TSS Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 15, 2025

There are 9 speakers on the call.

Operator

Afternoon, and welcome to the TSS Inc. First Quarter twenty twenty five Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen only mode, and the floor will be opened for your questions and comments after the presentation. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, James Carbonara. James, the floor is yours.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Joining me on call are Daryl Duen, President and CEO of TSS Inc. And Danny Chisholm, the company's CFO. As we begin the call, I would like to remind everyone to take note of the cautionary language regarding forward looking statements contained in the press release we issued today. That same language applies to comments and statements made on today's conference call.

Speaker 1

This call will contain time sensitive information as well as forward looking statements, which are accurate only as of today, 05/15/2025. TSS expressly disclaims any obligation to update, amend, supplement or otherwise review any information or forward looking statements made on this conference call or replay to reflect events or circumstances that may change or arise after the date indicated, except as otherwise required by applicable law. For list of the risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ, please refer to the company's periodic filings with the SEC. In addition, we will be referring to non GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of the differences between these measures and most directly comparable financial measures calculated in accordance with USS GAAP is included in today's press release.

Speaker 1

With that, Daryl, I'll turn the call over to you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, James. Hello, everybody. Thank you again, and good afternoon. Thank you for joining us today for our first quarter twenty twenty five earnings conference call. Welcome to 2025.

Speaker 2

We're off to a strong start in the first quarter. Demand for AIRAC integration and procurement services business remains robust, and we once again are delivering outstanding financial results driven by strong operational execution and our unwavering commitment to customer service. We are successfully executing our business strategy delivering substantial growth in revenue, earnings, and cash flow while scaling our operations and positioning the company to capture a meaningful share of the rapidly growing and complex AI infrastructure market. Importantly, we're dramatically adding to our capacity to perform systems integration services work and have reached an important milestone which I'll cover in a moment. So let me walk through some of the highlights from the quarter.

Speaker 2

First, we delivered total revenue growth of 523% year over year. Believe it or not, I've gotten a couple of texts saying that's not good enough. An extraordinary achievement that underscores the rising demand for our offerings, the strength of our customer relationships, and the attractive market dynamics in which we operate. Diluted earnings per share grew to 12¢, a significant improvement from just over breakeven a year ago in the quarter. We also generated positive cash flow from operations for the first three months of the year, further strengthening our financial foundation.

Speaker 2

This exceptional performance was driven by growth in our two largest service offerings. Breaking down the performance by segment, let me go. First of all, starting with procurement services, where we source third party hardware, software, and services, revenues grew by more than 600% to more than $90,000,000 in the quarter as our customers ramped up infrastructure investments to support AI workloads. This growth not only highlights our value as a strategic sourcing partner, but it also reflects the strong execution of our operations team in a rapidly scaling environment. As we've noted in the past, while this business can experience quarter to quarter fluctuations, the broader trajectory remains positive.

Speaker 2

We remain very optimistic about its contribution throughout the rest of this year. Our number two segment is systems integration, which includes rack integration, AI rack integration, experienced a tremendous surge in revenue this quarter, driven by the increasing demand for AI enabled infrastructure. Revenue in this segment grew more than 250%, highlighting the momentum behind AI deployments. We are still in the early stages of the AI infrastructure build out cycle, and we expect sustained high growth in this area as customers ramp up investments to meet evolving compute demands over the coming quarters and years. And in Facilities Management, our other segment, which primarily includes our Modular Data Center business, or MDCs as we refer to them, revenue declined 40%.

Speaker 2

This segment has historically provided stable high margin revenue despite representing a smaller portion of our overall business, just over 1% of total revenue in the first quarter. The modular market is changing. MDCs are no longer used primarily just to augment traditional data centers. This change, however, in modular is changing to where we are addressing a form of a prefab solution for delivering very dense computing more efficiently. In addition, edge computing, an emerging and growing segment tied to AI, is also likely to become modular.

Speaker 2

Given the accelerating adoption of AI driven technologies, we expect MDCs to play an increasingly important role in our growth strategy in 2025 and beyond. To meet rising demand and support a long term customer agreement, in 2024 we secured a multi lease agreement on a 02/13000 square foot facility in Georgetown, Texas. The build out is progressing according to plan. That space, by the way, is twice as big as it is what we have today in Round Rock, Texas. So I'm excited to announce we have begun production of this new facility in early May, with support for a range of programs getting underway.

Speaker 2

We expect to reach full production capacity in this new facility by June. This is record achievement based on where we started in this facility to where we're at today. My congrats to our team. So let me take a minute to explain the strategic advantage this building represents. First of all, many of you who follow the data center market and its evolving role in delivering AI no power, the electricity power, is a major issue for data centers.

Speaker 2

Well, it's a major issue for data center infrastructure production as well. When a rack build is commissioned, the AI equipment and other components that come to our facility that we add to a rack and cable it all together. Sounds simple, doesn't it? Well, today these servers are heavier. Cabling is challenging as each GPU in an AI rack needs to be able to talk to the other GPUs, and a new element of cooling or water distribution for direct liquid cooling is added.

Speaker 2

Once all of this is complete, the rack needs to be powered up and tested. We have been asked by our largest OEM customers to be prepared to test many racks simultaneously. This drives a significant power demand. We have opened up a new facility with six megawatts of power. However, we have worked with the local municipality to augment the power supply to 15 MW by this summer.

Speaker 2

We're at 2.7 here in Round Rock. This is six times the power we have available in our legacy facility. We have discussions about adding more power that significantly improves where we're at in time, and the city is very supportive. And beyond having the power made available by the municipality, we need to be able to distribute that amount of power and water, for that matter, within the building. All in all, this is a building designed from the ground up for AI rack integration, and there are very few buildings like this in the market, providing us a significant competitive advantage.

Speaker 2

From a financial perspective, our total planned investment is between 25,000,000 and $30,000,000 This investment will scale over time as the complexity and the volume of RAC integration increases. We structured the project with a clear path to long term profitability and I underscore that we're very focused on profitable growth, supported by our strong OEM partnership. Based on our current forecast, we anticipate a payback period of approximately two years, representing a highly attractive return on this invested capital. The AI infrastructure market is evolving rapidly, with significant capital flowing into development of high performance compute environments. While the hyperscalers have led early adoption, we expect a broader wave of AI deployment for medium and large enterprises supporting applications far beyond large language modeling.

Speaker 2

We're hereby working closely with our key customers and partners to understand how hyperdense AI compute will be implemented across a wide range of data center environments. This will remain a key area of focus for us in the quarters ahead, and we're excited about the opportunities this presents. After Danny has provided more detail on our financial performance for the quarter, I'll be back to address some questions about the market, tariffs, and other and our perspective on a positive future for the company. So Danny?

Speaker 3

Yeah, thanks Darryl. It was another record quarter for TSS. Let's take a look at the financial results. Consolidated revenue increased by more than 520% in the first quarter of twenty twenty five to $99,000,000 up from $15,900,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. The increase was driven by year over year growth in our two largest service lines, including growth of almost 700% in procurement revenues and 253% in our higher margin systems integration business.

Speaker 3

Total revenue from the systems integration increased from $2,100,000 in the first quarter of last year to $7,500,000 in the current quarter, driven primarily by an increase in AI enabled rack integration. Demand for this business remains robust. Revenue from facilities management totaled $1,300,000 down 40% from $2,100,000 in the same quarter last year. This segment, while currently the smallest of our overall business, offers strong strategic potential. We are actively optimizing this business and focusing on high growth opportunities.

Speaker 3

Given the fairly consistent visibility into this revenue stream, we anticipate more robust growth over the next twelve to eighteen months, as Daryl mentioned, particularly as medium and large enterprise clients increasingly adopt modular data centers as a cost effective solution to leverage AI technologies. When we deploy new modular data centers, we also typically get multi year maintenance contracts further enhancing our earnings profile with nice margins. Revenue from procurement services totaled $90,200,000 up 676% compared to $11,600,000 in the year ago quarter. In the first quarter alone, the revenue that we recorded from this segment amounted to 77% of the total recorded procurement revenues for all of 2024, which itself represented significant growth from prior years. As a reminder, revenue in this segment represents a mix of gross and net deals, whose revenue recognition method varies based on contractual terms and whether we modify the product in some way or just act as an agent in the transaction.

Speaker 3

The gross value of all procurement transactions increased 431% from the prior year quarter to $106,000,000 Gross profit increased 674% to $7,000,000 Based on recorded GAAP values, procurement gross margins were 7.8% in both the current and the prior year quarter. When viewed on a non GAAP gross value of all transactions, which we see as a more apples to apples comparison as it strips out whether it's a gross deal or a net deal, gross margins improved from 4.6% in the prior year quarter to 6.6% in the current quarter. As we continue to scale and grow, the mix of our revenues and the mix of gross versus net procurement deals will likely drive quarter to quarter fluctuations in our blended gross margins. Procurement revenues have grown dramatically in recent quarters as we expect the general trajectory of this business to remain on an upward curve with some ups and downs in volume from one quarter to another. Much of our procurement business is ultimately related to the federal government buying, which can fluctuate.

Speaker 3

We're pleased to be getting more and more of this business from our OEM customers, and we see a sufficient pipeline to give us near term confidence that revenues will remain elevated from historical norms. We're selectively bolstering the team to continue to grow this offering. Our consolidated gross margin was 9.3% this quarter, down compared to 17.1% in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. This decrease is primarily due to the mix of revenues with lower margin procurement services representing a larger portion of the total revenue in the first quarter of twenty twenty five compared to the prior year quarter. We discussed a minute ago the gross margins from the procurement segment.

Speaker 3

I'd like to take a moment now to provide a bit more color on this quarter's gross margins in our second largest segment and one that's driving a lot of the improvement in our overall earnings, systems integration. Gross margins in the SI department were 22% this quarter compared to twenty eight percent this quarter last year. This quarter is a bit unique though. Although we've not yet begun paying cash rent at our new production facility, the current quarter results include approximately $760,000 of rent expense on our new Georgetown location recognized on a straight line basis, while still bearing the majority of the occupancy costs at our existing production facility in Round Rock as it has in prior periods. Excluding the non cash rent at the new facility, Systems Integration gross margins improved from 28% in the prior year quarter to 32 in the current quarter, and gross profits improved from $600,000 to $2,400,000 Since we started production from the new facility last week, we'll also begin paying rent at the new facility this month, and the fixed fee we earn from our customer under our multi year AI rack integration contract will also increase in lockstep by an amount more than sufficient to cover such incremental occupancy costs.

Speaker 3

As a result, we expect gross margins in the Systems Integration segment to improve in the last three fiscal quarters of twenty twenty five compared to the first quarter, even before factoring in any organic growth. SG and A expenses improved to 53% of gross profit in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, down from 88% in the year ago quarter and 59% in the fourth quarter. On a dollar basis, SG and A expenses increased to $4,900,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, up from $2,400,000 in the year ago quarter as we continue to invest in talent, capacity and process improvements. Depreciation and amortization expenses increased modestly year over year, but do not yet reflect the increase expected once we begin depreciating the build out costs at our new facility. Based on the $25,000,000 to $30,000,000 total estimated CapEx of that facility, Once we do begin depreciating those assets, I expect that incremental non cash depreciation to be between $420,000 and $500,000 per month, depending on whether we're closer to the $25,000,000 or $30,000,000 total investment.

Speaker 3

Consolidated operating income and margin in the first quarter of twenty twenty five was $4,100,000 and 44.7% of gross profit, respectively, up from $253,000 and 9.3% in the prior year quarter. Calculated as a percentage of total revenue, our operating income margin almost tripled to 4.2% in the current quarter compared to 1.6% in the prior year quarter. Interest expense increased from $328,000 in the prior year quarter to $1,500,000 in the current quarter, comprised of 1,300,000 of factoring costs and $167,000 from our new bank loan. Partially offsetting that interest expense was $383,000 of interest income earned from cash on hand compared to $100,000 of interest income this quarter last year. As a result of the factors mentioned, net income for the first quarter of twenty twenty five was $3,000,000 exponentially greater than the $15,000 of net income in Q1 of last year.

Speaker 3

Diluted earnings per share were $0.12 for the first quarter of twenty twenty five, up from nil or just above breakeven in the prior year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA, which excludes interest, taxes, depreciation, amortization and stock based compensation, was $5,200,000 more than tenfold from $475,000 in the year ago quarter. Turning now to take a quick look at the balance sheet. As of March year, we had cash and cash equivalents and short term deposits totaling $27,300,000 This compares favorably to $23,200,000 as of 12/31/2024, or the end of last year. The increase in cash was due primarily to cash generated from operations, which was partially offset by cash used for capital expenditures related to the build out in the Georgetown facility.

Speaker 3

Net working capital decreased from 1,300,000 at the end of twenty twenty four to a negative $11,100,000 at the end of the first quarter of twenty twenty five. To minimize interest expense in the period, we intentionally used excess cash on hand to fund the $14,900,000 of capital expenditures in the current quarter. This temporary use of working capital was replenished shortly after the quarter end when we drew down the remaining $11,300,000 on our construction loan last week. The increases in inventory and accounts payable at the end of the period are related to an elevated level of procurement activity ongoing at that point in time, adding to the temporary movement in working capital. For the first three months of twenty twenty five, we generated cash flow from operations of $20,600,000 which compares favorably to 2,600,000 in the first three months of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3

The increase was driven by much stronger earnings combined with the timing of cash flow in our procurement activities. All in all, it was another great quarter operationally and financially. With that, I'll turn it back over to Daryl.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Danny. I really appreciate that. I'm incredibly proud of our team's ability to execute on both our operational commitments and our long term vision. We operate in a very exciting market shaped by rapid advances in AI and high performance computing, and our position at the center of this transformation is both unique and compelling. Before we look ahead, I wanted to address in more detail what we are seeing in the market and how we view the future given some of the uncertainty caused by trade and tariffs, as well as technological advantages.

Speaker 2

We believe we're in a very secular growth segment of the market, but it does not mean we're immune to macroeconomic changes. The tariff situation is anticipated to increase IT hardware costs and is stretching complicated buying patterns and supply chains. Orders we are processing in coming months were placed months ago, but lead times are lengthening a bit. If the tariff situation does not stabilize, we and all others in the IT hardware supply chain will possibly see orders taking longer to process. When you add the fluidity of this international trade situation to the rapid advancement of technology, Q1 was like no other in recent history.

Speaker 2

It is precisely why we focus so intensely on our relationships with key partners and working closely with them on the roadmaps for their vendor partners and to work to ensure that operations are even more prepared to deliver even the most complex solutions and systems. The rapid pace of evolution of data center technologies, from chip to power to cooling, continues to impact buying patterns. As an example, the transparency of NVIDIA's product roadmap and the magnitude of processing advancement causes customers to debate the timing of purchases. Couple this with the political and macroeconomic environment, it's a recipe for uncertainty. That said, the order pipeline of our OEM customers remains extremely robust and we're seeing orders closing kicking off lead times.

Speaker 2

In summary, this historic investment in AI capacity continues. Our success the last two years has been due to our ability to look ahead and to be in the best position to support our partners' need for capacity with the expertise and infrastructure to support growing levels of complexity. That focus has us exceptionally well positioned for the future no matter what the trade and tariff world looks like. So looking ahead, we can expect continued strong performance for the year in 2025. Specifically, we anticipate total revenue in the first half of this year will exceed revenue in the second half of last year, reflecting sustained customer demand and ongoing execution across our business lines.

Speaker 2

Additionally, as stated in earlier call, we expect and maintain a full year 2025 adjusted EBITDA to be at least 50% higher than all of last year, driven by higher volume, improved operational leverage, and strategic investments made over the past year. While we may experience quarter to quarter fluctuations, we remain confident in the overall growth trajectory and long term value creation for our shareholders. So thank you. Can we open this up now to Q and A?

Operator

Thank you. The floor is now open for questions. If you wish to join the queue to ask a question at this time, Chris, your line is live. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi. Thanks very much for taking my question. Well, first of all, I think it has to be said that to pull this quarter off in the midst of a major historic infrastructure move to a totally new facility, all knowing how many moving parts are involved in that is I mean, it it it's it has to be acknowledged for what it is, which is very impressive. And, you know, just terrific job. I know that a big team is involved there, so that's a lot of people would have blamed the move, but you guys really executed.

Speaker 2

Hey, Chris. Thanks. On behalf of the team, we appreciate your comments. It's not easy. A lot of commitment, a lot of focus, a lot of good work by this team, the leadership team, and the team we have in the company.

Speaker 2

It's rare that in our role we get anybody saying anything nice, so thank you for saying something nice. I'll buy the bill

Speaker 4

whenever I see it. We'll get there. You know, I wanted a couple of questions that I get a lot from people when I talk to them about the company and the stock is other than being concerned about the transition, which I think you've proved you're you're gonna navigate. You know, they read a lot about AI, integrated racks, and, you know, what NVIDIA is doing and what Dell is doing. And, of course, you and I, you know, have spoken to those people, and we know what that's all about.

Speaker 4

But I I think the people that I talk to and field questions from are could could use some color around how as Dell and NVIDIA and other people work to make the integration easier, they worry that, well, maybe it will obviate, you know, the need for some of the integration services and value add that that TSS provides. And I think that it'd be helpful to give them some color and maybe some case studies around why that might not be true and how that you have a durable role in the industry as an integrator.

Speaker 2

Good question and it's something that we think about 20 fourseven. We do operate, we use an internal phrase called operate with your high beams on. We are very focused on anticipating and trying to anticipate what's going to happen in the industry so we don't become obsolete. As you know, we have multiple lines We have the integration business, we have the modular data center business, procurement business, and they all kind of interact.

Speaker 2

And the rack integration business, especially around AI, let me take that on. NVIDIA produces a reference architecture that OEMs like Dell will build a solution off of. That's NVIDIA's game. I've been asked a little bit about what's NVIDIA gonna do. Are they gonna get in our business?

Speaker 2

I was kind of joking about how NVIDIA is coming after TSS. That'll be an interesting play. I don't think that's what the game plan is. As we see the technology transition, I remember two and a half years ago joining the company we were building racks that had like 55 kilowatts of power, now they're well over 100 and are forecast to go over 300 to a megawatt of rack. We have the latest and greatest in the factory right now being integrated and it's a sight to be seen.

Speaker 2

Is an amazing architecture and a transition from even a couple years ago and how it's all put together, the size of the servers, the weight of the servers, the power, the direct liquid cooling, the complexity. And what do we do? We try to do the best we can to add value to integrate those solutions faster and with more value and quality than anybody else in the market. So where we see it going, it's going to get more complex. We're told because we have a very strong relationship with our key customer that it's going to get more complex.

Speaker 2

The technology is going to continue to evolve. We're out in front of that. And on our RAC integration business we expect continued growth. Could this ever change? Anything could change, but we don't see it anytime soon and we're full speed ahead.

Speaker 2

So reference point, the direct liquid capability is increasing. The percentage of our business is moving to DLC. It's bigger than it's ever been, and we expect it to continue. The power needed, as we've talked about, has increased exponentially. I'm trying to put things into perspective of twenty five, thirty, thirty five years ago in technology, I can't do it.

Speaker 2

The mainframe today is standing in front of you. So we're out in front of it. We're doing the best we can to stay relevant and to become a continued partner to our customer.

Speaker 3

I would add, Daryl, to your point about the DLC becoming more and more important or more prevalent is as we built up the new factory, we we knew that was where the technology was heading. And we've built out multiple times the capacity to do DLC as well as doing air cooled in that facility. So we've really set ourselves up for continued future growth.

Speaker 2

And Chris, let me add one more thing. When you think about AI, AI is how don't even describe it, don't even know what the word is, but it's going to change everything that we do. This is not a new phenomenon, chat accelerated things, the power of technology and the price points accelerating. The technology is powerful. When you think about the impact of going from what's happening today, if you will, from modeling to inferencing and how the enterprise is going to adopt and how other companies are going to adopt, I think the future is pretty darn exciting.

Speaker 2

And you think about the application capability of AI in healthcare and defense and government and in commercial applications, entertainment, you pick it, it's amazing what's happening. In fact, we use it here internally for certain things, and we're able to do things a lot faster to help us get to where we want to go. So we're optimistic, bud. I appreciate the question.

Speaker 4

All right. Well, hey, thanks a lot, guys. I will drop all these numbers in, refresh the model, and then I'll circle back with you guys

Speaker 3

Great. Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Thank you. And as a reminder, the floor remains open for questions. And if you wish to join the queue at this time, Please hold a moment And our next question is coming from Dave Sheridan. Dave, your line is live. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Gentlemen, great quarter. Appreciate the K, you holding the conference call for us as well. My question is, regarding the, old facility. Are you continuing, to

Speaker 5

look for

Speaker 2

opportunities to lease that facility out? Or will you be using that first facility for your own demand in the future? All of the above. So first and foremost, we are planning and we've built it into our business model the cost of carrying this facility where we're at right now in Round Rock. A very good question by the way.

Speaker 2

So that's number one. Number two is we have a couple of options on what we can do in this facility. There's ways that we could expand our business here, specifically in configuration services or in rack integration if we so elect to go down a certain path. But right now we're planning for that and we also have the ability to sublease this facility. We renegotiated the lease a couple of years ago and we've got very favorable rates compared to what the market holds today.

Speaker 2

So the downside, if you will, we always look at what's the downside in some cases, the downside is we're good to sublease but we'd like to turn it into a revenue opportunity versus just the cost coverage. All right perfect and my second question because I tuned in late, did you guys touch upon okay what your revenues could be at full capacity at the new facility at all? That's a nice way of asking a good question. I have to give you credit for asking that way like you came in late. The answer is no.

Speaker 3

No, the guidance we did put out was more around bottom line that we expect next year's adjusted EBITDA to be at least 50% up from what we saw last year. So more looking at it from a bottom line standpoint. We do know we've built out the capacity in the new Georgetown facility that would be beyond what the current demand is. So we definitely think there's some upside potential but we did

Speaker 2

not put a number on it. Let me give you another cheeky answer. Dave, I'm sorry. Dave, am less than twenty four hours away from elective eye surgery, so I can't see too well about anything down the street right at the moment. But we're very focused on profitable growth, and appreciate your question.

Speaker 2

Obviously there's things we can say and there's things we can't say, but we're trying to give you as much guidance as we can for the year. So hopefully that gives you some insight to what's going on.

Speaker 3

Don't worry, we're not letting them walk anywhere near the racks right now while they can't see well.

Speaker 2

Well, thank you very much guys and appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Bradley Stevenson. Bradley, your line is live. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hi, guys. Daryl, this quarter was just not good enough. Just wanted to tell you. No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2

Hey, Brad, it's really nice talking. So I'd see you.

Speaker 5

When we get back

Speaker 3

to the drawing board.

Speaker 6

No, really good. I just had a, most of my questions were actually already asked, but I did. Couple questions, one as, I know there's a little bit of a concern out there with some, not saying myself, but asking for a friend, that margin pressures there might be some margin pressure on you as volumes start to go up. However, Danny, I heard you say really what I think was just the opposite of that. Is that over the next two to three quarters seeing integration margins go up?

Speaker 6

Do you see that even looking further out as volumes go up?

Speaker 3

I do. Some of what I was trying to point out in this call, know, to try to go down too much of a accounting geek rabbit hole, But unfortunately, it's kind of where I am. Accounting rules stipulate that we had to start recognizing rent expense on the new facility even though we're not paying rent. Basically, take all your rent payments over the entire period and start straight lining it. So we were expensing about $253,000 per month starting in December.

Speaker 3

And we have been continuing to expense that. So it was about $760,000 of expense that hit the SI department this quarter that's non cash. Arrangement with our partner, they're cognizant of the fact that we're going to incur additional costs as we move to that factory. And we've structured our agreement with them such that essentially we're more than made whole for that incremental cost that we will incur as we're doing that to enable the ability to serve them better. So yes, I anticipate those margins will go up.

Speaker 3

The other that I pointed out was even though if you look at the GAAP recorded margins in that SI department, it shows it was down this quarter. When you strip out that non cash rent, we're actually up about 400 basis points from 28% to 32%. So I do anticipate margins going up in the remainder of the year. The one caveat I would give there, because the margins are lower in the procurement business, to the extent that the growth in procurement may outsize the growth in other segments. When you look year over year, the overall blended margin may come down.

Speaker 3

But even looking at that, if you recall, looking at it on a gross basis regardless of whether we record those procurement deals at net or gross, we actually improved those margins also on the non GAAP gross basis from what four sixty basis points to six sixty basis points this quarter. So all those signs are pointing in the right direction. Sorry. Long answer from my accounting geek world to to a very short question.

Speaker 6

I love the accounting geek stuff, so feel feel free to do that. That's actually where I live. So integrate or procurement services. I mean, this the new norm, you know, last three quarters, sixty million, forty million, ninety million, or is this a temporary situation?

Speaker 2

We're optimistic about the procurement business. We've made some investments in resources to further penetrate the opportunity, go find additional opportunity. It's a little difficult sometimes to predict but we're optimistic on the top line growth. Question is just when is it going to fall. The trick in our opinion is to go find multi year large situations that we can earn the right to win the second tranche or the third tranche of a deal and continue to deliver.

Speaker 2

That's the challenge that we have. Frankly, we're building out the team a little bit to scale and we're optimistic about this year. The question is when's it going to pop? So as we just reported, had a very strong Q1. I think we're optimistic about the next quarter and we're working on the back half of the year to make it equally exciting.

Speaker 3

Yeah. We've been relatively clear in the past, and I would still stand by this too, but that's going to go up and down a bit from quarter to quarter. Some of those are discrete projects, right, where you may have a 10 or 20 or $30,000,000 project in one quarter that may not repeat the next. Frankly, was pleasantly surprised with the volume that we saw in Q1. Initially, I expect a little bit more seasonality around the federal buying season with the federal government ending September 30.

Speaker 3

I expected at the end of q three, we probably would have that would have been some of the lift we saw there. And then again, when departments got their new budget in q one, I was pleasantly surprised to see that that did not fall off in q one. But I wouldn't necessarily expect every quarter to be at a $90,000,000 level.

Speaker 2

We're gonna put Danny in a sales job.

Speaker 6

Facilities management, where is it I don't know how say that it's down sequentially and year over year. You talked a little bit about that in your comments but could you add a little more color to what's going on there?

Speaker 2

Yes. We remain optimistic about that segment, primarily because it's a vehicle that I think is transitioning from the old to the new. The old was data center expansion, power in a remote location closer to the need, hydroelectric capability, closeness, it's transitioning to become more of an alternative compute, if you will, module for AI. And the long pole in that tent is getting the components, getting the power units, getting the container built, and frankly selling it to an executive in an enterprise or a business as to why they should do this versus go to a colo, go to a hyperscaler, or extend their existing data center and make sure that they've got the ability to capture direct liquid capability and take advantage of the latest and greatest technology. It's a time to value equation and we're working very closely within that ecosystem of people who deliver pieces of that solution who actually are trying to sell it as well.

Speaker 2

Our partnership with our key customers is on point doing that. We're assisting. There are people in the ecosystem of suppliers so to speak like Schneider, Vertiv, Motivaire, who are all in that game that we're working closely with to try and provide an IT solution in a modular unit. We also believe there's a play with a different kind of technology approach that we really can't talk about here, but that's a possibility in how we deliver a container and what does it look like, especially even at the edge. We don't have to have a 40 foot container every time we show up.

Speaker 2

So we're working on it. We have resized our existing team to take advantage of the existing contracts we have to maintain the profit margin without getting out in front of our headlights on growing resources without the demand signal, we're very focused on making sure we add and we contract as needed. So TBD on how it all plays out, but we remain optimistic that there's a play.

Speaker 3

And I'm sorry, the other color I would add there Bradley is that about half of the decrease that you saw year over year this quarter was really discrete projects that were in the first quarter of last year. Those pop up from time to time. I'd expect some later in this year and in later quarters as well. So those are not necessarily comparable year over year. Think about battery replacements or media filter changes, renovations of of MDCs.

Speaker 3

So those are that's one that I wouldn't necessarily expect to be there every quarter.

Speaker 6

Do you have any or can you comment on what kind of potential you see in that segment and maybe a timeline

Speaker 2

can move significantly with a couple of new deals. And we've got a couple in sight, and if we can get to a volume business, a little bit higher volume, it makes a big difference in our bottom line because of the margin involved. That's all I think I could say right at the moment without giving up any competitive advantage that we think we have.

Speaker 6

Okay. And then are you the last one I had was about around enterprise AI infrastructure. CoreWeave talked a little bit in their earnings call, I think it was earlier this week, about seeing that demand increase. Are you seeing any of that yet?

Speaker 2

So yes. I'm talking from sales experience when I tell you this. Pipeline is all relative. I like to see dollars and cents when deals close. You don't get paid on pipeline.

Speaker 2

You get paid on producing results, but you need a pipeline. We're told that, and we're working very closely with people, they're telling us the pipeline's never been as big. Okay, great, let's move it to revenue, and we're starting to see that. Our relationship with our key customer is very healthy, we're very optimistic that the pipeline will convert, and we're still working on larger deals, but if you look at Meta, OpenAI, AWS, Microsoft, Oracle, Google, everybody is talking about what their investments are in AI infrastructure, and we're talking in billions. We're not talking rounding a couple hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 2

This is a big time deal. So that's translating to people who are scrambling to get their hands on the technology. And we're glad to be right in the middle of it with the kind of skills that we have and we expect it to continue.

Speaker 6

All right, guys. Well, you so much and great quarter. I was just kidding you when I said it wasn't good enough.

Speaker 2

Know, actually it's kind of like, it's we're happy, but we're not satisfied. So we look to avoid any situation that makes us, if you will, we don't deliver based on what we say we're gonna do. So we wanna make sure we deliver when we say we're gonna deliver. So thank you for that, appreciate it.

Speaker 6

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Jordan Marcus. Jordan, your line is live, please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, guys. Can you hear me?

Speaker 3

Yeah. We got you, Jordan.

Speaker 7

Daryl, Dan, Jordan Marcus, longtime investor and supporter. I'm

Speaker 6

gonna start

Speaker 7

this call by using a very technical Harvard Business School term to describe the operational efficiency in which you guys have performed over the past quarter, and that is let's fucking go. Incredible. And so I just want to compliment you like everybody else. It is easy to talk the talk, it is hard to walk the walk, and you guys continue to, excel in that capacity. So thank you for you and everyone on your team in continuing to perform.

Speaker 2

Darrell, you made my

Speaker 5

day. Thanks, bro.

Speaker 7

Darrell, man, I love you, dude. I know we got to be formal on these calls, but I got to get in touch with Maj. We got to get call in the books, but, you are my favorite company by far, and that's just not because of the earnings. And I think you guys got a long way to go, and, you're just getting started.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is coming from Wayne Van Orden. Wayne, your line is live. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey, good afternoon gentlemen. I'm just a small retail investor, but I found you because I've been in the IT industry since 1972. I remember eighty eighty eight chips, if you remember them, anybody there, which I was to shift to the nerd nerd conversation. My history in the industry, I found frequently when new technologies appeared, there was always a difficulty in getting the pipeline for the team. And I'm wondering how you're addressing recruiting and stabilizing your needs based on the different levels of engagement you have with your clients.

Speaker 8

And is that proving to be more difficult, or is that something that you're learning how to master? And that's the whole question I have, just on creating the team.

Speaker 2

Yeah, Wayne, thanks. You and I are probably in the same age level and, I'm sure I'm older, but when you talk about technology change since '72, we can go toe to toe on that one. To answer your question, we fundamentally believe that people are the center of everything we do. We have an amazing chief people officer who has done a phenomenal job of automating a lot of what we do today so we can take advantage of promoting open opportunities online, working through ADP as an example, and sourcing and finding people, number one. Number two is I'm proud to be a part of a team that has exceptional leaders.

Speaker 2

You're listening to Danny here alongside and we've got a chief operating officer Todd Merritt who basically is 20 fourseven and Todd does an incredible job of running this operation and getting us ready for Georgetown. We're blessed and we're also blessed, number three, in a market that is pro business, that has a talent pool that wants to work, that wants to come and do something. We've done, I think, a great job we continue to work on trying to make this worthwhile to our people. Todd has implemented an incentive system to make sure that we don't have any bad quality. We turn bolts, which is customer dissatisfaction, and people are recognized for their good work.

Speaker 2

We always have a way to improve in that area, but we didn't go from 80 to a couple hundred people overnight without making some mistakes and learning from those mistakes but when we used to spend 607 hundred thousand dollars a year for temporary employment agency fees and we've knocked that almost out That's a result of the good work that both Janet and Todd have done to make sure that we've got the right foundation to continue to grow. We're anticipating growth again and we're out in front of it and if all things work out right, we'll do it properly and more smartly than we did the last runaround. We learned from that. So thank you for that and glad you're a small investor. We love you for that.

Speaker 2

So thanks for your investment.

Speaker 8

Well, I I love Texas, so can I tell you can you tell me when the company picnic is arranged? I might come over from Daytona to visit.

Speaker 2

Come on over anytime. We'd love to have you.

Speaker 8

Thanks a lot. Bye bye.

Speaker 3

Appreciate it, Wayne.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from John Weinberg. John, your line is live. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi. Good afternoon. Can you guys hear me?

Speaker 2

We got you.

Speaker 5

Right. Another small investor, but not too small, pretty decent sized retail investor, and I've been with you for a long time. I really appreciate all the hard work. Hearing you talking about the team is is is a fantastic testament to the results that you you showed today and hopefully keep continuing to show. A couple questions.

Speaker 5

One is about capacity and AI demand durability. Now that production has started at the new facility, what level of committed demand or visibility do you have from AI clients to support full utilization? And and what assumptions are you making about the durability of AI infrastructure spend into 2026? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Okay, I wanna make sure I understand your question right. So you're asking on our capacity, explain it just a little bit further.

Speaker 5

Yeah. I'm just saying what level of committed demands or visibility do you have from AI clients to support your full utilization for the new plant and what assumptions are you making about the durability of AI infrastructure spend into 2026?

Speaker 2

Okay, so our demand and visibility with our key customer around rack integration, it fluctuates but basically we've over the last couple of years have worked very closely together to build a better, if you will, window or portal into that demand and I'd say pretty good on ninety days to five months and it ebbs and flows depending on what happens in the market. So it's a fluctuating situation but I think we're pretty tied off on what's coming our way and what we're going to need to do on people resources to meet the demand. And it fluctuates a little bit but we're good. Another way to look at it is our capability to scale year over year on our rack integration business at our new facility is significant. We will do a lot better this year than we did last year and we have more to go.

Speaker 2

So the growth capability is, I would hate to give you a number, but it's exciting in terms of what we can do. Now on your cost question about AI, I'm not sure I really understood that. Danny you took it and

Speaker 3

He was asking about durability of the AI infrastructure spend in the 2026. I guess my question there, Brian, are you asking more about how long our investment in the new facility will service or how long you think before customers need to start replacing the technology they're buying today.

Speaker 2

It's

Speaker 5

it's yeah. It's actually it's the latter, actually.

Speaker 3

Yeah. I you know, this is not scientific. This is me reading tea leaves. But as I see it, enterprise, you know, medium and large enterprises, they're probably gonna make these investments for a five to six year time horizon. My guess is hyperscalers will likely need to replace it more quickly.

Speaker 3

Because if they don't, they'll be obsolete pretty quickly. So a lot of the dollars being spent today, again, this is, right, me seeing this not necessarily scientific study, but I think a lot of that's probably going to have to be replaced within the next three to four years, maybe as short as two, just to remain competitive and remain up to speed with the advancements in technology.

Speaker 2

John, another way we look at it is we work closely with a couple of research companies and we monitor the data center integration spend, total addressable market, and you can always tweak that depending what result you're looking for, but numbers are staggering. Who knows for how long and what's going to be in a couple of years from now. I think anybody on this call could tell me or us what this industry is going to look like two, three years from now. Bring it

Speaker 5

on. When

Speaker 2

Wayne was talking earlier about being a small investor since 1972, he's been watching the industry. Wasn't too long ago that well, was long ago that I remember going from an 80 column card to 96 column card, and that was a massive shift. So when you think about what we're doing today and what you have in your hand on a cell phone versus what a mainframe used to look like, it's incredible. So we're in a great industry, it's ever changing, we're embracing it, and we're doing anything we can to stay out in front of it.

Speaker 5

Well, thank you. That's very helpful. My last question is if you can speak to how your customer base is evolving, particularly in terms of the concentration and to what extent is the growth in AI rack integration expanding your exposure beyond legacy customers like Dell? And of course, it's great to have Dell, but I wanted to just ask that question.

Speaker 2

I've been public in my comments about growing and looking for sources of revenue that would not betray or violate any trusted relationship we have with our existing customer. So that's foremost. That doesn't mean that we couldn't find some ways that would maybe be seen as competitive, but we want to make sure we do this in a very appropriate way. And the last thing we want to do is violate any of our trusted connections. So there's a big market out there.

Speaker 2

We've looked at how rack integration is performed by competitors in the industry. You go down the list, go to HPE, Super Micro, Lenovo, You Pick. And there's opportunities to do some of our work in a customer facility, and there's opportunities to do it in a way that would disrupt what we're doing with our current customer, we don't want to do that. So we're looking at opportunity to expand our service capabilities that's, if you will, net incremental and that could be by acquisition, it could be by partnering. There's a way to do that in a channel and there's a way to do that in the software world to build appliances, so to speak, and we're looking at all of that in a way that even complements our existing relationship but doesn't show up on our books as quote unquote Dell or our existing strategic customer revenue, if that makes any sense.

Speaker 5

It makes a lot of sense and I appreciate that answer and your candor. Well, made a lot of shorts, very unhappy today and the longs, us, very, very happy. So appreciate that, and hopefully, we'll continue. Have a great afternoon.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Appreciate it, John.

Operator

Thank you. I'd now like to pass the floor to James Carbonara for another question.

Speaker 1

Hey, guys. We had a question come in from the airport, the investor. It's a little noisy in the background, so I just want to read what he texted in. He said back to NVIDIA, I wanna take the glass half full approach. Given that they have a manufacturing presence in Texas near you, can we envision them as a customer at some point?

Speaker 1

They do outsource direct to companies like Foxconn for integration. As a US company, could that be an advantage?

Speaker 2

All the facts are friendly, possibly.

Speaker 1

Okay. No follow-up from that investor on text. Thank you, Daryl. Operator, back to you.

Operator

Thank you. And this does now conclude the question and answer session. I would now like to pass the floor back to Daryl Duen for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you. I'm reminded of the phrase success breeds complacency. We appreciate the kind words. There's been a lot of work. We're not done.

Speaker 2

The last thing we want to do is become complacent and stop looking at the little things that have separated us to get here. So we're very focused and I'm very pleased to have a heck of a team leading this company that I get to work with, and I'm optimistic about what's going on. It's an exciting time for us. We're in a dynamic part of the industry. We're going do everything we can to remain relevant and step ahead.

Speaker 2

And for all of you that have been on this call, I want to say thank you for putting up with us and being an investor. We value your time and your money. And all I can say is wish us luck. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's conference call. You may disconnect at this time, and have a wonderful day. Thank you once again for your participation.

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