Booz Allen Hamilton Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Booz Allen delivered 12% revenue growth and $1.315 billion adjusted EBITDA in FY 25, surpassing the top end of its Investor Day targets.
  • Civil business faces a low double-digit revenue decline in FY 26, prompting targeted cost, headcount reductions, and contract resets.
  • Defense and intelligence sectors remain robust, with a record $37 billion backlog, $53.4 billion pipeline, and expectations of continued organic growth.
  • The AI business grew over 30% to $800 million in FY 25, supported by key partnerships with NVIDIA and venture investments accelerating commercial-grade solutions.
  • FY 26 guidance targets $12.0–12.5 billion in revenue, ~11% EBITDA margin, and $6.20–6.55 adjusted EPS, with a softer first half and reacceleration in the second half.
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Operator

Good morning, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Booth Allen Hamilton's Earnings Call covering Fourth Quarter Year twenty twenty five Results. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, there will be an opportunity for questions. I'd now like to turn the call over to the Head of Investor Relations, Dustin Derenberg.

Dustin Darensbourg
Dustin Darensbourg
Head of Investor Realtions at Booz Allen Hamilton

Thank you. Good morning, and thank you for joining us for Booz Allen's fourth quarter fiscal year twenty twenty five earnings call. We hope you've had an opportunity to read the press release we issued earlier this morning. We have also provided presentation slides on our website and are now on slide two. With me today to talk about our business and financial results are Horacio Rozanski, our Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President Matt Calderon, executive vice president and chief financial officer and Christine Martin Anderson, executive vice president and chief operating officer.

Dustin Darensbourg
Dustin Darensbourg
Head of Investor Realtions at Booz Allen Hamilton

As shown in the disclaimer on slide three, please keep in mind that some of the items we will discuss this morning are forward looking and may relate to future events or our future financial performance and involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially from forecasted results discussed in our SEC filings and on this call. All forward looking statements are expressly qualified in their entirety by the foregoing cautionary statements and speak only as of the date made. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update or revise publicly any forward looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. During today's call, we will also discuss some non GAAP financial measures and other metrics, which we believe provide useful information for investors. We include an explanation of adjustments and other reconciliations of our non GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures in our fourth quarter fiscal year twenty twenty five earnings release and slides.

Dustin Darensbourg
Dustin Darensbourg
Head of Investor Realtions at Booz Allen Hamilton

Numbers presented may be rounded and, as such, may vary slightly from those in our public disclosure. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to our chairman, CEO, and president, Horacio Rozanski. We are now on slide four.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

Thank you, Dustin. Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining the call today. Christine, Matt and I are proud to share strong financial results for fiscal year twenty twenty five, as well as our outlook for fiscal year twenty twenty six and beyond. And I'm happy to welcome Christine to the Q and A portion of the earnings call. Booz Allen delivered a strong year of top line and bottom line growth in FY 'twenty five.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

We also reached 1,315,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA. This exceeded the top end of our ambitious target range we set at our Investor Day in October 2021 and represents 12% compounded EBITDA growth, nearly all organic over our investment thesis period. I am incredibly proud of the people of Booz Allen for their dedication and hard work over the past three years. These results are a credit to them. Through a changing landscape, they remain focused on delivering outcomes and bringing their passion and commitment to America's most essential missions.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

A heartfelt thank you to our colleagues for all you do for our company and for our nation. To frame the conversation about fiscal year twenty twenty six, let me reiterate what I mentioned on the October earnings call. All presidential transitions create some degree of near term disruption followed by opportunity. Half a year later, we now see that these dynamics are indeed in play at a rate and speed that is beyond what we originally expected. As the Trump administration focuses on reducing government spending, increasing efficiency, and reimagining agency emissions, Booz Allen must once again adapt and accelerate.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

Let me begin by describing the current environment as we experience it. The federal government is rethinking agency missions, finding ways to accomplish those missions differently, and looking for ways to reduce spending and increase efficiency. To get there, we are seeing agency reorganizations, reductions in government personnel and spending levels, as well as contract reviews. These are especially acute in civilian agencies, and as a result, we are seeing a decrease in the pace of awards in civil as well as run rate changes in some of our contracts. At the same time, the government is leading initiatives to improve procurement regulations and practices, such as the revision of the Federal Acquisitions Regulation or FAR, and we expect to see more contracts move to fixed price and outcome based.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

We also see a focus on massively upgrading legacy systems and rapidly injecting advanced technology into revised missions. These present great opportunities for more impact and increased value to the government, as well as stronger financial performance for Booz Allen. In combination, these dynamics are currently impacting Booz Allen's view of FY 2026. We believe that our defense and national security portfolio will continue to grow this year as we accelerate the injection of AI and commercial technology into missions. In contrast, we expect our civil business to decline this year.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

Diving more into civil. Our largest contracts have been reviewed. We are proud that our solutions stood up well, and our contracts are mostly intact. The work is excellent, and the missions are critical. Having said that, the run rate on five large technology contracts has been reduced significantly in support of the administration's desire to reduce spending overall.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

This slowdown coincided with the ending of a large technology contract at the VA. Together, this led to a significant number of employees needing to be redeployed simultaneously. Under normal circumstances, and as our history shows, the dynamism of our business typically allows us to move our highly skilled talent quickly to new opportunities. But at a time when procurements are moving much slower than normal, this has been challenging. As we proactively anticipate continued market and budget dynamics, we have made the decision to restructure and reset our civil business.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

We are making targeted cost and headcount reductions to match anticipated demand. These are a combination of reductions in bench, delayering of management, and adjusting our infrastructure to match. These decisions are difficult, and they are not taken lightly. Our actions are very targeted, and we believe that they will preserve and enhance our ability to invest both in our business and in our people. Matt will cover all the details of our FY twenty six outlook in a few minutes.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

Now let me talk more about the opportunities on the horizon, especially those being created through our close collaboration with the General Services Administration or GSA. GSA wanted to explore ways they could transform and centralize government procurement. They began a contract review exercise looking for efficiencies, cost savings, and opportunities to bring in new tech like AI. We were in the first group of companies to take part in that exercise, which has since expanded to include many more companies in our industry. I'm proud to say that GSA and Booz Allen have built a very productive relationship.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

I want to highlight two specific outcomes of our efforts. First, GSA got to know us better. They now understand the value we deliver across a full range of missions. This is important because GSA and the Federal Acquisition Service or FAS will be driving an efficiency agenda across government for the foreseeable future, including the consolidation of services and acquisition processes. And second, we have a unique opportunity to offer FAS our thoughts on how to accelerate the move to outcome based procurement and bring AdjunctiKi capabilities to enable these conversions.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

For years, I have argued that the move to outcomes was necessary for the federal government. GSA and FAST understand this and are leading the way. We are optimistic that a process that could have taken a decade or more will be accelerated during this administration. We believe a more efficient government will buy differently, more commercial technology, more outcomes, streamlined processes, and greater speed. And looking ahead, we anticipate these procurement improvements will set a foundation for a new kind of growth.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

We are committed to moving fast in those directions so that we can both help these initiatives succeed and be successful ourselves. We're optimistic about the opportunities ahead because our Vault strategy, which stands for velocity, leadership, and technology, is aligned with the changes we are seeing across government. We have a leading position in the major technologies that will drive mission acceleration and efficiency, especially AI. We have a track record of building successful partnerships with technology firms of all sizes, from startups to hyperscalers. And we have strong positions and are working nonstop to create value in the areas that matter most, from reducing duplication and cost to increasing readiness and lethality for the warfighters defending our nation.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

Let me provide some color in each area. Starting with artificial intelligence, there is significant demand, and that demand is only increasing. In FY '25, our AI business grew over 30% year over year to approximately $800,000,000. As AI becomes increasingly foundational to how the government operates, agencies are investing more and moving toward enterprise scale implementation. In defense and intelligence, AI is now embedded in mission workflows, enabling faster imagery analysis through computer vision, enhancing decision making through tailored generative models, and delivering autonomous solutions at the tip of the spear.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

With more than a decade of investment and hands on implementation experience, Booz Allen is well positioned to lead the next phase of AI transformation across the federal enterprise. Next, we are strengthening private sector partnerships and are a proud leader in the advanced technology ecosystem. We are building on a proven track record of accelerating the adoption of technologies that produce impactful mission outcomes. We recently announced we are combining our expertise in AI and five and six with NVIDIA's transformative technologies to accelerate the delivery of edge applications. We also continue to invest in early stage technology companies through Booz Allen Ventures.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

We believe that we are stronger together, which is why we will continue developing our technologies and combine our strength with others. Lastly, we are continuing to share our big ideas, working in partnership with our customers and the private sector. For example, we are talking to multiple agencies about cloud migration and consolidation. We have big ideas for transitioning thousands of data centers to a cloud based architecture to make data more accessible. The private sector has already done this, and we've seen that it's more efficient, cheaper, and more secure, all of which aligns with administration's vision.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

Importantly, making data more readily available is also crucial for our warfighters because it allows us to apply advanced AI tools to increase their readiness and lethality. One way we are doing this is by collaborating with the United States Army. We are building an AI enabled tech tactical software system to more quickly recognize targets and generate call for fire missions. The prototype can reduce the time to respond to threats from fifteen minutes to one minute. The bottom line is this.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

We understand our customers' mission needs, and we have the technical expertise to deliver solutions that not only meet those needs, but also anticipate what's next. That gives me great confidence in Booz Allen's ability to maximize the opportunities ahead and provide the advanced technologies America needs to thrive. So in this period of transformation for Booz Allen and our nation, we will accelerate by focusing on the following operating priorities for FY twenty six. We are resetting and restructuring our civil business, so it returns to growth rapidly after an adjustment period in the coming months. We are positioning ourselves to lead the way and capture major outcome based opportunities.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

This includes reimagining how we deliver our work, such as using AI to accelerate software development, increase our value, and reduce cost to the government. We are directing significant resources to the areas that will best position us This includes missions in INDOPACOM and space, as well as critical technologies like AgenTik AI, Quantum, and software defined communications. We are rapidly advancing our partnerships with established technology firms and new entrants. This entails going to market together to provide novel solutions as well as becoming their scaling partner as they capture demand across their broader markets.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

And finally, we are continuing to create efficiencies in our own business so we can move faster, invest more, and realize greater shareholder value even in a volatile environment. To wrap things up, I hope that you will take three things away from my remarks this morning. First and foremost, Booz Allen is not standing still to see what happens next. We are moving aggressively to lead the way in a changing market. Second, we are strategically advantaged.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

We have been investing ahead of these changes both in our own positions and in the critical partnerships that will be required. And third, we're on the side of change. We are committed to America's priority missions and to enabling a more nimble and efficient federal government. For all these reasons, and while recognizing that there are challenges ahead, the people of Booz Allen are energized, and we are optimistic. We are ready to meet this moment. And with that, Matt, over to you.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Thank you, Horacio. Good morning, everyone. I also wanna take a moment to express my sincere appreciation for the hard work and dedication of Booz Allen's people. We are in a period of rapid change. Technology is changing, our missions are changing, and our customers are changing.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Booz Allen's people continue to lean into this change. They are rising to the challenge of transforming Booz Allen and delivering the technology and mission outcomes that this country needs. I am confident that Booz Allen will continue to deliver significant value to our customers, our nation, and our shareholders. We said on our most recent earnings call that we anticipated a period of short term disruption and a slowdown in the procurement environment, particularly in our civil business, and that this would be closely followed by meaningful new growth opportunities. In his remarks, Horacio described both the disruption and the ample opportunity we are experiencing.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

You will see the impact of these two dynamics, which are beginning to overlap and are not playing out evenly across our markets in both our results for the fourth quarter of fiscal year twenty twenty five and our guidance for fiscal year twenty twenty six. Before we dive into the quarter, I'd like to cover the highlights of our overall performance for fiscal year twenty twenty five. Please turn to page five. For the full fiscal year, we delivered over 12% revenue growth, nearly all of it organic. Ran the business efficiently, enabling us to deliver another year of double digit profit growth.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Our adjusted EBITDA increased 12% to $1,315,000,000 This yielded an adjusted EBITDA margin of 11%. Adjusted diluted earnings per share grew over 15%, driven by increased profitability and a lower share count. We generated robust free cash flow of $911,000,000 We deployed a total of $1,200,000,000 of capital to generate shareholder value, including repurchasing about 4.3% of our shares outstanding since the beginning of the fiscal year. We did this while maintaining a net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio of 2.4 times. And finally, as Rascio noted, with this performance, we exceeded the ambitious multiyear investment thesis targets we put out at our twenty twenty one Investor Day.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

This was done almost entirely through organic performance and leaves us ample balance sheet capacity to generate incremental shareholder returns in the future. In summary, we delivered yet another excellent fiscal year. I will now turn to our fourth quarter performance. In the fourth quarter, we delivered solid results. For the quarter, top line revenue grew 7% year over year to $3,000,000,000 Almost all of this was organic.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Revenue excluding billable expenses was up 6% year over year. For the fourth quarter, growth was driven by strong performance in our defense and intel businesses, where revenue was up 145%, respectively, versus the prior year. Our defense business continues to deliver cutting edge technical and mission outcomes that are critical to the warfighter and to our nation's efforts to deter our adversaries. Our intel business continues to gain momentum as we are solving some of the nation's most challenging technical and intelligence problems. We anticipate that both our defense and intel businesses will continue to exhibit strong organic growth in fiscal year twenty twenty six.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

For the past few quarters, we have described a slowdown in the civil procurement and spending environment. Over the last few months, these trends accelerated. Since the April, we have seen a reduction in run rate on five of our large civil technology projects that we believe will collectively create about a 3% headwind to firm wide revenue for fiscal year twenty twenty six. As Rasio noted, these forces have limited our ability to redeploy staff in the near term, including talent rolling off one of our civil contracts that ended last fiscal year, the previously disclosed recompete that we lost at the VA. The impact of this loss now represents an additional approximately 3% headwind to our consolidated top line for FY 'twenty six.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

As a result of these factors, year over year revenue in Civil was flat in the fourth quarter, and we now anticipate that our Civil business will see a revenue decline in the low double digits in FY twenty six. However, we do anticipate our Civil business will rebound as a number of big transformation and efficiency initiatives for our Civil customers are already beginning to take shape. Pivoting now to demand, net bookings for the quarter totaled $2,100,000,000 resulting in a quarterly book to bill of 0.71 times, in line with historical averages. This brought our trailing twelve month book to bill to 1.39 times, above our trailing five year average of 1.28 times. We ended the year with a record year end backlog of $37,000,000,000 up 15% year over year.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Our qualified pipeline for fiscal year twenty twenty six is $53,400,000,000 This is below our record qualified pipeline for fiscal year twenty twenty five, but importantly, is higher than our pipeline for fiscal year twenty twenty four. Given market dynamics, in the short term, we anticipate that there will be more variability in converting bookings to revenue than we have seen in previous years. That said, we believe we have the backlog, the pipeline, and the big ideas for customer transformation needed to support our medium and long term growth aspirations. On the talent front, Booz Allen closed the fiscal year with nearly 36,000 employees. Our customer facing staff grew 4.2% year over year.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Due to the contract impacts we've described, we anticipate that we will see an approximately 7% reduction in Booz Allen staff in the first quarter. This is very heavily concentrated in our Civil business. We are moving aggressively to rightsize our talent base, both to match immediate contract level demand and to reshape our workforce for the future. This decision was painful. But by taking this action, we have ensured we have both the capacity to invest in growth and the right talent to deliver against future mission needs.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Turning now to profitability, adjusted EBITDA grew to $316,000,000 up 10.5% over the prior year quarter. This translated to an adjusted EBITDA margin of 10.6%, up 30 basis points over the prior year's quarter. Working down the P and L, our net income was $193,000,000 50 1 percent higher year over year, and adjusted net income was $2.00 $3,000,000 up 17% from this time last fiscal year. Diluted earnings per share was 1.52 per share, a 55% increase from the prior year period. Adjusted diluted earnings per share was $1.61 per share, up 21% year over year.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

The increase in fourth quarter ADEPS was driven by our overall profitability, a reduction in share count and a gain from the close of the sale of Snap Attack. This was slightly offset by higher net interest Transitioning to the balance sheet, we ended the fiscal year with $885,000,000 of cash on hand, net debt of $3,100,000,000 and a net leverage ratio of 2.4 times adjusted EBITDA for the trailing twelve months. During Q4, we executed a $650,000,000 bond issuance. This transaction was well received by the credit markets and provides us with additional liquidity and the capacity to opportunistically deploy capital. Free cash flow for the quarter was $194,000,000 the result of $218,000,000 of cash from operations, less $24,000,000 of CapEx.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Moving now to capital deployment. During the quarter, we deployed a total of $4.00 $3,000,000 to generate value for shareholders. This included $310,000,000 in share repurchases at an average price of $118.96 per share. We also made $23,000,000 in strategic investments, including our recently announced investment in Shield AI. And finally, we paid $70,000,000 in quarterly dividends.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Today, we are pleased to announce that our board of directors has approved a quarterly dividend of 55¢ per share, which will be payable on June 27 to stockholders of record as of June 11. We continue to have a very strong balance sheet. This gives us flexibility in how we operate our business and the ability to deploy capital in response to the evolving environment in ways that generate additional value for shareholders. Now please turn to page nine, where we provide our outlook for fiscal year twenty twenty six. As Rossio acknowledged, today's environment is extremely dynamic.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

We have less visibility into the forces that will shape business performance than we typically have at this point in our fiscal year. Our fiscal year twenty twenty six outlook is informed by our current assessment of the many factors that will drive performance. This includes anticipated growth in our defense and intel businesses and a near term reset of our Civil portfolio. Our fiscal year twenty twenty six guidance is as follows: We expect to deliver revenue between $12,000,000,000 and $12,500,000,000 We expect to generate adjusted EBITDA dollars in the range of $1,315,000,000 to $1,370,000,000 This implies a full year adjusted EBITDA margin of about 11%, on par with fiscal year twenty twenty five. We expect ADEPS to be in the range of $6.20 per share to $6.55 per share.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

This assumes an adjusted effective tax rate between 2325%, as well as a marginally higher interest expense. It does not assume any impact from our venture investments. Lastly, we expect free cash flow to be between $700,000,000 and $800,000,000 As we forecast our growth cadence for the full year, we anticipate that revenue and profit growth will be comparatively lower in the first half, particularly in our second quarter, given the strong prior year comps and the impact of the onetime actions we have described today. We then anticipate a meaningful reacceleration in the second half. This is based on the strength of our backlog, the size of significant recent wins in our opportunity pipeline, and the expectation of a meaningful uptick in hiring.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

In closing, we could not be prouder of how we finished fiscal year twenty twenty five, the final year of our investment thesis. Our results show our relentless focus on the mission, on operational excellence, and on generating shareholder value. Booz Allen continues to transform. While cognizant of the uncertainty in our environment, we are excited about our strategic direction, our alignment to the government's mission priorities, and our central position in the evolving technology ecosystem. We remain very optimistic about the future. With that, operator, let's open the line for questions.

Operator

And thank you. And as a reminder, to ask a question, simply press 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. And it comes from the line of Gavin Parsons with UBS. Please proceed.

Gavin Parsons
Gavin Parsons
Director - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at UBS Group

Hey. Thanks, guys. Good morning.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

Good morning.

Gavin Parsons
Gavin Parsons
Director - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at UBS Group

In this environment of unpredictable, I guess, descoping and and and cancellations, how do you get comfortable that, you know, kind of you you've got your arms around the impact and that there's not potentially more to come throughout the year?

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

Hey, Gavin. Thanks for the question. Let me try and frame the entirety of what we see and and try and answer your question from that perspective. I'll start by saying, you know, very proud of the last year, very proud of the last three years, and our ability to demonstrate significant shareholder value creation through what was already a changing environment. You know, as we look at the world now, we are seeing two sets of overlapping dynamics.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

One set of dynamics is, as we said in the prepared remarks, our civil business is going through this, what we hope, we believe will be a onetime reset, where most of the reviews have been concluded very positively regarding our technology and our work. But we're facing this, deceleration at a time where procurements are still somewhat frozen. The other side of the dynamic is continued strength in our defense business and growing strength in our intelligence business. So that's sort of one set of dynamics. And the other dynamic is while we are seeing we have seen, especially in civil, some of these resets, which, by the way, was mostly, as we pointed out, the the the slowdown in spending against a few technology contracts, there have been relatively few and far between, call it 1% of our portfolio that has been outright canceled.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

That really tracks to what the 1% of our portfolio that we did was actually consulting type programs, which is really legacy work that we were doing. And then the other side of it is we are beginning first of all, defense and intel, we're still winning work against a strong procurement environment. And even in civil, we're beginning to see opportunities take shape that that we will take advantage of. So so our approach has been to take a, you know, significant restructuring in our civil business now so that we are positioned to grow and so that we can invest across the portfolio where, again, the one p and l really helps us. And and because the environment in defense and intel is so dynamic and there is you know, the procurement activity is still strong, we're in a position to absorb things there as well and continue a strong growth vector as we see it right now.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

And then ultimately, from a strategy standpoint, as we pointed out, we believe we are extraordinarily well aligned and well positioned against both the key missions, the key technologies, and the major major opportunities we see in the horizon.

Gavin Parsons
Gavin Parsons
Director - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at UBS Group

Thank you. I'll leave it at one. Appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Colleen Kenfield with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please proceed.

Colin Canfield
Director at Cantor Fitzgerald

Hey, maybe if we could talk about some of the comments you made around kind of RESET and what your expectation is on the multiyear growth environment, maybe just kind of digging into how you think about kind of defense and civil and kind of where we stand on the reality of FY25 versus FY26 request and kind of what you're hearing from congressional folks. Then also maybe Matt, if you could talk about kind of how you think about repurchases and what the bogey is for the year. Thanks.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

So why don't I start with sort of the macro level and then maybe Christine can talk a little bit about each one of our markets then Matt will will cover the the back your second question, I guess. You know, I I think the way we see the environment very much matches the way we're seeing the budgetary environment. Right? I mean, the the the bill that is is making its way to the senate as we speak has a significant plus up for defense. And and at the same time, the the the stated priority about reducing spending discretionary spending on some of the civil agencies and actions that have already taken place is is what we are talking about.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

So, you know, our our our civil business, I think, has already gone through the majority of its reviews. And in in defense and in intel, this is what we're seeing. Doubling down on priorities around Indo Pacific, where, as you know, Booz Allen has very strong footprint and a lot of growth opportunity in space, both in programs that are already underway where we have strong place and opportunities around Golden Dome where we believe we have unique technology and capability to bring to bear. And then the defense of the homeland, which is really around the, you know, especially the southern border and which is the integration of not just defense, but defense intelligence analysis, and certainly the civil agencies that are primarily responsible. So and then what they're trying to do there is is primarily inject technology.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

A lot of commercial technology, AgenTik AI, you know, the discussion has really moved away from whether AI was important to national security to how fast can we implement AI in national security. And Booz Allen, again, has a tremendous track record there.

Kristine Anderson
Kristine Anderson
Executive VP & COO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Yeah. I would say, for our civil business in particular, while there have been some slowdowns in contracts, it really reflects the administration's desire to tackle really big challenges, really advancing the tech even faster. And we've been very excited about the opportunity to present our ideas. And so we have developed and are in discussions with the government on tens of big ideas and we're getting really positive responses. It's actually pretty exciting to be asked to extend some successful advanced tech solutions in one mission to others.

Kristine Anderson
Kristine Anderson
Executive VP & COO at Booz Allen Hamilton

And we were ready, right? We had already been piloting both AI assisted coding and AgenTeq AI on large software programs that's almost insatiable in its requirements, and we were able to lean into the call for efficiencies and move past the pilot to full production across the program. So it's a win win win for us, the government, and the Americans that are served by that program. And then also in defense and intel, the business is very strong and we are very aligned with the administration's priorities to counter China and protect the homeland. We are anticipating that our counterterrorism expertise will position us really well against this sophisticated threat.

Kristine Anderson
Kristine Anderson
Executive VP & COO at Booz Allen Hamilton

And we have also presented very big, bold ideas there as well and are in discussions around them.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Hey, Gavin. I'll take your balance sheet capital deployment question. Obviously, balance sheet continues to be a strength of ours. We deployed a billion two last year and basically maintain leverage. The strength of our organic growth over the past couple of years allowed us to deploy a lot of capital to generate value for shareholder.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

And I think we've demonstrated our ability both to deploy capital consistently across the board, but also to be flexible inside the various modalities of capital deployment to deploy where we think we can generate the most value. Yeah, we've shown that we will buy back our shares. We believe that it's good value for shareholders. We're still committed to M and A, more biased to tuck in than ever given how rapidly the technology market is changing, and our need to continue to invest to acquire technologies that are leading edge and will advance and accelerate our strategic objectives. I do think you'll see us lean in a little bit more on the venture side as well.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

We've gotten tremendous value. We're beginning to see on the financial side, but really on the strategic side from our venture investments. It's part of our long term commitment to be a commercial technology accelerator. I think that's one of the macro trends that Horacio and Christine referenced where we've really been at the forefront. And I think you'll see us accelerate that as well.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

But, you know, committed to deploying capital share share repurchases, you know, obviously is is an important lever there.

Colin Canfield
Director at Cantor Fitzgerald

Got it. Thank you for the color.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And it comes from Sheila Kahyaoglu with Jefferies. Please proceed.

Sheila Kahyaoglu
Sheila Kahyaoglu
Aerospace & Defense and Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group

Good morning, Horacio, Matt, and Christine. Thank you. So maybe if we could start two questions for you guys and you could hear me okay?

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Can you speak a little louder? It's a little quiet in the room.

Sheila Kahyaoglu
Sheila Kahyaoglu
Aerospace & Defense and Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group

Oh sorry about that. So maybe if we could talk about the low double digit decline for Civil in fiscal twenty six. You know how do we think about the catalyst for that stability in the business we're talking about second half improving and TTAMS is maybe a few points of that how do we think about other program specifics that are driving it and when do you think about the improvement in civil again?

Kristine Anderson
Kristine Anderson
Executive VP & COO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Yeah, the vast majority, as Horacio mentioned, of our civil programs have already been reviewed. And I would remark that we weren't targeted in those reviews. What we saw was agencies and departments looking at their full portfolio with targets in mind whether it was on or off the GSA list. This is really agency driven. And our tech and our talent fared really well in those reviews, but there has been a short term slowdown in the actual burn rates as they start to position for some of the transformation objectives that they have in bringing new tech in.

Kristine Anderson
Kristine Anderson
Executive VP & COO at Booz Allen Hamilton

And so our view overall is that to win in that environment, you need three things to be true. One, the tech needs to be excellent and we have received really high marks for our technical work and the quality of our people. Second, you have to have a vision around how that tech will evolve in a direction that makes sense to commercial tech leaders that come from outside government. And so, for example, our cloud, our AI assisted coding, and our AgenTeq AI have been recognized, and that's already leading to new opportunities. And third, you have to be willing to convert your contracts to outcome space, particularly in Civil, and we've been a long term champion of that shift because we love that agility and flexibility that you get in the tech staff and staffing.

Kristine Anderson
Kristine Anderson
Executive VP & COO at Booz Allen Hamilton

So the the pivot part really comes from being able to extend those capabilities, to accelerate, the mission areas.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

Hey, Sheila. I I would, the only thing I would add to that, and it's yeah. I think, you know, two thoughts. First of all, I think we're our thought process is we wanted to do a onetime reset and restructuring of our civil business so it can regain a growth trajectory as as quickly as possible, you know, because of the a lot of it is happening in quarter. It may take, you know, through next quarter to to work itself through the financials, but we're beginning, as Christine said, to to see the opportunities.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

And then the other thing is, as with any new administration, you know, the the the the procurement environment slowed down significantly, almost frozen a number of these agencies, as because, you know, the the below cabinet level positions had not been filled, and people were waiting to see what the specific agendas were. Now that those are beginning to get flushed out, we're getting strong indication that that our because our tech works, and we're so positioned against the things that that they're trying to do that we're gonna see growth in the second half.

Sheila Kahyaoglu
Sheila Kahyaoglu
Aerospace & Defense and Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group

Got it. And then maybe if we could just talk about your typical revenue algorithm. It's usually based on headcount and some salary composition. So how do we think about the down 7% in q one for headcount? I think that was total company.

Sheila Kahyaoglu
Sheila Kahyaoglu
Aerospace & Defense and Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group

How do we bridge that to the revenue of flat to up low single digits?

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Yeah. Sure. I'll thanks. I'll I'll I'll start. And you're correct.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

7% was was total company, but but very heavily concentrated in our civil business. I think, look, our business is changing. And there are three dynamics where or three areas where the quote unquote traditional algorithm may look a little different than what we've experienced in the past. The first we referenced in the prepared remarks, you know, we're actually winning a lot of work, right? Our book to bill last quarter was point seven times, very much in line with historical averages.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

And, you know, just to give you a dollar figure, that's about a little over $2,000,000,000 in work we won. And we're actually, we won a lot of work this quarter, particularly in our defense and intel space. We anticipate that our book to bill this quarter will be in line, if not better than historic norms. So but the first thing we we referenced is the conversion of backlog and bookings to near term revenue, I think will be a little bit more variable than we've seen in the past just because, you know, there's less consistency in in sort of in year spending actions. That's one.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

The second is with the move to outcome based contracting, you know, we talked about that for years. We've been very much an advocate for it. It's good for us, good for the government. You know, over time, you'd expect that to be accretive to margins. And then the third is what you referenced, which is, you know, the traditional headcount math.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

I think we've talked about for the majority of our business, that's not fixed price. Typically, the algorithm is headcount growth plus 3%. Given that the preponderance of the headcount reductions we are seeing is in our civil business and that is less, it's more fixed price. It's less dependent on billing by the hour. I'm not sure you're gonna see it exact, you know, you're just not gonna hold exactly to the historical equations.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

But, you know, I think you're just gonna break that math a little bit, but it's still, you know, a very good predictor in our defense and intel business. Headcount tends to be the best predictor in the near term of what revenue looks like. But, you know, when you add it all up, particularly given the year over year comps from last year, where we had a strong first half, we do expect our first half this year to be a little bit more under pressure, but to see acceleration in the back half, particularly as hiring picks up and we get through this period of resetting and rebalancing.

Kristine Anderson
Kristine Anderson
Executive VP & COO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Yeah. Would add that we're always hiring. Right? Every month, we're adding hundreds of employees. We do expect to add significant headcount in the second half of the year, and we have really matured our AI enabled advanced tech solution that we use for recruiting and deployment of staff.

Kristine Anderson
Kristine Anderson
Executive VP & COO at Booz Allen Hamilton

And so we're looking to be even more effective at that this year.

Sheila Kahyaoglu
Sheila Kahyaoglu
Aerospace & Defense and Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And it is from the line of Ronald Epstein with Bank of America. Please proceed.

Ronald Epstein
Ronald Epstein
Senior Research Analyst - Aerospace & Defense Electronics at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Yeah. Hey, guys. I'm on for Mariana today as she's traveling. Maybe just a couple of things. And and you alluded to it a little bit earlier.

Ronald Epstein
Ronald Epstein
Senior Research Analyst - Aerospace & Defense Electronics at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

If, you know, if the government's looking for more commercial terms, in in defense, how do you invest in the the right things to do that? How are you set up to do that? It it does seem like in the defense market, the government is looking at different ways of of contracting, and there's a a bigger push for commercial terms. So and how do you think about it, and how does that impact your business?

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

Hey, Ron. Yeah. I I'll I'll start. The I think the trend that you're pointing out is one that we've been tracking for a while, and it's actually accelerating. I think this is why, you know, we have built partnerships and made investments all the way from hyperscalers to to the start ups and and everything and everyone in between, and we've been doing that for a while.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

I think it's fair to say, and you'd have to ask them, but I think I'll I'll say it, that that we are the preferred player in terms of helping these commercial solutions get missionized in a way that that they make sense, that we have created the capacity and the ability to cocreate with them. I often talk about the fact that, for example, even edge cloud solutions that that have been created for the commercial markets assume a degree of connectivity that doesn't happen in space and doesn't happen underwater and doesn't happen in, you know, EW challenged environments. And we have built our own tech to put on top of their stack to solve those kinds of problems, and we're recognized for that. So we actually both have been a proponent in welcoming the this notion. And as Dennis might pointed out, more recently, because we have such good relationships with many of these firms, they're coming to us more broadly to talk about help us scale.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

Help us think about what are all the things we need to do that that will make us bigger and better. We're making investments in some of these companies like we've done directly with Shield. And and our our venture portfolio of startups is is, you know, is really performing very well in all of that. So when I look at all of it, this notion of commercial tech being more aggressively utilized in in in defense is is a net positive to Booz Allen given that that we're partnering with them to create those solutions.

Ronald Epstein
Ronald Epstein
Senior Research Analyst - Aerospace & Defense Electronics at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Got it. Got it. And then and then maybe as a follow on, and I think I think Sheila was getting at this, but maybe softer, but I'll be more direct. It does seem like at least perception that you guys have a branding issue. Meaning, every kind of article that we saw about those and consulting and government, you know, contractors and so on and so forth, you see pictures of Booz Allen.

Ronald Epstein
Ronald Epstein
Senior Research Analyst - Aerospace & Defense Electronics at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Booz Allen pops up all over the place. Yeah. Seemingly, at least from my vantage point, that seems unfair. But that being said, why do you think that's the case? And and what do you do about it, about pivoting into maybe a better spotlight in the government?

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

You know, I I think I I would say a couple of things about this. First of all, I think when when when you're the market leader, you're the most interesting to write about. And so we have the distinct pleasure of being written about a lot. And as you know, we we tend to be relatively humble and quiet about our own communications, and we've always wanted our customers to take the credit for for the win because, ultimately, you know, it's certainly their decisions to make and and our tech supports them. So we found ourselves in in in that reality, and the the what we do about it is we're we've gotten a lot better at telling our story.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

I think that's resonated. We you know, some of it is what you see in terms of us being in the media more and having a lot more conversations and clarifying our positioning as an advanced technology company. And and I think that's that's working. But, also, the part you don't see is the number of conversations we are having with people across administration and the relationships that we're building. And I and I I think as Christine pointed out, this true certainly in our civil business, but it's it's it's true more broadly.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

I think once people start to really interact with the technology that we've built, that speaks much louder than a newspaper article ever could. And so, you know, we're we're, I think, emerging from from that transition with, you know, with our brand ultimately is gonna be strengthened as a result of of all of the scrutiny.

Ronald Epstein
Ronald Epstein
Senior Research Analyst - Aerospace & Defense Electronics at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Got it. Alright. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Louie DiPalma with William Blair.

Louie Dipalma
Research Analyst at William Blair

Horatio, Matt, Christina, and Dustin, good morning.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

Hey, Louie. Good morning.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Good morning.

Louie Dipalma
Research Analyst at William Blair

You have several, large AI contracts, including the the Joint Warfighter National Mission Initiative, EMAP two point o and and Edvana. And it seems these programs have experienced tremendous success over the years and and very wide adoption. Are you still excited about the future of these programs? I think you mentioned how your AI business has grown to over 800,000,000. But, with a lot of the scrutiny, has there been any any changes to your optimism for your AI business, particularly with the the Department of Defense? Thanks.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

I'll I'm happy to start with that. I Louie, I I think the AI is a strength of Booz Allen. I think people recognize it, and it's it's the, you know and it's it's more and more embedded. You know, there there are certain programs that early on were sort of the leaders in terms of implementing AI capabilities, but AI is now embedded in just about everything that we do. And as I mentioned before, we're not seeing AI as a question of, well, is this good for the mission?

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

Will it ever get adopted? Will, you know, the Department of Defense adopt AI? I think all those bridges have been crossed. The question now is how quickly, how do you bring the right technologies, how do you make commercial technology both safe, reliable, and secure enough to be able to use it against some of these missions. And, again, we have a track record of doing that that is second to none.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

And then as we look forward, I would point you to the fact that the move to AgenTeq AI is going to be really transformational for the global economy, for America, and certainly for our national security missions. And we have what I believe is a leading position there, and we've done some stuff on our own research side that that is really breakthrough physical AI, which is, you know, sort of the key to autonomy, the to digital twins, the the key to being able to simulate and and and put AI into the field a lot faster. Significant upside there for Booz Allen. And then the third area that that, you know, we've been talking about for a while and I think is starting to get recognized is this topic of adversarial AI. And, you know, the the the reality is all of these models and all these AI capabilities are tremendous and create a potential new attack surface.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

The and and we are at the leading edge of of making sure we know how to defend AI models and AI infrastructure from ATT CK. And then that'll take me to the last point, which is you you've tracked our cyber business for quite some time. The I talked before about convergence between cyber and AI and then cyber and AI in space. And, again, these are areas where we are doing some some really cool leading edge stuff. We you know, you probably saw that that we have now upgraded our presence in in AI in space by moving SpaceLAMA to the research side of the International Space Station.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

Again, that's a research project, but it demonstrates both that it can be done and that we know how to do it. So so, yes, I am extraordinarily optimistic about the future of AI and Booz Allen's role in it.

Louie Dipalma
Research Analyst at William Blair

Great. And I guess drilling a little deeper, with Edvana, do you expect to continue, to be the main delivery partner with Edvana? And similarly with with Thunderdome, you just mentioned cybersecurity and and Zero Trust, and, you know, you're partnering with several commercial vendors there. For these big programs that you are, you know, providing your own, you know, unique code and and software stack on top of existing commercial offerings, do you expect to continue to, you know, add that value for the DOD?

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

You know, in both of those cases, and in many others, frankly, I I think the reason that these programs have been so successful is that we did not start from scratch is that we took the best commercial technology and work that we've done and technology that we built to create, you know, complete solutions that really address mission needs. And and, you know, I think that these programs are are standing the the test of both the quality of the what they're providing and the impact on mission. And so we are, you know, bullish about our ability to continue to work there, to incorporate newer and more commercial technology into these missions so that they can run more efficiently, more effectively, more cheaply, faster, and and all of the above. And, you know, that's we don't stand still. So we're we're certainly working hard.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

And, Louie, I would just add that Right. ThunderDome in particular, but but also a number of other large technology programs, we're working actively to convert them to outcome based because I think that, you know, these programs are ripe given the nature of what we do. And as you said, the fact that we are increasingly adding on our own technology, building under the tech stack of others, and playing a foundational role in generating real products and solutions around these. Outcome based contracting is the future, and we look forward to, you know, continuing to work with our customers across the board to drive that across our large technology projects.

Louie Dipalma
Research Analyst at William Blair

Great. Thanks, everyone. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Scott Miccos with Melius Research. Please proceed.

Scott Mikus
Director – Aerospace, Defense & Space Research at Melius Research LLC

Good morning. Horacio, in the wake of the Budget Control Act 2011 and sequestration, there was obviously a lot of consolidation in the industry. It seems like if the government wants to actually drive efficiencies, they probably need to consolidate a lot of contracts. So do you expect this to drive a push or another wave of consolidation among the government services providers?

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

You know, I I I think this is let me start by saying, I mean, if you really look at this industry, it's actually quite fragmented. You know, the I I think if you aggregate it, what's the concentration, the top number of players in totality, amount of single digit of the of the available market. And so when there are processes like like this, there are people that take share. There are people that lose share, and and there's changes to the industry. I think that the significant changes that that we are seeing that I spoke to before is you have new defense tech companies coming in very strong to to create and and drive solutions that at speed that that weren't there before, and we're looking strongly to to align with that.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

But, you know, as I think I as I look at Booz Allen in all of this, I'll I'll, I guess, I'll I'll make the three points that that I made earlier. I I we are being aggressive. The the fact is we have a strong balance sheet, but more importantly, we are not standing still to continue to to position and reposition ourselves and drive shareholder value. We're strategically advantaged because a lot of the things that we did under Volt are really becoming essential now to to delivering the mission, and we are not we're on the side of change and of looking for ways to to add increasing value to all the missions that that we support. And so when I look at all of that, you know, I this current fiscal year, as as as as we've said, is a challenging year, especially in our civil business.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

But as I look at the medium and the long term, a few quarters out, I am very optimistic that the things that are changing in the environment will actually allow us to be extremely successful.

Scott Mikus
Director – Aerospace, Defense & Space Research at Melius Research LLC

Okay. And then thinking about the non client facing headcount, I think it was down a hundred people quarter over quarter. And you called out the 7% headcount reduction in the first quarter. That's largely in your Civil business, but your margin guide is flat year over year. Is there upside to the margin or EBITDA guidance if you reduce that non client facing headcount more?

Scott Mikus
Director – Aerospace, Defense & Space Research at Melius Research LLC

Do you get to keep those savings or do they end up being passed back to the customer?

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

Yeah. We've been, like, aggressively managing our the totality of our cost structure. You know, I'll remind you that, you know, historically our civil business because it is more fixed price in nature has been more profitable than the average. So we're really pleased that we're able to manage our cost base in a way that will maintain margins, even while we're resetting our civil business, but also honestly, the capacity to invest and grow because, you know, we're continuing to invest ahead of the business, both in building new technologies and bring on exciting new technical talent. And in a lot of the partnerships with commercial and technology and defense technology companies that Horacio described.

Matt Calderone
Matt Calderone
EVP & CFO at Booz Allen Hamilton

So, you know, we've been getting a lot leaner over the past few years and getting scale out of the business. We anticipate continuing to do so, But I would not anticipate near term upside in the margins. As we talked about, you know, long term as we shift to outcome based, there is potential there, but I wouldn't expect that in the near term.

Scott Mikus
Director – Aerospace, Defense & Space Research at Melius Research LLC

Okay. Thanks for taking the questions and enjoy the long weekend.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And this concludes our Q and A session. I will turn it back to Horace Ozymanski for final remarks.

Horacio Rozanski
Horacio Rozanski
Chair, CEO & President at Booz Allen Hamilton

Thank you, Carmen, and thank you all for your questions and for being here with us this morning. I hope that Matt and Christine and I conveyed both a sense of our near term priorities and also our optimism about what's ahead for our people, for our customers, and for our investors. We are on the positive side of change. We're strategically positioned for an era of tech driven growth, And we're doubling down on what Booz Allen does best, which is using advanced technology to keep America strong and safe. And I appreciate all of you being part of how we do that, and, thank you for joining us today.

Operator

And thank you all for participating, and you may now disconnect.

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