Camtek Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. I would like to welcome all of you to Camtek's results Zoom webinar. My name is Kenny Green, and I'm part of the Investor Relations team at Camtek. All participants other than the presenters are currently muted.

Operator

Following the presentation, I will provide some instructions for participating in the live question and answer I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded, and the recording will be available on Camtek's website from tomorrow. You should you should have all received by now the company's press release. If not, please view it on the company's website. With me today on the call, have mister Rafi Amit, Camtek's CEO mister Moshe Eisenberg, Camtek's CFO and mister Ramilanga, Camtek's COO. Raffi will open by providing an overview of Camtek's results and discuss recent quarterly trends.

Operator

Moshe will then summarize the financial results of the quarter. Following that, Raffi, Moshe and Rami will be available to take your questions. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that the statements made by management on this call will contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Those statements are subject to a range of changes, risks and uncertainties that can cause actual results to vary materially. For more information regarding the risk factors that may impact Camtek's results, I would encourage you to review our earnings release and SEC filings and specifically the forward looking statements and risk factors identified in Camtek's twenty twenty four annual results PR and other such risk factors discussed in the latest annual report on Form 20 F as published on 03/21/2024.

Operator

'5, Camtek does not undertake the obligation to update those forward looking statements in light of new information or future events. Today's discussion of the financial results will be presented on a non GAAP financial basis unless otherwise specified. As a reminder, a detailed reconciliation GAAP and non GAAP financial measures and results can be found in today's earnings release. And now I'd like to hand the call over to Rafi Amin, Camtek's CEO. Rafi, please go ahead.

Rafi Amit
Rafi Amit
Chief Executive Officer and Chairman at Camtek

Okay. Thanks, Kenny. Hello, everyone. Come to conclude the first quarter with record performance. Q one revenues reached $119,000,000, reflecting a year over year increase of more than 20%.

Rafi Amit
Rafi Amit
Chief Executive Officer and Chairman at Camtek

The quarter also saw a significant improvement in gross margin, which rose to over 52%, contributing to a record operating income of over $37,000,000, a nearly 30% increase compared to the same period last year. The distribution of revenue was 45 to 50% from high performance computing applications and about 20% from other advanced packaging applications. The remaining revenue was distributed among CMOS image sensor, compound semiconductor, front end applications, and general two d applications. As OSATs began producing modules for the HPC market, it is challenging to determine which of our systems installed at OSATs were specifically intended for HPC modules versus other advanced packaging application. As a result, we are providing a range.

Rafi Amit
Rafi Amit
Chief Executive Officer and Chairman at Camtek

During the quarter, we sold system to over 35 different customers with many purchasing only one or two tools. This highlights the robustness and diversity of our business model. There is a broad consensus that the tariff policy and the geopolitical situation have created some uncertainties in the market environment. However, the tariff policy does not directly affect us in any material way as most of our sales are not targeted at The US market, and our manufacturing is based in Israel and Europe. That said, the geopolitical issues and tariff policy have been raising concern, regarding their potential negative impact on the global economy and the demand for end products containing electronic components and therefore affects visibility in our market.

Rafi Amit
Rafi Amit
Chief Executive Officer and Chairman at Camtek

Regarding the impact on Camtek business, currently, we have not seen any impact on our business in term of delays or order cancellation. We have customer base spread across different regions, and we have technological leadership and maintain competitiveness. Regarding our guidance, we continue to see strong momentum heading into the second quarter. And based on current orders, our pipeline, and ongoing customer engagement, we are guiding q two twenty twenty five revenue in the range of $120,000,000 to $123,000,000 representing approximately 18% year over year growth compared to the second quarter of twenty twenty four. In addition, we have a healthy backlog for q three and expect a solid quarter.

Rafi Amit
Rafi Amit
Chief Executive Officer and Chairman at Camtek

Regarding HPC segment, we continue to see ongoing investment in the HPC segment with different with differing momentum across regions. Some experiencing slower investment while other progress at a faster pace. Our customers, including OSAT, are constantly expanding their capacity in both coax, coax like technologies as well as HPM. Our primary growth engine for the upcoming years will be advanced packaging, particularly in high performance computing, supporting the AI applications. New technologies are expected to be introduced.

Rafi Amit
Rafi Amit
Chief Executive Officer and Chairman at Camtek

For example, HBM device maker are preparing for higher memory content as well as transition to HBM four next year. The outcome is expected to drive new tools requirements with better technical capabilities. We believe we are in a very strong competitive position supported by the successful launch of two new models, the Eagle g five and the Oak, both of which have been extremely well received and highly valued by our customers. These two models bring cutting edge technology to the market, and we expect them to account for a significant portion of our revenue this year. This is a significant milestone reflecting the strong confidence our customer have in our latest technologies.

Rafi Amit
Rafi Amit
Chief Executive Officer and Chairman at Camtek

A noteworthy example of our customers' recognition and support of our technology is the recently announced Intel Epic Supplier Aware. The Intel Epic Aware honor top performances in Intel supply chain for their commitment to epic performance, excellent partnership, inclusion, and continuous improvement. Out of thousand of Intel supplier globally, only a few hundred qualify to participate the Epic supplier program. To earn the Intel Epic supplier award, companies must not only meet but exceed Intel's highest ex expectations and achieve ambitious strategic objective that align with Intel core priorities. In conclusions, we are fully aware of the global business uncertainty, and we remain in close dialogue with our customers to continuously assess and monitor the situation.

Rafi Amit
Rafi Amit
Chief Executive Officer and Chairman at Camtek

However, I believe that Camtek diversify customer base, technological edge, and our strong market position in the advanced packaging market provide us with great resilience compared to our peers. We are a leading provider of of AOI system offering highly competitive capabilities in the advanced packaging market with with a particular focus on the fastest growing segment of the HPC. Our customer base is geopolitical diverse, and we are proud to serve over 200 active customers worldwide. The unique combination of scale and flexibility is a key reason why many customers choose to work with us over larger competitors who are offer who are often slower to respond. And now Moshe will review the financial results.

Rafi Amit
Rafi Amit
Chief Executive Officer and Chairman at Camtek

Moshe?

Moshe Eisenberg
Moshe Eisenberg
Chief Financial Officer at Camtek

Thanks, Alfie. First quarter revenues came in at a record hundred and $18,600,000, an increase of 22% compared with the first quarter of twenty twenty four. The geographic revenue split for the quarter was Asia 90 1 Percent and the rest of the world 9%. Gross profit for the quarter was $61,800,000. The gross margin for the quarter was 52.1%, an improvement from 50.6% reported both in the first quarter of last year and previous quarter.

Moshe Eisenberg
Moshe Eisenberg
Chief Financial Officer at Camtek

This is on the high end of our range supported by a favorable mix in the quarter. Operating expenses in the quarter were $24,400,000 compared to $20,200,000 in the first quarter of last year and $23,100,000 in the previous quarter. In the last few quarters, we have been increasing our r and d and sales and s g and a expenses to support the growth in revenue. Operating profit in the quarter was $37,300,000 compared to the $29,000,000 reported in the first quarter of last year and $36,300,000 in the fourth quarter. The increase is due to the increase in gross profit partially offset by the increase in operating expenses.

Moshe Eisenberg
Moshe Eisenberg
Chief Financial Officer at Camtek

Operating margin was 31.5% compared to the twenty nine point nine percent and thirty point nine percent respectively. Financial income for the quarter was $5,400,000, a decrease from the $5,600,000 reported last year and from the $6,200,000 in the previous quarter. The decrease was caused by exchange rate differences versus the US dollars. Net income in the first quarter of twenty twenty five was $38,700,000 or 79¢ per diluted share. This is compared to a net income of $31,300,000 or 64¢ per share in the first quarter of last year.

Moshe Eisenberg
Moshe Eisenberg
Chief Financial Officer at Camtek

Total diluted number of shares as of the end of the first quarter was 49,300,000.0. Turning to some high level balance sheet and cash flow metrics, we generated $23,600,000 in cash from operations Cash and cash equivalents including short and long term deposits and marketable securities as of the end of the quarter were $523,000,000. This compared with $501,000,000 at the end of the fourth quarter. Inventory level increased to $141,500,000 from 123.1.

Moshe Eisenberg
Moshe Eisenberg
Chief Financial Officer at Camtek

The increase over the quarter is mainly a result of building inventory for the two newly introduced products, the Eagle Gen five and Hawk, to support their sales in the coming quarters, which is expected to be significant. Account receivable remains stable at around hundred million dollars, which represents seventy seven days outstanding. As Rafi said before, we expect revenue of between hundred and 20 to hundred and $23,000,000 in the second quarter. And with that, Rafi, Rami, and I will be open to take your question. Kenny?

Operator

Thank you, Moshe. At this time, we'll begin the question and answer session. If you have a question, please raise your hand via the Zoom platform. I will introduce you and ask you to unmute, after which you may ask your questions. Our first question will be from Charles Hsieh of Needham.

Operator

Charles, please go ahead.

Charles Shi
Managing Director - Senior Analyst at Needham & Company

Thanks, Kenny. Good good good afternoon, Raffi, Moshe, Rami. The first question, your competitor reported not long ago, and they talked about KLA, your your your largest process control competitor, coming into their field more around the submicron defect detection. I believe it's, it's part of the two d AOI market and especially around HPC type of applications. Do you or do you not worry about larger competitors like KOA coming after your market, especially three d metrology.

Charles Shi
Managing Director - Senior Analyst at Needham & Company

We'll lot oh, we'd love to hear some of your insights. Thank you. Rami, could you

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

Yeah.

Charles Shi
Managing Director - Senior Analyst at Needham & Company

Start?

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

Yes. I will I will address it. So hi, Charles, and thank you for the question.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

And, you know, we've already engaged with KLA on multiple occasions and have consistently demonstrated that our systems are highly competitive. The advanced packaging is a highly dynamic market and demands equipment customizations, and I would say very rapid responsiveness. We are Camtek is a mid sized company, and as such, it is well positioned to better meet the specific requirements of this unique market. On top of it, our latest products, the Hawk and the Eagle g five, offer competitive advantages, and we are confident in our ability to continue and expand our business and market share in this in in facing the competition coming from KLE. And I would I wanna summarize it again.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

You know, we have a unique combination of scale and flexibility that is a key reason why many customers choose to work with us over the large competitors who are often slower to respond.

Charles Shi
Managing Director - Senior Analyst at Needham & Company

Thank you, Rami. A another question. Raffi, I think you talked about h b m four, new technical requirement. Wanna ask you or or anyone on on your team, how do you think about the product positioning in h b m four? Is because you have two new products, Eagle g five versus Hawk.

Charles Shi
Managing Director - Senior Analyst at Needham & Company

And as I understand, the ASP throughput are very different between those two platforms. And and and more importantly, I think going to HBM four as you your customers look to, I mean, either upgrade the technology, expand capacity, do you think they're gonna, they're gonna lean towards buying new tools from you, especially the new platforms, or do you provide a potentially upgrade path for them to maybe upgrade your the the existing, install base to really, meet the new technical requirement? Thank you.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So so you know, Charles, people here buy new equipment. They don't tend to upgrade the current equipment. But I think we are in a very good position. No doubt, some customers will want the Hawk in order to provide the best possible performance and specifically throughput at a lower footprint. That's definitely an advantage and one of the reasons we developed the Hawk.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So I think there will be a combination of those customers for specific applications that will take the Hawk. While I think the Eagle with its, you know, very large installed base in this market, I believe some of the customers will still wanna go with the new versions of the of the Eagle. So I think this even puts us in a much better position compared with our competitors that we are here really with multiple selections or multiple products approach as we enter this market.

Charles Shi
Managing Director - Senior Analyst at Needham & Company

Thank you. Maybe lastly, do wanna this this every quarter, I I think some of us gonna ask this question. HPC revenue, 45 to 50% of the total revenue in q one. What's the what's the current view for the full year? How much will HPC account for the total revenue for the on on on the full year basis based on the current outlook right now?

Charles Shi
Managing Director - Senior Analyst at Needham & Company

Thank you.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So you know, it's very hard to talk, you know, how look. But at least in the foreseeable future, I think we'll be in a similar range. You know, this can differ from a quarter to quarter. It's really based on on shipments. But overall, the HPC continues to be a strong segment of us, and we see the the growth potential, and and there's no further comments on it.

Charles Shi
Managing Director - Senior Analyst at Needham & Company

Thanks.

Operator

Thanks. Thanks, Charles. Our next question is gonna be from from Matt Prisco from Cantor Fitzgerald. Matt, you may go ahead and talk.

Matthew Prisco
Director at Cantor Fitzgerald

Guys, thanks for taking the question. So with the healthy backlog that you outlined in 3Q, how are you now thinking about growth overall into the back half of the year? And can can you maybe walk us through the primary puts and takes you're thinking through today and perhaps what type of visibility you have from customers at this point? Thanks.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So I think we we we said it very clearly in our prepared notes, and then I want to be able to share more like but, you know, we we gave the guidance of increased revenues in the second quarter. There, obviously, we we we really understand where the business is going to. As we go into the third quarter, we see a solid business as well, the backlog, the pipeline, and so so we feel very comfortable about this as well. To go beyond that, it is very hard in our business, and we will be in a better position to discuss the fourth quarter, I believe, in a couple of months.

Matthew Prisco
Director at Cantor Fitzgerald

Thank you. And then maybe an an update on where you stand on your new products. It sounds like you're calling for now significant revenue in 2025. Sounds like a little more than than three months ago, and you're talking tens of millions outlined previously. So, I guess, what has what has changed versus three months ago there?

Matthew Prisco
Director at Cantor Fitzgerald

Can you talk about any new orders, customer feedback, new applications that may be opening? Any additional color would be great.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

Thank you. So so definitely on on this, on the new products aspect, definitely, we have a lot of good news. I think we're seeing performance as we expected from the new machines. They're really meeting exactly the specification in certain cases even you know, do even better than what we expected. So, yes, customers are are continuing to order.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

We've received more orders for both products. And I think on the g five, definitely, it provided us a few advantages over the competition in areas that we fall we felt that we were not strong enough. And and and I think the market is reacting very, very positively for it. And specific applications, we're able to take more business than we expected previously. And on the hook, yes, it's gone through application and through the evaluations.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

We got excellent feedback from our customers. We got orders, and we are shipping them. And as we said, it will be significant revenues in this year for both product lines. Both product lines will will produce significant revenues, and that's definitely a great result. And, you know, we chose also what we discussed a quarter ago that our customers have confidence in products that we bring to the market, and we definitely are showing it.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

And we we're shipping those products as we speak.

Moshe Eisenberg
Moshe Eisenberg
Chief Financial Officer at Camtek

Thank you.

Operator

Thanks, Matt. Our next question is from Tom O'Malley from Barclays. Tom, you may go ahead and ask.

Kyle Bleustein
Kyle Bleustein
Equity Analyst at Barclays

Guys, this is Kyle Buschin on for Tom O'Malley. Thank you for taking our question. So on the gross margin front, you guys talked about hitting a higher point with, new with new mix. Can you kind of talk about some of the puts and takes going forward and especially as you ramp these new product lines, when you expect them to be accretive to margins and kind of how that shapes through the year?

Moshe Eisenberg
Moshe Eisenberg
Chief Financial Officer at Camtek

Okay. So, you know, we we've mentioned in the in the prepared remarks that the the gross margin improvement is a result of the product mix. You know, we expect next quarter to be within the 51 to 52% range as well. And as we are starting to ship more and more units from the new product, both the gen the g five and the the Hawk, this will have a positive contribution to the gross margin gradually. So we expect to see a more significant improvement to the gross margin only next year, but still, you know, we are definitely on the high end of the gross margin level.

Kyle Bleustein
Kyle Bleustein
Equity Analyst at Barclays

Very helpful. Thank you. And then for my follow-up on the tariff point, you guys mentioned that you're not really seeing any headwinds from your business just based off of your manufacturing locations and your customer mix. On the flip side, do you guys see, like, opportunities for share gains versus some of your competitors that may be having more impacts from tariffs or uncertainty in this environment?

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

I first of all, you know, you you've seen the news. I mean, this is something that is changing every day, and I think at this case, there is a ninety days truce by truce, you know, that they decided only to go down to 10% or whatever the numbers are. So, definitely, this is something that is changing. We don't see any competitive advantage here or anything that is going to change the picture, and we are monitoring the situation.

Kyle Bleustein
Kyle Bleustein
Equity Analyst at Barclays

Thank you.

Operator

Thanks. Our next question is gonna be from Blayne Curtis of Jefferies. Blayne, please go ahead.

Blayne Curtis
Blayne Curtis
Managing Director at Jefferies Financial Group

Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to go back to HPC. I think you mentioned maybe you can talk about, HPM versus kind of COWAS outlook, And you mentioned some different geographic trends. It seems like one of the Korean customers is digesting. Is that what you're seeing?

Blayne Curtis
Blayne Curtis
Managing Director at Jefferies Financial Group

And, I guess, in HBM, are you seeing strength elsewhere?

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

Well, you know, these are two questions while I try and and and bundle them. So, obviously, you know, our expectations in in both applications, both markets are are based on discussions with customers, market analysts, and and, you know, trying and understanding where this market is going. So, you know, if I look at the HBM, definitely, there is growth going to be in in the forthcoming years. And and, you know, the application today is the is is primarily the the AI, the server based AI, which continues to fuel, you know, the the HB and DRAM needs and and also, in this case, also the Coas. But as you go down the road and you look at the longer term, there are going to be consumer devices such as AI powered laptops, smartphones.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

They're going to enter the market, And these emerging applications are still today in the early stages, but they're expected to generate substantial demand in the longer term. Now then so this is one aspect. Then there is the the transition for HBM three to HBM four. Now this brings additional opportunities with more inspection and metrology steps in the manufacturing process. And when you look at the HBM in '27, there is going to be a major change in the density of the memory.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

Again, that's gonna be a very big opportunity for added capacity. And I think on the COAS, the good news, and I see I think as we said, as Rafi said in the prepared notes, there is the move from, you know, today, the the main foundries that dominates the the COAS capacity to the OSATs. We're already getting business from OSATs that are doing similar technologies. So, definitely, both of these applications are tied together. We are very optimistic about this market.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

And I wanna say something specifically about the HBM. We're shipping tools to HBM for three d metrology and two d inspection in '25, and we're expecting to ship in '26 as well. So so all in all, the two the, you know, the the the building blocks of the HPC are both healthy. Of course, you know, it's early it's it's too early enough to talk about the growth rates every year. But if we look at the long term, both segments are going to grow significantly over the over the foreseeable future.

Blayne Curtis
Blayne Curtis
Managing Director at Jefferies Financial Group

Thanks for that. And then maybe I wanted to ask about the trends outside of advanced packaging. I guess if I did the math right, it seems like in the March, it was up 20%. Can you maybe just talk about where you're seeing strengths and kind of your outlook as you look to the June?

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So if if we look outside of just the, you know, 45 to 50%, so definitely there is the advanced packaging, and that's anywhere between 15 to 20% additional business. And this goes to the conventional applications. And, you know, if it is fan out, that's still a strong a strong market. And there are other applications from bump inspection and so forth. So these are applications that will continue to grow, and no doubt this is a business we're going to enjoy in the foreseeable future.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

And then there is something 35%, what I call two d applications, and it goes from general two d application to front end, still compound semi, and even got some, you know, a bit of CMOS image sensors. That's a business that they sort of picking up a little bit this year. So if you wanna look and I wanna talk a little bit as we've spoken in previous quarters, As you can see, our two d business is very, very strong. And don't forget that out of the 70% of the, what we call, advanced packaging, a lot of it is inspection. So overall, our inspection business is much larger than our three d metrology business.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So that I would give you a little bit and and overall about the entire business, and I believe that the next quarter will be similar.

Blayne Curtis
Blayne Curtis
Managing Director at Jefferies Financial Group

Thanks so much.

Operator

Thanks. Our next question will be from Brian Chen of Stifel. Brian, please go ahead.

Brian Chin
Brian Chin
Director at Stifel Financial Corp

Thanks. Good afternoon. Thanks for letting us ask a few questions. Maybe first question, just to clarify, the solid quarter in respect to third quarter mean flat or higher sequential revenue? And then also following up on the last few questions, is the company expecting year over year improvement in logic or CoAOS revenue in 2025?

Brian Chin
Brian Chin
Director at Stifel Financial Corp

And what portion of your HPC advanced packaging revenue is likely to be CoAOS versus HBM this year?

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So let's start from the end and and go backwards. So first of all, we we we we don't we don't give details exactly how much the HBM versus the Coas. This is changing from quarter to quarter, and we just provide the overall number for high performance computing. But both, as I said in my previous remarks, both segments are healthy. As to the revenues from '25, the overall revenues, when we are talking 45 to 50%, obviously, this is on increased revenues compared to last year.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So, you know, we will need to see how much is q four coming out, the final, in order to give the numbers. But at least at this stage, the business is higher than was in '25. But, obviously, we need to see in '24. As we move forward, we will be able to give you more information. And definitely in q three, you asked the question.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

I think it is too early in the game to say exactly how it will be compared to q two. As we said, it is solid. We have building the the backlog. We have the the pipeline in place, and so this is very positive. But to give numbers, we will only provide them at the end of the next quarter.

Brian Chin
Brian Chin
Director at Stifel Financial Corp

Okay. Fair enough. And then just quickly for maybe the follow-up. I think, Rami, when you spoke about change in HBM density in 2027, are you specifically referring to hybrid bonding? And how would you assess the competitive landscape in Camtek's positioning once that transition occurs?

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

No. No. I'm I'm referring to something totally different. If you look at the density of the HBM compared for a GPU, so it's the today, it's about 2,288 gigabyte. It's it's supposed to go to be closer to terabyte.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So this is from the internal what the NVIDIA GPU will require in order to run optimally. So so the memory that is gonna be required in 27 is gonna be significantly higher that is currently being used. So this is nothing to do with the manufacturing process. Regarding hybrid bonding, so as we said in previous calls, I don't think it will be it it will take some time until we should see hybrid bonding in our markets in very high volumes. But once it is here, we see that as an opportunity.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

We are already supplying machines to to pilot lines. We we we are going to be part of this application, and there are many steps doing hybrid bonding that I think that we're gonna do both in inspection and metrology.

Brian Chin
Brian Chin
Director at Stifel Financial Corp

K. Thank you.

Operator

Thanks, Brian. Our next question is from Gus Richard of Northland. Gus, you may go ahead and ask.

Gus Richard
MD & Senior Research Analyst at Northland Capital Markets

Yes. Thanks for fitting me in. I was hoping you could give us an idea of what, you know, what your market share in HPC was from, say, last year and maybe a few years before and what what the trajectory has been?

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

It's a very hard question, Gus. I can I don't know the number? I if I load it, I think in most of the cases that I can just recall from the top of my head, I think we've maintained the market or have grown it by going into more and more, I would say, two d applications. So I I think we are on a positive trajectory in in this market. And I think when we move to the OSATs, I think this trajectory will be even more positive as we shall be doing both the three d metrology and a lot of the inspection steps.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So looking forward, as I said and I referred to the competition coming with KLA, I think we have a very, very strong market position. We are leveraging a very strong very, very strong position in the three d metrology into the inspection portion, and I think we will continue to leverage it and increase our market share as we go along. I definitely yes. It is competitive. I think we are very well positioned from all the different reasons that we discussed earlier.

Gus Richard
MD & Senior Research Analyst at Northland Capital Markets

Got it. That was helpful. Thank you. And then, you know, this is sort of when I think about you getting designed into a a line, when a customer makes a decision, a tool decision, you know, are you getting designed into a full line? Is it specific applications in or or is it a generational decision where, you know, you know, how do customers split the mix between yourself and and other other vendors in the market?

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

I think that when they design they start to design the initial one, for the buying reasons, they usually start with certain applications, but they they know what you can do. And from what I see our customer, it's evolving. And I think one of the reason that we're successful that our customers know that if there is a new application, even that the machine did not exactly was designed and need some upgrades or changes or upgrades, we will be there to support them. And I think this is a major part in the in the purchasing decisions that the customer makes when he understands there are a lot of unknowns. So I think from that point of view, I think it's a plus on our side.

Gus Richard
MD & Senior Research Analyst at Northland Capital Markets

Got it. And that's it for me. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, Gus. Thanks, Gus. Our next question is from from Craig Ellis of B. Riley. Craig, please go ahead and ask your question.

Craig Ellis
Director of Research at B Riley Financial

Yeah. Thanks for taking the question, and good afternoon, team. I I wanted to start out just understanding how order intensity and dynamics are tracking as we look at what transpired in one q and and how things are trending two q to date. And and with regard to order dynamics, as as you look at what's coming in, how much of orders are are coming in more on a turns basis for current quarter versus pipelining out to help that solid three q or even beyond that into four q?

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So there is some uncertainty in the market. And as usual, during such times, customers are more cautious to release POs well in advance. Now it's it's too early to say if this will have any impact on our business, especially given the latest news about the tariff discussions. In any event, when I look at the situation, we have not experienced any material impact on our business in terms of delays or all the cancellations. So I would say this describes the situation currently.

Craig Ellis
Director of Research at B Riley Financial

Got it. Thank you, Rami. And then the second question is really related to the target revenue level that the company has had for some time, 500,000,000. So if we annualize guidance, it looks like we're within about 3% of that. So congratulations on all the progress made over the last year or two in that regard.

Craig Ellis
Director of Research at B Riley Financial

But the question, team, is more about how you're setting the sides and where you're setting the sides for your your team as we look out to 2026 and 2027. How should investors and analysts think about the level of revenue that's possible for the business at this point with the 500,000,000 target now getting so close? And and any color on specific drivers or or dynamics like that that we would get to higher levels of attainment?

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So I I I think there are two aspects for it. The I would say the more a little bit longer term and things that are up to us, We have spent over the last year a lot of efforts in building the infrastructure to manufacture over $500,000,000 in terms of clean rooms here and also in, in Germany. So so from the capability to manufacture from all the different aspects, we're ready. Now on top of it, we've introduced two product two new product lines, the g five and the hop that we spoke a lot about. And you can see that within one year of the introduction, we are going to to to achieve significant revenues of these two products, and these two products open to us applications that we couldn't do before.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So, actually, what we have done, if you take from the from the inspection and metrology equipment we have made in here, our the Eagle and the Hawk are going to be able to address more applications, and, definitely, we can see ourselves growing the business into new applications. And on top of that, we have the acquisition we made at FRT that is also going very well, getting into new applications, doing things that we couldn't do before, and also and this is very nicely tied into our current business. So if I look at the things that we have achieved that I just discussed, I think from a business point of view, we're no doubt positioned to pass this milestone and and and further improve significantly business over the 500,000,000 milestones. And maybe, Rafi, you want to add something.

Rafi Amit
Rafi Amit
Chief Executive Officer and Chairman at Camtek

No. The the target of 500,000,000 definitely is a target that we will execute. As we always said, it it it may take, you know, half year, one year, two years, but it's definite definitely depend on the market condition. And assuming the WFE grow and the demand for equipment growth, we we definitely can achieve it because we we maintain our market share. We increase our market share.

Rafi Amit
Rafi Amit
Chief Executive Officer and Chairman at Camtek

We haven't lost any market share yet. So so in this position, it's just a matter of the semiconductor growth rate, specifically in the advanced packaging and other application that we are a leading provider.

Craig Ellis
Director of Research at B Riley Financial

A good position to be in indeed, Raffi. And if I could ask a follow-up to that, You're always extremely helpful in commenting on strategic matters, and the business is doing a great job generating cash. And we're at 520 ish million in cash and equivalents, 320,000,000 net debt. The question is, how are you thinking about inorganic growth, which you've executed well in the past? Is the team working on a funnel now?

Craig Ellis
Director of Research at B Riley Financial

To what extent could something be actionable? Help us understand how you're thinking about inorganic avenues to grow the business. Thank you.

Rafi Amit
Rafi Amit
Chief Executive Officer and Chairman at Camtek

First of all, you know, we maintain and we put a lot of focus on on all the opportunity in the organic growth. We made one acquisition, and this acquisition also performed nicely and maintain our expectation. So so this is going well. We continue working on additional, I mean, acquisition. But probably, you you know, it's not it's not a secret.

Rafi Amit
Rafi Amit
Chief Executive Officer and Chairman at Camtek

It's not not so many companies that the semiconductor are are for acquisition or for acquiring. So we continue looking for that, and maybe, hopefully, we can do something. But but without considering the acquisition, we believe we can achieve the 500,000,000 target within the the this year, the next year, very soon. As I said, as long as the the market condition remains stable, we we have no any insurance for, you know, any big crisis. So so if the the you know, as all the analysts expecting that the the semiconductor grows over, you know, by the end of the decade to to come to trillion, And, definitely, we can we can do it.

Rafi Amit
Rafi Amit
Chief Executive Officer and Chairman at Camtek

We can do it. As I said, we are we are maintaining very good market share. We increase our market share, and we have very good relationship with customer so we can continue organically grow. Addition to that, hopefully, we can add with organic, with with any acquisition that we will execute, it will be over this number.

Craig Ellis
Director of Research at B Riley Financial

Thanks, Rafi. Thanks, team.

Operator

Thank you. Thanks, Craig. Next question will be from Vivek Arya from Bank of America. Vivek, please go ahead.

Michael Mani
Michael Mani
Equity Research Associate at Bank of America

This is Michael Mani on for Vivek Arya. Thank you for taking our questions. To start, I know the company has been talking about TSMC's clean room capacity constraints and, how that could be a gating factor to the business, in the near term to medium term. So on that front, has the company seen any improvement, in those constraints?

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So I at least what I hear, I don't think there are any constraints now on our customer side to increase the capacity. I don't think this is an issue.

Operator

Did you Any further questions? Enough. Let me just find Vivek again. We lost him for a sec.

Moshe Eisenberg
Moshe Eisenberg
Chief Financial Officer at Camtek

Just together. Okay.

Operator

Vivek, are you still there?

Vivek Arya
Vivek Arya
Managing Director at Bank of America

Yep.

Operator

Veck, you're muted.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So let's go to I'm sorry.

Vivek Arya
Vivek Arya
Managing Director at Bank of America

Can you hear me?

Operator

Yeah. We can hear you.

Vivek Arya
Vivek Arya
Managing Director at Bank of America

Sorry

Vivek Arya
Vivek Arya
Managing Director at Bank of America

about that. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. My system mute itself.

Vivek Arya
Vivek Arya
Managing Director at Bank of America

Yeah. Okay. Thank you for that, clarification. And then for my next question, you know, you've talked about your COAS opportunity expanding to the OSATs. But as we think about the progression of COAS to, you know, more advanced variations, like, you know, COASS l, for example, you know, how does that, how does that impact your opportunity?

Vivek Arya
Vivek Arya
Managing Director at Bank of America

And if you could type that back specifically to, you know, where your HAWK tool may be seen greater traction, that would be great too. Thank you.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So so first of all, the Coas ale brings to us additional steps and the opportunities. So from our point of view, the the new variation of Coas are good news. And and so this is from from the variations. From the OSAT's point of view, they will add capacity, and they will start with a certain version and move to other versions. Some of them have their specific technologies that is similar to CoAs.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

All in all, I don't think that they they have any limitations in coming up with very competitive CoASP technologies. And I can tell you from what I see in the market, I mean, this is volume business, and we're shipping quite a few products to these OSAT. So I I think this is already happening. It's not something that will happen in the future. It's it's already happening as we speak.

Vivek Arya
Vivek Arya
Managing Director at Bank of America

Thank you. And if I could ask a quick follow-up, on your, business related to China, what should we expect, for your China business this year? You know, how much is it declining, if at all? You know, I think we've heard from some of, your peers in the space that it could be down, you know, they're seeing, their sales down, like, 10 to 20%. Is that the kinda right ballpark to think?

Vivek Arya
Vivek Arya
Managing Director at Bank of America

And are you seeing, more opportunities in that region in general as some of your peers, you know, could be faced with export restrictions and and maybe and and there might be market parts of that market they're unable to address? Thank you.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

So I you know, I it's very hard for me to say what we're getting you versus our peers. I can tell you that, historically, our business in in in China was was strong, and it continues to be strong. You know, we we have won very good market share at specific customer. And as Rafi alluded earlier, we have not lost any market share at any of our major customers. So I think from that point of view, our business continues to be strong.

Ramy Langer
Ramy Langer
Chief Operating Officer at Camtek

Now, Boucher, maybe you

Moshe Eisenberg
Moshe Eisenberg
Chief Financial Officer at Camtek

can refer to We we we don't see it. At this point, we definitely don't see any any weakness in this region. The business, you know, still looks healthy in the next, you know, few quarters ahead. Mike?

Vivek Arya
Vivek Arya
Managing Director at Bank of America

Thank you. That answers all my questions.

Operator

Thank you. Alright. Thanks, Mike. Okay. Well, that will end the question and answer session.

Operator

Before I hand, back over to Rappi for his closing statements, I would like to let everyone know that in the few next few hours, we will upload the recording of the conference call to the Investor Relations section of Camtek's website at camtek.com. And I would like to thank everybody for joining this call. And with that, Raffi, please, please with your closing statement.

Rafi Amit
Rafi Amit
Chief Executive Officer and Chairman at Camtek

Okay. I would like to extend my sincere gratitude to all of you for your continued interest in our business. A special thanks a special thanks goes to our dedicated employees and outstanding management team for their tremendous performance. To our investor, I deeply appreciate your ongoing long term support. I look forward to speaking with you again next quarter.

Executives
    • Rafi Amit
      Rafi Amit
      Chief Executive Officer and Chairman
    • Moshe Eisenberg
      Moshe Eisenberg
      Chief Financial Officer
    • Ramy Langer
      Ramy Langer
      Chief Operating Officer
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Key Takeaways

  • Camtek delivered a record Q1 with revenues of $119 million (+20% YoY), a gross margin above 52% and operating income of $37 million (+30% YoY).
  • Revenue was diversified across 35+ customers: 45–50% from high-performance computing, ~20% from advanced packaging and the balance from CMOS image sensors, compound semiconductors, front-end and 2D applications.
  • The company issued Q2 guidance of $120–123 million in revenue (≈18% YoY growth) and noted a healthy backlog positioning it for a solid Q3.
  • New flagship tools, the Eagle G5 and Hawk, have been “extremely well received” and are expected to contribute a significant portion of 2024 revenue.
  • Despite tariff and geopolitical uncertainties, Camtek reported no material impact on orders or cancellations, citing non-US sales and manufacturing in Israel and Europe.
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