Sono-Tek Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 28, 2025

There are 9 speakers on the call.

Operator

Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr.

Operator

Karen Smith with PCG Advisory. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Chuck, and thank you everyone for joining us today. Sonatec released their fourth quarter and full year fiscal '20 '20 '5 results this morning. If you don't have a copy of the release, please go to the company's website at sonatec.com and click on the Press ReleasesNews tab in the Investors section. The product market and geography sales tables on the last page of the release will be part of today's discussion. With me on the call today are Doctor.

Speaker 1

Chris Cochio, Sonotech's Executive Chairman Steve Harshbarger, CEO and President and Steve Bagley, Chief Financial Officer. Before turning the call over to management, I would like to make the following remarks concerning forward looking statements. Please note that various remarks that may be made on this conference call about future expectations, plans and prospects for the company constitute forward looking statements for the purposes of Safe Harbor provisions under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may vary materially from those indicated by these forward looking statements as a result of various important factors, including those discussed in the company's filings with the SEC. The company assumes no obligation to update the information contained in this conference call.

Speaker 1

As a reminder, Sonatec currently holds two earnings calls per fiscal year. This is our fiscal year twenty twenty five call for the full year ended 02/28/2025. Our next earnings call will be our mid year call for the six months ended 08/31/2025 and will be held this October. I would now like to turn the call over to Chris Cocciel, Executive Chairman, Sonatec. Chris, please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Good morning and thank you, Kieran. Thank you everyone for joining us. Today, we're going to discuss our fourth quarter and full year fiscal twenty twenty five results that were released this morning before the market opened. I will begin with opening remarks and then Steve Harshbarger, CEO and President will go through a deeper business and operational review followed by Steve Bagley, our Chief Financial Officer. He will provide a financial review.

Speaker 2

Following their comments, we'll open up the call for your questions. Now for those of you newer investors in our company, Sonotech developed a revolutionary method of applying precision thin film coatings several decades ago. This proprietary technology involves the use of our advanced high frequency ultrasonic nozzles. They are incorporated into specialty motion systems and they are able to achieve uniform micron and nano thin coatings onto our customers' products. Our unique value proposition is that our thin film coating machines provide dramatic savings of the expensive liquids being applied.

Speaker 2

They are environmentally friendly by minimizing material usage and reducing overspray. Importantly, this often helps companies comply with increasingly stringent government regulations aimed at reducing hazardous waste entering the environment. But the key advantage of our ultrasonic coating systems is the ability to apply precision thin films. They are vitally important in today's world with thousands of products and micro components now requiring a functional or protective coating to be added to them. The strategic shift that we made several years ago to offer more complex and complete solutions has meaningfully broadened our addressable market.

Speaker 2

That has resulted in significant growth in our average unit selling prices. Our larger machines now commonly sell for over $300,000 and system prices can reach $1,000,000 or more. That can significantly impact quarterly revenue. Additionally, our move into the clean energy sector is showing transformative results in next generation solar cells, fuel cells and green hydrogen generation and carbon capture applications as we help shape a sustainable future with our customers. This is what we started to see in the past fiscal year where we saw our largest customer order in our history and that was followed by an additional order of the same magnitude two weeks later.

Speaker 2

The New Year presents some changes and challenges and uncertainties for most businesses, such as changes taking place in relationships with our trading partners and the redirection of climate policy related government spending. On the trade issues, Sonoset builds our key ultrasonic hardware at our factory in Milton, New York and most other materials are U. S.-based, so we see little concern there. On the export side, more than half of our current sales are to The U. S.

Speaker 2

Market and we have been exposed to tariffs in certain other countries for many years. So we could be affected for better or for worse depending on the outcome of negotiations taking place. Clean Energy continues to represent a significant portion of our sales. Fortunately, a large share of these sales comes from our commercial customers such as The U. S.-based solar panel manufacturer and carbon capture and conversion companies, many of which are financially supported by airlines and other corporations focused on reducing their carbon footprint.

Speaker 2

This includes efforts to develop sustainable aviation fuel and other carbon based products. While we do anticipate a decline in clean energy orders later in the year, we still expect revenue growth in the near term. This has been driven by ongoing enhancements to our equipment across all sectors including new expanded features and functionalities that are supporting sales in the medical and semiconductor markets. I'm pleased to report that we're seeing strong momentum in the medical device industry, particularly in growing interest for our high volume production systems and increased demand for our balloon coating machines that are being used for cardiac interventions. For the full year, we experienced a 4% annual revenue growth and the fourth quarter marked the fourth consecutive quarter in a row of revenue over $5,000,000 Now on top of that, our full year net income came in at $1,300,000 which was similar to the prior year.

Speaker 2

We remained encouraged by the path ahead supported by a solid backlog of $8,600,000 and expecting to see continued revenue growth and profitability in the first half of fiscal twenty twenty six. We're excited that our investments have begun to pay off. Our outlook for growth has greatly been greatly enhanced by the early success of our strategy to shift to those larger more complex systems and platforms that I mentioned for production applications and also with multiple and repeat orders. And we continue to focus on opening new markets for our unique thin film coating technology. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Now I'll go ahead and turn the call over to Steve Harshbarger, our CEO and President. Steve, please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Doctor. Coccio, and thanks everyone for joining us today. Firstly, I just want to echo Chris' enthusiasm. It's extremely gratifying to see our investments hitting their stride. Our first fiscal year our first year fiscal sales increased 4% year over year, which was in line with our guidance, which what makes it particularly noteworthy is that it comes on the heels of a very strong fiscal twenty twenty four, which benefited from a sharp rebound in demand as supply chain constraints eased.

Speaker 3

Delivering growth on top of that high baseline reflects the strength and resilience of our business. This solid performance was driven by increased demand for our integrated coating and multi axis coating systems, which are commonly used in the clean energy sector. Integrated coating system sales increased by 28% or $814,000 to $3,700,000 due to the continued success with a key strategic partner within the solar energy market. Clean energy including fuel cells, green hydrogen generation, carbon capture and advanced solar cells are markets that we've been providing our R and D and pilot lines to for close to a decade now. And we're now having success with these customers transitioning to our production scale systems as a result of prior development work they did with our team of experienced application engineers.

Speaker 3

We would like to note that while we are seeing steady demand across key markets, visibility into our full year revenue remains limited at this time due to the rapidly evolving conditions in the clean energy sector and the unknown impacts of potential tariffs within with our international customer base. The increase in revenue for the full year of fiscal year twenty twenty five was strongly influenced by shipments to a substantial customer from the clean energy sector, who received shipment of three integrated coating systems totaling almost $2,200,000 All three of these systems are really a reflection of our successful first stage results of Project Altair, which rolled the capabilities for sophisticated PLC based systems into our product offering and significantly expands our addressable market. There are eight more high ASP systems in our backlog from Project Deltara. While we are not projecting further near term orders from these customers in FY '20 '20 '6, we do remain optimistic about potential future demand dependent on the customer's execution of expansion plans. The increase in integrated coating systems we experienced was somewhat offset by our product division, which can also fluctuate from time to time.

Speaker 3

Multi axis coating systems, which are commonly used in the clean energy and medical device markets saw sales grow 6% or $603,000 to a total of $10,700,000 for the full fiscal year. These full system solutions contain some of our newest and highest average selling price or ASP platforms. Meaningfully, expanding our capabilities to design and build internally made multi access platforms has been a focus for Sonotech over the past three years under a project we call Ares. Ares has broadened our product offering while deepening our supply chain and increasing vertical integration starting with our NovoCo multi access series machines. This is an ongoing process and we continue to build and expand our in house capabilities.

Speaker 3

Fluxing Systems dipped for the full fiscal year of 2025, largely due to weaker demand in Latin America. This decrease was driven by a general slowdown in PCB equipment sales in Mexico and the closure of a key Sonotech distributor in the region. To address this, Sonotech has onboarded and trained a new Mexican based distributor partner, which we believe will contribute to improve SprayFlexer sales in fiscal twenty twenty six. OEM sales, they were lower for the full year as expected due to the elevated inventory levels at several of our partners following early supply chain disruptions. We saw slower OEM sales through the first nine months of FY twenty twenty five followed by a recovery in the fourth quarter as customers began drawing down their excess inventory.

Speaker 3

Although total spares and services revenue dipped slightly in this past fiscal year, we did see increases in several areas of our service related revenue including reoccurring service contracts, which contributed positively to our overall performance. This really remains a focused area for growth as our expanding base of high ASP systems in the field is expected to drive future demand for reoccurring service contracts. We continue to believe that follow on service and support packages could represent as much as 10% to 15% of the original order value. Now I'll review our sales by market. Sales to the alternative clean energy market grew 64% over the prior fiscal year.

Speaker 3

These sales were positively impacted by a growing number of Sonotech customers transitioning from our R and D and pilot line machines to our production scale systems that of course carry much higher average selling prices or ASPs as I mentioned earlier. Many of our recent large contract announcements in this area are for systems used in the manufacturing of advanced solar cells and critical membranes for carbon capture, green hydrogen generation and fuel cell applications. Sales in past year included shipment of four high ASP systems to significant customers in the clean energy sector totaling $3,400,000 Our electronic sales decreased slightly by 3% for the full year versus last year and still benefited though from shipment of a newly developed coating system with wafer shuttering capabilities directing at the semiconductor market. Medical sales declined by 22% for FY 2025, primarily driven by lower demand for our stent and balloon coating systems. We are however projecting this sector to rebound strongly in FY 2026 led by the increased adoption of our balloon coating systems for some key medical device manufacturers.

Speaker 3

And as Chris mentioned, we are also pleased to report that we're seeing promising momentum in the medical sector industry as a whole, particularly in interest for our high volume production systems. Industrial sales were down 47% versus last fiscal year, partially influenced by a Float Glass coating system that shipped in the prior fiscal year and didn't repeat in the current fiscal year. And by geography, in fiscal twenty twenty five approximately 61% of our sales were to U. S. And Canadian customers.

Speaker 3

This is compared to 55% in fiscal twenty twenty four. Sales in The U. S. And Canada increased 15% or $1,630,000 driven by the delivery of five high ASP systems that totaled $3,940,000 and this is really reinforcing our strategy to provide highly complex, high volume systems with premium pricing. This represents the largest number of high ASP systems we've ever sold in a single year.

Speaker 3

Our growth in The U. S. And Canada region was partially offset by declines in other regions. Latin America sales decreased 34% or $412,000 again due to a $465,000 float glass coating system sale that went into Mexico that occurred in the prior year, but didn't repeat in the current fiscal twenty twenty five. Asian sales declined 16% or 510,000 influenced by continued weak demand from China, where sales fell to $522,000 in fiscal twenty twenty five from $775,000 in fiscal twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3

China now represents approximately 2.5% of total sales and this is really down significantly from its historic peak. EMEA sales increased 2% or $98,000 supported by multiple system shipments to customers in the green energy sector. And as we look ahead to fiscal twenty twenty six, we closed Q4 of FY twenty twenty five with a solid equipment and service related backlog of 8,600,000 While certainly not at record levels, it represents a healthy starting point for the year and reflects encouraging order activity. This backlog includes two orders of $2,950,000 each that we announced over the past year, marking the largest orders in Sonotech's histories. We attribute the increase in sales and strong backlog as a direct result of our investments in R and D with a strong focus on product expansion.

Speaker 3

For the full year, we invested $2,700,000 in R and D compared to $2,900,000 in the prior fiscal year. In closing, we expect the first half of FY twenty twenty five with continued sales growth and profitability supported by our solid backlog and steady demand across key markets. While visibility into the full year revenue remains limited at this time, we do still remain confident in our long term growth prospects. Our momentum stems from our deliberate strategic shift to large customized systems with accelerating ASPs and our proprietary ultrasonic atomization technology remains at the core of all of our systems. And we've been able to achieve this significant shift organically through our own development internally internal development efforts.

Speaker 3

With that said, I will hand the call over to Steve Bagley, our CFO to review the financials in more detail. Steve, all yours to proceed.

Speaker 4

Very good, Steve. Thank you and good morning everyone. I will now walk you through our full year fiscal twenty twenty five results and then we will open up the call for any questions that you may have. Net sales for the fiscal year increased by 4% to $20,500,000 compared to $19,700,000 for FY 2024. Gross profit increased 1% year over year or $106,000 to $9,740,000 and the gross profit percentage decreased to 47.5% from 50% in the prior year.

Speaker 4

The decrease is due to product mix and the reallocation of specific labor expenses from the engineering department to cost of goods sold. This reallocation started in the fourth quarter of fiscal twenty twenty four as an outcome of the completion of several successful R and D endeavors. Operating expenses increased slightly to $8,730,000 when compared to $8,660,000 to the prior year. Research and product development costs decreased to $2,720,000 versus $2,890,000 in the prior year. And that's primarily due to a decrease in salaries and the reallocation of specific labor expenses from engineering to cost of goods sold.

Speaker 4

And this reallocation started in the fourth quarter of fiscal twenty twenty four as an outcome of completion of several successful R

Speaker 5

and D

Speaker 4

endeavors. Marketing and selling expenses were basically flat at $3,680,000 for the year compared to $3,670,000 for the prior year. We did have an increase and that was due to increased commissions and travel and trade show expenses. And those increases were partially offset by a decrease in salary expenses. General and administrative expenses increased to $2,330,000 for the year compared with $2,100,000 in the prior year.

Speaker 4

The increase is primarily due to increased salaries, legal and order fees and other corporate expenses. Operating income decreased $172,000 to $1,010,000 compared with $1,180,000 in the prior year. And the decrease in operating income is primarily due to a decrease in gross profit combined with an increase in operating expenses. Interest and dividend income decreased to $489,000 for fiscal twenty twenty five compared with $530,000 for fiscal twenty twenty four. For fiscal twenty twenty five, we recorded a tax provision of $261,000 compared to $303,000 in the prior year.

Speaker 4

Our net income for fiscal twenty twenty five was $1,200,000 or $08 per share, and that compares with $1,400,000 or $09 per share for the prior year. The decrease in net income is primarily due to the current period's decrease in gross profit, combined with an increase in operating expenses, partially offset by a decrease in income tax expense. Our diluted weighted average shares outstanding decreased slightly to approximately $15,770,000 and that compares to 15,774,000.000 shares in fiscal twenty twenty four. The decrease is partially due to the share buyback program we put in place in fiscal twenty twenty five. We continue to maintain a strong cash position with cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities totaling $11,900,000 and that was at 02/28/2025.

Speaker 4

And we continue to have no debt on our balance sheet. CapEx for the full year was $496,000 all of which is directed at ongoing upgrades of our manufacturing and development lab facilities, and we expect to invest approximately $435,000 in new equipment for fiscal year twenty twenty six. And with that, we will now open the call for any questions from the audience. Operator, please go ahead.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. And the first question will come from Ted Jackson with Northland Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thanks. Good morning, guys.

Speaker 3

Hey, good morning, Ted.

Speaker 6

So I wanted to start off on kind of the Alt Energy space. And I know you're not giving guidance for the second half, but just understand timing and stuff. So when I look at the backlog at $8 plus million, a big chunk of that's coming out of Alt Energy. You said you had a couple of large orders within there. And then earlier in the call, you said you had eight orders in backlog within that world as well.

Speaker 6

So do you have eight systems in AltEnergy that are sitting in backlog that will be shipping if they are part of that 8.6? Or do you have like a line of sight on eight and you have two systems within the current backlog? Just to clarify on that part.

Speaker 3

Sure. Yes. We actually have eight systems that are in that backlog today that are coming from the clean energy sector, all of which will be shipping in the current fiscal year. So it's giving us a strong entrance for Alt Energy, most definitely for this current FY 2026. It will probably ship in two different orders, but it will be it's eight systems in total.

Speaker 6

And then do you expect those systems to come through your P and L in the first half of twenty twenty five?

Speaker 3

Yes, would suspect so. If not all, at least the majority of them will flow through in Q1 or Q2 or a combination of both.

Speaker 6

I mean '26, excuse me.

Speaker 3

Sorry about that. Q1 and Q2 of FY 2026, correct.

Speaker 6

And then with regards to the visibility that you have in the second half, a couple of things to noodle around on that front. Have you seen like a softening with regards to demand, a pullback from your customers that's come into play in the last few months? I mean, to be honest, a lot

Speaker 2

of companies

Speaker 6

that I have listened to calls with, in particular, their businesses, the activity within their markets really soften in April. Did you see something similar to that happen in your world? Is it concentrated in the Alt Energy, which it seems like it might be? Is it all being driven by the current administration's lack of support?

Speaker 3

Yes. I will say that we have seen some apprehension to act quickly from The U. S.-based clean energy sector when it comes to placing orders right now. Fortunately for us, the majority of our clean energy customer base are making money on their own. Our biggest clean energy customers don't really need significant financial support from the U.

Speaker 3

S. Government. But it will certainly affect us to some level depending on how far the U. S. Government does pull back from the clean energy support.

Speaker 3

However, that it's important to remember the rest of the world hasn't slowed down at all. When you look at the EU and most of Asia, they're very aggressively investing into the clean energy sector inclusive of the same areas that we're in when it comes to the carbon capture and hydrogen generation. Green hydrogen is still a huge push right now. So while The U. S.

Speaker 3

May see some tempering down there slightly, I don't think we're going to see that in other areas of the world fortunately for us.

Speaker 6

And then within those other areas of the world as you're going through this environment with tariffs and such, I mean, what kind of impact would that have? Would it is it are you directly impacted by that? By how much would are your is your technology of such that they just have to bite the bullet and take it? How is that how would that play out in terms of how you see it today? I know it's a moving

Speaker 3

target. Yes. It's definitely a moving target. But I can tell you right now, we have not seen the tariffs become a major impact to us outside of China. We've just had some guys that were over visiting other areas of Asia, Japan, South Korea And they had indicated that the currency exchange rates have gotten a little bit more favorable for our customers to buy things of recent.

Speaker 3

And the tariff is not enough where they're saying, hey, that's going to impact our decision making today as they are today. Now, course, anything can change it where it could make it better or worse. But at this moment, we're not seeing a significant impact on the tariffs to date. And it seems like the indications are right now that there is going to be some reasonable negotiations coming up. And I think most of our customer base is planning on that happening as well.

Speaker 6

Then my last question and I'll get out of line because hopefully there'll be another question or two from other people. But you have a lack of visibility in the second half. At what point are we where I mean at what point do you need to see things improve in orders to come in for you to be able to show growth for the year? Let's say the first half is fine and the second half you need to get some business brought You know what I mean? Like it could turn around, but you still have to make these systems.

Speaker 6

Do see what I'm saying? But how long would it take you to make systems? Like what's the cutoff point to where the second half becomes kind of even if the things turn around, you're just not going to be able still deliver product in time to get revenue into fiscal twenty twenty six. Is that what I'm asking?

Speaker 3

Yes. For sure, Ted. I think we'll see by the time we report our Q1 earnings, which isn't that long from now. Keep in mind that our Q1 ends this month. So we're only a few days away from our Q1 closing.

Speaker 3

But by the time we report those earnings, think we should have some pretty clear visibility on the full fiscal year. We are anticipating based on our forecast some what could be significant orders for us. And fortunately, they're also coming from sectors that are outside of the clean energy sector, which is nice to see. I mean, so much of the work we've developed to done to develop these high ASP production lines. Although they our first customers were greatly in the clean energy sector, it's directly transferable over to both the industrial sectors, the medical sectors and the semiconductor so much of that know how that we've developed.

Speaker 3

So what we're quoting today is high ASP machines that are more commonly from the semiconductor and medical sector right now in particular. If we're able to pull those up before we report Q1, I think we could have we're hoping for some promising news.

Speaker 6

Diversification of revenues is a good thing, Steve. I wouldn't disappoint you at all. That's it for me right now. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Hey, thanks, Ted. Good talking to you.

Operator

Your next question will come from Bill Nicholson with Circle and Advisors. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Good morning, Steve. Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 3

Good morning, Bill. Good to hear from you.

Speaker 7

Good. Some of which I would like to answer and you've already answered for Ted, but I'll kind of re ask the question anyway. If you look at your opportunities that are going to drive backlog in the upcoming months, how should that unfold?

Speaker 3

Yes. It's kind of similar to I was telling you that we are seeing strong momentum, in particular, in both the medical and the semiconductor sectors. Our team has really done an outstanding job expanding our high ASP product offering in the clean energy space. And as I mentioned to Ted, we're still continuing to see meaningful contributors, customers going after that area, particularly from The EU and parts of Asia, where the demand remains strong, even as The U. S.

Speaker 3

Market faces some more uncertainty. But what we're especially encouraging is that much of that development and expertise we built in the clean energy sector is directly transferable to other industries. This positions us really well as we introduce new high value products in the microelectronics and medical markets over the coming year. And that includes expansion of our semiconductor focused systems. You might remember we had that newly developed wafer shuttling program.

Speaker 3

And now we're also focused on advancing the next phase of our semiconductor specific capabilities, evolving beyond our sophisticated lab scale platforms. And those are currently priced in the area of say $300,000 approximately. But we're moving more towards production scale systems aimed at semiconductor fabs in particular, where system values can then range from that $500,000 to $1,000,000 area. So that could be another significant jump for us as we head down that path.

Speaker 7

Good. And could you be just a little more granular on the medical side, what you're looking at that is different from what you've been serving in the past? And are these new areas going to significantly increase your total addressable market? Or are you just picking up a little here and a little there?

Speaker 3

Yes. I think what's significant is now when someone comes to buy a system from us in the medical market, they're not just buying a 80,000 or $100,000 machine. These more complex systems that we're now developing, which have a lot more are doubling or tripling the prices of these machines. And fortunately for us, there is a big increase in demand right now for balloon catheters as an area right now where it's we're kind of guiding on the Ground Floor. We have a lot of good customers in that area that purchased a lot of our pilot line and R and D machines.

Speaker 3

But that's going to be an industry right now that's ready to scale. And we believe we're positioned well for our higher volume machines to scale with our customers. And these are big significant customers. So we are under the impression right now that we have a good probability to capture a good chunk of that marketplace and kind of own that market like we did for stents. But the only difference will be our stent coating systems were only $80,000 to $100,000 machines.

Speaker 3

I think in the balloon coating area, we're going to be able to capture with possibly $250,000 machines that have a lot more capabilities.

Speaker 2

And Bill, just a comment here. It is a newer market segment because if you can't put a stent in because the vessel is too small or what have you, then they're now going with these balloon insertions where it leaves behind anti restenosis drug. And that's really I mean, it's been around a little bit in the past, but it's come on very strongly recently.

Speaker 7

Thanks. Back to kind of a general question that Sonatec has been spending a lot of money in recent years, taking on expense that has pressured your bottom line. In regard to this, what benchmarks you use to judge what spending is appropriate and where do you go from here with your spending levels?

Speaker 3

Yes. Well, you're right. We made some significant investments to support this strategy of expanding our product lines and we're now just beginning to see the results. In FY '20 '20 '5, we shipped approximately $6,000,000 in products that were tied to our recent development efforts And more than half of that total came from what we are defining as those high ASP, high average selling price platforms, which are really the ones that are over like the $500,000 area. And the remainder involved existing midsize systems that we were adding increased complexities and capabilities.

Speaker 3

For example, we'd be transforming $150,000 system conventionally for us into a $300,000 system with a lot more capabilities and complexities. And these efforts, they support our objective to broaden the scope of our pool systems offering. It increases the average selling price, delivers greater value to our customers. And we do our best to benchmark the spending against strategic potential growth areas and long term return on investments.

Speaker 7

Thanks. I noticed, I drove by the plant the other day, the place looks terrific. So congratulations on that. But along with that and the expansion that you're taking, what do you see as a potential for efficiencies throughout the manufacturing operation? And is there any low hanging fruit that you can get there?

Speaker 3

Yes. We're always working to improve operational efficiencies here that with these high ASP systems becoming a bigger part of our products mix, We are very focused on standardizing certain subsystems, refining the production flow. The idea here is that these efforts will help us to reduce lead times and hopefully improve margins without sacrificing our abilities to make customizations where it matters. So we are making some operational layouts in this manner. And that's a lot of the CapEx spending that you've seen over recent years has been to that idea there of trying to increase our operational efficiencies in those areas.

Speaker 7

Thanks. I heard Steve Bagley say something about share repurchases. Where are you with the share repurchasing program as far as getting it completed? And what are the odds that if you get it completed, you could see an increase in the future?

Speaker 3

Yes. Well, of course, as we put out there already, we currently have an active share repurchase program in place, which authorizes it's up to, I believe, 2,000,000 in buybacks. And at this time, we haven't provided guidance beyond that. But I can assure you that the program is definitely something we continue to evaluate closely. It is regularly discussed at the Board level every quarter as part of our capital allocation strategy.

Speaker 3

But we unfortunately haven't given guidance beyond that at this point.

Speaker 7

All right. Thank you. That's it for me.

Speaker 3

It was good talking to you, Bill. Take care.

Operator

The next question will come from Dick Ryan with Oak Ridge Financial. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Hey, Steve, I think most things have been asked. I just have a couple more on the end markets. Medical, the positive commentary there, maybe a point of clarification, maybe I didn't have it right. But I thought medical had been negatively influenced with the softness in China.

Speaker 5

If that's the case and China continues to be kind of a non event, where are you seeing the progress? You mentioned from stents to balloon, but is it a geographical expansion? Or where do you see the growth in the medical coming from?

Speaker 3

Good morning, Dick. Yes, for sure, we have seen a shift in the geographic area for our medical customers. There was a period of time where China we had a huge medical component out of the China marketplace. At this point, China, as I mentioned earlier, it's only 2.5% of our total sales, of which most of that probably is medical, but it's not a significant marketplace for us any longer. Where we are now picking up the most significant customers in the medical market is in The U.

Speaker 3

S. And The EU. And The U. S. Is being our strongest area.

Speaker 3

Our systems now due to our increased capabilities, our very basic systems kind of got us into the China market. Today, they wanted very basic systems. The U. S. Market and the EU market wanted more complex systems with more controls and capabilities.

Speaker 3

And that's what we are now delivering to that marketplace. These are, I would say, much sophisticated systems than what we were delivering into the China market by demand of the customer here and there are capabilities to meet that demand. So almost everything we're showing for increases there is coming from either The EU or The U. S. At this point.

Speaker 5

Is this just an evolution to more complex systems or are you taking share from somebody else?

Speaker 3

For the medical market in particular, we don't do a lot with outsourced partners in this area. We are actually able to pretty much provide the complete solution internally for providing the end systems to that marketplace. So it's nice. It should be really nice margin systems for us. And great that we've put in most of that R and D effort is already behind us in order to be able to meet the needs of the demands of that market.

Speaker 3

Okay.

Speaker 5

And on the semi side, commentary kind of is flying in the face of what has been pretty well telegraphed to the state of the semi marketplace. How are you seeing that more positive commentary? Again, is it similar to medical where you're getting some of your more complex solutions in front of fab or two and they're able to kind of evaluate your new capabilities when if they're going at capacity, they don't have an opportunity to look at alternative solutions. So how are you making the progress on the semi side?

Speaker 3

Yes. For sure, we're offering solutions that the competition can't offer. So for most of the applications we're going into and considering proposals for the fab side, it's typically for a product that has something unique about it, which requires our unique ultrasonic spray. So that's we find these opportunities every now and then. And now that we have found the correct strategic partners to develop these complex solutions and it's mostly in the wafer handling complexities more than anything else.

Speaker 3

But we found a great partner there to team up with which allows us to provide this larger offerings. And like I said, I think our first proposal that we've just recently put out there increased a machine that we would have normally sold for about $300,000 to around $850,000 But more importantly, our machine would have never even been considered for that fab if we didn't have those increased capabilities to team up with our basic machine also. So that's what's most important is that we wouldn't even been in the running for that order without having this increased capability.

Speaker 5

Whose technology is the robotic wafer handling? Is it yours? Is it your partner's? Opportunity where you could kind of bring that in house at some point either organically or through acquisitions?

Speaker 3

Both are possible. The partner we found is a very good strategic partner for us. They're not that far away. We're not sharing their name, but and what's nice with this partner that they are very used to working with companies like This is actually their business model is to team up with companies like Sonotech, which have unique capabilities and have a really good front end to the organization to get into the semiconductor fabs. Mean that's one thing that we're usually quite successful on is introduction of new products when we can find a targeted market and our application engineering expertise really comes into play because if we can bring them into our lab prove that we can meet the needs for what they're looking to achieve in their fab then you're really in the door as long as you can show that you can provide that full system solution.

Speaker 5

Okay. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Good talking to you, Dick.

Operator

The next question is a follow-up from Bill Nicklin with Circle N Advisors. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

On

Speaker 7

the medical side, if we look back at the total addressable market for you in the stent business and what you were selling to China and I guess some U. S. Companies too. If you look at what you're seeing now in the medical side, can you compare and where you're looking at these larger production machines, could you give me some idea of the total addressable market in the new areas that you're addressing relative to the total addressable market in the stent market that the old traditional stent market?

Speaker 3

Yes. I think the number of machines ultimately could be similar to where we were at with the stents say ten years ago. For example, you take the Chinese market right now, even though we don't sell a ton in China right now, we still do not dominate that marketplace because they bought our machines over so many years, where we have sold hundreds of stent coating machines into that marketplace In the area of probably 200 machines in total, it could be even higher than that. I don't know off the top of my head, but it's in that ballpark ish area. And I think there's no reason to think that we couldn't be selling similar volumes of our balloon coating systems.

Speaker 3

But the difference is instead of selling inexpensive machines at say 50,000 to $70,000 in China, we could be selling machines that are close to the $200,000 range, a little bit higher than that, but in The U. S. And European market, they have a lot more capabilities.

Speaker 7

So on dollar value, think you've told me you're looking at two to three times greater revenue potential in what you're filling now or intend

Speaker 3

This is all new market compared to the stent market is a very mature market at this point established. But there's a lot of growth happening in catheter area where the stem market is continuing to stay. A lot of our customers in that area especially over the top of it will likely not purchase a new machine for some years, it certainly will be.

Speaker 7

Brian? I would like to

Speaker 2

take a comment, Bill. Some of the market research that you can tune into online talking about the metasite quote being $80,200,000,000 growing at 7.7%. And then the catheter, which is what we're talking about as a newer area for us, well, it's $2,000,000,000 and it's growing at 6.5%. So these are really healthy markets that we've tapped into. And I think what Steve is saying, we really are trying to focus in on those two areas.

Speaker 2

We've been in the stent coating business for a long time, but when you look at that growth rate, there might be more opportunities there for us.

Speaker 7

Right. Because I see back a few months ago, you introduced a catheter coating machine. So I imagine that that just visually even if you look at the coating of catheter, it would appear to be a larger market requiring larger production machines than what you've been quoting. Is that accurate?

Speaker 2

Yes. That's a set that I personally have not thought about before, but that is separate catheter coatings, but there's also just catheter coatings

Speaker 6

treating some of the

Speaker 2

infections that are caused by the great use of catheters these days in hospital settings. So in a way, what we thought was one market has become three markets, so we certainly can pursue them all with our equipment.

Speaker 8

Phil.

Operator

Our next question will come from Daniel Bouchin with he's a private investor. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 8

Hello. I've just got sort of two questions. Apologies, I'm from England, so there might be a bit of delay on the call. So the first question for me is, I understand sort of the kick that we get from the high average selling prices. But how does that really translate to us as investors?

Speaker 8

Because I would assume that the gross margins are fairly similar for that. And also, I would also assume that there's not so much operating leverage because a lot of these high ASP machines will have a fair amount of application engineering anyway. So I'm just wondering, Steve, what's the sort of the real benefit of these high ASP machines?

Speaker 3

Yes. Good question, Daniel. I think the big benefit and as you mentioned, the margins are similar. I think we will start to see some leverage, but it may not be a huge amount of leverage as things go forward. But most importantly, these high ASP machines are primarily directed into high volume manufacturing operations where our historical machines were very much focused towards R and D and pilot line machines.

Speaker 3

So we'd sell one, two, maybe five machines and then they would have to transition over to the production machines which we couldn't supply. But the difference is the production machines no one ever wants to buy one, two or five production machines. That's where they're usually looking to buy ten, twenty production machines. So I think we'll it's kind of exponential because you start to see a higher price machine, but the demand for the number of the machines significantly increases if you can sell production volume machines versus the R and D and pilot volume machines. And that's when you can really start to see some of the Yes,

Speaker 2

that makes sense.

Speaker 8

And within the balloon catheters, all of this sort of stuff, is there are those sort of caps around $300,000 Or are there is there a possibility for single machines to be of the same level as we have in alternative energy, millions of dollars?

Speaker 3

Yes. I think for this particular at this stage, this is the customers we're dealing with there right now actually have been using our R and D machines to start that were in that 80,000 to $120,000 machines area. They've now received first the pilot line machines and have now are going through the process of production volume machines which put them again up towards that $250,000 area. I don't believe our first introduction of this will be beyond that. But if we could sell a couple of hundred machines to various customers that are in that 2 and $50,000 area that would be a pretty good success for us.

Speaker 3

With that said, I think there is a chance though in the next follow on stage to possibly increase the offering there even further. There are processes that sit before and after the actual quoting stage. So that is always something that we're always looking to do. Every time we accomplish one stage, we always move on to the next stage. It's kind of like that first jump we made in the semiconductor machine that we went from selling $100,000 1 up and now we're up to around $300,000 machine.

Speaker 3

And now we're taking that $300,000 machine and saying, all right, how do we make it into a hundred thousand dollars to $1,000,000 machine. So I suspect there could be a similar evolution there to happen. It probably in the medical sector for balloon catheter in particular, it probably won't happen this year, but it could potentially happen in the future years.

Speaker 8

Okay. And then two final questions. How successful do you think CynoTech is as a standalone business? Like would it be the case that you think CynoTech could benefit from some sort of integration within another company or something like that? Like how well do you think it's running as a standalone business?

Speaker 3

I think we still have a long runway ahead of us with a lot of organic growth potential. With that said, I think as we start to reach this sort of critical mass area, when you start to get that $20,000,000 to $40,000,000 area, I think when we're up and around that $40,000,000 area, we'll probably become on the radar of a lot of companies is my suspicion because that's kind of seems like it's a critical area when you hit it right around $40,000,000 And I think that Sonotech, although we believe in our organic growth ourselves, but if someone came to acquire us and if it was the right decision for the stockholders and the right decision for the employees, we would always consider anything any opportunities that way as well. But like I said, I think the road ahead of us right now, we can do a lot just organic growth. If we find the right acquisition partner and opportunity, we would still always ourselves even look at an acquisition because we are in a very healthy cash position to make very synergistic acquisitions if they made sense for us.

Speaker 8

Okay. Thank you. And do you have any guidance on CapEx? Maybe you published it, but do you have any guidance on that for 2026 and also somewhat 2027?

Speaker 3

Yes. We actually anticipated CapEx to drop just a little bit this year. I think we were around $500,000 last year and this year I think we're anticipating it to be around 4 and $30,000 And the reason for that is that we actually made a lot of really significant investments over the last three years into our facilities, into being prepared for growth in the facilities. So a lot of what we had preparation to be heading towards $40,000,000 those expenses have already been incurred. So it's not like we're really slowing anything down there.

Speaker 3

It's just we are we've made a lot of the investments already.

Speaker 8

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Nice talking to you, Daniel.

Operator

Your next question will come from Andy Newby with Newby Investments. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, thanks for taking my question. I'm just curious how you guys are focused on it, if at all with battery technology. You mentioned wafer technology. I'm just curious if you're in the space of EV battery, fabs or not?

Speaker 3

Sure, Andy. Yes, it's a good question. There's two primary areas that we've been involved in battery. One is thin film batteries and that's kind of a newer R and D area of batteries, but it's a vastly growing area and they're often applying nano coatings and we certainly have a presence primarily in the R and D market for these new thin film batteries. I know that's unlike lithium battery.

Speaker 3

Then independent of that we have a customer base that is using our ultrasonic coating systems to apply a protective barrier coating on to lithium batteries. And this is associated with the fire dangers of batteries. Right now they wrap batteries with a material to present to reduce the chances of a flame occurring or a fire occurring. And there is a pretty big push right now to see if that can be done through a spray coating technique to increase the reliability of that barrier coating working. And that's the other area of exploration that we are involved in and pretty significantly in that area as well.

Speaker 3

The actual lithium battery materials themselves, we don't really get involved into us just because they're so thick that they can't typically be coated. But the barrier coating, most certainly it's an active area in our labs and with our customers.

Speaker 6

Okay. So would you say that that's something that you are developing? Is it necessarily something you're selling? Or you have active customers that are purchasing those kinds of solutions from Sonotech?

Speaker 3

Active customers that are both working with us and to some level purchasing, but it's mostly on the R and D stage purchasing. But we it's one of those areas that we spend in particular more time on than a lot of applications because we believe this has got some legs. So when we identify a market that we think, oh, this could really take off and become big, we really try to dive in deep and get a lot of application know how and understanding with that for those. So it's an area that we have quite a bit of depth in and we believe in the future of it even though it's small right now.

Speaker 6

Very interesting. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3

Yes, you're welcome.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Steven Harchberger for any closing remarks. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 3

Thank you. I apologize. I think I was just hit the mute button by mistake there. Well, thank you all for joining us today. Sonotech's long term outlook remains strong, supported by the continued success of our newly developed high ASP platforms across advanced technology markets.

Speaker 3

We look forward to sharing our fiscal twenty twenty six results during our next call in October. And in the meantime, please don't hesitate to reach out to myself or Doctor. Coccio with any questions that you may have. And thanks again. Enjoy the rest of your day and we'll look forward to talking to you again in the future.

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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Key Takeaways

  • Sonatec reported 4% annual revenue growth to $20.5 M and net income of $1.2 M, with a strong backlog of $8.6 M entering FY 26.
  • Integrated coating system sales rose 28% to $3.7 M, while the alternative clean energy market saw 64% growth as production-scale orders transition from R&D to high-ASP systems.
  • The medical device segment is gaining momentum, particularly for high-volume balloon coating machines priced around $250 K, expanding Sonatec’s total addressable market.
  • Revenue visibility for the second half remains limited due to evolving clean energy policy, potential tariffs and shifting customer order timing.
  • Sales of fluxing systems fell 34% in Latin America amid weaker PCB demand, and China sales dropped 16%, highlighting regional headwinds.
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