indie Semiconductor Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 12, 2025

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to ND Semiconductors First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Ashish Gupta, Investor Relations.

Operator

Mr. Gupta, please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, welcome to Indy Semiconductor's First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Call. Joining me today are Don McClimek, Indy's CEO and acting CFO and Mark Tindle, Head of Corporate Development and Investor Relations. Donald will provide opening remarks and discuss business highlights. Mark will then provide a review of Indy's Q1 results and Q2 outlook.

Speaker 1

Please note that we'll be making forward looking statements based on current expectations and assumptions, which are subject to risks and uncertainties. These statements reflect our views only as of today and should not be relied upon as representative about views as of any subsequent date. These statements are subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations. For material risks and other important factors that could affect our financial results, please review our risk factors in our annual report on Form 10 ks for the fiscal year ended 12/31/2024, as well as other public reports filed with the SEC. Finally, the results and guidance discussed today are based on consolidated non GAAP financial measures, such as non GAAP gross margin, non GAAP operating loss, non GAAP net loss, and non GAAP net loss per share.

Speaker 1

For a complete reconciliation to GAAP and the definition of non GAAP reconciling items, please see our earnings press release, which was issued in advance of this call and can be found on our website at www.indi.inc. I'll now turn the call over to Donald.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Ashish, and welcome, everybody. Let me first review our financial performance within the context of the overall automotive market before focusing on Indi's business achievements. During the first quarter, Indy achieved total revenue of $54,100,000 representing a relatively robust performance given the current automotive market sentiment. During the quarter, we saw weaker than expected demand at certain OEMs, coupled with a slower start to the year in China. Since our previous earnings call back in February, the global macroeconomic environment has changed dramatically.

Speaker 2

It's important to note upfront that the new U. S. Trade policies and resulting tariffs on imported automobiles and vehicle parts, which were announced in early April, have had minimal direct impact on Indy's operations to date. Our Asian manufacturing partners ship very little directly to The U. S, and we maintain a globally diversified supply chain that provides significant resilience against such policy shifts.

Speaker 2

The only exception being some photonics components from our Canadian facility, which were marginally affected. While our direct exposure is limited, tariffs are impacting overall market sentiment and creating uncertainty across the automotive industry. Multiple OEMs have recently announced a reduction in vehicle production, temporary layoffs or paused shipments to The U. S. We expect other OEMs to follow.

Speaker 2

Consequently, we anticipate vehicle prices for U. S. Consumers may increase by several thousand dollars, which could ultimately lead to a drop in end vehicle demand. While we are not fully immune, our diverse product portfolio and new product ramps should mitigate any broader market challenges. Automotive market analysts, including S and P Global Mobility, are now forecasting a reduction in global vehicle sales of $1,300,000 in 2025.

Speaker 2

In the specific case of The U. S, imports of vehicles, engines and parts represent $458,000,000,000 in global trade, and the planned tariffs will impact over half of the vehicles sold in The U. S, with analysts forecasting that average U. S. Vehicle prices will increase by over 9% in 2025.

Speaker 2

I spoke last quarter about how 2025 will be an important year for India as we introduce new products, and our customers ramp our solutions across our multiple ADAS sensing and user experience applications. Despite the challenging market backdrop, we continue to secure new design wins across a global consumer customer base, leveraging our highly differentiated and innovative technologies. Notably, vision and radar design wins are on track to ramp production in the second half of twenty twenty five and continue through 2026. Now let me turn to our notable business progress and key achievements during the first quarter. ADAS is the major long term focus for Indi and a core driver of our future growth.

Speaker 2

Our engineering expertise and innovation across analog and mixed signal design and world leading in house algorithmic expertise sets us apart from our peer group, enabling an unrivaled product portfolio across all ADAS sensing modalities, including radar and vision. First, our flagship 77 gigahertz radar solution is progressing well with excellent feedback from our lead Tier one customer with on road testing results demonstrating compliance to all key performance specifications. North American, Chinese and European OEM feedback to our lead customer indicates the product has been extremely well received. Initial production orders and shipments by our customer with these OEMs remains firmly on track for late twenty twenty five. Equally important, during the first quarter, momentum remains strong for our Vision portfolio, featuring our class leading proprietary image signal processing.

Speaker 2

Firstly, we secured a new design win for our flagship IND eight eighty processor with Valeo, a leading European Tier one, for in cabin monitoring, including thermal sensing capability for a North American OEM targeting production deployment in 2028. In addition, we were awarded an eMirror design win for IND eight eighty with a Korean OEM targeting trucks and buses with first on the road deployments commencing at the end of this year. Last quarter, I mentioned our growing success in China for vision applications such as eMidder and in cabin monitoring. I'm pleased to report our traction continues with further wins for our GW5 Vision processor, including at Mercedes China with YFTEC, the largest emitter supplier in China, and an in cabin monitoring win for BYD targeting production starting in the fourth quarter of this year. And finally, our global partnership with Bosch continues.

Speaker 2

We were recently selected for an additional high volume in cabin monitoring deployment with Toyota. To emphasize the importance of the product lines, we anticipate that each of the Radar and Vision portfolios will generate well in excess of 100,000,000 incremental annual revenue. Finally, we highlighted last quarter that we see growing applications for our existing products in automotive adjacent segments, particularly in industrial, that we plan to exploit. I'm pleased to share that our Photonics Group have already secured notable design wins for our existing high performance laser products for industrial and quantum communications applications, which offer tremendous potential for the future. Challenging and dynamic market conditions, which we cannot control, have become part of doing business within the automotive market in recent times.

Speaker 2

What is key is that India has maintained a laser focus on developing market leading solutions and deep commercial partnerships to address the long term and substantial automotive semiconductor opportunity. And in this regard, I'm pleased to share that India has now shipped greater than 500,000,000 ships cumulatively since our inception. This is a fantastic testament to the incredible value our solutions bring to Tier 1s and OEMs alike and to our global operations and customer support expertise. While we expect sentiment to remain volatile, we continue to expect vehicle semiconductor content will grow strongly beyond today's average $1,000 per vehicle propelled by global safety and emissions regulations and unrelenting consumer demand for the best in cabin user experiences. Indy's positioning as a supplier of compelling differentiated solutions to address the transformative automotive megatrends remains robust.

Speaker 2

I will now turn the call over to Mark for a review of our Q1 results and Q2 outlook.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Donald, and good afternoon, everyone. Indy's first quarter revenue of $54,100,000 increased 3.3% from a year ago, but was marginally below the midpoint of our revenue outlook, while non GAAP gross margin of 49.5% was within expectations. R and D expense was $30,800,000 with SG and A of $11,100,000 bringing total operating expenses to $41,900,000 consistent with our outlook. As a result, our first quarter non GAAP operating loss was $15,100,000 With net interest expense of $1,600,000 our net loss was $16,700,000 and loss per share was $08 on a base of 211,500,000.0 shares. Turning to the balance sheet, we exited the first quarter with total cash, including restricted cash of $246,900,000 down from $284,500,000 in the fourth quarter, reflecting a net reduction of $37,600,000 during the quarter.

Speaker 3

Cash usage in the quarter was higher than normal, primarily driven by payment and collection timing related factors, specifically $10,000,000 related to accounts payable and $11,000,000 for accounts receivable, which we expect will normalize. Moving to our outlook, with current market uncertainties impacting the overall automotive environment, for the second quarter of twenty twenty five, we expect to deliver revenue within the range of 50,000,000 to $53,000,000 or $51,500,000 at the midpoint. Based on the anticipated product mix, we expect second quarter gross margins to be in the range of 48% to 50%. We expect OpEx of $39,800,000 with approximately $29,000,000 of R and D expense and $10,800,000 of SG and A expense. Below the line, we expect net interest expense of approximately $1,800,000 with no cash tax expense.

Speaker 3

Assuming the midpoint of the revenue ranges and with a base of 215,200,000.0 shares, we expect an sequentially, we remain confident in and committed to our innovation and growth objectives. As Donald described earlier, the fundamental automotive semiconductor market trends are strong and persist despite the macro situation. We continue to focus on ramping our customers with innovative value add solutions, in particular for ADAS that allow them to bring differentiated technology to market while we maintain strong operational discipline. As always, we will remain nimble while navigating the current headwinds and emerge stronger, better positioned to maximize in the market's tremendous inherent opportunity. We mentioned on our last earnings call that we were in a review of our operating expenditure with the objective to reduce and accelerate our path to profitability.

Speaker 3

Given the current uncertain automotive market environment, this mandate has increased in strategic importance. We have now completed this review and just initiated the execution of a plan for a series of restructuring measures, where we will exit some of our lower margin and less attractive product lines in addition to other cost reductions across the company. We expect to see initial benefits from lower OpEx in the second quarter, meaningful benefits in the third quarter with full reductions hitting the P and L in the fourth quarter, where we expect to achieve a quarterly reduction of approximately 8,000,000 to $10,000,000 per quarter, or approximately 32,000,000 to $40,000,000 on an annualized basis. This reduced level of OpEx will allow us to reach breakeven of a revenue base of approximately $65,000,000 per quarter. However, I do want to stress none of our strategic ADAS programs will be impacted by these restructuring actions.

Speaker 3

We will continue to invest across hardware design, software and marketing resources, ensuring both our key radar and vision programs will ramp on schedule at our global OEM customers through 2025 and 2026. We believe prudent expense management, a healthy cash position and ramping programs position Indi incredibly well to navigate current conditions and execute on the vast majority of our pipeline. This balanced approach will support our return to a strong growth profile as design wins ramp through 2025 and beyond. With that, I'll turn the call back to Donald for his closing comments.

Speaker 2

The global trade dynamics have become unpredictable, and we have seen this manifest as a wait and see conservatism across our broad customer base. However, despite current challenges, the fundamental trend of increasing semiconductor content in vehicles continues unabated. Indy's technology leadership and innovative and expanding product portfolio ensures that we are well positioned to emerge stronger from the current global trade and economic turbulence. No other semiconductor company as a product portfolio was brought as Indy's to meet the diverse needs of the automotive megatrends, and this empowers Indy to capitalize on the enduring market opportunity. That concludes our prepared remarks.

Speaker 2

Operator, please open the line for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now conduct a question and answer session. Riley Securities. Please proceed.

Speaker 4

Yes. Thanks for taking the question and all the color on the call, guys. Donald, I wanted to follow-up with the comment you made in your prepared remarks regarding vision and radar being on track to ramp in the second half of the year. One, I was hoping you could provide a little bit more qualitative color on the breadth of the ramp and the types of programs that you might be involved in, but also some quantitative color, give us a sense for how significant that ramp in the back half of the year would be. Thank you.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Greg. So we have many wins, as we've spoken about over several quarters, with many applications ranging from in cabin applications for driver monitoring, multi beam monitoring, e mirrors in the vision space. And now with our radar products, we're able to address both forward facing and corner radars in that application. Each of these product lines, as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, have the strong potential to be significantly greater than $100,000,000 per year for us in each case. We've talked a lot about our strategic relationships with several OEMs.

Speaker 5

We've called out Vallejo and Bosch in prepared remarks today. And we are a little cautious as we look out into the second half of the year because there has been turbulence in the market, particularly The U. S. And European vendors have struggled to limit market share with the increased competition coming from their Chinese peers. But that being said, we remain confident in the peak of the ramp.

Speaker 5

Timing and steepness of the ramp is always a little hard to gauge, but other than that we feel really good about where we are with all of these programs.

Speaker 4

Got it. Thank you. And then I'll ask the follow-up to Mark. Mark, I didn't catch in your commentary what you expected the fourth quarter OpEx level to be after the operating expenses are fully implemented. So can you please recap that?

Speaker 4

And then as we think about what that means for calendar 2026 operating expense, not looking for guidance, but just qualitatively, how do we look at base level of OpEx versus what would go forward from 4Q? Thank you.

Speaker 3

For Q4, it's approximately $33,000,000

Speaker 5

And

Speaker 3

then flat the second half,

Speaker 6

sorry, through 2026, not the second half.

Operator

The next question comes from Ross Seymore with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed.

Speaker 7

Hi, guys. Just wanted to see the I know the crystal ball is difficult into the second half of the year and the technology is good according to what you said for both radar and vision. Is the biggest wildcard the slope of the curve, volumes at the launch? And what are you seeing with your customers on that? Is it more the timing of the launch?

Speaker 7

Is it the volume of the launch? Is it both of them? I'm just trying to kind of gauge the aggregate uncertainties.

Speaker 5

Yeah. I mean, I think it's exactly as you said, it's low steepness and the gradient of the ramp that is part of the judge given the market uncertainties right now. We're seeing the start points staying relatively fixed, and the models that are being targeted staying in place. But really the wildcard is how quickly it's going to ramp and how many deployments are going to subsequently happen after the first ramps occur. Again, we feel confident about the peak of the ramp and really assists at this point managing the gradient as we go forward.

Speaker 7

Then maybe for Mark or you, Donald, as well. On the restructuring side of things, I know it's a difficult decision to do any sort of cuts, and you didn't want to cut into muscle, as you said. But if we put it in terms of your pipeline, your backlog where you talked about that's roughly $7,000,000,000 a few quarters ago, what sort of impact are these actions going to have on that number?

Speaker 5

Very minimal. These are programs which basically we have been spending roadmap dollars on developing further, and the volumes have been somewhat disappointing, mostly based in obviously not in the ADAS space, but in the other spaces that we address in user experience. So in the short term, there'll be some NREs which disappear, are small, probably less than $1,000,000 and then some smaller impacts to the short term revenue, again somewhere in the region of 2,000,000 to $3,000,000 in the second half. But for the long term, we still expect to be able to execute on the vast, vast majority of our strategic plan board.

Speaker 7

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Anthony Stoss with Craig Hallum. Please proceed.

Speaker 8

Hey, Donald. I just wanted to clarify one thing. In the past, you were saying your goal is to be EBITDA breakeven in Q4. Now with, I guess, your breakeven being dropped to $65,000,000 in revs, do you still expect to be EBITDA breakeven in Q4? And then have

Speaker 5

follow-up. Yes.

Speaker 8

And then your $7,000,000,000 of strategic backlog, I know you don't update that until November, but I'm just curious if there's been anything that's been taken out or if you can maybe just kind of quantitatively suggest that that backlog is still growing?

Speaker 5

I mean, there's been some a few puts and takes in terms of timing and we have also called out some new wins in the prepared remarks. So, and we will update in the fourth quarter, but directionally we're still going in the right direction and adding to it as we progress.

Speaker 8

Okay. And then lastly, I heard you talk about the radar being on track. Is Fekosa still on track for kind of Q4 timeframe?

Speaker 5

The radar is still largely on track. Fekosa have some challenges with our end customers, so there's likely to be some delay in that program, but still in there.

Speaker 8

All right. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Cody Acree with The Benchmark Company. Please proceed.

Speaker 9

Yes, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. And maybe, Don, if we can start in China. You mentioned some increased competition there. Can you just talk specifically about what you're seeing in China directionally around the tariff increase environment and then maybe more specifically expand on your comments on competition?

Speaker 5

I mean, the comments on competition were directed at the OEM level, given that there's been a huge emergence of strong Chinese OEMs which have been taking share from U. S. And European manufacturers, particularly locally in China, and the export market has increased. From our perspective, we still see our products as being strongly differentiated, so we haven't seen enhanced competition from local Chinese or from other Western countries.

Speaker 9

Any comments specifically around the direction of business happening in China though?

Speaker 5

Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.

Speaker 9

Just the velocity of business in China, what's been happening recently around the tariff situation?

Speaker 5

I mean, we haven't in China has really seen direct impact. I mean, our supply chain is China for China. We deploy directly into that market. And you know, with the exception of some ups and downs over the period of Chinese New Year, I mean their trajectory is still pretty strong. You know, think a lot of BYD is a bar company who's growing like weeds right now, and are a customer of ours, which is nice.

Speaker 5

So in that respect, in spite of the challenges that the general Chinese economy has had, the car market is strong there because of their ability to gain share locally, primarily.

Speaker 9

All right. Can you just talk about your channel inventory situation, both domestically and internationally? How you're seeing any changes impact your level of visibility?

Speaker 5

There haven't been material changes in the last quarter or so that differ from the comments that we made in the past with regards to the tool. All right. Thank you, guys.

Operator

The next question comes from John Talwanting with CJS Securities. Please proceed.

Speaker 6

Thank you for taking my questions. I was wondering if you could update us on your M and A plans. You have some cash on the balance sheet. Has that opportunity set changed with the current uncertainty and volatility that's out there? Are still planning to do your market acquisitions?

Speaker 5

I mean, at this point we want to be very conservative with our balance sheet. So any initial opportunities that we've been looking at are pretty much firmly on ice for now.

Speaker 6

Understood. Thank you. And then just with the CFO situation, I was wondering if you could tell us what the plans and timeline there are before you fill that.

Speaker 5

Yeah. So I mean, so we're in the tourism search right now. We're very engaged in that. We have a few candidates that we're talking to and that we're excited about, and no firm updates on timeline right now, but we're just facing.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. And one last one for me. I think you mentioned well over $100,000,000 in incremental annualized revenue. I think from the design wins you announced in the quarter, is that what you said, was there a timeframe to that?

Speaker 5

So what I talked about was the individual product lines and the sort of annualized run rate minimum that we expect from those. We didn't specifically update this online. Okay, thank you.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I would like to turn the call back to management for closing comments.

Speaker 5

Thanks, everybody, for your time, and see you at the investor conferences over the course of the afternoon.

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation and have a

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Key Takeaways

  • In Q1, the company reported revenue of $54.1 M (up 3.3% YoY), a non-GAAP gross margin of 49.5%, non-GAAP operating loss of $15.1 M, and net loss of $16.7 M (EPS $0.08), slightly below the midpoint of guidance.
  • New U.S. auto tariffs have had minimal direct impact on Indy’s operations, but overall market sentiment is dampened by OEM production cuts and anticipated vehicle price hikes.
  • Indy secured multiple ADAS design wins for its 77 GHz radar and proprietary vision processors, with production ramps slated for H2 2025 and beyond, each portfolio expected to deliver over $100 M in incremental annual revenues.
  • A restructuring plan is underway to reduce operating expenses by $8–10 M per quarter (≈$32–40 M annually) and exit lower-margin product lines while preserving investment in core ADAS programs, aiming for breakeven at ~$65 M quarterly revenue.
  • For Q2, Indy expects revenue of $50–53 M, gross margins of 48–50%, operating expenses of $39.8 M, and net interest expense of ~$1.8 M with no cash tax expense.
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