Enbridge Q4 2024 Earnings Report

Enbridge EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.75
• Consensus EPS: $0.52
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.23
• One Year Ago EPS: $0.64

Enbridge Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $11.59 billion
• Expected Revenue: $4.78 billion
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$6.81 billion
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

Enbridge Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q4 2024
• Date: 2/14/2025
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Friday, February 14, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 9:00AM ET

Enbridge (NYSE:ENB) is a North American energy infrastructure company specializing in the transportation, distribution and generation of energy products. It operates one of the world’s longest crude oil and liquids pipeline networks and a robust natural gas transmission grid, offering essential midstream services that support the energy supply chain. The company is publicly traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange and the New York Stock Exchange.

The company’s core operations include a network of over 27,000 miles of pipelines that transport crude oil, natural gas liquids and refined products across Canada and the United States. In addition to its liquids pipelines, Enbridge owns and operates a substantial natural gas transmission system that spans key producing and consuming regions, delivering reliable fuel supply to industrial, commercial and residential customers.

Beyond pipeline transportation, Enbridge has expanded into renewable energy generation and utility services. Its portfolio includes onshore wind and solar projects, geothermal development and hydrogen initiatives. The company also provides gas distribution services through regulated utilities in several Canadian provinces, supporting both urban and rural communities with safe and efficient energy delivery.

Founded in 1949 as Interprovincial Pipe Line, Enbridge is headquartered in Calgary, Alberta. Over its history, it has evolved into a diversified energy infrastructure platform serving markets in Canada and the United States. Al Monaco has served as President and Chief Executive Officer since 2012, guiding Enbridge’s strategic growth and commitment to operational excellence and sustainability.

Enbridge Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Enbridge delivered record 2024 EBITDA with a 13% increase over 2023, record DCF per share and a 37% total shareholder return.
• Closed the acquisition of three U.S. natural gas utilities and three strategic Permian and Gulf Coast asset tuck-ins, creating the largest gas utility franchise in North America and expanding its integrated oil footprint.
• Added over $8 billion of organic projects to its backlog—now including ~$3 billion of annual utility investments—and completed ~$3.2 billion in asset sales, maintaining a targeted leverage of 4.5–5×.
• Maintained a low-risk business model with take-or-pay contracts, regulated returns and long-term PPAs, achieving guidance for the 19th consecutive year despite macroeconomic challenges.
• Reaffirmed 2025 guidance of $19.4–20 billion EBITDA and $5.50–5.90 DCF per share, driven by new assets in service, full-year utility contributions and ongoing cost savings.

Presentation

[Rebecca Morley, Vice President of Investor Relations at Enbridge]

morning, and welcome to the Enbridge Inc. Fourth Quarter twenty twenty four Financial Results Conference Call. My name is Rebecca Morley, and I'm the Vice President of Investor Relations. Joining me this morning are Greg Ebel, President and CEO Pat Murray, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer and the heads of each of our business units Colin Grunding, Liquids Pipelines Cynthia Hansen, Gas Transmission and Midstream Michelle Herrides, Gas Distribution and Storage and Matthew Ackman, Renewable Power. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode.

[Rebecca Morley, Vice President of Investor Relations at Enbridge]

Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session for the investment community. Please note this conference call is being recorded. As per usual, the call is being webcast and I encourage those listening on the phone to follow along with the supporting slides. We will try to keep the call to roughly one hour and answer as many questions as possible. We will be limiting questions to one plus a single follow-up if necessary.

[Rebecca Morley, Vice President of Investor Relations at Enbridge]

We'll prioritize questions from the investment community, so if you are a member of the media, please direct your inquiries to our Communications team who would be happy to assist you. As always, our Investor Relations team will be available following the call for any follow-up questions. On to Slide two, where I will remind you that we will be referring to forward looking information in today's presentation and Q and A. By its nature, this information contains forecast assumptions and expectations about future outcomes, which are subject to the risks and uncertainties outlined here and discussed more fully in our public disclosure filings. We'll also be referring to non GAAP measures summarized below.

[Rebecca Morley, Vice President of Investor Relations at Enbridge]

And with that, I'll turn it over to Greg Ebel.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

Well, thanks very much, Rebecca, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us as we look back on record fourth quarter and full year earnings. We're going to start today by recapping the many milestones we achieved in 2024. Then I'd like to speak to Enbridge's performance through all market cycles and the benefits of our low risk business model. From there, I'll showcase how we are positioned to meet the increasing power generation and industrial needs of our customers in North America.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

We will then jump into updates for each of our business units. Pat will walk everyone through the quarter's financial highlights and capital allocation priorities. And lastly, I'll close the presentation with a final note on our value proposition before we open the calls for your questions. We delivered record EBITDA and DCF per share in 2024, with new assets and continued customer demand contributing to a 13% increase in EBITDA over 2023. In December, we increased our dividend for the thirtieth consecutive year, extending our status as one of the only dividend aristocrats in our sector.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

And while I'm pleased that Enbridge delivered a 37% total shareholder return to investors in 2024, I'm even more pleased that our business model will continue to generate strong returns for our shareholders as we advance our strategic priorities. On the growth front, we closed the acquisition of three premier U. S. Natural gas utilities, creating the largest gas utility franchise in North America. We also announced three highly strategic tuck in acquisitions of Permian and Gulf Coast assets, building on our integrated oil footprint and establishing a meaningful natural gas presence in the region.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

Across the business, we added over $8,000,000,000 of organic projects to our backlog, diversified across all four of our franchises. That backlog now includes approximately $3,000,000,000 of annual utility investment, earning strong returns under quick cycle capital riders and regulated return frameworks. Prudent capital recycling remains an important part of our business model, allowing us to opportunistically surface value for shareholders. And in April, we closed the sale of our interest in Alliance and Oksavo and subsequently announced the sale of our interest in the East To West High Line for combined proceeds of approximately $3,200,000,000 Our long held leverage target of 4.5 times to five times continues to be the sweet spot for Enbridge, and we expect full year contributions from our recently acquired and in service assets to benefit this metric through 2025. We'll continue to equity self fund up to $8,000,000,000 to $9,000,000,000 of growth projects annually, staying within our debt to EBITDA ratio, while supporting future growth for Enbridge and driving returns for shareholders. Now let's spend a minute reviewing our low risk business model that allows us to perform so consistently. 2024 marks Enbridge's nineteenth consecutive year of achieving guidance, underscoring the stability of our business despite the myriad of macroeconomic challenges we've seen these past two decades. And looking ahead with the uncertainty around North American trade relations, I want to remind everyone how each franchise has a commercial framework that will ensure reliable low risk cash flows. In liquids, the mainline is supported by an ROE performance collar and a progressive toll ratchet on Line three surcharge, providing two forms of volume protection.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

And the rest of our liquid systems are predominantly underpinned by long term take or pay contracts. In our gas transmission business, our pipelines operate under a mix of cost of service frameworks and negotiated take or pay rates, delivering over 24 Bcf per day of natural gas to customers. Our utility business is fully regulated with flow through cost structures, inclusive of the cost of natural gas supply. And in renewables, our projects are backed by long term power purchase agreements with high quality customers and governments. Our commitments to discipline gives us confidence that we can extend our track record of meeting financial guidance, steadily growing our dividend and continuing to create value for our investors.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

Now let's spend a minute talking about how we're positioned to meet increasing natural gas infrastructure demand and serve our customers. Enbridge is the only major midstream company with a portfolio that offers long haul gas transmission, the reliability of utility infrastructure and the emissions benefits of renewable power. This unique combination allows us to provide diverse and comprehensive energy solutions for electric power that not only meet the affordability and reliability needs of customers, but also support their long term sustainability goals as well. In 2024, we added over $5,000,000,000 of gas and renewable projects. Those include pipeline projects for more than two gigawatts of new natural gas generation in Tennessee and Carolina a new Permian gas egress pipeline, which directly supports U.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

S. Gulf Coast LNG two sets of offshore pipelines in The Gulf and the sanctioning of approximately 1.2 gigawatts of solar in Ohio and Texas. We're pleased with what we've delivered so far and we expect we'll be able to continue sanctioning attractive projects across each of our franchises. Now I'll jump into the business update starting with liquids. 2024 was a milestone year for LP with record annual volumes on Grey Oak, Ingleside and Flanagan South.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

We fully expect that under all Canada U. S. Trade relation outcomes, Canadian oil will continue to flow south and our mainline is the vital conduit, supplying downstream demand centers across the continent and ensuring energy security for millions of North American consumers and workers. As we expected, the mainline experienced strong volumes all year, averaging throughput of 3,100,000 barrels per day even with TMX entering service. In addition, the mainline has been back in apportionment since November, reflecting continued strong demand for our system.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

And that demand, alongside our operational excellence, has us earning near the upper end of our ROE collar, earlier than expected. As the basin grows, we continue to advance conversations with customers to develop additional WCSB egress for late twenty twenty six, early '20 '20 '7 and later in the decade. Additionally, we also signed a letter of intent with the government of Alberta to accelerate future expansion opportunities across our system and support their growth ambitions. And in order to bring more condensate to Canada, we're proceeding with a very capital efficient customer backed expansion of Southern Lights pipeline. Earlier this year, we announced 120,000 barrel per day expansion of the Grey Oak pipeline to support growing demand from shippers seeking delivery to Corpus Christi where our Ingleside facility is located.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

We're expanding our storage offering at Ingleside to support those additional volumes on Grey Oak and we also acquired and plumbed in two nearby docks, which dramatically increased Ingleside's VLCC loading windows. All told, our liquids franchise is positioned to grow and provide industry leading service to customers across the continent. Our gas transmission business experienced another year of high utilization in 2024 and that's continuing into 2025 and once again we are 100 re contracted on our gas pipes this year. In fact, we've already seen a few new throughput records on our systems over the last few weeks. Our total U.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

S. Transmission system recorded its two highest delivery days ever in January, supported by all time highs on Maritimes and Northeast U. S. As well as a couple of top ten days on Texas Eastern and Algonquin. 2 of our storage facilities, Eagan Hub and Moss Bluff, recorded some of their highest ever daily withdrawals in January as well.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

During 2024, we sanctioned approximately $4,000,000,000 of new capital projects, predominantly focused around The U. S. Gulf Coast infrastructure, extending our growth backlog through the decade. The U. S.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

Federal government has now announced reversal of the LNG pause on non FTA facilities and that's bolstered our confidence in other LNG expansion opportunities. And in the fourth quarter, we placed the Venice extension project into service and it's now supplying natural gas to the Plaquemines LNG terminal in Louisiana. We also completed a 6.5 Bcf expansion of Tres Palachos gas storage facility in Texas, enhancing our competitive service offering for Gulf Coast customers along our Texas Eastern system. In the Permian, we purchased a 19% interest in the Whistler joint venture, partnering with Whitewater Midstream and MPLX in establishing an integrated and growing natural gas footprint in the area. Alongside these partners, we sanctioned the Blackcomb pipeline, which is expected to enter service in 2026 and provide up to 2.5 Bcf per day of natural gas egress out of the Permian Basin.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

And in third quarter, we announced our acquisition of a 15% stake in the DBR system, a key conduit for the Worcester pipeline. These investments will drive growth opportunities through the decade. On the regulatory front, we recently received approval from the Canadian Energy Regulator for our $1,200,000,000 Aspen Point T North expansion, ensuring capacity to serve growing LNG demand on our BC pipe system. And in The U. S, we reached and filed a negotiated settlement with customers on Texas Eastern, as well as reaching settlements in principle on both Algonquin Gas Transmission and Maritimes U.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

S. New rates on Texas Eastern have been in effect since 10/01/2024, and we expect FERC approval of the AGT and Maritimes and Northeast settlements later this year. Now let's turn to GDS. The utility franchise has approximately doubled in size this year, having brought Enbridge Gas Ohio, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming and North Carolina in house. The gas distribution and storage business is now delivering over nine BCF per day of gas to over 7,000,000 customers.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

Our team is working every day to deliver reliable and affordable natural gas to these customers and we continue to invest in key infrastructure across North America to meet growing customer demand. To that point, both Enbridge Gas North Carolina and Ohio both hit new daily all time throughput records last month. Enbridge Gas Utah moved its fourth highest daily gas throughput in history. And Enbridge Gas Ontario delivered a single day record from the most gas storage withdrawals out of Don Hub. Each of our four utilities are critically important to their markets and we expect to invest about $3,000,000,000 annually across our utility franchise, earning strong returns under quick cycle capital frameworks.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

For example, here are a few of our larger utility projects underway. At our Ontario utility, we anticipate sanctioning the Saint Laurent pipeline project in the coming months, a $200,000,000 multi phase development enhancing our existing footprint in Ottawa. North Carolina has two exciting projects to highlight this quarter. The T15 project will serve Duke Energy's new Roxboro natural gas power generation plant and Moriah establishes an LNG gasification facility in Person County to support system reliability. Both are great examples of essential in footprint developments ensuring reliable and growing service offerings for customers.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

We are making strong progress integrating all the new assets into the Enbridge family. Now let's jump into renewables before passing off to Pat. Throughout 2024, we advanced our renewables platform under our utility like business model. We're pursuing growing projects with high quality blue chip customers that are in strong risk adjusted investment returns. In 2024, we sanctioned approximately 1.2 net gigawatts of new quick cycle solar projects and almost 20% of that capacity is already operating.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

I'm excited to announce that the entire Fox Squirrel facility in Ohio is now in service, generating five seventy seven megawatts of renewable power under long term contracts with Amazon. Earlier this year, we sanctioned the Orange Grove Solar Project, which will generate 130 megawatts of power under long term agreements with AT and T and support the growing electric generation needs of the ERCOT market. We also sanctioned the Sequoia solar project in Texas, which is supported by power purchase agreements with customers including AT and T and Toyota. In Europe, we continue to advance our offshore portfolio having placed FEHCOM and Provence Grand Large into service in 2024. Both those facilities are supported by long term PPAs with EDF.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

Manufacturing is largely completed for Calvados and the drilling campaign is underway. We now expect the project to enter service in 2027, which is later than our original schedule. With that, I'll pass it off to Pat to review our financial performance.

[Patrick Murray, Executive VP & CFO at Enbridge]

Good morning, everyone. Thank you, Greg. This has been a busy year for us and I'm pleased to report record fourth quarter and full year EBITDA and DCF per share. For the quarter, EBITDA increased considerably to over $5,100,000,000 reflecting an over $1,000,000,000 increase from the same period last year. Our DCF per share for the quarter rose to $1.41 an approximately 10% increase over last year and our adjusted earnings per share rose to $0.75 per share reflecting a 17% increase over the same timeframe.

[Patrick Murray, Executive VP & CFO at Enbridge]

Liquids EBITDA benefited from toll escalators on the mainline, strong throughput on our Gulf Coast and Mid Continent assets and lower power costs. That was partially offset by lower ex Gretna volumes. Although 2024 was stronger than we anticipated, '23 had realized a record fourth quarter. Gas transmission was up significantly from 2023, owing to contributions from the Whistler JV, Tomorrow RNG, Aiken Creek, as well as TETCO rate settlement taking effect on October 1. And as a reminder, we achieved that GTM growth despite the sale of our interest in the Alliance and Aux Sable partnerships in the second quarter of twenty twenty four.

[Patrick Murray, Executive VP & CFO at Enbridge]

For the first time, our gas distribution business reflects a full quarter of EBITDA from all three U. S. LDCs acquired in 2024. This drives the $500,000,000 or so of year over year increase within the segment. In Renewable Power, we recognized another tranche of investment tax credits relating to the Fox Squirrel Phase II, alongside a full quarter of contributions from our higher interest in Hoe Hee Sea and Albatross assets acquired in Q4 twenty twenty three.

[Patrick Murray, Executive VP & CFO at Enbridge]

Below the line, higher average rate and debt balances from the closure of the various U. S. Utilities resulted in higher financing costs in the fourth quarter compared to last year. Reflecting on full year results, 2024 EBITDA exceeded our recast guidance range, supported by strong utilization and demand across all franchises as well as a weakening CAD to U. S.

[Patrick Murray, Executive VP & CFO at Enbridge]

Foreign exchange rate. For DCF, we finished the year just below our guidance midpoint despite pre funding The U. S. Gas utilities, a great outcome and a testament to the growth within our business. As Greg mentioned earlier, this marks our nineteenth consecutive year achieving or exceeding our financial guidance and while it's early, we're currently on pace to extend that track record in 2025.

[Patrick Murray, Executive VP & CFO at Enbridge]

On that note, I'm pleased to reaffirm the 2025 guidance we provided in December. We continue to expect adjusted EBITDA between $19,400,000,000 and $20,000,000,000 and DCF per share of $5.5 to $5.9 per share. Full year LDC contributions, new assets in service and continued cost saving initiatives are expected to drive the majority of the growth in 2025. Although early, so far the mainline has been in portion meant all year, we've experienced colder weather in Ontario, and the current strength of the U. S.

[Patrick Murray, Executive VP & CFO at Enbridge]

Dollar could be tailwinds if experienced for the entire year. These could be partially offset by a slower than expected decline in U. S. Interest rates. I'm also reaffirming our mid term outlook and look forward to discussing this with the investment community in a few weeks at our upcoming Investor Day.

[Patrick Murray, Executive VP & CFO at Enbridge]

Now I'll close my remarks with a refresher on our long held commitment to capital discipline before passing it back to Greg. Our three pillar approach to capital allocation is unchanged in 2025. The balance sheet will remain strictly in focus with our financial guardrails governing all investment decisions. We expect full year contributions from the U. S.

[Patrick Murray, Executive VP & CFO at Enbridge]

Gas Utilities that closed in 2024 to benefit our leverage metric in 2025. A thoughtful capital recycling program has been a cornerstone of our business for decades and we successfully recycled over $15,000,000,000 of assets since 2014, including our recently announced East West High Line sale. Sustainably returning capital via low risk dividend is a hallmark of our investment offering. We're committed to growing the dividend supported by our diversified and high quality cash flow profile. Lastly, on growth, you can expect us to prioritize brownfield investment at low multiples when sanctioning new projects to supplement our backlog.

[Patrick Murray, Executive VP & CFO at Enbridge]

Our capital backlog now sits at $26,000,000,000 with $5,000,000,000 of assets placed into service in 2024 and $8,000,000,000 of newly sanctioned projects added through 2029. As always, a special thank you to all the team members for delivering on another exceptional year. With that, I'll pass it back to Greg to finish the presentation.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

Well, thanks very much, Ben. And again, 2024 caps off a record year of financial and operational performance here at Enbridge. Our steadily growing dividend supported by a utility like cash flow profile remains a cornerstone of our investment offering as demonstrated by thirty years of consecutive dividend increases. The complementary nature of our overlapping businesses will continue to drive growth, enable optimization and enhance our opportunity set through the decade. Enbridge is a first choice investment opportunity, offering an attractive yield alongside visible, long term growth that is largely insulated from economic gyrations.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

Before we close, I'll remind everyone to please join us on March 4 for our annual Investor Day in New York. The team is excited to see you and share the opportunities being realized across the organization and driving our future growth. With that, I'd like to thank you all for listening. And operator, please open the lines for questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Your first question comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet from JPMorgan. Your line is open.

[Jeremy Tonet, Equity Research Analyst, Executive Director at JP Morgan]

Hi, good morning.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

Good morning, Jeremy.

[Jeremy Tonet, Equity Research Analyst, Executive Director at JP Morgan]

Also wanted to send the team a happy Valentine's Day as well. Just curious, I guess, with WCSB production and growth opportunities there and initiatives, I guess, out of Alberta, if you could talk a bit more on how you see that, I guess, unfolding over what type of timeframe and how large could this actually scale over time in your view?

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

Yes. Maybe I'll just start, but I'll turn it over to Colin very quickly here. But you're on it, and we'll send the love back to you too on Valentine's Day. But I will say you're really seeing great opportunities in production growth. And we're looking at a lot of quick hit permit light, low multiple brownfield type activities on the liquids front to serve the markets on both sides of the border.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

So, you're going to hear more about that during Investor Day. But Colin, do you want to speak to a little bit what we've been doing in the last month or so?

[Colin Gruending, Executive VP & President of Liquids Pipelines at Enbridge]

Yes. I mean, it's only been good morning, Jeremy. It's only been about a month since that announcement. I mean, working a few percent even before then. I would view that announcement as an endorsement of our role and our playbook.

[Colin Gruending, Executive VP & President of Liquids Pipelines at Enbridge]

We'll look to tell you a whole bunch more in a couple of weeks, I never say, but maybe zoom out a bit further. FIDing a number of projects in the calendar year. Fundamentally, I think production is surprising to the upside, not huge capital projects by our customers, but as you've been reading lots of debottlenecking and optimizations, potentially rerating that kit. And then on demand side, strong as well. So it's shaping up well and there's infrastructure opportunities from tip to stern, regionally, mainline, market access and export. We'll tell you more.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

Yes. And Jeremy, kind of like my opening comments I mentioned, it's just one aspect that gives us really great confidence about continuing our growth right through the decade. And equally, you would have seen apportionment the last few months. So not only are the pipes being used, but the requirements for more are definitely there. So look forward to talk about that further in a couple of weeks.

[Jeremy Tonet, Equity Research Analyst, Executive Director at JP Morgan]

Got it. We will wait for more details then. And at the risk of a question that might be more fully answered at Analyst Day as well, just wondering with the new regime within D. C. And different policies towards energy and energy infrastructure development in general, wondering if you could share any thoughts on what that means for Enbridge, particularly around Line 5 or otherwise?

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

Yes, sure. Well, I think the first and foremost thing and you've heard us say this and others as well, but we've got the portfolio that backs it up. It's an all of the above energy solution that's going to be needed. So if you've got liquids, if you've got natural gas assets and you've got power assets, it's on. If you've got export assets, it's on.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

So we've got all those pieces. So I think that's positive. I think a more rational approach to sustainability issues, taxation, permitting reform. I would expect all those are going to be pretty critical to us. And we're already seeing it, again, just with requests for, and you probably see it on our deck, requests for things like gas generation, as Colin just mentioned on the oil side.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

I think that's going to be extremely positive. We've sure, let's get into it. We've got tariff concerns out there, but there's such a hardwiring of the energy system in North America. We just don't see that as a material impact. And I think given what we're seeing from customers, that's actually bearing out in reality and we're going to see it happen on the investment side as

[Jeremy Tonet, Equity Research Analyst, Executive Director at JP Morgan]

well. Great. That's helpful. See you guys in a few weeks. Thanks, Jeremy.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Robert Catellier from CIBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

[Robert Catellier, Energy Infrastructure Analyst at CIBC Capital Markets]

Hey, good morning, everyone. I want to continue on the liquid side here. I wondered if you could comment on the discourse that has been popping up about the need to diversify our markets for energy. In the event that Canada develops the political well, can you indicate your appetite and under what circumstances should invest in a long haul liquids pipeline in Canada such as Northern Gateway or even a line going east?

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

Sure. Thanks, Rob. Look, that's a really thoughtful question and we've obviously given a lot of thought to that. I will start by saying that we're really focused intently more on broader themes, macro trends like production, demand growth, earnings, returns on capital, then day to day political gyrations. But that said, we're not blind to the trade discussions and disputes.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

But real sustainable trends aren't made in a day or a month, takes a long time. So again, that's why we're focused on some of the stuff we were just talking about, in terms of relatively low capital short plays. And that's going to be the reality for a long time to come. Gas, oil, energy is going to move north and south, more than it does east and west. But specifically say to Northern Gateway, I'm really pleased to see Canadian policymakers focused on that issue and realizing the true benefits of diverse markets.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

We've pitched that for a long time and I think our views on LNG and liquids exports are well known. We've said for years that we've been missing the boat, pun intended, on that for a long time. We worked really hard on Northern Gateway First time around, right, in service, hopefully for Canadians. We had permits, we had regulatory approvals, indigenous participation, strong customer support. Unfortunately, that project was cut short by the federal government, which really cost us hundreds of millions of dollars, and our investors that, right?

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

So that's a powerful learning. So for us to be willing to seriously consider reinvesting in a project like that, whether it's east or west or just west, we need to see real change on numerous fronts. Let me tell you about that. One, things like, what Premier Smith in Alberta has been doing in terms of making positive moves to commit volumes on some of these major pipes and seeking internal solutions to energy mobility in Canada and North America, we would need to see real legislative change at the federal and provincial government level that specifically identifies major infrastructure projects like Northern Gateway as being in the national interest and therefore legally required. Lake Sea permitting changes and for example, they're eliminating C-sixty nine, C-fifty nine all that would be a positive indicator for a change in the trend towards energy infrastructure.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

Another example, you got to see, support for energy production as opposed to reducing it, which you see through emission caps and carbon tax. More indigenous consultation engagement and direct participation via loan guarantees that frankly, that loan guarantee program that exists now would be way too small for meaningful projects on that front. And we believe you'd likely need CapEx cost and reasonable return trackers to ensure you could actually attract the kind of capital we're talking about to such projects. So, Robert, it's a lot of coordinated federal and pan provincial legislative and regulatory action would be required before we think investors, management teams or customers would be able to green light such projects. Lots of talk from governments and policymakers, which is great.

[Gregory Ebel, President and CEO at Enbridge]

They're saying the right things, but it's going to take real actions, laws, regulation to attract the capital in our view.

[Robert Catellier, Energy Infrastructure Analyst at CIBC Capital Markets]

That's a great answer. And I can only hope that the politicians understand the need for a better, risk transfer mechanism to undertake these massive projects given the history. Amen. So just another quick one here on the renewables. I'm just curious, if you're seeing anything coming out of the Trump administration that maybe you could just update your outlook for what you expect on onshore renewables under the new administration and what it could mean for reducing the gap between your DCF per share and the other per share metrics.

Participants

Executives

• Rebecca Morley, Vice President of Investor Relations
• Gregory Ebel, President and CEO
• Patrick Murray, Executive VP & CFO
• Colin Gruending, Executive VP & President of Liquids Pipelines

Analysts

• Jeremy Tonet, Equity Research Analyst, Executive Director at JP Morgan
• Robert Catellier, Energy Infrastructure Analyst at CIBC Capital Markets