NASDAQ:ATRO Astronics Q1 2025 Earnings Report $35.81 +2.25 (+6.70%) Closing price 06/12/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$35.12 -0.69 (-1.91%) As of 08:32 AM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Astronics EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.44Consensus EPS $0.25Beat/MissBeat by +$0.19One Year Ago EPSN/AAstronics Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$205.94 millionExpected Revenue$192.53 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$13.41 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AAstronics Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date5/6/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, May 6, 2025Conference Call Time4:45PM ETUpcoming EarningsAstronics' Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, July 30, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, July 31, 2025 at 4:45 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Astronics Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 6, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the Astronics Corporation First Quarter Fiscal Year twenty twenty five Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to your host, Deborah Pawlowski, Investor Relations for Astronics Corporation. Please go ahead, Deb. Deborah PawlowskiFounding Partner & Senior Managing Director at Alliance Advisors00:00:39Thanks, Kevin, and good afternoon, everyone. We certainly appreciate your time today and your interest in Astronics. On the call with me here, I have Pete Gunderman, our chairman, president, and CEO, and Nancy Hedges, our Chief Financial Officer. You should have a copy of our first quarter results, which crossed the wires after the market closed today. And if you don't have that release, you can find it on our website at astronics.com. Deborah PawlowskiFounding Partner & Senior Managing Director at Alliance Advisors00:01:06As you are aware, we may make some forward looking statements during the formal discussion and the Q and A session of this conference call. These statements apply to future events that are subject to risks and uncertainties as well as other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from what is stated here today. These risks and uncertainties and other factors are provided in the earnings release as well as with other documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. You can find those documents on our website or at sec.gov. During today's call, we'll also discuss some non GAAP measures which we believe will be useful in evaluating our performance. Deborah PawlowskiFounding Partner & Senior Managing Director at Alliance Advisors00:01:42We should not consider the presentation of this additional information in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. We have provided reconciliations of non GAAP measures with comparable GAAP measures in the tables that accompany today's release. With that, let me turn it over to Pete to begin. Peter? Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:02:02Thank you, Debbie. Hello everybody and welcome to the call. I'm going open the presentation with my comments on the first quarter, which we feel was a very strong start to the year and Nancy will follow-up with some specifics on our financials. Then we'll turn our attention to expectations going forward for the remainder of the year. As I said, the first quarter was a very strong start to 2025. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:02:29Revenue of $2.00 $6,000,000 was at the high end of our range or just beyond and up 11 year over year. The revenue level drove solid improvement on margins with adjusted net income of $17,000,000 up from $2,000,000 last year and adjusted EBITDA of $30,700,000 up from $17,600,000 last year. Adjusted EBITDA was about 15 of sales and similar to the fourth quarter from last year. On a rolling twelve month basis, adjusted EBITDA as we calculate it has been $110,000,000 This is up from $6,716,000,000 dollars for the twelve month period before that. So we've made some pretty solid progress. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:03:25In addition, first quarter bookings were really strong at $280,000,000 which yields a book to bill of 1.36. That bookings total was a new record for the company, which left us with a backlog at June also a new all time record. The bookings included a significant order of $57,000,000 for the next phase of our FLRAA development effort. We remain very engaged in that program and are doing whatever we can to help ensure its success. We expect total development billings of approximately $90,000,000 by the time it is all done and we continue to believe that the program will be a significant driver for our company's long term future. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:04:17It's worth noting that even if one backs out the Flero order from Q1 bookings, we still would have had a book to bill of 1.08, a strong result no matter how one looks at it. Apart from the FLRA order, our first quarter was fairly routine operationally much like the fourth quarter of last year was. The improvement in our performance has not been driven by one time events or significant adjustments, but rather the steady operational improvement across the business, including our supply chain primarily and also the increased efficiency of our workforce together with certain operational improvements we have implemented in recent periods. The rather routine nature of this acceleration gives us confidence in the quality of our results and our expectations for the future. As for segments, our first quarter results were clearly driven by our Aerospace segment, which is performing at a very high level. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:05:18New records were set in the quarter for revenue, bookings and backlog. Revenue of $191,000,000 was up 17% year over year. Bookings of $268,000,000 were the first time ever above $200,000,000 and backlog $614,000,000 was up $66,000,000 over our previous high. Margins are encouraging also with adjusted operating profit in the Aerospace segment of 16.2%. Our Test business on the other hand had a lackluster quarter and sales of only $14,600,000 and an adjusted operating loss of $2,200,000 Results were hurt by an EAC adjustment on a long term development contract of $1,900,000 Bookings were thin at $12,000,000 leaving backlog at 59,000,000 There is some good news in the Test segment and that the cost changes we have recently implemented in business are showing results even at the reduced volume and our long awaited radio test program for the U. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:06:26S. Army remains on track for a volume start in the fourth quarter. But the goodness at test is undermined by the operational challenges we have seen and the result in EAC growth and we're doing a deep dive currently to understand the challenges and strive for some improvements. On a related note, have a few areas in our Aero business that are also challenged and we are taking a close look at these situations also. There are always weak spots in the company our size and we are optimistic that the margin improvement we have seen overall has plenty more room to run if we can get some improvement out of the challenged parts of our business. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:07:10We'll talk more on this topic generally in future calls. Now I'll turn it over to Nancy for some details on our financials in the first quarter. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:07:21Thanks Pete. I'll now walk through the key drivers behind our consolidated Q1 performance and then touch on segment level results. As Pete noted, we had a strong start to fiscal twenty twenty five with continued momentum in our Aerospace segment and solid execution across the organization. Gross margin expansion, improved EBITDA and strong operating cash flow are clear signs that the operational and financial initiatives we implemented over the past year are delivering results. Beginning in Q1 of fiscal twenty twenty five, we implemented a change in how research and development expenses are presented in our financial statements. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:07:58R and D is now shown as a separate line item below gross profit on the income statement, whereas previously it was included within cost of goods sold. The prior period was recasted for comparability. This change enhances transparency and better aligns with common industry practices. That said, gross profit increased 28% year over year to $60,800,000 and gross margin expanded almost three ninety basis points to 29.5%, up from 25.7% in the prior year quarter. This improvement reflects continued volume growth and favorable operating leverage in aerospace. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:08:34The quarter also included a $1,900,000 adjustment, as Pete mentioned, in our test segment related to the long term contract. Operating income was $13,100,000 for the quarter and includes a 6,200,000 true up to the reserve for The UK litigation matter, comprised of $05,000,000 in additional damages and $5,700,000 in interest related accruals. We also incurred $3,000,000 in legal expenses tied to the ongoing litigation. Excluding these items, adjusted operating income was $22,600,000 or 11% of sales compared with $5,500,000 and 3% in the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA was $30,700,000 or 14.9% of sales, up from 9.5% last year, primarily reflecting improved profitability from the higher volume. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:09:26Interest expense declined $2,600,000 year over year due to our successful refinancing of the prior term loan and the ABL late last year. As we've discussed previously, the convertible bond financing was precautionary given the situation at the time with the potential outcome we could have realized with The UK damages award. Given the damages landing at just $12,500,000 and interest expense of $5,700,000 we're comfortable with our available liquidity. There's still the issue of legal fee reimbursement that has not yet been settled on. The plaintiff is estimating $7,200,000 And given we believe we have valid grounds to dispute the position, we have not reserved for this amount. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:10:08The lower interest rate on our convertible debt provides meaningful savings in addition to the liquidity cushion and will significantly reduce full year interest expense. GAAP earnings per share was $0.26 Non GAAP adjusted EPS for the quarter was $0.44 a substantial increase from $05 in the prior year period. Turning to our segment level results, our Aerospace segment delivered record first quarter sales of $191,400,000 a 17% increase year over year. Commercial transport sales rose 13%, driven by continued strength in cabin power and in flight entertainment and connectivity products. Military sales nearly doubled, up 95%, primarily due to our work on the FLAWRA program and increased demand for lighting and safety products. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:10:58Operating profit in Aerospace improved $10,200,000 over the prior year. Adjusted segment operating profit was $31,000,000 in the quarter compared with $15,600,000 a year ago. And on an adjusted basis, Aerospace achieved 56% operating leverage on the higher volume. Adjusted operating margin improved by six sixty basis points year over year to 16.2%. Turning to the Test segment, sales were $14,600,000 down 6,900,000 from Q1 of last year. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:11:31We recorded an adjusted operating loss of $1,500,000 which reflects the $1,900,000 adjustment stemming from those revised cost estimates to the long term mass transit contract. The updated estimates lowered the percentage of work completed, which in turn reduced revenue recognized for the period. This project is now anticipated to be completed later in 2026. The Test segment remains on track to achieve the $4,000,000 to $5,000,000 in annual cost savings, with benefits expected to be more visible in the second half of the year. Bookings totaled $12,000,000 in the quarter, driven by contributions across multiple product categories. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:12:11While the second quarter will continue to be weak for this business, we continue to expect improvement in segment performance as the year progresses, underpinned by the next planned order under the radio test program for the Marines as well as the start of production for the U. S. Army radio test program, which we still anticipate in Q4. Now turning to the cash flow and the balance sheet. We generated $20,600,000 in operating cash flow, up sharply from $2,000,000 in Q1 of last year. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:12:41This improvement was driven by stronger cash earnings and more efficient working capital management. This also marks our second consecutive quarter with operating cash flow in excess of $20,000,000 I should point out that we have a number of items that will impact cash from operations in the second quarter, including the damages award and the interest payment on The UK case. There's also the potential that the legal fee reimbursement issue associated with that case could get determined and if not in our favor, paid in the second quarter. The second quarter cash from operations will also be impacted by significant income tax payments on the order of approximately $10,000,000 related to 2024 and 2025. As our liquidity has improved, we have returned to making quarterly estimated payments. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:13:28Long term debt net of cash at the quarter end was $134,200,000 a $16,000,000 reduction from the prior quarter. We finished the quarter with $25,900,000 in cash and approximately $168,000,000 of availability under our ABL facility. The ABL availability was reduced by the reserve for the damages and interest amounts due under The UK litigation. All said, we ended the quarter with about $194,000,000 in total liquidity. We're currently undrawn on our revolver and expect that cash from operations can fund the business in the near term. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:14:04Our healthy balance sheet provides flexibility to consider value creating initiatives, including acquisitions and share repurchases. We can continue to advance on our financing structure as well. As profitability continues to improve, we will evaluate a transition to a cash flow based revolver, which is less restrictive and eliminates the liquidity block. All of which positions us well to settle the bonds in cash when the time comes. Capital expenditures in the quarter were $2,100,000 For the full year, we now expect CapEx to be in the range of $35,000,000 to $50,000,000 This elevated level reflects both the catch up on previously deferred investments and new spending tied to facility consolidation, capacity expansion and automation and efficiency efforts to support our long term growth. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:14:53The estimates on the facility build out have come in higher than originally anticipated based on more detailed design specifications and current material costs. The team continues to get that amount down as much as possible. Overall, we're pleased with the strong start to the year and encouraged by the underlying performance trends in our core aerospace business. We remain focused on margin expansion, free cash flow generation and consistently executing on continuous improvement. And with that, let me turn it back to Pete. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:15:26Now for a look at the future, which is usually a straightforward discussion, not so much these days. Long story short, we are for now holding to our original top line forecast for 2025 of $820,000,000 to $860,000,000 in revenue, representing a 6% increase on 2024 at the midpoint. However, at the same time, we feel there is both upside potential and downside risk to this forecast. On the positive side, our strong first quarter results and recent booking success suggest there should be upside potential and there very well may be. As we have discussed, there are many positive trends surrounding our industry and our business and there are scenarios in which those positive trends could continue for the indefinite future. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:16:19At the same time, there is reason to be cautious given the macroeconomic concerns that exist today due largely to the tariff regime that the administration in Washington is rolling out. The implications of the on again off again nature of the rollout has caused major uncertainty and many significant companies in a wide range of industries are pulling guidance altogether until the situation is clarified. As for us, we feel we are reasonably well positioned to deal with whatever tariffs become part of the final plan. We estimate our tariff obligation based on the structure currently in place and before mitigations is in the range of 10,000,000 to $20,000,000 This estimate could change obviously if when the tariff rates change and is also dependent on confirming indirect tariffs from our domestic suppliers who may import subcomponents on our behalf. In any event, we feel we have a full toolkit to deal with final tariffs, whatever they turn out to be. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:17:29These include modifying our supply chain first and foremost to favor lower tariff countries, which we did plenty of the first time Trump was in office. Secondly, implementing pass through pricing changes, which we expect will be very achievable in a number of our product lines. And the development of other tariff reducing structures and practices including duty drawback systems, free trade zones and or local for local manufacturing arrangements in certain situations. We hope and expect the tariff situation will stabilize in the coming months and as it does, we will implement a set of actions to minimize the effects for our company and for our customers, preserving value for them and margin for us. This will take some time, but we will maintain a disciplined and determined mindset to make sure we get the best answer. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:18:27We'll certainly plan to be talking about this subject regularly on future calls with you all. And that concludes our prepared remarks. So I think we're ready for questions now. Operator00:18:40Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question today is coming from Jon Tanwanteng from CJS Securities. Your line is now live. Jeremy RouthEquity Research Associate at CJS Securities00:19:22Hi, this is Jeremy on for John. And I want to start by saying congrats on a strong start to the year. And thank you for taking the time. How much mitigation can you do this year to offset the 10,000,000 to $20,000,000 tariff impact? And are you able to quantify what is direct and indirect? Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:19:44Sure. Well, first of all, it's really hard to quantify timing when we don't yet know exactly what the tariffs are going to be. It's a little frustrating. You want to have a plan to solve the situation, but we don't know what the situation is yet. So it's a little hard to act. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:20:06Let me give you a little bit of a flavor. Last time Trump was in office, he implemented some tariffs. We were at that point very heavily involved with subcontract manufacturing in China in particular. And we moved a ton of that out, like $40,000,000 We moved it to other countries which at the time had lower tariff rates. And before you can consider doing something similar now, you kind of have to take a guess as to what those tariffs are going to be in various countries around the world, or you have to kind of wait and see. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:20:49So we don't have a timing plan at this point and we need more surety as to what the tariff structure is going to be before we really pull the trigger on anything significant. But we're considering all kinds of alternatives and playing scenarios back and forth to try to be up to speed and ready to go when the time comes. Your second part of your question about how much was direct and how much was indirect, it's roughly three quarters direct and one quarter indirect. I would also add though that we're relatively confident on what our direct tariff charges were given the current tariff rates. We're still doing quite a bit of digging to confirm what our indirect tariff obligations might be. Nancy, you want to add anything to that? Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:21:45No, think you summarized it well. I mean, our exposure to China significantly less than it previously was. So we think we've, there's still obviously a heavy tariff rate. So that will be impactful depending on where that lands. Yeah, I don't think I have anything else to add. Jeremy RouthEquity Research Associate at CJS Securities00:22:05Understood, thank you for that. And then you mentioned conducting reviews of each business. So does that mean more restructuring or is it maybe a product and portfolio management type review or perhaps a prelude to something more strategic? Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:22:22It could be any of those things. We're not really limiting it and it's a little premature to talk about it till we get done with the reviews. But one of the challenges in running a company like ours from my perspective, we take a number of initiatives to develop new products and develop new businesses. Sometimes those are quickly successful, sometimes they're quickly not successful. And in those cases you have to ask yourself, is it worth investing in? Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:22:54Is it worth maintaining the effort or at some point do you get impatient with it and try to change? And I've got examples in my head right now where we're probably more patient than we should have been and other examples where our patience has paid off very handsomely. So it's not a science, it's a little bit of an art and we're kind of going into these reviews with that mindset. But these are not big chunks of our business. The test business is the biggest. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:23:25The others are relatively small at this point in terms of product lines or initiatives. So should be less consequential, but the test business in particular because it is its own segment, it kind of sticks out like a sore thumb. So it gets a corresponding amount of attention. Jeremy RouthEquity Research Associate at CJS Securities00:23:46Awesome. And then if I could just squeak one more in here. Can you talk about your seven thirty seven expectations today versus last quarter? And if there's any change in how Boeing has communicated its production needs with you, especially given Spirit announcing furloughs and China refusing some deliveries? Thank you. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:24:06Sure. We have not heard of major changes from Boeing. I would remind listeners that we intend to build at a rate somewhat reduced from what they are building. We are however, actually if anything pleased at the progress they seem to be making, which is perhaps a little bit more than what industry in general expected in terms of rate progression as we move through 2025. So we don't think that the wheels are coming off by any means. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:24:44From what I understand the China situation is not consequential at least for 2025. There are plenty of other people who will take their plans if they don't want them. So I think if anything we're encouraged. I mean the sooner they get up to '38 or anything similar to that, the sooner we will get an uptick also as they burn through our inventory. Jeremy RouthEquity Research Associate at CJS Securities00:25:14Awesome. Thank you and congrats again on a great quarter. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:25:18Thank you. Operator00:25:21Thank you. Next question is coming from Sam Struzaker from Truist Securities. Your line is now live. Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:25:28Hi. Good evening, guys. On for Mike Schmoy. And, yeah, congrats on a nice quarter here. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:25:34Thank you. Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:25:34Just to start off kind of building on the last question there. Is there any way you guys could provide any more detail kind of on with the demand within the quarter, how much of that was an arrow you were sort of seeing from for the products that you sell to both? How much of the demand growth was kind of coming from airlines directly versus from the OEMs themselves? Any additional color there by chance? Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:26:01Well, it's been pretty strong demand from both sides. We typically say that our commercial transport sales are roughly 50% line fit and 50% aftermarket with the caveat that there are some major customers of ours where it's kind of hard to actually whether the product is ultimately going to end up line fit or end up aftermarket. But I guess I would tell you that we feel demand has been pretty consistently strong in both sides and we're pretty comfortable with how it sits. Again, absent tariff wars, we think it's the table set for a pretty good trend here with Boeing ramping up production and Airbus also. And a reminder though you didn't ask this specifically, Airbus is just as important to us in terms of line fit content as Boeing is. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:26:58We don't put quite as much content on a typical Airbus airplane, but they build more of them at this point. So the two of them together are very important and all the trends are going in the right direction both for narrow body and wide body. And generally up until the tariff war erupted, demand from the airlines has remained strong also. It hasn't cut off at this point. Our projects tend to be pretty long term projects or at least longer term than one month. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:27:32So we haven't seen a significant change there and I don't expect we will given all the wheels that are in motion for various modification programs. Obviously, if macroeconomic issues result in a depressed economy here in the North America or around the world that will change them sooner or later. But we're not seeing evidence of that at this point. We're certainly not modeling it in. Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:28:05That makes great sense. I'm glad to hear as well. I guess kind of shifting here a little bit over to the test segment. That $1,900,000 charge. Do you guys feel like that's pretty contained at this point? Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:28:20Or I know you mentioned you're kind of still looking into that. I mean, what's the potential incremental risk there or you feel pretty good about where that is after that? Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:28:28We would have to say that there is potential risk there and that's why we're doing this review. The programs in question have suffered from consistent misses, I would say, over the two years that we've been involved. Actually it's longer than that, three or four years. So we have to draw a conclusion to these things sooner than later for the company to get on its right foot. And one of the things we're going to look at is how comfortable are we with those estimates that have come out of that business on those programs. Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:29:10Got it. Makes sense. And then just maybe one last one for me if I could. It seems like The UK settlement is for the most part kind of coming out as a relatively best case scenario for you guys. At this point, are you kind of thinking the worst case risk ceiling would be that 7,200,000.0 and that if, you know, that's worst case scenario, but that's probably the worst you could get. Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:29:33And whichever way that suddenly goes that would sort of be the conclusion to that part of the whole case in The UK? Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:29:41Yes, yes and yes. The $7,200,000 we think is worst case on legal fees. We think it will probably end up or could end up later than that. We're not going to know probably until we have another hearing, which is later in the second quarter here. And then that should be it for UK with the big asterisk that there's likely to be an appeal. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:30:08We don't know that for sure. We expect that it will be an appeal. We're not really that nervous about an appeal at this point. Our lawyers seem to be pretty comfortable with the judgment that we received. So hopefully that's the end of it. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:30:23But if there is an appeal that will likely draw or stretch into the middle of twenty twenty six, would guess at this point. So it'll be a while before it gets resolved. But to qualify the judgments in The UK to date, we're thrilled with the damages ruling. That could have been a whole lot worse based on what the plaintiffs were asking for. We're not so pleased with the interest charges, but given the damages ruling, we'll live with it. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:30:54And the legal situation is a little bit frustrating, but that's how the rules work there. I mean, the legal expense situation is that's something we're familiar with in The UK or in The US, but in The UK legal fees are debatable. We'll see how that works out. But think in a worst case we're going to end up somewhere around $20.22, dollars 20 3 million total. Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:31:19Got it. Makes sense. Yeah. And as you said, mean, with those back then it's still definitely better than what the worst case scenario could have been. And then the Germany side of that, know was like a way far out. Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:31:29That's nothing on the horizon. Right? Any potential reappear over there? You've mentioned that in the past. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:31:34Yes, that's something that is pretty much on hold waiting to see how The UK situation worked out, we suspect. And now that there's some clarity there, Germany may pick up. But again, we don't expect that to happen until 2026 either. So apart from this May hearing on legal fees, it should be a pretty quiet year for the rest of the year in 2025 on the legal front. We're hoping until 2026 gets here and then we'll start to fire it all up again. Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:32:10Got it. Makes good sense. Thanks again for the time and congrats again on the nice results. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:32:16Thank you. Operator00:32:18Thank you. We reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over for any further or closing comments. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:32:26No real closing comments. Thank you for your time and attention. Keep your fingers crossed for successful tariff clarity for all of us sometime soon. Talk to you next quarter. Bye. Operator00:32:39Thank you. That does conclude today's teleconference and webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesPeter GundermannChairman, CEO & PresidentNancy HedgesVice President & CFOAnalystsDeborah PawlowskiFounding Partner & Senior Managing Director at Alliance AdvisorsJeremy RouthEquity Research Associate at CJS SecuritiesSamuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist SecuritiesPowered by Key Takeaways Strong Q1 financial performance: Revenue was $206 million (up 11% YoY) with adjusted net income of $17 million and adjusted EBITDA of $30.7 million (15% of sales). Record bookings and backlog: First‐quarter bookings hit $280 million (book-to-bill of 1.36), including a $57 million FLRAA order, leaving backlog at an all-time high. Segment performance divergence: Aerospace revenue rose 17% with record bookings, backlog and a 16.2% adjusted operating margin, while Test incurred a $1.9 million contract adjustment and an adjusted operating loss, though cost savings and a Q4 Army program start should drive improvement. Strong liquidity and cash flow: Generated $20.6 million in operating cash flow, ended Q1 with $25.9 million cash and $168 million revolver availability, reduced net debt to $134.2 million, and raised full-year CapEx guidance to $35–50 million for facility and automation investments. Guidance and risk factors: FY 2025 revenue outlook of $820–860 million remains, but faces $10–20 million in tariff exposure mitigated via supply-chain adjustments and pricing, and carries a UK litigation reserve of ~$18.2 million plus up to $7.2 million in potential legal fee exposure. AI Generated. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the Astronics Corporation First Quarter Fiscal Year twenty twenty five Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to your host, Deborah Pawlowski, Investor Relations for Astronics Corporation. Please go ahead, Deb. Deborah PawlowskiFounding Partner & Senior Managing Director at Alliance Advisors00:00:39Thanks, Kevin, and good afternoon, everyone. We certainly appreciate your time today and your interest in Astronics. On the call with me here, I have Pete Gunderman, our chairman, president, and CEO, and Nancy Hedges, our Chief Financial Officer. You should have a copy of our first quarter results, which crossed the wires after the market closed today. And if you don't have that release, you can find it on our website at astronics.com. Deborah PawlowskiFounding Partner & Senior Managing Director at Alliance Advisors00:01:06As you are aware, we may make some forward looking statements during the formal discussion and the Q and A session of this conference call. These statements apply to future events that are subject to risks and uncertainties as well as other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from what is stated here today. These risks and uncertainties and other factors are provided in the earnings release as well as with other documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. You can find those documents on our website or at sec.gov. During today's call, we'll also discuss some non GAAP measures which we believe will be useful in evaluating our performance. Deborah PawlowskiFounding Partner & Senior Managing Director at Alliance Advisors00:01:42We should not consider the presentation of this additional information in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. We have provided reconciliations of non GAAP measures with comparable GAAP measures in the tables that accompany today's release. With that, let me turn it over to Pete to begin. Peter? Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:02:02Thank you, Debbie. Hello everybody and welcome to the call. I'm going open the presentation with my comments on the first quarter, which we feel was a very strong start to the year and Nancy will follow-up with some specifics on our financials. Then we'll turn our attention to expectations going forward for the remainder of the year. As I said, the first quarter was a very strong start to 2025. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:02:29Revenue of $2.00 $6,000,000 was at the high end of our range or just beyond and up 11 year over year. The revenue level drove solid improvement on margins with adjusted net income of $17,000,000 up from $2,000,000 last year and adjusted EBITDA of $30,700,000 up from $17,600,000 last year. Adjusted EBITDA was about 15 of sales and similar to the fourth quarter from last year. On a rolling twelve month basis, adjusted EBITDA as we calculate it has been $110,000,000 This is up from $6,716,000,000 dollars for the twelve month period before that. So we've made some pretty solid progress. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:03:25In addition, first quarter bookings were really strong at $280,000,000 which yields a book to bill of 1.36. That bookings total was a new record for the company, which left us with a backlog at June also a new all time record. The bookings included a significant order of $57,000,000 for the next phase of our FLRAA development effort. We remain very engaged in that program and are doing whatever we can to help ensure its success. We expect total development billings of approximately $90,000,000 by the time it is all done and we continue to believe that the program will be a significant driver for our company's long term future. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:04:17It's worth noting that even if one backs out the Flero order from Q1 bookings, we still would have had a book to bill of 1.08, a strong result no matter how one looks at it. Apart from the FLRA order, our first quarter was fairly routine operationally much like the fourth quarter of last year was. The improvement in our performance has not been driven by one time events or significant adjustments, but rather the steady operational improvement across the business, including our supply chain primarily and also the increased efficiency of our workforce together with certain operational improvements we have implemented in recent periods. The rather routine nature of this acceleration gives us confidence in the quality of our results and our expectations for the future. As for segments, our first quarter results were clearly driven by our Aerospace segment, which is performing at a very high level. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:05:18New records were set in the quarter for revenue, bookings and backlog. Revenue of $191,000,000 was up 17% year over year. Bookings of $268,000,000 were the first time ever above $200,000,000 and backlog $614,000,000 was up $66,000,000 over our previous high. Margins are encouraging also with adjusted operating profit in the Aerospace segment of 16.2%. Our Test business on the other hand had a lackluster quarter and sales of only $14,600,000 and an adjusted operating loss of $2,200,000 Results were hurt by an EAC adjustment on a long term development contract of $1,900,000 Bookings were thin at $12,000,000 leaving backlog at 59,000,000 There is some good news in the Test segment and that the cost changes we have recently implemented in business are showing results even at the reduced volume and our long awaited radio test program for the U. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:06:26S. Army remains on track for a volume start in the fourth quarter. But the goodness at test is undermined by the operational challenges we have seen and the result in EAC growth and we're doing a deep dive currently to understand the challenges and strive for some improvements. On a related note, have a few areas in our Aero business that are also challenged and we are taking a close look at these situations also. There are always weak spots in the company our size and we are optimistic that the margin improvement we have seen overall has plenty more room to run if we can get some improvement out of the challenged parts of our business. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:07:10We'll talk more on this topic generally in future calls. Now I'll turn it over to Nancy for some details on our financials in the first quarter. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:07:21Thanks Pete. I'll now walk through the key drivers behind our consolidated Q1 performance and then touch on segment level results. As Pete noted, we had a strong start to fiscal twenty twenty five with continued momentum in our Aerospace segment and solid execution across the organization. Gross margin expansion, improved EBITDA and strong operating cash flow are clear signs that the operational and financial initiatives we implemented over the past year are delivering results. Beginning in Q1 of fiscal twenty twenty five, we implemented a change in how research and development expenses are presented in our financial statements. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:07:58R and D is now shown as a separate line item below gross profit on the income statement, whereas previously it was included within cost of goods sold. The prior period was recasted for comparability. This change enhances transparency and better aligns with common industry practices. That said, gross profit increased 28% year over year to $60,800,000 and gross margin expanded almost three ninety basis points to 29.5%, up from 25.7% in the prior year quarter. This improvement reflects continued volume growth and favorable operating leverage in aerospace. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:08:34The quarter also included a $1,900,000 adjustment, as Pete mentioned, in our test segment related to the long term contract. Operating income was $13,100,000 for the quarter and includes a 6,200,000 true up to the reserve for The UK litigation matter, comprised of $05,000,000 in additional damages and $5,700,000 in interest related accruals. We also incurred $3,000,000 in legal expenses tied to the ongoing litigation. Excluding these items, adjusted operating income was $22,600,000 or 11% of sales compared with $5,500,000 and 3% in the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA was $30,700,000 or 14.9% of sales, up from 9.5% last year, primarily reflecting improved profitability from the higher volume. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:09:26Interest expense declined $2,600,000 year over year due to our successful refinancing of the prior term loan and the ABL late last year. As we've discussed previously, the convertible bond financing was precautionary given the situation at the time with the potential outcome we could have realized with The UK damages award. Given the damages landing at just $12,500,000 and interest expense of $5,700,000 we're comfortable with our available liquidity. There's still the issue of legal fee reimbursement that has not yet been settled on. The plaintiff is estimating $7,200,000 And given we believe we have valid grounds to dispute the position, we have not reserved for this amount. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:10:08The lower interest rate on our convertible debt provides meaningful savings in addition to the liquidity cushion and will significantly reduce full year interest expense. GAAP earnings per share was $0.26 Non GAAP adjusted EPS for the quarter was $0.44 a substantial increase from $05 in the prior year period. Turning to our segment level results, our Aerospace segment delivered record first quarter sales of $191,400,000 a 17% increase year over year. Commercial transport sales rose 13%, driven by continued strength in cabin power and in flight entertainment and connectivity products. Military sales nearly doubled, up 95%, primarily due to our work on the FLAWRA program and increased demand for lighting and safety products. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:10:58Operating profit in Aerospace improved $10,200,000 over the prior year. Adjusted segment operating profit was $31,000,000 in the quarter compared with $15,600,000 a year ago. And on an adjusted basis, Aerospace achieved 56% operating leverage on the higher volume. Adjusted operating margin improved by six sixty basis points year over year to 16.2%. Turning to the Test segment, sales were $14,600,000 down 6,900,000 from Q1 of last year. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:11:31We recorded an adjusted operating loss of $1,500,000 which reflects the $1,900,000 adjustment stemming from those revised cost estimates to the long term mass transit contract. The updated estimates lowered the percentage of work completed, which in turn reduced revenue recognized for the period. This project is now anticipated to be completed later in 2026. The Test segment remains on track to achieve the $4,000,000 to $5,000,000 in annual cost savings, with benefits expected to be more visible in the second half of the year. Bookings totaled $12,000,000 in the quarter, driven by contributions across multiple product categories. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:12:11While the second quarter will continue to be weak for this business, we continue to expect improvement in segment performance as the year progresses, underpinned by the next planned order under the radio test program for the Marines as well as the start of production for the U. S. Army radio test program, which we still anticipate in Q4. Now turning to the cash flow and the balance sheet. We generated $20,600,000 in operating cash flow, up sharply from $2,000,000 in Q1 of last year. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:12:41This improvement was driven by stronger cash earnings and more efficient working capital management. This also marks our second consecutive quarter with operating cash flow in excess of $20,000,000 I should point out that we have a number of items that will impact cash from operations in the second quarter, including the damages award and the interest payment on The UK case. There's also the potential that the legal fee reimbursement issue associated with that case could get determined and if not in our favor, paid in the second quarter. The second quarter cash from operations will also be impacted by significant income tax payments on the order of approximately $10,000,000 related to 2024 and 2025. As our liquidity has improved, we have returned to making quarterly estimated payments. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:13:28Long term debt net of cash at the quarter end was $134,200,000 a $16,000,000 reduction from the prior quarter. We finished the quarter with $25,900,000 in cash and approximately $168,000,000 of availability under our ABL facility. The ABL availability was reduced by the reserve for the damages and interest amounts due under The UK litigation. All said, we ended the quarter with about $194,000,000 in total liquidity. We're currently undrawn on our revolver and expect that cash from operations can fund the business in the near term. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:14:04Our healthy balance sheet provides flexibility to consider value creating initiatives, including acquisitions and share repurchases. We can continue to advance on our financing structure as well. As profitability continues to improve, we will evaluate a transition to a cash flow based revolver, which is less restrictive and eliminates the liquidity block. All of which positions us well to settle the bonds in cash when the time comes. Capital expenditures in the quarter were $2,100,000 For the full year, we now expect CapEx to be in the range of $35,000,000 to $50,000,000 This elevated level reflects both the catch up on previously deferred investments and new spending tied to facility consolidation, capacity expansion and automation and efficiency efforts to support our long term growth. Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:14:53The estimates on the facility build out have come in higher than originally anticipated based on more detailed design specifications and current material costs. The team continues to get that amount down as much as possible. Overall, we're pleased with the strong start to the year and encouraged by the underlying performance trends in our core aerospace business. We remain focused on margin expansion, free cash flow generation and consistently executing on continuous improvement. And with that, let me turn it back to Pete. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:15:26Now for a look at the future, which is usually a straightforward discussion, not so much these days. Long story short, we are for now holding to our original top line forecast for 2025 of $820,000,000 to $860,000,000 in revenue, representing a 6% increase on 2024 at the midpoint. However, at the same time, we feel there is both upside potential and downside risk to this forecast. On the positive side, our strong first quarter results and recent booking success suggest there should be upside potential and there very well may be. As we have discussed, there are many positive trends surrounding our industry and our business and there are scenarios in which those positive trends could continue for the indefinite future. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:16:19At the same time, there is reason to be cautious given the macroeconomic concerns that exist today due largely to the tariff regime that the administration in Washington is rolling out. The implications of the on again off again nature of the rollout has caused major uncertainty and many significant companies in a wide range of industries are pulling guidance altogether until the situation is clarified. As for us, we feel we are reasonably well positioned to deal with whatever tariffs become part of the final plan. We estimate our tariff obligation based on the structure currently in place and before mitigations is in the range of 10,000,000 to $20,000,000 This estimate could change obviously if when the tariff rates change and is also dependent on confirming indirect tariffs from our domestic suppliers who may import subcomponents on our behalf. In any event, we feel we have a full toolkit to deal with final tariffs, whatever they turn out to be. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:17:29These include modifying our supply chain first and foremost to favor lower tariff countries, which we did plenty of the first time Trump was in office. Secondly, implementing pass through pricing changes, which we expect will be very achievable in a number of our product lines. And the development of other tariff reducing structures and practices including duty drawback systems, free trade zones and or local for local manufacturing arrangements in certain situations. We hope and expect the tariff situation will stabilize in the coming months and as it does, we will implement a set of actions to minimize the effects for our company and for our customers, preserving value for them and margin for us. This will take some time, but we will maintain a disciplined and determined mindset to make sure we get the best answer. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:18:27We'll certainly plan to be talking about this subject regularly on future calls with you all. And that concludes our prepared remarks. So I think we're ready for questions now. Operator00:18:40Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question today is coming from Jon Tanwanteng from CJS Securities. Your line is now live. Jeremy RouthEquity Research Associate at CJS Securities00:19:22Hi, this is Jeremy on for John. And I want to start by saying congrats on a strong start to the year. And thank you for taking the time. How much mitigation can you do this year to offset the 10,000,000 to $20,000,000 tariff impact? And are you able to quantify what is direct and indirect? Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:19:44Sure. Well, first of all, it's really hard to quantify timing when we don't yet know exactly what the tariffs are going to be. It's a little frustrating. You want to have a plan to solve the situation, but we don't know what the situation is yet. So it's a little hard to act. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:20:06Let me give you a little bit of a flavor. Last time Trump was in office, he implemented some tariffs. We were at that point very heavily involved with subcontract manufacturing in China in particular. And we moved a ton of that out, like $40,000,000 We moved it to other countries which at the time had lower tariff rates. And before you can consider doing something similar now, you kind of have to take a guess as to what those tariffs are going to be in various countries around the world, or you have to kind of wait and see. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:20:49So we don't have a timing plan at this point and we need more surety as to what the tariff structure is going to be before we really pull the trigger on anything significant. But we're considering all kinds of alternatives and playing scenarios back and forth to try to be up to speed and ready to go when the time comes. Your second part of your question about how much was direct and how much was indirect, it's roughly three quarters direct and one quarter indirect. I would also add though that we're relatively confident on what our direct tariff charges were given the current tariff rates. We're still doing quite a bit of digging to confirm what our indirect tariff obligations might be. Nancy, you want to add anything to that? Nancy HedgesVice President & CFO at Astronics Corp00:21:45No, think you summarized it well. I mean, our exposure to China significantly less than it previously was. So we think we've, there's still obviously a heavy tariff rate. So that will be impactful depending on where that lands. Yeah, I don't think I have anything else to add. Jeremy RouthEquity Research Associate at CJS Securities00:22:05Understood, thank you for that. And then you mentioned conducting reviews of each business. So does that mean more restructuring or is it maybe a product and portfolio management type review or perhaps a prelude to something more strategic? Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:22:22It could be any of those things. We're not really limiting it and it's a little premature to talk about it till we get done with the reviews. But one of the challenges in running a company like ours from my perspective, we take a number of initiatives to develop new products and develop new businesses. Sometimes those are quickly successful, sometimes they're quickly not successful. And in those cases you have to ask yourself, is it worth investing in? Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:22:54Is it worth maintaining the effort or at some point do you get impatient with it and try to change? And I've got examples in my head right now where we're probably more patient than we should have been and other examples where our patience has paid off very handsomely. So it's not a science, it's a little bit of an art and we're kind of going into these reviews with that mindset. But these are not big chunks of our business. The test business is the biggest. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:23:25The others are relatively small at this point in terms of product lines or initiatives. So should be less consequential, but the test business in particular because it is its own segment, it kind of sticks out like a sore thumb. So it gets a corresponding amount of attention. Jeremy RouthEquity Research Associate at CJS Securities00:23:46Awesome. And then if I could just squeak one more in here. Can you talk about your seven thirty seven expectations today versus last quarter? And if there's any change in how Boeing has communicated its production needs with you, especially given Spirit announcing furloughs and China refusing some deliveries? Thank you. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:24:06Sure. We have not heard of major changes from Boeing. I would remind listeners that we intend to build at a rate somewhat reduced from what they are building. We are however, actually if anything pleased at the progress they seem to be making, which is perhaps a little bit more than what industry in general expected in terms of rate progression as we move through 2025. So we don't think that the wheels are coming off by any means. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:24:44From what I understand the China situation is not consequential at least for 2025. There are plenty of other people who will take their plans if they don't want them. So I think if anything we're encouraged. I mean the sooner they get up to '38 or anything similar to that, the sooner we will get an uptick also as they burn through our inventory. Jeremy RouthEquity Research Associate at CJS Securities00:25:14Awesome. Thank you and congrats again on a great quarter. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:25:18Thank you. Operator00:25:21Thank you. Next question is coming from Sam Struzaker from Truist Securities. Your line is now live. Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:25:28Hi. Good evening, guys. On for Mike Schmoy. And, yeah, congrats on a nice quarter here. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:25:34Thank you. Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:25:34Just to start off kind of building on the last question there. Is there any way you guys could provide any more detail kind of on with the demand within the quarter, how much of that was an arrow you were sort of seeing from for the products that you sell to both? How much of the demand growth was kind of coming from airlines directly versus from the OEMs themselves? Any additional color there by chance? Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:26:01Well, it's been pretty strong demand from both sides. We typically say that our commercial transport sales are roughly 50% line fit and 50% aftermarket with the caveat that there are some major customers of ours where it's kind of hard to actually whether the product is ultimately going to end up line fit or end up aftermarket. But I guess I would tell you that we feel demand has been pretty consistently strong in both sides and we're pretty comfortable with how it sits. Again, absent tariff wars, we think it's the table set for a pretty good trend here with Boeing ramping up production and Airbus also. And a reminder though you didn't ask this specifically, Airbus is just as important to us in terms of line fit content as Boeing is. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:26:58We don't put quite as much content on a typical Airbus airplane, but they build more of them at this point. So the two of them together are very important and all the trends are going in the right direction both for narrow body and wide body. And generally up until the tariff war erupted, demand from the airlines has remained strong also. It hasn't cut off at this point. Our projects tend to be pretty long term projects or at least longer term than one month. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:27:32So we haven't seen a significant change there and I don't expect we will given all the wheels that are in motion for various modification programs. Obviously, if macroeconomic issues result in a depressed economy here in the North America or around the world that will change them sooner or later. But we're not seeing evidence of that at this point. We're certainly not modeling it in. Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:28:05That makes great sense. I'm glad to hear as well. I guess kind of shifting here a little bit over to the test segment. That $1,900,000 charge. Do you guys feel like that's pretty contained at this point? Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:28:20Or I know you mentioned you're kind of still looking into that. I mean, what's the potential incremental risk there or you feel pretty good about where that is after that? Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:28:28We would have to say that there is potential risk there and that's why we're doing this review. The programs in question have suffered from consistent misses, I would say, over the two years that we've been involved. Actually it's longer than that, three or four years. So we have to draw a conclusion to these things sooner than later for the company to get on its right foot. And one of the things we're going to look at is how comfortable are we with those estimates that have come out of that business on those programs. Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:29:10Got it. Makes sense. And then just maybe one last one for me if I could. It seems like The UK settlement is for the most part kind of coming out as a relatively best case scenario for you guys. At this point, are you kind of thinking the worst case risk ceiling would be that 7,200,000.0 and that if, you know, that's worst case scenario, but that's probably the worst you could get. Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:29:33And whichever way that suddenly goes that would sort of be the conclusion to that part of the whole case in The UK? Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:29:41Yes, yes and yes. The $7,200,000 we think is worst case on legal fees. We think it will probably end up or could end up later than that. We're not going to know probably until we have another hearing, which is later in the second quarter here. And then that should be it for UK with the big asterisk that there's likely to be an appeal. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:30:08We don't know that for sure. We expect that it will be an appeal. We're not really that nervous about an appeal at this point. Our lawyers seem to be pretty comfortable with the judgment that we received. So hopefully that's the end of it. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:30:23But if there is an appeal that will likely draw or stretch into the middle of twenty twenty six, would guess at this point. So it'll be a while before it gets resolved. But to qualify the judgments in The UK to date, we're thrilled with the damages ruling. That could have been a whole lot worse based on what the plaintiffs were asking for. We're not so pleased with the interest charges, but given the damages ruling, we'll live with it. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:30:54And the legal situation is a little bit frustrating, but that's how the rules work there. I mean, the legal expense situation is that's something we're familiar with in The UK or in The US, but in The UK legal fees are debatable. We'll see how that works out. But think in a worst case we're going to end up somewhere around $20.22, dollars 20 3 million total. Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:31:19Got it. Makes sense. Yeah. And as you said, mean, with those back then it's still definitely better than what the worst case scenario could have been. And then the Germany side of that, know was like a way far out. Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:31:29That's nothing on the horizon. Right? Any potential reappear over there? You've mentioned that in the past. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:31:34Yes, that's something that is pretty much on hold waiting to see how The UK situation worked out, we suspect. And now that there's some clarity there, Germany may pick up. But again, we don't expect that to happen until 2026 either. So apart from this May hearing on legal fees, it should be a pretty quiet year for the rest of the year in 2025 on the legal front. We're hoping until 2026 gets here and then we'll start to fire it all up again. Samuel StruhsakerEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:32:10Got it. Makes good sense. Thanks again for the time and congrats again on the nice results. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:32:16Thank you. Operator00:32:18Thank you. We reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over for any further or closing comments. Peter GundermannChairman, CEO & President at Astronics Corp00:32:26No real closing comments. Thank you for your time and attention. Keep your fingers crossed for successful tariff clarity for all of us sometime soon. Talk to you next quarter. Bye. Operator00:32:39Thank you. That does conclude today's teleconference and webcast. 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