LiqTech International Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • 36% sequential revenue growth to $4.6 million in Q1 driven by a record commercial order of PureFlow mobile units for oil & gas produced water, with Q2 guidance of $4.8–5.2 million.
  • China joint venture officially opened in April, secured first marine scrubber orders in 1.5 years, gained supplier approval from a leading marine engine manufacturer, and signed a framework for after-sales support.
  • Multiple pilot programs for lithium brine extraction pretreatment and produced water treatment with industry leaders have been extended, reflecting strong performance and paving the way for commercial projects.
  • Cost-saving initiatives and better manufacturing utilization are expected to improve gross margins and lower the quarterly breakeven target to $5.5–6.0 million from $6.5–7.0 million.
  • Diversified segment momentum includes a rebound in DPF and ceramic membrane orders, growth in swimming pool systems aided by a new U.S. distribution deal, and year-over-year plastics revenue gains.
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Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Lichtank International Reports First Quarter twenty twenty five Financial Results Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Robert Blum with Lithium Partners. Please go ahead.

Robert Blum
Managing Partner at Lytham Partners

All right. Thank you very much, Jason, and good morning, everyone. Thank you all for joining us today to discuss Lictech International's first quarter twenty twenty five financial results for the period ended 03/31/2025. Joining us on today's call from the company are Fei Chen, Chief Executive Officer and David Kowalczyk, the company's Chief Financial and Chief Operating Officer. Before I turn the call over to management, let me remind listeners that there will be an open Q and A session at the end of the call.

Robert Blum
Managing Partner at Lytham Partners

If you are listening through the webcast portal and would like to ask a question, you can submit your question through the Ask a Question feature in the webcast player. Before we begin with prepared remarks, you submit for the record the following statements. This conference call may contain forward looking statements. Although the forward looking statements reflect the good faith and judgment of management, forward looking statements are inherently subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause future results actual results to be materially from those discussed during the conference call. The company therefore urges all listeners to carefully review and consider the various disclosures made in the reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including risk factors that attempt to advise interested parties of risks that may affect our business, financial condition, operations and cash flows.

Robert Blum
Managing Partner at Lytham Partners

If one or more of these risks or uncertainties materialize or if the underlying assumptions prove incorrect, the company's actual results may vary materially from those expected or projected. The company therefore encourages all listeners not to place undue reliance on these forward looking statements, which pertain only as of this date and the date of the release and conference call. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward looking statements to reflect any events or circumstances that may arise after the date of this release and conference call. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Fei Chen, CEO of Lectech International. Fei, please proceed.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

Thank you, Robert, and good day to everyone on the call. At a high level, the results of the fourth quarter came in came in line with expectations we provided the previous quarter, with revenue growing 36% sequentially to $4,600,000 led primarily by the successful delivery of a record commercial order of our pure flow mobile units to the oil and the gas industry. This order was a key milestone for LiqTech that further validates how our highly specialized filtration solutions can benefit the global energy industry. Beyond the oil and gas segment, we have also made progress on a number of other initiatives we have set forth these past few quarters, including our joint venture in China, which officially had its grand opening in April. Following the grand opening, we received our first new marine scrubber orders in more than one point five years and entered into a new framework agreement for after sales support, which has already gained traction.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

It is great to see the immediate progress made in China. The other key high level comment I will make is that we are seeing nice progress made with key pilot units currently deployed in a variety of addressable end markets, including one for lithium brine extraction pretreatment in The U. S. And the unit was one of the world's leading integrated energy companies for oil and gas water treatment. Both rental based agreements have recently been extended with expanded scopes.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

The progress I just mentioned, coupled with relative strength across a variety of our key products and the market verticals, such as a ramp up in DPF order intakes, increase in swimming pool systems order and the growth in our plastic division are all expected to drive revenue growth. As you can see from our outlook, revenue for the second quarter is expected to show continued sequential growth from Q1 estimated to be within the range of $4,800,000 to $5,200,000 Beyond revenue growth, however, our focus is on bottom line profitability with a better manufacturing utilization that should drive improved gross margins and the full effect of our recent cost saving initiatives implemented during the past few months. We are expected to further improve our profitability metrics in Q2 as well. So the high level summary, improved sequential revenue growth in Q1 of 36%, led by the record commercial oil and gas delivery. Real progress made in China from our joint venture, which we think will continue to expand improved order flow from DPFs, swimming pools and the plastics implementations of cost saving initiatives aimed at lowering our breakeven rate and the Q2 guidance of $4.8 to 5,200,000.0 Transitioning back to the record oil and gas order.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

This truly was a milestone order and delivery for us. It started about a year ago when we signed a distribution agreement in February 2024 with Risobec Direct and sequentially secured an order for a containerized pilot system for produced water treatment, which was promptly delivered and performed successfully at the customer side throughout the second half of twenty twenty four. The success of this pilot program paved the way for a record breaking commercial order. The order shifted during Q1, which is when we recognized revenue. The units are expected to be installed at the customer site in U.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

S. In the June or July time frame for produced water treatment. Once we got the commercial grade system up and running, it will help serve as an additional reference for prospective customers. Where some customers might still choose to have their own pilot programs, This commercial scale operational unit should help shorten the path to future orders. To that end, we continue to make progress with multiple pilot projects underway that leverage our proprietary technology to address some of the most demanding environments.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

As the history of progress with RisoBank Direct, we've seen The U. S. Oil and gas industry highlighted, the first steps to new application success with our filtration systems often starts with a pilot lever program. Currently, we have multiple systems at the various phases of testing and piloting, including a pilot unit from a leading technology company, the lithium brine production in The U. S.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

We announced it in November. It has recently been extended once again with an expanded scope to get data for commercial level design. The customer is very satisfied with the performance to date, and we look forward to potential next steps with this customer. We also have a pilot unit with one of the world's leading integrated energy companies for produced water treatment in The U. S, which was shifted in Q3 of last year.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

Similar to the lithium brand system, the unit has demonstrated superior performance, and the customer has extended the rental period to collect additional performance data. Very recently, Resubac Direct has rent a pilot unit to explore various applications for our UF filtration system since they have experienced strong interest from customers. We look forward to the continued execution on our multiple pilots and the opportunities it could lead to for us in the future. Let's transition for a moment to our China JV, where there is a number of activities happening, which included our official grand opening ceremony in Shanghai in April. Taking a step back, we initially established the JV in November of last year.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

We are the majority owner of the JV contributing our pioneering marine water treatment solutions where Dirtree is the minority owner and is contributing facilities, local support and with the initial operational and the commercial funding. In February, we achieved an important operational step when we received supplier approval for our water treatment system for the WindGD iSho technology. For those not familiar, Wind City is one of the marked leaders in marine engine manufacturing with a focus on advancing the decarbonization of marine transportation. This supplier approval allows us to seamlessly deliver systems to Windy D, its licensees and authorized service partners. We commenced a pilot test for our marine water treatment solution for the Wind ICER system, which was successfully carried out in China in March.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

We are now in close dialogue with relevant stakeholders for commercial projects integrating into the Wenzhi D ice water system. Separately in China, we received an order for two marine scrubber water treatment units at Shanghai Xiao Environmental Technologies Company. The units are scheduled to be delivered in November 2025 and February 2026. It's a small initial step, but certainly nice to see the orders coming in after one point five years' NPT period for the marine scrubber market. In connection with the grand opening ceremony, we also entered into a new framework agreement for after sales support for the marine scrubber market, which has already gained traction.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

Service of our existing units in the field and the maintenance revenue associated with it has always been a key initiative for us, and this is another step in further capturing this profit opportunity. In summary, we see a lot of positive progress in China with 80% of the global shipping building market and the numerous retrofit applications taking place to move towards cleaner, fewer applications. China is expected to be a strong growth market for our marine water treatment solutions in the years to come. Before I turn it over to David, let me quickly touch on a few other key markets with a brief update. First, within the swimming pool market, we shipped two systems during Q1 and have another three systems set to ship here in Q2.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

Recently, we also signed a distribution agreement with NAF Aquatics in New Jersey for the sales and distribution of the Liptic Tour systems in The U. S. NAF Aquatics holds a strong market position in The U. S, particularly in the Northeast, with decades of expert experience and a broad network of local experts, which should lead to them being an ideal partner for us as we expand in The U. S.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

Certainly, swimming pools will remain a key contributor and I look forward to more progress made here. Transitioning to other parts of our established markets, starting with DTFs and ceramic membranes, where sales during Q1 was about $1,000,000 which was similar to what they were in Q4 of twenty twenty four, but down quite a bit from the year ago period when we had a few large orders. We are seeing a nice uptick in orders here in the second quarter. Within plastics, we saw a nice uptick during Q1 with revenue of almost $1,000,000 which was up year over year and sequentially. The Plastics team continues to do a great job differentiating itself and is generally outperforming our expectation.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

As we look at the second quarter, our expectation is for revenue of 4,800,000.0 to $5,200,000 The revenue breakdown will be a little more diversified than it was during Q1, which benefited from the large commercial oil and gas order. We expect to see growth in revenue from the pilot unit rentals, growth in swimming pool, growth in DPFs and ceramic membranes, growth in plastics and increased contribution from our aftermarket sales. We are less dependent in Q2 on any one or two large orders to achieve our stated objectives. With nice rebound across our various product lines, it should serve as a nice potential springboard as new large systems come onboard. Let me now turn the call over to David to review the financials in more details.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

I will then make a few closing comments and then look to open the call for your questions.

David Kowalczyk
David Kowalczyk
CFO & COO at LiqTech International

Thank you, Fei, and good day, everyone. Let me take some time diving into the financial results in a bit more detail and add some color to what was in the press release. Let's start with revenue. Revenue for the quarter came in at 4,600,000.0 up from $4,200,000 in the year ago first quarter and up from $3,400,000 in the sequential fourth quarter. Broken down by verticals, sales for the first quarter were as follows: Water Systems sales and related services of $2,700,000 compared to $1,500,000 in the same period last year and up from $1,400,000 in Q4.

David Kowalczyk
David Kowalczyk
CFO & COO at LiqTech International

DPF and ceramic membrane sales were $1,000,000 down from $1,800,000 in Q1 last year and down slightly compared to $1,100,000 in Q4. And finally, the plastics revenue came in at $1,000,000 compared to $900,000 in Q1 last year and $900,000 in Q4. Key takeaways for the quarter include: strong sequential and year over year improvements in water systems driven by our record commercial oil and gas order and multiple ongoing pilot programs continued growth in plastics the stabilization of DPF and ceramic membrane sequentially, but well off the year ago quarter, which included a few larger deliveries. Looking ahead to Q2 of twenty twenty five, and as Fate mentioned, we anticipate revenue to be between $4,800,000 and $5,200,000 which would equate to a 4% to 13% sequential increase from Q1 twenty twenty five and a 7% to 16% increase year over year. Turning to gross margin.

David Kowalczyk
David Kowalczyk
CFO & COO at LiqTech International

As we continue to be below our optimal revenue level, we continue to have fixed production costs that are not fully absorbed and those lower than normalized gross margin. For the first quarter, gross margin was 2.7% compared to 6.4% in the year ago period. Remember that gross margins were negative during the sequential fourth quarter. We have previously reported on a contribution margin basis, which excludes the impact from our fixed overhead. This margin for the quarter was significantly higher.

David Kowalczyk
David Kowalczyk
CFO & COO at LiqTech International

We expect through 2025 to see the gap between gross margin and contribution margin to narrow, driven by cost improvements and volume growth. For our delivered PureFlow system, in Q4, we realized a fair margin in light of this being our first full scale commercial order. Going forward, we expect significant improvements as one time startup costs and design costs will be much lower. Turning to OpEx. Total operating expenses for the quarter were $2,300,000 compared to $2,300,000 in Q1 of last year and compared to $2,200,000 in Q4 of twenty twenty four.

David Kowalczyk
David Kowalczyk
CFO & COO at LiqTech International

A couple of items to note here. General administrative and administrative expenses was down about $180,000 while SG and A was up about $200,000 The increase in SG and A was positively attributable to cost associated with a newly formed joint venture in China and reversal of bonus accruals in first quarter twenty twenty four, lowering cost last year. We incurred about $60,000 in expenses pertaining to start up and running of the pilot in China. We believe this will be recouped given the orders we have already come from here. In Q1 twenty twenty five, we also incurred costs in relation to resizing the organization and building competencies to secure future growth.

David Kowalczyk
David Kowalczyk
CFO & COO at LiqTech International

Also, as you will note on the balance sheet, our JV partner put $1,200,000 of cash into the JV, which is then recognized on our consolidated balance sheet. The increase in cash is then associated with a corresponding loan from a related party of $1,200,000 This loan can be repaid in cash or equity when or if the joint venture will need future equity financing. What option to choose is the choice of Lictech. As we look to the future, we have now fully implemented the comprehensive cost reduction strategy aimed at lowering our breakeven breakeven target measured on an adjusted EBITDA basis. This is now a quarterly revenue level of 5,500,000.0 to $6,000,000 a significant improvement from the previous target of 6,500,000.0 to 7,000,000 Concluding on the P and L, net loss was $2,400,000 for the quarter compared to $2,400,000 for the comparable period of 2024.

David Kowalczyk
David Kowalczyk
CFO & COO at LiqTech International

And finally, from a cash flow perspective, we ended the quarter with $10,500,000 in cash, which compares to $10,900,000 at the December. We touched already on the cash infusion from the joint venture, but one other item I thought I would call out on the balance sheet was the increase in our accounts receivables. With a large order and oil and gas system shipped out in late Q1, that caused an increase in our accounts receivable from $2,400,000 in December to $3,400,000 in March. This amount will be collected in the coming months. Everything else was pretty much in line with our normal operating procedures from a balance sheet perspective.

David Kowalczyk
David Kowalczyk
CFO & COO at LiqTech International

With revenue growth expected in Q2 and throughout 2025 as a whole, which should drive improved operating leverage. Given our largely fixed production cost base and supported by the cost reductions we have implemented, we expect to see a significant improvement in cash utilization in 2025 with our ultimate goal to surpass the 5,500,000.0 to $6,000,000 quarterly revenue breakeven amount. With that, let me turn it back to Fay.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

Thank you, David. To close things out before I turn it over to the questions, let me just recap a few key points. First, we are gaining traction within key end markets, particularly oil and gas. The record commercial order we received in The U. S.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

Coupled with an ongoing pilot program with one of the world's leading integrated energy company highlights just that. Energy operations often face significant challenges in managing water quality due to the highly variable nature of water sources. Harsh environmental conditions and the remote locations of mining sites. These factors demand solutions that are both robust and flexible. Our PureFlow mobile units are purpose built to address these challenges.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

They are fully containerized and completely automated, require minimal daily manpower as they are monitored and controlled remotely. Their mobility and the compact design make them ideal for deployment in remote areas where their weatherized construction ensures reliable operation across a wide range of climates from the frozen temperatures of Alaska to the scorching heat of Texas. Beyond oil and gas, our silicon carbon membrane technology provides unmatched durability and performance, making it an excellent choice for industry applications that demand reliability and efficiency. With the pilots and recent orders in a wide variety of applications, including lithium brine, MEG recovery, metal processing, marine scrubbers and microplastics, we are gaining traction. Financially, Q1 showed nice progress, and Q2 is expected to show further growth With improved manufacturing utilization that should drive improved gross margins and the full effect of our recent cost cutting initiatives implemented, we expect to further improve our profitability metrics.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

As I emphasized this last quarter, we remain fully aware of the importance of preserving our cash balance. We drive the business with a strong focus on sustainable cash flows generation and long term value creation. We understand the expectations of our investors and are highly committed to delivering on this objective. Again, thank everyone for your support of LEAD Tech. With that, operator, we will be happy to take any questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. And our first question comes from Lucas Ward from Ascendiant Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Analyst

Hi, this is Ruffay for Lucas Ward, Ascendiant Capital Markets. Can you talk about your order pipeline? Is it improved, deteriorated or it stayed the same since your last call on March 28?

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

Hi, Lucas. It's nice to talk with you again. As you can hear, our guidance for quarter two will continue to grow. So have continued growth. So definitely, our order pipeline is improving continuously. David, do you want to say anything there, more?

David Kowalczyk
David Kowalczyk
CFO & COO at LiqTech International

Only to add that I think it's broad based. We see improvement both in marine. We see it in pool, and you can say water energy will be building momentum. That's just what I want to add.

Analyst

Great. And can you talk about which segments? You said it's broad based. So can we how do you see sales trending sequentially in Q3 and Q4 of this year?

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

I mean, as we mentioned, in Q2, we'll be kind of spreading out. Basically, all the segments is going to have contribute to the growth. And this is the picture we are going to see in Q3 and Q4. And it's really nice on top of that has one or two big projects also coming. And but basically, we see kind of a growth across all the segments, plus we have some big projects coming.

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

Thank you.

Robert Blum
Managing Partner at Lytham Partners

Jason, this is Robert Blum here. While we wait to see if there are additional questions through the live dial in, we have some questions here through the webcast. Again, I want to remind everyone on the webcast player, if you'd like to ask a question, you can type your question into the ask a question feature there on the webcast player. Fay, David, first question here. You've always had some competition in silicon carbide technology, but at least in the past it was from few Japanese companies whose target markets were very narrowly defined.

Robert Blum
Managing Partner at Lytham Partners

Is that still the case? In your target markets, do you find more competition from others also using silicon carbide? If not, why not? Is the market too small or are they behind Licht Tec technologically? So I know I probably had a few questions in there, but maybe talk about the market in general for silicon carbide technology and the competition you see out there?

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

That's a long question, Robert. Answer is very sharply. Definitely, there are competitions in the market. So we're not the only one in the market. And we don't actually see Japanese very active in the market, but we do see there are some competitors coming from France, Germany and China.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

So we have different competitors in different segments. So we are not alone. And if I take the oil and the gas segment as example, our competitors have been there before us, but they failed. So their membrane could not live up to what they promised for. So we actually come in and able to show our membrane have a much better, stable and superior performance compared to competition.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

So that was the case we have experienced. And for the swimming pool area, there's also competitions going on, but we are at least at the same level as our competitors. And the marine scrubber areas are also better. So we do experience the competition in all different application areas, but we're actually able to show we are superior in those areas, which we are really aimed at to achieve.

Robert Blum
Managing Partner at Lytham Partners

Great. Couple more questions here for you, Fei and David. Will all the cost savings initiatives be in full effect in the second quarter and what is the run rate for operating expense expected to be?

David Kowalczyk
David Kowalczyk
CFO & COO at LiqTech International

Yes, they will be And you can say running operating expenses of course always a balance between things being added and things being taken out. But we showed €2,100,000 in Q1 and then expect to be a little lower, but it's not significantly lower than net level in, yeah, we expect for the coming quarters.

Robert Blum
Managing Partner at Lytham Partners

Okay. Great. Our next question here is how much more performance data is needed for the lithium brine pilot? And the same goes for the oil and gas unit that is under a pilot as well.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

Yes. I mean, these two cases are different, right? Because the Leshan brand production, we had pretreatment there and customers were very impressed because they have tried many different pretreatment technology and we are unable to actually deliver the water qualities as they expected. So right now, the reason they extended the pilot is to gather more data in order to able to go into the next phase for the commercial project, use the data for the design and the feasibility. So we are moving ahead and very positive there.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

And for the oil and gas areas, we are close to the financing finalizing of the pilot with this world leading energy integrated companies. And we also have a very positive expectation and that we will lead to next phase discussion. So they're both actually very satisfied with our performance, and we believe very soon we will gather the data which is needed for the next phase.

Robert Blum
Managing Partner at Lytham Partners

Okay, fantastic. Final reminder here to everyone, if you're dialed in through the traditional teleconference lines, star then one to ask a question. If you're dialed or if you're listening through the webcast portal, you can type your question into the ask a question feature here. Maybe one last question here at the moment, Fei, David. For the Framework aftermarket agreement that you have here in China, is this servicing only your own systems or competitor systems as well?

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

I our focus now is to get the after sales service agreement with our the collaboration partners for all the 170 systems, which we supplied before. So this is our first step. And then we see if we want to go in further because if you want to take a competitor's system, it's too complex it's more complicated. You need to understand more about their design and so on. So our ambition definitely is we should focus on what we have delivered because there's a lot potential as to get profitable revenue. So this is what we focus right now.

Robert Blum
Managing Partner at Lytham Partners

All right. Fantastic. Hey, David, I am showing no further questions either dialed in or through the webcast portal. So at this point, I will turn it back over to you for closing remarks.

Fei Chen
Fei Chen
CEO, President & Director at LiqTech International

Yes. Thank you, Robert. I just want to say thank you all very much for being with us today. We look forward to communicating with you soon again. Thank you.

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

Executives
    • Fei Chen
      Fei Chen
      CEO, President & Director
    • David Kowalczyk
      David Kowalczyk
      CFO & COO
Analysts
    • Robert Blum
      Managing Partner at Lytham Partners
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