Guild Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 8, 2024

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Guild Holdings Company Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session with instructions to follow at that time. As a reminder, this call will be recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that comments on this conference call may contain certain forward looking statements regarding the company's expected operating and financial performance for future periods and industry trends. These statements are based on the company's current expectations. Preliminary results for any portion of the quarter may not be indicative of full quarter results and are subject to management and auditor customary review procedures. Actual results for future periods may differ materially from those expressed or implied by these forward looking statements due to a number of risks or other factors that are described in greater detail under the section titled Risk Factors in GIL's most recently filed annual report on Form 10 ks and in other reports subsequently filed with the U.

Speaker 1

S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Additionally, today's remarks will refer to certain non GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of non GAAP financial measures to the corresponding GAAP measures can be found in our earnings release furnished today with the SEC and are also available on Gild's Investor Relations website.

Speaker 2

I'd now like to turn the call over to Chief Executive Officer, Teri Schmidt. Teri? Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us to discuss our Q2 results and strategic update. With me today are David Nalen, our President and Amber Kramer, our CFO. We are very pleased to share our 2nd quarter results, which clearly demonstrate the effectiveness of our strategy.

Speaker 2

By remaining disciplined and consistent, we are not only delivering remarkable growth while gaining share, but we are positioning Gild for even stronger performance as rates and the housing market further improve. There are 3 key elements to GIL's strategy that we continue to deliver on. 1, increasing our market share during the industry downturn through accretive acquisitions in organic recruiting 2, investing in our people and technology platform and 3, delivering excellent service to reaching customers for life and earned referral business. The successful execution of this strategy is evident in our results. In the Q2, we delivered adjusted net income of $30,700,000 compared to $8,000,000 in the prior quarter.

Speaker 2

This impressive growth was primarily driven by our origination business and reflects our unwavering commitment to the retail mortgage channel. In the Q2, total originations reached $6,500,000,000 a substantial increase of $2,700,000,000 or 69% from the Q1. In Q2, we also significantly outpaced the industry growth rate estimated at 14%. This again underscores our market share gains and the strength of our business model. Moreover, we experienced a 43% increase in volume for the quarter compared to the prior year's Q2.

Speaker 2

Turning to our servicing segment, our unpaid principal balance increased to $89,100,000,000 at the quarter end. The cash flow from our servicing continues to grow providing a natural hedge and complements our originations business. Combined with our local sales team and our Guild 360 client retention system, we are well positioned to originate and recapture business across all market cycles. Specifically, our ongoing investments in our platform and technology reinforce our confidence in our ability to continue to drive outsized growth. To that end, we're proud to have recently debuted our internal artificial intelligence platform, GuildGPT.

Speaker 2

This platform sets new standards for speed and efficiency, allowing team members to easily access an AI assistant for instant delivery of customized information on company products, guidelines and related questions. This innovation frees up our team to serve their partners and customers with speed and accuracy. Overall, we believe this quarter is a strong indicator of the power of GYLD. Beyond these impressive results, we can clearly see the long term value being created by our successful execution of Guild's growth strategy. Our investments to expand our sales force organically and through acquisitions are creating a large network of loan officers who live and serve their communities across the United States.

Speaker 2

This represents an opportunity to further accelerate our growth in the coming quarters. We have a strong conviction that we are only starting to realize the full power of the Guild platform as we continue to achieve market share gains, grow our servicing portfolio and operate them as integrated businesses to create customers for life. We're confident in our strategy, our execution capabilities, our platform and trust in Gills. With that, I will turn the call over to David. David?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Terry. I'd like to share some additional perspectives on our recent performance and strategic direction. In the Q2, our origination channel demonstrated marked progress. After adjusting for contingent liabilities, this segment reached profitability even as we integrated and began ramping up our most recent large acquisition Academy Mortgage. During the quarter, Academy's team in excess of 1,000 personnel were successfully onboarded into Guild Systems and the resulting origination volume increase demonstrates the capabilities of our expanded team and our ability to gain market share profitably even in challenging market conditions.

Speaker 3

Regarding our servicing segment, we are well positioned to recapture more business as homeowners opt to refinance or purchase new properties when housing markets dynamics and interest rates stabilize. With approximately 20% of our unpaid principal balance at rates above 6% and more than a quarter above 5%, we've identified a considerable portion of our loan portfolio able to benefit for new financing opportunities as rates decrease. Beyond refinancing options, we believe our integrated technology infrastructure uniquely positions us for sustained future growth. The synergy between our $89,000,000,000 servicing portfolio and our Guild 360 sales and marketing platform eclipse our sales team to provide superior service for future home purchases. We continuously analyze our portfolio for signs of intentions to buy, sell or relocate, enabling proactive customer engagement and ongoing opportunities to create customers for life.

Speaker 3

Moving forward, we believe we will see additional growth beyond our historical volumes as we continue to execute our strategy of leveraging Gilt's integrated technology, diverse product range, exceptional service and strong brand across all channels. Furthermore, we believe we will capture additional market share as we realize the benefits of our expanded platform and team of loan officers able to leverage their networks to accelerate growth in the coming years. In summary, we are confident that our differentiated strategy, proven model and scalable platform position Guild for continued success and expansion in the dynamic mortgage market landscape now and well into the future. I'll now hand the call over to Amber, who will provide a more detailed financial review. Amber?

Speaker 4

Thank you, David. As is our standard practice, my comments will focus on sequential quarter comparison. For the Q2 of 2024, we generated 6 $500,000,000 of total loan originations compared to $3,900,000,000 in the Q1. Net revenue totaled 2 $86,000,000 compared to $232,000,000 in the prior quarter, which generated net income attributable to Gilt of $38,000,000 dollars compared to a net income of $28,000,000 in the Q1. Adjusted net income was $31,000,000 or $0.49 per diluted share and adjusted EBITDA was $42,000,000 Focusing on our origination segment, we realized a net loss of $3,000,000 a meaningful improvement from the prior quarter.

Speaker 4

Notably, after adjusting for contingent liabilities, we would have generated positive net income for the segment in the quarter. We are pleased about our solid performance in the origination segment, while continuing to ramp up the Academy acquisition. Our gain on sale margin came in at 326 basis points compared to 3 64 basis points in the prior quarter on funded originations. Year to date, the gain on sale margin is 3.40 basis points, which smooths for timing related adjustments and is in line with our expectations. Gain on sale margins on pull through adjusted lock volume was 3 15 basis points compared to 2 90 basis points in the prior quarter and total pull through adjusted loss volume was $6,500,000,000 compared to $4,600,000,000 in the prior quarter.

Speaker 4

For our servicing segment, our portfolio grew to $89,000,000,000 We reported net income of $70,000,000 compared to net income of $84,000,000 in the Q1. Our servicing portfolio continues to be a valuable source for ongoing cash flow, future opportunities for loan recapture and it reinforces our customer for life strategy. Our balance sheet remains strong and provides us with the flexibility to continue to invest in our growth. Turning to liquidity. As of June 30, cash and cash equivalents totaled $102,000,000 while unutilized loan funding capacity was $376,000,000 and the unutilized mortgage servicing rights lines of credit was $214,000,000 based on total committed amounts and borrowing base limitations.

Speaker 4

Maintaining a well positioned balance sheet continues to be a key priority for JELD. Our leverage ratio, which has been updated to be defined as recourse debt excluding HMBS liability divided by tangible equity was 1.9 times at quarter end, a strong indicator of our prudent financial management. Book value per share at the end of the quarter was $19.90 while tangible net book value per share was $16.15 We believe we are well positioned to both manage through the current more challenging operating environment while allowing us to invest to create additional value. In addition, we continued our efforts to return capital to shareholders. Specifically, during the second quarter, we repurchased approximately 14,000 shares at an average stock price of $14.09 per share.

Speaker 4

As of June 30, 2024, there was $10,700,000 remaining under the original $20,000,000 share repurchase authorization. Additionally, in June, we also paid out a $0.50 per share special dividend that we announced last quarter. In July, we generated $2,300,000,000 of loan originations and 2 $200,000,000 of pull through adjusted loss volume. We are pleased with the positive momentum and meaningful market share gains we achieved as we move through the first half of the year. As we look ahead, we expect that the Guild platform will benefit longer term from a combination of our ongoing organic growth, acquisitions and platform investments as we realize our mission of creating clients for life.

Speaker 4

That said, while we expect to continue to show growth, market headwinds remain and it will take time until the market cycle fully turns and we realize the accelerated growth we anticipate. And with that, we'll open up the call for questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be conducting a question and answer session. The first question comes from Don Fondetti with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Yes. Amber, the gain on sale margin was lower in Q2 versus Q1. Can you talk a little bit about the dynamic and where that's trending in July August and expectations near term?

Speaker 6

Sure. So as I noted on the

Speaker 4

call, if you look at

Speaker 6

the year to date, we're at 3.40 basis points overall. So there is some timing differences where we had the pull through adjusted lock volume increase significantly in Q1 and that led to that 364 down to the 326. But that 340 basis points, that's our operational gain on sale that we were at last quarter. That's what we've seen year to date this quarter. We don't provide guidance going forward, but I would say we haven't seen there's nothing to indicate any differences in that margin overall.

Speaker 5

So it's not stepping down as we go into Q3?

Speaker 6

No, I mean, if you look historically year to date, we're at 3.40 basis points. And so I think if you take out that smooth out that timing difference, we're aligned with where we were last year.

Speaker 5

Got it. And where are you on acquisitions? Obviously, Academy was a pretty meaningful acquisition for you. Are there still opportunities or are we kind of past the halfway point on that?

Speaker 2

We're still have a pipeline and still active in the M and A space and the organic, but it seems like the M and A side is slowing starting to slow down a bit. And but the organic side is extremely strong. So I feel like our brand in the community, the industry continues to gain steam. And so there's a lot of individual loan officers and teams of originators that are interested in hearing the guild story and want to talk to us. So that seems to be continuing to ramp up more and more.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Derek Sommers with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey, good afternoon, everyone, and nice quarter. Just on the $2,300,000,000 of originations and $2,200,000,000 of locks in July. Is that do you view Academy as fully ramped in those numbers? Or is there still a little bit of kind of onboarding process to go with that acquisition?

Speaker 6

Go ahead, Amber. Go ahead. Okay. They're integrated into our numbers overall, but everyone is recruiting as onboarding new loan officers, but they are in our platform fully integrated early last quarter.

Speaker 2

Got it. And then And they're kind of at the same pace they were as far as the volume in the past. I think they were between 18% 20% of our volume size and that's staying pretty steady. So to Amber's point, yes, they're pretty integrated at this point, but we're still growing with bringing on larger teams organically. So you still should see some growth during the rest of the year.

Speaker 8

Got it. That's helpful color. And then kind of a similar question just related to commission salaries and commissions, all of the expense efficiency there, kind of any incremental color on how that will trend going forward would be helpful.

Speaker 6

Yes. If you look at our origination segment overall, and you look whether it's cost per loan or in basis points, we're at numbers we haven't seen since 2022, the end of 2022 I'm sorry, 2021. So our strategy of volume and scale is working and driving our per loan cost down. That being said, as volume increases, right, you're going the variable expense with the incentive comp. So I think we have capacity to some capacity to build more volume.

Speaker 6

At some point. We would need to hire, right? And salaries are would be increased for that. But I think the big win here is showing that our origination segment is profitable excluding the contingent liability change. Our cost per loan has gone down and in basis points has gone down as well.

Speaker 6

So the strategy is working.

Speaker 8

Great. Helpful color. Thanks guys.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Eric Hagen with BTIG. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, thanks. How are you guys doing? First question, I just want to ask about pull through rates and how you see that maybe developing if rates are more volatile and what your pull through rate has historically been relative to what you might expect over the call it near term?

Speaker 2

Amber, do you want to take that one?

Speaker 6

Yes. We haven't seen significant changes this year overall. I mean we're always monitoring it. And I can't say what's going to happen in the future, but we've stayed within a pretty tight range over the last, I would say, 6 to 9 months. We haven't wavered from where we're at overall.

Speaker 7

Okay. Is there a pull through rate that you guys target or that you historically seen just kind of a number that we can think about?

Speaker 6

I don't know what we publicly disclose. I would have to get back to you on that. I don't want to give a number that's not out there.

Speaker 8

Sure.

Speaker 7

No problem. And then on the hedging of the MSR portfolio, can you say what kind of products you're using to hedge that portfolio right now? And is there a, call it, a hedge ratio for the portfolio that you've historically targeted relative to what you're looking to target right now?

Speaker 2

Since we're a retail platform, we've been really successful at just using the natural hedge and our production has always in environments like that, we've always actually been net net more profitable. I think this next I think this cycle will be a little more muted because I don't think the margins will be as grow as exponentially as they have in the past. But we always do even better in a situation like that. And I would say that our right now, our coupon stack, 20% of it's over 6%, 25% of it is over at 5% and above. And keep in mind that also because we've brought in all this organic growth and M and A growth, we've got all these additional loan officers that have their customer and client base.

Speaker 2

So anything related to rates going down, I think we're going to have an even bigger benefit than we've had in the past.

Speaker 6

Yes. And I would just add to that, that historically, if you look back, we do have we're at a 69% recapture rate in prior years during the refi boom. Also that our entire MSR portfolio is originated by our loan officers. So we have relationships with our borrowers. So that helps in terms of that recapture rate in the future potential refi opportunity going forward.

Speaker 7

Yes. That's really helpful. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Rick Shane with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Good afternoon, everybody, and thanks for taking the questions. Can we talk a little bit about the MSR that was retained during the quarter? I'm calculating the UPB was about $4,400,000,000 and the capitalization of that was about $74,000,000 Does that sound right?

Speaker 6

Yes. Overall, our retained was about $4,000,000,000 overall, 68% retained.

Speaker 9

Got it. And so Amber, when I look at the numbers, it looks like the cap rate on the MSR went up. And again, maybe call it 40 basis points quarter over quarter. Does that sound correct? And what's driving the change in that assumption?

Speaker 4

I mean, I'd have to look at

Speaker 6

the exact numbers and look at the cap rate. But overall, I mean, we're using

Speaker 4

the there's no significant change

Speaker 6

in the assumptions that we're making on our cap rate overall. I mean, the product mix is the same. Our discount rates and CPRs are pretty much aligned. So there's not big differences. I mean the numbers are slightly off from what you're calculating, so maybe that's what's driving some of the differences.

Speaker 9

Okay. We'll follow-up with that one on offline. But the question is this. So going forward, you're going your book is going to be your business is going to be a little bit different and that it's going to be increasingly driven by the recapture from the servicing book. And again, we've got an overall cap rate on that of 145 basis points, which suggests that when you recapture a loan, there is 145 basis point cost associated with the amortization of that, which will offset the gain on sale.

Speaker 9

I'm curious how we think about the economics. Did the loan officers get paid as much on a recapture? Or because it's easier for them and easier business for you, is there a compensation offset for them that diminishes that basically sort of mitigates the impact of that increased MSR amortization?

Speaker 2

If the loan is in our portfolio, we do have a different compensation structure for our loan officers. So the compensation is lower than a typical transaction that's not currently in our portfolio.

Speaker 9

Is it enough to offset the cost of the amortization? Or is that one of the reasons why you talk about ultimately sort of and again, higher volume, lower margin. So I'm not I just want to understand the dynamics here. Is that one of the reasons why you're talking about lower margins on a volume basis going forward because of the cost of that amortization?

Speaker 2

No, that was just due to in the past when we've had these refi if we're in a refi boom, all the aggregators seem to be adjusting their margins to get more revenue out of the transaction just because there's so much there's not enough capacity to get the loans through the system, so they want to slow the funnel down. And in this situation, I think everybody's scaled down and become a lot more efficient over the last 3 years that we probably won't And

Speaker 7

I

Speaker 9

And I apologize for asking so many questions, but it's probably the benefit of being at the end of the queue. The I guess what I'm really trying to understand is, are the unit economics on a recapture refi likely to be lower on an all in cost allocated basis than an external refi that your one of your officers goes out and sources away from the book?

Speaker 2

On a per loan basis, I would say if you're adding the amortization cost, it would be the net net, it would be less. But in the past, we've always captured more business on the origination side to make up for that in a dollars basis, you know what I mean? Understood.

Speaker 9

Yes. I mean, look, there are going to be 2 parts of the business. There's going to be the recapture and the new customer business. You're not going to just sit here presumably and do recapture. The officers have every incentive to go out and find additional customers away from the book.

Speaker 2

Correct. That's right.

Speaker 9

Okay. Got it. Thank you very much.

Speaker 6

I just wanted to jump in on the pull through adjusted lock volume question. Our rate that we publish is 88% of our is the rate that we use on to get from lock volume to pull through adjusted lock volume, which is in our Q.

Operator

Thank you. As there are no further questions, I would now like to hand the conference over to Teri Schmidt for closing

Speaker 4

remarks.

Speaker 2

I just wanted to say thank you for trusting us and we'll keep working on continuing to grow our platform and provide additional shareholder value as we move along and we'll see you next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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