Northern Trust Q1 2025 Earnings Report

Northern Trust EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $1.90
• Consensus EPS: $1.85
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.05
• One Year Ago EPS: N/A

Northern Trust Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $1.95 billion
• Expected Revenue: $1.95 billion
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$9.26 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

Northern Trust Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q1 2025
• Date: 4/22/2025
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 9:00AM ET

Northern Trust (NASDAQ:NTRS), a financial holding company, provides wealth management, asset servicing, asset management, and banking solutions for corporations, institutions, families, and individuals worldwide. It operates in two segments, Asset Servicing and Wealth Management. The Asset Servicing segment offers asset servicing and related services, including custody, fund administration, investment operations outsourcing, investment management, investment risk and analytical services, employee benefit services, securities lending, foreign exchange, treasury management, brokerage services, transition management services, banking, and cash management services. This segment serves corporate and public retirement funds, foundations, endowments, fund managers, insurance companies, sovereign wealth funds, and other institutional investors. The Wealth Management segment offers trust, investment management, custody, and philanthropic; financial consulting; guardianship and estate administration; family business consulting; family financial education; brokerage services; and private and business banking services. This segment serves high-net-worth individuals and families, business owners, executives, professionals, retirees, and established privately held businesses. The company also provides asset management services, such as active and passive equity; active and passive fixed income; cash management; muti-asset and alternative asset classes comprising private equity and hedge funds of funds; and multi-manager advisory services and products through separately managed accounts, bank common and collective funds, registered investment companies, exchange traded funds, non-U.S. collective investment funds, and unregistered private investment funds. In addition, it offers overlay and other risk management services. Northern Trust Corporation was founded in 1889 and is headquartered in Chicago, Illinois.

Northern Trust Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Presentation

[Operator]

Day, and welcome to the Northern Trust Corporation First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Jennifer Child, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

[Jennifer Childe, Senior VP & Director of Investor Relations at Northern Trust]

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Northern Trust Corporation's first quarter twenty twenty five earnings conference call. Joining me on our call this morning is Mike O'Grady, our Chairman and CEO Dave Fox, our Chief Financial Officer John Landers, our Controller and Trace Stegman from our Investor Relations team. Our first quarter earnings press release and financial trends report are both available on our website at northerntrust.com. Also on our website, you will find our quarterly earnings review presentation, which we will use to guide today's conference call.

[Jennifer Childe, Senior VP & Director of Investor Relations at Northern Trust]

This April 22 call is being webcast live on northerntrust.com. The only authorized rebroadcast of this call is the replay that will be made available on our website through May 21. Northern Trust disclaims any continuing accuracy of the information provided in this call after today. Please refer to our safe harbor statement regarding forward looking statements on page 12 of the accompanying presentation, which will apply to our commentary on this call. During today's question and answer session, please limit your initial query to one question and one related follow-up.

[Jennifer Childe, Senior VP & Director of Investor Relations at Northern Trust]

This will allow us to move through the queue and enable as many people as possible the opportunity to ask questions as time permits. Thank you again for joining us today. Let me turn the call over to Mike O'Grady.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Thank you, Jennifer. Let me join in welcoming you to our first quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. Our first quarter results demonstrate the strength and resilience of our business model. We generated our third consecutive quarter of positive operating leverage, driven by mid single digit growth in both trust fees and net interest income, while managing expenses well. EPS, excluding notables, increased 13%, and we generated a return on common equity of 13%, both while boosting capital levels meaningfully and returning $435,000,000 to shareholders.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Our results benefited from strong underlying market performance and elevated volatility levels, which drove strong capital markets activity late in the quarter and extended into April. Our performance also reflects continued progress implementing our One Northern Trust strategy, our road map for becoming a consistently high performing company and producing meaningful value for all stakeholders. Let me give you an update on our progress. First, optimize growth. We entered 2025 with good momentum, continuing to embed collaboration between our business units, leveraging the capabilities of the entire firm.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

We advanced our enterprise wide growth initiatives, which align with key client needs and opportunities, including alternative investment solutions, family office services, and liquidity solutions. We also concentrated on core initiatives within each of our business units. As it relates to alternatives, fundraising is particularly strong within our Asset Management segment, and we are on track to nearly double our capital raise versus prior year averages. Within Asset Servicing, new business activity in the first quarter was brisk, particularly within private markets where our technology and operational expertise have been consistent differentiators. During the quarter, we were selected as the global outsourced private capital administration provider for Igneo Infrastructure Partners, a $20,000,000,000 alternatives manager specializing in global infrastructure investments.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Expanding upon our long standing relationship with private equity firm Alchemy Partners, we were awarded the asset servicing business for a new $1,000,000,000 special opportunities fund launch. Semi liquid funds and the democratization of private markets globally remain an important area of focus, and we extended our leading market share in the quarter. Northern Trust is currently supporting over half of the approved long term asset funds or LTAS in The UK, with an additional 10 in the pipeline. Building upon the strength of our upper tier wealth business, our wealth management segment formally rolled out a dedicated ultra high net worth segment, which we've named Family Office Solutions, focusing on wealthy individuals and families with more than $100,000,000 in net worth. Already, we've seen very good client traction.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Performance in our global family office also continues to be strong. New business activity remained robust, particularly within international markets. During the quarter, we onboarded several marquee relationships in EMEA, strengthening our position as one of the leading administrators of private investment office assets in Europe. As it relates to liquidity, we've seen a healthy increase in deposit levels as a number of clients have taken a risk off approach, reallocating portfolios and raising cash. In asset management, we generated positive liquidity flows in the first quarter, continuing the trend we've seen over the past nine quarters.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Beyond liquidity, our suite of actively managed offerings, which skew towards high quality, low volatility and tax efficient products, tend to perform very well in the current environment, and we're seeing significant client interest. We had $1,700,000,000 of inflows into our custom tax optimized SMAs, which are capitalizing on market volatility to deliver increased after tax value. We're also broadening our ETF platform, having recently filed to launch 11 new fixed income ETFs later this year. Meaningful progress was also made against our other two strategic pillars, strengthening resiliency and managing risk and driving productivity. We continue on the multiyear effort to uplift our risk and control system.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

We transition from design to implementation of new capabilities that will better enable us to systematically anticipate, identify, manage, and control risks across all areas of our organization. We also advanced along our technology journey, driving towards a more stable, scalable, safe and secure environment for our stakeholders. Productivity initiatives for 2025 are well on track, fueling further critical investments in growth. Within the office of the COO, we're reengineering our operating model to enhance efficiency, standardize services, and streamline processes. At the same time, we're making continued headway with workforce initiatives and third party spend, including pursuing further vendor savings.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

To wrap up, we're off to a solid start to the year. While we face a highly challenging macroeconomic and market backdrop, we enter the current environment well positioned to navigate a wide range of outcomes. Our balance sheet strength allow us to meet the evolving needs of our clients while pressing ahead with our strategic objectives. And with that, I'll turn it

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

over to Dave to review the financials. Dave?

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Thanks, Mike. Let me join Jennifer and Mike in welcoming you to our first quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. Let's discuss the financial results of the quarter starting on Page four.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

This morning, we reported first quarter net income of $392,000,000 earnings per share of 1.9 dollars and our return on average common equity was 13%. As Mike mentioned, we delivered our third consecutive quarter of positive total operating leverage. We also reported our fourth consecutive quarter of positive trust fee operating leverage, both excluding notables. Relative to the prior year, currency movements unfavorably impacted our revenue growth by approximately 20 basis points and favorably impacted our expense growth by approximately 50 basis points. Currency movements were immaterial relative to the prior period.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

As a reminder, year over year comparisons reflect one fewer day this year as last year's first quarter included an extra day in February due to leap year. Trust investment and other servicing fees totaled $1,200,000,000 a 1% sequential decline and a 6% increase compared to last year. Net interest income on an FTE basis was 574,000,000, essentially flat compared to the prior period and up 7% from a year ago. Our assets under custody and administration were up 1% sequentially and up 3% as compared to the prior year. Our assets under management were flat sequentially and up 7% year over year.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Overall, our credit quality remains very strong. Excluding notable items in all periods, other noninterest income was down 9% sequentially and down 4% over the prior year. Revenue was down sequentially 1% and up 6% on a year over year basis. Expenses were up 3% sequentially and up 4.8% over the prior year, and earnings per share decreased 16% sequentially, but increased 13% compared to the prior year. Turning to our Asset Servicing results on page five.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Our Asset Servicing business performed well in the quarter. Transaction volumes were healthy, capital markets activities were up double digits over the prior year and new business growth continues to be booked at attractive margins. Assets under custody administration for asset servicing clients were $15,800,000,000,000 at quarter end reflecting a 3% year over year increase. Asset servicing fees totaled $672,000,000 Custody and fund administration fees were $453,000,000 up 4% year over year, largely reflecting the impact from strong underlying equity markets and new business generation. Year over year comparisons were dampened by the client exits we discussed in the second quarter of last year.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Other fees were $48,000,000 up 7% year over year, largely reflecting growth in our front office solutions product as well as higher seasonal benefit payments. Assets under management for asset servicing clients were $1,200,000,000,000 up 7% over the prior year. Investment management fees within asset servicing were 153,000,000 up a strong 9% year over year due to favorable markets and new business activities. Now moving to our Wealth Management business on Page 6. Wealth Management also had a healthy quarter with continued strength in our global family office business.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Assets under management for our wealth management clients were $447,000,000,000 at quarter end, up 6% year over year. Trust investment and other servicing fees for wealth management clients were $542,000,000 up 8% year over year, primarily due to strong equity markets. Moving to page seven on our balance sheet and net interest income trends. Our average earning assets were up 3% on a linked quarter basis, fueled by higher deposit levels, which drove an increase in cash held at the Fed and other central banks. The duration of our securities portfolio remained at one point six years and the total balance sheet duration continues to be less than one year.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Net interest income on an FTE basis was $574,000,000 flat with the fourth quarter, and our net interest margin was 1.69%, down two basis points quarter over quarter. NII outperformed our expectations largely due to higher than expected deposit levels. Average deposits were $116,000,000,000 up 3% compared to fourth quarter levels. Within this, interest bearing deposits increased by 4% and non interest bearing deposits decreased by 3%, but remained at 15% of the overall mix. Deposit pricing was largely as expected.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Institutional deposit betas remained high and wealth deposit betas were stable. The quarterly contribution from transactional and other items returned to more normal levels. Turning to our expenses on Page eight. Non interest expense was approximately $1,400,000,000 in the first quarter, up 3% sequentially and 4% as compared to the prior year. Excluding notable items in the prior period as listed on the slide, expenses in the first quarter were up 4.8% year over year, an improvement from the fourth quarter's '5 point '5 percent year over year increase.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Let's go back and review our core expenses from the quarter. Compensation expense was up 8% sequentially, largely reflecting the impact of our seasonal equity incentive grants. Comp expense increased 3% over the prior year resulting from modest levels of hiring associated with our modernization initiative and underlying growth in the business. Outside services expense increased 7% relative to the prior period largely due to higher levels of spend associated with our modernization and resiliency initiative, but it was down 3% sequentially as this same spend started to flatten out. Equipment and software expense increased 11% year over year, mostly related to higher depreciation and amortization expense and costs associated with our cloud journey.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Turning to Page nine. Our capital levels and regulatory ratios remained strong in the quarter. We continue to operate at levels well above our required regulatory minimums. Our common equity Tier one ratio under the standardized approach increased by 50 basis points on a linked quarter basis to 12.9% driven by capital accretion and a decline in RWA. Our Tier one leverage ratio was 8%, down 10 basis points from the prior quarter.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

At quarter end, our unrealized pretax loss on available for sale securities was $527,000,000 and we returned $435,000,000 to common shareholders in the quarter through cash dividends of $148,000,000 and common stock repurchases of $287,000,000 reflecting a payout ratio of 116%. Turning to our guidance, starting with expenses. We continue to expect our total operating expense growth to be below 5% for the full year, excluding notable items in both periods. Turning to NII, given our first quarter outperformance coupled with recent deposit growth, we're raising our full year guidance from low single digit growth to low to mid single digit growth. This assumes continued strong deposit levels, stable deposit mix, meaning we wouldn't expect absolute levels of NIB to move materially from current levels, but the percentage overall mix could change, market implied forward curves as of this week and relatively stable deposit pricing.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

And with that, operator, please open the line for questions.

[Operator]

Thank And our first question is going to come from Steven Chubak from Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

[Steven Chubak, Managing Director at Wolfe Research LLC]

Hi, good morning, and thanks so much for taking my questions.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Sure.

[Steven Chubak, Managing Director at Wolfe Research LLC]

So the wanted to start on a question on the deposit beta. Certainly, the NII guidance and the modest, upward revision is certainly encouraging. The cumulative beta of 86 so far this easing cycle, it certainly surprised positively, especially relative to the 72% beta we saw during the period of Fed tightening. I was hoping you could speak to what deposit beta assumption is underpinning that guidance. Just trying to gauge what sort of deposit betas we can underwrite sustainably if we get four additional cuts consistent with the forward curve.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Yeah. Our deposit betas have remained relatively stable if you look historically. But what I would say that it's obviously gonna be higher for the institutional business, closer to 100 and then lower for wealth, 60% to 70% roughly. I will also point out though that we have spent a lot of time on our deposit pricing. I mentioned this in the last earnings call and thinking a little bit about tiering and the size of our deposits, where we get our deposits.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

So I think having spent more time doing that, I think it's really it's benefited the deposit base on the positive side.

[Steven Chubak, Managing Director at Wolfe Research LLC]

That's great. And for my follow-up, on the fee outlook and the impact on expenses, just given you're going to have to absorb some of the negative marks related to month and quarter lag pricing, both in the servicing side as well as in the wealth business. Dave, it sounds like you were reaffirming the 5% or better expense guide, but wanted to better understand how much flex you have if those fee pressures intensify and we don't necessarily see a inflection or recovery in equity markets over the course of the year?

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Yeah. Yeah. We we are dedicated to keeping that expense growth rate below 5%. I'd point out that at the beginning of the year as we were doing our planning, we spent a lot of time identifying discretionary and nondiscretionary spending. So we know exactly what we have to do to flex.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

And I think you also heard me say in the previous call that we're trying to build a more flexible business model that can basically, you know, adjust itself as market conditions either get better or get worse. Right? So we know where we have to do it. We know what our our levers are. They're gonna be, you know, obviously in the in the consulting side, outside services, technology spend and then potentially even on incentives as well.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

So we've got a management team, I think, that's really driving towards having strong positive operating leverage through all the cycles. And that's why I'm willing to say we're going obviously stay within that below 5%. Currency creates a bit of a headwind for us. From my perspective, it's neutral in the sense that it helps us on the revenue side and hurts us on the expense side. And that's obviously going be something we have to manage more proactively.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

But at the end of the day, we don't control it. And we're still based on the current exchange rates, we still think we can get to that 5% or below.

[Steven Chubak, Managing Director at Wolfe Research LLC]

Very helpful color. Thanks so

[Operator]

much for taking my questions. And

[Operator]

our next caller is Betsy Graseck from Morgan Stanley.

[Betsy Graseck, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

Hi. Good morning. Mike, during your prepared remarks, you mentioned that you had some capital markets activity that was pretty hot towards the end of the quarter, and then it bled into April. Could you talk a little bit about what type of capital markets activity you're referring to there? Has it continued in, you know, into April, meaning now?

[Betsy Graseck, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

Thank you.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Sure. So the level of volatility in the markets obviously has different impacts. One of them is that in general, it does tend to drive more what we would consider capital markets activity for us, which would be foreign exchange and then also brokerage. And in particular, I would say within that is our integrated trading services, where, you know, we are essentially the outsourced trading desk for, asset manager clients. And so as they see, you know, repositioning happening, in their portfolios, that's something that flows through to us.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

So, it it was a little bit, as I was saying, in the first quarter, and more just the momentum, that's carried into to April here, and we'll see where it goes from there.

[Betsy Graseck, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

Okay. Got it. And then follow-up question is on the family office solutions, which launched this quarter. Is that right? Did I get that right?

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

You got it right.

[Betsy Graseck, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

Okay. So can you talk a little bit about your plans for this new what should we call it? Sleeve offering segment? I mean, I you've long had this capability set, but by putting it together in this way, it'd be helpful to understand what how you see the drivers from here in terms of rebranding within your current client set versus attracting new customers? And is this something that you would be taking beyond The US?

[Betsy Graseck, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

Thank you.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Sure. And and you have it right there, Betsy, as to to how we're looking at this, which is from a capability perspective, we have family office office capabilities as part of our global family office business and have been very successful in serving clients and and growing the business on that front. And then from a segment perspective, the ultra high net worth segment, so think about a hundred million and above, we've also been very successful in in serving that segment of clients. And what what this is about is trying to deliver that capability set, of family office services to the ultra high net worth segment. So right now, for an ultra high net worth client, for the most part, we're we're providing a very bespoke service offering to them.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

They're surrounded, and it's a high level of service, for that client base. And yet we have clients in that segment that are looking to outsource more of more of those, activities, you know, to us, and it's a broader set. So beyond what you would think about as far as traditional wealth advisory, trust, fiduciary, banking, you know, they're also looking for a more robust reporting capability. They're looking for outsourced bill payment. They're looking for more of an OCIO type investment service.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

So it's those capabilities that we're already providing to family offices just being able to do it on an outsourced basis, for ultra high net worth clients. And to your point, this is both, the opportunity to improve or enhance the service to existing ultra high net worth clients, but absolutely, an ability for us to grow that base of clients with these services.

[Betsy Graseck, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

Thank you.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Sure.

[Operator]

And our next caller is gonna be Ken Houston from Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.

[Ken Usdin, Senior Research Analyst at Autonomous Research]

Hey, guys. Good morning. Nice to see the the little incremental buyback. Just wondering and now even with the even higher CET1 ratio at 12.9%, I know you had previously talked about doing greater than the 78% total capital return you did last year. Can you talk about your comfort with that?

[Ken Usdin, Senior Research Analyst at Autonomous Research]

Or just given the environment and where capital still is going, could you still move that up forward more and get more back to shareholders?

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Yes.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

So I'll take a crack at that. Know we love our flexibility, and it's hard in a point in time to know exactly where you're going to land. Particularly in uncertain markets, you wanna make sure you're there for your clients. And so it trended up this quarter. There's obviously some room to to to take it down.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

And I will remind you that we did pay out a 16% of earnings, which is an insignificant versus the 90% we did in in q one. So, I I know, our range is 11 to 12% on CET1, and that that hasn't changed. We do watch our capital levels compared to our peers. You know? And so we we like the the higher payout levels.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

I think going forward of around a % could be something that we could we could aim more towards going forward.

[Ken Usdin, Senior Research Analyst at Autonomous Research]

Makes sense. Great. And a follow-up on the expense side. So expenses to trust fees, calculating around $1.18, about flat year over year. I know you have the long term goal, one zero five, one 10.

[Ken Usdin, Senior Research Analyst at Autonomous Research]

And I know there's a direction of travel that you're aspiring for, but given Steven's prior comments about the market headwinds that you're facing, do you expect to see directional improvement there as we move forward? And I guess there's a push and pull with, as you already mentioned, you're trying to get the expense growth rate lower. So just how do we just think about that? Thanks.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Yeah. Well, there's obviously two components to that ratio. You know, in in the trust fee environment right now, given what's happening in the capital markets, is gonna be something that we, again, we don't control. What I what I try to focus people on is organic, you know, organic trust fee growth and organic expenses. Those are the only things that we really have pretty much complete control over.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

So what we try to do is drive those down as much as we possibly can, and then we have to just confront whatever market environment that we have at the time. And there's certain things that that are gonna sort of we're just gonna have to accept them. So the more we drive down the organic side and drive up the trust fees, then we're gonna be in better shape. So that that's sort of how we think about it. And then it all ends up being in the expenses of trust fees, but again, that doesn't that that includes all the market gyrations that are in there as well.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

And clearly, our targets are are are much lower than where we currently are.

[Ken Usdin, Senior Research Analyst at Autonomous Research]

Got it. Thank you, Dave.

[Operator]

And our next question is gonna come from Mike Mayo from Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.

[Mike Mayo, Managing Director at Wells Fargo]

Hi. Just some clarification on your other answers. So Family Office Solutions, you have Global Family Office. That's one fifth of your wealth revenues. So family office solutions, what do you imagine as the total addressable market?

[Mike Mayo, Managing Director at Wells Fargo]

How much of that of your current family office revenues is that today? What geographies are you targeting? Are you hiring people for that? Because it seems like you certainly talk a lot about this, especially relative to its side in terms of revenue contribution. So I'd you could just flesh that out a little bit more.

[Mike Mayo, Managing Director at Wells Fargo]

Thanks.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Sure. So, you know, as

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

far as the the addressable market, you know, the ultra high net worth market, very large. And if if you look at just our client base, the number of clients that would fall into this category is is in the hundreds, kinda three to 400 existing clients that would fit this profile. I don't I don't have, I'll say, a percentage of revenue number for you on that front. And so it's already a large client base for us. It's just one that we think with the growth, in that market and our brand in that market and our capabilities, it's one that we can both grow with the market but also, take share in doing that.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

And then to your point on on hiring people, absolutely are adding resources, to this. It it is a different model, than what we've had where, in this case here, as I mentioned, it's like an outsourced, family office capability. And so the primary interface for those clients is essentially the, you know, the quarterback for that relationship. So in a family office situation, you know, that that person is, you know, an employee, if you will, of the family, who's directing all that activity. In this case here, that's a Northern Trust employee who is the the quarterback or the director of all of those activities.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

We absolutely have people that do that now, but as we're growing this business, we are adding additional talent to to be able to continue to resource the growth there. And then I would just also add to it, there are also technology capabilities that are a part of this. So, you know, for the family office business, that's all delivered, you know, through a comprehensive technology platform, if you will, where we act as, you know, essentially the overall integrator of the various types of technology for a family office. And in this case here, you know, to be able to provide that on a more a la carte basis, if you will, for the ultra ultra high net worth clients, There's some technology build that we're investing in as well.

[Mike Mayo, Managing Director at Wells Fargo]

So Family Office Solutions, Northern would kinda be the the CFO on behalf of the family as opposed to the existing family office. Okay. Got it. And the other question relates to, relates to the question, about capital. I mean, you have so much CET one.

[Mike Mayo, Managing Director at Wells Fargo]

It went up so much more again. You're so far above your minimum. On the one hand, I I think a lot of your stakeholders, you know, like that. You survived the Great Depression. You're one of two big banks that didn't cut the dividend during the global financial crisis.

[Mike Mayo, Managing Director at Wells Fargo]

You like that perception of trust and resiliency. You know, I get it. On the other hand, it's hard to know where that line is between having enough for that resiliency and having so much that you have some trapped capital. So, you know, what are your thoughts about, you know, acquisitions or accelerating the buyback? I know that's already come up.

[Mike Mayo, Managing Director at Wells Fargo]

Or and what kind of deregulatory benefits are that you could potentially get under the new regime? Sure.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

So your preamble there, Mike, covered a lot of the things that I would start with as well. So all that said, we are in a very good position from a capital perspective. To the extent that we thought that there was something inorganic that we could do, which would be a good deployment of that capital, we we would consider it. I would say at this point, that's not a priority on that front. That's why we are in a position to do higher repurchases.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

As Dave mentioned, in the quarter, we were over 100%. All else equal, as we go forward here, we think that % is the right level to think about. And to your point, as far as any changes in the capital regime, you know, we'll start with what we think is is the necessary amount of capital, but we've also talked previously about the the importance of being, you know, at or above the level of some of our peers. So to the extent that it changes within the industry, you know, that that changes that constraint, if you will, as well and gives us even more flexibility to do things like that.

[Operator]

And

[Operator]

our next question is going to come from Ebrahim Poonawala from Bank of America.

[Ebrahim Poonawala, Managing Director - Head of North American Banks Research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch]

I just wanted

[Ebrahim Poonawala, Managing Director - Head of North American Banks Research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch]

to follow-up, I guess, Dave, on the expense front. I think if you go back when you took took over as CFO, we had the sort of leadership changes. You talked about the focus in terms of creating a COO role and the focus on vendor contracts, on just moving business heads to manage some of these things. Just give us a sense of any proof points on what you achieved or seen so far. I know it's early days, but as we think about the expense flex and the operating leverage in the business that may come through over the next year or two, it would help us inform how much we can rely on expense flex.

[Ebrahim Poonawala, Managing Director - Head of North American Banks Research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch]

So I would love to hear things that have been achieved in the last sort of six, seven months since these changes occurred. And and and what's the runway here in terms of what inning are we in in terms of identifying productivity opportunities? Thank you.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Sure. And I think that's a a good framework to think about it. Dave mentioned, you know, a number of things that we have been doing, and that you're asking about the time frames in front of us. So, you know, on that front, again, we've been very focused on making sure that we have an efficient workforce, and that has produced efficiencies for us in the most recent periods. Of course, we'll continue to do that.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

There's still more opportunities to look at the way that we're organized, spans of control, location strategy, a number of initiatives across that front that will that will continue to deliver productivity for us. We're also, in the earlier stages of continuing to deploy, I'll say technology, and I say that in the sense of, you know, technologies that have been available like machine learning, natural language processing that we're able to deploy to create efficiencies and productivity, and then in the earlier stages of generative AI. So areas where we're using GitHub, for example, for IT or software development automation, which, again, we're we're getting, I'll say, very good results on that front, but it's in the very early days of deploying that. And also looking to deploy more for digitization of all the documentation that we utilize and have to process for our clients. And and along those lines, if you think about a lot of the activities in the asset servicing business in our operations that relate to workflow management, That's something where we're deploying the technology to continue to automate that much more.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

And then to your point of even beyond that, we've talked about the fact that we we've reorganized, but that's that's only part of it when we think about the COO organization that's been set up. It's also a change in our operating model where we're moving towards a a more capability driven operating model. That's where we're taking common services or activities or processes that cut across the company and looking to centralize, standardize, and automate those processes. So thinking about client onboarding, which happens across the company, or portfolio accounting, and those capabilities. And also our our client, platforms or portals, you know, our passports where we have multiple passports to the extent that we can standardize those across the various businesses, geographies, that creates those longer term productivity and efficiency opportunities.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

So a number of things that we're doing now, but much more that we can do as we go forward to ensure we're getting consistent productivity.

[Ebrahim Poonawala, Managing Director - Head of North American Banks Research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch]

That's good color, Mike. Thanks for talking through that. And maybe one, Dave, heard your guidance on NII. Just remind us in terms of sensitivity to rate cuts, how we should think about that going forward, rapid rate cuts. Is that a negative?

[Ebrahim Poonawala, Managing Director - Head of North American Banks Research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch]

How you think how how are you just going about managing the balance sheet from an ALCO perspective? Thank you.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Yeah. We have, you know, in our model, we've got two or three rate cuts potentially in there. From our perspective, it doesn't really impact it all that much, to be honest with you. The NIM compression really doesn't start until we get much, much lower rates. And if you want to think about it, roughly speaking, a 25 basis point rate cut, it translates into less than than a $1,000,000 a month for us.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

So so it isn't it isn't something that we we we anticipated, but this is something that's gonna prevent us from hitting our goal.

[Operator]

And

[Operator]

our next question is going to come from Glenn Schorr from Evercore.

[Glenn Schorr, Senior Managing Director & Senior Research Analyst at Evercore]

Hi. Thanks. Talk about, some of the alternative good morning. Maybe talk about some of the alternative initiatives you have in motion. Let's talk maybe asset and wealth management first.

[Glenn Schorr, Senior Managing Director & Senior Research Analyst at Evercore]

In terms of delivering a more complete set of solutions, I'm I'm curious if you get what you could tell us and what's in motion in terms of both proprietary and third party product that you might be onboarding, what signposts we might be looking to see throughout this year. Appreciate it.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Sure. Absolutely. So, alternative, solutions, definitely, important growth initiative for us across the company. To to your question as it relates to wealth management, what we're looking to do there, Glenn, is to enhance and expand the opportunity set, for our clients. And it is a combination of both, know, proprietary but also third party funds.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

So, fifty South Capital, is our, alternatives, investment manager within NTAAM. And on that front, you know, we've we've been very successful with our wealth clients in raising funds over time, combination of fund to funds, but also other types of, I'll say, direct capabilities such as secondaries and co investments. And we look to, this year, essentially double the fundraising capacity or actual fundraising amount to what we've done in previous years on average. And then on the other hand, we have our our wealth management alternatives platform, which has third party funds on that. And that's an area where, likewise, we're looking to increase the number of funds this year that we offer to our clients and also look to potentially increase the size of the average offering on that front.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

You know, that does require an investment. So that's why when you say, you know, what's happening on that front, there's a lot happening to ensure that we do that in a way that gets the right outcomes, for our clients, ensuring that, we provide the right education around alternatives and how it fits into the the portfolio, of our clients. And so, yes, big area of focus for us both on our own, I'll say, and through third parties.

[Glenn Schorr, Senior Managing Director & Senior Research Analyst at Evercore]

Great. Maybe I'll I'll I'll continue the theme and just ask a follow-up on the servicing side. In your prepared remarks, you you talked about the semi liquid funds important focus and and doing, half, you said, or a little more than half of of what's going on in The UK. US is obviously a huge market for semi liquids. I'm just curious if that technology backbone that you're having success with in The UK is literally the same thing or can be tweaked to, to go after The US market and if that's a a clear plan.

[Glenn Schorr, Senior Managing Director & Senior Research Analyst at Evercore]

I appreciate it.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Yeah. So yeah. So to to your point, the the markets are different. I'll say similar but different. So that capability with the LTAPs in in The UK, for example, there is a similar structure, investment vehicle structure in Luxembourg in that in that market, if you will.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

And as you know, that then is a market where you can distribute across Europe. Likewise, we've had success on that front, and I would say there there's activity there. Similarly, Ireland, you know, has its own structure. So, yes, you need the expertise. Yes, you have the capability.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

It does require, I'll say, you know, customizing for that marketplace. And so we have the ability to do that. And within The US, again, it's a different approach and structure for that market, but one that we've had growth in The U. S. With private capital and expect to going forward as well.

[Glenn Schorr, Senior Managing Director & Senior Research Analyst at Evercore]

All right. Thank you.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Sure.

[Operator]

And our next question comes from Gerard Cassidy from RBC. Please go ahead.

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Good morning, Dave. Good morning, Mike.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Good morning.

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Can you guys

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets]

share with us, it might be difficult to do this, but how can you calibrate the fee revenues for asset values versus volumes? So if the global asset values were to continue to decline this year, how much can that be offset on your revenues with increased volumes?

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Yeah. I mean, so our AUC is about 50% equities and 30% fixed income AUM is about 56% equities. We are levered towards the equity markets, right, from that perspective. So it's gonna be volume and it's gonna be mix. Obviously, it's gonna be super important there as well.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Also keep in mind that within, you know, the AUC bucket, a lot of the stuff that we do in asset servicing is custody agnostic. We're moving more towards a solution based revenues like front office solutions and integrated trading solutions and things of that nature. So what you know, assets under custody are super important, but we've added a ton of extra services around all of that that it's less affected by that by by that volume.

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Very good. And then as a follow-up, a broader macro question. There's obviously change coming in on the regulatory front. We've seen as recently as Friday an NPR come out from the feds on the stress capital buffer. Can you guys give us your views on the Basel III endgame?

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets]

What changes might what it might mean for Northern Trust? Also, there's talk about excluding government securities from the supplementary leverage ratio. If you wrap it all together, how are you guys looking at it and how it might impact the way you run your business going forward?

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Sure. So, you know, the the regulatory, you know, environment and and framework is absolutely continuing to change. I mean, Basel III endgame, you know, has been out there for some time period. Can't quite reach the the endgame on that front. I would say within that that aspect or that, you know, regime, it's mostly about operational risk and how that gets treated from a capital perspective.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

You know, to the extent that, you know, it is a more, I'll call it, refined model that relates to your particular operations and the actual risk that you have, that tends to be favorable, from our perspective as opposed to more blunt instrument approaches, to operational risk, which tend to, overweight the level of risk for a lot of the activities that we have. So, you know, on that front, I would say, you know, positive in the most recent developments as to how they're looking at at operational risk. And to your point on supplemental ratio leverage ratio, again, as a custody bank, we tend to, you know, be a, you know, a valve, if you will, or a flex point for liquidity in the marketplace. We have plenty of capacity on that front right now. But certainly to the extent that something like treasuries, receives different treatment as a part of that calculation, it only gives us, more capacity.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

I I would say at this point, there's there's no particular, you know, say, need or or relief that would, be required for us based on our our activities. It would just create more capacity.

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Very good. Thank you.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Sure.

[Operator]

And our next caller is going to be David Smith from Truist Securities.

[David Smith, Vice President Equity Research at Truist Securities]

Good morning. Can you speak some more about how the market volatility impacts new business on the one hand and client attrition on the other? Are clients less likely to make big moves, you know, in terms of custodian or manager during times like this? And just lastly, do these trends look different in asset servicing versus wealth right now? Thank you.

[David Smith, Vice President Equity Research at Truist Securities]

Sure.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Yeah. I do think that market volatility, uncertainty can drive client decision making. And so it's we haven't seen anything, I would say, significant at this point. But, frankly, you know, we're still in the first month, you know, of this really high level of of volatility. And so we'll see how that plays out.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

But, yeah, it it can run counter to decision making. And and then I would say as to how it might differ, you know, on the institutional side, these tend to be, you know, longer, longer time periods for decision making, you know, where they tend to be running RFPs over, many months. And so those tend to continue along because, you know, they're they're, I'll say, more accustomed to changes in the marketplace. On the wealth front, it it can cause a pause for people to actually switch over. But, frankly, it just builds up the the, the pipelines, to the extent that, you know, we've made the case, to be able to to switch the account.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

But as to the timing as to when they wanna do it, it just may take a little bit longer to do on that front. So early days on that front, you know, but there certainly can be an impact from from volatility.

[David Smith, Vice President Equity Research at Truist Securities]

And then as a follow-up, you've seen some nice acceleration in expenses over the past few quarters, but it also does seem like your organic flow is backing out market impacts or lagging peers at the same time. What what gives you the confidence that you're making all the necessary investments in growth at the same time that you're working to bring expenses down?

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Yep. That the way you described it is certainly the objective, and that's why the productivity pillar of our of our strategy, is critical because it creates that capacity to be able to invest in the growth initiatives that we talked about. So certainly on the alternatives front, on the family office services front to be able to do it. But then there there are a number of other growth initiatives that we're looking and and are funding to ensure that we can move that organic growth rate up. Most of them within wealth management and asset management.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

And so we've talked about some of them, but I also mentioned in some of my opening comments in asset management around ETFs where we'll be launching a number of new funds later this year on that front. We talked a little bit about tax managed equity, another area that we're investing not as much in the capability from a investment perspective where we're very strong, but from a technology perspective to be able to do that in an even more scalable way. So, yes, continuing to invest to be able to, fund organic growth.

[David Smith, Vice President Equity Research at Truist Securities]

Thank you.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Sure.

[Operator]

And our next question is gonna come from Jim Mitchell from Seaport Global Securities.

[James Mitchell, Senior Equity Analyst at Seaport Global Securities]

Hey. Good morning. Maybe just a couple of follow ups on wealth. In the family office solutions business, obviously, some ultra high net worth clients are moving from the more traditional relationship to a family office, is that more of an effort to make that relationship stickier, or is there also a material revenue pickup as they convert?

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Yeah. I would say it's a it's a a combination of things. You know, one is to just enhance the the service level, if you will. You know, this idea of being able to outsource more gives them, you know, a a higher level of of service. Second, I would say is, it's our ability to to win more business.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

You know, we see a greater demand for that setup where they have an outsourced family office provider, if you will, where they have that quarterback, So it enables us to to grow. And then third, I would say is around the scalability of what we're doing. You know, overall, this this segment, you know, I would say, is not a, you know, terribly scalable offering. It's it's very high needs. It's very, expert driven.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

In many cases, you know, very bespoke for the clients and what their needs are. And so anything we can do to improve the scalability enables us to grow faster and and, more profitably. And then to your point as well, we think if we do a great job, we'll continually earn that business, and the business will be sticky for us as well.

[James Mitchell, Senior Equity Analyst at Seaport Global Securities]

Right. No. That makes sense. And then maybe just bigger picture that's obviously been a pace place while, generally, you've pivoted to try to drive organic growth improvements. You've highlighted a a few ex examples of success across alts, etcetera.

[James Mitchell, Senior Equity Analyst at Seaport Global Securities]

So how do you how are you feeling better, worse on sort of the organic growth acceleration that you're trying to get? And if if you have any intermediate targets on where you can get that organic growth to in wealth?

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Sure. Yeah. So, feel very good about the initiatives that we have in place, and our progress on them. But I I would say on some of these, they are in the earlier days or earlier stages, on that front. And the nature of this business is, you you you earn them one by one in many respects.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

So it's different than our institutional business where you have, you know, very, very large mandates that can drive a higher growth rate in a shorter period of time. And then I'll also say one of the keys is really being able to execute on our One Northern Trust strategy. And and what I mean by that is just delivering the entire firm. So it's not, I'll say, just wealth management. It it's the entire firm.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

It's asset management. And when appropriate, also, the asset servicing and banking capabilities, that our wealth clients need.

[James Mitchell, Senior Equity Analyst at Seaport Global Securities]

Okay. Thanks thanks for the color.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Sure.

[Operator]

And our next question is going to come from Vivek Janaeja from JPMorgan.

[Vivek Juneja, Analyst at JP Morgan]

Hi. Thanks. Just want a clarification on your fees in both servicing and asset management. Dave, I heard you say, you know, you're you've added a lot of services, and then you also mentioned in your release about, you know, the lag defect that you always have from asset values. Obviously, fourth quarter asset values did well.

[Vivek Juneja, Analyst at JP Morgan]

But when I look at your servicing and asset management fees, both were down linked quarter. Any color on what drove that down and and how we should think about it given that q one was actually down further? So any any thoughts on all this?

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

So the way to think about the billing lags is sort of 2525% quarterly, 60% monthly, and 15% daily is sort of the way we think about it. So, you know, obviously, the quarterly benefit, we'll we'll still see it going into q two because March 31 wasn't was before Liberation Day. So we're still gonna see an impact there. But, you know, going forward, it obviously will will catch up to us unless the markets will, you know, come back materially.

[Vivek Juneja, Analyst at JP Morgan]

Okay. And then completely different topic. Maybe, Mike, your fee revenues, both servicing and asset management, what percentage is non US? And as you think about growth, I know Jason in the past has talked on this call has talked about, you know, wanting to add a lot of, growth internationally too. What are you thinking as you've done your plans in terms of how much of the growth you expect either coming from international in next year, next three years?

[Vivek Juneja, Analyst at JP Morgan]

Any on that?

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Sure. So, roughly 25 to 30% of our revenue is non US. I and that, you know, will vary over time quarter to quarter, but that gives you some idea of the, the distribution there. And I would say from a growth perspective, that that each of our businesses has a, you know, non US or international growth component, to it. You know, again, the the markets can change and the dynamics can change, but there are certain areas where we think there is more of a growth opportunity internationally with the businesses.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

So for example, within the family office business, it'll continue to grow in The US, but we've been growing at a higher rate outside of The US as well. Some meaningful wins even in the quarter here where we think that opportunity and our capability set continues to offer a higher growth opportunity. And then in asset servicing, as much as we've had good success, for example, in the quarter here with our US Asset Owner client base, we continue to win in EMEA and in APAC as well. So I don't see that mix, I would say, meaningfully changing, as we go forward here and, you know, continues to have that type of balance.

[Vivek Juneja, Analyst at JP Morgan]

And just a clarification, though. 25 to 30%, Mike, were you referring to fee revenues, I'm presuming? That's that's total revenue. And what would it be for fee revenues?

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

I I don't know offhand. I we'll have to follow-up with that, Vivek.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Yeah. Dollars still represent about 80% of our trust fees.

[Vivek Juneja, Analyst at JP Morgan]

Okay.

[Vivek Juneja, Analyst at JP Morgan]

Yep. Thanks.

[Operator]

Our next question is gonna come from Alex Bohlstein from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

[Alex Blostein, Managing Director at Goldman Sachs]

Hey, everybody. Thanks for squeezing me in here. Just a couple of follow ups for me. First, maybe on NII. Understanding that the environment is obviously quite volatile, I think in your forward guidance, you guys are assuming fairly stable deposits.

[Alex Blostein, Managing Director at Goldman Sachs]

I'm assuming that's to average in Q1, but maybe give us an update on kind of how things stand so far in April, both in terms of the level and the mix, just given all the volatility we've seen so far in the second quarter.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Yeah. I mean deposit levels are hanging in there. And, obviously, you know, you'll you know, March 31 was a point in time, but but at the end of the day, our clients, I think, are you know, have taken a somewhat of a risk off position in the marketplace, and they think they view Northern as a good place to to put their deposits. And so from our perspective, you know, the the deposit levels are are driving a little bit, obviously, of the the the guide I've given you going forward, and we don't see them abating, you know, obviously, for the next couple of months. And so from that perspective, we feel pretty good about that.

[Alex Blostein, Managing Director at Goldman Sachs]

Right. So okay. That makes sense. And then in terms of just the mix as well, could you just kinda help us think about what should we be looking out for when thinking about the mix going forward? The risk off environment doesn't seem to change the miss mix rather drastically.

[Alex Blostein, Managing Director at Goldman Sachs]

It sounds like noninterest bearing deposit is still kinda hanging in around the same level in terms percentages. But what would change that, and what sort of the client segment that will be most responsible, I guess, for that shift?

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

So yeah. So keep in mind that 50% of our securities reprice in ninety days or less, and over 80% of the book is in US dollars. And then we've got about a billion of fixed securities that run off each quarter and then are being reinvested in fixed and floating. And we have our duration has gone up a little teeny bit, but we have been taking the opportunity to think a little bit about protecting 26, if you will, so, you know, from that perspective. So and and also keep in mind that about 70% of our deposits are in US dollars.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Right? So there are opportunities for us to do some arbitrage opportunities between those currencies and things of that nature. And as I said before, deposit betas are gonna remain pretty steady until we get to much lower interest rate levels. So that that's sort of what's driving the NII outlook.

[Alex Blostein, Managing Director at Goldman Sachs]

Gotcha. Okay. And then just another quick one on expenses. So I heard you guys in terms of your prepared remarks and the outlook for for this year. Just given the more uncertain macro backdrop and the effect will be delayed on fees that lower markets might have on you guys.

[Alex Blostein, Managing Director at Goldman Sachs]

Could you just remind us the percentage of your expense base that flexes directly with lower asset levels? There are some things like sub advisory or sub custody fees and things like that I think are quite floating. But if you look at your expense base more holistically, what percentage of that is sort of truly variable with the fee revenue?

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Not as much as as you might think. Roughly, it's less than half a percent. Right? So Okay. The general fund we give you guys is the 10% change in the markets is about a 3% change in trust fees, 2% revenues.

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

Unfortunately, on the way down, we don't get as much benefit from those kind of fees going down.

[Alex Blostein, Managing Director at Goldman Sachs]

Okay.

[Alex Blostein, Managing Director at Goldman Sachs]

Great. All right. Thanks so much. And

[Operator]

our next question is going to come from Gerard Cassidy from RBC.

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Hi, guys. Just a quick follow-up. Dave, what, you guys obviously took a nice gain from your Visa position last year. Could you just update us where it stands now on the balance sheet, what the value is, and what you're thinking of doing with the remaining shares that you may own?

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

So on the balance sheet, Gerard, it said zero. So it has not been, you know, marked up, if you will. And at this point, I would consider it, you know, restricted. If Visa does create the opportunity to liquidate an additional portion of that, I think we'll, you know, we'll consider it at that point and and with with the same decision making framework that we did before when we decided to take advantage of that, and liquidate half of our our position at that time. And and at this point, don't really have any more visibility into it.

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Got it. And just and maybe reword the question. What's the unrealized gain potential, I guess, is was the better question since it's carried at zero on the balance sheet?

[David Fox, Chief Financial Officer at Northern Trust]

About 1,100,000,000.0 pretax.

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Great. Okay. Super. Appreciate that. Thank you.

[Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO at Northern Trust]

Sure.

[Operator]

And there are no further questions in the queue at this time. I will now turn the conference back over to Jennifer Child for closing remarks.

[Jennifer Childe, Senior VP & Director of Investor Relations at Northern Trust]

Thanks, operator. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We look forward to speaking with you again in the future.

[Operator]

And this concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Jennifer Childe, Senior VP & Director of Investor Relations
• Michael O'grady, Chairman & CEO
• David Fox, Chief Financial Officer

Analysts

• Steven Chubak, Managing Director at Wolfe Research LLC
• Betsy Graseck, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley
• Ken Usdin, Senior Research Analyst at Autonomous Research
• Mike Mayo, Managing Director at Wells Fargo
• Ebrahim Poonawala, Managing Director - Head of North American Banks Research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch
• Glenn Schorr, Senior Managing Director & Senior Research Analyst at Evercore
• Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets
• David Smith, Vice President Equity Research at Truist Securities
• James Mitchell, Senior Equity Analyst at Seaport Global Securities
• Vivek Juneja, Analyst at JP Morgan
• Alex Blostein, Managing Director at Goldman Sachs