Canaccord Genuity Group Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 9, 2024

There are 5 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. I'd like to welcome everyone to the Canaccord Genuity Group Inc. Fiscal 2025 First Quarter Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise.

Operator

Following the speakers' prepared remarks, there will be As a reminder, this conference call is being broadcast live online and recorded. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Mr. Dan Davio, President and CEO. Please go ahead, Mr. Davio.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and thanks for everyone joining us for today's call. As always, I'm joined by Don McFadgen, our Chief Financial Officer. Today's remarks are complementary to our earnings release, MD and A and supplemental financials, copies of which have been made available for download on SEDAR Plus and on the Investor Relations section of our website atcgf.com. Within our update, certain reported information has been adjusted to exclude significant items, provide a transparent and comparative view of our operating performance. These adjusted items are non IFRS financial measures.

Speaker 1

Please refer to our notice regarding forward looking statements and the description of non IFRS financial measures that appear in our investor presentation and in our MD and A. And now with that, let's discuss our Q1 fiscal 2025 results. Results for our 1st fiscal quarter reflect improving market conditions for corporate financing and advisory activities in our Capital Markets division, coupled with continued strong performance from each of our wealth management businesses. Firm wide revenue for the 3 month period improved by 25% year over year and 5% sequentially to $429,000,000 This reflects a 41% year over year increase in revenue from our Capital Markets division to $206,000,000 and a 13% increase from our Wealth Management business to $216,000,000 Excluding significant items, firm wide pretax net income improved by 6% year over year to $35,000,000 and this translated to diluted earnings per common share of $0.13 Although this represents an improvement of 86% compared to the same period last year, our profitability was impacted by higher interest expense in addition to increased G and A expenses in connection with conference and client engagement activities during the 3 month period. As previously discussed, in addition to making disciplined investments to strengthen our core capabilities, we also continue to invest in our compliance infrastructure in each region, bolstering our operations and implementing best practice training programs to continue to promote a culture of compliance across the platform.

Speaker 1

We expect the non compensation expenses related to this activity to continue over the coming year. Development costs for the quarter were also higher, primarily due to ongoing investments in connection with the growth of our wealth management operations. In addition to increased professional fees and certain exceptional items incurred during the period. About half of the quarter to quarter increase in our non compensation expense is not expected to recur in future run rates. Reflecting confidence in the strength and consistency of earnings generated by our Wealth Management business, our Board of Directors has approved a dividend per common share of $0.085 which is in line with the previous quarters.

Speaker 1

On that note, I'm very pleased to report another strong quarterly performance from our Wealth Management division as we continue to execute against our long term growth strategy. Client assets grew to a record $106,000,000,000 driven by rising equity markets, solid advisor retention and recruiting and positive flows in our managed portfolio products. This reflects a year over year increase of 19% in North America, 23% in Australia and 11% in the UK and Crown Dependencies, where client assets reached a new record of $61,000,000,000 We ended the quarter with modestly positive net inflows, primarily driven by organic growth efforts in all regions. Gross inflows continue to offset by outflows as clients access their investments in an environment of elevated inflation and interest rates. We are hopeful this trend will soon change.

Speaker 1

On a consolidated basis, our Wealth Management businesses earned record quarterly revenue of $216,000,000 a year over year improvement of 13% and a sequential improvement of 8 percent. The adjusted pre tax net income contribution from this division amounted to $33,000,000 which was in line with our prior quarter and 8% lower than the same period a year ago, largely due to higher interest costs and increased development costs, primarily in connection with our growth activities in the UK and Crown Dependencies. Looking at contributions by region, our business in the UK and Crown Dependencies contributed 50% of the revenue and 68% of the pre tax net income earned in this division for the 3 month period. 1st quarter revenue of $107,500,000 increased by 4% compared to the same period last year and is a new quarterly record for this business. The adjusted pretax net income contribution from this business amounted to $23,000,000 which was 15% lower than the same period a year ago in connection with our previously mentioned investments in growth.

Speaker 1

For the 3 month period, normalized EBITDA was approximately £19,000,000 We have had an excellent experience integrating the team from Intelligent Capital and we're on track to complete our previously announced acquisition of Cantab Asset Management within the next 3 months, subject to regulatory approval and other customary closing conditions. Our North American Wealth business generated $90,000,000 in fiscal first quarter revenue, which increased by 24% compared to the same period a year ago and primarily reflects a 23% increase in commission and fee revenue as market participation levels have increased. We continue to emphasize the growth of fee generating account types in this business. For the Q1, fee based revenue was 48%, but down modestly compared to Q4 given the uptick in transactional revenue. Notably, revenue from corporate financing activities increased by 37% year over year and 72% sequentially to $7,500,000 While this amount remains below historical levels, it points to an encouraging trend of improving confidence.

Speaker 1

Interest revenue continues to be substantial, representing 18% of total revenue in this business. As interest rates begin to decline, we would expect the associated decrease in interest revenue to be more than offset by higher transaction revenue as lower borrowing costs are generally positive for activities in our trading, ECM, advisory and securities lending segments. Ion assets of $38,000,000,000 were marginally lower than the record set in the prior quarter. Notably, our average practice size reached a new record of $270,000,000 and continues to be amongst the largest in the Canadian Wealth Management Industry. And finally, we continue to experience solid momentum in our Australian Wealth Business, which generated its strongest quarterly revenue of $18,000,000 an increase of 8% sequentially and 21% year over year.

Speaker 1

Managed client assets improved by 23% year over year to $6,600,000,000 a new high for this business. Excluding significant items, this business contributed pre tax net income of $1,200,000 While improving, net income continues to be impacted by our planned investments to support growth in this business. I will also note that we added 4 new investment advisors in the region in this quarter. The momentum we are experiencing in all our wealth businesses is helping us to attract a solid pipeline of talented prospects. Turning to the performance of our Capital Markets division, which had the most notable revenue improvement in the quarter.

Speaker 1

On a consolidated basis, revenue of $206,000,000 for the 3 month period was in line with the prior quarter and increased by 41% year over year, primarily driven by higher corporate financing and advisory revenues. Our advisory and corporate finance segments both benefited from an improved backdrop for mid market activities. We are also experiencing remarkable cross border collaboration that is not only achieving positive outcomes for our clients, but also reinforcing our market position within our selected verticals. Revenue from corporate finance activity improved by 121% year over year to $65,000,000 reflecting increased contributions from each of our geographies. Most substantial contribution in this segment were Canada and Australia, which reported year over year increases of 2 35% and 99%, respectively.

Speaker 1

While the mining sector continues to be our most active, comprising 47% of revenue in this segment, we are pleased to see a modest improvement in activity levels in our other core focus sectors. While it is still early days, we've been pleased to see the beginning of a rotation away from U. S. Mega cap stocks into broad markets, which includes smaller cap growth companies. We are ranked among the league table leaders in each of our geographies and notably ranked 2nd in Canada for transaction volume and proceeds raised for the fiscal quarter.

Speaker 1

This performance highlights our team's agility in adapting to changes in the market environment and their steadfast dedication to helping our clients achieve their goals. Advisory fees also improved notably to $67,000,000 for the 3 month period, which reflects an improvement of 66 percent compared to the same period last year, but was still slightly lower than Q4, where we also benefited from a substantial transaction in the technology sector. Our U. S. Business continues to be the largest contributor in this segment and first quarter revenue improved by 78% year over year and 84% sequentially to $45,000,000 The technology sector was the most productive accounting for 70% of our advisory business globally.

Speaker 1

Principal trading and commission and fee activity remained relatively strong, revenue in both segments declined when compared to the prior fiscal quarter, reflecting seasonal declines. Excluding significant items, the pretax net income contribution from this division amounted to $13,000,000 a substantial improvement from both the prior quarter and years comparison periods. Each of our geographies contributed positively except for our U. S. Business, which reported a small loss, primarily reflecting increased G and A expenses in connection with our upcoming Global Growth Conference and the aforementioned investments in our compliance infrastructure.

Speaker 1

In closing, while we are encouraged by indications that we are on a path toward more normalized economic conditions relevant to our core businesses, we expect bouts of volatility from quarter to quarter given the ongoing geopolitical and macroeconomic overhangs. With interest rates poised for further declines, we expect improved corporate finance and M and A activities and improved risk appetite, which bodes well for client engagement in both our Wealth and Capital Markets businesses. Regardless of the backdrop, we are continuing to execute against our long term strategy and remain focused on operating in the best interest of our clients and fellow shareholders. With that, Don and I will be pleased to take your questions. Operator, can you please open the lines?

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will not conduct a question and answer session. Your first question comes from Jeff Fenwick with Cormark Securities. Your line is now open.

Speaker 2

Hi, good morning everyone. Good

Speaker 1

morning, Jeff.

Speaker 2

So Dan, I wanted to start with Wealth Management. You highlighted the development costs being higher through the quarter. I think that was a factor in Canada and the U. K. Can you just remind us what all gets included in that bucket?

Speaker 2

I tend to think about in terms of business development and recruiting, but what sort of items get tucked in that expense line?

Speaker 1

I'll let Don go through that.

Speaker 3

Hi, Jeff. It's Don. Generally, it would be focused on costs associated with new hires as well as platform costs for systems development, those kinds of things.

Speaker 2

Okay. And I hadn't I guess this is maybe in advance of some teams joining here. You called out this being a bit elevated and then it falls away. So this is then tied to some new folks joining the platform?

Speaker 1

Yes, I think new folks as well as retention, both things would fall in that. So yes, we see that you saw a big increase in that line item over the quarter. We don't see it'll be higher than it was last year because we continue to recruit aggressively, but that level of elevation won't stay. The other point Don raised was systems costs and development costs inside our wealth business. We're putting in place a lot of systems and we've hired some consultants to get that organic growth continuing to move up.

Speaker 1

A lot of that was expensed in the quarter. So that line item won't stay at those elevated levels.

Speaker 2

Thanks for that. And then with respect to recruiting, we haven't seen a lot of activity, I guess, in Canadian Wealth Management for a while and the team count went down a little bit. I'm not sure if that's departures or maybe just some consolidation across the advisor base here. But maybe just sort of speak to the pipeline of opportunities there and your level of focus on that versus the organic initiatives you mentioned?

Speaker 1

Yes, for sure. The number of teams going down was consolidation, not departing advisors. We consolidated a couple of teams. And yes, the pipeline is lumpy. Remember, we on average, we've hired 60 plus advisors brought in excess of $20,000,000,000 in assets.

Speaker 1

We're still on the same pace. From quarter to quarter, you're going to see a little bit of volatility, but we're optimistic that we're going to continue to have the same pace of recruiting as we've had. We've got a great pipeline just over the summer. Nobody came in, but I suspect that will change in the fall if things go according to plan. And if you could hear me knocking on wood, I'd be knocking on wood right now.

Speaker 1

That's in the Canadian market and the UK market. We've started to recruit into that market and we brought on a number of front office professionals. That obviously takes longer in the UK for those assets to flow into our results just because the transition of the books takes a lot longer. We're also aggressively recruiting in Australia. We brought on a number of advisors.

Speaker 1

As I mentioned last time, we opened up an office in Adelaide. We just brought on 2 new advisors in Sydney. And again, we've got a pretty aggressive pipeline of advisors joining us in that market as well. So reputationally, we put the firm in a place where advisors are very comfortable coming here and spending the most productive years of their career. So we won't be changing our view as to what we can do from a recruiting front.

Speaker 2

Okay, thanks. And then within the UK, it looked like the compensation costs as a percent of revenue climbed up a little bit. Maybe that's partly the factors you mentioned about bringing people in, in advance of the assets joining or

Speaker 1

A little bit, but a lot of it's just stock based comp moves that flow through that division. But a little bit of this is hiring that we've done too.

Speaker 3

Yes. There will be a little bit of noise from the acquisition that came on board, a small one in Glasgow at the start of the quarter.

Speaker 2

Okay.

Speaker 3

There's some noise from that.

Speaker 2

Yes. And then maybe just one more here within the Capital Markets business. In the U. S, the question on your G and A, I'm just wondering, are there some items that get front end loaded through the fiscal year here that caused that to be elevated in the Q1? Like when I look year over year, that number was flat, a little over, I think, approaching $11,000,000 but that's more than double sequentially there.

Speaker 2

So I'm just trying to get a

Speaker 1

bit of a feel for that. Yes. I think Don alluded to it and I certainly alluded to it. We don't like there has been an uptick in our non compensation costs. It's just not as much as what we put through in the Q1.

Speaker 1

You've already asked about the development line, which we see coming down, But there's another line, which we see coming down because there is some front end loaded costs. Like on Monday, I'll be down in Boston, there are massive global growth conference that has some expense implications earlier in the year as opposed to later in the year. It's a huge it's a massive conference with thousands of people at it. So there is some front end loading of T and E and G and A in that quarter, which is

Operator

unfortunate because our revenue was strong and our earnings if you look at our historical margins, our earnings should have been stronger this quarter as well. Again, a fair number of

Speaker 1

not one time in the sense that we adjust them out, but non repeatable costs in the quarter.

Speaker 2

Yes, that's helpful color. Thank you. I'll requeue.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Jeff. Good questions.

Operator

Your next question comes from Stephen Bolen with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Speaker 4

Yes, good morning. Can you talk about, I guess, I'm not sure if this is new disclosure, I apologize if this was presented last quarter, but the I guess you identified that U. S. Trading provision that was set up well, I guess you identified that it's the U. S.

Speaker 4

Trading operation that you had to set the provision up and that it could go the provision may have to go up. Can you just talk any kind of details around that?

Speaker 1

Yes. We details is a difficult one, but we continue to actively engage with our regulators. I think everyone knew it was U. S. Regulators.

Speaker 1

It was always reported when we made the provision, we made the provision in our supplemental financials in the U. S. Business. I've been actively talking about it, about it being a our market making operation, our wholesale operation in the U. S.

Speaker 1

So we continue to actively engage with them, trying to come up with a potential resolution. We don't really have any substantive updates, but we thought we'd provide greater clarity and we hope to be able to do that in upcoming quarters. As we previously discussed and you've seen the escalation in our cost line, we continue to make a significant amount of additional investment, both financially, but also from a process standpoint in our firm wide compliance infrastructure. So and that includes the matters under review in the U. S.

Speaker 1

So listen, we've got a very strong culture of compliance here and that continues to be very important. That's not only in the U. S, that's globally. So as I think you're in the business, being in the business is harder and harder from a compliance perspective and we're certainly investing what we need to be very compliant.

Speaker 4

How much it would be like if you put another $5,000,000 $10,000,000 $15,000,000 $20,000,000 in like is it just a bit early to decide how much Yes. Again,

Speaker 1

if we could decide, we would decide. But there's just too much uncertainty to really regarding what the ultimate resolution would be. And I'd love to give you better clarity if I could, but I can't even speculate on a range.

Speaker 4

Okay. And maybe just going following up on Jeff's question on the U. S. Capital markets, I mean, the revenue sequentially up, but this division tends to struggle over the last couple of years or at least over the last 6, 7 quarters. The revenue seems to go up, but the profitability is there.

Speaker 4

Is there besides getting the revenue to maybe $100,000,000 which seems to be the threshold of profitability. Is there anything that can be done to get that division into profitability?

Speaker 1

Yes. Well, as you said, the revenue has moved up both on the new issue side and on the M and A side. Revenue is increased. Our profitability has improved, but not nowhere near the way it used to be in terms of what was there. So part of it is a cost issue and that's some of the increased investments we've been talking about.

Speaker 1

But at the end of the day, yes, we're looking at all kinds of ways to streamline that business to create more consistent levels of profitability. Remember that no one likes to talk about the pandemic. This is a business that was making $150,000,000 in pre tax net income. It funded all the share buybacks and everything we did. So it's a capital markets business, so you're going to see some volatility.

Speaker 1

But even pre pandemic and pre some of these acquisitions we did, this business is making $20,000,000 $30,000,000 $40,000,000 a year in pre tax net income. So yes, we've had a couple of quarters of losses, including a marginal loss this quarter, But both are we feel pretty confident that we'll ultimately get this business maybe not to that $150,000,000 level of profitability, but certainly consistently profitable.

Speaker 4

Okay. I guess my last question, Dan, I always ask you this about optimism. Your comments seem that again there may be a shift going into mid market away from large cap that benefits your business for sure. Is that your expectation for the latter half of this year? Is that over the 18 months that continues to improve?

Speaker 1

Yes. I mean, we've got we always have really reasonable visibility on our M and A business. So that's and we think that's going to be relatively consistent here. Obviously as interest rates will fall and credit markets continue to open up, we're going to see increase we believe in the short term, we're going to see increased activity in M and A. Obviously, it takes a while for those revenues to flow through on our financial statements.

Speaker 1

That's the easy thing to predict. The hard thing to predict is the new issue revenue as we both know. And in particular, this quarter, the quarter that we're currently in, is the hardest quarter to predict new issue revenue because a lot of it happens late in the quarter, the September. It doesn't happen in July August as much as you know. So really hard for me to give guidance for this quarter.

Speaker 1

But on balance, over the next several quarters, we see that secular shift out of mining into broader sectors. We see the secular shift out of the mega caps into some of the mid caps and smaller caps where we tend to do substantially better. I think we're still a ways away from an IPO market, and we also tend to do proportionally better in a stronger IPO market. I think we're a little bit away from that and then depending on who you want to listen to that may be several quarters away. So I'd like to think we're certainly on an upward line, but I think it's just a bouncy line for now.

Speaker 1

Hard to give better guidance than that, Steve.

Speaker 4

Well, appreciate your views. Thanks very much guys.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Graham Ryding with TD Securities. Your line is now open.

Speaker 4

Hi, Graham. Good morning. Just a couple for me. On the Canadian wealth side, the AUA, I think, was flat quarter over quarter and year over year maybe growth has been muted. Were there any departures or anything in particular, client outflows, anything dragging the growth in the Canadian well side?

Speaker 1

No departures, marginal net new asset growth, marginal this quarter, no outflows, no recruiting. So it was a pretty flat quarter. That's the bad news. The good news is higher proportion of our revenue and fee based revenue, higher proportion and discretionary assets, higher book per advisor, those are all good profitability measures. And again, similar to the UK and similar to our other wealth businesses, we're investing in growth.

Speaker 1

We're spending money so that we can continue to grow that business organically. And we've got a number of projects ongoing to bolster that growth effort. So in addition to our historical recruiting growth, we're doing things that will facilitate net new asset growth. And as I indicated on the last call, Graham, next quarter, I believe we will start disclosing everything we need to disclose in terms of being better visibility in all of our wealth businesses and exactly how they're growing or how they're in this particular quarter not growing from an asset perspective. Globally, we did hit another record asset.

Speaker 1

So things are moving generally in the right direction, although the summer is always a tough period to show significant growth in.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then my only other question would just be cash sweep income has been a bit of a headline issue in the U. S. Wealth space. Can you just give us a bit of context or color on how material interest income from client cash is for your Canadian and UK wealth businesses?

Speaker 4

And are there some other items in there perhaps that are also contributing to that revenue line?

Speaker 1

Yes. Again, in our supplemental financials, we disclose our interest income as I know you know. So I'll let Don answer the question and then I'll pull out real stats.

Speaker 3

Well, I think in Canada, we do have an active margin book. So margin loans are probably the biggest contributor to the interest revenue in Canada. Client cash is certainly a component, but margin loans. And that's why it's changed. It's tied to market rates, tied to prime and so forth.

Speaker 1

And in the UK, our cash sweep, what you're referring to is it's a relatively consistent number. So and they tend to offset each other as you know as interest rates go down and let's say our margin lending book in Canada has less revenue because interest rates go down that would tend to be offset with an increase in new issue revenue, which although improved this quarter is still significantly below historical levels.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Davia for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Okay. Well, thank you, operator, and thanks for everyone who's joined us today. It certainly concludes our Q1 fiscal conference call. As always, Don and I are around to answer questions. Our Annual General Meeting today will be taking place today at 10 am.

Speaker 1

If you choose to join, it's virtual. Welcome your participation. Access details were provided in the information circular and they're also on our website. Our Boston Growth Conference is next week. We're super excited by it.

Speaker 1

Huge attendance as is always and excited by the opportunities that come from that. So, operator, you can close the lines now and thank you again.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the conference call. Thank you for participating. Please disconnect your lines.

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