PJT Partners Q1 2025 Earnings Report

PJT Partners EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $1.05
• Consensus EPS: $0.94
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.11
• One Year Ago EPS: $0.98

PJT Partners Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $324.50 million
• Expected Revenue: $361.26 million
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$36.76 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: -1.50%

PJT Partners Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q1 2025
• Date: 4/29/2025
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 8:30AM ET

PJT Partners (NYSE:PJT), an investment bank, provides various strategic and capital markets advisory, restructuring and special situations, and shareholder advisory services to corporations, financial sponsors, institutional investors, and governments worldwide. It offers advisory services to clients on various transactions, including mergers and acquisitions (M&A), spin-offs, activism defense, contested M&A, joint ventures, minority investments, and divestitures. The company also advises private and public company boards and management teams on strategies for building productive investor relationships with a focus on shareholder engagement; and strategic investor relations; environmental, social, and governance matters; and other investor-related matters. In addition, it provides advisory services related to debt and acquisition financings; structured product offerings; public equity raises, including initial public offering and SPAC offerings; and private capital raises for early and later stage companies, as well as other capital structure related matters. Further, the company offers advisory services in financial restructurings and reorganizations; liability management; distressed mergers and acquisitions; and to management teams, corporate boards, sponsors and creditors. Additionally, it provides private fund advisory and fundraising services for a range of investment strategies; and advisory services to general and partners on liquidity and other structured solutions. The company was formerly known as Blackstone Advisory Inc. and changed its name to PJT Partners Inc. in March 2015. PJT Partners Inc. was incorporated in 2014 and is headquartered in New York, New York.

PJT Partners Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• PJT reported Q1 revenues of $325 million, adjusted pretax income of $56 million and a record Q1 adjusted EPS of $1.05, nearly matching last year’s highs.
• The firm’s full-year 2025 outlook remains unchanged despite volatile capital markets, subdued M&A activity and geopolitical uncertainties, reflecting confidence in PJT’s diversified franchise.
• Strategic Advisory revenues rose modestly in Q1, underpinned by an all-time high mandate count and record pending pipeline, with most of the anticipated year-over-year growth expected in the second half.
• Restructuring & Liability Management saw Q1 revenues slightly below 2024’s strong start, but full-year results are forecast to match last year’s record levels, with potential upside if market stresses persist.
• PJT Park Hill faced muted primary fundraising as IPO and M&A slowdowns continued, but demand surged for alternative liquidity solutions such as LP stake sales and GP-led fund continuation vehicles.

Presentation

[Operator]

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the TJT Partners First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. Just a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. And at this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Ms. Sharon Pearson, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, ma'am.

[Sharon Pearson, Partner & Head - Investor Relations at PJT Partners]

Thank you very much, Bo. Good morning, and welcome to the PJT Partners First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Call. I'm Sharon Pearson, Head of Investor Relations at PJT Partners. Joining me today is Paul Taubman, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Helen Mates, our Chief Financial Officer. Before I turn the call over to Paul, I want to point out that during the course of this conference call, we may make a number of forward looking statements.

[Sharon Pearson, Partner & Head - Investor Relations at PJT Partners]

These forward looking statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties, and there are important factors that could cause actual outcomes to differ materially from those indicated in these statements. We believe that these factors are described in the Risk Factors section contained in PJT Partners twenty twenty four Form 10 ks, which is available on our website at pjtpartners.com. I want to remind you that the company assumes no duty to update any forward looking statements and that the presentation we make today contains non GAAP financial measures, which we believe are meaningful in evaluating the company's performance. For detailed disclosures on these non GAAP metrics and their GAAP reconciliations, you should refer to the financial data contained within the press release we issued this morning, also available on our website. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Paul.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Thank you, Sharon. I thank all of you for joining us this morning. Earlier today, we reported first quarter revenues of $325,000,000 adjusted pretax income of $56,000,000 and adjusted EPS of $1.05 These first quarter results reflect record Q1 adjusted net income and record Q1 adjusted EPS and revenues nearly equal to last year's record Q1 levels. The current environment poses significant risks to The U. S.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

And global economies as reflected in volatile capital markets, subdued M and A activity, fragile business confidence and delayed investments. How long these uncertainties persist, the economic consequences of these uncertainties and the degree to which global trading relationships will be reshaped all weigh heavily on market sentiment. Our firm is uniquely positioned for these uncertain times given our strength of franchise and broad mix of businesses. While the operating environment has shifted dramatically since the start of the year, our full year outlook has not. After Helen takes you through our financial results, I will review our business performance and outlook in greater detail.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Helen?

[Helen Meates, CFO at PJT Partners]

Thank you, Paul. Good morning. Beginning with revenue. Total revenues for the first quarter were $325,000,000 1 percent below the same period last year. Revenues increased modestly in Strategic Advisory compared to a year ago, while revenues in Restructuring and PJT Park Hill decreased modestly year over year.

[Helen Meates, CFO at PJT Partners]

Turning to expenses. Consistent with prior quarters, we presented the expenses with certain non GAAP adjustments, which are more fully described in our eight ks. First, adjusted compensation expense. We accrued compensation expense at 67.5% of revenues for the first quarter compared to 69.5% for the first quarter in '20 '20 '4. This ratio of 67.5% represents our current best estimate for the full year 2025.

[Helen Meates, CFO at PJT Partners]

Turning to adjusted non compensation expense. Total adjusted non compensation expense was $49,000,000 in the first quarter, up from $45,000,000 in the first quarter last year, an increase of 9% year over year. The higher expense was primarily driven by increases in travel and related and occupancy costs as well as continued investment in communications and information services. We continue to expect our full year 2025 non comp expense to grow at around 12%, a similar growth rate to last year, with the highest contributions to growth coming from travel expense driven by increased business related activity, occupancy costs as well as continued investment in our technology and data infrastructure. Turning to adjusted pretax income.

[Helen Meates, CFO at PJT Partners]

We reported adjusted pretax income of $56,000,000 in the first quarter compared with $55,000,000 for the same period last year. And our adjusted pretax margin was 17.3% for the first quarter compared with 16.8% for the same period a year ago. The provision for taxes, as with prior years, we've presented our results as if all partnership units had been converted to shares and that all of our income was taxed at a corporate tax rate. Our effective tax rate for the first quarter was 16.5% as we realized a significant tax benefit from the delivery of vested shares. We take a full year view of that benefit, and we currently expect our full year effective tax rate to be around 16.5.

[Helen Meates, CFO at PJT Partners]

Our adjusted as converted earnings was a record for the first quarter at $1.5 per share compared with $0.98 per share

[Helen Meates, CFO at PJT Partners]

in the first quarter last year. On the share count for

[Helen Meates, CFO at PJT Partners]

the quarter, our weighted average share count was 44,460,000 shares, up 2% versus a year ago. During the quarter, we repurchased the equivalent approximately 1,500,000.0 shares, primarily through open market repurchases. We committed a record dollar amount to repurchases in the first quarter. We are in receipt of exchange notices for an additional 170,000 partnership units, and we intend to exchange these units for cash. On the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with $227,000,000 in cash, cash equivalents and short term investments and $438,000,000 and we have no funded debt outstanding.

[Helen Meates, CFO at PJT Partners]

Finally, the Board has approved a dividend of $0.25 per share. The dividend will be paid on 06/18/2025, to Class A common shareholders of record as of June 4. I'll now turn back to Paul.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Thank you, Helen. Beginning with restructuring. We're in a multi year period of elevated activity levels for liability management. Our full year expectations continue to closely track last year's record setting results while our first quarter revenues were modestly below last year's very strong Q1 results. This outlook does not reflect the stresses and strains that have been building in the economy these past few weeks.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

If these pressures persist there is the potential but by no means the certainty for a meaningful increase in restructuring and liability management activity above and beyond current levels. Turning to PJT Park Hill. First quarter PJT Park Hill revenues were modestly below last year's strong results. Subdued levels of IPO and M and A activity are clearly weighing on capital return in the alt space. While this lack of capital return continues to make primary fundraising challenging it has in turn created an unprecedented demand for alternative liquidity options from GPs and LPs alike.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Our private capital solutions business is seeing increased activity levels related to both LP stake sales and GP led fund continuation vehicles. Turning to strategic advisory. Notwithstanding all the post election optimism for a significant resumption in global M and activity. First quarter activity remained muted. While first quarter dollar value of global announced M and A increased modestly, the number of announced transactions declined by more than 15% versus year ago levels.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Our Strategic Advisory revenues increased in Q1 and we expect full year 2025 Strategic Advisory revenues to be up strongly from 2024 levels. Given the cadence of anticipated closings for transactions previously announced but not yet completed. Most of this revenue increase should be reflected in our second half results. Despite this turbulence, our mandate count continues to grow and now stands at all time highs. However, if current macro uncertainties persist for an extended period, the benefit of this pipeline build may be considerably delayed.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

On the talent front, we added 10 partners in the first quarter. Most of this increase resulted from the promotion to partner of individuals who had been recruited to our firm as managing directors. We are on pace for another strong recruiting year with most of our senior hires expected to join in the back half of the year. Notwithstanding current market conditions, we remain committed to further investments in our strategic advisory franchise to best position us for future opportunities. As we look ahead, the current geopolitical uncertainties have certainly weighed on business and royal capital markets around the world.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

While our crystal ball for 2025 economic and market conditions has gotten markedly cloudier, we see clearly a full year firm outlook that is substantially unchanged from before. We remain confident in our near, intermediate and long term growth prospects. And with that, we will now take your questions.

[Operator]

Thank you, Mr. Kaumann. We'll go first this morning to Ryan Devon of JMP Securities.

[Alexander Jenkins, Equity Research Associate at Citizens JMP]

Hey Paul, hey Helen, this is Alex Jenkins filling in for Devon. Hope you guys are doing well. Appreciate you taking my questions. Just to start on Strategic Advisory and partner productivity there. I would just love to get your thoughts on how you think about the order of magnitude to the upside for partner productivity that you think you could get to if we got back to like a more normal operating environment?

[Alexander Jenkins, Equity Research Associate at Citizens JMP]

Thank you.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Sure. Well, again, I think the point is that in your question is the most important, which is you have to assume an environment. And if we're in a normalized environment, we think that there's meaningful increase in partner productivity and we've talked about this repeatedly because partner productivity is the end result of a lot of elements working together. So if you think about it a lot of our investment continues where we have partially built networks. We have our first partner in a particular geography.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

We have our first or second partner in an industry vertical and those are necessary but not sufficient for us to really show the power of our firm. But as more and more of those individual networks go from unbuilt or partially built to fully built, there should be a meaningful increase in the economic results from that investment. That's one element. Another element is there's simply the network effect and the franchise value of the firm. And the more talented individuals who join this platform, the greater that network effect, the more walk in business, the easier it is to sell through and our fee realizations go up.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

So all of that works to increase partner productivity, but it's not a formula and it's not a precise inputoutput result. But if we continue to do the things that we're doing for any given economic environment that we're in, the productivity should be meaningfully higher than it is today.

[Alexander Jenkins, Equity Research Associate at Citizens JMP]

Okay, great. Thank you for that color. And then just a quick follow-up on the restructuring business. Obviously, as you touched on in your remarks, there's a lot more economic uncertainty. Maybe you could speak to the growth algorithm for that business off what is already a really productive group.

[Alexander Jenkins, Equity Research Associate at Citizens JMP]

Will your bankers be more selective? And just trying to understand how much capacity there might be from what already is a great level of production. Thank you.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Sure. Well, look, we're deeply committed to the business. We have the world's best liability management bankers in the world. We have the best franchise and we continue to do everything to make sure that we support all of those initiatives. I think that there's this wonderful virtuous circle between the rest of the firm and the liability management initiatives because the greater our coverage footprint, the greater the network effect, the better off we are as a firm and able to showcase our leading Restructuring and Liability Management capabilities.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

So I think there's that benefit as we continue to expand our geographic footprint, our access to sponsors and corporates alike, our geographic presence, all of those have significant knock on effects for the rest of the firm. I think the second thing is that we have a lot of individuals who can help support the capabilities and the direction of our best in class liability management and restructuring team. But at the end of the day, we don't view ourselves as at all capacity constrained. And I think our observation is continues to be we're in a multiyear elevated cycle. It's elevated only when you look at the last ten years because the last ten years have been aberrationally low in terms of rates, default rates, financial stress in the system.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

And what has happened is we're now getting back to more normalized levels and we're doing that with a far greater quantum of debt outstanding. So when you have a return to more normalized levels in terms of rates, distress and default rates and you're doing that across a much greater quantum of debt outstanding around the world, it's not much of a leap of faith to home in on a point that you end up with much greater levels of activity and that's what we're seeing. What is starting to build in the system is the stresses and strains of

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

all

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

of this uncertainty, the need to onshore to disrupt the existing supply chain that are in place, the implications for pricing power and the increased costs resulting from tariffs and how able individual companies and industries are to pass that on to end users. All of that uncertainty is reflected right now in strains in the high yield marketplace. If you just look at credit spreads, they're up meaningfully from the beginning of the year with about half of that increase since the April 1. So we see those stresses building in the system. It is certainly possible that those stresses will subside and will come back to a more normalized economic environment.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

In which case I think the environment that we're in is the environment. But if those stresses and strains continue to build there is the potential at least for a meaningful increase in activity levels from here.

[Alexander Jenkins, Equity Research Associate at Citizens JMP]

Great. Thank you. That's great color. I appreciate it.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. We'll go next now to James Yarrow of Goldman Sachs.

[James Yaro, Analyst at Goldman Sachs]

Good morning and thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to touch on the discussions that you're having with private equity today. To what extent are they slowing their previous plans to conduct M and A and IPOs this year and potentially beyond? And then as a corollary, what are your expectations for the growth of the secondaries business perhaps for this year and 2026 as well?

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Look, think the in the alternative space sponsors continue to transact. There's not a cessation of activity, but there's a slowing of activity and it starts with capital return. The reality is capital return is far more challenged today than what it should be in the normalized economic cycle. The IPO market is clearly challenged. There have been relatively few companies that have gone public.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Most of those that have gone public have not traded particularly well. And then also if you do take a company public and most of the proceeds are primary as opposed to secondary. You're still not getting capital return. You're simply positioning a portfolio company for future capital return. And with all of the volatility in the market, you run the risk that having recently listed one of your assets it ends up trading meaningfully below where you have it marked.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

So all of that has slowed the return of capital in the ecosystem and that does hamper deployment capital. At the same time, private equity when they see quality assets that are available are still bidding and bidding robustly. And if you look in the marketplace recently, you've seen a few instances of high quality assets where you have a line around the block from sponsors to acquire those assets. But those are fewer and those are farther between than we would all like. So activity continues.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

And in an interesting way, when we're dealing with maximum uncertainty and you're a sponsor, the ability to take a couple of shots on goal in disrupted or dislocated markets is arguably easier because you're taking a diversified portfolio approach than it is for a corporate to have the conviction to bring to their shareholders a significant transaction in the midst of all of this market uncertainty. So we see activity not stopping but clearly it's slowing and it's not anywhere near normalized levels. But this too shall pass and we're going to get back to a more normal cadence. While that's being sorted out, there is undoubtedly a very significant uptick in interest and continuation vehicles. There is more allocated monies being directed to these strategies and we think it continues to be a significant growth engine.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

And we are well positioned to be a leader and to continue to participate in that and that should over time be reflected in our financials as well.

[James Yaro, Analyst at Goldman Sachs]

Excellent. Maybe just a follow-up on the dynamics you spoke about. Maybe you could also just give us your outlook for LP secondaries given the same dynamics. And then separately, I'd imagine a weaker private equity deployment backdrop could weigh on the fundraising business, which I think you alluded to a little bit. Maybe you could just help us think through the backdrop for primary fundraising, and the extent to which the longer term opportunity set in the business could change if IRRs and DPI are lower on current vintages?

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

There's a lot in that question. Let me try and be succinct. Inquiries for LPs related to monetizing their stakes in selected PE firms that continues to trend upward. And that's a way for CIOs to in one fell swoop reweight their portfolios to more dynamically create weightings to potentially no longer need to monitor investments in GPs where they're not going to have continuing relationships because they made the decision not to invest in future funds. All of that is correct.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

We're seeing it and we're benefiting from it and we have a leading practice in the space and it works to our advantage. At the same time, if you have more pressure from LPs to unwind investments if you have less capital return because of stalled M and A markets, slower IPO monetization opportunities. It's not much of a leap of faith to realize that that does not make primary fundraising easier. It only makes it more difficult. At the same time, like anything else, when the going gets tougher, you are much more discerning about who you select to be your advisor.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

In an M and A world where anything and everything gets sold, clients may not care if they're going to a good not great M and A firm. In a difficult environment, they want great M and A bankers that works to our advantage. In an environment where you're seeing it more difficult for primary fundraisings to be successfully done, Instead of doing it all in house, you're starting to think about a placement agent. Instead of just any placement agent, you want PJT Park Hill. So all of that works to our advantage.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

But what we're seeing is greater opportunities for us, the ability to be highly selective, the ability to use that as an opportunity to expand the relationship more holistically with the private equity firm but at the same time the time to raise a fund and the expected fund raise size is all being weighed down by these difficult environments.

[James Yaro, Analyst at Goldman Sachs]

That's very clear. Thanks, Paul.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. We'll go next now to Jim Mitchell of Seaport Global Securities.

[James Mitchell, Senior Equity Analyst at Seaport Global Securities]

Hey, good morning. Paul, you kind of hey, you highlighted the high yield market showing some signs of stress, right?

[James Mitchell, Senior Equity Analyst at Seaport Global Securities]

Does that at all sort

[James Mitchell, Senior Equity Analyst at Seaport Global Securities]

of least temporarily hurt your ability to execute liability management assignments? And I guess if that persists, do we start to see some of those assignments get pushed into towards Chapter 11? Just curious how you're seeing that dynamic.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Look, I think the reality is we're in a risk off environment. We're not in a risk on environment. When you're in a risk off environment, that tends to be where borrowers and lenders alike recognize that there needs to be a restructuring in the transaction. I think there's always been a view that liability management is a more efficient way to do it than Chapter 11, not exclusively, but principally it's a way with fewer friction costs and for parties to come together more quickly. And with prices starting to reflect more distress, there's probably more opportunity to capitalize

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

So I actually think you're going to see more of both. You're going to see more liability management and you are going to see more bankruptcies. I think both are going to be present as we move into this next economic phase. That's my own personal belief. I think at a minimum, you'll see some modest upticks and we'll end up somehow reverting a more pronounced economic recession.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

But if we don't, you're going to see a major league uptick in both in court and out of court restructurings.

[James Mitchell, Senior Equity Analyst at Seaport Global Securities]

Can private capital, private credit pick up some of the slack if the public markets are closed? Or is it just not there enough? Just curious if that's a source of funding for the liability management space.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Well, certainly a source. A lot of this too for liability management is taking existing claims. We already are dealing with existing lenders and just simply restructuring it with different collateral packages, different tranches, different securities and converting some of it to equity. So there's all of that opportunity. It's always easiest to restructure companies with those that already have skin in the game and our economic stakeholders.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

And I think those motivations are only going to increase. To your point about private credit, whether it's private credit or it's in the syndicated market but the asset is owned by private equity firms, so willingness to be more creative and to think across the credit spectrum as to how to restructure balance sheets so that companies have the runway to navigate these difficult environments that's greater. So we're always going to see more of a bias towards liability management when the owners of the debt and the owners of the assets come from highly sophisticated organizations that are deeply steeped in credit. That's just the All

[James Mitchell, Senior Equity Analyst at Seaport Global Securities]

right. Very helpful. And just maybe a longer term question. Just the tariff uncertainty, it seems pretty clear it's going to drive a lot of companies to move and or diversify their supply chain. So in the longer run, do you see that as an incremental catalyst for deal activity?

[James Mitchell, Senior Equity Analyst at Seaport Global Securities]

Or is it just more of a pain point rather than an opportunity set longer term? Just curious how you think about it.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Well, right now, it's hard for companies to make profound decisions to reorient supply chains if what exists today could be rescinded tomorrow. I think we're in this difficult environment where you don't know whether to start to pivot to plan B because you may be back to plan A in a short period of time. So I think what this is really doing is it's just freezing activity as a general matter. To your point though there are always second order, third order consequences of all of this. I think what we're seeing in Europe as an example is a real appreciation that they need to close the innovation gap, they need to be more into advanced tech, they need to be less reliant on The U.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

S. And China, they need to figure out how to have increased security and reduced dependencies on The United States and that is going to drive additional economic activity. That's going to drive additional M and A activity and you're going to see more consolidation and governments in Europe and the EU writ large much more willing to embrace consolidation than they were before. So like any bit of news flow, it's never all one way. There's always multi directional implications.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

And I think while it makes the current environment more difficult when the clouds lift and there's greater clarity, there's no doubt that's going to be a meaningful impetus for additional activity. So that's consistent with this view that less activity now, more activity in the future and things are getting pushed.

[James Mitchell, Senior Equity Analyst at Seaport Global Securities]

All right. Great. Thanks for the color.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Absolutely.

[Operator]

We'll go next now to Brendan O'Brien of Wolfe Research.

[Brendan O'Brien, Senior Vice President at Wolfe Research]

Hi, again. Thanks for taking the question. This lot of noise in the I mean, I was just wondering if you could see on the regulatory front for the deal is obviously a lot of optimism under

[Brendan O'Brien, Senior Vice President at Wolfe Research]

the

[Brendan O'Brien, Senior Vice President at Wolfe Research]

new community and that would be accommodated by people. So I just want to get a sense as to whether there's anything of scrutiny relative to what we saw?

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

I heard every other word because of a poor connection, but I think the gist of it is can we try and make sense of what the current administration's regulatory posture is on M and A deals and what are the implications for M and A? Did I get that mostly right?

[Brendan O'Brien, Senior Vice President at Wolfe Research]

Yes. Sorry about the fork action.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Okay. So if that's the question, let me give it a go. Look, it's mixed bag, right? Because with new administrations you typically want early declarations on large deals as a weather vane on how much the weather has changed from before. And part of the challenge here is you're not seeing enough deal flow and you're not seeing enough regulatory review to really determine what is the direction of travel in this administration contrasted with the last administration.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

And there's also no doubt while a different approach there are within this administration some reasonably consistent views about competition in certain areas that align more closely than some had thought with the prior administration. So my own view is it's better. I think there is more confidence in moving forward in most industries, but not all. I think when it comes to media, technology, areas that affect end prices of what consumers pay and groceries and the like that there's not a relaxed view on consolidation. But in other parts of the economy, I think there's no doubt that this is a more favorable climate, but maybe not as favorable as some had thought.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

And for a lot of companies around all of this world and with a lot of rhetoric what they're looking for are a couple of large defining transactions to come before them so that they have a much clearer sense as the roadmap. So I think that's also in a nuanced way curtailing some large M and A for the moment but not necessarily for very long.

[Brendan O'Brien, Senior Vice President at Wolfe Research]

That's helpful. And hopefully you can hear me a bit better now. For a follow-up, last quarter, I believe you alluded to maybe a slight slowdown in recruiting last this year after an aggressive couple of years of recruiting previously. But just given the softer levels of activity year to date, I just want to get a sense as to whether you're seeing any improvement in the recruiting environment and whether this might cause you to reaccelerate hiring in a way that you weren't expecting at the start of the year?

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Yes. That's a great question. Look, it's never about us reaccelerating hiring. We're always available to hire the best most talented people. The question is just simply given the environment we're operating in, what's the ability to get individuals to take the time and to take the breakage cost to come off the field to come join.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

So think about it this way, the demand on our part is unwavering. The opportunity set is what fluctuates. That commentary was predicated on this being a much more robust deal environment where those friction costs would have been greater. As those friction costs have come down, we're starting to see more interest in moving now and more of a realization that now is a perfectly good time to change and come to this platform. And as a result, I do expect to see our yields increase, but it's not because we have more desire or more conviction today.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

It's just that the world is coming closer our way than perhaps we have thought.

[Brendan O'Brien, Senior Vice President at Wolfe Research]

That's great color and thanks for taking my questions and apology for the connection issues.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Perfect. Well, I did a reasonable job in interpreting and answering your question.

[Brendan O'Brien, Senior Vice President at Wolfe Research]

You hit the nail on the head, Paul.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Okay, good. Well, with that I'm sorry.

[Brendan O'Brien, Senior Vice President at Wolfe Research]

Thank you.

[Operator]

We'll go next to

[Operator]

Matti Benjamin Rubin of UBS.

[Benjamin Rubin, Director, Equity Research at UBS Group]

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. Of course. I thought the commentary that your full year outlook has not changed was actually pretty encouraging. And in 2024, obviously, you guys had record revenue across your three businesses.

[Benjamin Rubin, Director, Equity Research at UBS Group]

So I'm just curious, how are you thinking about the different growth trajectories across Park Hill restructuring and Strategic Advisory in light of the uncertainty? And then also you mentioned in your prepared remarks that your backlog remains at record levels. So just curious has there been any shift in either the quality or expected timing of your M and A pipeline thus far in April? Thank you.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Sure.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Let me try and since you started out asking about the totality of the firm, let me start there and then we'll come back. I think we are coming off record results in all three of our principal businesses. What I have said repeatedly is that restructuring and liability management, we don't see any meaningful slowdown and we expect levels to be consistent with last year, certainly in the same range. I do think that with every passing day, maybe that vector goes from flattish to slightly up, but that's we're going to need to see more of the year playing out. But if you said to me as the year progresses, how are we thinking about that?

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

It's reasonably consistent with last year's record levels. And as I've said, none of that reflects that call option if you will that if the stresses and strains persist for an extended period of time we could see a meaningful uplift. So we're kind of flattish with maybe wash and wait that maybe if the world becomes stuck for longer and if the markets continue to be challenged, there could be an uptick from here. I think what we've also said about our capital raising, fundraising businesses is that the primary business continues to be quite difficult and challenging from a macro perspective. There's ever more interest in LP monetizations and GP solutions to create liquidity.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

And you sort of got that yin and the yang there. So those two businesses should approach last year's levels. And as the year progresses, how it affects individual sub sectors and a more precise view we will need more of the year to play out. But those two forecasts are substantially intact from where they were at the beginning of the year even though the composition may change. And in Strategic Advisory, we have the benefit of a record announced pending close pipeline.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

We have the benefit of a record level of mandates. We're stronger every day. Every day we are a stronger and more powerful franchise. And all of that suggests that we should have very strong results and strong increases in Strategic Advisory year on year and exactly the degree how much will be a function of how the environment plays out over the next eight months. And whatever perspectives are for 2026 will be defined by how the second half of twenty twenty five plays out.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

But in almost any scenario, we still think we're positioned for strong increases in Strategic Advisory for the year. As a result that is an outlook which is remarkably consistent to what we talked about three months ago.

[Benjamin Rubin, Director, Equity Research at UBS Group]

Great. Thanks for the color Paul. I wanted to shift gears onto the comp ratio. You mentioned heading into this year that you were set up well to begin delivering comp leverage in '25 and you were able to do such in the first quarter bring it down roughly 150 basis points. So I'm just curious, what would you need to see in terms of the deal backdrop through the course of this year such that you would be more comfortable bringing it down further if possible?

[Benjamin Rubin, Director, Equity Research at UBS Group]

And also how much incremental recruiting costs does the 67.5% assume as far as additional hiring is concerned? Thank you.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Well, the 67.5% as Helen said is our best estimate for the full year. So by definition it reflects our estimate of our business performance for the full year and it reflects our estimate of the recruiting that will continue to occur throughout the year. So it's only deviations from that. If there's a meaningful deviation in our actual revenue performance or our actual recruiting or if we come to later in the year and we have visibility on 26 that causes us to reflect that as well into our 25 accrual rate. So I think it's those three legs of the stool will define our ability.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

But as Helen said, this is our best estimate of full year comp. And until there are factors that materially change that, that's the number.

[Helen Meates, CFO at PJT Partners]

And then Ben, just to remind you, we do refresh that view every quarter. So when it comes to the second quarter earnings, we will take a refresh view and update on what's changed.

[Benjamin Rubin, Director, Equity Research at UBS Group]

Great. And then just a quick follow-up. The 67.5% reflects your best estimate as of the end of the quarter, threethirty one or as of April?

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

As of today.

[Benjamin Rubin, Director, Equity Research at UBS Group]

As of today.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

It was officially done when we closed the books for the quarter, but there's nothing I've seen. I'm going to go out on Olivia and say there's nothing we've seen in the last few weeks that caused us to think that that's not the best estimate for the year.

[Operator]

We'll take a follow-up question now from James Yarrow of Goldman Sachs.

[James Yaro, Analyst at Goldman Sachs]

Just I think on your buybacks, you repurchased a healthy quantity of stock in the quarter and I think that underscores the unchanged guidance that you provided. Maybe you could just help us think through the cadence for buybacks from here and perhaps the time frame over which you believe you could fully offset the share count dilution from the past few years.

[Helen Meates, CFO at PJT Partners]

James, as in the past, we've typically been more heavily weighted to buybacks at the early part of the year, and we try and, as best we can, match the issuance that happens in the first quarter. So that has been a consistent pattern. But we've also been buying back shares throughout the year. And so we would anticipate that we will continue to be opportunistic to buy back shares going forward. We have neutralized all the issuance this year, but as you know, there are some other issuances in past years that we haven't completely got back.

[Helen Meates, CFO at PJT Partners]

So while the timing won't be perfect, we do intend to go and get back those shares as well.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Thank you, James.

[Operator]

Thank you. That will conclude our question and answer period. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Taubman for any closing comments.

[Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO at PJT Partners]

Well, thank you very much. We as always appreciate your interest in your company. We appreciate your participation in these earnings updates and we look forward to speaking to you when we report second quarter results this summer. Thank you very much.

Participants

Executives

• Sharon Pearson, Partner & Head - Investor Relations
• Paul Taubman, Founder, Chairman & CEO
• Helen Meates, CFO

Analysts

• Alexander Jenkins, Equity Research Associate at Citizens JMP
• James Yaro, Analyst at Goldman Sachs
• James Mitchell, Senior Equity Analyst at Seaport Global Securities
• Brendan O'Brien, Senior Vice President at Wolfe Research
• Benjamin Rubin, Director, Equity Research at UBS Group