NASDAQ:ACDC ProFrac Q2 2024 Earnings Report $4.89 +0.30 (+6.54%) Closing price 05/2/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$4.88 -0.01 (-0.20%) As of 05/2/2025 07:17 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast ProFrac EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.02Consensus EPS $0.14Beat/MissMissed by -$0.12One Year Ago EPSN/AProFrac Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$579.40 millionExpected Revenue$624.64 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$45.24 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AProFrac Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date8/9/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, August 8, 2024Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsProFrac's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, May 7, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 11:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by ProFrac Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 8, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00and welcome to the ProFac Holding Corp. 2nd Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Operator00:00:04All lines have been placed on a listen only mode and the floor will be open for questions and comments following the presentation. At this time, it is my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Michael Messina, Director of Finance. Sir, the floor is yours. Speaker 100:00:26Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for Pro Frac Holding Corp. Conference call and webcast to review our Q2 2024 results. With me today are Matt Wilkes, Executive Chairman Lad Wilkes, Chief Executive Officer and Austin Harbour, Chief Financial Officer. Speaker 100:00:45Following my remarks, management will provide high level commentary on the operational and financial highlights of the Q2 before opening the call up to your questions. There will be a replay of today's call available by webcast on the company's website atpfholdingscorp.com as well as a telephonic recording available until August 15, 2024. More information on how to access these replay features is included in the company's earnings release. Please note that information reported on this call speaks only as of today, August 8, 2024, and therefore, you are advised that any time sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the time of any replay listening or transcript reading. Also, comments on this call may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the United States Federal Securities Laws, including management's expectations of future financial and business performance. Speaker 100:01:49These forward looking statements reflect the current views of ProFrak's management and are not guarantees of future performance. Various risks, uncertainties and contingencies could cause actual results, performance or achievements to differ materially from those expressed in management's forward looking statements. The listener or reader is encouraged to read ProFrac's Form 10 ks and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which can be found at sec.gov or on the company's Investor Relations website section under the SEC Filings tab to understand those risks, uncertainties and contingencies. The comments today also include certain non GAAP financial measures as well as other adjusted figures to exclude the contribution of Flotek. Additional details and reconciliations to the most directly comparable consolidated and GAAP financial measures are included in the quarterly earnings press release, which can be found on the company's website. Speaker 100:02:56And now, I would like to turn the call over to ProFrac's Executive Chairman, Mr. Matt Wilkes. Speaker 200:03:03Thank you, Michael, and good morning, everyone. After my prepared remarks, Ladd will comment further on the performance of our subsidiaries and Austin will walk through our financial performance. In the Q2, we continued to set operating efficiency records delivering strong performance for our customers. We were able to achieve this performance despite the rollover of multiple fleets to new customers during the quarter, resulting in additional calendar white space. Overall, the market for our services has been challenged by operators having reduced drilling and completion activity, particularly in natural gas regions. Speaker 200:03:38However, we successfully executed our commercial strategy to partner with customers that value integrated solutions. As we've conveyed in prior quarters, we firmly believe that consolidation by upstream operators will benefit ProFrac. Larger operators driving consolidation prefer to collaborate with service companies that deliver efficiency at scale. Given Profrac's leading position throughout the completions value chain, we are able to take advantage of opportunities in a rapidly evolving marketplace. For example, the majority of our customers have completed a transaction in the last 2 years. Speaker 200:04:14Additionally, we successfully increased market share in our largest operating region, West Texas, which has witnessed material operator consolidation post COVID and is the leading U. S. Land market for unconventional completions activity and spending. In the Q2, we generated $136,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA on $579,000,000 of revenue. Of note, we generated $74,000,000 in free cash flow in the 2nd quarter. Speaker 200:04:42These results illustrate that at scale, Pro Frac is built to navigate market headwinds while generating free cash flow. Furthermore, our recent efforts to align with customers that prefer integrated offerings should enable ProFrac to continue to take advantage of opportunities through the cycle. Our performance in the second quarter is underpinned by record setting efficiency per active fleet, a direct result of our team's successful execution in the field. Additionally, Profrag's internal manufacturing and service capabilities enable us to rapidly repair, maintain, upgrade and redeploy fleets. We believe that in basin scale, particularly in the most active basins, is a critical differentiating factor for ProFrac. Speaker 200:05:28We not only continued to invest in oil weighted regions, but also purposely maintained our positions in gas weighted markets. This strategy enables us to strengthen our customer relationships with operators based on a track record of delivering service quality and operational performance. Further, we believe we will benefit from increased levels of activity as the recovery in natural gas basins materializes. In mid June, we executed on an opportunity to strategically add scale at an attractive entry point through the acquisition of Advanced Stimulation Technologies or AST. Importantly, AST enhances Prophrac's earnings profile and improves our market position in the most active region in the Lower 48. Speaker 200:06:16AST's core values of best in class service and efficiency align extremely well with Profrac's culture. Looking forward, we will continue to invest in next generation equipment that enables diesel substitution, utilizing natural gas as the primary fuel source. Demand for our e fleets and our dual fuel or dynamic gas blending assets remains strong and we continue to make progress on fleet deployments. Today, 70% of our active fleets include eFleet or natural gas capable equipment. Our ability to provide customers with significant fuel savings, high reliability and efficient operations have made our next generation assets highly sought after and a critical part of our service offerings. Speaker 200:07:06In line with our vertically integrated customer centric strategy, we are actively evaluating alternatives related to power generation. There has been a significant surge in demand for power generation across a number of end markets, driven at least in part by grid constraints and failures, AI driven computing power requirements and broader industrial scale electrification trends. In particular, our customers are increasingly requiring solutions that enable diesel substitution coupled with on demand power generation at the wellhead. As a leader in next generation eFleets and diesel substitution solutions, we are well positioned to organically diversify to provide power generation. Turning to Alpine. Speaker 200:07:54Weakness in natural gas regions and general activity softness impacted our results. Although volumes and pricing were negatively impacted during the 2nd quarter and into the Q3, we are encouraged by the recent uptick in commercial opportunities and potential additional volumes that could materialize as we move through Q3. As a company, we continue to make progress on our priorities and I'm proud of our team's execution and commitment to excellence. In summary, we continue to fill new inbound requests for additional integrated fleet deployments with the highest demand for electric and Tier 4 dual fuel or DGB technologies. And as of today, approximately 70% of our active fleets utilize next generation technology. Speaker 200:08:44We achieved the new record for efficiencies based on pump hours per active fleet, a testament to best in class execution by our employees in the field and in our repair and maintenance and manufacturing capabilities. Although we witnessed a slight decrease in overall utilization during the Q2, we expect continued improvement in efficiencies as we progress through the Q3. Strengthened by our vertically integrated model, we generated $74,000,000 of free cash flow despite market headwinds. We increased in basin scale in the most active region for completions in the Lower forty eight, West Texas, through both organic and inorganic investments. We improved alignment with operators driving consolidation. Speaker 200:09:29The majority of our customers have executed M and A. We have positioned ProFrac to deliver long term value for our stakeholders by delivering the most efficient solutions through vertically integrated in basin scaled offerings, best in class service and the relentless focus on free cash flow generation through the cycle. With that, I'll turn the call over to Ladd. Speaker 300:09:53Thanks, Matt. I'll begin with an overview of our performance in each segment, starting with pressure pumping. I'm proud to report we achieved another record quarter for efficiency despite a challenging market, making this once again the most efficient quarter in ProFrac's history. This is the 2nd consecutive quarter in which ProFrac achieved records for pumping hours, pumping hours per fleet and pumping hours per day for active fleets. ProFrac's best performing fleets exceeded 600 hours per month. Speaker 300:10:24Our ability to provide best in class service is a direct result of the operational improvements we've made internally and the emphasis we placed on our commercial strategy. In particular, we are strategically invested both organically and inorganically to expand in basin scale in West Texas, our largest region and the most active region for completions in U. S. Land. Due to weakness in natural gas prices and the completion of several programs early in the quarter, we experienced an average active fleet count that was relatively in line with the Q1 and lower than our expectations. Speaker 300:11:05These delays were felt across the industry as operators reevaluated planned activity and spending as evidenced by the 6 percent decline in the horizontal rig count during the quarter. Our profit segment was also impacted by weaker than anticipated gas related activity. However, we took action to manage our costs and work to replace volumes with spot opportunities. Prolonged headwinds in natural gas regions have continued into early Q3, but we believe that volumes have now troughed and anticipate a recovery as we progress through the quarter. In recent months, we have implemented a number of initiatives aimed at improving utilization and profitability of our mines. Speaker 300:11:50These include idling our mine in Maryville, Louisiana, making targeted reductions in headcount and continuing to deploy automation across our mines with the goal of increasing operating leverage. In summary, Alpine is positioned to produce higher throughput, higher utilization and lower cost per ton as market fundamentals improve. I'd like to reiterate that at scale, we believe we have the lowest cost in the industry. We have a bespoke vertically integrated platform that benefits from higher absorption as we increase activity. Leveraging in basin scale and integrated offerings coupled with best in class service, enables us to drive higher operating leverage and to partner with operators to deliver efficiencies while generating free cash flow. Speaker 300:12:42This is precisely what ProFrac is built for. I want to thank our outstanding team for their hard work, dedication and commitment to safety. We have the best team in the industry and their focus on executing our differentiated strategy makes it possible for ProFrak to succeed every day. I'll now hand the call over to our new CFO, Austin Harbor, to cover financial results in more detail. We're excited to have Austin join the team at ProFrac. Speaker 300:13:12His extensive knowledge of the industry and financial expertise have strengthened ProFrac's team. We look forward to his contributions as we execute our strategy and capitalize on future opportunities. Austin, take it away. Speaker 400:13:26Thank you for the kind words, Ladd. It's an honor to join the team. I believe the potential for value creation is significant at ProFrac. I look forward to contributing to the team while maximizing value for stakeholders. With respect to our 2nd quarter results, revenues were flat sequentially at $579,000,000 We generated $136,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 23%. Speaker 400:13:542nd quarter adjusted EBITDA represents a 15% decline relative to the 1st quarter. Margins were negatively impacted by a decrease in average active fleets, weaker pricing and lower relative cost absorption. Although adjusted EBITDA declined, ProFrac generated free cash flow of $74,000,000 demonstrating our ability to successfully navigate ebbs and flows and activity. We utilize cash to invest in our fleet, particularly next generation technologies, sand mine improvements, strategic acquisitions and for debt service obligations. Turning to our segments, stimulation services revenues were $506,000,000 in the 2nd quarter, in line with the Q1. Speaker 400:14:39Average active fleet count and pricing on equipment and materials witnessed marginal decreases versus the Q1 due to intra quarter rollover of customers and increased white space. Adjusted EBITDA was $107,000,000 for the 2nd quarter, a decline of approximately 14% versus Q1. Margins declined by approximately 300 basis points as prudent cost management partially offset the impact of reduced pricing and activity. This segment was impacted by approximately $8,000,000 in shortfall expense related to our supply agreement with Flotek in line with the prior quarter. Despite the sequential decline in stimulation services results, our commercial and operational strategies coupled with our cost structure enabled us to generate free cash flow. Speaker 400:15:28Of note, we achieved mid teens EBITDA per fleet and allocated capital to maintain and upgrade our fleet. The profit production segment generated $70,000,000 of revenue quarter, inclusive of the amortization of acquired contract liabilities of $11,000,000 representing an 11% sequential decline. Revenue was negatively impacted by a decrease in pricing coupled with a minimal reduction in volumes. Activity in natural gas basins remained subdued and the market in West Texas remains highly competitive. We executed on initiatives to reduce both capital expenditures and fixed operating costs, including the idling of 1 mine. Speaker 400:16:08Our rapid cost reduction initiatives enabled us to partially mitigate the impact of lower cost absorption. Approximately 75% of volumes were sold to 3rd party customers during the Q2 as we executed on our strategy to diversify exposure. Adjusted EBITDA for the profit production segment totaled $26,000,000 for the 2nd quarter, representing a 10% sequential decrease. Adjusted EBITDA margins were flat quarter over quarter at approximately 37%. Activity declines witnessed in late second quarter subsisted into early Q3. Speaker 400:16:44We are beginning to see improved commercial opportunities and anticipate that this segment will witness a recovery in volumes as we progress through the quarter, although pricing remains competitive. The Manufacturing segment generated 2nd quarter revenues of $56,000,000 up approximately 29% from the Q1. Approximately 74% of segment revenues were generated via intercompany sales. The increase in sales in the 2nd quarter was a result of hours pumped and engine upgrades at Stimulation Services. Adjusted EBITDA for the manufacturing segment was approximately $100,000 for the 2nd quarter, a sequential decline of 4,300,000 dollars Lower pricing enacted early in the 2nd quarter coupled with flat production costs from legacy inventory drove the majority of the decline in adjusted EBITDA. Speaker 400:17:34Selling, general and administrative expenses were $54,000,000 in the 2nd quarter compared to $51,000,000 in the 1st quarter. The increase was primarily driven by stock based compensation. Cash capital expenditures totaled approximately $62,000,000 in the 2nd quarter, approximately flat from the prior quarter. In addition to activity driven maintenance, we invested in next generation equipment, including but not limited to dual fuel engines, e fleets and mine upgrades at Alpine. Just as we acted swiftly to right size our spending levels in recent quarters to more accurately reflect demand, we are actively evaluating capital expenditure and capital allocation plans. Speaker 400:18:16As a result, we now expect to incur total capital expenditures during 2024 that are closer to the lower end of our previous guidance. We anticipate spending between $150,000,000 $200,000,000 in maintenance capital expenditures for the year, along with approximately 100,000,000 dollars on growth related CapEx. Additionally, we are executing on cost reduction initiatives with the goal of decreasing operating expenses at our subsidiaries as well as at the corporate level. Total cash and cash equivalents as of June 30 were 24,000,000 dollars including $5,000,000 attributable to Flotek. Total liquidity at quarter end was approximately $161,000,000 including $142,000,000 available under the ABL. Speaker 400:19:03Borrowings under the ABL credit facility ended the quarter in $150,000,000 up approximately $12,000,000 from the prior quarter. At the end of the second quarter, we had approximately $1,200,000,000 of debt outstanding and increased sequentially related to the senior secured floating rate notes issued in connection with the acquisition of AST in June. The majority of our debt does not mature until January 2029. We intend to utilize free cash flow in future periods to deleverage. We look forward to continuing to execute on our strategic priorities, partnering with customers to provide best in class integrated solutions, increasing efficiencies across the organization and generating free cash flow through the cycle. Speaker 400:19:49That concludes our formal remarks. Operator, please open the line for questions. Operator00:19:56Thank And our first question comes from Steven Jagaro from Stifel. Go ahead, Steven. Speaker 500:20:17Thanks. Good morning, everybody. Speaker 600:20:20Good morning. Speaker 500:20:22Two questions for me. One's a bigger picture, one's probably more specific. But the first one I had was when you think about your competitive advantage and kind of what drives competitive advantage at the well site? I mean one of them I think is the assets, right? One of them is the integration. Speaker 500:20:38But as the industry kind of evolves into more people having similar type assets at least, how do you hold the competitive advantage 2, 3 years out as sort of equipment normalizes, if that's a reasonable assumption? Speaker 600:21:00There's a lot to that question. So I mean essentially your next gen fuel efficient fleets are in high demand and that definitely provides a huge competitive advantage. But when we look at the competitive landscape and who can more people with those types of assets or more of those assets out there, it's all consolidated within a smaller and smaller group. It's difficult to go from Tier 2 diesel and upgrade in this environment. So we're not too concerned. Speaker 600:21:43We love competition. We're happy with the smaller group having the same similar assets. But I think it reinforces our overall strategy. And what we really focus on is I don't think it's good for the industry to have a competitor to come in and fail with a new technology. It really diminishes the entire category and it can take a little bit to get that customer to try the technology again. Speaker 600:22:15I like the fact that our largest 3 or 4 competitors are doing a relatively good job with newer technologies. But as far as our competitive advantage, I think the competitive advantage really comes from not just overall technology offerings, but the fully integrated approach from controls and really focusing on providing solutions and making it as easy as possible for our customers to complete wells. Speaker 500:22:47Okay. Thank you. And then when we think about the second half of this year, can you give us any color on how we should be thinking about pricing and profitability per fleet as we just think about the back half of this year? Speaker 600:23:08We expect it to be relatively flat. Of course, we watch the overall market. Our main focus is on what we can control, the overall macro environment, geopolitical risks, things like that. Those are always an element, but you can't plan a business around any of those items. We're managing this business in a flat profile and focusing on the things that we can control from a cost structure, inventory management and really managing the market we have now. Speaker 600:23:41And that's along with the cyclical nature throughout the year that we're faced with. Speaker 500:23:52Okay. Thank you for the color. Operator00:23:57Thank you. And our next question comes from Dan Kutz from Morgan Stanley. Go ahead. Speaker 700:24:05Hey, thanks. Good morning. Maybe if I could just put a or comment the second half and third quarter question from a different angle. If we kind of think about some of the puts and takes that you guys disclosed in the prepared remarks and in the press release, kind of flat stimulation services pricing, some room for kind of cost based profitability per fleet improvement, some inbound for additional integrated fleet deployments and then kind of some puts and takes in proppant production, but that sounds like that might be down a little bit in the Q3. But if we think about the Q2 result, my takeaway from those comments would be that the Q3 EBITDA can be growing. Speaker 700:24:54Do you think that's fair? And if so, is there anything you could share on the magnitude of potential growth in the Q3? Thanks. Speaker 600:25:04Yes. There's certainly the potential, but what we're focused on right now is going in and executing on the integrated model, growing that side of the portfolio and working with a relatively flat market, managing costs, managing working capital and inventory. And I think we can generate some respectable results. But we're also looking at the overall customer mix and making sure that we provide all of our customers incredible service. And but I definitely think that there's a tremendous opportunity to grow it. Speaker 600:25:49But what we're looking at and managing around is a flat market with growth and opportunity coming from the things we can control. Speaker 700:26:04Yes, understood. That makes a lot of sense. And then if I could just ask on the AST acquisition. So, and you guys already kind of elaborated on the strategic rationale in the prepared remarks, but I guess you guys have consistently communicated the acquire, retire, replace strategy. This fits into that strategy. Speaker 700:26:22But more recently, I guess, presumably, you have some idle fleets and delevering has moved up on the capital allocation priority list. So just in light of those two factors, just wondering if you could expand on the strategic rationale for the AST acquisition? Thank you. Speaker 600:26:42Certainly, this was an asset that came at a great value, a great price and credible asset base and workforce and a great reputation in West Texas. I think it complements our portfolio out there really, really well with really high quality customers attached to it. The quality of the fleet was certainly of high quality. It does complement our acquire, retire, replace. It's not particularly reflected in our Q2 numbers to the level that we would want it to be as we only had just over a couple of weeks in June that our numbers were complemented by. Speaker 600:27:35So look forward to having a full quarter with it and many years beyond having that package added to our profile. Speaker 700:27:48Great. Thanks a lot. Appreciate that color. I'll turn it back. Speaker 400:27:53Thank you. Operator00:27:58Our next question comes from Sarabra Papp from Bank of America. Go ahead. Speaker 800:28:05Hi, good morning, Matt and Lad. Maybe I'll start with a question on the gas side of things. I know you guys have an outsized exposure relative to your peers on the gas side of things. Maybe you can talk a little bit to your outlook for the balance of the year on the gas activity side. Do things get worse before they get better? Speaker 800:28:22Because listening to the E and P calls this season, it sounds like there is some risk of more activity curtailment in the very near term. Speaker 600:28:32Yes. I mean, we're cautiously optimistic about the gas markets going into the back half of the year. But look, we're not guiding towards it. We're in constant conversations with customers and we're seeing opportunities coming with it. But in Q2, we certainly had an impact from gas market slowing down faster than we expected them to. Speaker 600:29:00But rather than getting all bold up and overly excited about a bounce back, we're planning our business for a flat environment from here, working with customers that seem to be readying for some additional activity. But we're letting them manage the macro environment and we're managing our costs, managing our business in a very disciplined way. And what I will say is when we see a when we do see a recovery in the gas markets and activity pick up with it, you're going to see a very substantial impact on our performance. And so we're really looking to those gas markets to come back and activity to come with it. And we'll be in a position to show the full effect of our integrated model. Speaker 800:29:56Right. No, absolutely, Matt. I know you got more leverage to the gas markets than many of your peers, so that makes sense. And then one clarification, I know you don't talk about absolute fleet count, but I think Austin you had in your prepared remarks that I think you said annualized EBITDA per fleet in the quarter was around mid teens. So if I try to do that math, it sounds like you would have had maybe 30 or slightly less than 30 fleets in the Q2. Speaker 800:30:21First thing, am I roughly doing that math right? And then just on that fleet count side of things, how should we think about where things go in the back half of the year? Speaker 400:30:31Yes. I think you're thinking about it kind of in between the right and the fairway on that. I think as we look going forward, right, we're managing to the things that we can control. As you think about fleet count and you think about the opportunity set we have, I think there are absolutely opportunities for us to improve on the numbers that you laid out. I think equally as importantly, there are more opportunities for us to focus on efficiencies from the cost perspective in addition to efficiencies with specific customers that we have in the portfolio today. Speaker 400:31:14And so I think going forward that kind of mid teens EBITDA number should ring true. Speaker 800:31:22Okay, fantastic. Now I know the RFP season is coming up, so you will have more opportunities to get volumes, but again, it's more about profitability. So I appreciate that. Okay, guys. Thank you. Speaker 800:31:32I'll turn it back. Speaker 600:31:35Thank you. Operator00:31:37Thank you. And our next question comes from John Daniel from Daniel Energy Partners. Go ahead, John. Your line is open. Thanks. Speaker 900:31:45Thank you for including me. Matt, I know the market is tough right now, but it seems like pumping hours per day keep grinding higher each quarter. And at the same time, E and P companies often, well, they don't often, it's like almost always are citing the virtues of their D and C efficiency gains. And just makes you wonder like if you looked at your very best fleets today and maybe as you approach 25 during RFP season, could you rate do you think you could raise rates on those fleets? Do you think the customers would take it to maintain that efficiency or would they risk that efficiency and go lower price? Speaker 600:32:26Yes, I think that's a difficult question for a lot of reasons. We would always look to get paid more, but I think focusing on the overall relationship with the customers is the most important thing. When we look at our ability to get higher and higher efficiencies, that comes from a partnership and a customer who's focused on its efficiencies as much as you are. And in good markets, a rising tide lifts all boats. But in markets like this, we get our margin from efficiencies and stability and a great relationship and partnership with the customers you're working with. Speaker 600:33:05So that's really where we're looking for margin expansion is through things we can control from cost rationalization, inventory rationalization and grinding out the value from operating leverage. And so that's what we're focused on. If a better market comes along and lifts all boats, then ours will be lifted with it. Speaker 900:33:31Fair enough. And then as you look at like the mines that were idled or the mine that was idled and try to fast forward 4 to 5 quarter, Shamal, in the hopes of higher activity, would you be inclined to reactivate it in anticipation of higher activity? Or would you wait until your other stuff is sold out, pricing has gone up to reactivate it? Just any thoughts on how you would go about that process? Speaker 600:33:55Yes. The mine that we idled was logistically a little bit out of pretty good ways outside of the really the outer bounds of the Haynesville. There was one customer that was in close enough proximity to it. One of the things we like about that particular asset is that it has some industrial opportunities. So regardless of what gas markets do on that particular mine, we may find some industrial opportunities that would warrant us to kick that back on. Speaker 600:34:33And that's probably the most likely outcome even if we did see a gas recovery. That's just a better use case for that asset. But the other three mines that we have in that basin have tremendous logistics advantages. And that's why even in this environment, we've been able to keep those. Speaker 900:35:02Perfect. Okay. That's all I've got. Thank you for letting me ask some questions. Speaker 600:35:06Definitely. Thank you. Operator00:35:09Thank you. This does conclude our question and answer session today. I would now like to turn it back to Matt Wilkes for any closing remarks. Speaker 600:35:19Definitely, we thank everybody for joining this morning. We look forward to Q3 and the remainder of the year. We've got a lot of great things going on at ProFrac, really proud of our team. As we look forward, we're really excited to be focusing on our operating leverage, our integrated model and the managing of cost controls and inventory management. We're excited about what we'll be able to do with that. Speaker 600:35:46And with the market recovery, maybe we'll get some top line growth. But right now, this is all about cost rationalization and expansion of margin through execution. We appreciate everybody joining our call today. And thank you. Operator00:36:05Thank you. This does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation. 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There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00and welcome to the ProFac Holding Corp. 2nd Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Operator00:00:04All lines have been placed on a listen only mode and the floor will be open for questions and comments following the presentation. At this time, it is my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Michael Messina, Director of Finance. Sir, the floor is yours. Speaker 100:00:26Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for Pro Frac Holding Corp. Conference call and webcast to review our Q2 2024 results. With me today are Matt Wilkes, Executive Chairman Lad Wilkes, Chief Executive Officer and Austin Harbour, Chief Financial Officer. Speaker 100:00:45Following my remarks, management will provide high level commentary on the operational and financial highlights of the Q2 before opening the call up to your questions. There will be a replay of today's call available by webcast on the company's website atpfholdingscorp.com as well as a telephonic recording available until August 15, 2024. More information on how to access these replay features is included in the company's earnings release. Please note that information reported on this call speaks only as of today, August 8, 2024, and therefore, you are advised that any time sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the time of any replay listening or transcript reading. Also, comments on this call may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the United States Federal Securities Laws, including management's expectations of future financial and business performance. Speaker 100:01:49These forward looking statements reflect the current views of ProFrak's management and are not guarantees of future performance. Various risks, uncertainties and contingencies could cause actual results, performance or achievements to differ materially from those expressed in management's forward looking statements. The listener or reader is encouraged to read ProFrac's Form 10 ks and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which can be found at sec.gov or on the company's Investor Relations website section under the SEC Filings tab to understand those risks, uncertainties and contingencies. The comments today also include certain non GAAP financial measures as well as other adjusted figures to exclude the contribution of Flotek. Additional details and reconciliations to the most directly comparable consolidated and GAAP financial measures are included in the quarterly earnings press release, which can be found on the company's website. Speaker 100:02:56And now, I would like to turn the call over to ProFrac's Executive Chairman, Mr. Matt Wilkes. Speaker 200:03:03Thank you, Michael, and good morning, everyone. After my prepared remarks, Ladd will comment further on the performance of our subsidiaries and Austin will walk through our financial performance. In the Q2, we continued to set operating efficiency records delivering strong performance for our customers. We were able to achieve this performance despite the rollover of multiple fleets to new customers during the quarter, resulting in additional calendar white space. Overall, the market for our services has been challenged by operators having reduced drilling and completion activity, particularly in natural gas regions. Speaker 200:03:38However, we successfully executed our commercial strategy to partner with customers that value integrated solutions. As we've conveyed in prior quarters, we firmly believe that consolidation by upstream operators will benefit ProFrac. Larger operators driving consolidation prefer to collaborate with service companies that deliver efficiency at scale. Given Profrac's leading position throughout the completions value chain, we are able to take advantage of opportunities in a rapidly evolving marketplace. For example, the majority of our customers have completed a transaction in the last 2 years. Speaker 200:04:14Additionally, we successfully increased market share in our largest operating region, West Texas, which has witnessed material operator consolidation post COVID and is the leading U. S. Land market for unconventional completions activity and spending. In the Q2, we generated $136,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA on $579,000,000 of revenue. Of note, we generated $74,000,000 in free cash flow in the 2nd quarter. Speaker 200:04:42These results illustrate that at scale, Pro Frac is built to navigate market headwinds while generating free cash flow. Furthermore, our recent efforts to align with customers that prefer integrated offerings should enable ProFrac to continue to take advantage of opportunities through the cycle. Our performance in the second quarter is underpinned by record setting efficiency per active fleet, a direct result of our team's successful execution in the field. Additionally, Profrag's internal manufacturing and service capabilities enable us to rapidly repair, maintain, upgrade and redeploy fleets. We believe that in basin scale, particularly in the most active basins, is a critical differentiating factor for ProFrac. Speaker 200:05:28We not only continued to invest in oil weighted regions, but also purposely maintained our positions in gas weighted markets. This strategy enables us to strengthen our customer relationships with operators based on a track record of delivering service quality and operational performance. Further, we believe we will benefit from increased levels of activity as the recovery in natural gas basins materializes. In mid June, we executed on an opportunity to strategically add scale at an attractive entry point through the acquisition of Advanced Stimulation Technologies or AST. Importantly, AST enhances Prophrac's earnings profile and improves our market position in the most active region in the Lower 48. Speaker 200:06:16AST's core values of best in class service and efficiency align extremely well with Profrac's culture. Looking forward, we will continue to invest in next generation equipment that enables diesel substitution, utilizing natural gas as the primary fuel source. Demand for our e fleets and our dual fuel or dynamic gas blending assets remains strong and we continue to make progress on fleet deployments. Today, 70% of our active fleets include eFleet or natural gas capable equipment. Our ability to provide customers with significant fuel savings, high reliability and efficient operations have made our next generation assets highly sought after and a critical part of our service offerings. Speaker 200:07:06In line with our vertically integrated customer centric strategy, we are actively evaluating alternatives related to power generation. There has been a significant surge in demand for power generation across a number of end markets, driven at least in part by grid constraints and failures, AI driven computing power requirements and broader industrial scale electrification trends. In particular, our customers are increasingly requiring solutions that enable diesel substitution coupled with on demand power generation at the wellhead. As a leader in next generation eFleets and diesel substitution solutions, we are well positioned to organically diversify to provide power generation. Turning to Alpine. Speaker 200:07:54Weakness in natural gas regions and general activity softness impacted our results. Although volumes and pricing were negatively impacted during the 2nd quarter and into the Q3, we are encouraged by the recent uptick in commercial opportunities and potential additional volumes that could materialize as we move through Q3. As a company, we continue to make progress on our priorities and I'm proud of our team's execution and commitment to excellence. In summary, we continue to fill new inbound requests for additional integrated fleet deployments with the highest demand for electric and Tier 4 dual fuel or DGB technologies. And as of today, approximately 70% of our active fleets utilize next generation technology. Speaker 200:08:44We achieved the new record for efficiencies based on pump hours per active fleet, a testament to best in class execution by our employees in the field and in our repair and maintenance and manufacturing capabilities. Although we witnessed a slight decrease in overall utilization during the Q2, we expect continued improvement in efficiencies as we progress through the Q3. Strengthened by our vertically integrated model, we generated $74,000,000 of free cash flow despite market headwinds. We increased in basin scale in the most active region for completions in the Lower forty eight, West Texas, through both organic and inorganic investments. We improved alignment with operators driving consolidation. Speaker 200:09:29The majority of our customers have executed M and A. We have positioned ProFrac to deliver long term value for our stakeholders by delivering the most efficient solutions through vertically integrated in basin scaled offerings, best in class service and the relentless focus on free cash flow generation through the cycle. With that, I'll turn the call over to Ladd. Speaker 300:09:53Thanks, Matt. I'll begin with an overview of our performance in each segment, starting with pressure pumping. I'm proud to report we achieved another record quarter for efficiency despite a challenging market, making this once again the most efficient quarter in ProFrac's history. This is the 2nd consecutive quarter in which ProFrac achieved records for pumping hours, pumping hours per fleet and pumping hours per day for active fleets. ProFrac's best performing fleets exceeded 600 hours per month. Speaker 300:10:24Our ability to provide best in class service is a direct result of the operational improvements we've made internally and the emphasis we placed on our commercial strategy. In particular, we are strategically invested both organically and inorganically to expand in basin scale in West Texas, our largest region and the most active region for completions in U. S. Land. Due to weakness in natural gas prices and the completion of several programs early in the quarter, we experienced an average active fleet count that was relatively in line with the Q1 and lower than our expectations. Speaker 300:11:05These delays were felt across the industry as operators reevaluated planned activity and spending as evidenced by the 6 percent decline in the horizontal rig count during the quarter. Our profit segment was also impacted by weaker than anticipated gas related activity. However, we took action to manage our costs and work to replace volumes with spot opportunities. Prolonged headwinds in natural gas regions have continued into early Q3, but we believe that volumes have now troughed and anticipate a recovery as we progress through the quarter. In recent months, we have implemented a number of initiatives aimed at improving utilization and profitability of our mines. Speaker 300:11:50These include idling our mine in Maryville, Louisiana, making targeted reductions in headcount and continuing to deploy automation across our mines with the goal of increasing operating leverage. In summary, Alpine is positioned to produce higher throughput, higher utilization and lower cost per ton as market fundamentals improve. I'd like to reiterate that at scale, we believe we have the lowest cost in the industry. We have a bespoke vertically integrated platform that benefits from higher absorption as we increase activity. Leveraging in basin scale and integrated offerings coupled with best in class service, enables us to drive higher operating leverage and to partner with operators to deliver efficiencies while generating free cash flow. Speaker 300:12:42This is precisely what ProFrac is built for. I want to thank our outstanding team for their hard work, dedication and commitment to safety. We have the best team in the industry and their focus on executing our differentiated strategy makes it possible for ProFrak to succeed every day. I'll now hand the call over to our new CFO, Austin Harbor, to cover financial results in more detail. We're excited to have Austin join the team at ProFrac. Speaker 300:13:12His extensive knowledge of the industry and financial expertise have strengthened ProFrac's team. We look forward to his contributions as we execute our strategy and capitalize on future opportunities. Austin, take it away. Speaker 400:13:26Thank you for the kind words, Ladd. It's an honor to join the team. I believe the potential for value creation is significant at ProFrac. I look forward to contributing to the team while maximizing value for stakeholders. With respect to our 2nd quarter results, revenues were flat sequentially at $579,000,000 We generated $136,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 23%. Speaker 400:13:542nd quarter adjusted EBITDA represents a 15% decline relative to the 1st quarter. Margins were negatively impacted by a decrease in average active fleets, weaker pricing and lower relative cost absorption. Although adjusted EBITDA declined, ProFrac generated free cash flow of $74,000,000 demonstrating our ability to successfully navigate ebbs and flows and activity. We utilize cash to invest in our fleet, particularly next generation technologies, sand mine improvements, strategic acquisitions and for debt service obligations. Turning to our segments, stimulation services revenues were $506,000,000 in the 2nd quarter, in line with the Q1. Speaker 400:14:39Average active fleet count and pricing on equipment and materials witnessed marginal decreases versus the Q1 due to intra quarter rollover of customers and increased white space. Adjusted EBITDA was $107,000,000 for the 2nd quarter, a decline of approximately 14% versus Q1. Margins declined by approximately 300 basis points as prudent cost management partially offset the impact of reduced pricing and activity. This segment was impacted by approximately $8,000,000 in shortfall expense related to our supply agreement with Flotek in line with the prior quarter. Despite the sequential decline in stimulation services results, our commercial and operational strategies coupled with our cost structure enabled us to generate free cash flow. Speaker 400:15:28Of note, we achieved mid teens EBITDA per fleet and allocated capital to maintain and upgrade our fleet. The profit production segment generated $70,000,000 of revenue quarter, inclusive of the amortization of acquired contract liabilities of $11,000,000 representing an 11% sequential decline. Revenue was negatively impacted by a decrease in pricing coupled with a minimal reduction in volumes. Activity in natural gas basins remained subdued and the market in West Texas remains highly competitive. We executed on initiatives to reduce both capital expenditures and fixed operating costs, including the idling of 1 mine. Speaker 400:16:08Our rapid cost reduction initiatives enabled us to partially mitigate the impact of lower cost absorption. Approximately 75% of volumes were sold to 3rd party customers during the Q2 as we executed on our strategy to diversify exposure. Adjusted EBITDA for the profit production segment totaled $26,000,000 for the 2nd quarter, representing a 10% sequential decrease. Adjusted EBITDA margins were flat quarter over quarter at approximately 37%. Activity declines witnessed in late second quarter subsisted into early Q3. Speaker 400:16:44We are beginning to see improved commercial opportunities and anticipate that this segment will witness a recovery in volumes as we progress through the quarter, although pricing remains competitive. The Manufacturing segment generated 2nd quarter revenues of $56,000,000 up approximately 29% from the Q1. Approximately 74% of segment revenues were generated via intercompany sales. The increase in sales in the 2nd quarter was a result of hours pumped and engine upgrades at Stimulation Services. Adjusted EBITDA for the manufacturing segment was approximately $100,000 for the 2nd quarter, a sequential decline of 4,300,000 dollars Lower pricing enacted early in the 2nd quarter coupled with flat production costs from legacy inventory drove the majority of the decline in adjusted EBITDA. Speaker 400:17:34Selling, general and administrative expenses were $54,000,000 in the 2nd quarter compared to $51,000,000 in the 1st quarter. The increase was primarily driven by stock based compensation. Cash capital expenditures totaled approximately $62,000,000 in the 2nd quarter, approximately flat from the prior quarter. In addition to activity driven maintenance, we invested in next generation equipment, including but not limited to dual fuel engines, e fleets and mine upgrades at Alpine. Just as we acted swiftly to right size our spending levels in recent quarters to more accurately reflect demand, we are actively evaluating capital expenditure and capital allocation plans. Speaker 400:18:16As a result, we now expect to incur total capital expenditures during 2024 that are closer to the lower end of our previous guidance. We anticipate spending between $150,000,000 $200,000,000 in maintenance capital expenditures for the year, along with approximately 100,000,000 dollars on growth related CapEx. Additionally, we are executing on cost reduction initiatives with the goal of decreasing operating expenses at our subsidiaries as well as at the corporate level. Total cash and cash equivalents as of June 30 were 24,000,000 dollars including $5,000,000 attributable to Flotek. Total liquidity at quarter end was approximately $161,000,000 including $142,000,000 available under the ABL. Speaker 400:19:03Borrowings under the ABL credit facility ended the quarter in $150,000,000 up approximately $12,000,000 from the prior quarter. At the end of the second quarter, we had approximately $1,200,000,000 of debt outstanding and increased sequentially related to the senior secured floating rate notes issued in connection with the acquisition of AST in June. The majority of our debt does not mature until January 2029. We intend to utilize free cash flow in future periods to deleverage. We look forward to continuing to execute on our strategic priorities, partnering with customers to provide best in class integrated solutions, increasing efficiencies across the organization and generating free cash flow through the cycle. Speaker 400:19:49That concludes our formal remarks. Operator, please open the line for questions. Operator00:19:56Thank And our first question comes from Steven Jagaro from Stifel. Go ahead, Steven. Speaker 500:20:17Thanks. Good morning, everybody. Speaker 600:20:20Good morning. Speaker 500:20:22Two questions for me. One's a bigger picture, one's probably more specific. But the first one I had was when you think about your competitive advantage and kind of what drives competitive advantage at the well site? I mean one of them I think is the assets, right? One of them is the integration. Speaker 500:20:38But as the industry kind of evolves into more people having similar type assets at least, how do you hold the competitive advantage 2, 3 years out as sort of equipment normalizes, if that's a reasonable assumption? Speaker 600:21:00There's a lot to that question. So I mean essentially your next gen fuel efficient fleets are in high demand and that definitely provides a huge competitive advantage. But when we look at the competitive landscape and who can more people with those types of assets or more of those assets out there, it's all consolidated within a smaller and smaller group. It's difficult to go from Tier 2 diesel and upgrade in this environment. So we're not too concerned. Speaker 600:21:43We love competition. We're happy with the smaller group having the same similar assets. But I think it reinforces our overall strategy. And what we really focus on is I don't think it's good for the industry to have a competitor to come in and fail with a new technology. It really diminishes the entire category and it can take a little bit to get that customer to try the technology again. Speaker 600:22:15I like the fact that our largest 3 or 4 competitors are doing a relatively good job with newer technologies. But as far as our competitive advantage, I think the competitive advantage really comes from not just overall technology offerings, but the fully integrated approach from controls and really focusing on providing solutions and making it as easy as possible for our customers to complete wells. Speaker 500:22:47Okay. Thank you. And then when we think about the second half of this year, can you give us any color on how we should be thinking about pricing and profitability per fleet as we just think about the back half of this year? Speaker 600:23:08We expect it to be relatively flat. Of course, we watch the overall market. Our main focus is on what we can control, the overall macro environment, geopolitical risks, things like that. Those are always an element, but you can't plan a business around any of those items. We're managing this business in a flat profile and focusing on the things that we can control from a cost structure, inventory management and really managing the market we have now. Speaker 600:23:41And that's along with the cyclical nature throughout the year that we're faced with. Speaker 500:23:52Okay. Thank you for the color. Operator00:23:57Thank you. And our next question comes from Dan Kutz from Morgan Stanley. Go ahead. Speaker 700:24:05Hey, thanks. Good morning. Maybe if I could just put a or comment the second half and third quarter question from a different angle. If we kind of think about some of the puts and takes that you guys disclosed in the prepared remarks and in the press release, kind of flat stimulation services pricing, some room for kind of cost based profitability per fleet improvement, some inbound for additional integrated fleet deployments and then kind of some puts and takes in proppant production, but that sounds like that might be down a little bit in the Q3. But if we think about the Q2 result, my takeaway from those comments would be that the Q3 EBITDA can be growing. Speaker 700:24:54Do you think that's fair? And if so, is there anything you could share on the magnitude of potential growth in the Q3? Thanks. Speaker 600:25:04Yes. There's certainly the potential, but what we're focused on right now is going in and executing on the integrated model, growing that side of the portfolio and working with a relatively flat market, managing costs, managing working capital and inventory. And I think we can generate some respectable results. But we're also looking at the overall customer mix and making sure that we provide all of our customers incredible service. And but I definitely think that there's a tremendous opportunity to grow it. Speaker 600:25:49But what we're looking at and managing around is a flat market with growth and opportunity coming from the things we can control. Speaker 700:26:04Yes, understood. That makes a lot of sense. And then if I could just ask on the AST acquisition. So, and you guys already kind of elaborated on the strategic rationale in the prepared remarks, but I guess you guys have consistently communicated the acquire, retire, replace strategy. This fits into that strategy. Speaker 700:26:22But more recently, I guess, presumably, you have some idle fleets and delevering has moved up on the capital allocation priority list. So just in light of those two factors, just wondering if you could expand on the strategic rationale for the AST acquisition? Thank you. Speaker 600:26:42Certainly, this was an asset that came at a great value, a great price and credible asset base and workforce and a great reputation in West Texas. I think it complements our portfolio out there really, really well with really high quality customers attached to it. The quality of the fleet was certainly of high quality. It does complement our acquire, retire, replace. It's not particularly reflected in our Q2 numbers to the level that we would want it to be as we only had just over a couple of weeks in June that our numbers were complemented by. Speaker 600:27:35So look forward to having a full quarter with it and many years beyond having that package added to our profile. Speaker 700:27:48Great. Thanks a lot. Appreciate that color. I'll turn it back. Speaker 400:27:53Thank you. Operator00:27:58Our next question comes from Sarabra Papp from Bank of America. Go ahead. Speaker 800:28:05Hi, good morning, Matt and Lad. Maybe I'll start with a question on the gas side of things. I know you guys have an outsized exposure relative to your peers on the gas side of things. Maybe you can talk a little bit to your outlook for the balance of the year on the gas activity side. Do things get worse before they get better? Speaker 800:28:22Because listening to the E and P calls this season, it sounds like there is some risk of more activity curtailment in the very near term. Speaker 600:28:32Yes. I mean, we're cautiously optimistic about the gas markets going into the back half of the year. But look, we're not guiding towards it. We're in constant conversations with customers and we're seeing opportunities coming with it. But in Q2, we certainly had an impact from gas market slowing down faster than we expected them to. Speaker 600:29:00But rather than getting all bold up and overly excited about a bounce back, we're planning our business for a flat environment from here, working with customers that seem to be readying for some additional activity. But we're letting them manage the macro environment and we're managing our costs, managing our business in a very disciplined way. And what I will say is when we see a when we do see a recovery in the gas markets and activity pick up with it, you're going to see a very substantial impact on our performance. And so we're really looking to those gas markets to come back and activity to come with it. And we'll be in a position to show the full effect of our integrated model. Speaker 800:29:56Right. No, absolutely, Matt. I know you got more leverage to the gas markets than many of your peers, so that makes sense. And then one clarification, I know you don't talk about absolute fleet count, but I think Austin you had in your prepared remarks that I think you said annualized EBITDA per fleet in the quarter was around mid teens. So if I try to do that math, it sounds like you would have had maybe 30 or slightly less than 30 fleets in the Q2. Speaker 800:30:21First thing, am I roughly doing that math right? And then just on that fleet count side of things, how should we think about where things go in the back half of the year? Speaker 400:30:31Yes. I think you're thinking about it kind of in between the right and the fairway on that. I think as we look going forward, right, we're managing to the things that we can control. As you think about fleet count and you think about the opportunity set we have, I think there are absolutely opportunities for us to improve on the numbers that you laid out. I think equally as importantly, there are more opportunities for us to focus on efficiencies from the cost perspective in addition to efficiencies with specific customers that we have in the portfolio today. Speaker 400:31:14And so I think going forward that kind of mid teens EBITDA number should ring true. Speaker 800:31:22Okay, fantastic. Now I know the RFP season is coming up, so you will have more opportunities to get volumes, but again, it's more about profitability. So I appreciate that. Okay, guys. Thank you. Speaker 800:31:32I'll turn it back. Speaker 600:31:35Thank you. Operator00:31:37Thank you. And our next question comes from John Daniel from Daniel Energy Partners. Go ahead, John. Your line is open. Thanks. Speaker 900:31:45Thank you for including me. Matt, I know the market is tough right now, but it seems like pumping hours per day keep grinding higher each quarter. And at the same time, E and P companies often, well, they don't often, it's like almost always are citing the virtues of their D and C efficiency gains. And just makes you wonder like if you looked at your very best fleets today and maybe as you approach 25 during RFP season, could you rate do you think you could raise rates on those fleets? Do you think the customers would take it to maintain that efficiency or would they risk that efficiency and go lower price? Speaker 600:32:26Yes, I think that's a difficult question for a lot of reasons. We would always look to get paid more, but I think focusing on the overall relationship with the customers is the most important thing. When we look at our ability to get higher and higher efficiencies, that comes from a partnership and a customer who's focused on its efficiencies as much as you are. And in good markets, a rising tide lifts all boats. But in markets like this, we get our margin from efficiencies and stability and a great relationship and partnership with the customers you're working with. Speaker 600:33:05So that's really where we're looking for margin expansion is through things we can control from cost rationalization, inventory rationalization and grinding out the value from operating leverage. And so that's what we're focused on. If a better market comes along and lifts all boats, then ours will be lifted with it. Speaker 900:33:31Fair enough. And then as you look at like the mines that were idled or the mine that was idled and try to fast forward 4 to 5 quarter, Shamal, in the hopes of higher activity, would you be inclined to reactivate it in anticipation of higher activity? Or would you wait until your other stuff is sold out, pricing has gone up to reactivate it? Just any thoughts on how you would go about that process? Speaker 600:33:55Yes. The mine that we idled was logistically a little bit out of pretty good ways outside of the really the outer bounds of the Haynesville. There was one customer that was in close enough proximity to it. One of the things we like about that particular asset is that it has some industrial opportunities. So regardless of what gas markets do on that particular mine, we may find some industrial opportunities that would warrant us to kick that back on. Speaker 600:34:33And that's probably the most likely outcome even if we did see a gas recovery. That's just a better use case for that asset. But the other three mines that we have in that basin have tremendous logistics advantages. And that's why even in this environment, we've been able to keep those. Speaker 900:35:02Perfect. Okay. That's all I've got. Thank you for letting me ask some questions. Speaker 600:35:06Definitely. Thank you. Operator00:35:09Thank you. This does conclude our question and answer session today. I would now like to turn it back to Matt Wilkes for any closing remarks. Speaker 600:35:19Definitely, we thank everybody for joining this morning. We look forward to Q3 and the remainder of the year. We've got a lot of great things going on at ProFrac, really proud of our team. As we look forward, we're really excited to be focusing on our operating leverage, our integrated model and the managing of cost controls and inventory management. We're excited about what we'll be able to do with that. Speaker 600:35:46And with the market recovery, maybe we'll get some top line growth. But right now, this is all about cost rationalization and expansion of margin through execution. We appreciate everybody joining our call today. And thank you. Operator00:36:05Thank you. This does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation. You mayRead morePowered by