One Stop Systems Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Good day, and welcome to the One Stop Systems Fourth Quarter twenty twenty four Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, you will have the opportunity to ask questions during the question and answer session. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. As part of the discussion today, the representatives from OSS will be making certain forward looking statements regarding the company's future financial and operating results, including revenue growth, as well as business plans, objectives and expectations.

Operator

These statements are based on the company's current beliefs and expectations and should not be regarded as a representation by OSS that any of its plans or expectations will be archived or achieved. Please be advised that these forward looking statements are covered under the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and that OSS desires to avail itself of the protections of the Safe Harbor for these statements. Please also be advised that actual results could be permitted from those stated or implied by the forward looking statements due to certain risks and uncertainties, including those described in the company's most recent annual report on Form 10 K, subsequent quarterly reports on Form 10 Q and recent press releases. Please read these reports and other future filings that OSS will make with the SEC. OSS disclaims any duty to update or revise its forward looking statements, except as required by applicable law.

Operator

It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to OSS President and CEO, Mr. Mike Knowles. Please go ahead, sir.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

Thank you, Louie. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining today's call. As I mentioned on prior calls, we're working through a multi year plan to transform the company and pursue growth opportunities driven by the increasing adoption of artificial intelligence, machine learning, sensor processing and autonomy. While we are still early in our plan, our performance throughout 2024 highlights the progress we have made over the past two years repositioning the company for long term success. In fact, OSS returned to consolidated year over year revenue growth for the fourth quarter and sequential consolidated growth for every quarter in 2024.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

This important milestone is driven by strength across both of our operating segments, higher customer funded development revenue and a continued focus on converting our OSS segment's $1,000,000,000 pipeline to sales. As efforts to reposition the company for revenue growth gained momentum during 2024, we also made certain adjustments to legacy inventory and program related issues. These efforts are aligned with our focus on improving operational efficiencies and driving profitability. Dan will provide additional color on these changes in his prepared remarks. With this introduction, I want to use my time today to review the progress we made in 2024 and highlight several near term and longer term opportunities we are pursuing that we believe will support the next phase of our growth.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

Looking at the progress of May 2024 from a revenue perspective, we experienced consolidated growth on a sequential basis in every quarter throughout the year driven by growth in the OSS segment. As a reminder, a former media customer contributed $4,800,000 to OSS segment revenue in 2023 that did not occur in 2024. Throughout 2024, we experienced greater adoption within our OSS segment from both defense and commercial end markets. These trends helped grow our customer base and broaden our customer concentration during the year. OSS segment growth in our defense market was from new and existing customers.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

We experienced demand from several programs within the U. S. Army, a renewal for the U. S. Navy PA program, a new HPC solution for a U.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

S. Intelligence agency and a new design win with a leading defense contractor in Asia for an autonomous maritime application. In our commercial end market, we saw customer demand for our solutions come from several sectors including motorsport, autonomous trucking, commercial aerospace and importantly the data center markets. Growing customer funded development revenue was an important objective this past year and I'm pleased that we were able to increase this revenue stream by 118% in 2024 to $3,700,000 While still small numbers now, this customer funded development is a great indicator that could lead to much larger revenues if our products are adopted in large scale multi year programs as it establishes OSS in an incumbent position on key military and commercial applications. From a booking standpoint, we lifted our annual book to bill ratio to 1.14 for our OSS segment, which includes a delay in certain orders in the fourth quarter, but we expect those opportunities to manifest through 2025.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

We believe that uncertainty related to business and government spending is likely to continue throughout the first half of twenty twenty five, but our embedded position remains strong with our customers and the programs we have pursued are aligned with our customers' priorities. As a result, we believe it is not a question of if, but when these orders are placed. And we currently expect the 2025 annual book to bill ratio for our OSS segment to be on the order of 1.2. We plan to update investors on our book to bill ratio on an annual basis going forward. Overall, despite the current environment in Washington, we have seen market interest in our solutions strengthen over the past year as we continue to respond to increasing requests for information, proposals and white papers.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

Across our global and defense and commercial markets, customers are looking for technology partners like OSS to support their expanding needs for rugged enterprise class compute solution. Driving these trends are the emerging requirements for artificial intelligence, machine learning, autonomy and sensor processing at the edge. The company's best in class hardware and software performance to harsh and challenging applications that we believe will allow OSS to take advantage of current and future demand trends. As we look to 2025, we expect certain development programs that we worked on during 2024 to transition to orders and sales. This includes commercial applications in data center, healthcare and aerospace markets combined with multiple opportunities across the U.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

S. Department of Defense. We have several orders that we believe will close shortly. On the commercial side, we have a new order from a healthcare customer that is expected to develop into significant production orders over the next five years. On the defense side, we are broadening our platform application with several defense contractors.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

One of these expanded relationships is expected to lead to a new program win with production orders in 2025. I look forward to updating investors on these near term opportunities as they develop. I also want to highlight the progress we made in 2024 and potentially transformative opportunities underway across our commercial and defense markets. While none of these opportunities are given and remain subject to fielding and funding decisions, they do represent transformative opportunities for OSS segment solution. In the commercial space, the composable infrastructure for data centers represents what we expect to be a $200,000,000 multi year pipeline opportunity for OSS.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

Composable infrastructure is an architecture that connects compute, storage and networking resources to optimize applications and improve performance. We are working with leaders in the space that have mandates from their end customers to increase the density of GPU processing capability within data centers. This specialized application supports users that need data center capabilities near their operations, but lack the footprint to build a large scale data center, representative universities, corporations, organizations or public service entities. The acceleration systems we built for this application utilizes our expertise delivering high GPU concentration solutions that effectively manage temperature, power and optimize performance. These solutions also leverage our discriminating leadership and PCIe technology, which is a high speed interface that connects computer components such as expansion cards and storage devices to a motherboard.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

In 2024, we announced an initial contract for 100 accelerator units with a customer. We expect our best in class solution will expand to multiple customers in 2025, leading to increased revenue potential for 2025 and beyond. On the defense side, we successfully delivered a rugged three sixty degree situational awareness system to the U. S. Army for their assessment and testing.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

This system provides military spec, low latency video processing to support on vehicle video dissemination. The Army will test and assess the system for application to their combat vehicle inventory, which we currently expect to occur sometime in the second half of twenty twenty five. OSS is uniquely positioned for this application as we developed and built a ruggedized compute visualization system using OSS's PCIe Gen four switch fabric technology and NVIDIA Jetson AGX born system on modules. If as a result of tests and assessment, the Army chooses to fund and deal the capability across one or multiple combat vehicles classes, we estimate the value of such an opportunity could exceed $200,000,000 in production orders over a three to five year period with additional opportunities for follow on logistics, support and tech refresh options. Our product solution has also gained the attention of multiple defense prime contractors in the combat vehicle market driving request for information and proposal that would align with the Army opportunity.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

While we'll take time for these opportunities to formulate and develop into potential production orders, we are working hard with our customers and Congress to ensure the fielding of this capability is funding and realized. The composable infrastructure and army visualization programs will have important milestones over the next few years and I look forward to providing updates in future calls. As we look to 2025, we are off to a good start in both segments and anticipate a projected consolidated revenue of $59,000,000 to $61,000,000 for the full year of 2025. This includes inspected OSS segment revenue of approximately $30,000,000 representing over 20% year over year growth in the OSS segment. In addition, the company expects to be EBITDA breakeven for the full year of 2025.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

We expect revenue and profitability to improve at a higher rate in the second half of twenty twenty five based on current trends and our expanding sales pipeline. While we expect some near term volatility associated with budget delays and uncertainty related to impact tariffs will have on the economy, we feel good about our financial position and the potential for 2025. We believe we have the right products, the right team and the right strategy in place to capture significant opportunities across defense and commercial markets as customers look for technology partners like OSS to support their expanding needs for rugged enterprise class compute solution. With this overview, I'd like to now turn the call over to Dan. Dan?

Daniel Gabel
Daniel Gabel
CFO at One Stop Systems

Thank you, Mike, and good morning to everyone on today's call. I joined OSS in November of last year and as I've gotten to know the company, I've been impressed by the differentiated technology, by the energy and dedication of the team and by the robust opportunity pipeline. As Mike mentioned, in 2024, we adjusted certain legacy inventory and program related issues as our transformation strategies gained momentum. With these adjustments behind us, we remain focused on driving growth, increasing our operational efficiency and driving profitability. We incurred two main charges in 2024.

Daniel Gabel
Daniel Gabel
CFO at One Stop Systems

First, OSS took a charge during the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four related to contract losses of $1,200,000 for incurred and anticipated costs to satisfy performance obligations on a customer funded development contract that was entered into in 2022. While this charge negatively impacted our 2024 financials, our efforts on this development program position us to compete for large multi year production opportunities in 2025 and beyond. Second, OSS incurred $7,100,000 of inventory charges in 2024 related to obsolete and slow moving inventory associated with the transition of the company's business model and operating strategy as well as slower adoption and movement in certain commercial and defense edge compute markets. These one time charges reduced reported gross margin, net income and adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter and full year of 2024. Importantly, we believe we have taken all appropriate measures and we do not expect any further significant adjustments to costs related to the customer funded development contract or to our inventory outside of normal historical trends.

Daniel Gabel
Daniel Gabel
CFO at One Stop Systems

Turning to our fourth quarter financial results. For the fourth quarter, we reported consolidated revenue of $15,100,000 dollars The 15.1% year over year increase in consolidated revenue was a result of double digit growth across both our OSS and Freshner business segments. Consolidated gross margin in the fourth quarter was 15.7% compared to 33.7% in the prior year quarter. Gross margin excluding one time charges was 23.8% compared to 33.7% in the same period last year. This decline reflects a less profitable mix of revenue in the quarter.

Daniel Gabel
Daniel Gabel
CFO at One Stop Systems

We expect our consolidated gross margin to return to our target range in the low 30% in twenty twenty five first quarter. On a segment basis, gross margin for the company's OSS segment for the fourth quarter was 9.4% compared to 45.9 for the same period a year ago. OSS segment gross margin excluding the one time charges was 26.8% compared to 45.9% for the same period a year ago. This decline reflects a less profitable mix of OSS segment revenue. We expect OSS segment gross margin to improve in the first quarter of twenty twenty five to our target range in the mid to upper 30% range.

Daniel Gabel
Daniel Gabel
CFO at One Stop Systems

The company's Fresher segment had gross margin percentage of 21.2%, a one percentage point decrease in the same period last year. Total fourth quarter operating expenses increased 15.1% year over year to $5,500,000 This increase was predominantly attributable to increased general administrative costs related to planned marketing, sales and program management investments that we made during the course of 2024. For the fourth quarter, the company reported a GAAP net loss of $3,100,000 or $0.15 per share compared to a net loss of $278,000 or $0.01 per share in the prior year. It is important to note the GAAP net loss in the quarter included the $1,200,000 1 time charge mentioned earlier. The company reported a non GAAP net loss of $2,600,000 or $0.12 per share compared to a non GAAP net income of $219,000 or $0.01 per share for the same period last year.

Daniel Gabel
Daniel Gabel
CFO at One Stop Systems

The twenty twenty four fourth quarter net loss and non GAAP net loss included the $1,200,000 in one time charges related to a loss on the contract that we entered into in 2022. Adjusted EBITDA, a non GAAP metric, was a loss of $2,300,000 which included the above mentioned $1,200,000 in one time charges compared to an adjusted EBITDA of 322,000 in the prior year fourth quarter. Turning to balance sheet. As of 12/31/2024, Oasis had total cash and short term investments of $10,000,000 no borrowings outstanding on our $2,000,000 revolving line of credit and a consolidated balance outstanding on our term loans of $1,000,000 For the twelve months ended 12/31/2024, OSS used $108,000 in cash from operating activities compared to a use of cash of $440,000 for the twelve months ended 12/31/2023. This completes our prepared remarks.

Daniel Gabel
Daniel Gabel
CFO at One Stop Systems

Operator, please open up the call to questions.

Operator

Thank you. And your first question comes from the line of Brian Kinstlinger with AGP. Please go ahead.

Brian Kinstlinger
MD, Director of Research & Head of Technology Research at Alliance Global Partners

Great. Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to start with the gross margin, which you addressed, but excluding the one time charge, like you mentioned, the OSS core segment gross margin was pressured and you mentioned this is based on the mix. This also happened in the second quarter, I believe.

Brian Kinstlinger
MD, Director of Research & Head of Technology Research at Alliance Global Partners

So first, what was it about the mix? What is the lower margin revenue that's generated in core OSS? And what gives you the confidence based on your comments that in the first quarter and maybe for 2025, you'll see those mid to higher 30% gross margins for that segment?

Daniel Gabel
Daniel Gabel
CFO at One Stop Systems

Thanks, Brian. I'll get started and Mike can jump in with any color. So for the OSS segment in particular, especially given our scale, we do see variability in gross margin based on mix of products. We saw that in the twenty twenty four fourth quarter as you pointed out, as we shift some of that lower margin work. Of course, that works both ways.

Daniel Gabel
Daniel Gabel
CFO at One Stop Systems

In Q3 of twenty twenty four, OSS segment gross margins excluding the inventory charge were about 43.2%, so well above that kind of target range in the mid-30s. So I would really look at it on a full year basis. For the OSS segment, our full year 2024 gross margin excluding the inventory and contract loss impacts was about 36.4% and that compared to 36.5% in 2023. So very stable in that mid-30s range that we target.

Brian Kinstlinger
MD, Director of Research & Head of Technology Research at Alliance Global Partners

As we look to What is it hardware?

Brian Kinstlinger
MD, Director of Research & Head of Technology Research at Alliance Global Partners

Is it hardware pass throughs? I mean, you have quite valuable services and products. So I'm curious what drives it lowers it? Is it pass through revenue that contractors have?

Daniel Gabel
Daniel Gabel
CFO at One Stop Systems

Yes. So I mean, we have both. We have some customer funded NREs that certainly with the one time impact impacted gross margins in the fourth quarter. But we also have pretty wide variety of products, some of which are higher margin, some of which are lower margin. And in the fourth quarter, we just saw more of those lower margin products shipping.

Brian Kinstlinger
MD, Director of Research & Head of Technology Research at Alliance Global Partners

Okay. And then it sounds like you the company, which I'm sure the industry too is experiencing order delays and you expect that all persist in the first half of the year, if I heard that right. We've got those, we've got the natural budget delays. Maybe talk about how this may or may not have changed your weighted pipeline that you provided last quarter and also what's addressable in 2025?

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

Yes, Brian, thanks. So, interestingly enough, I was actually just on the Hill last week with the House and the Senate working on 2026 budget. And so, the kind of really two interesting sides of the coin here. On the technology side, we're seeing even an increased momentum and interest in transitioning commercial technologies into the Department of Defense, especially in the area of artificial intelligence, sensor processing, right? The opportunity to take high technology readiness level of products and move them on to existing platforms to increase capabilities, something that's greatly aligned with the current administration and within the services.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

So we continue to see a lot of willingness and interest in the kinds of products and capabilities that OSS can deliver. As you did mention, we are seeing as a result, you can see just last Friday they passed a continuing resolution on a full budget. That has impact in the way that the department spends and how they place orders. So we're seeing stability in the intent and where the purchases are going to be. The timing and how that will be executed will be affected by how they were continuing resolution.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

There is some informal discussion that a defense budget may still be passed in the coming months even though that they have a full year continuing resolution. So we'll continue to monitor those. And then as a reset effect of Doge, we're still seeing our end customers and the DoD procurement offices are moving through. There's a bit of confusion and slowness in there as they're working through their internal request back through that process. That isn't causing some delays in awards.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

But we still have insight. Communication lines are still open. We can still track where things are. We're just having to manage through the process. And as Dan noted and I noted, as we're looking at 2025, we'll see a little bit broader pickup in the second half of the year as a result of that.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

We'll account for anticipated delays here Q1, Q2 on some of these defense orders.

Brian Kinstlinger
MD, Director of Research & Head of Technology Research at Alliance Global Partners

So do you think the addressable pipeline for 2025 is still around $200,000,000 which I think you mentioned total was $1,000,000,000 and addressable was 20% for 2025. Is that still a good picture of where the business is or has some of that $200,000,000 shifted to the right?

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

Yes. At this point, I haven't seen a big shift in anything in our pipeline as a result of what we're seeing. And in fact, I'm seeing a little bit of the reverse where with our expanded reach and broadening customer reach, we're seeing more opportunities that we can load into the pipeline that are seeking information or requesting pricing on our opportunities and capabilities. So I feel that our pipeline is stable where there's some elements that allow us to adjust for some of that timing. And our pipeline is I wouldn't take the $1,000,000,000 and divide it by five.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

It builds out over time as you would expect as we land customers early customer funded development programs. They lead to larger scale production orders and as follow ons and follow on years, right? So we see some of that growing out over time. But for the pipeline we're looking to address in 2025 to drive the growth in the revenue we're talking about, we still feel comfortable and our internal assessments are indicating we have the available pipeline to continue to drive those kinds of orders.

Brian Kinstlinger
MD, Director of Research & Head of Technology Research at Alliance Global Partners

Great. One last question for me. As it relates to the server extension box order for $2,000,000 can you talk about maybe the opportunity for similar sales to AI infrastructure companies including that existing customer? What is what's the market opportunity you've seen maybe over the next in the short to medium term?

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

Yes. I mean, I mentioned that overall broad term of $200,000,000 Yes. So there is a set of customers that have requested or responded to multiple customers in terms of those GPU accelerator and expansion boxes. So we're seeing increased interest and demand for that. We also see the end customer applications and OEMs if you will in that market and that has allowed us to be able to reach out directly to them also and engage in broader communications, which is continuing to increase our interest and about this field and where we can go and what we can do.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

We also have presented now the new our devices for this application this market at Embedded World last week and we're at the GTC trade show this week presenting the same technology. And so there is also an emerging set of new higher end, higher wattage NVIDIA GPUs and other GPU boards by several vendors inside the commercial market. And our product suite we are adapting and adjusting to that. So we'll be one of the early market adopters of some of the high wattage GPU accelerators.

Brian Kinstlinger
MD, Director of Research & Head of Technology Research at Alliance Global Partners

Great. Thanks so much.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

Thank you, Brian.

Daniel Gabel
Daniel Gabel
CFO at One Stop Systems

Thanks, Brian.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Max Michalis with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Max Michaelis
Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC

Hey, guys. If we look at your order growth for 2025 and maybe if we split that up between the so that's for the OSS segment. If we split that up between the commercial and defense market, maybe help me understand where you're seeing more of the growth coming from or is it pretty stable across the two segments in terms of like size of order expansion?

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

Yes. Thanks Max for the question. So we see the growth almost equally across commercial and defense markets. So the pipeline opportunities we have, the opportunities we're chasing are well balanced between both. And so we highlighted a couple of them here, data center on the commercial side, the data centers, the medical imaging, commercial aerospace, all our areas that are deep in our pipeline and of interest and we're tracking to opportunities there in twenty twenty five.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

And then on the defense market, we just noted that we had a renewal of long term contracts we've had with Raytheon and Lockheed Martin. So we've got several existing customers that are expanding their opportunities. They're also creating opportunity for us more broadly within large prime contractors inside of other company divisions. So we're seeing opportunity in defense there to find new platforms to move our capabilities on. And then as I mentioned, we have an order in the medical field and an order in the defense field that we expect to be announcing soon.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

That will give you some good insight into the broadening application and the building of the platforms and our strategy where we can stack these long term capabilities together. So short answer, we're seeing that activity in both sides commercial and defense and as expected and tied to our strategy.

Max Michaelis
Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC

I guess if we stay on the commercial segment, is there any areas in that market where you weren't originally forecasting strength going into 2025, but you're seeing an uptick in orders?

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

I would say we've been pretty broad in our assessment of that market. The one in the medical imaging is coming on probably a little bit faster, a little bit larger than we had first anticipated. But that customer set in some of that medical imaging areas is creating a quicker adoption of artificial intelligence into imaging processing. And as I continue to note, application of AIML, the data sources at sensors is a sweet spot for our company and our hardware. And so some of the capabilities built out in the new GPU processing allows some unique advances where sensors directly at the point of medical imaging can be processed real time using the likes of our hardware.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

So we're seeing some acceleration of that that maybe we hadn't anticipated a couple of quarters ago.

Max Michaelis
Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC

Awesome. And then just one last one for me. I don't know if I missed it, but how many your current product programs under your OSS segment, how many are currently in development?

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

I have to find a number for you, but the intent for the company really as we talk about customer extended development as we grow, there'll be a percentage of our revenue and our efforts every year that are tied to customer funded development. This is how we identify early on opportunities to develop a bespoke solution to a customer set that we know will lead to low rates and then full production and sustainment support. Much like what we've done in our long running P8 program through Raytheon and the Navy, started with a small development opportunity over the six or seven years we've been on that program. We've been able to generate double digit millions of dollars over that program through production, tech refresh, sustainment support, logistics. As we announced, we had another multi year extension on that program to continue to support that program.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

So these customer funded development programs are what instantiated us on to these long running opportunities. And so we'll see multiple programs in any given year. As a percentage of revenue as we grow out in the production elements start to hit, that will decrease from where we are right now. So we're on the front end of really building those platform legacy positions.

Max Michaelis
Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC

All righty. Thanks guys.

Mike Knowles
Mike Knowles
President and Chief Executive Officer at One Stop Systems

Thanks Max. Appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. And I'm showing no further questions at this time. This will conclude today's conference call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect

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      CFO
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