergies and a lower effective commission rate due to product mix. Non GAAP general and administrative expenses were 14% of net sales for Q2 compared to 16% in the same quarter prior year. Speaker 200:22:00The decrease as a percent of sales was primarily driven by the impact of cost synergies and a reduction in stock based compensation. Non GAAP research and development expenses were relatively flat at 9% of net sales for the quarter. Below the operating income line, non GAAP interest expense and other was $4,800,000 for the quarter. Altogether, this resulted in non GAAP adjusted EBITDA of $16,600,000 or 8.4 percent of net sales for the quarter, a 310 basis point expansion over Q2 2023 due to the capture of merger related synergies and driving leverage on sales growth. This represented a 58% drop through on incremental revenue dollars. Speaker 200:22:50We remain encouraged by these results as we are seeing the impact of merger related synergies and our ability to drive leverage on sales growth materialize. From a cash standpoint, our total cash balance, including restricted cash at the end of Q2 was approximately 28,900,000 dollars Our free cash flow usage was $700,000 in the quarter, a significant improvement over the Q1 of this year. Adjusting for the annual bonus payment and one time merger related retention payments, free cash flow improved approximately $10,000,000 over Q1 2024. This was a result of higher EBITDA as well as improvements in DSO and inventory utilization. We have achieved $38,000,000 in annualized synergies to date and are confident in our ability to achieve $50,000,000 in synergies 3 years post close of the merger. Speaker 200:23:48Overall, we are pleased with our 2nd quarter results and we continue to be confident in our ability to drive profitable revenue growth moving forward. Moving on to 2024 full year guidance. As Massimo stated, we are increasing our guidance for full year net sales to range between $795,000,000 $800,000,000 representing implied growth of 6.7 percent to 7.4% year over year on a constant currency basis compared to our previous guidance of $790,000,000 to $795,000,000 or 6% to 7% growth. Please note, our expectations are based on current foreign exchange rates and do not account for rate changes that may occur through 2024. We are also increasing our full year 2024 non GAAP adjusted EBITDA to $64,000,000 to $69,000,000 compared to our previous guidance of $62,000,000 to $67,000,000 Finally, we are continuing to focus on improving our working capital management, specifically our inventory and instrument utilization and DSO efficiency. Speaker 200:25:03With these efforts as well as continued execution of merger related cost synergies, we now expect to be free cash flow positive in the second half of twenty twenty four earlier than we had originally anticipated. While we do not provide quarterly guidance, I will provide directional commentary on the expected cadence of our business to assist you in modeling our quarterly performance. These comments remain in line with the directional remarks provided on our Q4 call in March. We expect Q3 net sales growth to be at the high end of the guidance range due to disruption in the prior year as we closed the quarter and the impact of one additional selling day in 2024 versus 2023. For gross margin, we continue to expect 2024 full year gross margin to be in the 71% range in line with 2023. Speaker 200:25:59We also expect operating expenses to decrease approximately 200 basis points to 300 basis points through leverage on incremental sales and additional cost synergies. To assist you with modeling EBITDA, we reiterate our outlook for depreciation expense, which for the full year 2024 is in the range of approximately $36,000,000 to $37,000,000 Stock based compensation expense is now expected to be in the range of $33,000,000 to $35,000,000 Below the operating income line, our expectation for interest in other is approximately $5,000,000 per quarter. We expect adjusted EBITDA margin improvement of approximately 200 basis points for the full year with margin expansion in the second half of the year to be slightly lower over prior year as we annualized the bulk of 2023 synergies in the first half of twenty twenty four. Q3 adjusted EBITDA margin expansion is expected to be less than in Q4. Now before we open up the call for questions, let me turn it back to Massimo for concluding comments. Speaker 200:27:09Massimo? Speaker 300:27:11Thanks, Julie. In closing, I want to express my appreciation to our entire Orthofix team for their efforts in Q2. Their contribution have been instrumental in driving our performance and I'm very proud of the progress we have made. With our full leadership team in place, it is now time for us to continue executing against our commitments, drive sustained profitable growth and expand shareholder value. The fundamentals are strong and we have an innovative mindset to carry us forward. Speaker 300:27:51I'm encouraged by what we achieved and excited for what's to come. Operator, let's now open the line for questions. Operator00:28:01Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Your first question comes from Matthew Blackman with Stifel. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:28:26Good morning, everybody. Can you hear me okay? Operator00:28:28We can. Hi, Matt. Speaker 500:28:30Hi, Matt. Speaker 400:28:30Hi. Hello, everybody. Julie, I've got a couple for you, Julie Andrews, to be precise. You talked a little bit about it at the end of your comments, but can you talk a little bit more about the levers you pulled to get to cash flow positive faster than expected? And maybe more important, how much more opportunity there may be in those levers or others? Speaker 400:28:50And then maybe I'll just start out here, just some clarification on that free cash flow guide. Should we expect positive free cash flow in 3Q and 4Q or just in the second half in some? And then with the exception maybe of the seasonally heaviest spend in 1Q 2025, should free cash flow stay positive from here out? Speaker 600:29:10Okay. Thanks, Matt. So I'll start with your first question, the free cash flow usage and the improvement. We saw a really good drop through on our EBITDA, that was one driver, as well as we're seeing improved working capital efficiency with inventory utilization had improvement there as well as DSO improvement as well. Those were the main drivers within the quarter. Speaker 600:29:37We do still think that there is opportunity within of course with adjusted EBITDA as that increases that we'll see a good conversion to cash there. And then we do still think that there's opportunity within our inventory line and less opportunity with DSO efficiency, but some there as well. And that's really what's driving kind of our outlook on the back half of the year, being free cash flow positive. We're not guiding to Q3 and Q4 individually being free cash flow positive. Q4 we are, but the back half full back half of the year. Speaker 600:30:17And then, your second question was Yes, sustainability. Yes, I mean, we believe we will be free cash flow positive for 2025. It won't be every quarter. As you mentioned, Q1 has seasonal payments that we make and that won't be a frequent we wouldn't expect that to be free cash flow positive. Speaker 400:30:42Okay. And if Julie, do you allow me one follow-up question. I think the implied and this is for you Julie Andrews again. The implied drop through I think in the second half is something like 40%, something in that neighborhood. How we should be thinking about drop through as a rule of thumb beyond 2024? Speaker 400:30:59Or does it go lower than that you annualize some of these cost synergies and maybe some of the initial initiatives? Thanks. Speaker 600:31:06Yes. I mean, generally, we would expect to be in the 30%, 35% range as we annualize our synergies. We won't maintain the 40% range over time. We haven't specifically given numbers. Speaker 400:31:22Okay. I'll get back in queue. Thank you so much. Speaker 600:31:25Thanks, Ben. Operator00:31:26Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Zimmerman with BTIG. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:31:33Good morning. Thanks for taking our questions and congrats on all the progress this quarter guys. Thank you. I want to ask 2 questions on products, if I may. First, as I look at the overall spine growth, particularly in hardware, biologics and enabling tech, appreciate the color on the hardware, the commentary on biologics. Speaker 700:31:53I wonder if you could spend a little bit on enabling Techmoisimo. Kind of how is that shaping up relative to the growth of that segment? What do you see for the pipeline in terms of 70 demand? And just how to think about kind of going forward that contribution to that segment in enabling tech? And then I have a question on STEM after that. Speaker 700:32:17Thank you. Speaker 500:32:19Yes. Look, great question. We discussed this multiple times and we see 7 d as a fundamental for us on create sustainable growth. There is a lot of interest around 7 gs and a lot of focus that we're putting right now on creating more placement of our machine for earn out. Actually, there was a pretty strong effort by the team on start to be focused on that because we believe that creating more earnouts out there is going to drive higher implant utilization and sustainable growth. Speaker 500:33:06Because you can I've said multiple times, 7 d is a unique technology that really creates a differentiable experience in the OR. And all of this is translating and is going to translate for us on bringing more surgeons on board. At the same time, from the R and D perspective, we are very excited about what we can do with 7 d. There's going to be a very let's say focused investment on 2025 and beyond around the technology because we believe that we can add peace that no other company can have given our proprietary machine vision. So in brief, again, great focus on development on 7D, great focus on creating earn outs opportunities out there to become an alternative not just to other navigation system, but also to robotic system out there. Speaker 700:34:10Okay. Next question on STEM. You continue to, I think, surprise not just myself, but everyone on your continued success in STEM. 6 quarters in a row, double digits, very impressive. Part of that is a benefit, I would imagine, from cross selling, particularly from the legacy SeaSpine business. Speaker 700:34:34Where do you think you're at in that in terms of that penetration? I mean, how much more can you benefit from cross selling BoneStim into the legacy SeaSpine customer base? And again, if this is a market that's growing low single digits, at some point, I worry, maybe not you guys, but I worry that that growth may slow. And so help me understand kind of how long these tailwinds you think in your mind can continue? Speaker 500:35:05Yes, it is a great question because it's a question that we ask of ourselves. So right now, you can see that we are like at the infancy of our merger with SeaSpine. So I think that the foreseeable future, we keep seeing the opportunity to leverage, as you said, the synergistic approach that we are bringing up on cross selling within our segment given that the whole point is the same. Over time, I think that given our dominance in the market, we're going to see a slowdown, a natural slowdown of the growth to let's say market rates above market rates. But as said before, we are still at the infancy of our merger. Speaker 500:35:53So I think there is still room to drive a synergistic, let's say, to drive and leverage the synergies that you're seeing right now. But again, I think that you're seeing with the right set of eyes. Speaker 700:36:09Well, congratulations again. Speaker 500:36:11Thank you. Thanks, Ryan. Operator00:36:19Your next question comes from Jason Wits with Roth MKM. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:36:25Hi, thanks for taking the questions. Maybe just a quick follow-up on 7d. From your commentary, it sounds like most of the growth or placements are focused on open surgical procedures and MIS is still sort of a work in progress. Is that the right interpretation or how should we think about 7 d especially for MIS and percutaneous applications? Speaker 500:36:46Yes, Jason, thank you for the question. Look, at the end that one is, I've said before and I've said on my remarks, like we also 7 d given the footprint is poised to be, let's say, a machine that can be easily used on the ASC setting where we are going to see where we are expecting over time the switch on the MIS procedure. So right now, you need to see 7D as a system that for MIS is comparable to all of the system out there in the market. Of course, we talk about top end procedure because on the specific for the specific market, 7 d is the state of the art. But again, given that we believe on MIS, we are investing in MIS on the hardware side and we want to create a tighter connection between hardware and software. Speaker 500:37:44You see that as an investment on the specific MIS module that they're going to bring 7 d, if not at the same level, let's say, of 7 d for open procedure. So the system right now, again, you can do MIS. It performs as well as others. But over time, as I said before, given that we believe that for open procedure we are state of the art, over time we're going to work for make our MIS capability even better than competitors out there. Speaker 800:38:24Okay. Thanks. That's very helpful. And then on distribution, I think at least that was my read that until you go to cash flow breakeven, you're going to be somewhat selective and pretty careful on distribution. I guess two questions related to that. Speaker 800:38:391, can you give us an update in terms of what's happened with your sales force this quarter in terms of adds? And then secondly, am I right to assume that when the cash position improves, which sounds like it's certainly happening at a faster pace, there may be more aggressive increase in the sales force? Speaker 500:38:56Yes. This is Lucas. This is a great question. We don't give specific about our What I can tell you is that What I can tell you is that, look, our philosophy about commercial our commercial strategy is not going to change. It's not going to be dependent on our ability to spend. Speaker 500:39:21I think that I've said multiple times, we want to create sustainable growth and we will not force our commercial leaders to find growth just for the sake of growth. Look, what has made me very proud right now is not how much we are growing, but the quality of revenue that we're bringing to the organization. At the end of the EBITDA pull through that you saw this quarter is just function of our ability to be very dramatic on how we are doing. So if you want to see us, if you imagine us in the future, it's a company that is going to keep focusing or growing above market rate that is going to make, let's say, it's going to trade accelerated revenue to decrease EBITDA profitability and just going to stay always focused on being the best partner that we can found. Because at the end of the day, success is not just growth rate, but also our ability to utilize the asset that we have in the best way as possible. Speaker 500:40:32And we can do that if we have a very good commercial partner. Speaker 800:40:37Great. Congrats on a solid quarter. I'll jump back in queue. Operator00:40:42And that concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the conference back over to Julie Dewey. Speaker 100:40:51Thank you. 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Email Address About Orthofix MedicalOrthofix Medical (NASDAQ:OFIX) operates as a spine and orthopedics company in the United States, Italy, Germany, the United Kingdom, France, Brazil, and internationally. It operates through two segments, Global Spine and Global Orthopedics. The Global Spine segment manufactures and distributes bone growth stimulator devices for enhance of bone fusion, including adjunctive and noninvasive treatment of cervical and lumbar spine, as well as a therapeutic treatment for non-spine; designs, develops, and markets a portfolio of motion preservation and fixation implant products, which are used in surgical procedures of the spine; and offers biological products, such as fiber-based and particulate demineralized bone matrices, cellular bone allografts, collagen ceramic matrices, and synthetic bone void fillers, and tissue forms, which allow physicians to treat various spinal and orthopedic conditions. This segment also designs, develops, and markets a portfolio of navigation technologies, including tracked surgical tools, intelligent software, and imaging equipment based on machine-vision and optical innovations. The Global Orthopedics segment offers products and solutions that allow physicians to treat various orthopedic conditions related to limb reconstruction and deformity correction unrelated to the spine. This segment designs, develops, and markets external and internal fixation orthopedic products that are coupled with enabling digital technologies to serve the complete patient treatment pathway. It sells its products through distributors and sales representatives to hospitals, healthcare organizations, and healthcare providers. The company was formerly known as Orthofix International N.V. and changed its name to Orthofix Medical Inc. in 2018. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. My name is Christa, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Orthofix Medical Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:31Thank you. I will now turn the conference over to Julie Dewey. Julie, the floor is yours. Speaker 100:00:38Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Orthofix Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. We appreciate you joining us. I'm Julie Dewey, Orthofix's Chief IR and Communications Officer. Joining me on Speaker 200:00:52the call today are President Speaker 100:00:53and Chief Executive Officer, Massimo Colofiori and Chief Financial Officer, Julie Andrews. During this call, we will be making forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. All statements other than those of historical facts are forward looking statements, including any earnings guidance we provide and any statements about our plans, beliefs, strategies, expectations, goals or objectives. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on such forward looking statements as there is no assurance that the matter contained in such statements will occur. The forward looking statements we will make on today's call are based on our beliefs and expectations as of today, August 6, 2024. Speaker 100:01:37We do not undertake any obligation to revise or update such forward looking statements. Some factors that could cause actual results to be materially different from the forward looking statements made by us on the call include the risk factors disclosed under the heading Risk Factors in our Form 10 Q filed this morning, August 6, 2024, as well as additional SEC filings we make in the future. In addition, on today's call, we will refer to various non GAAP financial measures. We believe that in order to properly understand our short term and long term financial trends, investors may wish to review these matters as a supplement to the financial measures determined in accordance with U. S. Speaker 100:02:22GAAP. Please refer to today's news release announcing our second quarter 2024 results for information regarding our non GAAP results, including our reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to our U. S. GAAP results. Additionally, all revenue percentage changes discussed will be on a constant currency year over year basis. Speaker 100:02:45As a reminder, as noted in the Q1 call, we have annualized the impact of the SeaSpine merger and will therefore no longer be referring to pro form a growth. In addition, all results of operations that we refer to in our prepared comments will be on a non GAAP as adjusted basis. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Massimo. Speaker 300:03:10Thank you, Julie, and welcome to the team. Glad to have you on board with us. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our Q2 earnings call. I'll spend some time providing business updates and information about other key initiatives. Before I turn it over to our CFO, Julie Andrews, to cover the specifics of our Q2 results and revised guidance. Speaker 300:03:44Orthofix had a strong second quarter delivering above market growth across virtually the entire portfolio. Our team continues to execute to plan and after 2 quarters in my role, I can very confidently say that the business fundamentals are excellent. We have the momentum to continue leveraging our strategic advantages and we have made considerable progress in cash usage paving the way for much earlier than expected positive free cash flow for the second half of this year. Both operationally and commercially, I'm pleased with our first half performance and encouraged by what's to come in the remainder of 2024 and beyond. Net revenue for the 2nd quarter was 198,600,000 dollars representing year over year growth of 6% on a constant currency basis. Speaker 300:04:56Growth was led primarily by strength in our U. S. Spine and Bone Growth Therapy or BGT businesses as well as continued market penetration in U. S. Orthopedics. Speaker 300:05:13U. S. Spine fixation grew 12%, more than twice the market rate, and we are capturing increased market share with every quarter. Spine and Structures team in the PGT markets were once again bright spots and have benefited from cross selling efforts from our spinal and orthopedic implant business. During the Q2, we began a limited market release for 2 new interbody designs. Speaker 300:05:52It features Orsofix proprietary advanced surface technologies and expand our portfolio of lumbar interbody fusion products to address varying patient anatomies. Our new Reef L lateral lumbar interbody is designed to maintain the favorable mechanical and imaging properties of Peak, while also supporting bond on growth. Importantly, Riff Health further augments our competitive position in the $400,000,000 lateral interbody fusion market in the U. S. Building on last year's successful launch, the MRIdian Alief portfolio has been expanded to include additional solutions that pair our best in class 3 d printed waveform surface technology with new options to address the vast majority of surgeon preferences. Speaker 300:06:59U. S. Orthopedics grew 7% and we received 510 clearances for the FitBond Trochanteric Nail and fitbond transport and lengthening system, further bolstering our comprehensive portfolio used in limb reconstruction and deformity correction procedures. We are in a limited market release for both of these products, which we expect to launch in Q2 2025. In prior calls, I've outlined the key priorities that we're focusing on this year, including profitable growth, strategic innovation and the synergistic and balanced approach to our portfolio and products platforms. Speaker 300:07:52We remain committed to these efforts and are benefiting from key decisions made as a result. In addition to those priorities, I'd like to call out some highlights relating to the leadership team, expanded commercial innovation opportunities and successes across merger integration milestones. One of my first tasks in taking on this role was to recruit a world class leadership team capable of shaping a culture of value creation and successfully executing on a long term vision for Orthofix. I am pleased to report that we have finalized the executive leadership team with the latest addition of a seasoned business leader for our orthopedics team, who will start in mid August. We have a blend of new and 10 year talent ready to deliver on our commitments and fuel future profitable growth. Speaker 300:09:01Collectively, this team has more than 250 years of experience in the orthopedics and spine space. And now more than ever, I believe we are poised to unlock the company's full potential in each of our respective markets. The team's focus is now on prioritizing the most impactful initiative that will fuel profitable growth. To achieve this, we will be bringing together a cross functional group of leaders at the end of August to further define our long range plan and align on the specific strategies and vital fuel initiatives to propel our business forward. We plan to share our strategy as well our intermediate to longer term goals and financial target with you on a Q3 earnings call in November. Speaker 300:10:05As it relates to reaching other key milestone post merger, I'm pleased to say that the integration with SeaSpine has gone exceedingly well from an operational and culture perspective, including the recent successful achievement of a key milestones to complete the ERP system implementation at C Spine. We are laying the foundation for sustainable above market growth across our portfolio with a more focused commercial strategy to drive meaningful innovation to improve outcomes and efficiencies for our patients and surgeon customers. At high level, this strategy includes 3 key components: 1, going deeper into existing accounts 2, taking advantage of multiple commercial access points across our product portfolio and 3, leveraging our 7 d flash navigation system to drive surgeon engagement and build brand loyalty. I'll now spend the next few minutes covering each of these in more detail. 1st, following the Seaspan merger and recent product launches, we believe we are well positioned to serve over 90% of the spine surgeons' needs with a comprehensive product portfolio, which includes spinal hardware, biologic and enabling technologies. Speaker 300:11:47We also believe that our comprehensive portfolio, a steady cadence of innovation will enable us to attract top sales talent, increase exclusive distributor relationships and drive secure relationships with surgeons and hospital accounts, which we expect to result in incremental product pull through as well an ASP lift from mix benefits. 2nd, the breadth and depth of the Orthofix Spine and Orthopedic offerings provides multiple paths to grow the business and sustain above market rates. For example, we are already taking advantage of cross selling opportunities to sell our BGT products into C Spine accounts, as well as introducing spinal hardware, biologics and navigations to our Spine BGT customers. We also have additional opportunities with our biologics and fracture simulation products through our orthopedics channel. Finally, we believe that our 7d navigation system represents a unique opportunity to drive surgeons and hospital account interest in the broader Orthofix portfolio. Speaker 300:13:19As announced last quarter, we are reorganized parts of our commercial structure such that 7 d flash navigation will be under the leadership of our Spine team. This commercial innovation has positioned 7D as an asset to drive growth across our portfolio as evidenced by our success in spine fixation. As the world's first machine vision image guided surgical system, 7D continues to revolutionize spinal navigation, making it faster, more efficient and radiation free. With the capability for registration in mere seconds versus 30 minutes or more for competitive systems and requiring no intraoperative radiation, 7D technology is proving compelling to surgeons, especially those performing open surgeries. Keep in mind that open surgery still represents approximately 80% of total current span interventions, positioning 7D as a key driver of incremental navigated procedure penetration. Speaker 300:14:43The ambulatory surgery center market for 7D is also of interest to us since some spine surgery procedures have been slowly moving into the ASC settings. We believe the 7 d system is well positioned for MIS procedure in the ASC with a small relative footprint, efficient workflow and pricing. Although still in the very early stage, we've been able to gain some initial experience in DASV with a few accounts where we have placed a 7 d system. With the evolution of our 7 d strategy, we are more confident than ever in its increasingly significant role in our portfolio. Additionally, this shift will allow our enabling technologies team to drive software innovation and enhance product integration alongside the R and D pipeline as we launch impactful products across all our franchises. Speaker 300:16:00We are highly motivated by the opportunity to differentiate ourselves through the combination of our hardware portfolio with our enabling technology platform system. Our surgeons and patients have become the product focus and we will continue to provide them with a unique approach to navigation in the OR. Overall, Orthofix is in a great position to capitalize on our recent product launch successes and deliver meaningful innovation to improve outcomes and efficiencies for our patients and surgeon customers. We remain the market leaders in bone growth therapies, have a comprehensive market leading biologic portfolio and differentiated products in several specialized orthopedic markets, such as complex trauma reconstruction and deformity correction. Additionally, our broadened spine portfolio is best in class and fully supported by the highly differentiated and compelling enabling technology. Speaker 300:17:16In summary, I'm pleased with our 2nd quarter performance and remain optimistic about the opportunities ahead. Based on continued positive momentum, the strength of our differentiated and expanding product portfolio, which continues to win share and our confidence in sustainable growth trends, we are raising our full year net sales and adjusted EBITDA guidance. And as I mentioned earlier, we are on track to achieve a positive free cash flow for the second half of this year, much earlier than we originally anticipated. With a clear line of sight, I believe we are well positioned to achieve our objectives this year and beyond. We are not letting up on the operational efficiencies and strategic execution it will take to deliver long term value for customers, patients and shareholders. Speaker 300:18:22I'm looking forward to a productive second half of twenty twenty four and what's to come for Orsofix. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Julie to review our Q2 financial results and updated guidance. Speaker 200:18:42Thank you, Massimo, and good morning, everyone. Orthofix had a strong second quarter delivering total company net sales of $198,600,000 or 6% constant currency top line growth and adjusted EBITDA margin expansion of approximately 310 basis points. For my commentary, I'll go through each of our business units and review financial results for the quarter as well as provide an update to our guidance for the full year 2024. Bone Growth Therapies revenue grew 12% to $59,100,000 in Q2 and marked the 6th consecutive quarter of double digit growth for the BGT franchise. This growth was driven by above market performance in both the spine and fracture channel. Speaker 200:19:31In the BGT spine market, where we hold the number one market share position, we continued to take share with more than 50% of the growth coming from new customer acquisitions. In addition, investments in the fracture market sales channel drove 14% growth in fracture with the AccelStem Bone Growth Therapy device continuing to outperform the market. As a reminder, the fracture market represents an opportunity of more than $200,000,000 and we are still in the very early innings of building our position in that market. Global Spinal Implants, Biologics and Enabling Technologies 2nd quarter revenue was $108,900,000 with year over year growth of 3%. U. Speaker 200:20:16S. Spine fixation revenue grew 12%, well above market growth rates, driven by deeper penetration of existing accounts and expansion of our customer base. Additionally, in the U. S. Biologics business, we saw a positive impact of new distributor partnerships as well as cross selling initiatives, which drove growth in line with the overall market. Speaker 200:20:39The global orthopedics business grew 6% in the 2nd quarter, led by 7% growth in the U. S. As a result of strong performance across our portfolio as well as distributor expansion and sales channel investment. The international business grew 6% versus prior year, primarily due to recent line extension in our Galaxy fixation Gemini system. Due to the nature of this business, particularly around the timing and volume of stocking distributor orders, we expect to see variability from quarter to quarter in the growth rates. Speaker 200:21:14Moving on to some detail below the sales line. Starting with our Q2 non GAAP adjusted gross margins, which were 71.3 percent for the quarter compared to 71.6% in Q2 2023. Non GAAP sales and marketing expenses were 50% of net sales for the 2nd quarter compared to 52% of net sales for Q2 2023. The decrease as a percent of sales was primarily driven by the realization of cost synergies and a lower effective commission rate due to product mix. Non GAAP general and administrative expenses were 14% of net sales for Q2 compared to 16% in the same quarter prior year. Speaker 200:22:00The decrease as a percent of sales was primarily driven by the impact of cost synergies and a reduction in stock based compensation. Non GAAP research and development expenses were relatively flat at 9% of net sales for the quarter. Below the operating income line, non GAAP interest expense and other was $4,800,000 for the quarter. Altogether, this resulted in non GAAP adjusted EBITDA of $16,600,000 or 8.4 percent of net sales for the quarter, a 310 basis point expansion over Q2 2023 due to the capture of merger related synergies and driving leverage on sales growth. This represented a 58% drop through on incremental revenue dollars. Speaker 200:22:50We remain encouraged by these results as we are seeing the impact of merger related synergies and our ability to drive leverage on sales growth materialize. From a cash standpoint, our total cash balance, including restricted cash at the end of Q2 was approximately 28,900,000 dollars Our free cash flow usage was $700,000 in the quarter, a significant improvement over the Q1 of this year. Adjusting for the annual bonus payment and one time merger related retention payments, free cash flow improved approximately $10,000,000 over Q1 2024. This was a result of higher EBITDA as well as improvements in DSO and inventory utilization. We have achieved $38,000,000 in annualized synergies to date and are confident in our ability to achieve $50,000,000 in synergies 3 years post close of the merger. Speaker 200:23:48Overall, we are pleased with our 2nd quarter results and we continue to be confident in our ability to drive profitable revenue growth moving forward. Moving on to 2024 full year guidance. As Massimo stated, we are increasing our guidance for full year net sales to range between $795,000,000 $800,000,000 representing implied growth of 6.7 percent to 7.4% year over year on a constant currency basis compared to our previous guidance of $790,000,000 to $795,000,000 or 6% to 7% growth. Please note, our expectations are based on current foreign exchange rates and do not account for rate changes that may occur through 2024. We are also increasing our full year 2024 non GAAP adjusted EBITDA to $64,000,000 to $69,000,000 compared to our previous guidance of $62,000,000 to $67,000,000 Finally, we are continuing to focus on improving our working capital management, specifically our inventory and instrument utilization and DSO efficiency. Speaker 200:25:03With these efforts as well as continued execution of merger related cost synergies, we now expect to be free cash flow positive in the second half of twenty twenty four earlier than we had originally anticipated. While we do not provide quarterly guidance, I will provide directional commentary on the expected cadence of our business to assist you in modeling our quarterly performance. These comments remain in line with the directional remarks provided on our Q4 call in March. We expect Q3 net sales growth to be at the high end of the guidance range due to disruption in the prior year as we closed the quarter and the impact of one additional selling day in 2024 versus 2023. For gross margin, we continue to expect 2024 full year gross margin to be in the 71% range in line with 2023. Speaker 200:25:59We also expect operating expenses to decrease approximately 200 basis points to 300 basis points through leverage on incremental sales and additional cost synergies. To assist you with modeling EBITDA, we reiterate our outlook for depreciation expense, which for the full year 2024 is in the range of approximately $36,000,000 to $37,000,000 Stock based compensation expense is now expected to be in the range of $33,000,000 to $35,000,000 Below the operating income line, our expectation for interest in other is approximately $5,000,000 per quarter. We expect adjusted EBITDA margin improvement of approximately 200 basis points for the full year with margin expansion in the second half of the year to be slightly lower over prior year as we annualized the bulk of 2023 synergies in the first half of twenty twenty four. Q3 adjusted EBITDA margin expansion is expected to be less than in Q4. Now before we open up the call for questions, let me turn it back to Massimo for concluding comments. Speaker 200:27:09Massimo? Speaker 300:27:11Thanks, Julie. In closing, I want to express my appreciation to our entire Orthofix team for their efforts in Q2. Their contribution have been instrumental in driving our performance and I'm very proud of the progress we have made. With our full leadership team in place, it is now time for us to continue executing against our commitments, drive sustained profitable growth and expand shareholder value. The fundamentals are strong and we have an innovative mindset to carry us forward. Speaker 300:27:51I'm encouraged by what we achieved and excited for what's to come. Operator, let's now open the line for questions. Operator00:28:01Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Your first question comes from Matthew Blackman with Stifel. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:28:26Good morning, everybody. Can you hear me okay? Operator00:28:28We can. Hi, Matt. Speaker 500:28:30Hi, Matt. Speaker 400:28:30Hi. Hello, everybody. Julie, I've got a couple for you, Julie Andrews, to be precise. You talked a little bit about it at the end of your comments, but can you talk a little bit more about the levers you pulled to get to cash flow positive faster than expected? And maybe more important, how much more opportunity there may be in those levers or others? Speaker 400:28:50And then maybe I'll just start out here, just some clarification on that free cash flow guide. Should we expect positive free cash flow in 3Q and 4Q or just in the second half in some? And then with the exception maybe of the seasonally heaviest spend in 1Q 2025, should free cash flow stay positive from here out? Speaker 600:29:10Okay. Thanks, Matt. So I'll start with your first question, the free cash flow usage and the improvement. We saw a really good drop through on our EBITDA, that was one driver, as well as we're seeing improved working capital efficiency with inventory utilization had improvement there as well as DSO improvement as well. Those were the main drivers within the quarter. Speaker 600:29:37We do still think that there is opportunity within of course with adjusted EBITDA as that increases that we'll see a good conversion to cash there. And then we do still think that there's opportunity within our inventory line and less opportunity with DSO efficiency, but some there as well. And that's really what's driving kind of our outlook on the back half of the year, being free cash flow positive. We're not guiding to Q3 and Q4 individually being free cash flow positive. Q4 we are, but the back half full back half of the year. Speaker 600:30:17And then, your second question was Yes, sustainability. Yes, I mean, we believe we will be free cash flow positive for 2025. It won't be every quarter. As you mentioned, Q1 has seasonal payments that we make and that won't be a frequent we wouldn't expect that to be free cash flow positive. Speaker 400:30:42Okay. And if Julie, do you allow me one follow-up question. I think the implied and this is for you Julie Andrews again. The implied drop through I think in the second half is something like 40%, something in that neighborhood. How we should be thinking about drop through as a rule of thumb beyond 2024? Speaker 400:30:59Or does it go lower than that you annualize some of these cost synergies and maybe some of the initial initiatives? Thanks. Speaker 600:31:06Yes. I mean, generally, we would expect to be in the 30%, 35% range as we annualize our synergies. We won't maintain the 40% range over time. We haven't specifically given numbers. Speaker 400:31:22Okay. I'll get back in queue. Thank you so much. Speaker 600:31:25Thanks, Ben. Operator00:31:26Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Zimmerman with BTIG. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:31:33Good morning. Thanks for taking our questions and congrats on all the progress this quarter guys. Thank you. I want to ask 2 questions on products, if I may. First, as I look at the overall spine growth, particularly in hardware, biologics and enabling tech, appreciate the color on the hardware, the commentary on biologics. Speaker 700:31:53I wonder if you could spend a little bit on enabling Techmoisimo. Kind of how is that shaping up relative to the growth of that segment? What do you see for the pipeline in terms of 70 demand? And just how to think about kind of going forward that contribution to that segment in enabling tech? And then I have a question on STEM after that. Speaker 700:32:17Thank you. Speaker 500:32:19Yes. Look, great question. We discussed this multiple times and we see 7 d as a fundamental for us on create sustainable growth. There is a lot of interest around 7 gs and a lot of focus that we're putting right now on creating more placement of our machine for earn out. Actually, there was a pretty strong effort by the team on start to be focused on that because we believe that creating more earnouts out there is going to drive higher implant utilization and sustainable growth. Speaker 500:33:06Because you can I've said multiple times, 7 d is a unique technology that really creates a differentiable experience in the OR. And all of this is translating and is going to translate for us on bringing more surgeons on board. At the same time, from the R and D perspective, we are very excited about what we can do with 7 d. There's going to be a very let's say focused investment on 2025 and beyond around the technology because we believe that we can add peace that no other company can have given our proprietary machine vision. So in brief, again, great focus on development on 7D, great focus on creating earn outs opportunities out there to become an alternative not just to other navigation system, but also to robotic system out there. Speaker 700:34:10Okay. Next question on STEM. You continue to, I think, surprise not just myself, but everyone on your continued success in STEM. 6 quarters in a row, double digits, very impressive. Part of that is a benefit, I would imagine, from cross selling, particularly from the legacy SeaSpine business. Speaker 700:34:34Where do you think you're at in that in terms of that penetration? I mean, how much more can you benefit from cross selling BoneStim into the legacy SeaSpine customer base? And again, if this is a market that's growing low single digits, at some point, I worry, maybe not you guys, but I worry that that growth may slow. And so help me understand kind of how long these tailwinds you think in your mind can continue? Speaker 500:35:05Yes, it is a great question because it's a question that we ask of ourselves. So right now, you can see that we are like at the infancy of our merger with SeaSpine. So I think that the foreseeable future, we keep seeing the opportunity to leverage, as you said, the synergistic approach that we are bringing up on cross selling within our segment given that the whole point is the same. Over time, I think that given our dominance in the market, we're going to see a slowdown, a natural slowdown of the growth to let's say market rates above market rates. But as said before, we are still at the infancy of our merger. Speaker 500:35:53So I think there is still room to drive a synergistic, let's say, to drive and leverage the synergies that you're seeing right now. But again, I think that you're seeing with the right set of eyes. Speaker 700:36:09Well, congratulations again. Speaker 500:36:11Thank you. Thanks, Ryan. Operator00:36:19Your next question comes from Jason Wits with Roth MKM. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:36:25Hi, thanks for taking the questions. Maybe just a quick follow-up on 7d. From your commentary, it sounds like most of the growth or placements are focused on open surgical procedures and MIS is still sort of a work in progress. Is that the right interpretation or how should we think about 7 d especially for MIS and percutaneous applications? Speaker 500:36:46Yes, Jason, thank you for the question. Look, at the end that one is, I've said before and I've said on my remarks, like we also 7 d given the footprint is poised to be, let's say, a machine that can be easily used on the ASC setting where we are going to see where we are expecting over time the switch on the MIS procedure. So right now, you need to see 7D as a system that for MIS is comparable to all of the system out there in the market. Of course, we talk about top end procedure because on the specific for the specific market, 7 d is the state of the art. But again, given that we believe on MIS, we are investing in MIS on the hardware side and we want to create a tighter connection between hardware and software. Speaker 500:37:44You see that as an investment on the specific MIS module that they're going to bring 7 d, if not at the same level, let's say, of 7 d for open procedure. So the system right now, again, you can do MIS. It performs as well as others. But over time, as I said before, given that we believe that for open procedure we are state of the art, over time we're going to work for make our MIS capability even better than competitors out there. Speaker 800:38:24Okay. Thanks. That's very helpful. And then on distribution, I think at least that was my read that until you go to cash flow breakeven, you're going to be somewhat selective and pretty careful on distribution. I guess two questions related to that. Speaker 800:38:391, can you give us an update in terms of what's happened with your sales force this quarter in terms of adds? And then secondly, am I right to assume that when the cash position improves, which sounds like it's certainly happening at a faster pace, there may be more aggressive increase in the sales force? Speaker 500:38:56Yes. This is Lucas. This is a great question. We don't give specific about our What I can tell you is that What I can tell you is that, look, our philosophy about commercial our commercial strategy is not going to change. It's not going to be dependent on our ability to spend. Speaker 500:39:21I think that I've said multiple times, we want to create sustainable growth and we will not force our commercial leaders to find growth just for the sake of growth. Look, what has made me very proud right now is not how much we are growing, but the quality of revenue that we're bringing to the organization. At the end of the EBITDA pull through that you saw this quarter is just function of our ability to be very dramatic on how we are doing. So if you want to see us, if you imagine us in the future, it's a company that is going to keep focusing or growing above market rate that is going to make, let's say, it's going to trade accelerated revenue to decrease EBITDA profitability and just going to stay always focused on being the best partner that we can found. Because at the end of the day, success is not just growth rate, but also our ability to utilize the asset that we have in the best way as possible. Speaker 500:40:32And we can do that if we have a very good commercial partner. Speaker 800:40:37Great. Congrats on a solid quarter. I'll jump back in queue. Operator00:40:42And that concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the conference back over to Julie Dewey. Speaker 100:40:51Thank you. We appreciate all of you joining us, and we look forward to talking with you next quarter. This now concludes our call.Read morePowered by