First Financial Bancorp. Q1 2025 Earnings Report

First Financial Bancorp. EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.63
• Consensus EPS: $0.63
• Beat/Miss: Met Expectations
• One Year Ago EPS: $0.59

First Financial Bancorp. Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $201.59 million
• Expected Revenue: $214.80 million
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$13.21 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: +2.60%

First Financial Bancorp. Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q1 2025
• Date: 4/24/2025
• Time: After Market Closes
• Conference Call Date: Friday, April 25, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 8:30AM ET

First Financial Bancorp. (NASDAQ:FFBC) operates as the bank holding company for First Financial Bank that provides commercial banking and related services to individuals and businesses in Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, and Illinois. The company offers checking, savings, and money-market accounts; and accepts various deposit products, such as interest-bearing and non-interest-bearing accounts, time deposits, and cash management services for commercial customers. It also provides real estate loans secured by residential property, such as one to four family residential housing units or commercial property comprising owner-occupied and/or investor income producing real estate consisting of apartments, shopping centers, and office buildings; commercial and industrial loans for various purposes, including inventory, receivables, and equipment, as well as equipment and leasehold improvement financing for franchisees; consumer loans comprising new and used vehicle loans, second mortgages on residential real estate, and unsecured loans; and home equity lines of credit. In addition, the company offers commercial financing to the insurance industry, registered investment advisors, certified public accountants, indirect auto finance companies, and restaurant franchisees. Further, it provides a range of trust and wealth management services; lease and equipment financing services; and currency payments, foreign exchange hedging, and other advisory products. First Financial Bancorp. was founded in 1863 and is headquartered in Cincinnati, Ohio.

First Financial Bancorp. Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• First Financial delivered adjusted EPS of $0.63 in Q1, with a return on assets of 1.33% and return on tangible common equity of 17.8%; net interest margin was 3.88% and is expected to expand as deposit costs continue to decline.
• Loan balances were stable as seasonal C&I and CRE payoffs outpaced originations, but healthy pipelines across consumer, C&I and CRE suggest modest growth in Q2 despite ongoing ICRE prepayment pressure.
• Noninterest expenses fell by 3.3% quarter-over-quarter—driven by lower incentive compensation and fraud losses—and FTEs have been reduced by 7% (ex-Agile acquisition), with further efficiency gains anticipated.
• Asset quality metrics improved as annualized net charge-offs declined to 36 basis points and nonperforming assets fell 9.5%, despite one large C&I loss; credit costs are expected to remain stable in the 25–30 basis-point range.
• Capital ratios remain strong, with tangible common equity at 8.2% and tangible book value per share up 5% sequentially to $14.80; the dividend will be maintained and additional capital actions are under review.

Presentation

[Operator]

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. My name is Kelvin, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the First Financial Bancorp First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session.

[Operator]

Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Scott Crowley. Please go ahead.

[Scott Crawley, Corporate Controller at First Financial Bancorp]

Thank you, Kelvin. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's conference call to discuss First Financial Bancorp's first quarter financial results. Participating on today's call will be Archie Brown, President and Chief Executive Officer Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer and Bill O'Hara, Chief Credit Officer. Both the press release we issued yesterday and the accompanying slide presentation are available on our website at www.bankatfirst.com under the Investor Relations section. We'll make reference to the slides contained in the accompanying presentation during today's call.

[Scott Crawley, Corporate Controller at First Financial Bancorp]

Additionally, please refer to the forward looking statement disclosure contained in the first quarter twenty twenty five earnings release as well as our SEC filings for a full discussion of the company's risk factors. The information we will provide today is accurate as of 03/31/2025, and we will not be updating any forward looking statements to reflect facts or circumstances after this call. I'll now turn the call over to Archie Brown.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Thanks, Scott. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's call. Yesterday afternoon, we announced our financial results for the first quarter. Before I turn the call over to Jamie, I'd like to make provide a few comments on our recent performance. We had another pleased with our performance overall.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Adjusted earnings per share was $0.63 with a return on assets of 1.33% and a return on tangible common equity of 17.8%. Our net interest margin remained strong, but declined slightly for the quarter the decline in loan yields outpaced the decrease in deposit costs. Given current short term interest rates, we expect the margin to expand in the near term. Loan balances were stable during the quarter. First quarter loan production was seasonally lower.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

This, along with the workout of several C and I credits and accelerated payoff pressure in the ICRE portfolio, impacted loan growth for the period. We expect a modest level of growth in the second quarter as loan pipelines in our consumer, C and I and ICRE lines of business are very healthy. However, elevated prepayments in ICRE are expected to continue. Fee income was in line with our expectations at $61,000,000 representing a decline from the linked quarter due to seasonal fluctuations and less foreign exchange income, which offset another record revenue quarter for our wealth management business. We expect seasonal rebounds in the second quarter and a healthy increase in fee income overall.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Are very pleased with our expense management during the quarter as noninterest expenses declined by 3.3% due to a decrease in incentive compensation and lower fraud losses. Our efficiency efforts are ongoing and excluding acquisition of Agile in the first quarter of last year have resulted in a 7% reduction in FTE. We remain diligent in managing our expenses and expect additional benefits from our optimization efforts in coming periods. We were pleased with the improvements in our asset quality metrics for the quarter. Net charge offs declined four basis points from the linked quarter, while nonperforming assets declined by 9.5%.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

In the near term, we expect asset quality to continue to improve. With respect to tariffs, we do not yet know their impact and remain in close contact with our clients to assist them through any uncertainty. Capital ratios are strong and continue to grow in the first quarter. Our regulatory ratios were well in excess of regulatory minimums and our tangible common equity ratio increased to 8.2%. Tangible book value per share increased to $14.8 representing a 5% increase from the linked quarter and 18% over the last year.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

We're focused on growing our tangible book value and are pleased that in the last three years, tangible book value per share has increased by 35%. Lastly, I want to mention how proud I am of two other first quarter events. First Financial has been selected for the Gallup Exceptional Workplace Award for associate engagement. This distinction is earned by less than 3% of the thousands of companies that Gallup partners with worldwide. Engagement is a core part of our strategy, and I want to acknowledge and thank our associates who work tirelessly to drive associate engagement, which directly leads to highly satisfied clients and increased shareholder value.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Additionally, we have received another outstanding Community Investment Act rating from the Federal Reserve. This rating reflects our commitment to our communities, which is the foundation of our strategic plan. I'm proud of our strength in service investments and lending, particularly to low and moderate income areas of our footprint. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Jamie to discuss these results in greater detail. After Jamie's discussion, I'll wrap up with some additional forward looking commentary and closing remarks.

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

Thank you, Archie, and good morning, everyone. Slides four, five and six provide a summary of our most recent financial results. The first quarter was highlighted by strong earnings and a robust net interest margin. Our net interest margin remains very strong at 3.88%. This represented a decline of six basis points from the linked quarter.

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

Deposit costs declined 12 basis points during the period, while asset yields decreased 18 basis points. Loan balances were relatively stable during the quarter as payoffs in C and I and ICRE offset modest growth in our other portfolios. Average deposit balances decreased $99,000,000 due primarily to a seasonal decline in public funds and lower broker deposit balances. We maintained 21% of our total balances in non interest bearing accounts and remain focused on growing lower cost deposit balances. Turning to the income statement.

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

First quarter fee income was solid, led by leasing and record wealth management income. These results were partially offset by losses on the sale of securities as we restructured a portion of our investment portfolio. Non interest expenses declined from the linked quarter due to lower incentive compensation and fewer fraud losses. Additionally, the quarter was positively impacted by our efficiency initiatives in 2024, and we expect to see further benefits in the coming periods. Our ACL coverage was unchanged during the quarter at 1.33 of total loans.

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

This resulted in $8,700,000 of provision expense during the period, which was driven by net charge offs. Overall, asset quality trends were stable. NPAs as a percentage of assets declined slightly, while first quarter net charge offs were 36 basis points on an annualized basis. Classified assets decreased five basis points to 1.16% of total assets during the period. From a capital standpoint, our ratios are in excess of both internal and regulatory targets.

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

Tangible book value was $14.8 while our tangible common equity ratio increased 43 basis points to 8.2%. Slide seven reconciles our GAAP earnings to adjusted earnings, highlighting items that we believe are important to understanding our quarterly performance. Adjusted net income was $60,200,000 or $0.63 per share for the quarter. Non interest income was adjusted for $9,900,000 of loss on the sales of investment securities, while non interest expense adjustments exclude the impact of efficiency costs, tax credit investment write downs and other expenses not expected to recur. As depicted on Slide eight, these adjusted earnings equate to return on average assets of 1.33%, a return on average tangible common equity of 18% and a pretax pre provision ROA of 1.85%.

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

Turning to slides nine and ten, net interest margin declined six basis points from the linked quarter to 3.88%. Asset yields declined 18 basis points compared to the prior quarter as loan yields declined 22 basis points and the yield on the investment portfolio increased seven basis points. Total deposit costs declined 12 basis points from the linked quarter, partially offsetting the impact of lower loan yields. Slide 11 outlines our various sources of liquidity and borrowing capacity. We continue to believe we have the flexibility required to manage the balance sheet through the expected economic environment.

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

Slide 12 illustrates our current loan mix and balance changes compared to the linked quarter. Loan balances decreased 1% on an annualized basis with payoffs in C and I and ICRE outpacing modest growth in other portfolios. Slide 13 provides detail on our loan concentration by industry. We believe our loan portfolio remains sufficiently diversified to protect us from deterioration in any particular industry. Slide 14 provides detail on our office portfolio.

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

Similar to last quarter, about 4% of our total loan book is secured by office space, and the overall portfolio metrics remain strong. No office relationships were downgraded to non accrual during the quarter, and our total non accrual balance for this portfolio is approximately $17,000,000 Slide 15 shows our deposit mix as well as the progression of average deposits from the linked quarter. In total, average deposit balances declined $99,000,000 during the quarter. Excluding broker deposits, total average deposits increased $63,000,000 from the linked quarter. There was a seasonal decline in public funds, while on the consumer side, growth was concentrated in retail CDs, money market accounts and interest bearing demand accounts.

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

Slide 16 illustrates trends in our average personal, business and public fund deposits as well as a comparison of our borrowing capacity to our uninsured deposits. On the bottom right of the slide, you can see our adjusted uninsured deposits were $3,700,000,000 This equates to 26% of our total deposits. We remain comfortable with this concentration and we believe our borrowing capacity provides sufficient flexibility to respond to any event that would stress our larger deposit balances. Slide 17 highlights our noninterest income for the quarter. Total adjusted fee income was $61,000,000 with leasing having another strong quarter and wealth management posting record results.

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

Additionally, we rebalanced a portion of the investment portfolio, selling $165,000,000 of investments. This negatively impacted noninterest income by $10,000,000 However, we expect the earn back on these sales to be a little over two years. Non interest expense for the quarter is outlined on Slide 18. Core expenses decreased $4,000,000 or 3% during the period. This was driven by lower incentive compensation and fewer fraud losses.

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

As I mentioned earlier, we continue to recognize the impact from our ongoing efficiency initiative and expect to complete this work in 2025. Turning now to slides nineteen and twenty. Our ACL model resulted in a total allowance, which includes both funded and unfunded reserves of $172,000,000 and $8,700,000 of total provision expense during the period. This resulted in an ACL that was 1.33% of total loans, which was unchanged from the fourth quarter. Provision expense was primarily driven by net charge offs, which were 36 basis points for the period and were primarily related to a single C and I relationship.

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

Additionally, our NPAs to total assets declined slightly to 32 basis points and classified assets declined five basis points as a percentage of assets from the linked quarter. While our ACL coverage was flat compared to the linked quarter, we continue to believe we have modeled conservatively to build a reserve that reflects the losses we expect from our portfolio. We anticipate our ACL coverage will remain relatively flat or increase slightly in future periods as our model responds to changes in the macroeconomic environment. Finally, as shown on slides twenty one and twenty two, capital ratios remain in excess of regulatory minimums and internal targets. The TCE ratio increased 43 basis points to 8.2% and our tangible book value increased 5% to $14.8 Our total shareholder return remains strong with 45% of our earnings returned to our shareholders during the period through the common dividend.

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

We maintain our commitment to provide an attractive return to our shareholders and we continue to evaluate capital actions that support that commitment. I'll now turn it back over to Archie for some comments on our outlook. Archie?

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Thank you, Jamie.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Before we end our prepared remarks, I want to comment on our forward looking guidance for the second quarter, which can be found on Slide 23. Loan pipelines remain healthy, and we expect production to rebound from prior quarter seasonal lows. Though we expect some continued pressure on prepayments and ICRE to keep growth in the low single digits on an annualized basis for the near term. For securities, we expect the portfolio to remain relatively stable and grow with earning assets. Deposit balances were up in the first quarter, and we expect to see continued modest growth over the next quarter.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

We continue to make progress on reducing deposit costs and believe reductions will accelerate in the near term. As a result, we expect our net interest margin to remain very strong and expand to a range between 3.954.05% over the next quarter, assuming a 25 basis point rate cut in June. We expect our credit cost to be stable over the next quarter with net charge offs declining further. ACL coverage as a percentage of loans is expected to be stable to slightly increasing. We expect fee income to be between $64,000,000 and $66,000,000 which includes 13,000,000 to $15,000,000 for foreign exchange and 18,000,000 to $20,000,000 for leasing business revenue.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Non interest expense is expected to be between 126,000,000 and $128,000,000 and remains stable excluding the leasing business and fee based incentive expenses. Specific to capital, our ratios remain strong, and we expect to maintain our dividend at the current level. In closing, while there's much uncertainty regarding the outlook for the economy, I believe we're well positioned to manage through any turbulence. We have very robust capital levels, strong and improving asset quality, diverse revenue streams, well managed expenses, strong liquidity and industry leading profitability. I'm very pleased with our start to the year, and I look forward to growing and serving clients in this challenging environment.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

We'll now open up the call for questions, Kelvin.

[Operator]

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Your first question comes from the line of Chris McGratty of KBW. Please go ahead.

[Andrew Leischner, Assistant Vice President - Equity Research at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)]

Hey, how's it going? This is Andrew Eisner on for Chris McGratty.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Hello.

[Andrew Leischner, Assistant Vice President - Equity Research at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)]

Yeah. So I guess just given where, you know, we are today with rates, I guess, are you or have you taken any steps, to reduce the asset sensitivity on the balance sheet? And then can you just remind us what the sensitivity is to the NII and margin for each additional 25 basis point rate cut? Thanks.

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

Yeah. I I think I missed the first part of your question. On the second part, in terms of our our balance sheet,

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

I mean, as you know, I mean,

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

you saw during the cycle, our balance sheet is asset sensitive. However, kind of where we are in terms of the rate cycle and how we saw the rates move down in the fourth quarter, that's still bleeding through those rate cuts are still bleeding through our deposit costs. So you're going to see the tail of those rate cuts still rolling through the deposit costs. And so, you know, absent any rate cuts or so in our in our guidance, we have rate cuts built into the forecast in in three rate cuts, one in June, '1 in September, '1 in December. And so when you look at our our outlook, that March to four zero five guidance for the second quarter includes a June a June rate cut.

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

So it wouldn't have a whole lot of impact. But what we're seeing in the second quarter is that tail on the deposit cost still winding down, and so we're going to see a 10 to 15 basis point drop in our deposit cost in second quarter, which is going to benefit the margin. Going forward, when you see, when you have the rate cuts coming through, a 25 basis point cut will, will typically have about a five to six basis point drop in our in our net interest margin, absent anything else going on, though. And so the the one thing, though, when you look at our deposit costs, we've held them up a little bit higher here through the cycle, focusing a little bit more on liquidity. And so we think we still have a little bit of room to ratchet those deposit costs down and pick up, and really mitigate some of that asset sensitivity, from future rate cuts.

[Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

So we think we can we can, take that five to six basis point typical drop in our margin with a 25 basis point cut. We think we can mitigate that to about half. And so you're gonna see, you know, methodical 25 basis point rate cuts, you're gonna see our margin still in that three ninety to three ninety five range.

[Andrew Leischner, Assistant Vice President - Equity Research at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)]

Okay. Great. Thank you. That was, that was great color. Then just switching switching gears a little bit.

[Andrew Leischner, Assistant Vice President - Equity Research at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)]

I guess, the current, you know, environment with the tariff uncertainty, is there any change in your view toward capital deployment? I know you I know you said the purchases aren't expected in the near term, but I guess our m and a deals being considered at this time? Thanks.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Yeah. This is Archie. I I think our our view is probably just a little more longer term in thinking. So there is more there has been more M and A discussions that we've had in the last quarter than probably a long time. And so some of those discussions are ongoing.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

I don't know how how some of that will play out and when, but certainly, the some of the current uncertainty and noise has probably slowed down some of those discussions and maybe prolongs or puts it off further into the year. We'll just see where where things how things unfold. But clearly, there's interest in activity. I just think we're all waiting to see just what happens

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

in the environment over the next few months.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Terry McEvoy of Stephens Inc. Please go ahead.

[Terry Mcevoy, MD & Research Analyst at Stephens Inc]

Thanks. Good morning, Archie. Good morning, Jamie.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Hey, Terry.

[Terry Mcevoy, MD & Research Analyst at Stephens Inc]

Maybe in the press release, you talked about the workout of several C and I credits, and did see the C and I charge offs increased to 85 basis points. I think, Jamie, you mentioned maybe one loan in particular, but could you just go through the review process and any kind of specific trends or industries that you

[Terry Mcevoy, MD & Research Analyst at Stephens Inc]

worked through this last quarter?

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Yes, Terry. I'll say one quick comment and then I'll turn it to Bill to maybe give little more color. So we did see with regard to commercial, we did see some payoffs of of some classified loans during the quarter. We would we would consider healthy workouts.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

And then we did have one large C and I credit probably made up, I don't know, 70% of the charge offs, and it was in a specific interest. So Bill can talk about that one in particular.

[William Harrod, Chief Credit Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

Yeah. And that the one in particular was in an in the industry that had some bankruptcies in the upstream for their supply and, you know, really just died under the weight of that and a new market that they were trying to get into. And there's nothing systemic across it. It was just a deal that didn't really work out as anyone had planned. Flooring manufacturer.

[William Harrod, Chief Credit Officer at First Financial Bancorp]

It was a flooring manufacturer steps in particular, and just didn't get the volume through their change, and they were affected by lumber liquidators' bankruptcy.

[Terry Mcevoy, MD & Research Analyst at Stephens Inc]

Great. Thanks, Bill. Then as a follow-up, what's the, I guess, the outlook for Summit, Oak Hill, Agile? And do you manage those businesses any differently in a softer economy?

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Terry, the Agile will seasonally ramp up here in the middle part of the year. And that business, we believe, is just because of the short term nature of the loans and the way they're structured, we think the asset quality will continue to be very good there. So no concerns there. Oak Street, we same thing. I I feel like if you look at their asset quality over over the longer term, it's been really solid.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

And I think it could present some good opportunities for us in the near term or intermediate term, but no change in our outlook there. Summit, we continue to work. Mean, Summit has had some continues to have great originations. We continue to learn and grow with them in the portfolio. But the only pressure we've seen there is probably on the smaller ticket items.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

So if you think, you know, some of the vendor managed small ticket programs, there's been a little bit of, I'd say, deterioration in the small business set. But if you look in the middle market and larger clients, Terry, they're they're performing really well. And it's within a band of expectations. So we feel pretty good about where they're going. And I don't I think if anything, that business could soften in the back half of the year if the economy softens in terms of demand.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

But in terms of asset quality, we feel pretty good about it.

[Terry Mcevoy, MD & Research Analyst at Stephens Inc]

Great. Thanks for taking my questions and enjoy the weekend.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Thanks, Terry. You too.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Daniel Tamayo of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

[Daniel Tamayo, Vice President at Raymond James Financial]

Hey, good morning Archie and Jamie.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Good morning.

[Daniel Tamayo, Vice President at Raymond James Financial]

So I guess maybe first on loan growth. I saw the guidance in your comments this morning that second quarter is going to be a little bit pressured. It sounds like it's is mostly from elevated payoffs continuing.

[Daniel Tamayo, Vice President at Raymond James Financial]

Is the right way to think about the back half of the year and kind of more normalized growth still what you were thinking before in maybe the mid to high single digit range?

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Yes, Danny, I'd say we're if I were to look back to the beginning of the year, we were probably thinking 6% to 7% for the full year. We're probably thinking four percent to 5% for the full year now. Now, given first quarter was a little softer. In the payoffs, as we look at near term, the payoff I mean, pipelines are strong, healthy, activity remains good now. The back half of the year is a little harder to see, especially with some of the noise out in the economy.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

The payoff pressure is really happening as we see in the second quarter coming. In our CRE book, there's probably three things going on. One, we're exiting some of these maybe office credits that are maturing or some multifamily that we're we're on purpose maybe exiting. That may be a third of the payoff expectations. A third is is really related to kind of the private credit markets, and we've seen, them enter more in this space.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Let's say a multifamily deal that's, coming up with a maturity, and we we may want to

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

get a

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

curtailment on on the the loan and then extended for a period. Well, they can go into the private credit markets and get more flexibility in terms of those kind of terms. So we're seeing a little bit more payoffs come from that source that we probably hadn't seen in prior periods. And then depending where rates go, if rates fall, especially the ten year, that falls into the, you know, very low fours or or more, we could see a little more pressure just getting refinanced from the Fannie Freddie side. So it it's those areas creating that.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

But on the other hand, the activity, the origination side of CRE is pretty strong. So all in all, we still feel pretty good that we're going have loan growth just a little bit, maybe a tick or two lower than we were thinking at the beginning of the year.

[Daniel Tamayo, Vice President at Raymond James Financial]

Okay. That's helpful, Archie. Thanks. Maybe one for Jamie on credit. So you talked about the net charge offs expected to come down in the second quarter, maybe a little bit higher than you expected here in the first quarter.

[Daniel Tamayo, Vice President at Raymond James Financial]

Just curious, I think last quarter you talked about 25 to 30 basis points being a normalized number. If I guess it's couched around assuming we're not going into a recession here, is that still feel like a fair number? And are we still kind of on a glide path down to that range by the back half of the year so we might be a little bit above that near term? Is that kind of the most current thoughts?

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Yes, Dan, this is Archie. I'll maybe start with this and Jamie can jump in if he wants for Bill. So 36 basis points if you go back twenty twenty three, 30 three basis points of charge offs twenty twenty four, 30 basis points of charge offs. We would say this year 25 to 30 would kind of be our expectation. A little higher in Q1, that one credit that we've already talked about was the driver.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

But if you look at the other parts of the book, very healthy and improving trends And reductions in classified, reductions in nonperform, we just we feel like it's going to continue to get better. Our expectations for q two would be probably charge offs that are, you know, even lower than our annual expectations. So that starts to bring the first half of the year kind of back into that 25 to 30 basis point balance with, right now, expectations probably in that range or maybe slightly better in the back half.

[Daniel Tamayo, Vice President at Raymond James Financial]

Okay. Great. So Yep. So really looking for for a pretty, relatively clean rest of the year, assuming nothing gets worse from a macro perspective. Yeah.

[Daniel Tamayo, Vice President at Raymond James Financial]

I guess, lastly, just, you know, you you talked about too too early to tell on on tariffs and specific exposure, but just curious kind of in the in the work you've done looking at your portfolio, what what what you're kind of zoomed in on or thinking, you know, we need to keep an eye on this because there might be exposure. You know, obviously, we go into recession, everything's at risk. But is there a is there a part of the book that you think might be worth watching a little bit closer as as this whole thing plays out?

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Yeah, Danny. Well, first, I mean, our our number one job, and Bill's been leading an effort with our our clients with our bankers to just let's make sure we're staying close to our clients and understand for each one, how do tariffs impact, you know, their cost structure or their demand demand side of their business. So all of our bankers in the middle of just spending time with their with their clients and doing that, and we'll we'll service out, you know, do we see anything specific? I don't think we've got one business that's more susceptible to a a a tariff issue. There's some that may have more direct supply coming right from China could see more disruption in their business, and I'm sure we'll have a client or two during the year that that will surface.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

But for the most part, there's some concern we'll see a little bit of increase in cost, and they've got to manage that in various ways either by reducing their costs, passing the costs on to consumers, etcetera. So we'll see some of that. The bigger concern is maybe in the back half, does this affect does this create some sort

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

of demand slowdown? And, you know, then all of

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

a sudden, everything just gets softened up in terms of the revenue. So those are the kind of the general high level concerns. I'm always impressed by our business clients knowing that they're focused more than anybody else on being successful, and they continue to navigate the kind of things we've seen over the last five or six years. They continue to navigate it really well. And I know they're working hard to do it now.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

I've got a lot of confidence in them.

[Daniel Tamayo, Vice President at Raymond James Financial]

All right. Great. I appreciate that color, Archie. Thanks for taking my questions.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Sure. Have a weekend.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Karl Shepherd of RBC Capital Markets.

[Karl Shepard, Assistant Vice President at RBC Capital Markets]

Just

[Karl Shepard, Assistant Vice President at RBC Capital Markets]

to pick up on the tariff conversation for one second. I understand the concerns and the demand and cost structures and and that those themes. But anything from these conversations surprising you? You know, anyone more optimistic?

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

You mean with our client base, anything?

[Karl Shepard, Assistant Vice President at RBC Capital Markets]

Yes.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Yeah. You know, we we continue to talk to our our bankers that are working with their clients. And I guess the, you know, as much noise as we've all been reading about and hearing about, it's just it's interesting to me that the pipelines are continue to be pretty strong in the near term with really good activity.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Mean, I think they're all have some concern about where this is going, but I think there's also a view of, well, this is going to play out a little bit. Let's see what happens. So probably if anything, it's just that things are a little stronger and healthier in the near term with a little more uncertainty maybe in the back half.

[Karl Shepard, Assistant Vice President at RBC Capital Markets]

Okay. And then on the foreign exchange business, I know it's kind of normal course for it to move around quarter to quarter, but does the macro uncertainty, does that drive a little bit more volatility or demand for the products?

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Yes. Generally, volatility is good for the business. So I've spent a little time with our team over the last few weeks listening to what's happening there. And I think we've put in our outlook what we expect the quarter to be, which is kind of on par with where we are, maybe a little stronger, but they think the volatility will continue to drive good activity for them.

[Karl Shepard, Assistant Vice President at RBC Capital Markets]

Okay. Thanks for the help.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Yeah. Thanks, Karl.

[Operator]

No further questions at this time. With that, I will now turn the call back to Archie Brown for final closing remarks. Please go ahead.

[Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp]

Thank you, Kelvin. Well, we are glad that you joined our call this morning to hear about our story for the first quarter and our outlook for Q2. We remain optimistic about the year overall, and we look forward to telling you more at the end of next quarter. Thanks, and have a great weekend.

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines.

Participants

Analysts

• Scott Crawley, Corporate Controller at First Financial Bancorp
• Archie Brown, President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp
• Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operating Officer at First Financial Bancorp
• Andrew Leischner, Assistant Vice President - Equity Research at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)
• Terry Mcevoy, MD & Research Analyst at Stephens Inc
• William Harrod, Chief Credit Officer at First Financial Bancorp
• Daniel Tamayo, Vice President at Raymond James Financial
• Karl Shepard, Assistant Vice President at RBC Capital Markets