Hooker Furnishings Q4 24/25 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Hooker Furnishings Corporation Fourth Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Webcast Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question and answer session. There a be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker, Mr. Earl Armstrong, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Earl Armstrong
Earl Armstrong
CFO at Hooker Furnishings

Thank you, Sherry, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to our quarterly conference call to review financial results for the fiscal twenty twenty five fourth quarter and full year, both of which ended 02/02/2025. Joining me this morning is Jeremy Hoff, our Chief Executive Officer. We appreciate your participation today. During our call, we may make forward looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties.

Earl Armstrong
Earl Armstrong
CFO at Hooker Furnishings

A discussion of factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from management's expectations is contained in our press release and SEC filing announcing our fiscal twenty twenty five results. Any forward looking statement speaks only as of today and we undertake no obligation to update or revise any forward looking statement to reflect events or circumstances after today's call. Consolidated net sales for the fourth quarter increased by $7,700,000 an approximate 8% gain over the previous year's fourth quarter. The current quarter included fourteen weeks compared to thirteen weeks of the prior year's fourth quarter. On a consolidated basis, the additional week in the current period drove the increase, contributing approximately $7,700,000 to consolidated net sales.

Earl Armstrong
Earl Armstrong
CFO at Hooker Furnishings

However, Hooker Branded and Home Meridian sales increased by 213% respectively based on average net sales per shipping day. These gains were partially offset by a $2,000,000 or 7% decrease in sales at domestic upholstery. Significant charges in the fourth quarter included $1,300,000 in end of life inventory write downs related to the planned exit of our Savannah facility, 878,000 in non cash trade name impairment charges, 718,000 in bad debt expense related to a large customer bankruptcy. That's in addition to 2,400,000.0 recorded in the third quarter and about 200,000 related to our previously announced cost reduction plan. These 3,100,000 in charges drove a consolidated operating loss of 2,700,000.0 and a net loss of 2,300,000.0 or about $0.22 per diluted share for the fourth quarter.

Earl Armstrong
Earl Armstrong
CFO at Hooker Furnishings

For fiscal twenty five, consolidated net sales were 397,500,000.0, a decrease of 35,800,000.0 or 8.3% compared to the previous fiscal year. All three reportable segments experienced sales decreases driven by continued weak demand, a depressed housing market, and broader macroeconomic uncertainties impacting nearly the entire home furnishings industry. Consolidated operating loss was $18,100,000 for the year, primarily due to lower sales volumes and $10,800,000 in charges, including $4,900,000 in restructuring costs related to our cost reduction plan, dollars 3,100,000.0 in bad debt expense from a major customer's bankruptcy, and $2,800,000 in non cash trade name impairment charges. Consolidated net loss amounted to $12,500,000 or $1.19 per share. We expect fiscal twenty six cost savings of about $1,000,000 from the Savannah warehouse exit announced last month, net of associated transition costs.

Earl Armstrong
Earl Armstrong
CFO at Hooker Furnishings

We expect annualized cost savings of 4,000,000 to $5,700,000 beginning in fiscal twenty seven. The exact amount of savings is dependent upon the ultimate timing of the exit. At the same time, we are finalizing the estimates of the potential financial impact of the Savannah warehouse exit. Currently, we expect to record net charges of between $3,000,000 to $4,000,000 in fiscal 'twenty six. In addition to the $10,000,000 in annualized cost savings in fiscal 'twenty five and expected to be realized in fiscal 'twenty six, we expect additional annualized cost savings of between 8,000,000 to $10,000,000 which we anticipate will be realized over the next fiscal year, with full benefits being felt in fiscal twenty seven.

Earl Armstrong
Earl Armstrong
CFO at Hooker Furnishings

The completion of our cost reduction plans is expected by the second half of fiscal twenty six. The total of these two initiatives are expected to save the company between 18,000,000 and $20,000,000 Now I'll turn the call over to Jeremy to comment on our fiscal twenty five fourth quarter and full year results.

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

Thank you, Earl, and good morning, everyone. Hooker Furnishings demonstrated resilience this year with important accomplishments despite extremely difficult conditions in the home furnishing space that persist with few signs of improvement in the near and possibly medium term. We are focused on gaining market share and creating a pathway for profitability regardless of how long the furniture retail downturn persists. Despite the operating loss, our milestones in fiscal twenty twenty five included the Margaritaville licensing agreement, the launch of Hooker Branded's new merchandising strategy, Sunset West East Coast expansion, key inventory investments and share gains amid a tough market. We were encouraged to report improved sales in the fourth quarter, even considering the extra week Hooker Branded and Home Meridian sales increased.

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

According to an independent industry analysis, we had year over year market share growth of three to 15 basis points in each of the first three quarters of fiscal twenty twenty five in Hooker's legacy divisions, with fourth quarter data still pending. These gains build on a consistent trend of sequential market share gains in every quarter of fiscal twenty twenty four. This consistent share growth, despite a contracting high end segment, reinforces the competitive advantages we've built in our readiness to capitalize when demand rebounds. While macroeconomic headwinds, including the weakest housing market in fifty years, lower consumer confidence and tariff uncertainty persist, we remain focused on what we can control. Excluding the charges Earl just mentioned, our financial performance improved sequentially each quarter of the year.

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

Due to the continued economic environment, we've accelerated cost reduction initiatives, which we believe will improve operating income and cash flow. These include our planned exit of the Savannah warehouse, which is expected to save 4,000,000 to $5,700,000 annually beginning in fiscal twenty twenty seven and the opening of a new leased facility in Vietnam this May. When fully operational, the Vietnam warehouse will reduce domestic safety stock needs, improve product flow, enable container mixing, support margin expansion and enable a speedier return on investment. Combined with other efforts, we expect to begin to realize a portion of the 18,000,000 to $20,000,000 in total annual operating expense savings in fiscal twenty twenty six with full annualized expected cost savings beginning in fiscal twenty twenty seven. Now I want to turn the discussion back over to Earl, who will discuss highlights in each of our segments.

Earl Armstrong
Earl Armstrong
CFO at Hooker Furnishings

Thank you, Jeremy. At Hooker Branded, fourth quarter net sales rose $3,800,000 or 10% from the prior quarter, driven by a 14% increase in unit volume. Operating income was $1,100,000 down from $3,500,000 a year ago, but improved from losses in the first three quarters of fiscal twenty five. For fiscal twenty five, net sales decreased $10,100,000 or 6.5% due to a 5.7% drop in average selling prices and increased discounting, partially offset by a nearly 3% rise in volume. Fourth quarter orders rose 15% year over year, reversing the trend of three quarters of decreases.

Earl Armstrong
Earl Armstrong
CFO at Hooker Furnishings

Year end backlog fell 22%, driven mostly by a significantly improved in stock position, which helped to ship goods faster. Turning to Whole Meridian, fourth quarter net sales increased $6,300,000 or 21.7% year over year driven by strong hospitality sales offsetting softness in traditional channels. Gross profit for the quarter rose $2,400,000 to $8,100,000 with gross margin reaching nearly 23, the highest since 2016, despite the $618,000 inventory write down tied to the Savannah exit. The segment reported a $500,000 operating loss despite $2,200,000 in charges recorded, comprised of the $618,000 inventory write down we mentioned, 718,000 in additional bad debt, and $878,000 in trade name impairment. Fiscal twenty five net sales decreased $12,700,000 or around 9% due to a nearly 30% drop in volume, with 78% of the decrease tied to the exit of unprofitable lines.

Earl Armstrong
Earl Armstrong
CFO at Hooker Furnishings

Orders and backlog also decreased amid continued pressure in mega and traditional channels. In the domestic upholstery segment, fourth quarter net sales decreased $2,000,000 or about 7% year over year due to soft demand across HF Custom, Bradenton Young, and Shenandoah, as well as seasonal softness at Sunset West. Fiscal twenty five net sales were down $12,600,000 or about 10%, with decreases across most divisions, partly offset by a 6.8% increase at Sunset West. The segment posted a $2,500,000 operating loss driven by lower volume, under absorbed overhead, and $80,000 in severance costs. Fourth quarter orders rose 13% with double digit growth at Bradenton Young, HF Custom, and Sunset West.

Earl Armstrong
Earl Armstrong
CFO at Hooker Furnishings

Sunset West has now posted four consecutive quarters of order growth, driven by the expansion of its East Coast distribution. Year end backlog was 4% below last year, but 3% above pre pandemic levels when excluding Sunset West since they were acquired after that time. Cash and cash equivalents stood at $6,300,000 a decrease of $36,900,000 from the previous year end. This decrease was largely due to an increase in accounts receivable and a strategic increase in inventory levels with Hooker Branded accounting for most of that inventory increase. Additionally, we utilized our cash reserves for several key expenditures during fiscal twenty five, cash dividends to shareholders, development of our cloud based ERP system, and other capital expenditures.

Earl Armstrong
Earl Armstrong
CFO at Hooker Furnishings

As of yesterday, our cash stood at nearly $19,000,000 with $41,000,000 in available borrowing capacity under our new amended and restated loan agreement. We strategically increased inventory in the fourth quarter to support three major new case goods collections and replenish our most profitable high velocity items. This positioned us to improve product availability and speed to market in the second half of fiscal twenty five and early fiscal twenty six, while also mitigating expected supply disruptions from potential port strikes in The United States and an extended Lunar New Year in Vietnam. We also refinanced our credit facility in the fourth quarter, which increased our borrowing capacity. In March, we announced our regular quarterly dividend, reflecting our ongoing confidence in the company's outlook and extending our over fifty year track record of uninterrupted dividend payments.

Earl Armstrong
Earl Armstrong
CFO at Hooker Furnishings

Now I'll turn the discussion back to Jeremy for his outlook.

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

There's a lot of economic uncertainty and volatility right now. We are currently evaluating a range of strategies to mitigate the current economic environment, including a fifty year low in existing home sales and the possible impact of potential additional reciprocal tariffs on our operations and profitability. Tariffs add tremendous complexity and uncertainty that require us to look at our cost structure more aggressively, particularly on the lower margin direct container side of our business. Consequently, in addition to the cost savings we previously announced and those we covered today, we continue to identify additional opportunities to gain efficiency by consolidating operations and will provide more information in the coming weeks. While evaluation of our cost footprint and implementation of further cuts are both ongoing, we continue to invest in the highest growth potential areas of our business as growing profitable sales remains an intense focus.

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

On a positive note, inflation cooled in February and March falling to the levels experienced last summer and fall before it rose from November 24 to January 25. Additionally, according to the U. S. Census Bureau, year over year monthly furniture sales increased beginning in September 24. While the current environment is challenging, we believe we have positioned the company to continue gaining market share and maximizing revenues through our merchandising efforts, speed to market initiatives and in stock position on top selling products.

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

This ends the formal part of our discussion. And at this time, I will turn the call back over to our operator, Sheri, for questions.

Operator

Thank And our first question will come from the line of Anthony Lebiedzinski with Sidoti and Co. Your line is open.

Anthony Lebiedzinski
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC

Good morning, Jeremy, and good morning, Earl. Thank you for taking the questions. Certainly nice to see the sales improvements at Hooker Branded and HMI. I know you guys talked about the HMI benefiting from strong hospitality sales. Just wondering if you could further comment on the Hooker Branded, whether you're seeing any additional traction from some new collections, maybe just give some more insight into what drove the unit volume increase at Hooker Branded?

Anthony Lebiedzinski
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC

And would love to get your take on what you're seeing so far in Q1 as you now have only about two weeks left in the first quarter.

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

So first of all, the part about Hooker Branded and what's driving some of the momentum, definitely October market had a significant positive impact, particularly on Hooker case goods. We brought out two new collections that really performed well in the early parts with placements and early orders and early sell through. So we're very encouraged by that, especially in the environment we've been in to have that type of impact with two new collections, we were encouraged. I don't believe I can get into more more of the first quarter yet. Sorry, Anthony.

Anthony Lebiedzinski
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC

Okay. Okay. And and then as far as, you know, domestic upholstery, so I know you guys said that, that was down. As far as given the tariff announcements two weeks ago, just wondering how you guys think about the opportunities there as some retailers look to perhaps shift their sources to the domestic manufacturing? Just wondering how you guys think about the potential opportunity for domestic upholstery?

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

We think it's a tremendous opportunity on the domestic upholstery side for obvious reasons that you pretty much stated. We have really quite a bit of capacity if we need it in the BY and we also embed for HF Customs. We're in a position that we could definitely we're in position to grow and we're doing some things product wise, program wise that I believe are going to be well timed with that momentum coming their way.

Anthony Lebiedzinski
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC

Gotcha. Okay. And then as far as HMI, so obviously, you guys have done a nice job there repositioning that business. Gross margin was up nicely. I suppose that the tariffs now added wrinkle, but just kind of thinking about like how do you think the gross margins in that segment will go from here?

Anthony Lebiedzinski
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC

And then just a separate question on the backlog for HMI. I know there's been a lot of changes to that business over the last couple of years with product lines changing and sales channels. So I guess on a like to like basis, what would be the backlog? If you strip out all the noise in terms of the changes, how would that compare to pre pandemic levels for the backlog?

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

I don't believe we have that. I can answer the first part of that, which is, there's a lot of focus on the right things at HMI, which I think is showing through in margin expansion. There's an intense focus on growing Pulaski and on growing Samuel Lawrence furniture. We don't have any focus on like the clubs we've got out of and the ACH business, eccentric home business that we got out of. And we're not focused on loading up the warehouse with inexpensive low margin cheap accents at this point.

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

So there's a lot of really good focus. Candidly, that's why we're able to save between 4,000,000 and $5,700,000 on getting out of Savannah because 80% of that need in Savannah was based on storing or warehousing inexpensive low margin accents. So we're able to really more utilize CDC one, CDC two in Martinsville. And we talked about the Vietnam warehouse as well that we're working on. So our logistics and our warehousing, we believe will substantially go down from a financial footprint, but serve us better than it has.

Anthony Lebiedzinski
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC

Understood. Okay, well, you very much and best of Yeah,

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

thank you, Anthony. We appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Dave Storms with Stonegate. Your line is open. Good

Dave Storms
Director of Equity Research at Stonegate Capital Partners

morning and thank you for taking my questions. Just wanted to start with the current ninety day tariff pause. Does this open up an ability or give you any desire to be maybe a little more nimble and continue to do strategic inventory build?

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

Good question. We were in because we had, as we said, we had taken our inventories, particularly up in Hooker Brand, which is call it an 85% to 90% domestic warehouse footprint. We had already strategically increased that inventory and that was a little bit lucky and well timed for the situation. But we also are able to manage this a little easier with the Vietnam footprint we talked about because we can hold product there depending on where this goes and be ready to fill our warehouse in four to six weeks lead time versus a six month lead time once we're able to see what actually happens next.

Dave Storms
Director of Equity Research at Stonegate Capital Partners

Understood. Very helpful. And then I also just wanted to talk, you mentioned a couple of times in the prepared remarks, press release mentioned it, just the strong market share gain you've had over the last year. Any main drivers really look at this and additionally going forward, the ability to kind of keep growing at this three to 15 basis points pace?

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

Well, we expect that we believe that will improve meaning, those are fairly small numbers. They are improvement, but we believe we can do better than that. We were pleased that we weren't going backwards in this environment, which is why we started tracking market share in the first place. In an environment like this, it's very difficult to are you doing well? Are you not doing well?

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

Where's your business? Because when things are down like they are, everything seems bad and you can't see what's actually going on. So we're pleased to have that information so that we can address what we need to address. But I think we continue with the merchandising strategy, this collective living that we're doing, which really just means our legacy companies working together with one powerful presentation versus just a wood bedroom or a dining room showing by itself. You have upholstery that goes with it, occasionally goes with it.

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

We have all of those capabilities, which is also what makes Margaritaville that's upcoming October market so powerful because that's really where our strengths are is when you combine everything together. That really showed through, I mentioned the two collections we did very well in October. Well, those were two of our first true collective living launches, which showed that when you have, I'll just give you an example, when you have a sofa that perfectly goes with a collection, it makes it very easy for our retail partners to say, yeah, I'll take that just like it is and I'll put it on my floor. Whereas they don't have to figure out, okay, what can I put this with? And a lot of times if you leave it up to the partner, they're going to put something that's not our company because they'll find something else outside of Hooker legacy companies to put with it.

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

So it's really that to me is a very powerful direction for us and it somewhat proved that in October.

Dave Storms
Director of Equity Research at Stonegate Capital Partners

Understood. That's great color. Thank you. And then maybe just one more modeling question. With the new cost savings announced and the anticipation that they will be fully up and running by fiscal twenty twenty seven, any sense of the pacing for this?

Dave Storms
Director of Equity Research at Stonegate Capital Partners

Is it gonna be kind of gradual till then or fits and starts? Any color there would be great.

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

Hey, we weren't sure. I couldn't understand your question. Can you please ask that one more time? I'm sorry.

Dave Storms
Director of Equity Research at Stonegate Capital Partners

Yeah, apologies. Just around the pacing of the cost savings plan to 2027. Should we expect Oh, you're asking about

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

of the cost savings plan. Is that what you're asking about?

Dave Storms
Director of Equity Research at Stonegate Capital Partners

Yes, yes.

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

Okay. So I think the way to look at it, I think if you back up and say, okay, total company spend was $109,000,000 going into two years ago budgeted. Our $10,000,000 savings we achieved throughout last year takes us to where we're a budgeted $99,000,000 in overall spend. And then over this year, if you include Savannah and everything we're talking about, we're working on getting towards that 8,000,000 to $10,000,000 which puts us in more of an 89,000,000 to $91,000,000 overall spend, which is really back to equivalent to what fiscal 'twenty two roughly was.

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

So we're pretty encouraged by that, especially being that we have with the Savannah exit minimum $4,000,000 of that already taken care of and we're working on the rest of that pretty hard. And then I mentioned, we're looking at other things to become more efficient company wide, and we'll have more information on that in the coming weeks. Does that help?

Dave Storms
Director of Equity Research at Stonegate Capital Partners

That's very helpful. Thank you for taking my questions and good luck.

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

Absolutely. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Jeremy Hoch for any closing remarks.

Jeremy Hoff
Jeremy Hoff
CEO at Hooker Furnishings

I would like to thank everyone on the call for their interest in Hooker Furnishings. We look forward to sharing our fiscal twenty six first quarter results in June. Take care.

Operator

Thank you all for participating. This concludes today's program. You may

Executives
    • Earl Armstrong
      Earl Armstrong
      CFO
    • Jeremy Hoff
      Jeremy Hoff
      CEO
Analysts
    • Anthony Lebiedzinski
      Senior Equity Research Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC
    • Dave Storms
      Director of Equity Research at Stonegate Capital Partners

Key Takeaways

  • Despite an extra week in the quarter, consolidated net sales increased by 8% in Q4, driven by 21–23% gains at Hooker Branded and Home Meridian on a shipping-day basis, while domestic upholstery sales declined 7%.
  • Q4 results included $3.1 million in charges (inventory write-downs, trade name impairments, and bad debt) leading to a $2.7 million operating loss and a $2.3 million net loss (–$0.22 per share), with FY25 net loss of $12.5 million on an 8.3% sales decline.
  • Cost reduction initiatives—including the Savannah warehouse exit, facility consolidations, and a new Vietnam distribution center—are expected to yield $18 million–$20 million in annual savings by FY27, with approximately $1 million realized in FY26.
  • Hooker Branded achieved a 10% Q4 sales increase and returned to positive operating income on new collections and inventory improvements, while Home Meridian delivered a 23% gross margin—the highest since 2016—despite transition charges.
  • Liquidity is supported by nearly $19 million in cash and $41 million in available credit following strategic inventory builds, ERP investments, dividends, and capital expenditures.
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