NASDAQ:HSII Heidrick & Struggles International Q1 2025 Earnings Report $42.90 -0.38 (-0.87%) As of 12:56 PM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Heidrick & Struggles International EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.67Consensus EPS $0.67Beat/MissMet ExpectationsOne Year Ago EPSN/AHeidrick & Struggles International Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$287.44 millionExpected Revenue$267.42 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$20.02 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AHeidrick & Struggles International Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date5/5/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateMonday, May 5, 2025Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsHeidrick & Struggles International's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, August 4, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Monday, July 28, 2025 at 5:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Heidrick & Struggles International Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 5, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Thank you, and welcome to Heidrick and Struggles twenty twenty five First Quarter Conference Call. Participating on the call today are the company's CEO, Tom Manahan and CFO, Niripam Sena. Accompanying slides are posted on the IR homepage of the company's website at titr.com, and you're encouraged to view these slides for additional context. Please note that in the materials presented today, management may refer to non GAAP financial measures that the company believes provide additional insight into underlying results. Reconciliations between these non GAAP financial measures and the most comparable GAAP measures may be found in the earnings press release. Operator00:00:42Also, certain forward looking statements may be made in management's remarks. Please refer to the safe harbor language also included in today's press release. I will now turn the call over to Tim Monahan. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:00:57Thank you for the kind introduction. Let me add my welcome and share an outline of the agenda for today's call. Today, I'll start by touching on our Q1 results and our strong operating performance. I'll reflect quickly on what has become a suddenly tumultuous operating environment and comment on the threats and opportunities it presents for our business. I'll reaffirm our strategy to create unrivaled client value, particularly in times like these. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:01:24Then finally, I'll hand the call over to Nirupam to walk us through a closer look at our Q1 results or go forward guidance, and we'll both be available for Q and A. Both our first quarter results and the momentum we are carrying into the second quarter are reflective of the ever expanding need for organizations to engage and enable world class leadership talent. In short, we delivered strong results in the first quarter of twenty twenty five without performance on the top line and exceeded the high end of our outlook coupled with robust profitability. This performance reinforced by the Q2 guidance which Neuropon will share reflects the relevance of our strategy, the resilience of our business model and the ability of our world class team to create value for and with clients. I want to spend just one moment to reflect on that last point. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:02:15Think about the economic environment our clients expected in 2025 and compare it to what they actually encountered. Our team showed remarkable ability to stay close to clients and pivot to serve their rapidly changing needs. Our outcomes are a reflection of their professional excellence and deep client focus. Turning to the second topic of my remarks, that mix of professional excellence and client focus will be vital to our success in a considerably more complex operating environment. Let me spend a minute sharing what we hear in client conversations, how we are responding, and how it might shape our performance. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:02:53First, I'll state the obvious. This is not a business that benefits from the status quo. In simple terms, not a single client meeting in the last seventy two years has ended with the following client quote. Things are going perfectly right now and we are well set up for the future. Let's call Heidrick. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:03:13Our opportunity to create value springs from the simple client need to drive great business outcomes by getting the right leaders in the right roles working in the right way. This need becomes more pronounced, more visible, and more urgent during times of economic chop. That said, this incredible opportunity for impact can sometimes be balanced by client caution in initiating, proceeding, or completing work. The net result is the dynamic we shared at Investor Day, where although we demonstrate consistent growth across time, individual quarters can show periods of volatility in periods of economic difficulty. As you can see from our strong results and forecast, we aren't seeing that dynamic. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:03:57That said, we can obviously imagine a world where caution creeps into client decision making, and the second half of the year looks different than the first half. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:04:06We are staying very close Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:04:07to clients and monitoring activities, tone, and outcome really closely right now. Our resulting strategy for this environment is quite simple. Stay close to clients and arm our teams with the tools and resources to drive great client impact. We know that in times of uncertainty, clients look for help on a different set of issues, and we are putting in place tools and resources so that teams rapidly deliver on these needs. In this category, we are putting in place great resources to help them adapt leadership strategies to changing supply chain networks, link people's strategies to the opportunities and risks of AI, and drive resilient performance cultures in times of rapid change. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:04:49That said, every client and every client's strategy is unique, And it's our job to stay in constant touch with them to shape their response and our support for these complex times. This client focus is enabled by some really attractive business model attributes that allow us to focus on client outcomes rather than financial engineering. These include revenue that is well diversified across geographies, industries, solution areas, zero client concentration, a variable cost structure, low CapEx, and zero debt. These factors combined with our incredible people and unique set of assets and capabilities gives us great confidence in our medium term through cycle targets shared at our Investor Day. Organic revenue growth of mid to high single digits and organic adjusted EBITDA growth between five percent and eight percent per year. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:05:46This is a great place to transition to one more topic. Achieving these through cycle growth targets requires us to relentlessly focus on our long term strategic priorities. Together, these will enable us to create unrivaled value for clients, colleagues, and shareholders by creating differentiated, deep, and durable client relationships. Let me reshare these with you. First, we want to be the most trusted leadership partner for the C suite and board. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:06:16We believe that our focus on leadership talent differentiates us. We remain committed to consistently growing our executive search and assessment capabilities, which are the cornerstone of our enterprise. This work not only immediately inflects client performance, it gives us unmatched access to leaders and their priorities, allowing us to build valuable insights and rich data sets. We believe one of the most important C suite roles that we help define and support is the Chief People Officer. It's a role that has undergone dramatic transformation in the past decade. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:06:51And CPOs have been at the center of the most challenging issues of our time. From pandemic response to the hybrid work debate, to the rapidly shifting dialogue about inclusion, to the challenges posed by changing immigration approaches. But even as headlines whipsaw their daily agenda, CPOs are on the hook for architecting corporate strategies that reflect several of the most important challenges to the c suite. Remaking work to best leverage the interplay of human and digital workers in the age of AI. Creating leadership and talent strategies for a world where demographic and labor mobility headwinds create real scarcity in leadership talent. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:07:32Assuring the performance of leaders and leadership teams in a world where volatility is the norm, to name just a few. We've launched deep research and an event series to help CPOs balance this complex mandate and to help CEOs and boards select and leverage the next generation of key people partners. Second, to help clients lead transformation in the new world of leadership. As we shared at Investor Day, relationship size and stickiness correlate strongly with our ability to support clients in multiple ways. This isn't some boiler room cross selling effort. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:08:11It's leveraging the access and insight of our exceptional consultants to accelerate client performance in new ways. We enjoy a substantial tailwind in this work. Every leader in every role in every industry has a transformation mandate. It might be to leverage AI or enter new markets or drive cost advantage. Regardless of the destination, this transformation invariably requires new leaders and new ways of leading and creates an opportunity for us to partner with them to drive great outcomes. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:08:47Obviously, environment right now is leading to a reprioritization of key initiatives with topics like creating a cost focused culture and rationalizing the corporate portfolio rising in prominence. In response, we have assembled toolkits that help our teams guide clients through this work and allow us to partner with them to accelerate their outcomes. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:09:09We know that we grow larger and Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:09:10more impactful client relationships by linking our work to ambitious client goals. And no matter the environment, clients always have, indeed clients always need ambitious goals. Third, we're innovating to create continuous client engagement. And working with leading CEOs, boards, and chief people officers, we continue to see an important theme emerging. Leadership and talent decisions are becoming an always on activity. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:09:40This shouldn't be surprising as there has been a step function increase in annual report language devoted to the economic importance of talent, culture, and succession. And yet historically, the process for managing this risk has lacked consistency and rigor. We don't expect every company to change how they work overnight, but we also can't imagine a world in which a topic as important as top of the house leadership will be a continued afterthought in ongoing corporate management. And we know that embedding this work at scaling companies will require just the type of at scale digital tooling that our investments are targeting. In sum, while we confront a volatile market, we see enormous opportunities to grow our impact on clients and thereby our business. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:10:29Our fast start to 2025 reflects our team's ability to create real value for clients in the face of this complex environment. That said, we know that this complexity can slow down client decision making, but never eliminates their need to perform at a high level. Our roadmap for executing our strategy of creating differentiated, deep and durable relationships will allow unrivaled value for clients, colleagues and shareholders. With that, I will now hand the call over to Nirupam to provide a detailed review of our financial performance and outlook. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:11:03Thank you, Tom. In a highly dynamic environment, we delivered strong results in the first quarter of twenty twenty five with outperformance in the top line that exceeded the high end of our outlook and robust profitability. In the next few minutes, I'll walk through the details of our performance along with our Q2 outlook. First quarter revenue reached approximately $284,000,000 marking a 7% increase compared to Q1 twenty twenty four. Adjusted EBITDA improved $3,300,000 to $29,100,000 and adjusted EBITDA margin expanded 50 basis points to 10.3%. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:11:37Looking more deeply at operating expenses, salary and benefits increased 8.6% from the prior year quarter. Fixed compensation increased $4,200,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty five due to higher separation, base salaries and payroll taxes, retirement and benefits, and talent acquisition and retention costs, partially offset by decreases in the deferred compensation plan and compensation. Variable compensation increased $10,900,000 benefiting from an increase in consultant productivity. As a percentage of net revenue, salaries and benefits were 66.8% versus 65.8% in the year ago period. Excluding a 3,700,000 operational reorganization charge, salaries and benefits would have been 65.5%. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:12:21Consistent with our prior commentary, for the full year, we continue to expect the normalized run rate to be in the 65% range. General and administrative expenses of $41,400,000 were relatively flat versus the year ago period and include a fair value earn out adjustment, which is excluded from our adjusted results. As a percentage of net revenue, general and administrative expenses improved 100 basis points from the prior year to 14.6%. With respect to R and D, as we have described previously, we continue to invest in the future of HICA. At the core of this investment is IP that powers all our businesses, including search, IT consulting, and our digital product portfolio. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:12:59R and D spend for the first quarter was 6,400,000 or 2.3% of net revenue. Now, let's turn to each of our businesses for further details. In Executive Search, revenue grew 6% to $213,000,000 Looking at our regional performance compared to the prior year quarter, we saw revenue increases of 6% in The Americas, 9 Percent in Europe, and 1% in APAC. As you know, we have a diversified practice platform with great client engagement. In the first quarter, saw outperformance by the majority of our practice groups. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:13:31Consulting productivity annualized in the first quarter at two million dollars compared to $1,900,000 on the same basis in the year ago quarter, and we saw increases in confirmations and average revenue per Executive Search. We're also very pleased with Executive Search improving its already strong profitability with adjusted EBITDA of 52,300,000 and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 24.5%. Turning to on demand talent, revenue increased 12% to $43,000,000 marking a continued outperformance amid market dynamics. We saw increases in volume in both wins and project extensions. On demand talent recorded adjusted EBITDA of 400,000.0 versus an adjusted EBITDA loss of 900,000.0 in the year ago period. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:14:11This business addresses an urgent client need, complements our search business, enhances our ability to serve clients comprehensively. We're continuing to foster innovation in our products and services with Pivot and accelerate growth, particularly on the interim talent side of our on demand business. Looking at Heidrick Consulting, we saw first quarter organic revenue increase 7% year over year to $28,000,000 driven by increases in leadership assessment as we implement a more intense focus on pairing assessments with Executive Search. Adjusted EBITDA loss was $2,100,000 for the quarter. Moving forward, we are focused on growing the business while benefiting from efficiency gains as we refine and simplify Heidrick Consulting's offerings and focus on its core strengths. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:14:52Turning to the bottom line performance, adjusted net income for the quarter was $14,200,000 which includes the fair value adjustment related to the on demand talent business versus $14,000,000 last year. Twenty twenty five first quarter adjusted diluted EPS was $0.67 consistent with the year ago period. Now I'll turn to the balance sheet. We ended the first quarter in a strong cash position of $325,000,000 up $72,000,000 from $253,000,000 at the March 2024. This balance, coupled with our credit facility, gives us great strength and flexibility to execute our sheet plan and return capital to our shareholders. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:15:30Moving forward, we expect second quarter revenue to be within the range of $285,000,000 to $3.00 $5,000,000 This compares to $279,000,000 in Q2 of twenty twenty four. As we discussed previously, the current economic climate can heighten uncertainty, which may lead clients to delay initiating new projects or to temporarily pause ongoing ones. In most cases, the underlying demand does not dissipate, and this client work resumes once there's greater clarity or stability in the macro environment. In conclusion, our performance underscores the strength and diversification of our business model, which continues to enable us to deliver for clients across a variety of market environments. These results are a testament to the dedication and focus of our global teams, We remain committed to serving our clients with excellence amid ongoing macroeconomic uncertainty. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:16:18As we look ahead, we remain confident in our ability to navigate the evolving landscape with discipline while continuing to drive long term value for our shareholders. With that, operator, if you could please open the lines, Tom and I would be happy to take questions. Operator00:16:44Your first question comes from the line of Mark Riddick with Sidoti and Company. Your line is open. Marc RiddickBusiness Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC00:16:53Hey, good evening. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:16:56Hey, Mark. Marc RiddickBusiness Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC00:16:58So given all the headlines and what have you, was wondering if you could talk a little bit about what we're thinking and given past disruptions and recessions that Heidrick has gone through. I was wondering if there are any that were specifically or particularly relevant in assessing how things might downturn here in 2025 and how that could impact the business? Or put another way, do you view today's circumstances as being unique? Or can we draw on any meaningful parallels in the past? Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:17:36Obviously, it's something we talk about internally. Like pretty much every other business, there are segments of what we do that slow down during periods of economic distress. To the good, as you can see from our results and our forecast, we're not seeing them yet. Hence, as the adage goes, if you've seen one economic downturn, you've seen exactly one economic downturn. Just think for a second about the contrast between the global financial crisis and the COVID era. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:18:05The first one was sector focused and long, the second broad based with a fast snapback. So even over the last two decades, the economic uncertainty periods have looked very different. And look, we like boom times as much as anyone else. But our business does have some attributes that allow us to weather these storms better than others and certainly better than the past. First, great economic attributes, no debt, little CapEx, embedded flexibility due to variable cost. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:18:40We have a business mix that is well diversified across region, industry and service line. And most importantly, we have a laser like focus on client value that gives clients the fastest return of any advisory category. Fourth of memory, across all our service lines, our projects don't require years of work or tens of million dollars in cost, like, let's say, a major software implementation or digital rearchitecture. You can move quickly at a fraction of the cost of some of those major transformations to really lift performance. So by staying close to clients, can make ourselves highly relevant, that's our job. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:19:18But more broadly, we're not seeing any of this yet, as you can see from our outcomes, but we keep our eyes very closely on activity levels and client tone. Marc RiddickBusiness Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC00:19:31Great. And then I was wondering if could talk a little bit about the it's obviously a good time to have a strong balance sheet and zero debt. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about your thoughts on use of cash and maybe more broadly, maybe what you're seeing out there in the as potential acquisition pipeline, whether much has changed given the headlines that we've seen over the last few months? Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:19:55Thanks, Mark. It's Nirpalm here. So as a quick reminder, we still have earn out payments in 2026 from some of our past acquisitions. So as we think about the cash, we're obviously managing cash flow to pay those out. And so cash kind of usage and how we think about cash, certainly that factor will play in. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:20:14Now, as always, we're constantly ensuring we can make the right organic investments into our service lines, and we continue to see that as the overall priority. Now, as we've noted in the past, in our business, and as people will note in any professional service business, often just think about organic investments or a hiring conversation, that sometimes turns into an acquisition or a lift out, especially talking about boutiques or smaller players. And so we view that as a matter of regular business to evaluate those opportunities, to be in those dialogues and to ensure we're staying ahead of opportunities that can help us. So that's how we kind of think about M and A at this point in cash usage. So number one, we have our announced pay. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:20:48Number two, we think organic investments is still a priority. And then three, some of those organic investments turned to acquisitions and that's life of what we do here. Marc RiddickBusiness Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC00:21:00Okay. And then sort of pivoting a bit on the in a way on the M and A kind of conversation. Could you sort of share any thoughts as to what you're seeing thus far as M and A being a driver of client demand? We've seen sort of an interesting wave of global M and A activity year to date. And I was maybe wondering if you could give sort of an update as to what you're seeing or whether it was similar to or met your expectations at the beginning of the year. Marc RiddickBusiness Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC00:21:29Thanks. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:21:30Look, I think M and A falls right in that category of every client's working on something, right? And M and A scale or tuck in creates a lot of opportunities for us to engage them around making sure they have the right team, are they harmonizing their culture, how do they assess when you combine two companies, who gets what role. So there's a lot of activities that spring out of that, either at scale or think about just restructuring cap table, whatever it is. And it's one of a bunch of things where you look and say, gosh, pretty much anything that if you could look inside the folder where any CEO carries around their MBOs, you could look at the five or six things they have absolutely got to get done and they all have significant implications for leadership. Because even if they're not doing integrating M and A, they might be doing a cost out, they might be doing the digital transformation, they might be doing going the other direction on M and A and carving out a business. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:22:31And every one of them has lots of places for us to bring our expertise to bear to help them be successful. Marc RiddickBusiness Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC00:22:41Great, thank you very much. Operator00:22:45Your next question comes from the line of Kevin Steinke with Barrington Research. Your line is open. Kevin SteinkeManaging Director at Barrington Research Associates00:22:52Great, thank you. I wanted to ask about a comment you made in your prepared remarks as it relates to Heidrick Consulting. I believe you mentioned simplifying their operations and maybe how that relates to increasing the profitability of that business as we move forward. I don't know if there's any more color or flavor you could add to that. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:23:26Yeah, I'm happy to take that Kevin, it's Niripom. So a couple of things here. I think one just there were some one time items in Q1 that impacted you, but including a reorganization charge. And so on a quarter to quarter basis, there can be a timing issue. So as you think about sort of profitability in that business. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:23:45So if you look back to and think about Q1 last year, the business was in a very different spot than it is today. And so you can imagine that bonus accruals were also in a different perspective than they are right now. So assuming the business sustains momentum, we'll hit more normalized comps in the back half of the year. So that's kind of the first thing to just keep in mind. I think second, we continue to see improvements in how we perform in that business. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:24:09And I think longer term, we're still very focused on hitting the long term guidance that we gave back in Investor Day. So 11% to 13% for consulting that we shared then is still sort of what we expect, and we're making progress on that on a steady basis daily. Kevin SteinkeManaging Director at Barrington Research Associates00:24:31Okay, great. So can you just refresh us on organic investments and you mentioned that obviously is a capital allocation priority, I guess, beyond hiring? Or is there anything you're focused on specifically that you could update us on? Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:24:55I think the good news is our business is pretty straightforward. It's how many great people do we have and how are we making them even more successful. So think of any organic growth investment is going to fit comfortably into one of those two buckets. First and foremost, adding great people, either growing them in our system or putting great people on the Heidrick platform so they can be more successful, and then investments in obviously some of our digital tools, some of our intellectual property, marketing, and development to help everyone get stronger and better and make them it's an easy business. I know May has passed, but it's more Jedi Knights and better lightsabers. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:25:33That's kind of we think about growing this business, that's what it comes down to. Kevin SteinkeManaging Director at Barrington Research Associates00:25:40Okay, great. And when we think about the current environment we're in, I know you were talking about Chief People Officers as an example, but have you seen any sort of particular type of search going on or consulting project or type of talent being sourced in on demand talent? Has there been any kind of meaningful change in the types of activities that clients are seeking from you across the segment? Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:26:18The short answer is there's always little peaks and valleys, right? There's stuff that goes on. I think if you work sort of see through some of what's going on short term, there are some longer term themes that are driving how companies are thinking about their top talent. One is, look, set aside whatever's going on in tariffs. We've been on a long cycle stretching back to Brexit and beyond, where borders matter more indifferently than they had for sort of twenty years before. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:26:47And so people are asking questions like, how do I organize at the top of the house? How do I want to think about my supply chain? Do I need resilience? People looked at the supply chain challenges during COVID. And so thematically, that sometimes shows up as your regional org structure. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:27:01Sometimes it shows up as where you're locating work. It sometimes shows up as I need new and different supply chain talent. It may show up as new and different finance talent. So the theme tends to be the issue that each company actualizes differently. Similarly, we went through a long, long time of interest rates being really low. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:27:20And now we're seeing a cycle where interest rates are higher, and people, particularly let's say in private equity or any sort of capital allocation method are thinking about, okay, what's the sort of talent I need there? Do I need different CEO profiles? Do I need different CFO profiles? How do I think about different skill sets? We highlighted the CPO because every one of these problems, from the what's our expectation for office attendance on Monday all the way up to how the digital workers interface with human workers lands on their desks, so they are absolutely really busy right now and we're trying to partner with them to make them incredibly successful so they can drive value. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:28:04But yeah, think the thematic, it tends to be more a set of themes that show up and then present differently at different clients in terms of how they decide what to go to work on. Kevin SteinkeManaging Director at Barrington Research Associates00:28:16All right. Well, that's good color. I appreciate the comments. I will turn it back over. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:28:23Thanks, Shiv. Operator00:28:26Your next question comes from the line of Tobey Sommer with Truist. Tyler BarishawEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:28:30This Tyler BarishawEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:28:34is Tyler Barishaw on for Tobey. Can you discuss some of your trends in Europe? Revenue up like 9% and EBITDA up close to 50%. Just curious, could you discuss what are some of the drivers of that? And any changes going on post the Liberation Day with changes in trends in Europe? Tyler BarishawEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:28:51Thank you. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:28:53Yeah, happy to start there Tyler. So in general, I mean I think we've seen across the board sort of Europe perform pretty well. I mean there's not one particular sector that's kind of standing out for us. You see it across technology, financial services, industrials, consumer. I I think across the board, we've seen pretty good performance there. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:29:14Now, how much is that attributed back to Liberation I don't know if I can exactly tell you that. Tom, maybe you can comment on that. But generally, I Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:29:23think it's good performance across the board. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:29:27First Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:29:29of all, Liberation Day was in this quarter. Look, you have seen some stimulative activity by a couple of European governments and that on balance gives people confidence. You've seen certain sectors are you're getting coming in focus, think European aerospace and defense, which is obviously feels there's going be a lot of resourcing heading their way. I think it's more just, again, our business is not unlike all of our clients, having a great team in place is number one, and having that team working and focused the right way is the second big piece of that. So I think we're just seeing a great team building that has gone on over there continuing to pay dividends. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:30:17But I don't use one thing necessarily. Tyler BarishawEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:30:22Got it. And just transitioning to some of the other segments, on demand talent and consulting, can you just talk about maybe profitability expectations for the year? Should we expect them both to be profitable, finish the year profitable? Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:30:36I think, as I said about consulting a second ago, I think the same would be true for on demand talent. I mean, I think we saw on demand talent break into profitability this quarter, which which we're pleased by. I think for us, it's less of the focus quarter by quarter. It's more are we kind of marching towards the guidance that we've given. And I think we feel good about the guidance that we've given and sort of marching towards the longer term profitability goals. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:31:00So for us, that's how we sort of think about it with on demand talent 7% to 9% and consulting at 11% to 13% as we've shared previously. Tyler BarishawEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:31:11Got it. And then just one final one. Can you discuss any difference in demand trends among different end markets and maybe particularly financial services, if there's anything to call out there? Thank you. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:31:22Could you repeat the question? I got a little blurred on this end. Sorry. Tyler BarishawEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:31:28Yes, sure. Just wondering if you could talk about demand trends in different key end markets and particularly financial services. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:31:39I mean, think we've sort of seen good demand across. I mean, I look at us by sector, it's been pretty broad based this past quarter. And we've seen it across financial services, global technology and services, industrials, consumer. So there's no one real part standing out for us and I think financial services has been part of what's performed pretty well globally for us. Tyler BarishawEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:32:06Thank you. That's all the questions I have. Operator00:32:10I will turn the call back over to Tom Monahan for closing remarks. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:32:17Thank you, Kate. We appreciate everyone dialing in today. We look forward to keeping you posted as we move through the year, and we know we'll see many of you at upcoming investor conferences or out on the road. In the meantime, please don't hesitate to reach out with any questions. And hope folks enjoy the evening and have a great, although I'm guessing busy week given what you all do. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:32:37So thanks very much. Bye now. Operator00:32:41Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesTom MonahanCEO & DirectorNirupam SinhaCFOAnalystsMarc RiddickBusiness Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLCKevin SteinkeManaging Director at Barrington Research AssociatesTyler BarishawEquity Research Associate at Truist SecuritiesPowered by Key Takeaways Heidrick & Struggles delivered 7% revenue growth in Q1 to $284 million and expanded adjusted EBITDA by $3.3 million to $29.1 million (10.3% margin), exceeding the high end of its guidance. The firm’s strategy of staying close to clients and arming its teams with new tools—such as AI talent strategies and supply-chain leadership solutions—has driven resilience amid economic volatility. With a business model characterized by zero debt, low CapEx, a variable cost structure, and diversified revenue across geographies and industries, Heidrick is targeting mid-to-high single-digit organic revenue growth and 5–8% EBITDA growth through the cycle. By segment, Executive Search grew 6% to $213 million (24.5% EBITDA margin), On-Demand Talent rose 12% to $43 million and turned profitable, and Heidrick Consulting saw 7% organic revenue growth to $28 million while focusing on efficiency gains. The balance sheet remains strong with $325 million in cash (up $72 million year-over-year), and capital allocation priorities include funding earn-outs, organic investments in talent and IP, and selective acquisitions. AI Generated. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Thank you, and welcome to Heidrick and Struggles twenty twenty five First Quarter Conference Call. Participating on the call today are the company's CEO, Tom Manahan and CFO, Niripam Sena. Accompanying slides are posted on the IR homepage of the company's website at titr.com, and you're encouraged to view these slides for additional context. Please note that in the materials presented today, management may refer to non GAAP financial measures that the company believes provide additional insight into underlying results. Reconciliations between these non GAAP financial measures and the most comparable GAAP measures may be found in the earnings press release. Operator00:00:42Also, certain forward looking statements may be made in management's remarks. Please refer to the safe harbor language also included in today's press release. I will now turn the call over to Tim Monahan. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:00:57Thank you for the kind introduction. Let me add my welcome and share an outline of the agenda for today's call. Today, I'll start by touching on our Q1 results and our strong operating performance. I'll reflect quickly on what has become a suddenly tumultuous operating environment and comment on the threats and opportunities it presents for our business. I'll reaffirm our strategy to create unrivaled client value, particularly in times like these. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:01:24Then finally, I'll hand the call over to Nirupam to walk us through a closer look at our Q1 results or go forward guidance, and we'll both be available for Q and A. Both our first quarter results and the momentum we are carrying into the second quarter are reflective of the ever expanding need for organizations to engage and enable world class leadership talent. In short, we delivered strong results in the first quarter of twenty twenty five without performance on the top line and exceeded the high end of our outlook coupled with robust profitability. This performance reinforced by the Q2 guidance which Neuropon will share reflects the relevance of our strategy, the resilience of our business model and the ability of our world class team to create value for and with clients. I want to spend just one moment to reflect on that last point. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:02:15Think about the economic environment our clients expected in 2025 and compare it to what they actually encountered. Our team showed remarkable ability to stay close to clients and pivot to serve their rapidly changing needs. Our outcomes are a reflection of their professional excellence and deep client focus. Turning to the second topic of my remarks, that mix of professional excellence and client focus will be vital to our success in a considerably more complex operating environment. Let me spend a minute sharing what we hear in client conversations, how we are responding, and how it might shape our performance. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:02:53First, I'll state the obvious. This is not a business that benefits from the status quo. In simple terms, not a single client meeting in the last seventy two years has ended with the following client quote. Things are going perfectly right now and we are well set up for the future. Let's call Heidrick. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:03:13Our opportunity to create value springs from the simple client need to drive great business outcomes by getting the right leaders in the right roles working in the right way. This need becomes more pronounced, more visible, and more urgent during times of economic chop. That said, this incredible opportunity for impact can sometimes be balanced by client caution in initiating, proceeding, or completing work. The net result is the dynamic we shared at Investor Day, where although we demonstrate consistent growth across time, individual quarters can show periods of volatility in periods of economic difficulty. As you can see from our strong results and forecast, we aren't seeing that dynamic. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:03:57That said, we can obviously imagine a world where caution creeps into client decision making, and the second half of the year looks different than the first half. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:04:06We are staying very close Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:04:07to clients and monitoring activities, tone, and outcome really closely right now. Our resulting strategy for this environment is quite simple. Stay close to clients and arm our teams with the tools and resources to drive great client impact. We know that in times of uncertainty, clients look for help on a different set of issues, and we are putting in place tools and resources so that teams rapidly deliver on these needs. In this category, we are putting in place great resources to help them adapt leadership strategies to changing supply chain networks, link people's strategies to the opportunities and risks of AI, and drive resilient performance cultures in times of rapid change. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:04:49That said, every client and every client's strategy is unique, And it's our job to stay in constant touch with them to shape their response and our support for these complex times. This client focus is enabled by some really attractive business model attributes that allow us to focus on client outcomes rather than financial engineering. These include revenue that is well diversified across geographies, industries, solution areas, zero client concentration, a variable cost structure, low CapEx, and zero debt. These factors combined with our incredible people and unique set of assets and capabilities gives us great confidence in our medium term through cycle targets shared at our Investor Day. Organic revenue growth of mid to high single digits and organic adjusted EBITDA growth between five percent and eight percent per year. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:05:46This is a great place to transition to one more topic. Achieving these through cycle growth targets requires us to relentlessly focus on our long term strategic priorities. Together, these will enable us to create unrivaled value for clients, colleagues, and shareholders by creating differentiated, deep, and durable client relationships. Let me reshare these with you. First, we want to be the most trusted leadership partner for the C suite and board. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:06:16We believe that our focus on leadership talent differentiates us. We remain committed to consistently growing our executive search and assessment capabilities, which are the cornerstone of our enterprise. This work not only immediately inflects client performance, it gives us unmatched access to leaders and their priorities, allowing us to build valuable insights and rich data sets. We believe one of the most important C suite roles that we help define and support is the Chief People Officer. It's a role that has undergone dramatic transformation in the past decade. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:06:51And CPOs have been at the center of the most challenging issues of our time. From pandemic response to the hybrid work debate, to the rapidly shifting dialogue about inclusion, to the challenges posed by changing immigration approaches. But even as headlines whipsaw their daily agenda, CPOs are on the hook for architecting corporate strategies that reflect several of the most important challenges to the c suite. Remaking work to best leverage the interplay of human and digital workers in the age of AI. Creating leadership and talent strategies for a world where demographic and labor mobility headwinds create real scarcity in leadership talent. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:07:32Assuring the performance of leaders and leadership teams in a world where volatility is the norm, to name just a few. We've launched deep research and an event series to help CPOs balance this complex mandate and to help CEOs and boards select and leverage the next generation of key people partners. Second, to help clients lead transformation in the new world of leadership. As we shared at Investor Day, relationship size and stickiness correlate strongly with our ability to support clients in multiple ways. This isn't some boiler room cross selling effort. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:08:11It's leveraging the access and insight of our exceptional consultants to accelerate client performance in new ways. We enjoy a substantial tailwind in this work. Every leader in every role in every industry has a transformation mandate. It might be to leverage AI or enter new markets or drive cost advantage. Regardless of the destination, this transformation invariably requires new leaders and new ways of leading and creates an opportunity for us to partner with them to drive great outcomes. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:08:47Obviously, environment right now is leading to a reprioritization of key initiatives with topics like creating a cost focused culture and rationalizing the corporate portfolio rising in prominence. In response, we have assembled toolkits that help our teams guide clients through this work and allow us to partner with them to accelerate their outcomes. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:09:09We know that we grow larger and Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:09:10more impactful client relationships by linking our work to ambitious client goals. And no matter the environment, clients always have, indeed clients always need ambitious goals. Third, we're innovating to create continuous client engagement. And working with leading CEOs, boards, and chief people officers, we continue to see an important theme emerging. Leadership and talent decisions are becoming an always on activity. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:09:40This shouldn't be surprising as there has been a step function increase in annual report language devoted to the economic importance of talent, culture, and succession. And yet historically, the process for managing this risk has lacked consistency and rigor. We don't expect every company to change how they work overnight, but we also can't imagine a world in which a topic as important as top of the house leadership will be a continued afterthought in ongoing corporate management. And we know that embedding this work at scaling companies will require just the type of at scale digital tooling that our investments are targeting. In sum, while we confront a volatile market, we see enormous opportunities to grow our impact on clients and thereby our business. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:10:29Our fast start to 2025 reflects our team's ability to create real value for clients in the face of this complex environment. That said, we know that this complexity can slow down client decision making, but never eliminates their need to perform at a high level. Our roadmap for executing our strategy of creating differentiated, deep and durable relationships will allow unrivaled value for clients, colleagues and shareholders. With that, I will now hand the call over to Nirupam to provide a detailed review of our financial performance and outlook. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:11:03Thank you, Tom. In a highly dynamic environment, we delivered strong results in the first quarter of twenty twenty five with outperformance in the top line that exceeded the high end of our outlook and robust profitability. In the next few minutes, I'll walk through the details of our performance along with our Q2 outlook. First quarter revenue reached approximately $284,000,000 marking a 7% increase compared to Q1 twenty twenty four. Adjusted EBITDA improved $3,300,000 to $29,100,000 and adjusted EBITDA margin expanded 50 basis points to 10.3%. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:11:37Looking more deeply at operating expenses, salary and benefits increased 8.6% from the prior year quarter. Fixed compensation increased $4,200,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty five due to higher separation, base salaries and payroll taxes, retirement and benefits, and talent acquisition and retention costs, partially offset by decreases in the deferred compensation plan and compensation. Variable compensation increased $10,900,000 benefiting from an increase in consultant productivity. As a percentage of net revenue, salaries and benefits were 66.8% versus 65.8% in the year ago period. Excluding a 3,700,000 operational reorganization charge, salaries and benefits would have been 65.5%. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:12:21Consistent with our prior commentary, for the full year, we continue to expect the normalized run rate to be in the 65% range. General and administrative expenses of $41,400,000 were relatively flat versus the year ago period and include a fair value earn out adjustment, which is excluded from our adjusted results. As a percentage of net revenue, general and administrative expenses improved 100 basis points from the prior year to 14.6%. With respect to R and D, as we have described previously, we continue to invest in the future of HICA. At the core of this investment is IP that powers all our businesses, including search, IT consulting, and our digital product portfolio. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:12:59R and D spend for the first quarter was 6,400,000 or 2.3% of net revenue. Now, let's turn to each of our businesses for further details. In Executive Search, revenue grew 6% to $213,000,000 Looking at our regional performance compared to the prior year quarter, we saw revenue increases of 6% in The Americas, 9 Percent in Europe, and 1% in APAC. As you know, we have a diversified practice platform with great client engagement. In the first quarter, saw outperformance by the majority of our practice groups. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:13:31Consulting productivity annualized in the first quarter at two million dollars compared to $1,900,000 on the same basis in the year ago quarter, and we saw increases in confirmations and average revenue per Executive Search. We're also very pleased with Executive Search improving its already strong profitability with adjusted EBITDA of 52,300,000 and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 24.5%. Turning to on demand talent, revenue increased 12% to $43,000,000 marking a continued outperformance amid market dynamics. We saw increases in volume in both wins and project extensions. On demand talent recorded adjusted EBITDA of 400,000.0 versus an adjusted EBITDA loss of 900,000.0 in the year ago period. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:14:11This business addresses an urgent client need, complements our search business, enhances our ability to serve clients comprehensively. We're continuing to foster innovation in our products and services with Pivot and accelerate growth, particularly on the interim talent side of our on demand business. Looking at Heidrick Consulting, we saw first quarter organic revenue increase 7% year over year to $28,000,000 driven by increases in leadership assessment as we implement a more intense focus on pairing assessments with Executive Search. Adjusted EBITDA loss was $2,100,000 for the quarter. Moving forward, we are focused on growing the business while benefiting from efficiency gains as we refine and simplify Heidrick Consulting's offerings and focus on its core strengths. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:14:52Turning to the bottom line performance, adjusted net income for the quarter was $14,200,000 which includes the fair value adjustment related to the on demand talent business versus $14,000,000 last year. Twenty twenty five first quarter adjusted diluted EPS was $0.67 consistent with the year ago period. Now I'll turn to the balance sheet. We ended the first quarter in a strong cash position of $325,000,000 up $72,000,000 from $253,000,000 at the March 2024. This balance, coupled with our credit facility, gives us great strength and flexibility to execute our sheet plan and return capital to our shareholders. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:15:30Moving forward, we expect second quarter revenue to be within the range of $285,000,000 to $3.00 $5,000,000 This compares to $279,000,000 in Q2 of twenty twenty four. As we discussed previously, the current economic climate can heighten uncertainty, which may lead clients to delay initiating new projects or to temporarily pause ongoing ones. In most cases, the underlying demand does not dissipate, and this client work resumes once there's greater clarity or stability in the macro environment. In conclusion, our performance underscores the strength and diversification of our business model, which continues to enable us to deliver for clients across a variety of market environments. These results are a testament to the dedication and focus of our global teams, We remain committed to serving our clients with excellence amid ongoing macroeconomic uncertainty. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:16:18As we look ahead, we remain confident in our ability to navigate the evolving landscape with discipline while continuing to drive long term value for our shareholders. With that, operator, if you could please open the lines, Tom and I would be happy to take questions. Operator00:16:44Your first question comes from the line of Mark Riddick with Sidoti and Company. Your line is open. Marc RiddickBusiness Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC00:16:53Hey, good evening. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:16:56Hey, Mark. Marc RiddickBusiness Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC00:16:58So given all the headlines and what have you, was wondering if you could talk a little bit about what we're thinking and given past disruptions and recessions that Heidrick has gone through. I was wondering if there are any that were specifically or particularly relevant in assessing how things might downturn here in 2025 and how that could impact the business? Or put another way, do you view today's circumstances as being unique? Or can we draw on any meaningful parallels in the past? Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:17:36Obviously, it's something we talk about internally. Like pretty much every other business, there are segments of what we do that slow down during periods of economic distress. To the good, as you can see from our results and our forecast, we're not seeing them yet. Hence, as the adage goes, if you've seen one economic downturn, you've seen exactly one economic downturn. Just think for a second about the contrast between the global financial crisis and the COVID era. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:18:05The first one was sector focused and long, the second broad based with a fast snapback. So even over the last two decades, the economic uncertainty periods have looked very different. And look, we like boom times as much as anyone else. But our business does have some attributes that allow us to weather these storms better than others and certainly better than the past. First, great economic attributes, no debt, little CapEx, embedded flexibility due to variable cost. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:18:40We have a business mix that is well diversified across region, industry and service line. And most importantly, we have a laser like focus on client value that gives clients the fastest return of any advisory category. Fourth of memory, across all our service lines, our projects don't require years of work or tens of million dollars in cost, like, let's say, a major software implementation or digital rearchitecture. You can move quickly at a fraction of the cost of some of those major transformations to really lift performance. So by staying close to clients, can make ourselves highly relevant, that's our job. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:19:18But more broadly, we're not seeing any of this yet, as you can see from our outcomes, but we keep our eyes very closely on activity levels and client tone. Marc RiddickBusiness Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC00:19:31Great. And then I was wondering if could talk a little bit about the it's obviously a good time to have a strong balance sheet and zero debt. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about your thoughts on use of cash and maybe more broadly, maybe what you're seeing out there in the as potential acquisition pipeline, whether much has changed given the headlines that we've seen over the last few months? Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:19:55Thanks, Mark. It's Nirpalm here. So as a quick reminder, we still have earn out payments in 2026 from some of our past acquisitions. So as we think about the cash, we're obviously managing cash flow to pay those out. And so cash kind of usage and how we think about cash, certainly that factor will play in. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:20:14Now, as always, we're constantly ensuring we can make the right organic investments into our service lines, and we continue to see that as the overall priority. Now, as we've noted in the past, in our business, and as people will note in any professional service business, often just think about organic investments or a hiring conversation, that sometimes turns into an acquisition or a lift out, especially talking about boutiques or smaller players. And so we view that as a matter of regular business to evaluate those opportunities, to be in those dialogues and to ensure we're staying ahead of opportunities that can help us. So that's how we kind of think about M and A at this point in cash usage. So number one, we have our announced pay. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:20:48Number two, we think organic investments is still a priority. And then three, some of those organic investments turned to acquisitions and that's life of what we do here. Marc RiddickBusiness Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC00:21:00Okay. And then sort of pivoting a bit on the in a way on the M and A kind of conversation. Could you sort of share any thoughts as to what you're seeing thus far as M and A being a driver of client demand? We've seen sort of an interesting wave of global M and A activity year to date. And I was maybe wondering if you could give sort of an update as to what you're seeing or whether it was similar to or met your expectations at the beginning of the year. Marc RiddickBusiness Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC00:21:29Thanks. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:21:30Look, I think M and A falls right in that category of every client's working on something, right? And M and A scale or tuck in creates a lot of opportunities for us to engage them around making sure they have the right team, are they harmonizing their culture, how do they assess when you combine two companies, who gets what role. So there's a lot of activities that spring out of that, either at scale or think about just restructuring cap table, whatever it is. And it's one of a bunch of things where you look and say, gosh, pretty much anything that if you could look inside the folder where any CEO carries around their MBOs, you could look at the five or six things they have absolutely got to get done and they all have significant implications for leadership. Because even if they're not doing integrating M and A, they might be doing a cost out, they might be doing the digital transformation, they might be doing going the other direction on M and A and carving out a business. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:22:31And every one of them has lots of places for us to bring our expertise to bear to help them be successful. Marc RiddickBusiness Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC00:22:41Great, thank you very much. Operator00:22:45Your next question comes from the line of Kevin Steinke with Barrington Research. Your line is open. Kevin SteinkeManaging Director at Barrington Research Associates00:22:52Great, thank you. I wanted to ask about a comment you made in your prepared remarks as it relates to Heidrick Consulting. I believe you mentioned simplifying their operations and maybe how that relates to increasing the profitability of that business as we move forward. I don't know if there's any more color or flavor you could add to that. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:23:26Yeah, I'm happy to take that Kevin, it's Niripom. So a couple of things here. I think one just there were some one time items in Q1 that impacted you, but including a reorganization charge. And so on a quarter to quarter basis, there can be a timing issue. So as you think about sort of profitability in that business. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:23:45So if you look back to and think about Q1 last year, the business was in a very different spot than it is today. And so you can imagine that bonus accruals were also in a different perspective than they are right now. So assuming the business sustains momentum, we'll hit more normalized comps in the back half of the year. So that's kind of the first thing to just keep in mind. I think second, we continue to see improvements in how we perform in that business. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:24:09And I think longer term, we're still very focused on hitting the long term guidance that we gave back in Investor Day. So 11% to 13% for consulting that we shared then is still sort of what we expect, and we're making progress on that on a steady basis daily. Kevin SteinkeManaging Director at Barrington Research Associates00:24:31Okay, great. So can you just refresh us on organic investments and you mentioned that obviously is a capital allocation priority, I guess, beyond hiring? Or is there anything you're focused on specifically that you could update us on? Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:24:55I think the good news is our business is pretty straightforward. It's how many great people do we have and how are we making them even more successful. So think of any organic growth investment is going to fit comfortably into one of those two buckets. First and foremost, adding great people, either growing them in our system or putting great people on the Heidrick platform so they can be more successful, and then investments in obviously some of our digital tools, some of our intellectual property, marketing, and development to help everyone get stronger and better and make them it's an easy business. I know May has passed, but it's more Jedi Knights and better lightsabers. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:25:33That's kind of we think about growing this business, that's what it comes down to. Kevin SteinkeManaging Director at Barrington Research Associates00:25:40Okay, great. And when we think about the current environment we're in, I know you were talking about Chief People Officers as an example, but have you seen any sort of particular type of search going on or consulting project or type of talent being sourced in on demand talent? Has there been any kind of meaningful change in the types of activities that clients are seeking from you across the segment? Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:26:18The short answer is there's always little peaks and valleys, right? There's stuff that goes on. I think if you work sort of see through some of what's going on short term, there are some longer term themes that are driving how companies are thinking about their top talent. One is, look, set aside whatever's going on in tariffs. We've been on a long cycle stretching back to Brexit and beyond, where borders matter more indifferently than they had for sort of twenty years before. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:26:47And so people are asking questions like, how do I organize at the top of the house? How do I want to think about my supply chain? Do I need resilience? People looked at the supply chain challenges during COVID. And so thematically, that sometimes shows up as your regional org structure. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:27:01Sometimes it shows up as where you're locating work. It sometimes shows up as I need new and different supply chain talent. It may show up as new and different finance talent. So the theme tends to be the issue that each company actualizes differently. Similarly, we went through a long, long time of interest rates being really low. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:27:20And now we're seeing a cycle where interest rates are higher, and people, particularly let's say in private equity or any sort of capital allocation method are thinking about, okay, what's the sort of talent I need there? Do I need different CEO profiles? Do I need different CFO profiles? How do I think about different skill sets? We highlighted the CPO because every one of these problems, from the what's our expectation for office attendance on Monday all the way up to how the digital workers interface with human workers lands on their desks, so they are absolutely really busy right now and we're trying to partner with them to make them incredibly successful so they can drive value. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:28:04But yeah, think the thematic, it tends to be more a set of themes that show up and then present differently at different clients in terms of how they decide what to go to work on. Kevin SteinkeManaging Director at Barrington Research Associates00:28:16All right. Well, that's good color. I appreciate the comments. I will turn it back over. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:28:23Thanks, Shiv. Operator00:28:26Your next question comes from the line of Tobey Sommer with Truist. Tyler BarishawEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:28:30This Tyler BarishawEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:28:34is Tyler Barishaw on for Tobey. Can you discuss some of your trends in Europe? Revenue up like 9% and EBITDA up close to 50%. Just curious, could you discuss what are some of the drivers of that? And any changes going on post the Liberation Day with changes in trends in Europe? Tyler BarishawEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:28:51Thank you. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:28:53Yeah, happy to start there Tyler. So in general, I mean I think we've seen across the board sort of Europe perform pretty well. I mean there's not one particular sector that's kind of standing out for us. You see it across technology, financial services, industrials, consumer. I I think across the board, we've seen pretty good performance there. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:29:14Now, how much is that attributed back to Liberation I don't know if I can exactly tell you that. Tom, maybe you can comment on that. But generally, I Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:29:23think it's good performance across the board. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:29:27First Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:29:29of all, Liberation Day was in this quarter. Look, you have seen some stimulative activity by a couple of European governments and that on balance gives people confidence. You've seen certain sectors are you're getting coming in focus, think European aerospace and defense, which is obviously feels there's going be a lot of resourcing heading their way. I think it's more just, again, our business is not unlike all of our clients, having a great team in place is number one, and having that team working and focused the right way is the second big piece of that. So I think we're just seeing a great team building that has gone on over there continuing to pay dividends. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:30:17But I don't use one thing necessarily. Tyler BarishawEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:30:22Got it. And just transitioning to some of the other segments, on demand talent and consulting, can you just talk about maybe profitability expectations for the year? Should we expect them both to be profitable, finish the year profitable? Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:30:36I think, as I said about consulting a second ago, I think the same would be true for on demand talent. I mean, I think we saw on demand talent break into profitability this quarter, which which we're pleased by. I think for us, it's less of the focus quarter by quarter. It's more are we kind of marching towards the guidance that we've given. And I think we feel good about the guidance that we've given and sort of marching towards the longer term profitability goals. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:31:00So for us, that's how we sort of think about it with on demand talent 7% to 9% and consulting at 11% to 13% as we've shared previously. Tyler BarishawEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:31:11Got it. And then just one final one. Can you discuss any difference in demand trends among different end markets and maybe particularly financial services, if there's anything to call out there? Thank you. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:31:22Could you repeat the question? I got a little blurred on this end. Sorry. Tyler BarishawEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:31:28Yes, sure. Just wondering if you could talk about demand trends in different key end markets and particularly financial services. Nirupam SinhaCFO at Heidrick & Struggles International00:31:39I mean, think we've sort of seen good demand across. I mean, I look at us by sector, it's been pretty broad based this past quarter. And we've seen it across financial services, global technology and services, industrials, consumer. So there's no one real part standing out for us and I think financial services has been part of what's performed pretty well globally for us. Tyler BarishawEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:32:06Thank you. That's all the questions I have. Operator00:32:10I will turn the call back over to Tom Monahan for closing remarks. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:32:17Thank you, Kate. We appreciate everyone dialing in today. We look forward to keeping you posted as we move through the year, and we know we'll see many of you at upcoming investor conferences or out on the road. In the meantime, please don't hesitate to reach out with any questions. And hope folks enjoy the evening and have a great, although I'm guessing busy week given what you all do. Tom MonahanCEO & Director at Heidrick & Struggles International00:32:37So thanks very much. Bye now. Operator00:32:41Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesTom MonahanCEO & DirectorNirupam SinhaCFOAnalystsMarc RiddickBusiness Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLCKevin SteinkeManaging Director at Barrington Research AssociatesTyler BarishawEquity Research Associate at Truist SecuritiesPowered by