NASDAQ:MIND MIND Technology Q2 2025 Earnings Report $6.32 -0.11 (-1.71%) Closing price 05/22/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$6.30 -0.02 (-0.24%) As of 05/22/2025 06:17 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings History MIND Technology EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.11Consensus EPS $0.02Beat/MissMissed by -$0.13One Year Ago EPSN/AMIND Technology Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$10.04 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AMIND Technology Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2025Date9/11/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, September 12, 2024Conference Call Time9:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsMIND Technology's Q1 2026 earnings is scheduled for Monday, June 9, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Tuesday, June 10, 2025 at 9:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by MIND Technology Q2 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrSeptember 12, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings. Welcome to MIND Technology's Fiscal 2025 Second Quarter Earnings Conference Speaker 100:00:13Call. Operator00:00:20Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Zac Vaughn. Thank you. You may begin. Speaker 200:00:28Thank you, operator. Good morning, and welcome to the Mine Technologies fiscal 2025 Q2 earnings conference call. We appreciate all of you joining us today. With me are Rob Capps, President and Chief Executive Officer and Mark Cox, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before I turn the call over to Rob, I have a few items to cover. Speaker 200:00:48If you would like to listen to a replay of today's call, it will be available for 90 days via webcast by going to the Investor Relations section of the company's website at mind technology.com or via a recorded instant replay until September 19. Information on how to access the replay was provided in yesterday's earnings release. Information reported on this call speaks only as of today, Thursday, September 12, 2024 and therefore you're advised that time sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the time of any replay listening or transcript reading. Before we begin, let me remind you that certain statements made by management during this call may constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward looking statements are based on management's current expectations and include known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors, many of which the company is unable to predict or control, that may cause the company's actual future results or performance to materially differ from any future results or performance expressed or implied by those statements. Speaker 200:01:52These risks and uncertainties include the risk factors disclosed by the company from time to time in its filings with the SEC, including in its annual report on Form 10 ks for the year ended January 31, 2024. Furthermore, as we start this call, please also refer to the statement regarding forward looking statements incorporated in our press release issued yesterday, and please note that the contents of our conference call this morning are covered by these statements. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Rob Capps. Speaker 100:02:20Okay. Thanks, Zach, and thanks for all of you joining us today. First of all, I want to welcome all of our new common stockholders. For the conversion of our preferred stock into common stock last week, Mynd now has a substantial new group of common stockholders. For me, if not most of you, Mynd is a new company. Speaker 100:02:40This new capital structure and our encouraging business environment provide Mynd with important opportunities. Today, I'll discuss some highlights from the quarter. Mark will then provide a more detailed update on our financials. Now I'll return to wrap things up with some remarks about our outlook. Mine delivered positive results in the 2nd quarter that were in line with our expectations and further demonstrated the progress we've made on several fronts. Speaker 100:03:07We continue to operate efficiently and actively manage cost. We generated positive cash flow from operations in the quarter, which helped improve further improve liquidity. Our ability to build on the momentum we've generated in recent periods and execute has enabled mine to deliver another quarter of positive adjusted EBITDA and profitability. We remain well positioned to achieve profitability and favorable results in future periods. We maintain our belief the mine is strategically positioned for both near and long term growth. Speaker 100:03:41While it did not directly impact second quarter results, the approval of our preferred stock proposal and the resulting conversion of all preferred stock into common stock was a very important development. On the conversion, we issued approximately 6,600,000 shares of common stock, now have about 8,000,000 shares outstanding. All outstanding preferred stock, along with associated accrued but undeclared dividends have been retired. Mark will touch on the accounting for this conversion, which we'll see in the Q3. We entered the Q3 with a strong backlog of approximately $26,000,000 I know that some of you have been concerned that there have not been more announcements of new orders recently. Speaker 100:04:25Although the order flow is often sporadic, it's not uncommon to see positive in order activity throughout the year, especially during the summer. The backlog at the end of the quarter was down sequentially. However, it was more than 50% higher than at the same time last year, which is quite high by historical standards. We don't announce each and every order we receive. Currently, there are more than $6,000,000 in orders that have been received subsequent to July 31 or that we believe are imminent and those are not included in the reported backlog. Speaker 100:04:56Beyond that, we have an active pipeline of pending orders and prospects that is well in excess of our backlog received orders. We believe this robust backlog and many of the opportunities we are pursuing bode well for favorable future financial results. As is always the case, the timing of certain orders is subject to variability due to any number of challenges, unforeseen circumstances or customer delivery requirements. Our gun like source controllers, moving link positioning systems and ceiling streamer systems are all contributing to our strong backlog. We currently have a number of pending orders across these product lines. Speaker 100:05:36I'm confident that the type of macro environment, our narrowed focus, strong customer relationships, ever increasing capabilities and value partnerships will continue to cement mine as a partner choice for companies looking to acquire high quality and versatile marine technology products. Our marine technology products revenues for the Q2 of fiscal 2025 were $10,000,000 Our ability to grow revenue both sequentially and year over year demonstrates the strength in customer engagement and order flow, favorable macro tailwinds and the emphasis we put on execution and efficiency. We also continue to take steps to improve our cost structure, which has enhanced our profitability in recent quarters. Now it's always important to mention that while supply chain issues are much improved, they're still with us to varying degrees and could impact results in future periods. These challenges are simply a component of new business and we will almost certainly encounter them again in the future. Speaker 100:06:38To combat some of these challenges, we've built inventory in recent months to accommodate pending and upcoming orders. Additionally, as we've noted, the magnitude of our backlog and expected orders does give us better visibility and therefore better ability to manage our procurement processes and improve margins. We continue to believe that the current market environment is an advantageous for mine. Our key markets remain loaded with opportunity. We're seeing an uptick in customer inquiries and RFQs as we come out of the summer months. Speaker 100:07:13In addition to now operating a more streamlined and focused suite of products, our team continues to develop new and innovative ways to adapt and implement our technologies to meet the evolving needs of our customers. Recent sales and inquiries regarding our ultra high resolution ceiling streamer systems are a good example of this. I'm confident that our differentiated approach and best in class suite of products will continue to give us the competitive advantage to address the growing demand we're seeing within the marine technology industry. Our repair activities, both for our own products as well as third party products, continue to develop and look promising for the future. We continue to see traction for our spectral AI software suite through our collaboration agreement with General Oceans. Speaker 100:07:58We believe there are a number of promising prospects. Recent customer feedback for this software has been positive and we hope to find further applications for this technology in the future. Now, I'll let Mark walk you through the Q2 financial results in a bit more detail. Speaker 300:08:16Thanks, Rob, and good morning, everyone. Consistent with the past several calls, I would like to remind everyone that with the sale of Klein, those operations have been treated as discontinued operations and prior period results have been restated to reflect that. Accordingly, the results from continuing operations that we reported yesterday and are discussing here today, including prior period comparative data, do not include amounts related to decline. They include only our ongoing business. As Rob mentioned earlier, revenues from marine technology product sales totaled $10,000,000 in the quarter, which was up about 32% from approximately $7,600,000 in the same period a year ago. Speaker 300:09:04We continue to believe the underlying strength we're seeing in all our key markets and the significant customer demand driving our robust backlog positions us well for sustained high level revenue in the coming quarters. 2nd quarter gross profit was approximately $4,800,000 which was up approximately 62% when compared to the Q2 of last year. Gross profit margin, which was approximately 48% for the quarter, also increased approximately 22% when compared to the same quarter a year ago. This margin improvement stemmed from increased manufacturing activity that resulted in greater overhead absorption. Margins also benefited from the price increases that were implemented in 2024 as well as greater production efficiencies throughout the business. Speaker 300:10:00Our general and administrative expenses were $2,800,000 for the Q2 of fiscal 2025, which was flat sequentially and down slightly from $2,900,000 in the Q2 of last year. We also expect additional reductions in general and administrative expenses in the Q3 as we continue to streamline overhead costs following the sale of Klein. As we've mentioned on previous calls, the sale of Klein has allowed us to streamline our operations and thereby reduce some costs, most notably related to corporate expenses attributable to the support of Klein. I should note that our general and administrative costs do not include incremental 3rd party costs related to the preferred stock proposal and resulting conversion of preferred stock into common stock. I'll touch on the accounting for that in a moment. Speaker 300:10:54Our research and development expense for the Q2 was $328,000 This was down both sequentially and compared to the prior year period. These costs are largely directed toward the development of our next generation streamer system and continued development of our spectral AI software suite. Operating income for the Q2 was approximately $1,400,000 compared to an operating loss of 767,000 dollars in the Q2 of fiscal 2024. Our 2nd quarter adjusted EBITDA was approximately $1,800,000 Speaker 100:11:31compared to Speaker 300:11:31an adjusted EBITDA loss of $120,000 in the 2nd quarter a year ago. Net income for the Q2 was $798,000 which was an improvement of approximately $1,600,000 from the net loss of $758,000 in the Q2 of fiscal 2024. As Rob mentioned, we're pleased to have achieved another quarter of profitability and we hope to continue building on this momentum in the future period. As of July 31, 2024, we had working capital of approximately $20,300,000 $1,900,000 of cash on hand. As expected during the quarter, liquidity continued to be impacted by mine's operational requirements related to acquiring inventory and executing on our backlog of orders. Speaker 300:12:26However, we did generate approximately $1,000,000 of cash flow from operations in the Q2. The balance sheet remains strong. As of today, Mine remains debt free. Additionally, after the preferred stock conversion earlier this month, mine now maintains a clean capital structure and has good flexibility from which to enhance stockholder value. As Rob mentioned, the conversion of the preferred stock is not reflected in our Q2 results. Speaker 300:12:58In the Q3 financials, we will reflect this transaction. We expect to record the issuance of approximately 6,600,000 new shares of common stock at the then current market value of the common stock, less associated transaction costs such as legal fees and solicitation costs. The carrying value of the preferred stock will be Speaker 100:13:22eliminated. The excess of Speaker 300:13:24the carrying value of the preferred stock over the recorded value of the new common stock, which we currently estimate to be approximately $15,000,000 will be credited directly to retained earnings. This treatment was described in the proxy statement provided to preferred stockholders associated with the approval of the proposal. I'll now pass it back over to Rob for some concluding comments. Speaker 100:13:50Okay. Thanks, Mark. My continues to benefit from the positive momentum we've generated in recent periods and our sustained higher level revenue reflects that. We're seeing strong customer interest and demand across our Finac product lines And our focused approach and streamlined operations continue to positively impact our results. We maintain a lean operating structure and continue to manage costs to improve margins and enhance our bottom line. Speaker 100:14:17We fully expect to achieve positive adjusted EBITDA and profitability throughout fiscal 2025. We remain encouraged by the notable tailwinds and significant opportunities for our CMAP unit and our other initiatives in this market. We developed valuable partnerships and customer relationships that enabled us to build a strong backlog that continue to drive new orders. Our marine technology products continue to penetrate a variety of industries and markets. I believe this is a direct correlation to the work that our team has done to develop and continually adapt our technology to meet the evolving needs of our customers. Speaker 100:14:57We believe our pipeline and received and pending orders and other prospects are reflective of the significant demand and market adoption of our product lines. While we're pleased with the results from the Q2, we believe Mynd is poised to capitalize on additional opportunities and deliver improved results in the coming quarters. As usual, I'd like to remind everyone that fluctuations in our revenue from quarter to quarter are bound to occur at some point in the future as they have at times in the past. And this revenue variation could result from any number of different challenges, unforeseen circumstances or simple customer delivery requirements. We continue to maintain our belief that the general trend will be one of sustainably higher level revenue throughout the remainder of fiscal 2025 and beyond. Speaker 100:15:45The conversion of preferred stock to common stock is another important development that, in my opinion, provides a great deal of flexibility in pursuing these opportunities. Looking forward and barring any unexpected challenges or unforeseen circumstances, we expect our results for the second half of fiscal twenty twenty five to be somewhat improved compared to the first half of the year. Our current visibility, healthy customer engagement, strong backlog and favorable macro tailwinds continue to give us confidence that we'll see higher revenue and continued positive adjusted EBITDA in the coming quarters, which we anticipate culminating in another profitable year for mine. We have a differentiated and market leading suite of products, a favorable market environment and now a very clean debt free capital structure. We look forward to capitalize on these positive factors to increase talkable value as we move forward. Speaker 100:16:41With that, operator, we can now open the call for questions. Operator00:16:53Thank you. Our first question is from Tyson Bauer with Casey Capital. Please proceed. Speaker 100:17:12Congratulations, gentlemen. Hey, thanks, Tyson. Speaker 400:17:16A lot less stressful for all involved now that we've got a cap Speaker 100:17:20structure. Speaker 400:17:22Obviously, backlog will be somewhat of a focus, but I think your comments on the outlook kind of soften that. We go from 38 to 31, 26 add another 6, so you're about 32. So you're maintaining your backlog. You mentioned sustained revenue as we go forth in the next couple of quarters with an improvement in the second half results. Do you look at that as kind of now we've hit that benchmark level where other than maybe some unique timing issues, we should be at that $10 plus 1,000,000 going forward? Speaker 100:18:00Okay. Kurt, I'm always hesitant excuse me to be specific about that. But I think normally, you're correct. Just understanding that when a particular order falls from one week to the next could have an impact on the given quarter. So if we're waking up one day and have an $8,000,000 quarter, I would not be panicking. Speaker 100:18:20This is though don't be shocked if there's a $12,000,000 quarter. Speaker 400:18:26Right. I think one of the more impressive financial metrics that you posted in the quarter was your gross margin 47.6%. I think I had you at about 45.5%. That's 200 basis points ahead of schedule, which I'll take that over the little lighter on the revenue any day. Is that mainly from that operating leverage or is that just that pricing that's coming through or kind of a combination? Speaker 100:18:53Yes, it's a combination. Certainly, the operating leverage helps a lot and we're able to buy more rationally. Product mix has an impact. So there are all sorts of things that go into that calculus. But we are very pleased about that. Speaker 100:19:08That's something we've really been trying to focus on and hope we can continue that going forward. Speaker 400:19:14So you see that being sustainable also or widening as we continue? Speaker 100:19:20I would say more sustainable. Again, if we solve a quarter, dip a couple of points, couple of 100 points, that wouldn't be a positive concern at all. Again, just given what products are in the quarter, what discount structures happen, that sort of thing can impact quarter to quarter. But I think, again, we've done a good job of improving margins at the gross level. Speaker 400:19:45I think another impressive financial metric here is cash flow from operations being up $1,000,000 in the quarter. Given you had a $3,000,000 increase in your inventory, It's been a while that we've had positive numbers on that line item. Are we expected then to work down a little bit of that inventory? Or is that going to be kind of sustained? And what is your net working capital outlook in the second half? Speaker 100:20:13Yes. I would hope and expect that we'd be able to work that down a bit. And therefore, we're starting to see the cash flow turn a bit, collecting receivables and things we shift. Again, we pre bought inventory in some cases, trying to work some of that down and maybe don't have to be quite as aggressive in the future with that. Having said that, you get a big order next week that we need to buy today to deliver in 6 months, that can have an impact. Speaker 100:20:44But in general, I would expect us to work that down a bit. Speaker 400:20:47You go ahead and get those big orders. Exactly. Diluted share count now that we only should be reporting positive EPS as far as GAAP purposes with the conversion, which is roughly 8,000,000 shares, would have gave you a quarter around $0.10 I wouldn't think you have very much options or anything else in the money. So is that $8,000,000 a fairly good diluted number to work with? Speaker 100:21:12Yes, it is. Yes, there's nothing in the money at this point. So that should be a good number. Speaker 400:21:18And I was trying to quickly go on the back of my notes. What are you looking at your book value post conversion? I know you talked about $15,000,000 retained earnings and the preferred getting rid of. In that now, what does your book value look like per share? Speaker 100:21:35Oh gosh. Tyson, I don't have the number in front of me, so I hate to just do something off the cuff. 10Q will be out this evening. I think if I can do the math off of that, we'll get pretty close. I just I don't have in front of me, so I don't want to misstate on that. Speaker 400:21:55I know I'm talking about a lot of things outside of your actual business products and services. One of the key things, you're getting a market value of $29,000,000 and you just got rid of a liquidation value preference of $48,000,000 Speaker 100:22:11Right. Speaker 400:22:12Which included getting rid of all those accumulated dividends, which go away and will not continue to accumulate in addition to what the preferred value was in the marketplace before you did the conversion. Are you a little surprised that we haven't seen an adjustment to your market valuation just based on those numbers alone? Speaker 100:22:36Frankly, not really in that you kind of think about the natural arbitrage that's been in place. There's not been demand to buy the common recently. People will be buying the preferred instead. Obviously, there are some people who bought the preferred who intended to unload immediately. So I think we're seeing some of that selling pressure right now. Speaker 100:22:56So I would expect that to work itself off in the coming days and maybe weeks. And as we continue to perform, I think that will stockpile should take care of itself. So I'm not concerned about that. Speaker 400:23:07Okay. Yes, as we work through those non votes on the preferred and no votes, they're converted shares. I would assume given what you're giving us an outlook and what you posted on a pro form a basis, we should see some positive traction, all other things being equal. Speaker 100:23:24I would expect so. I would hope so, Linds. Speaker 400:23:27All right. I'm sure somebody else will have some business questions for you, but thanks a lot and great job guys. Speaker 100:23:33Okay. Thanks, Tyson. Operator00:23:43Our next question is from Ross Taylor with ARS Investment Partners. Please proceed. Speaker 500:23:50Thank you. And I'll echo Tyson's congratulations and also thank you for your perseverance. It was not an easy thing to get done. I had some people telling me it wouldn't get done and it got done. So I think this is setting the stage for a lot of value creation going forward and I'm confident as a preferred holder, I'll be better off the year from now than I was would have been under the old structure. Speaker 100:24:14Thanks, Ross. Speaker 500:24:16Couple of questions. What were inventory levels at quarter end? Speaker 100:24:20Yes, dollars 20,000,000 Speaker 500:24:22dollars 20,000,000? 2nd is, you talked about pulling down the G and A as you're rightsizing the business. What kind of run rate G and A should we expect to see going forward either annually or on a quarter basis? Speaker 100:24:41So we're at 2.8 this quarter. I would like to see that down a little bit, dollars 100,000 or so, not drastically by then, we're just at a point where we're starting to tweak things a bit and adjust headcounts in some places. So you kind of look at that level, analyze the 2.8% and take maybe a $500,000 off that maybe make some sense, but those are rough numbers obviously. Speaker 500:25:08Okay. And that's a number that you should that $2,800,000 annualized down works out to something around $10,000,000 annually and you're confident that if as you grow your revenues that number should be able to hold towards that $10,000,000 range? Speaker 100:25:24Yes, I think so. Yes, for a while at least. Obviously, it does get to a point where we have to expand a bit for the time being. Speaker 500:25:32Yes, within reason. Yes, obviously. What are your public company costs? Obviously, it's pretty expensive to be a small public company. It's not uncommon to cost over $1,000,000 What kind of costs do you guys incur just Speaker 100:25:45Yes, that's a great question. So I think it's well in excess of $1,000,000 like your audit costs are more, you got public reporting cost, you've got shareholder cost. So I think well in excess of 1,000,000 and probably approaching 2,000,000 dollars is not hard to get to. Speaker 500:26:06Well, so it could be something as high as like $0.15 $0.16 a share in earnings impact. Speaker 100:26:13Yes, it's real money for sure. Speaker 500:26:16Yes, under the 8,000,000 shares. Okay, that's actually pretty meaningful. In the past, you had to subtract the preferred dividends like the number and Tyson touched on this. I had it always drives me crazy because I think Tyson reports his numbers on adjusted and the street picked it up as GAAP. And so they reported it as an earnings miss when in fact, I actually think you were probably in line with Tyson's number. Speaker 500:26:42He can come back on and confirm that if I'm right or wrong. If I'm wrong, he can call me up and laugh at me. But when we're looking at that, that's what about almost $0.12 a quarter, roughly $0.47 $0.48 a year. When we go going forward, when you get this, are you going to restate past earnings or is this all going to come out in that kind of make whole adjustment? Yes. Speaker 500:27:09So Speaker 100:27:11don't hold me to this. It's similar. We're still researching as to the proper way to do it because there's not clear guidance on some of this. I suspect EPS will be restated. And there will be a, I think, a really strange looking adjustment in EPS in the Q1. Speaker 100:27:29This $15,000,000 charge to return to earnings or approximate $15,000,000 actually will get reflected in EPS in that quarter, which was kind of meaningless. But that's we think that's why GAAP says to do. Speaker 500:27:43Yes. And all I would say is, break out whatever that number is so that even Bloomberg can pick it up and be right with it. You've talked about in the comments you made, you talked about the fact that you saw the second half being slightly better than the first half. Can you tell us what number you're working on for the first half? When I'm looking at reported GAAP numbers, I have you earning about $0.58 When I adjust for the preferred dividends, I add that back, I get $0.24 added to that. Speaker 500:28:17So I'm talking about something that's in the $0.81 range. What do you see as the second half? I mean, what should I be benchmarking slightly better against? Is it $0.57 Is it a different number? When I'm going to compare apples to apples, what should I be using as my first apple? Speaker 100:28:36So Ross, to be quite frank, what Mike was alluding to a revenue level. And so roughly $20,000,000 of revenue, maybe just below that in the first half. So that's what I was comparing to and then just kind of do the math off of that as to what the EPS looks like. So I wasn't trying to do it from an EPS standpoint or from a net earnings standpoint. Speaker 500:28:58Is there anything in the first half of the year that was uniquely one time that we should be backing out to get that base level before we add back the preferred dividend? Speaker 100:29:09I don't think anything. No, nothing really unusual. Again, there's some seasonality in some of our costs, G and A costs that we've talked about in the past. So nothing out of the ordinary. Speaker 500:29:21Okay, cool. So that's a really nice setup for the second half of this year. Also your press release, the last line in it was interesting to me. You made comment is a little sentence is, this is an important step for mind. It simplifies our capital structure. Speaker 500:29:38It's actually the last two sentences. I went to public school, forgive me. And in my opinion, set the stage for creating meaningful stockholder value. Will you go into some more color on how you see that value being realized? Is this setting up a situation where obviously we're going to have much better earnings, a clean balance sheet that creates one level of value? Speaker 500:30:03But does this also create a situation where strategically you think that it will be easier for people to look at mined and value it appropriately and come up with a number that will be found acceptable to all shareholders in the past. The problem we had is the first roughly $50,000,000 was going to the preferred holders, which left very little for the common holders, but now we're all in the same boat. So I'd love to get more insight into what your thinking is behind those two sentences. Speaker 100:30:36Sure. There's a couple of aspects to that, Ross. Certainly, there's just the math of it or the corporate finance aspects of it that you alluded to. And that I think, this is my opinion, I think that people did really understand how to value or how to what calculus to use in determining what's the impact of the deferred on the common. So I think taking that uncertainty away clarifies things. Speaker 100:31:04I also think it gives us some great more flexibility in growing the company. We're a small, very small company. We need to be bigger. And there's different ways to get bigger. And I think having this uncertainty out of the way and this confusion perhaps out of the way makes it easier for us to do other things, be it raise other capital to grow or maybe look for other partners to do things with. Speaker 100:31:32So just gives us a lot more flexibility to do lots of different things. Speaker 500:31:37Well, thank you. And I would agree, I mean, if you just look at if you put a 10 multiple on the preferred dividend, you have a stock that should be closer to 5, not 4 or 3.5. So that alone creates and then we talked about the public company costs. I mean, there's a huge amount of value here. This company is clearly worth a lot more than $3.5 or $4 a share. Speaker 500:31:58And I want to I'll leave you with I want to thank you. I know, as I said, you worked very hard on getting this done. There was you and I didn't always support or agree with how you were handling this. But in the end, I think you created something that should unlock a tremendous amount of value. And you and your board, your leadership team are to be commended for quite honestly sticking to something that most people would have walked away from. Speaker 100:32:23Okay. Thanks, Russell. Appreciate that. Operator00:32:28Our next question is from Sam Schwartz with Caliber Management. Please proceed. Speaker 600:32:35Hi, good morning. Excellent report. So good to read and congratulations on the turnaround and looking forward. I have one particular question you don't seem to focus on and that is Mine Technologies involvement in artificial intelligence and your spectral software. I wonder if you could give us a little color on what's going on there? Speaker 100:33:07Sure. That's something we developed in connection with our client operation initially. Of course, we've sold that, but we retained that IP in the transaction, but then had sublicensed that back to mine and General Oceans, the buyer, as it relates to certain applications, specifically side scan sonar. So right now, we are promoting that in connection with our agreement, our collaboration agreement with General Oceans. It's early days. Speaker 100:33:41The revenue from it has been de minimis. I mean, just a few tens of 1,000 of dollars so far. But I think it's something that's pretty interesting and that the companies who have looked at it and it's in the hands of a couple of significant customers around the world right now. The feedback is very positive that there are some unique things about this software suite. There's lots of ATR, automatic target recognition software out there, lots of AI models out there. Speaker 100:34:19But there's some things about this as it relates to data handling and ability to develop new models, which we think is unique. So we think there's an interesting opportunity there, but it is very early days and we're still exploring the best way to exploit that. It's not going to be a $50,000,000 a year business, but it doesn't need to be. If it can be something much smaller than that, I think it could add some pretty meaningful value to it. So it's one of those things that you can't bet the bank on it right now, but I think it's some interesting upside for us that we're trying to pursue. Speaker 600:35:00Great. Thank you very much. Operator00:35:04We have reached the end of our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for closing remarks. Speaker 400:35:12Okay. Thanks very much. Speaker 100:35:13I'd like to thank everybody for joining us this morning and taking time to learn about kind of where we stand today and where we're going forward. We look forward to visiting you at the end of our Q3 in a few weeks. Thanks very much. Operator00:35:27Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and thank you for your participation.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways We delivered Q2 revenues of $10 M (up 32% YoY) with a 48% gross margin, achieved positive adjusted EBITDA of $1.8 M and net income of $0.8 M versus a loss last year. We generated positive cash flow from operations of $1 M and improved our liquidity, thanks to efficient cost management and inventory builds to support pending orders. We ended Q2 with a $26 M backlog—over 50% higher than last year—and have an additional $6 M in orders since quarter‐end, demonstrating robust customer demand across our product lines. We simplified our capital structure by converting all preferred stock into common shares, retiring $48 M of liquidation preference, issuing ~6.6 M new common shares and eliminating debt, boosting retained earnings by ~$15 M. With a lean operating structure, streamlined G&A and favorable market tailwinds, we expect sustained higher revenue, continued positive adjusted EBITDA and profitability through the second half of FY 2025. AI Generated. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings. Welcome to MIND Technology's Fiscal 2025 Second Quarter Earnings Conference Speaker 100:00:13Call. Operator00:00:20Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Zac Vaughn. Thank you. You may begin. Speaker 200:00:28Thank you, operator. Good morning, and welcome to the Mine Technologies fiscal 2025 Q2 earnings conference call. We appreciate all of you joining us today. With me are Rob Capps, President and Chief Executive Officer and Mark Cox, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before I turn the call over to Rob, I have a few items to cover. Speaker 200:00:48If you would like to listen to a replay of today's call, it will be available for 90 days via webcast by going to the Investor Relations section of the company's website at mind technology.com or via a recorded instant replay until September 19. Information on how to access the replay was provided in yesterday's earnings release. Information reported on this call speaks only as of today, Thursday, September 12, 2024 and therefore you're advised that time sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the time of any replay listening or transcript reading. Before we begin, let me remind you that certain statements made by management during this call may constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward looking statements are based on management's current expectations and include known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors, many of which the company is unable to predict or control, that may cause the company's actual future results or performance to materially differ from any future results or performance expressed or implied by those statements. Speaker 200:01:52These risks and uncertainties include the risk factors disclosed by the company from time to time in its filings with the SEC, including in its annual report on Form 10 ks for the year ended January 31, 2024. Furthermore, as we start this call, please also refer to the statement regarding forward looking statements incorporated in our press release issued yesterday, and please note that the contents of our conference call this morning are covered by these statements. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Rob Capps. Speaker 100:02:20Okay. Thanks, Zach, and thanks for all of you joining us today. First of all, I want to welcome all of our new common stockholders. For the conversion of our preferred stock into common stock last week, Mynd now has a substantial new group of common stockholders. For me, if not most of you, Mynd is a new company. Speaker 100:02:40This new capital structure and our encouraging business environment provide Mynd with important opportunities. Today, I'll discuss some highlights from the quarter. Mark will then provide a more detailed update on our financials. Now I'll return to wrap things up with some remarks about our outlook. Mine delivered positive results in the 2nd quarter that were in line with our expectations and further demonstrated the progress we've made on several fronts. Speaker 100:03:07We continue to operate efficiently and actively manage cost. We generated positive cash flow from operations in the quarter, which helped improve further improve liquidity. Our ability to build on the momentum we've generated in recent periods and execute has enabled mine to deliver another quarter of positive adjusted EBITDA and profitability. We remain well positioned to achieve profitability and favorable results in future periods. We maintain our belief the mine is strategically positioned for both near and long term growth. Speaker 100:03:41While it did not directly impact second quarter results, the approval of our preferred stock proposal and the resulting conversion of all preferred stock into common stock was a very important development. On the conversion, we issued approximately 6,600,000 shares of common stock, now have about 8,000,000 shares outstanding. All outstanding preferred stock, along with associated accrued but undeclared dividends have been retired. Mark will touch on the accounting for this conversion, which we'll see in the Q3. We entered the Q3 with a strong backlog of approximately $26,000,000 I know that some of you have been concerned that there have not been more announcements of new orders recently. Speaker 100:04:25Although the order flow is often sporadic, it's not uncommon to see positive in order activity throughout the year, especially during the summer. The backlog at the end of the quarter was down sequentially. However, it was more than 50% higher than at the same time last year, which is quite high by historical standards. We don't announce each and every order we receive. Currently, there are more than $6,000,000 in orders that have been received subsequent to July 31 or that we believe are imminent and those are not included in the reported backlog. Speaker 100:04:56Beyond that, we have an active pipeline of pending orders and prospects that is well in excess of our backlog received orders. We believe this robust backlog and many of the opportunities we are pursuing bode well for favorable future financial results. As is always the case, the timing of certain orders is subject to variability due to any number of challenges, unforeseen circumstances or customer delivery requirements. Our gun like source controllers, moving link positioning systems and ceiling streamer systems are all contributing to our strong backlog. We currently have a number of pending orders across these product lines. Speaker 100:05:36I'm confident that the type of macro environment, our narrowed focus, strong customer relationships, ever increasing capabilities and value partnerships will continue to cement mine as a partner choice for companies looking to acquire high quality and versatile marine technology products. Our marine technology products revenues for the Q2 of fiscal 2025 were $10,000,000 Our ability to grow revenue both sequentially and year over year demonstrates the strength in customer engagement and order flow, favorable macro tailwinds and the emphasis we put on execution and efficiency. We also continue to take steps to improve our cost structure, which has enhanced our profitability in recent quarters. Now it's always important to mention that while supply chain issues are much improved, they're still with us to varying degrees and could impact results in future periods. These challenges are simply a component of new business and we will almost certainly encounter them again in the future. Speaker 100:06:38To combat some of these challenges, we've built inventory in recent months to accommodate pending and upcoming orders. Additionally, as we've noted, the magnitude of our backlog and expected orders does give us better visibility and therefore better ability to manage our procurement processes and improve margins. We continue to believe that the current market environment is an advantageous for mine. Our key markets remain loaded with opportunity. We're seeing an uptick in customer inquiries and RFQs as we come out of the summer months. Speaker 100:07:13In addition to now operating a more streamlined and focused suite of products, our team continues to develop new and innovative ways to adapt and implement our technologies to meet the evolving needs of our customers. Recent sales and inquiries regarding our ultra high resolution ceiling streamer systems are a good example of this. I'm confident that our differentiated approach and best in class suite of products will continue to give us the competitive advantage to address the growing demand we're seeing within the marine technology industry. Our repair activities, both for our own products as well as third party products, continue to develop and look promising for the future. We continue to see traction for our spectral AI software suite through our collaboration agreement with General Oceans. Speaker 100:07:58We believe there are a number of promising prospects. Recent customer feedback for this software has been positive and we hope to find further applications for this technology in the future. Now, I'll let Mark walk you through the Q2 financial results in a bit more detail. Speaker 300:08:16Thanks, Rob, and good morning, everyone. Consistent with the past several calls, I would like to remind everyone that with the sale of Klein, those operations have been treated as discontinued operations and prior period results have been restated to reflect that. Accordingly, the results from continuing operations that we reported yesterday and are discussing here today, including prior period comparative data, do not include amounts related to decline. They include only our ongoing business. As Rob mentioned earlier, revenues from marine technology product sales totaled $10,000,000 in the quarter, which was up about 32% from approximately $7,600,000 in the same period a year ago. Speaker 300:09:04We continue to believe the underlying strength we're seeing in all our key markets and the significant customer demand driving our robust backlog positions us well for sustained high level revenue in the coming quarters. 2nd quarter gross profit was approximately $4,800,000 which was up approximately 62% when compared to the Q2 of last year. Gross profit margin, which was approximately 48% for the quarter, also increased approximately 22% when compared to the same quarter a year ago. This margin improvement stemmed from increased manufacturing activity that resulted in greater overhead absorption. Margins also benefited from the price increases that were implemented in 2024 as well as greater production efficiencies throughout the business. Speaker 300:10:00Our general and administrative expenses were $2,800,000 for the Q2 of fiscal 2025, which was flat sequentially and down slightly from $2,900,000 in the Q2 of last year. We also expect additional reductions in general and administrative expenses in the Q3 as we continue to streamline overhead costs following the sale of Klein. As we've mentioned on previous calls, the sale of Klein has allowed us to streamline our operations and thereby reduce some costs, most notably related to corporate expenses attributable to the support of Klein. I should note that our general and administrative costs do not include incremental 3rd party costs related to the preferred stock proposal and resulting conversion of preferred stock into common stock. I'll touch on the accounting for that in a moment. Speaker 300:10:54Our research and development expense for the Q2 was $328,000 This was down both sequentially and compared to the prior year period. These costs are largely directed toward the development of our next generation streamer system and continued development of our spectral AI software suite. Operating income for the Q2 was approximately $1,400,000 compared to an operating loss of 767,000 dollars in the Q2 of fiscal 2024. Our 2nd quarter adjusted EBITDA was approximately $1,800,000 Speaker 100:11:31compared to Speaker 300:11:31an adjusted EBITDA loss of $120,000 in the 2nd quarter a year ago. Net income for the Q2 was $798,000 which was an improvement of approximately $1,600,000 from the net loss of $758,000 in the Q2 of fiscal 2024. As Rob mentioned, we're pleased to have achieved another quarter of profitability and we hope to continue building on this momentum in the future period. As of July 31, 2024, we had working capital of approximately $20,300,000 $1,900,000 of cash on hand. As expected during the quarter, liquidity continued to be impacted by mine's operational requirements related to acquiring inventory and executing on our backlog of orders. Speaker 300:12:26However, we did generate approximately $1,000,000 of cash flow from operations in the Q2. The balance sheet remains strong. As of today, Mine remains debt free. Additionally, after the preferred stock conversion earlier this month, mine now maintains a clean capital structure and has good flexibility from which to enhance stockholder value. As Rob mentioned, the conversion of the preferred stock is not reflected in our Q2 results. Speaker 300:12:58In the Q3 financials, we will reflect this transaction. We expect to record the issuance of approximately 6,600,000 new shares of common stock at the then current market value of the common stock, less associated transaction costs such as legal fees and solicitation costs. The carrying value of the preferred stock will be Speaker 100:13:22eliminated. The excess of Speaker 300:13:24the carrying value of the preferred stock over the recorded value of the new common stock, which we currently estimate to be approximately $15,000,000 will be credited directly to retained earnings. This treatment was described in the proxy statement provided to preferred stockholders associated with the approval of the proposal. I'll now pass it back over to Rob for some concluding comments. Speaker 100:13:50Okay. Thanks, Mark. My continues to benefit from the positive momentum we've generated in recent periods and our sustained higher level revenue reflects that. We're seeing strong customer interest and demand across our Finac product lines And our focused approach and streamlined operations continue to positively impact our results. We maintain a lean operating structure and continue to manage costs to improve margins and enhance our bottom line. Speaker 100:14:17We fully expect to achieve positive adjusted EBITDA and profitability throughout fiscal 2025. We remain encouraged by the notable tailwinds and significant opportunities for our CMAP unit and our other initiatives in this market. We developed valuable partnerships and customer relationships that enabled us to build a strong backlog that continue to drive new orders. Our marine technology products continue to penetrate a variety of industries and markets. I believe this is a direct correlation to the work that our team has done to develop and continually adapt our technology to meet the evolving needs of our customers. Speaker 100:14:57We believe our pipeline and received and pending orders and other prospects are reflective of the significant demand and market adoption of our product lines. While we're pleased with the results from the Q2, we believe Mynd is poised to capitalize on additional opportunities and deliver improved results in the coming quarters. As usual, I'd like to remind everyone that fluctuations in our revenue from quarter to quarter are bound to occur at some point in the future as they have at times in the past. And this revenue variation could result from any number of different challenges, unforeseen circumstances or simple customer delivery requirements. We continue to maintain our belief that the general trend will be one of sustainably higher level revenue throughout the remainder of fiscal 2025 and beyond. Speaker 100:15:45The conversion of preferred stock to common stock is another important development that, in my opinion, provides a great deal of flexibility in pursuing these opportunities. Looking forward and barring any unexpected challenges or unforeseen circumstances, we expect our results for the second half of fiscal twenty twenty five to be somewhat improved compared to the first half of the year. Our current visibility, healthy customer engagement, strong backlog and favorable macro tailwinds continue to give us confidence that we'll see higher revenue and continued positive adjusted EBITDA in the coming quarters, which we anticipate culminating in another profitable year for mine. We have a differentiated and market leading suite of products, a favorable market environment and now a very clean debt free capital structure. We look forward to capitalize on these positive factors to increase talkable value as we move forward. Speaker 100:16:41With that, operator, we can now open the call for questions. Operator00:16:53Thank you. Our first question is from Tyson Bauer with Casey Capital. Please proceed. Speaker 100:17:12Congratulations, gentlemen. Hey, thanks, Tyson. Speaker 400:17:16A lot less stressful for all involved now that we've got a cap Speaker 100:17:20structure. Speaker 400:17:22Obviously, backlog will be somewhat of a focus, but I think your comments on the outlook kind of soften that. We go from 38 to 31, 26 add another 6, so you're about 32. So you're maintaining your backlog. You mentioned sustained revenue as we go forth in the next couple of quarters with an improvement in the second half results. Do you look at that as kind of now we've hit that benchmark level where other than maybe some unique timing issues, we should be at that $10 plus 1,000,000 going forward? Speaker 100:18:00Okay. Kurt, I'm always hesitant excuse me to be specific about that. But I think normally, you're correct. Just understanding that when a particular order falls from one week to the next could have an impact on the given quarter. So if we're waking up one day and have an $8,000,000 quarter, I would not be panicking. Speaker 100:18:20This is though don't be shocked if there's a $12,000,000 quarter. Speaker 400:18:26Right. I think one of the more impressive financial metrics that you posted in the quarter was your gross margin 47.6%. I think I had you at about 45.5%. That's 200 basis points ahead of schedule, which I'll take that over the little lighter on the revenue any day. Is that mainly from that operating leverage or is that just that pricing that's coming through or kind of a combination? Speaker 100:18:53Yes, it's a combination. Certainly, the operating leverage helps a lot and we're able to buy more rationally. Product mix has an impact. So there are all sorts of things that go into that calculus. But we are very pleased about that. Speaker 100:19:08That's something we've really been trying to focus on and hope we can continue that going forward. Speaker 400:19:14So you see that being sustainable also or widening as we continue? Speaker 100:19:20I would say more sustainable. Again, if we solve a quarter, dip a couple of points, couple of 100 points, that wouldn't be a positive concern at all. Again, just given what products are in the quarter, what discount structures happen, that sort of thing can impact quarter to quarter. But I think, again, we've done a good job of improving margins at the gross level. Speaker 400:19:45I think another impressive financial metric here is cash flow from operations being up $1,000,000 in the quarter. Given you had a $3,000,000 increase in your inventory, It's been a while that we've had positive numbers on that line item. Are we expected then to work down a little bit of that inventory? Or is that going to be kind of sustained? And what is your net working capital outlook in the second half? Speaker 100:20:13Yes. I would hope and expect that we'd be able to work that down a bit. And therefore, we're starting to see the cash flow turn a bit, collecting receivables and things we shift. Again, we pre bought inventory in some cases, trying to work some of that down and maybe don't have to be quite as aggressive in the future with that. Having said that, you get a big order next week that we need to buy today to deliver in 6 months, that can have an impact. Speaker 100:20:44But in general, I would expect us to work that down a bit. Speaker 400:20:47You go ahead and get those big orders. Exactly. Diluted share count now that we only should be reporting positive EPS as far as GAAP purposes with the conversion, which is roughly 8,000,000 shares, would have gave you a quarter around $0.10 I wouldn't think you have very much options or anything else in the money. So is that $8,000,000 a fairly good diluted number to work with? Speaker 100:21:12Yes, it is. Yes, there's nothing in the money at this point. So that should be a good number. Speaker 400:21:18And I was trying to quickly go on the back of my notes. What are you looking at your book value post conversion? I know you talked about $15,000,000 retained earnings and the preferred getting rid of. In that now, what does your book value look like per share? Speaker 100:21:35Oh gosh. Tyson, I don't have the number in front of me, so I hate to just do something off the cuff. 10Q will be out this evening. I think if I can do the math off of that, we'll get pretty close. I just I don't have in front of me, so I don't want to misstate on that. Speaker 400:21:55I know I'm talking about a lot of things outside of your actual business products and services. One of the key things, you're getting a market value of $29,000,000 and you just got rid of a liquidation value preference of $48,000,000 Speaker 100:22:11Right. Speaker 400:22:12Which included getting rid of all those accumulated dividends, which go away and will not continue to accumulate in addition to what the preferred value was in the marketplace before you did the conversion. Are you a little surprised that we haven't seen an adjustment to your market valuation just based on those numbers alone? Speaker 100:22:36Frankly, not really in that you kind of think about the natural arbitrage that's been in place. There's not been demand to buy the common recently. People will be buying the preferred instead. Obviously, there are some people who bought the preferred who intended to unload immediately. So I think we're seeing some of that selling pressure right now. Speaker 100:22:56So I would expect that to work itself off in the coming days and maybe weeks. And as we continue to perform, I think that will stockpile should take care of itself. So I'm not concerned about that. Speaker 400:23:07Okay. Yes, as we work through those non votes on the preferred and no votes, they're converted shares. I would assume given what you're giving us an outlook and what you posted on a pro form a basis, we should see some positive traction, all other things being equal. Speaker 100:23:24I would expect so. I would hope so, Linds. Speaker 400:23:27All right. I'm sure somebody else will have some business questions for you, but thanks a lot and great job guys. Speaker 100:23:33Okay. Thanks, Tyson. Operator00:23:43Our next question is from Ross Taylor with ARS Investment Partners. Please proceed. Speaker 500:23:50Thank you. And I'll echo Tyson's congratulations and also thank you for your perseverance. It was not an easy thing to get done. I had some people telling me it wouldn't get done and it got done. So I think this is setting the stage for a lot of value creation going forward and I'm confident as a preferred holder, I'll be better off the year from now than I was would have been under the old structure. Speaker 100:24:14Thanks, Ross. Speaker 500:24:16Couple of questions. What were inventory levels at quarter end? Speaker 100:24:20Yes, dollars 20,000,000 Speaker 500:24:22dollars 20,000,000? 2nd is, you talked about pulling down the G and A as you're rightsizing the business. What kind of run rate G and A should we expect to see going forward either annually or on a quarter basis? Speaker 100:24:41So we're at 2.8 this quarter. I would like to see that down a little bit, dollars 100,000 or so, not drastically by then, we're just at a point where we're starting to tweak things a bit and adjust headcounts in some places. So you kind of look at that level, analyze the 2.8% and take maybe a $500,000 off that maybe make some sense, but those are rough numbers obviously. Speaker 500:25:08Okay. And that's a number that you should that $2,800,000 annualized down works out to something around $10,000,000 annually and you're confident that if as you grow your revenues that number should be able to hold towards that $10,000,000 range? Speaker 100:25:24Yes, I think so. Yes, for a while at least. Obviously, it does get to a point where we have to expand a bit for the time being. Speaker 500:25:32Yes, within reason. Yes, obviously. What are your public company costs? Obviously, it's pretty expensive to be a small public company. It's not uncommon to cost over $1,000,000 What kind of costs do you guys incur just Speaker 100:25:45Yes, that's a great question. So I think it's well in excess of $1,000,000 like your audit costs are more, you got public reporting cost, you've got shareholder cost. So I think well in excess of 1,000,000 and probably approaching 2,000,000 dollars is not hard to get to. Speaker 500:26:06Well, so it could be something as high as like $0.15 $0.16 a share in earnings impact. Speaker 100:26:13Yes, it's real money for sure. Speaker 500:26:16Yes, under the 8,000,000 shares. Okay, that's actually pretty meaningful. In the past, you had to subtract the preferred dividends like the number and Tyson touched on this. I had it always drives me crazy because I think Tyson reports his numbers on adjusted and the street picked it up as GAAP. And so they reported it as an earnings miss when in fact, I actually think you were probably in line with Tyson's number. Speaker 500:26:42He can come back on and confirm that if I'm right or wrong. If I'm wrong, he can call me up and laugh at me. But when we're looking at that, that's what about almost $0.12 a quarter, roughly $0.47 $0.48 a year. When we go going forward, when you get this, are you going to restate past earnings or is this all going to come out in that kind of make whole adjustment? Yes. Speaker 500:27:09So Speaker 100:27:11don't hold me to this. It's similar. We're still researching as to the proper way to do it because there's not clear guidance on some of this. I suspect EPS will be restated. And there will be a, I think, a really strange looking adjustment in EPS in the Q1. Speaker 100:27:29This $15,000,000 charge to return to earnings or approximate $15,000,000 actually will get reflected in EPS in that quarter, which was kind of meaningless. But that's we think that's why GAAP says to do. Speaker 500:27:43Yes. And all I would say is, break out whatever that number is so that even Bloomberg can pick it up and be right with it. You've talked about in the comments you made, you talked about the fact that you saw the second half being slightly better than the first half. Can you tell us what number you're working on for the first half? When I'm looking at reported GAAP numbers, I have you earning about $0.58 When I adjust for the preferred dividends, I add that back, I get $0.24 added to that. Speaker 500:28:17So I'm talking about something that's in the $0.81 range. What do you see as the second half? I mean, what should I be benchmarking slightly better against? Is it $0.57 Is it a different number? When I'm going to compare apples to apples, what should I be using as my first apple? Speaker 100:28:36So Ross, to be quite frank, what Mike was alluding to a revenue level. And so roughly $20,000,000 of revenue, maybe just below that in the first half. So that's what I was comparing to and then just kind of do the math off of that as to what the EPS looks like. So I wasn't trying to do it from an EPS standpoint or from a net earnings standpoint. Speaker 500:28:58Is there anything in the first half of the year that was uniquely one time that we should be backing out to get that base level before we add back the preferred dividend? Speaker 100:29:09I don't think anything. No, nothing really unusual. Again, there's some seasonality in some of our costs, G and A costs that we've talked about in the past. So nothing out of the ordinary. Speaker 500:29:21Okay, cool. So that's a really nice setup for the second half of this year. Also your press release, the last line in it was interesting to me. You made comment is a little sentence is, this is an important step for mind. It simplifies our capital structure. Speaker 500:29:38It's actually the last two sentences. I went to public school, forgive me. And in my opinion, set the stage for creating meaningful stockholder value. Will you go into some more color on how you see that value being realized? Is this setting up a situation where obviously we're going to have much better earnings, a clean balance sheet that creates one level of value? Speaker 500:30:03But does this also create a situation where strategically you think that it will be easier for people to look at mined and value it appropriately and come up with a number that will be found acceptable to all shareholders in the past. The problem we had is the first roughly $50,000,000 was going to the preferred holders, which left very little for the common holders, but now we're all in the same boat. So I'd love to get more insight into what your thinking is behind those two sentences. Speaker 100:30:36Sure. There's a couple of aspects to that, Ross. Certainly, there's just the math of it or the corporate finance aspects of it that you alluded to. And that I think, this is my opinion, I think that people did really understand how to value or how to what calculus to use in determining what's the impact of the deferred on the common. So I think taking that uncertainty away clarifies things. Speaker 100:31:04I also think it gives us some great more flexibility in growing the company. We're a small, very small company. We need to be bigger. And there's different ways to get bigger. And I think having this uncertainty out of the way and this confusion perhaps out of the way makes it easier for us to do other things, be it raise other capital to grow or maybe look for other partners to do things with. Speaker 100:31:32So just gives us a lot more flexibility to do lots of different things. Speaker 500:31:37Well, thank you. And I would agree, I mean, if you just look at if you put a 10 multiple on the preferred dividend, you have a stock that should be closer to 5, not 4 or 3.5. So that alone creates and then we talked about the public company costs. I mean, there's a huge amount of value here. This company is clearly worth a lot more than $3.5 or $4 a share. Speaker 500:31:58And I want to I'll leave you with I want to thank you. I know, as I said, you worked very hard on getting this done. There was you and I didn't always support or agree with how you were handling this. But in the end, I think you created something that should unlock a tremendous amount of value. And you and your board, your leadership team are to be commended for quite honestly sticking to something that most people would have walked away from. Speaker 100:32:23Okay. Thanks, Russell. Appreciate that. Operator00:32:28Our next question is from Sam Schwartz with Caliber Management. Please proceed. Speaker 600:32:35Hi, good morning. Excellent report. So good to read and congratulations on the turnaround and looking forward. I have one particular question you don't seem to focus on and that is Mine Technologies involvement in artificial intelligence and your spectral software. I wonder if you could give us a little color on what's going on there? Speaker 100:33:07Sure. That's something we developed in connection with our client operation initially. Of course, we've sold that, but we retained that IP in the transaction, but then had sublicensed that back to mine and General Oceans, the buyer, as it relates to certain applications, specifically side scan sonar. So right now, we are promoting that in connection with our agreement, our collaboration agreement with General Oceans. It's early days. Speaker 100:33:41The revenue from it has been de minimis. I mean, just a few tens of 1,000 of dollars so far. But I think it's something that's pretty interesting and that the companies who have looked at it and it's in the hands of a couple of significant customers around the world right now. The feedback is very positive that there are some unique things about this software suite. There's lots of ATR, automatic target recognition software out there, lots of AI models out there. Speaker 100:34:19But there's some things about this as it relates to data handling and ability to develop new models, which we think is unique. So we think there's an interesting opportunity there, but it is very early days and we're still exploring the best way to exploit that. It's not going to be a $50,000,000 a year business, but it doesn't need to be. If it can be something much smaller than that, I think it could add some pretty meaningful value to it. So it's one of those things that you can't bet the bank on it right now, but I think it's some interesting upside for us that we're trying to pursue. Speaker 600:35:00Great. Thank you very much. Operator00:35:04We have reached the end of our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for closing remarks. Speaker 400:35:12Okay. Thanks very much. Speaker 100:35:13I'd like to thank everybody for joining us this morning and taking time to learn about kind of where we stand today and where we're going forward. We look forward to visiting you at the end of our Q3 in a few weeks. Thanks very much. Operator00:35:27Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and thank you for your participation.Read morePowered by