Bausch + Lomb Q1 2025 Earnings Report

Bausch + Lomb EPS Results

• Actual EPS: -$0.07
• Consensus EPS: $0.03
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$0.10
• One Year Ago EPS: $0.07

Bausch + Lomb Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $1.15 billion
• Expected Revenue: $1.15 billion
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$367.00 thousand
• YoY Revenue Growth: +3.50%

Bausch + Lomb Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q1 2025
• Date: 4/30/2025
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 8:00AM ET

Bausch + Lomb (NYSE:BLCO) operates as an eye health company in the United States, Puerto Rico, China, France, Japan, Germany, the United Kingdom, Canada, Russia, Spain, Italy, Mexico, Poland, South Korea, and internationally. It operates in three segments: Vision Care, Pharmaceuticals, and Surgical. The Vision Care segment provides contact lens that covers the spectrum of wearing modalities, including daily disposable and frequently replaced contact lenses; and contact lens care products comprising over-the-counter eye drops, eye vitamins, and mineral supplements that address various conditions, such as eye allergies, conjunctivitis, dry eye, and redness relief. Its Pharmaceuticals segment offers proprietary and generic pharmaceutical products for post-operative treatments, as well as for the treatment of glaucoma, eye inflammation, ocular hypertension, dry eyes, and retinal diseases. The Surgical segment provides medical device equipment, consumables, and technologies for the treatment of cataracts, corneal, vitreous, and retinal eye conditions; and intraocular lenses and delivery systems, phacoemulsification equipment, and other surgical instruments and devices for cataract surgery. The company sells its products and services through direct sales forces and independent distributors. Bausch + Lomb Corporation was founded in 1853 and is headquartered in Vaughan, Canada. Bausch + Lomb Corporation is a subsidiary of Bausch Health Companies Inc.

Bausch + Lomb Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Mid single-digit constant-currency revenue growth of 5% in Q1 across all segments, with Pharmaceuticals underperforming due to US generics competition and Xiidra gross-to-net headwinds despite strong TRx growth.
• Voluntary recall of Envista IOLs after detecting a toxic anterior segment syndrome signal was resolved within a month, and enhanced vendor standards and inspection protocols have enabled full production to resume.
• Vision Care revenue grew 5% led by 42% growth in Daily SiHy lenses and an 85% surge in the Blink OTC dry eye franchise, while Surgical revenue rose 11% driven by 77% growth in premium IOLs.
• Full-year 2025 guidance raised to $5.0–5.1 billion revenue and $850–900 million adjusted EBITDA, absorbing approximately $55 million of recall headwinds and benefiting from favorable currency movements.
• Potential 120 bps adjusted EBITDA margin headwind from US-China tariffs will be mitigated through inventory adjustments, increased in-house manufacturing, pricing levers and a diversified global footprint.

Presentation

[Operator]

note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to George Gatkowski, Vice President of Investor Relations and Business Insights.

[Operator]

Please go ahead.

[George Gadkowski, VP, Head of Investor Relations & Business Insights at Bausch + Lomb]

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our first quarter twenty twenty five financial results conference call. Participating on today's call are Chairman and Chief Executive Mr. Brent Saunders and Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Sam Aldousuki.

[George Gadkowski, VP, Head of Investor Relations & Business Insights at Bausch + Lomb]

In addition to the slide webcast, a copy of today's slide presentation and a replay of this conference call will be available on our website under the Investor Relations section. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that our presentation today contains forward looking information. We would ask that you take a moment to read the forward looking legend at the beginning of our presentation as it contains information. This presentation contains non GAAP financial measures and ratios. For more information about these measures and ratios, please refer to slide one of the presentation.

[George Gadkowski, VP, Head of Investor Relations & Business Insights at Bausch + Lomb]

Non GAAP reconciliations can be found in the appendix to the presentation posted on our website. The financial guidance in this presentation is effective as of today only. It is our policy to generally not update guidance until the following quarter unless required by law and not to update or affirm guidance other than through broadly disseminated public disclosure. With that, it's my pleasure to turn the call over to Brent.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Thank you, George, and good morning, everyone. I'm going to put our first quarter performance in context and provide updates on two timely topics, followed by Sam's focus on the financials, including 2025 guidance. I'll wrap things up with examples of growth and opportunity in each of our businesses that have us excited for what the future holds. Almost two years ago, on my first earnings call after returning as CEO, I outlined our plan to reestablish Bausch and Lomb as the best eye health company. Core to that strategy are the priorities shown here, which have become a mainstay of earnings presentations and part of our DNA internally.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Establishing our priorities was critical, but our ability to stay the course will ultimately determine our success. We had a few bumps in the road to start the year, but our core business is performing well, and we remain focused on positioning the company for long term profitable growth. We delivered mid single digit constant currency revenue growth in the first quarter, which we expect will be in line with industry growth. While we did see constant currency revenue growth across all three reporting segments, Pharmaceuticals took a step back for two reasons: underperformance in our high margin U. S.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Generics business and Xiidra revenue headwinds, which we previously communicated despite impressive TRx growth. Both are being addressed, which we'll get into later. Instead of using our sales and operations update to tout market share growth or the latest advances in manufacturing, I'd like to highlight the resiliency of my colleagues around the world. The voluntary recall of IOLs on our Envista platform and the evolving tariff landscape presented new challenges, and I couldn't be more impressed with the response. Greediness, accountability, and customer first mentality continue to define our team.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

When it comes to innovation, enthusiasm around our pipeline is at an all time high. We have big things around the corner with the potential to significantly enhance the standard of care in eye health. I'll preface our recall update with a simple message. Patient safety is non negotiable. That's why we didn't wait for additional data or regulatory action when a toxic anterior segment syndrome, or TAS signal was detected in certain intraocular lenses on our Envista platform.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

We voluntarily pulled the lenses from the market in late March because it was the right thing to do. Our ability to return to market approximately one month later is nothing short of remarkable and speaks to the power of our people I referenced earlier. We immediately began a thorough investigation in collaboration with globally recognized task expert and an advisory group of nearly 30 top cataract surgeons, including leadership from the American Society of Cataract and Refractive Surgery. All signs began to point to lots that used raw material from a different vendor, which allowed us to confirm the cause. Inspection protocols for IOLs have been enhanced, and we've established more explicit standards for vendors.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

With these new processes in place, we've returned to full production of all Envista IOLs. Replenishing The US market is underway, with timing for market reentry in other countries being handled on a case by case basis in collaboration with health authorities. The amount of positive feedback and encouragement from customers over the past month has been overwhelming. Our relationships with the eye care professionals are built on trust, and I am confident our actions and transparency are helping to strengthen those bonds. One of the benefits of being in business for more than one hundred and seventy years is significant experience in dealing with uncertainty.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

We've weathered many storms as a resilient business in a resilient industry. That's important in the current tariff environment, which we are approaching with level heads and confidence in our planning. Sam will quantify the potential impact on our business, which is of course a moving target. As things currently stand, our biggest exposure is exporting from The U. S.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

To China, giving the escalation of reciprocal tariffs. That said, there are several levers we can pull that we believe will mitigate the overall impact of tariffs. These include inventory stocking, moving more manufacturing in house, and reevaluating pricing where and when it makes sense. But our biggest asset is our global footprint, which we began optimizing well before tariffs were on anyone's radar. Our manufacturing presence spans the globe and is matched by an expansive network of contract manufacturers and distribution facilities.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

When the dust settles, whenever that may be, we have the ability to shift many elements of our manufacturing based on cost effectiveness. In addition to blunting potential tariff impacts, this flexibility allows us to play offense against competitors with footprints that may not be as advantageous. Production of daily SiHy contact lenses, our fastest growing product, is a prime example. Those lenses are made in two places Rochester, New York and Waterford, Ireland, which could significantly lessen our exposure. While any shift in manufacturing would take time, scenario planning is well underway.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Q1 financial highlights include constant currency revenue growth across all reporting segments, once again demonstrating our holistic strength and lack of reliance on one product or region. 5% constant currency revenue growth in Vision Care was fueled by another quarter of dramatic daily SiHy uptake and the Blink franchise establishing itself as a fast growing brand in the OTC dry eye space. Stalwarts like Lumify and Ardalac continue to outperform and build lasting brand equity. Premium IOLs help to drive 11% constant currency revenue growth in surgical, which points to the ongoing opportunity and significance of getting Envista lenses back on the market safely and quickly. It's important to remember that our premium IOL portfolio is more than just Envista.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

In fact, we expect to introduce the full range of Vision LuxLife IOLs in Europe by the end of the second quarter. Earlier, I referenced headwinds in pharmaceuticals, where Q1 performance can best be described as a mixed bag despite 1% constant currency revenue growth. U. S. Generics faced increased competition and lower inventory within the channel, and Xiidra gross to net adjustments came in as expected.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

On the flip side, MYBA once again hit the high end of our projections, and International Pharma posted another solid quarter. I'll now turn it over to Sam, who will go deeper on the financials and provide 2025 guidance.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

Thank you, Brent, and good morning, everyone. Before we begin, please note that all of my comments today will be focused on growth expressed on constant currency basis unless specifically indicated otherwise. Turning now to our financial results on Slide nine. Total company revenue for the quarter was $1,137,000,000 which reflects growth of 5%. As Brent mentioned, we are maintaining our focus on executing our strategy and our core business is performing well.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

In the quarter, MyBook continued its exceptional launch performance and we saw ongoing growth momentum in our consumer and contact lens businesses. Our Surgical segment delivered solid growth across all three product categories, and we're excited to return the Envista IOLs to the market. For the first quarter, currency was a headwind of approximately $19,000,000 to revenue and $7,000,000 to adjusted EBITDA. Now let's discuss the results in each of our segments in more detail. Vision Care first quarter revenue of $656,000,000 increased by 5%, driven by growth in both consumer and contact lenses.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

The consumer business grew by 5% in Q1. Let me go over a few highlights. In the quarter, LUMIFY grew by 9%. LUMIFY continues to expand its market leading position. We continued our strong execution in the dry eye portfolio, which delivered $92,000,000 of revenue in Q1, representing 15% growth.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

Our two key franchises, ArteLac and Blink, once again contributed to this strong performance. Artilag grew by 15%, and Blink grew by 85% in the quarter. Eye vitamins grew by 4% in the quarter, driven by consumer consumption trends. Contact lens revenue growth was 5%. In the quarter, we saw solid growth in both the dailies and FRP portfolios.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

The dailies portfolio was up 7%. The growth was led by our Daily SiHy franchise, which was up 42% in the quarter. The FRP portfolio grew by 5%, led by our Ultra franchise, which was up 15% in the quarter. In Q1, we saw growth in both The U. S.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

And international markets. The U. S. Was up 7% and international was up 4%. Our contact lens business in China performed well and was up 6% in the quarter.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

Moving now to the Surgical segment. First quarter revenue was $214,000,000 an increase of 11%. In Q1, we once again saw growth in each of our three surgical product categories across the major markets. Consumables, which represents approximately 50% of surgical revenue, grew by 5%. Revenue from equipment was up 9%, and implantables grew by 26%.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

Standard IOLs, which are approximately 60% of the implantables portfolio, were up 6%. Premium IOLs were up 77%, led by growth of Envista. Keep in mind that Q1 sales were not impacted by the recall. Prior to the recall, we expected the Envesta platform to be a meaningful contributor to our full year guidance, and it continued to perform ahead of our expectations in the first quarter. While we do expect the recall to have a onetime impact in 2025, we are excited about the platform returning to market and are confident that over time, we will see the strong growth trajectory continue.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

Lastly, revenue in the Pharma segment was $267,000,000 in Q1, which represents growth of 1%. Our U. S. Branded Rx business was up 7% in the quarter, led by the continued performance of Mybo. Mybo delivered $57,000,000 of revenue in Q1.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

This represents sequential growth of 8% and year over year growth of over 100%. Our investments in Mybo continue to drive the exceptional market adoption, with Mybo TRx having expanded each quarter since launch. As Brent will discuss, average weekly TRxs were approximately 20,000 in Q1 and have nearly doubled from the prior year. Delivered $67,000,000 of revenue in the quarter. To start the year, the dynamics of Xiidra are playing out as we have previously discussed.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

We saw the natural seasonality, where the first quarter is typically the lowest and the fourth quarter is the highest. We also saw strong growth in volume, with average weekly TRx up 14% on a year over year basis. The growth in TRx was offset by higher gross to net deductions, driven by the Inflation Reduction Act and our investment to maximize patient access. We remain committed to driving Xiidra growth and believe the strategy will pay off given the long runway. In other parts of the pharma segment, our international pharma business was up 6% with strong performance in our largest markets in Europe.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

Our U. S. Generics business declined 23 in the quarter, driven by increased competition and lower inventory in the drug retail channel. As we look forward to the remainder of the year, we are executing multiple levers to help manage the dynamics in the genetics business. Now let me walk through some of the key non GAAP line items on Slide 10.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

Adjusted gross margin for the first quarter was 59.5%. This includes a onetime headwind of approximately 140 basis points related to the recall of Envista. In Q1, we invested $86,000,000 in adjusted R and D. First quarter adjusted EBITDA excluding IPR and D was $126,000,000 This includes a onetime impact of $16,000,000 related to inventory write off as a result of the investor recall. It also includes a $14,000,000 headwind driven by the decline of our higher margin U.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

S. Generics business. In the quarter, currency headwinds to adjusted EBITDA were approximately 7,000,000 Net interest expense for the quarter was $91,000,000 and adjusted EPS excluding IPR and D was a loss of $07 for the quarter. Turning now to our 2025 guidance on Slide 13. As I mentioned, our core business is performing well, and we expect the performance to continue throughout the year.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

We are raising our full year revenue guidance to a range of $5,000,000,000 to 5,100,000,000.0 The updated range absorbs the one time impact of the Envista recall, offset by favorable currency impact relative to our previous guidance. We are excited to return the Envista IOLs to the market. As Envista ramps back up, for the full year 2025, we estimate one time recall headwinds of approximately $55,000,000 to revenue and $65,000,000 to adjusted EBITDA. Recently, we saw a significant decline in the U. S.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

Dollar, which reversed our previous FX headwind assumptions. Based on current exchange rates, for the full year 2025, we now estimate currency to be neutral relative to 2024. The updated revenue guidance represents constant currency growth of approximately 4.5% to 6.5%. Excluding the one time impact of the investor recall, the constant currency revenue growth is expected to remain in line with our previous guidance range of 5.5% to 7.5%. Shifting to adjusted EBITDA, we are updating our adjusted EBITDA guidance to a range of $850,000,000 to 900,000,000 This also absorbs the onetime impact related to the investor recall, partially offset by a favorable currency impact relative to our previous guidance.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

In terms of the other key assumptions underlying our guidance, we expect adjusted gross margin to be approximately 61.5%. The adjusted gross margin absorbs an estimated one time 60 basis point headwind from the investor recall. For the full year, we continue to expect investments in R and D to be about 7.5% of revenue. As we monitor market conditions, we continue to expect interest expense to be approximately $375,000,000 for the full year. We expect our adjusted tax rate to be approximately 15%, which is at the low end of our previous guidance range.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

The lower rate relative to our previous guidance is mainly driven by the impact of the investor recall. We continue to expect full year CapEx to be approximately $280,000,000 In terms of our phasing, we continue to expect the natural seasonality of our business with the first quarter being the lowest and the fourth quarter being the highest. Also keep in mind the impact of the investor recall in our phasing this year. We anticipate the recall to have a more meaningful impact in Q2, which will include costs incurred as part of the investigation and a slower ramp as we return to full market supply. We anticipate Envesta sales to progressively increase in Q3 and Q4 as surgeon adoption expands.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

Consistent with our previous guidance, our current guidance excludes any potential one time IPR and D charges that we may incur in 2025. Finally, let me provide more detail on our perspectives regarding tariffs. As Brent mentioned, the tariff policy continues to be a moving target. We are staying focused and executing on what we can control to help mitigate the potential impact. We have already taken immediate actions to help mitigate part of the impact.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

I will continue to evaluate levers that we believe will provide us with additional benefits to further offset the potential tariff impact. Based on what we know today, we estimate tariffs to be a potential headwind of approximately 120 basis points to adjusted EBITDA margin in 2025. To be clear, this does not include all the potential mitigating levers we are currently evaluating. Given the dynamic environment, and as we continue to evaluate various mitigating levers, our updated guidance range does not reflect the potential tariff impact. We'll continue to provide you with an update as we progress throughout the year.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

Moving to Slide 14. Now let me provide some additional color on how to think about the updated revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance in 2025. Excluding the onetime impact of the investor recall, we continue to expect our business to perform well throughout the remainder of 2025. Our updated 2025 revenue guidance range is $5,000,000,000 to 5,100,000,000.0 It absorbs an estimated $55,000,000 1 time impact of the investor recall. The updated revenue guidance range also includes a positive currency movement of approximately $100,000,000 relative to our previous guidance.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

Our updated 2025 adjusted EBITDA guidance range is $850,000,000 to $900,000,000 It absorbs an estimated $65,000,000 1 time impact of the investor recall, 60,000,000 of which we saw in the first quarter. The updated adjusted EBITDA guidance range also includes a positive currency movement of approximately $20,000,000 relative to our previous guidance. To sum up, we delivered mid single digit constant currency revenue growth in the first quarter, and our core business is performing well. We are maintaining our focus on executing our strategy and positioning the company for long term profitable growth. And now, I'll turn the call back to Brent.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Thanks, Sam. Let's turn our attention to growth drivers for 2025 and beyond. Mybo prescriptions grew a staggering 98% year over year, crossing 20,000 in Q1. Perhaps more impressive was the 37% increase from Q4, which tells us we're still in launch mode with plenty of room to run. Prescribers understand the medication's unique benefits, which we're driving home with data.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

In February, a phase four study was published showing MIMO provided relief from dry eye symptoms for nearly fifty percent of patients in as little as five minutes after first use, adding to an already impressive dataset and addressing patient needs. Xiidra prescriptions grew 14% year over year following steady growth throughout 2024. Both medications, which combined for $124,000,000 in Q1 reported revenue, continue to benefit from effective direct to consumer campaigns and coverage that allows us to reach significantly larger patient populations. I've referenced the staying power of ArtaLoc and Lumify earlier. Let's focus on two consumer brands that fall under the Blink umbrella and the power of effective direct to consumer outreach.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Last year in The US, we launched Blink NutriTears, a clinically proven OTC nutritional supplement for dry eyes. Uptake can be slow with any new offering, especially in a space typically reserved for eye drops, But the latest figures are very encouraging and build on momentum we shared last quarter. Since launching a thirty second ad in January across linear and connected TV, we've seen a 10x increase in sales at major retailers, with a positive story emerging in terms of repeat buyers. More than 10% of eye care professionals recommended Blink NutriTears in the first quarter, thanks to convincing data and finally having access to a once a day nutraceutical. Uptake for Blink eye drops is equally as impressive.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Our DTC campaign is driving that growth, but the upward trajectory can also be attributed to old school blocking and tackling. We're getting the product in front of eye care professionals through sampling and engagement at industry events, which is even more important following the release of two preservative free Blink offerings in the first quarter. All told, the Blink family of products, which includes eye drops, lens care and supplements, delivered 84% reported revenue growth year over year. Daily SiHy contact lenses continue to win over customers and consumers with 42 constant currency revenue growth in the first quarter. That growth was even higher at 56% in The US, where the full suite of offerings is available.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

The same will be true later this year in Japan, our second biggest market for contact lenses, when we expect to introduce a toric option. We expect to introduce multifocal and toric options in other markets in 2026, maintaining our thoughtful approach to expansion. In the meantime, existing brands are filling the gap. Ultra monthly contact lenses is a prime example, with 13% reported revenue growth in the first quarter, despite a gradual industry shift towards daily lenses. Another vision care highlight worth noting is the March launch of Arise, a lens fitting system that uses cloud based technology to streamline the Ortho K lens design process.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

We believe this offering will help us build a foundation in the fast growing and critical area of myopia control. This slide serves as a reminder that IOLs are not the entirety of our surgical business, not even close. In fact, consumables, which delivered 5% constant currency revenue growth, account for roughly half of the business, while equipment with 9% constant currency revenue growth accounts for nearly a quarter. Those areas have not and will not be affected by the investor voluntary recall. That said, implantables will continue to be a critical part of our growth going forward and feature prominently in our pipeline.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

I mentioned the pending LuxLife launch earlier. We also expect to unveil a new LuxSmart Insertor within the next few weeks for select countries and anticipate a soft launch for Envista Envy in Europe later this year, with a full rollout expected in early twenty twenty six. I'll close with my favorite slide, a top line view of our refocused pipeline, which cuts across all businesses. Several of these products could be category disruptors, including a first of its kind biomimetic contact lens that would optimize oxygen permeability, the first dual action therapeutic to address both evaporative and inflammatory dry eye disease, the first product to treat ocular surface pain, and the first glaucoma product to lower intraocular pressure and improve visual acuity. Others, most notably OTC offerings, leverage brand favorability with new science.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

We're in the process of initiating clinical trials for most of these products, which means we're making meaningful progress in our journey to significantly enhance the standard of care in eye health. That's what continues to motivate us every day. Operator, let's move to Q and A.

[Operator]

Certainly. We will now begin the question and answer session. And the first question today will be coming from Patrick Wood from Morgan Stanley. Patrick, your line is live.

[Patrick Wood, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

Perfect. Thank you so much. Good morning, everyone. I'm going to skip over tariffs. I'm much more interested on the implantable side of things actually.

[Patrick Wood, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

Before the recall, Envy was we could all see it in the data, Envy was kind of kicking ass and doing very well in The U. S. You've obviously got what looks like a fairly aggressive assumption on the revenue line of a hit from the recall. How are you guys thinking about the total impact? How are you thinking about the effect that it has or hasn't had with customers?

[Patrick Wood, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

What are you hearing from the customer base? I'd love to dig into that. And then I've a quick follow-up on the same topic.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Sure. Thanks, Patrick. And I like the way you described Emmy's performance. I don't know if I could get away with saying that, but thank you, in the first quarter at least. So, look, we made the important decision that really didn't require much thought, right, which is always to put the quality and safety of our products first.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

And we decided to make the recall when we started to see a signal on task. When you look at the work the team did to resolve the issue and identify the problem after a thorough investigation, we feel incredibly confident that we made the right decision also to return to market. We were at ASCRS, I was there and as most of the team was this weekend in Los Angeles. And so we had a really great opportunity to interact with thousands of customers. And I think that the message is clear, which is we earned a lot of trust by the way we move swiftly to put patient safety first and the transparency in which we did it.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

I heard overwhelmingly from a lot of KOLs that they plan to immediately return to implanting Envista as soon as the next week or two, once supply is restored. And then I've heard from other surgeons who said, let's give it a couple of weeks or a month given the immediacy of the onset of tasks, so we should know pretty quickly, and that should settle the market. So when I look at it clearly second quarter is what it is, because it happened during second quarter. I do expect third quarter to start to see a pickup and my current thinking is by fourth quarter, we should start to restore trust and confidence and be back in business in a full force.

[Patrick Wood, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

Super helpful.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Does that make sense?

[Patrick Wood, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

It

[Patrick Wood, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

does. It dovetails nicely actually because to your point on ASCRS. I guess the second question is, we've seen J and J's number, we've got your number now. But certainly, what we had been hearing a little bit for The U. S.

[Patrick Wood, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

On the implantable side, and I understand you guys are much smaller in The U. S. Versus OUS. But for The U. S.

[Patrick Wood, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

Side on implantables, let's say, cataract volumes were actually pretty bad in the Q1. I'd assume that would just be the premium side of things, just the economy, etcetera, blah, blah, blah. And we also Rx's numbers. But do you what are you hearing from your customers around total cataract volumes? I know that's less impactful for you guys given your position in the market, but I'm just really curious.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Yes. We don't have hard data, but I can tell you anecdotally and through the recall and even at ESRS, I've been probably spending more time with cataract surgeons than any other customer for the last few months. And I think I would describe volumes as kind of normal. I don't think that there's a decline. I don't think there's a big increase either.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

I see it as very steady in the marketplace. I think with respect to the categories where we see more growth, it's monofocal plus and clearly there our only competitor is J and J. So they're going to benefit in the second quarter because of Aspire's recall. But I think when it comes to Envy, I think when you look at first quarter, even fourth quarter of last year, there was really nice adoption because of the quality of the lens and the quality of the outcome surgeons were achieving for patients. And that's what they want.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

They want a predictable strong outcome for a premium IOL.

[Patrick Wood, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

Super. Thanks so much guys.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question will be from Young Lee from Jefferies. Young, your line is live.

[Young Li, Senior VP - Equity Research at Jefferies]

All right. Great. Thanks for taking our questions. I guess to start, I wanted to ask a little bit about your consumer exposed businesses. You know, I was wondering if you can talk a little bit about what you saw from those segments in March or even April, if there's any cautiousness or or slowdown.

[Young Li, Senior VP - Equity Research at Jefferies]

And then if you can focus a little bit on The US consumer as well as China consumer sentiment, that'd helpful.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Yeah, so it's actually a great question. It's an interesting paradigm, right? Because the data we see and even in April, we see strong consumption still. I think there's two things that you have to watch out, which is, I think we're still going to see some continued destocking of inventory from retailers as they try to preserve cash or manage cash. We saw that last year in the drug channel.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

I think we're going to see it in a few other parts of consumer channel over the coming year. And then second, sentiment, and when you look at the sentiments surveys out of Michigan and other places, obviously they're quite concerning. That being said, if the dichotomy exists and we don't see it in the actual consumption yet. That being said, we probably have more resiliency than others, because most of what we sell are essential healthcare products. And so they tend to be less discretionary.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

And so I think we feel cautiously optimistic about the consumer business on a go forward basis. Demand looks really solid. And that includes China. I mean, even China our best barometer in the first quarter is contact lenses and we saw a 6% growth in China in contact lenses. So again, I understand the sentiment, we just don't see it in the consumption data.

[Young Li, Senior VP - Equity Research at Jefferies]

All right, great. That's very helpful. I guess one on tariffs, still a hot topic. You know, you have a pretty diversified manufacturer footprint, lots of mitigation potential efforts that you highlighted. I guess I'm just kind of curious, you know, how quickly can you implement some of those things and, you know, thoughts on your ability to pass price on through to customers if needed.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Yes, let take a stab at a high level answer and then I'll turn it over to Sam. So you're correct. I mean, of our tariff exposure comes from the reciprocality of tariffs from China. In our current configuration, most of our surgical and a lot of our contact lens and solutions are manufactured in The U. S.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

And exported to China. And so that's a vast majority of our impact today. I think as you look, if you believe these tariffs are well perhaps maybe the better way to think about it is you got to divide the mitigation strategies into kind of two categories, right? The things you can do immediately, which Sam can talk about in terms of inventory and utilizing free trade zones. And then the second is, if you believe these things are going to be long term, which as you know is a moving target almost on a daily basis, You can strategize in terms of moving production to other facilities in Europe or even Asia.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

That takes a little bit more time and then requires a little bit more investment. So we're spending a lot of time on scenario planning and getting ready, but not pulling triggers yet on these second type of actions. But Sam, maybe turn it over to you.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

Sure. And the way we, approach this, we took a number of steps here, we took it quite seriously in terms of pulling together, I'll refer to the task force focused on on tariffs, and I I lead the work with with our operation teams on this. And when you think about tariffs and and you think about and reflect on the slides that we shared with you earlier today or earlier this morning, We are well positioned from a manufacturing point of view in The US. So when you think about, as Brent said, like, when you look at our manufacturing, we're well positioned because of our manufacturing in The US. It's really the impact on how we actually move product from The US into China.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

And with that, think there's probably you I'll break it up into the two parts actions. I'll refer to it as the step one, as no regret actions, which is things that we've already deployed and we'll continue to deploy such as inventory, management, inventory movement, how we actually ship products in and out of certain locations, and how we can be able to work through that part of it. The second part of the actions are, a little bit more critical to, things to evaluate because the situation continues to be fluid. It's a dynamic sort of environment right now with how things are continuing to evolve, and user changing quite a bit. And those implications will have a longer element, which we believe many of those steps that we'll take through that second phase will meaningfully offset the tariffs exposure we talked about this morning.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

However, they will also require elements of implementation, and those will include the pricing or changes in our actual supply chain, streams in terms of how we and where we manufacture and chip products from. So, again, it's, ongoing work. We're taking it seriously with, Apollo all hands on deck in terms of focus on it. And I think we'll continue to monitor what happens from a positive point of view.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Yes, I would add one other comment, just you didn't ask the question, but if we did see tariffs, in pharmaceuticals, we're really insulated from that. Our U. S. Pharmaceutical business is made all those products, Libo Xiidra and generics and everything else are made in The U. S.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

For The U. S.

[Young Li, Senior VP - Equity Research at Jefferies]

All right, great. Very helpful.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Thank

[Operator]

you. The next question will be from Joanne Wuensch from Citibank. Joanne, your line is live.

[Joanne Wuensch., Managing Director at Citi]

Good morning, and thank you for taking the question. I want to just pause for a second on the contact lens market. I'd love to get your view on what you're seeing in The US and The OUS in terms of demand, and a little bit going to the question earlier of potential recessionary impacts on the business. But I'll throw my second question in here. Looking at slide 20, and you have one, two, three, four different contact lenses in queue.

[Joanne Wuensch., Managing Director at Citi]

And anything you could share with us about the products, what you're excited about, the timing would be fabulous. Thank you.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Yeah, absolutely. Joanne, as you know, the market data on contact lenses that we source comes in, I guess in a couple of weeks or a month. So we don't have the actual data. So I'll have to speak more based on what we're seeing in the market and anecdotal comments from customers. And we see continued mid single digit growth of the market.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

I think there are some of our competitors that have different selling models that had some destocking just like we saw in our consumer business that doesn't really impact us as much. But I think all in all, I think consumption or demand remains in that mid single digit kind of number. I think in terms of the recession, when you go back and look at other recessions and I don't think if we entered one, it would be perhaps as severe as the financial crisis driven one. But there you still saw growth, albeit muted growth, but I think it is a fairly resilient market and people don't drop out of lens use during a recession. You may see less new starts, not in a significant way, it would be a more modest impact.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

In terms of the pipeline, Yehir Haddad, our Head of R and D is here. You want to just touch on some of your

[Yehia Hashad, EVP - Research and Development & CMO at Bausch + Lomb]

Yes, sure. Specifically in terms of the contact lenses, we continue to make substantial progress on the development of our biomimetic lenses. We're currently in the final optimization study within our clinic, but we're going for the big clinic as we announced in JPMorgan second half of the year, and we'll start this study. And then we obviously also completed recruitment for our myopia contact lens, and we are expecting to see some interim analysis data by beginning of twenty twenty six. We have also started the program on the premium FRP SiHy lens that will give us also longer duration.

[Yehia Hashad, EVP - Research and Development & CMO at Bausch + Lomb]

So in terms of the pipeline for the contact lens in particular, we have some very exciting programs that are progressing and on track to deliver results.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

And I would add, Joanne, I think also put aside the novelty and technology upgrades of some of these lenses. They were designed for purpose on existing to be made on existing manufacturing infrastructure. And so thereby solving one of the biggest issues and bringing new contact lenses to market is the large capital investment usually needed to ramp up manufacturing. We largely avoid that with this pipeline. And so very proud of the R and D team's ability to drive innovation, on existing manufacturing platforms, which is really an added difficulty, when trying to innovate and they did that well.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

I think I would just add one last thing on the pipeline. Clearly, we have the clinical trials for the pharmaceutical programs, all starting in the second half of this year. And so we're super excited about those programs. But also Elios in our MIGS glaucoma. We hope to or anticipate an approval by the end of the year.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

And so we have a lot of work going on in R and D this year.

[Joanne Wuensch., Managing Director at Citi]

Excellent. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question will be from Larry Biegelsen from Wells Fargo. Larry, your line is live.

[Analyst]

Hi, good morning. It's Lei calling in for Larry. Thanks for taking the questions. First, just going back to tariffs. Sam, you talked about tariff impact approximating 120 basis points to EBITDA margin this year.

[Analyst]

Can you give any thoughts on how we should think about the ramp through the year, just given how inventory rose through the P and L? I mean, we would assume Q2 margin impact would be less than 120 basis points and Q4 would be greater. Can you give any sort of order of magnitude or color? And I have a follow-up.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

Sure. So when you think about the actions that we've taken, actually, we will protect it, I'll say, the first half of this year with the actions that have already been taken. So I wouldn't expect that you would see much of a meaningful impact of the tariffs in Q2 for us. I think when you think about it, it'll probably be more into the second half of this year, assuming all the policies stays in order and we don't have any additional development in terms of our other delays or other shifts that will take place. So again, it's a very dynamic situation in Italy.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

So but for as you start to think about your own modeling in terms of how we're thinking about it, Q2 is well protected. It will probably be more of a, at this point, the second half.

[Analyst]

Got it. And would you say second half Q3, Q4 would be fairly balanced? Or would you expect a ramp from Q3 to Q4?

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

I would say, at this point, would say it's probably well balanced. Again, it depends also the mitigating actions. I view this as a of time, right? Because I think we're, again, we're sitting still standing still here without taking action. So there'll be more actions that we'll continue to deploy that we would expect that will continue to mitigate the 120 basis points as we look into the second half.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Right. I think it's also important to we're basing our assumptions off of policy that seems to change every day. And so we're looking at the most stringent policy, which is essentially no change, many of these tariffs going back into effect in June after the ninety day pause. But if those if deals are cut or extensions are given, and clearly if a negotiation with China could happen, then this could look very different.

[Analyst]

Got it. So this is essentially a call it worthless type of scenario based on what you know today.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

You would like to think that, but I think given the way the president announces tariffs, it's hard to predict that he couldn't make them higher, but you got to think common sense wise that this is the worst case, right?

[Analyst]

Got it. Okay. That's super helpful. And for my follow-up on Xiidra, as you said, prescription volume has been growing really well, pretty solid. And you said the headwinds for Q1 were as expected.

[Analyst]

Your expectation for the full year in terms of the headwinds, have that changed? And should we think about how should we think about Xiidra growth through the year? Should we expect sales to grow sequentially based on volume growth? Thank you.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Yes. You're exactly right. So when last year we probably talked almost every quarter about anticipated gross to net headwinds in 2025 and those are why we say they were expected. That being said, think when you look at the strategy for Xiidra in particular, it was really a two part strategy. One was to gain access to grow volume.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Seeing about 14% TRx volume on Xiidra certainly confirms that that part of the strategy is working. But now we have to pull through the profitability through the P and L. And that has helped in part by seasonality, right? As you go through the year, first quarter because of co pays and deductibles is always the weakest. The fourth quarter is always the best in that regard.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

But we are also putting in other programs that go into effect in the next month or two to continue to focus on improving profitability while we continue to

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

try to expand access.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

And on your last part of your question in terms of the guidance for the full year, it still remains unchanged for us. And I think that was we clarified that as we were putting out the bridge for the guidance is really we changed the guidance on the investor recall, everything else remain unchanged.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Yes.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

I mean, keep in mind first quarter for a product like Xiidra will have the highest impact from gross to net because of the higher copay deductibles patients face in that quarter.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question will be from Douglas Mime from RBC Capital. Douglas, your line is live.

[Douglas Miehm, Analyst at RBC Capital Markets]

Yes. Thank you, and

[Douglas Miehm, Analyst at RBC Capital Markets]

good morning. Just on pharmaceutical tariffs, if they were introduced, what I'm curious about is where the intellectual properties help for the likes of MIBO and Xiidra and anything else of importance relative to where they're manufactured and sold and what the implications could be there?

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Yeah, so to be fair, and Sam can touch on the IP, but the reality is its country of origin where they're manufactured is what the tariffs have been based on to date. And both Mybo and Xiidra and all of our pharmaceutical products that we sell in The United States are made in The U. S.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

They're either made at CMOs in The U. S. Or in our facility in Tampa, which is quite large. From a competitive basis, I think that is if we saw pharmaceutical tariffs, that's a good outcome for us. As much as U.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

S. Generics was a laggard, all of our U. S. Generics are made in our Tampa facility. And that would be a part of the business that would be more sensitive to tariffs given the lower margins of our competitors.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

And so I think we're well positioned if in fact we see tariffs on pharmaceuticals. But the IP Sam is probably

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

Yeah. We have majority of our IPs sitting in Ireland. I think we've commented that before, and that's part of our overall sort of planning in terms of where we hold IP and our tax structure.

[Douglas Miehm, Analyst at RBC Capital Markets]

Okay. Perfect. And then just my follow-up question. Brent, you commented on a couple, you know, your favorite slide and a couple opportunities. Could you expand on the glaucoma product and the timing of when we might see that introduced?

[Douglas Miehm, Analyst at RBC Capital Markets]

Thank you.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Yeah, I'm going to since Yahe is here and he's the expert, I'll let Yahe answer that.

[Yehia Hashad, EVP - Research and Development & CMO at Bausch + Lomb]

Yeah. So the glaucoma product, actually, we are now in the phase of preparing all the necessary formulation and optimization of the formulation. We acquired this asset end of last year, in December actually. The asset we acquired had clinical data from a study of about 60 patients that demonstrated clearly that this alpha-two agonist, it's a new chemical entity, had the ability to reduce intraocular pressure, but it showed positive results on two functional outcomes. One of them was the low luminance visual acuity, and the other one was the microperimetry or the visual field.

[Yehia Hashad, EVP - Research and Development & CMO at Bausch + Lomb]

And this is based actually matching with the hypothesis on its mechanism of action. So we what currently doing are just doing optimization of the formulation, and we're going to start another confirmatory Phase II study. We plan to start this around November timeframe, and it should actually not be a long study because it's a confirmatory study, so it should be about six months study. And the idea is to replicate the results of what we have seen in the first study. If this is positive, we can go directly to III, and this would be the first IOP lowering agent that is associated with functional improvement in terms of visual acuity and microperimetry.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Yeah, which is, you know, when I talk to glaucoma specialist, that is kind of the Holy Grail, and so we're very excited about the product, but we need to do the work to confirm our findings and then move aggressively into Phase III.

[Yehia Hashad, EVP - Research and Development & CMO at Bausch + Lomb]

We have to remember that the unmet medical need is huge, because currently all treatments are addressing the just lowering intraocular pressure. However, patients are still losing vision despite being treated for IOP lowering agents. So this is a great opportunity to address this huge unmet medical need as well.

[Douglas Miehm, Analyst at RBC Capital Markets]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question will be from Matt Miksic from Barclays. Matt, line is live.

[Matt Miksic, Equity Research Analyst at Barclays Investment Bank]

Hi, thanks so much for taking the questions, and congrats on sort of getting through and getting back to the market on the recalled products. On that front, off to a pretty good start as you talked about end of last year and into early this year. Anything else in surgical, whether it's equipment or any of the strategies that folks have pursued around adjustable or certain next gen lenses that you think would be important to sort of get a bigger footprint over time in that business? And I have one follow-up.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Yes, so absolutely. And we are focused on other areas. I'd mentioned earlier our entry into the MIGS glaucoma space with we're still anticipating approval at the very end of the year this year for a launch beginning of twenty six. We continue to do the EDOF and VISTA beyond studies and that is enrolling now and that study is going. So that would finish out our premium IOL offerings.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

We have the new Stellaris program at the end of twenty twenty six, Cnova it's called, we're very excited about that. And so there's a lot of work, including new lasers, femto and everything else. So lots of work.

[Yehia Hashad, EVP - Research and Development & CMO at Bausch + Lomb]

I don't know, Yahiya, anything else you'd comment on in No, actually, we continue to drive actually all the franchises from implantable to the equipments. As you mentioned, from an equipment perspective, we have the SINUVA. TINU, we approved the myopia only indication. We are actually just completing the study for the hyperopia, and we should be also submitting an indication for the hyperopia for TBL. And then we don't have to forget also that we have a complete range of intraocular lenses, which is the Lux Smart and Lux Life, which is under the cutting edge technology.

[Yehia Hashad, EVP - Research and Development & CMO at Bausch + Lomb]

We are expecting the approval of the Lux Smart very soon actually in the European Union. And it's a slightly different platform than the Envista because they use a different optical design diffractive technology. So we are really very excited about all these programs that's going and should be delivering for us on the short term as well.

[Matt Miksic, Equity Research Analyst at Barclays Investment Bank]

That's great. Thank you. And just as a follow-up, I think we've all like to sort of believe the tariffs are going to have settled back down. But one of the things that was sort of hopeful during this year and fairly active was general activity on the M and A front. You've been active for the past twelve, twenty four months.

[Matt Miksic, Equity Research Analyst at Barclays Investment Bank]

Would love to get a sense of your posture there, how the environment is affecting your activity level or thoughts on building out the portfolio strategically given the environment?

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Yes. I think you're right. Everybody was expecting some sort of bonanza in M and A, and clearly that hasn't materialized. That's because just like capital markets, M and A markets don't like uncertainty and tariffs certainly create some turmoil, particularly the ever changing posture around tariffs. I think the other effect we're seeing is a slowdown venture funding in this space.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

And so that's probably a net positive for us as some of these really interesting technologies that are small startup companies are looking for sources of capital that allows us to get early looks or early rights to technologies at prices probably we couldn't have thought about in the last year or two. But in terms of M and A, we're not looking at doing any big M and A this year. We continue to really hone in on looking for intellectual property in early stage technologies that can bolster Yihia's already pretty robust pipeline.

[Matt Miksic, Equity Research Analyst at Barclays Investment Bank]

Very helpful. Thanks.

[Operator]

Thank you. And we have time for one last question today coming from Robbie Marcus from JPMorgan. Robbie, your line is live.

[Robert Marcus, Analyst at JPMorgan Chase]

Oh, great. Thank you for taking the questions. I'll squeeze the two into one here. I appreciate that we all hope tariffs go away and they're transitory. But you're the only company so far in medtech that hasn't included in the guide.

[Robert Marcus, Analyst at JPMorgan Chase]

And as of now, they're real and policy. And by my math, something like 20% to 25% EPS headwind for the second half this year, 40 to 50% without mitigation headwind to EPS next year. So I'm wondering if the tariffs hold, how do you feel about your ability to mitigate the tariffs assuming that number you gave was a gross number? And are you at risk of tripping any of the debt covenants, given the meaningful run rate impact? Thanks a lot.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Yes. So let me start just philosophically and then Sam can provide more color. I think the reason we're handling it, but the way we did philosophically is one to provide transparency on the impact and the actions we're taking. But two, given that it seems to change on a daily, weekly basis, we don't want to have to update guidance every time there's a press conference at the White House either. And so I think just quantifying in a very transparent way what those current tariffs impact and mitigation strategies are, is the cleanest way for us to handle it.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Certainly, if they stay into effect and if you believe that that's the current status is the permanent status, that would change the way I think we handle it. I don't think that that's the most likely outcome, but again, it's such a fluid situation. I think this is the right way to handle it. But Sam, you wanted to talk about the other No,

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

that's exactly right. And Ravi, when you think about, again, it's a very dynamic global environment, Things changes if not on a weekly basis, sometimes on a daily basis based on what happens here. So I think the two things that you have to keep in mind is, there's a movement on the tariffs itself and the policy setting, and I will leave that to the policy setting sort of aspect of in terms of what they ultimately decide what the tariffs are. But the other part, which is continues to be an important factor that you is what we control and the levers that we have in our sort of control to be able to execute on. And I tried to highlight it on, the prepared remarks and also in, the previous question, which is if you think about it, there's multiple levers that we, I'll call it, are fully executable.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

We are in either already executed them or in in the process of executing them, and they are offsetting elements of that tariffs. There's other levers as well that we will be able to execute that will be meaningfully offsetting this exposure that we just talked about today. So the reason why I highlight that point is it's two moving pieces. The tariffs itself, the policy saying itself is moving. We don't know where that is gonna ultimately end up landing, but there's also multiple elements in our control that we're taking action on to be able to offset that.

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

So that itself should give you a sense of the fact that we're why we didn't put into the guidance because this is a continued to be a moving target here. I would not sort of take the liberty of trying to normalize that number for a '26 or anything beyond that at this point because of the elements of the moving element nature of it, as well as the levers that we're still executing that this should not give you a run rate, a reasonable run rate as you think forward going beyond '25. And then on the last part of your question in terms of debt covenants, are in

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

full

[Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO at Bausch + Lomb]

compliance. We're looking at that with multiple levers, multiple elements with our guidance, we're in full compliance of our debt.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Great. Thank you, Ravi. Operator, just some closing thoughts. Thanks to everyone who joined the call. We look forward to continuing to engage around our business.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

I'd like to end with just thanking our team around the world. Clearly, it was a solid quarter despite some bumps in the road. But I think when you see an issue like we saw with Envista, how a team responds is so critically important and the focus on patient safety first and the absolute mindset of finding the root cause and the amount of hard work our team demonstrated is a testament to their grittiness, to their commitment to patient safety and their commitment to our company and our customers. So a lot of learnings there and really proud of how the team reacted to a difficult situation. We look forward to keeping you updated and we'll talk to you soon.

[Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman at Bausch + Lomb]

Thank you so much.

[Operator]

Thank you. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• George Gadkowski, VP, Head of Investor Relations & Business Insights
• Brent Saunders, CEO & Chairman
• Sam Eldessouky, EVP & CFO
• Yehia Hashad, EVP - Research and Development & CMO

Analysts

• Patrick Wood, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley
• Young Li, Senior VP - Equity Research at Jefferies
• Joanne Wuensch., Managing Director at Citi
• Analyst
• Douglas Miehm, Analyst at RBC Capital Markets
• Matt Miksic, Equity Research Analyst at Barclays Investment Bank
• Robert Marcus, Analyst at JPMorgan Chase