PSQ Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • In 2024, Public Square increased revenue fourfold and expanded gross margin from 33% to 61% year-over-year, reflecting strong operational leverage.
  • The Cordova acquisition in March 2024 enabled launch of a cancel-proof payments stack, securing contracts for $2.5 billion+ in signed GMV and building a $10–15 billion pipeline.
  • Public Square’s marketplace hit a record December with 34% higher holiday order volume and doubled conversion rates, achieved even with significantly reduced marketing spend.
  • EveryLife brand revenue grew 276% year-over-year with 76% subscriber growth, delivered its first positive EBITDA month, and surpassed $1 million in monthly sales.
  • For 2025, management forecasts >100% revenue growth, lower operating expenses, and a ~50% reduction in cost of capital via a new asset-backed lending facility.
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Operator

Greetings, and welcome to Public Square's Fourth Quarter and Year End twenty twenty four Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, William Kent, Senior Vice President of Corporate Affairs. Thank you, and you may begin.

William Kent
William Kent
Senior VP - Corporate Affairs at PSQ Holdings

Thank you, Rob. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Public Square's fourth quarter and year end twenty twenty four earnings conference call. Joining me today are Michael Seifer, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Brad Searle, Chief Financial Officer and Dusty Wunderlich, Chief Strategy Officer. Before we get started, we want to emphasize that the information discussed on this call, including our outlook, is based on information as of today and contains forward looking statements that involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions. We undertake no duty or obligation to update such statements as a result of new information or future events.

William Kent
William Kent
Senior VP - Corporate Affairs at PSQ Holdings

Please refer to today's earnings press release and our SEC filings, including our twenty twenty four ten ks filed this afternoon for factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from our forward looking statements. We'd also like to point out that we present non GAAP measures in addition to and not as a substitute for financial measures calculated in accordance with GAAP. I'll now hand the call to Michael. Michael, please go ahead.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Thank you, Will. And welcome, everybody, to our fourth quarter and year end twenty twenty four earnings call. Our many accomplishments in 2024 were significant and have positioned us incredibly well for future success. But before I go any further, I want to say a heartfelt thank you and well done to our team for a successful and impactful 2024. I am convinced that we have the best group of people on the planet to accomplish our vision.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

This is a team that is deeply committed to enhancing the lives of and providing value to our customers, merchants and shareholders. Entering 2024, Public Square looked markedly different from where the business stands today. For all intents and purposes, we had the marketplace, EveryLife and a vision of introducing uncancelable, secure financial technology into the mix. And what a difference a year makes. We have turned vision into reality.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

We've established a firm foundation for future success. And I would like to share some of the notable accomplishments from this past year with you all today. To get started, we're going to look at the company overall. In 2024, we experienced a very notable acquisition. We purchased Cordova in March of twenty twenty four in an all equity transaction, bringing consumer finance products including buy now pay later into our product offering.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

This acquisition was imperative to launch payments in late twenty twenty four and is key to our broader financial technology strategy going forward. More on this in a minute. We strengthened our financial position through a number of strategic financing events, providing our company with the fuel needed to continue building and growing, while adopting a more mature capital structure. We streamlined operating expenses through a strategic restructuring, coinciding with the launch of the Financial Technology division, putting us on a solid footing for growth, while strategically investing in the areas of the business that will drive the most significant return on investment. And most notably, we accomplished everything I just highlighted while increasing revenue four times over the previous year and expanding our gross margin from 33% to 61% across the business.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Now diving a little deeper, first we're going to look at financial technology and I'll start with payments. We developed a fully cancel proof payment stack with advanced tokenization and secure wallet technology that protects customer data and provides peace of mind to the merchants, the business owners within our ecosystem by assuring them that their financial freedoms will never be infringed upon. We secured payment processing contracts in 2024 that could potentially result in over $1,000,000,000 in annualized GMV. And by the way, I'm very excited to share further progress on this front in a moment. Coming out of the gate, we proved to the market and the broader financial technology industry that we mean business by virtue of the fact that our first onboarded client to our payments platform was a $100,000,000 plus merchant.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

And if you know the world of financial technology at all, you know that to launch with a client of that size is extremely rare. In the buy now pay later business, during what was overall a credit challenged year for many, we notably reduced our year over year delinquencies by 29% and our charge offs by 27%. Our average order value in 2024 was $11.94 dollars well in excess of our competitors in the buy now pay later space. When you combine our higher average order value, favorable merchant discount rate, lower delinquencies and lower charge offs, our 2024 credit performance clearly exhibits that we have a better understanding of credit quality and a broader suite of credit offerings to meet consumer and merchant needs than our competitors. Moving to the marketplace.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

We saw continued significant growth by refining our strategy as we headed into the end of the year. We focused on a more curated selection of products to target our core customers better and it worked. December 2024 brought the highest month ever for both order volume and gross sales, continuing the positive momentum built throughout the year. Specifically focusing on the holiday season, I. E.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

November and December, orders were up 34% year over year and conversion more than doubled even with significantly reduced marketing spend as we focused our financial investments on the launch of payment. We moved advertising on the marketplace from a flat fee to a self-service CPM model, reducing costs for our company, expanding our margins and driving a more positive advertiser experience in the process. Over to the brands division. EveryLife, our life affirming baby care brand, experienced 276% year over year revenue growth. This notable performance was driven by year over year subscriber growth of 76, the expansion of the EveryLife ambassador program to over 1,300 members, an increase of over 160% year over year.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

And by the way, just a note here, our ambassadors play a key role in driving brand awareness and customer engagement for the EveryLife brand, helping to drive sales by sharing their personal experiences with EveryLife products and communicating their passion for our mission to their family, friends and community. In EveryLife, we experienced our first month of positive EBITDA in 2024, a major milestone for our brand. Growth in our nonprofit outreach program resulted in nearly 1,000 partners at year end, a greater than 300% increase year over year. Notably, our annual revenue per employee was slightly over $1,000,000 well outperforming our competitors. And finally, one of my favorite stats, 3,198,942 diapers and 2,614,560 wipes were donated in 2024 to parents in desperate need through our Buy for a Cause program.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

We launched complementary products including training pants and soaps and motions, which grew our share of wallet within our customer base and expanded the LTV of our customers. And finally, we saw our first month of over $1,000,000 in every life sales in late twenty twenty four, a figure that has continued to grow monthly. Now I want to turn to 2025. And simply put, we expect another monumental year for the company. While 2024 was focused on setting a foundation for scale, the launch of our fintech division and making a number of strategic investments in key areas of the business, 2025 is focused on monetizing our efforts from 2024.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

We expect to more than double revenue year over year. We expect to reap the benefits of rightsizing our general and administrative and sales and marketing expenses, and we expect to significantly grow our gross merchandise volume or GMV for our payments business. Notably, today, we are already at over $2,500,000,000 in signed payments GMV, more than doubling where we exited 2024 only ten weeks ago. So how will we increase the monetization of our ecosystem in 2025? First, we expect to grow our payments business significantly, as I just mentioned, both in features we're continuing to bring to market and the revenue associated with those crucial features we're providing to our merchants.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

For example, we recently announced the launch of our ACH processing product with a $200,000,000 plus launch client. We recently completed the launch of our automated onboarding functionality, which will serve as a crucial feature for our 80,000 plus marketplace small business owners who are looking for a quick and easy way to onboard to our payment stack. And we have begun to offer our buy now pay later and payment processing capabilities as a bundled product offering to our merchants, a first in the world of financial technology. We continue to see our sales pipeline exponentially grow and we are onboarding in a more efficient and expedient manner with each merchant we work with. We also expect to see growth in our credit business in 2025.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

We're advancing our credit business through a series of strategic product enhancements and initiatives, one of which is called Credit two point zero. Credit two point zero initiative is a comprehensive upgrade to our product offering designed to not only meet but exceed industry standards and competitive benchmarks. We are strategically deploying capital to expand our margins, enhance cash flow efficiency and build a robust consumer lending portfolio on our balance sheet. A key pillar of this strategy is lowering our cost of capital while strengthening risk management through AI driven underwriting. These efforts position us for sustainable growth while improving profitability for the fintech division.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

And when we talk about strengthening our capital structure and cost of capital, we have some exciting news. As of yesterday, we signed a letter of intent for a new asset backed lending facility and a working capital line of credit provided by a trusted banking institution. We expect these moves will reduce our cost of capital by approximately 50%, demonstrating our financial strength and an increasing level of confidence from traditional financial institutions. AI is a critical component of our future credit strategy. Since 2022, we have been training AI models to refine credit risk assessment with great success.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

We continue to leverage AI to enhance underwriting, mitigate risk and drive smarter lending decisions and it's paying off for the company. By optimizing our product offerings, strengthening our capital structure and deepening our AI integrations, we are positioning our credit business for long term growth, improves margin against risk management. Now moving to the marketplace in the lens of 2025. Our marketplace has three key goals for 2025. First, we're excited to leverage the synergies between payments and marketplace by onboarding the small businesses on our marketplace platform onto our payments platform and vice versa.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Secondly, and I'm very excited about this one, we are going to increasingly focus on and elevate our made in America product assortment to satiate the desires of our customers looking to purchase made in America goods, support the small businesses who are putting in the hard work to manufacture their products in America and set ourselves up with a significant competitive advantage in an American economy that is increasingly embracing economic nationalism, which we are highly in support of. We have always been a marketplace that prioritizes American owned small businesses that value life, liberty and family, but we are going to take it even a step further. Made in America will actually become the primary differentiating factor of our marketplace in the near future to the point where in the coming months, we will exclusively showcase Made in America products and our shopping experience. And we are really excited to continually update our shareholders as we progress on this front. And finally, in the marketplace, we're going to continue building out our affiliate and ambassador programs further to meet the desires of our customers who are looking to spread the word about our marketplace and earn commissions as they tell their communities about their favorite products, fill our social media and digital advertising channels with shopper generated content and help the company experience low cost customer acquisition.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

In the brands division, we expect revenue to grow significantly as we enhance our visibility and marketing of our core product lines of diapers, wipes and training pants, as well as our recently launched adjacent verticals including soaps and lotions. We are grateful for the strong subscriber base we have built and the continued growth of our subscription program, which provides recurring revenue for the company and an easy way for our customers to have our products automatically delivered to their door each and every month. We also expect to launch our previously announced Feminine Care line under the EveryLife brand in the coming months. As we've gotten to know our customers, we've learned that the number one additional product category they are seeking is Feminine Care products. These are the EveryLife customers.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

So because of that, EveryLife Women has been highlighted as a clear next step for the brand as we seek to provide premium products that are clean for the entire family. There's a previously unaddressed audience of millions of parents who are looking for high quality, reliable and clean essential products from companies who celebrate the miracle of EveryLife. And we at EveryLife are proud to be reaching that audience with our products, our ambassador community, our non profit programs and our Buy for a Cause initiatives. So that was fintech, marketplace and brands. Finally, I want to touch on our expenses at the company.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Regarding our expenses, we made a number of foundational investments in the business during 2024 and ultimately some significant changes to our organizational structure late last year as we launched our payment services to the market. The net impact of these changes will lead to lower operating expenses year over year for the company. And these reductions are even more impactful when juxtaposed with the revenue growth that we anticipate. To wrap up, FinTech is positioned exceptionally well to drive significant revenues and cash flow for the business. The marketplace is finding its sweet spot with our core customer base and setting up for an incredible second half of twenty twenty five and beyond as we focus on the expansion of our made in America product offering and our brand division continues to innovate and grow with increased product offerings and expansion into new markets.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Our management and Board of Directors see the potential of what we are building and we are locked in. After two successful financing rounds in Q4, raising a total of $41,600,000 for the company before fees, we are better capitalized than ever and have more than healthy enough of a balance sheet to achieve our significant growth goals while generating substantial profits in the near future. We know how to build for the next generation of commerce and I'm more confident in our business than ever. So to finish, our message to potential investors is simple. You can watch from the sidelines or you can choose to be active participants in a growth story that we believe many are missing.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

To be more clear, we believe this will be one of the most significant growth opportunities the market has seen in modern memory and we invite you to experience it with us. I will now turn the call over to our CFO, Brad Searle, to discuss some of our financial highlights from full year 2024 and Q4 twenty twenty four.

Bradley Searle
Bradley Searle
CFO & Treasurer at PSQ Holdings

Thank you, Michael, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm honored to be with you today to discuss our fourth quarter and full year 2024 results. I'd like to present a few financial items to note starting with Q4. We increased Q4 net revenue by 167% to $7,200,000 compared to the fourth quarter twenty twenty three. Breaking that down a bit, dollars 3,500,000.0 of this came from our Financial Technology or FinTech segment.

Bradley Searle
Bradley Searle
CFO & Treasurer at PSQ Holdings

Marketplace revenue was $600,000 and EveryLife generated $3,100,000 of net revenue. Our overall gross margin was 61% in Q4 twenty twenty four compared to only 38% in Q4 twenty twenty three. For full year 2024, our results were as follows: We increased net revenue to $23,200,000 a 308% increase over 2023. Of that, fintech was $10,100,000 and it's worth noting that this 10,100,000 represents revenue from the acquisition date of March 13 through the end of the year. Fintech pro form a revenue as if the acquisition had occurred on January 1 was $13,000,000 dollars Marketplace revenue was $2,900,000 and Brands revenue net of returns and discounts was $10,200,000 Consolidated net revenue pro form a for the Cordova acquisition was $26,100,000 and finally, full year gross margin increased from 33% in 2023 to 61% in 2024.

Bradley Searle
Bradley Searle
CFO & Treasurer at PSQ Holdings

Moving on to cash, we ended 2024 with cash and cash equivalents of $36,300,000 and $300,000 in restricted cash. In terms of share count, as of 12/31/2024, we had 39,575,499 Class A common shares outstanding and 3,213,678 Class C common shares outstanding. The company had an outstanding principal balance of $3,800,000 on its $10,000,000 revolving line of credit as of year end. So those were some of our Q4 and full year 2024 financial highlights. Now let's move on to Q and A.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. And we have no phone questions at this time.

William Kent
William Kent
Senior VP - Corporate Affairs at PSQ Holdings

Thank you, Rob. We'll take some questions that have been submitted via the SAFET platform at this moment. The first question that we got, I'll read them directly. Tariffs are being imposed around the world are going to dramatically incentivize manufacturing and production in The United States. Considering your business model and target demographics, do you believe Public Square can become a competitive cornerstone in the marketplace like Amazon?

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Great question. We absolutely believe that is the case. Put simply, we believe that tariffs are actually a great thing for our business. The global economy is changing for the better. There is a greater hunger than I've seen in my lifetime for America to prioritize Americans first.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

That means companies bringing their manufacturing back to our towns and consumers prioritizing American made goods in their purchases from small businesses they can trust. So we're incredibly grateful to find ourselves at the forefront of this new American golden age. And we believe we are set up to reap the benefits of deglobalization in a way that far outpaces our competition. We're very excited about the future. And we believe that every bit of the increasing America First sentiment in our economy will only lead to a greater benefit for the movement that we are seeking to lead with our company.

Operator

And we have a phone question from the line of Darren Aftahi from Roth Capital Partners. Your line is open.

Darren Aftahi
Senior Research Analyst-Internet, Media and Enabling Technologies at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

Hey guys. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. A couple if I may. Michael, the commentary about the growth in the GMV, I think it was a little over $1,000,000,000 to $2,500,000,000 Can you just talk about the composition and the type of clients that kind of make that up and then kind of a timeframe for when that could actually manifest into revenue?

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Yes. Great question, Darren. Great to hear from you. So I will first talk about the types of merchants and then I'll talk about the general size of the merchants. So the merchants that make up the over $2,500,000,000 in signed GMV today are largely representative of the Cordova and Public Square existing ecosystem.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

So we have a large representation of firearms merchants. Obviously, the firearms industry is an industry that is near and dear to our hearts, and they have been rather frustrated historically with the existing payments options. They've really seen us as a safe haven and a provider of best in class technology that can honestly commit with a cancel proof promise to protecting their economic liberty. So we've done very well in that space here in these early days. We also have many merchants from the public Square community that have become awesome payments merchants for us in terms of signed GMV, some of which is this is a little bit more industry agnostic.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

So, some of these are in the travel space. Others of these are in the consumer product space. But overall, the size of these merchants vary. Our smaller merchants that are currently signed onto the payment stack are in that $1,000,000 to $5,000,000 in annual sales range. And we have other merchants that are in the hundreds of millions and beyond.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

So we are also excited about the existing pipeline. That's the one other thing I'll add, Darren, is that the $2,500,000,000 that we have currently signed to date is fairly representative of what we believe will be our first ten billion dollars to $15,000,000,000 in pipeline. The good news here for us is that these merchants have been acquired with no customer acquisition costs. They already exist within our ecosystem. And so, this is real low hanging fruit for us.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

We're looking forward to serving them. And in terms of timeline, we said on our Q3 earnings call that with the shopping season coinciding with the launch of our payment stack, we were having great success with the signing of contracts with new payments merchants, but the majority of the actual onboarding would take place in Q1 and Q2 and we reaffirm that today. Q1 has been a tremendous onboarding quarter for us with this GMV and Q2 will remain the same. So we're really looking forward to the remainder of 2025 being an incredible fruitful year for investors to see the full impact of the revenue associated with the GMV we've signed to date.

Darren Aftahi
Senior Research Analyst-Internet, Media and Enabling Technologies at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

Great. That's helpful. And then a couple more. You talked about the integration of marketplace merchants and then onboarding to fintech. I guess, where are we in the curve in terms of when that's going to occur?

Darren Aftahi
Senior Research Analyst-Internet, Media and Enabling Technologies at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

And if it's already in the process of occurring, how is conversion going?

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Yes, great question. We are currently in the process as of about two weeks ago. So as about two weeks ago, the company began to court the marketplace merchants into the Public Square payments platform universe and we have been met with overwhelming demand. So again, this is one of those topics we are excited for shareholders to see in the coming months and quarters, but we are already reaping the positive benefits of the synergies between our divisions, nowhere greater than the topic we're discussing right now. Marketplace merchants have been hungering for a better payment solution.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Many of our existing marketplace merchants are Stripe customers and they've been eager to leave both because they really appreciate the trust that has been established between Public Square, the marketplace and their small business, and also because we're able to actually offer a more competitive rate. And something I want to highlight here is one of the reasons we're able to offer better rates overall across the fintech business to our merchants is because of the bundled product nature between payments and buy now pay later. Given that the margin on the BNPL business is nearly 100% and can be a real serious cash flow generator for the business, it actually allows for us when we present this bundled offering to a merchant to get more aggressive with the rates on the payment processing side. So having these levers to pull when we're interacting with a merchant of really any size is incredibly advantageous and allows for us to starts with the e commerce businesses first.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

We are focused on starts with the e commerce businesses first. We are focusing on e commerce consumer products focused businesses over the course of the next quarter. And then we'll begin to expand out of that universe to more custom offerings where businesses might have a brick and mortar presence as well as an e commerce store and then eventually to service based businesses that are on the marketplace as well.

Darren Aftahi
Senior Research Analyst-Internet, Media and Enabling Technologies at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

Great. And then just last one for me with the more than doubling of revenue in 2025. Can you just talk about relative mix? And then I guess on the fintech side, just the relative mix of credit versus payments?

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Yes, absolutely. I'll start there. On the fintech side, we anticipate that payments and credit will be roughly half and half. We anticipate that payments obviously will really begin to ramp from a revenue perspective from Q2 on through the remainder of the year. And with Credit two point zero that I mentioned earlier, we really anticipate that the second half of twenty twenty five will be a shining six months for the credit business.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

We then going to the earlier part of your question anticipate that the overall mix in terms of revenue representation at the company will be ranked in this order. We believe that it will be payments and credit vying for the lead followed by the brands division and then the marketplace.

Darren Aftahi
Senior Research Analyst-Internet, Media and Enabling Technologies at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

That's right. Thanks. And tip of the hat for all the charity work you're doing for the community.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Thank you, Daryl. It's great to talk to you. Appreciate it.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Barry Hames from Sage Asset Management. Your line is open.

Barry Haimes
Managing Partner at Sage Asset Management

Thanks so much for taking my questions and appreciate all the good hard work and accomplishments in 2024. Main question is, could you talk a little bit about the timing to get to free cash flow breakeven in the business and what has to happen in terms of revenues or any other way you'd like to characterize the progress to get from here to that point? Thanks so much.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Thank you. I appreciate it. Yes, I would answer this question by saying that we are wholly focused on positive unit economics for each of the divisions of our company in 2025. And so you heard my remarks earlier that we achieved our first month of EBITDA positivity for the EveryLife brand. These are milestones we really are hanging our hats on and are excited about that are driving us forward because when you pair that with the fact that our margin at the company has nearly doubled over the last year, we're really excited about the direction that we are trending in as a business to be able to generate significant cash flows over the long term.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

The other thing to keep in mind and this is continually at the top of our mind is that we are operating as a growth company. So the big thing that I always want to make sure we're doing is utilizing our cash as best as possible to drive forward growth. This year, we see a pipeline in the fintech business that is tremendous. And so the thing I don't want to do is, actually miss out on the opportunity to provide quality supply to the overwhelming demand purely for the sake of generating profits. I want to make sure that our long term profitability outlook is as best as it possibly can be.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

And so I'd say this year in 2025, we have the ability to breakeven from a cash flow positivity perspective. The question that we are asking as a management team and as a Board of Directors is what is the best utilization of our cash to ride that fine line between hyperfocus on profitability and ensuring that we're able to grow to hit the milestones that we believe are at our doorstep and offered to the company in a very unique season. I think one thing and this is the last thing I'll say, we came into 2025 feeling like we have a tremendous amount of wind in our sails, not just as a company, but even as a country. We feel like we have a unique moment in time to really go capitalize on the growth afforded to our company given our positioning in the market, and we do not want to miss that moment. And so those are all the factors that we consider when we think about cash flow positivity for the company and we're excited to continually update shareholders as we grow closer to that milestone.

Barry Haimes
Managing Partner at Sage Asset Management

Great.

Barry Haimes
Managing Partner at Sage Asset Management

One quick follow-up. If you were to look at Marketplace and the total amount of GMV that could be created if in the hypothetical that all of them went with you guys just to get a feel for the potential market. Any way to characterize that? Thanks.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Yes. Great question. This is something we're actually accumulating currently given that obviously we do not own these 80,000 plus merchants. These are third parties and many of them are small businesses in the $1,000,000 to $5,000,000 in annual sales range. And so therefore, obviously their financials are not public and it can be difficult to get some of that information.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

So we've done some data pulling and we've had some great interviews with subsets of our business community to begin to identify a total addressable market that exists within our marketplace ecosystem as it stands today. And to be frank with you, we do not have that answer yet. But that is an answer we are seeking to get. Now that as I mentioned after Darren's question, our focus is really shifting toward onboarding our marketplace merchants, we feel like we're going to have a very clear picture of what the three to five year roadmap looks like and forecast looks like for the GMV and associated revenue produced by our marketplace merchant community here in the near term. So I look forward to following up on this question and excited to provide more clarity on those numbers as we move forward.

Barry Haimes
Managing Partner at Sage Asset Management

Great. Thanks so much. Appreciate it.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Thank you.

Operator

I will turn it back to you, Will, for further submitted questions.

William Kent
William Kent
Senior VP - Corporate Affairs at PSQ Holdings

Thanks, Rob. Next question, that we received via SATEC. And I mentioned that these are in order of upvoted by shareholders, just so you understand how these questions were picked. Will Public Square be looking to hone in on more acquisition opportunities or partnerships with payment processors with the money used from the direct offering that you did in December? And could you help outline utilization of those dollars?

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Yeah. Great question. So, I'll answer this in two chunks. First, I will say related to the use of proceeds from the over $30,000,000 raise in December, we are really prioritizing our fintech segment. We believe that the fintech segment, as I've mentioned, has overwhelming demand.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

And we want to ensure that we can keep up with that demand by producing quality supply that meets the moment. So that is the largest use of capital as we look into 2025. The second thing that I would say is that we're really looking to put our balance sheet to work. So I mentioned this a bit earlier in our credit business, but we actually want to leverage our own balance sheet in our loan and leads portfolio to be able to drive significant positive enhancements to the unit economics of our credit business. And we're really looking forward to that.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

And finally, on the M and A piece, I would say that we are always open to M and A activity as we move forward into the future. And just a little bit of perspective in terms of how we view product development as a company, anytime that we have a new feature that we want to bring to the market in any of our respective divisions, we always ask the question, is it best to build this feature or buy this feature? So for example, when we knew we wanted to get into fintech, when the merchants on our Public Square marketplace had made it clear that they were looking for checkout solutions that were cancel proof, we asked the question, do we buy the fintech segment or do we build the fintech segment? And where we landed is actually a little bit of both. We purchased Cordova in an all equity transaction in March of twenty twenty four, and that acquisition actually served as the foundation for the payment processing capabilities we built on top of that Cordova business.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

And so we're going to continue that attitude as we move forward in the future. We're always open to building and or buying related to any of the features we want to bring to the market in our product roadmap. Final thing that I will say is that we will enhance much of our creative marketing expenditures in the second half of twenty twenty five. Again, as I mentioned with the unique season we find ourselves in as a company and as a country, we want to make sure that we are increasingly getting our message out and the quality of our products displayed and the stories of our business owners told. And we really believe that we've learned a lot about how to appropriately and effectively market this company with the highest return on investment.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

And we're going to leverage a lot of those findings in the second half of twenty twenty five in our marketing spend.

William Kent
William Kent
Senior VP - Corporate Affairs at PSQ Holdings

Thank you, Michael. Next question. What are the biggest cost drivers impacting margins? And how do you plan on optimizing operational efficiency? I know we've covered some of this, Michael, but certainly, some greater detail might be helpful.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Yeah, very happy to. This is a great question. So, one thing I would recall from my statements earlier is the significant restructuring of the company that we conducted in later the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. This operational restructuring coincided with the launch of our fintech segment and really streamlined our company for not only growth into the future but also better operational efficiency in terms of our expenditures. For example, we do believe that our operating expenses will actually decrease year over year.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

And we're excited that we feel like we've got the right team members in the right seats to be able to execute efficiently moving forward, not only through the remainder of 2025, but even to the years beyond. By division, the marketplace margin has increased significantly due to the restructuring of our ad platform, as I mentioned previously in this call. And not only has that improved our margin on the marketplace, it's actually helped us with customer acquisition costs on the merchant side as well. And it has bettered the merchant experience, which we've appreciated greatly. The brand's margin is increasing steadily due to economies of scale and an increasingly favorable relationship with our suppliers.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

And then in the fintech side, buy now pay later is virtually 100% margin. And the payments margin is a long game. The payments margin, as I expressed on the Q3 earnings call, will continually improve over time. And just as a helpful reference point for investors as they are thinking about the revenue associated with the payments GMV. As a reminder, we anticipate that revenues for GMV fall between 1.92.3% of that GMV.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

So when we say things like $2,500,000,000 in potential annualized GMV already undersigned contract, the best way to get that revenue is take 1.9% to 2.3% of that GMV. And ultimately, we're excited about some of the margin enhancements that we get to the payments business through the bundling of buy now pay later and the processing functionality, which we're excited to talk more about on future earnings calls.

William Kent
William Kent
Senior VP - Corporate Affairs at PSQ Holdings

Excellent. Next question, will Public Square be looking into accepting any cryptocurrency anytime soon?

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

This is the topic of the year, I love it. As a note, I'm a big believer personally in cryptocurrency, but we don't take the topic lightly. We are exploring as a company and we are very intentional about our cryptocurrency strategy. We do believe non traditional payment methods are going to take market share away from traditional payment rails and we are positioning ourselves well for that future, but we would have nothing to announce today. So absolutely, we're exploring, we're very intentional about our cryptocurrency strategy that we do plan to implement in the future.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

But in terms of driving down into any further detail there, we would not be prepared to speak about that today.

William Kent
William Kent
Senior VP - Corporate Affairs at PSQ Holdings

Excellent. And our last submitted question, being a relatively new organization, what are the primary growth strategies for the next few years and what are the key initiatives to achieve profitability?

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Well, this is a great question. I would say a few things. First, I would say, obviously, we're looking forward to 2025, providing that guidance that we do anticipate that our revenue will more than double year over year between 2024 to 2025. And we believe that ultimately that revenue doubling will be driven by our fintech segment. So in the near term, we really are leaning hard into fintech meeting the demand that is currently in our pipeline and ensuring that we can exercise the synergies between our divisions.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

We want our company between marketplace, fintech and brands to be a one plus one plus one equals 10 exercise. We believe that the best way we can operate our company moving forward is by playing to the strength of each of these divisions in order that a rising tide would actually lift all boats associated with our company. That's the first thing I'd say. The second thing I'd say is that if you want to break it down by division a little bit more, I'd say that obviously the fintech division, the name of the game in the near term is go and meet the demand that's already been presented to us, both not only in signing these contracts, but in onboarding these merchants with efficiency and then actually earning that associated revenue with that GMV. But then in marketplace, I would say we really have a long game strategy associated with marketplace.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

We actually believe that the marketplace will be a very fundamental revenue and profit driver for this company long term. And so the name of the game in this season for the marketplace is ensure that its brand identity is able to grow organically with as much of a community movement behind it as possible. And so that's really our focus. And I mentioned that earlier with some of the ambassador and affiliate programs we're bringing to market as well as the refined strategy around exclusively showcasing made in America products, which we're really excited about. And then in the brands division, I'd say that we've really captured an customer that is so family driven and they want to ensure that all the products that they are getting for their household, all of these essential goods for their children and for themselves, anything they put on their body or in their body, they want to make sure that it is clean, that it is premium, and that it is sourced from a brand that they can trust.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

And we really feel like that's where EveryLife fits in. So EveryLife launched as a baby care brand. We really anticipate that moving forward over the course of the coming year or two, EveryLife will begin to become known as more of a holistic family brand, which we're very much looking forward to.

William Kent
William Kent
Senior VP - Corporate Affairs at PSQ Holdings

Thank you, Michael. And that ends our submitted questions. I'll hand it back to you for any closing remarks.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

Awesome. Well, thank you, Will. Thank you, Brad. And thank you for all of our shareholders that joined us on today's call and for the questions we received, on the call in feature. I really appreciate everyone joining us this afternoon, and we'd love the opportunity to speak with you today about where we've been and where we are going as we seek to accomplish our mission of building commerce for a better America.

Michael Seifert
Michael Seifert
Founder, President, CEO & Chairman at PSQ Holdings

We hope you all have a tremendous remainder of your Thursday afternoon and evening and we look forward to speaking with you soon.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

Executives
    • William Kent
      William Kent
      Senior VP - Corporate Affairs
    • Michael Seifert
      Michael Seifert
      Founder, President, CEO & Chairman
    • Bradley Searle
      Bradley Searle
      CFO & Treasurer
Analysts
    • Darren Aftahi
      Senior Research Analyst-Internet, Media and Enabling Technologies at Roth Capital Partners, LLC
    • Barry Haimes
      Managing Partner at Sage Asset Management
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