Legacy Housing Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Legacy Housing Corporation Full Year twenty twenty four Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To participate, you will need to press Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. Now it's my pleasure to turn the call over to our CEO, Duncan Bates.

Operator

Please proceed.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Good morning. This is Duncan Bates, Legacy's President and CEO. Thank you for joining our call to discuss Legacy's year end twenty twenty four results. Results. Max Afrik, Legacy's General Counsel, will read the Safe Harbor disclosure before getting started.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Max?

Max Africk
Max Africk
General Counsel at Legacy Housing Corporation

Thanks, Duncan. Before we begin, I will remind our listeners that management's prepared remarks today will contain forward looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties, and management may make additional forward looking statements in response to your questions. Therefore, the company claims the protection of the Safe Harbor for forward looking statements that is contained in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ from management's current expectations and any projections as to the company's future performance represent management's best estimates as of today's call. Legacy assumes no obligation to update these projections in the future unless otherwise required by applicable law.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Thanks, Max. I'm joined today by Jeff Fiedleman, Legacy's Chief Financial Officer. Jeff will discuss our 2024 financial performance, then I will provide additional corporate updates and open the call for Q and A. Jeff?

Jeffrey Fiedelman
Jeffrey Fiedelman
Chief Financial Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Thanks, Duncan. Product sales decreased $15,800,000 or 10.9% in 2024 as compared to 2023. This decrease was driven primarily by a decrease in unit volume shipped, primarily in direct sales and inventory finance sales categories. In 2024, our net revenue per product sold increased 1.9% as compared to 2023, primarily because of a moderate increase in unit prices. Consumer MHP and dealer loans interest income increased $3,800,000 or 10.1% from 2023 to 2024 due to growth in our loan portfolios.

Jeffrey Fiedelman
Jeffrey Fiedelman
Chief Financial Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

This increase was driven primarily by increased balances in the MHP and consumer loan portfolios. Between 12/31/2024 and 12/31/2023, our consumer loan portfolio increased by $17,600,000 our MHP loan portfolio increased by $24,500,000 and our dealer finance notes balance did not change. The change in the balance of our MHP loan portfolio is primarily due to a settlement agreement we reached with a significant borrower as discussed in our 10 ks. Other revenue primarily consists of contract deposit forfeitures, consignment fees, commercial lease rents, land sales, service fees and other miscellaneous income and increased $7,000,000 or 106.3% from 2023 to 2024. This increase was primarily due to $8,900,000 in land sales related to the Forest Hollow mobile home community and the property in Marble Falls, Texas 0 Point 5 Million Dollars in rental income from our mobile home park properties, partially offset by a $1,500,000 decrease in forfeited deposits, a 600,000 decrease in rental income from leased mobile homes and a $300,000 decrease in other miscellaneous revenue.

Jeffrey Fiedelman
Jeffrey Fiedelman
Chief Financial Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

The cost of product sales decreased $9,600,000 or 9.7% in 2024 as compared to 2023. The decrease in costs is primarily related to a decrease in units sold. Gross profit margin was 30.4% of product sales during 2024 as compared to 31.3% during 2023. The cost of other sales was $8,200,000 in 2024 and primarily reflects the cost associated with our land sales. Selling, general and administrative expenses decreased $1,100,000 or 4.4% in 2024 as compared to 2023.

Jeffrey Fiedelman
Jeffrey Fiedelman
Chief Financial Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

This decrease was primarily due to a 1,400,000 decrease in warranty costs, a $400,000 decrease in consulting and professional fees, and a $400,000 decrease in salaries and benefit costs, partially offset by a $400,000 increase in real estate taxes and a net 700,000 increase in other miscellaneous costs. Other income expense net increased by $8,300,000 in 2024 as compared to 2023. We had an $8,500,000 increase in miscellaneous net primarily due to: one, gains related to the settlement agreement described discussed above two, a gain on the sale of property in Georgia three, gains related to properties acquired through foreclosure and four, reversals of certain balance sheet liabilities. We had a $400,000 decrease in interest income on other notes and a 200,000 decrease in interest expense. Net income increased 13.2% to $61,600,000 in 2024 compared to 2023.

Jeffrey Fiedelman
Jeffrey Fiedelman
Chief Financial Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Basic earnings per share increased $0.32 per share or 14.3% in 2024 compared to 2023. As of 12/31/2024, we had approximately $1,100,000 in cash compared to $700,000 as of 12/31/2023. The outstanding balance of the revolver as of 12/31/2024 and 12/31/2023 was 0 and $23,700,000 respectively. At the end of 2024, legacy's book value per basic share outstanding was $20.4 an increase of 13.9% from the year ended 2023.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Thanks, Jeff. Before I run through my notes, I want to acknowledge that there's a lot of noise and uncertainty in the market right now. Politics, tariffs, recession risks, interest rate considerations, etcetera. Many of the call participants are long term investors in legacy housing. I don't know how 2025 will shake out, but I can assure you that our team will be in the office every day, managing the business closely and making adjustments as needed.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

We continue to believe in the long term fundamentals of manufactured housing and the value proposition that legacy housing provides its customers. High quality, affordable homes combined with financing solutions that keep monthly payments low. Our target market of homebuyers consists of households with total annual income below $75,000 which comprised 47% of total U. S. Households in 2023.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

This group, nearly half of all households in The United States, has been severely impacted by increasing rental rates, higher prices for site built homes, elevated mortgage rates and stagnant wage growth. A few data points from yesterday's 10 ks filing. The average price for a new single family home in 2023 was $511,000 including the land compared to a manufactured home of $123,000 In 02/2005, '20 years ago, approximately 18% of new single family homes sold in The United States were under 150,000 Today, it's essentially zero. Legacy's average selling price in 2024 was approximately $61,000 per unit, up from $60,000 in 2023. The vast majority of Legacy's business is wholesale, but even with the retail markup and other expenses, our homes and financing solutions provide an affordable alternative to site built homes, which a large portion of households in our country cannot currently afford.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

We continue to see coverage of factory built housing in the media and hear positive talks of regulatory reform from the new administration. The affordable housing crisis is not solved without the manufactured housing industry. Dealer business across most of our footprint is healthy. We are moving out of a seasonally slow season. The team continues to sign new independent dealers in both our Texas and Southeast markets.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Retail finance fundings in the first quarter of twenty twenty five are tracking well ahead of the 8% growth we saw in 2024. Our community business is improving. As discussed on previous calls, higher interest rates have depressed community transaction volumes, which tends to drive demand for new park model homes. We are receiving more inbound requests for large orders and think the community business will continue to improve in 2025. Legacy's lending portfolios continue to compound.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

For 2024, interest revenue from MHP, retail and floor plan financing was $41,200,000 compared to $37,200,000 in 2023. Our delinquencies remain low, although normalizing to pre COVID levels, and recovery rates are strong. In 2024, average interest rates for new retail loans were 1% higher than 2023. Product gross margins were 30.4% in 2024. Under absorbed labor given lower production levels during the year impacted margins.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

We continue to watch labor closely and expect margins to normalize with production improving. We are also keeping a very close eye on material price fluctuations from the tariffs. We pushed through the first price increase since COVID in February of twenty twenty five. During the fourth quarter, Legacy sold one of the mobile home parks that was deeded to us under the settlement agreement. As Jeff mentioned, the sale resulted in a meaningful gain at year end.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

We are setting and renting homes in the second park now to increase occupancy before monetizing. A few updates on land development. We continue to focus on the properties in Austin. In Bastrop County, our 1,100 pad development near Austin, the roads and utilities are nearly complete in Phase one. We still anticipate selling lots in Phase one this summer.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

As I mentioned during our last call, we own 300 developed lots mobile home lots in Horseshoe Bay, Texas. Our dealership nearby in Marble Falls, Texas is now open and we are selling land and homes there. I'm proud of the team's progress this year. We finished 2024 with 33.5% GAAP net income margins, up from 28.8% in 2023. Over the last three years, we have increased book value by nearly 60% to $494,000,000 dollars There's still a lot of work to do though.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

For 2025, we're focused on sales and specifically park sales in Texas and dealer sales in the Southeast, streamlining our product offering, systems, processes and employee retention at our retail business, continuing to monetize non core assets and finishing construction and putting homes on our land in Austin. Legacy's integrated business model provides multiple avenues to generate returns for our shareholders regardless of economic conditions. We are currently in a meaningful net cash position and if our stock trades off this year, we will repurchase shares aggressively. Operator, this concludes our prepared remarks. Please begin the Q and A.

Operator

Thank you so much. And as a reminder to our audience, Thank you. One moment for our first question. It comes from Mark Smith with Lake Street. Please proceed.

Mark Smith
Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC

Hi, guys. I wanted to just dig in a little deeper on land sales during the quarter. If you can give a little more color on kind of the big sale, how it came about, why at that point to make that sale and then future ones potentially coming? It sounds like you're still trying to improve the other one before selling it. And then also just land acquisitions, I think that you guys may have bought some property in Texas during fourth quarter?

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Yes. Hey, Mark. Thanks for the question. Yes, there is only one land sale during the fourth quarter and that was the sale of a mobile home park from the settlement agreement in Beaumont, Texas. So that's the big sale.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Obviously, throughout the year, we did monetize other land that we own, some in Eatonton, as well as down in Horseshoe Bay. And so we are looking at our portfolio closely and if they are non core assets and the price makes sense to monetize them, we will be opportunistic with that going forward.

Mark Smith
Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC

Okay. And did you guys purchase some land in Q4 in Texas?

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

We did not purchase the land. I think what the settlement agreement taught our team is how to foreclose on land. And so there is a meaningful portion of our loan portfolio on the MHP and specifically we call it development loans, but other notes receivable that are secured by land. And if we're tracking borrowers down for payments or notes mature, then we're going to take that land back and we'll monetize it when the price makes sense. But there's a decent amount of equity in that portfolio as well.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

So when we sell it, the returns look pretty good.

Mark Smith
Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC

Okay. And that brings up a good point. Maybe if you can speak broadly about any concerns that investors may have around delinquency, squeeze consumers, kind of a tough environment today on your ability to to take back and kind of be covered if a loan goes bad whether it's MHP or consumer?

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Yes, I think they are a little bit different between the two portfolios. So maybe we start on the retail loan portfolio. We've seen past due balances creep up a little bit, but it's certainly not to a point where we're concerned. And I think what's important to understand is there are several features of that loan portfolio that make the recovery really strong. I mean, one is, you've seen the prices of homes since COVID go up essentially 40%.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

And so if you got a meaningful down payment and somebody has made payments on homes for a period of time, when we're selling we're currently selling repos now for around 100% of the principal that's outstanding on those. The other piece is there are features of that of those loans where we work with our dealers to make sure that we're able to repo houses and resell houses and the economics make sense. On the MHP side, and really the key to both of these portfolios is keeping the monthly payments affordable. If a park owner is able to buy houses from us and finance them through us and we keep their monthly payment low, then they are able to rent that house out to a renter and generate a profit. And as long as they get those houses set up, the numbers work.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

I think where people get into trouble is they take houses, they don't get them set up and they're paying us and not generating rental income. So we keep a close eye on that. And on the MHP side, there's a lot of levers for recovery. And obviously, this year, we tested that in a big way and ultimately didn't flush a dollar of that through our income statement and have had some significant gains as we've monetized those assets.

Mark Smith
Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC

Okay. Next question for me is just looking at changing immigration policies, potential higher deportations. Curious any potential impact this could have both on customers and demand as well as maybe your labor market?

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Yes. I mean, as a public company, I mean, we've been e verifying for years. So everyone we hire goes through that process. I think even with some of the economic indicators down, I think any manufacturer is struggling with labor. And so that's something that we continue to keep a close eye on, but aren't worried about that necessarily impacting our workforce.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

When we finance someone purchasing a home, the underwriting criteria requires certain things from these borrowers and these aren't people that came across the border and decided to buy a mobile home. These are people that have been in the country for years and they have stable jobs and they can afford that house. So while there's noise in the market, we haven't seen a material change in our business from the immigration policies.

Mark Smith
Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC

Perfect. And last one for me. SG and A, certainly down at good healthy levels here. I'm just curious the sustainability and if there's anything we should have on our radar as far as maybe increasing SG and A expenses here in 2025?

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Well, there is as you know, Mark, from covering us for a long time, SG and A is a hot topic with the Board and under a always under a microscope. So we're going to continue to run the business the same way and I don't see any material changes in SG and A.

Mark Smith
Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC

Excellent. Thank you.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Yes. Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Daniel Moore with CJS Securities. Please proceed.

Will Gildea
Equity Research Associate at CJS Securities

Hi. This is Will on for Dan. Can you talk about your expectations for production rates across your three plants for Q1 and first half of twenty twenty five?

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Hey. Yes. Well, like I mentioned in the prepared remarks, I wish I knew I wish I had a crystal ball for 2025, but there's obviously a lot of moving pieces. We've been really focused on ramping up production at our Texas facilities. We're heading into the spring selling season with a good backlog and are heading to a mobile home show next week, we hope to continue to build that backlog.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

So our production is still not where we want it. I think you know but I think ultimately we're moving in the right direction. Georgia is a little bit slower than we'd like. We've continued to grow the park side of the business in Georgia. The dealer slide lags, but we're focused on building a backlog there and ramping production from the levels that we're at right now.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

But overall, I'm comfortable with it, but it's our number one focus right now is ramping up production and getting homes shipped.

Will Gildea
Equity Research Associate at CJS Securities

Thank you. And then just maybe you could add a little bit more color to backlogs exiting this quarter compared to last quarter and year over year?

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Yes. I mean, if you follow the company for as you guys have for the past couple of years, it's been a little choppy, like we took pricing up with COVID. I think our prices were elevated when some of our competitors came off of pricing. And now with tariffs and with the labor market, that pricing is normalized and the backlog looks pretty healthy. We don't report a backlog number, but certainly in Texas, we've got a pretty meaningful backlog and in Georgia, we're working on it.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Thank you very much.

Operator

As I see no further questions in queue, I will turn the call back to Duncan Bates for his final comments.

Duncan Bates
Duncan Bates
President and Chief Executive Officer at Legacy Housing Corporation

Thank you for joining today's earnings call. We appreciate your interest in Legacy Housing. If you're in Biloxi for the Mobile Home Show next week, please come by and see us. Operator, this concludes our call.

Operator

Thank you so much and thank you everyone who participated in today's conference. You may now disconnect.

Executives
    • Duncan Bates
      Duncan Bates
      President and Chief Executive Officer
    • Max Africk
      Max Africk
      General Counsel
    • Jeffrey Fiedelman
      Jeffrey Fiedelman
      Chief Financial Officer
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