Inter Parfums Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 6, 2025

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Interperform's First Quarter twenty twenty five Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, participants are in a listen only mode. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to your host, Karen Daley, Vice President at The Equity Group and Interpoliform's Investor Relations representative. Please go ahead, Karen.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Kevin. Joining us on the call today will be Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Jean Madar and Chief Financial Officer, Michelle Atwood. On behalf of the company, I would like to note that this conference call may contain forward looking statements, which involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to be materially different from projected results. These factors may be found in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission under the headings Forward Looking Statements and Risk Factors. Forward looking statements speak only as of the date on which they are made, and Inter Parfums undertakes no obligation to update the information discussed.

Speaker 1

As a reminder, Interparfums consolidated results include two business segments European based operations through Interparfums S. A, the company's 72% owned French subsidiary and United States based operations. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Jean Madar. Jean?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Karine, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's call. We started the year on a strong note with our reported net sales increasing by 5% or 7% on a like for like basis. Three of our top brands, Coach, Jimmy Choo and Donna Karan, Diqui and Wide performed exceptionally well as did our newest brands, Lacoste and Cavalier in their second year under our management. We also launched several compelling fragrances that contributed to our results. And we have many more scents to unveil for the balance of the year.

Speaker 2

Our prestige brand portfolio, robust distribution network and agile business model have positioned us well to deliver strong and encouraging results. The flexibility of our supply chain allows us to respond swiftly during challenging periods to minimize potential disruptions and to consistently maintain our service level and competitive position. Fragrance stands out within the beauty industry for its resilience, driven by stronger loyalty and its appeal as an accessible luxury, especially appreciated during times when consumers are more selective with their spending. Our top brands continue to drive growth at our European based operations. Jimmy Choo's legacy franchises, I Want Shoe and Jimmy Choo Men, which included the introduction of Jimmy Choo Men Extreme, performed exceptionally well.

Speaker 2

The new Coachmen extension, MEN Eau de Parfum, with NBA superstar Jason Tatum as the new face of Coach fragrances drove Coach growth. Items demand for Lacrosse Fragrance continued in early twenty twenty five as well. As for Montblanc, sales are down compared to the prior year period as a result of the timing of innovation, but we are confident that the brand will achieve more favorable comparisons for the balance of the year with the upcoming launch of Explorer Extreme as a catalyst. For our United States based operations, net sales rose 3% on a like for like basis, on top of 11% organic sales growth during the twenty twenty four first quarter. Donna Karan DKNY Fragrance sales rose by 5%, resulting from the continued strength of our Cashmere Mist franchise.

Speaker 2

Although we continue to expect sales gains for guests in the full year, Fragrance sales declined slightly during the quarter given the high bar set in the prior year period when the brand grew by 21%. With consumer demand for high quality and concentrated scents showing no signs of leading up, we continue to roll out new fragrances that appeal to their preferences, including the recent launches of Ferragamo Fiama, our first blockbuster launch for the brand, which debuted at the of March, very March, expressing the modern femininity in Ferragamo's first place, Florence, Italy. And we also noticed Lacoste launch, L1212 Silver and Silver Rose. We will also introduce a new blockbuster for Roberto Cavalli in June called Certain Time. We have a strong lineup of fragrance extensions for many brands, including all our largest brands, Jimmy Choo, Montblanc, Coach, Guest, Donna Karan, Ferragamo and Lacoste.

Speaker 2

Plus, we will be adding new extensions for Kate Spade, Roche, Slagerfeld and Van Cleef families. As we look ahead, we are continuing to strategically refine our brand portfolio to build an exceptional group of brands that further solidifies our position in the prestige and luxury categories that sometimes calls for exiting the license agreements with some of our smaller or underperforming brands. These brands represent a small portion of our overall portfolio and our focus is on offsetting the exit by continuing to grow our existing portfolio while adding new high potential brands that better align with our long term growth strategy. This is already in the works as we are preparing to launch our own brand called Solferino in July. And as we mentioned on our last call, we will assume full ownership of all Off White brand names and register trademarks in 2026.

Speaker 2

In addition, we announced the acquisition of the Annick Goutale brand in March, which is also set to officially join our portfolio in 2026. Planning is already well underway for both Off White and Goutale with exciting developments to be unveiled in the months ahead. As a testament to the strength of our brand partnership, we renewed our Coach license for another five years through June 2031. Before I turn it over to Michel, I would like to briefly mention a few key operational updates. In terms of our omnichannel capabilities, we sell directly to many retailers in key markets such as France, The United States and Italy.

Speaker 2

This direct model delivers higher margins compared to wholesale distribution, though our wholesale partners remain essential for achieving broader market reach and will continue to be a vital part of our strategy. E commerce, as you know, is an increasingly important and fast growing part of our business, driven by the ongoing digital shift in consumer behavior, strong performance and expanding our presence on Amazon, while platforms like Divabox and TikTok Shop continue to gain traction, powered by the reach and engagement of our content creators and influencers across social media platforms. Regarding our supply chain, streamlining our operation is more critical than ever. And as mentioned also on our previous call, we are making significant progress in transitioning out of our owned operated facility in Dayton, New Jersey. By the second half of twenty twenty five, we expect to fully utilize third party logistics companies for packing, shipping, warehousing and order fulfillment.

Speaker 2

This strategic shift will reduce overhead costs and enhance our agility, enabling us to better respond to consumer needs and market dynamics. And the key area of interest is of course tariff and me and Michel will answer some of your questions later, we are actively scenario planning and beginning to implement strategies to mitigate the potential impact of the recent tariffs on our business through three key interventions. Firstly, we are looking to try to better align our supply chain footprint to the countries where the products are sold. This means producing in Europe fragrances that sell in Europe, producing in The U. S.

Speaker 2

Fragrances that sell in The U. S. Some of these changes will be quick while others will take of course more time. Secondly, we are identifying alternative sourcing, sourcing for some of the parts components like plastic and metal that we still purchase from China and need to import into The U. S.

Speaker 2

Thirdly, we are considering implementing mid single digit price increases on select brands and regions this summer. Aligned with but less aggressive and broader industry trends as a way to offset the additional cost, we will inevitably not be able to fully mitigate. Our game plan is clear, but we will adjust our executions once we have more certainty of how tariffs will evolve after this ninety day moratorium. Overall, we do not view these factors as posing material risks to the company. While we navigate the current macro environment, the global fragrance market remains strong, and we are well positioned to deliver on our goals for the year.

Speaker 2

We are focused on making continued progress on all fronts of our business from sales and earnings to ESG scores. Among these objectives is to improve our MSCI score. We have steadily been improving and recently moved up to a BBBB rating. We also have line of sight to BBBBBB, which we target to get with the next major rating update. I will now turn it over to Michel for a review of our financial results.

Speaker 2

Michel?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Jean, and good morning, everyone. I will begin by discussing the consolidated results before breaking it down into our European and United States based operations. As Jean shared and as previously reported, we delivered net sales of $339,000,000 a 5% increase from the first quarter of twenty twenty four. But on the like for like basis, our sales grew by 7% and we remain on track to meet our guidance for the year. As a reminder, there is some seasonality to our business as a result of gifting occasions and launch cycles, so not every quarter will always necessarily line up.

Speaker 3

Gross margin expanded by 120 basis points to 63.7% from the prior year period as a result of favorable brand and channel mix. SG and A expenses as a percentage of net sales increased modestly by 10 basis points to forty one point six percent $52,000,000 in A and P expenses to support sell through at our retailers and drive traffic across all distribution channels in store and online. Once again with 7% growth in A and P, we remain committed to continuing to spend A and P ahead of our top line growth, while funding it through scale and other efficiencies. Our royalty expenses paid to brand owners or licensors averaged 8% of net sales during the first quarter, which is broadly in line with our historical run rates, but slightly favorable to the prior year period largely due to brand mix. Overall, our consolidated operating income was $75,000,000 for the quarter, a 10% increase for the prior year period, resulting in operating margin of 22% or 120 basis point improvement from twenty twenty four first quarter.

Speaker 3

Other income and expense for the three months ended 03/31/2025 was a loss of $1,700,000 as compared to a gain of $2,100,000 in the corresponding period prior year period, leading to a negative quarter over quarter impact of $3,800,000 1 of the main factors behind this swing is foreign exchange. We saw a gain of $900,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four, but that turned into a loss of $800,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty five. Another factor is the change in our unrealized gains and losses on marketable securities. In quarter one twenty twenty five, we recorded an unrealized loss of $700,000 compared to $1,400,000 unrealized gains in the same period last year. We did not experience a significant change in our blended effective tax rate, which was 24.5%, up 60 basis points from 23.9% from the prior year period, largely driven by geographic mix.

Speaker 3

For our European based operations, net sales rose 7% or 9% excluding the impact of foreign exchange. Gross margin increased by 150 basis points driven by favorable brand and channel mix and in a high base period, which last year was particularly impacting. While SG and A expenses increased 6% to $96,000,000 SG and A as a percentage of net sales decreased 40 basis points to 38.7% of net sales from 39.1% in the prior year period. This reduction was driven by scale benefits in fixed costs and favorable brand mix on royalties, partially offset by higher A and P expenditure. Overall, net income attributable to European operations based grew 7% to $48,000,000 for the quarter.

Speaker 3

Now turning to our United States based operations. Net sales increased by 3% on a like for like basis on top of the 11% like for like gain in twenty twenty four first quarter. On a reported basis, net sales declined by 1% as a result of the discontinuation of the Dunhill license, which had a negative 4% impact. Gross margins remained flat at 58.7% as our brand and channel mix remained consistent. SG and A expenses finally increased 2% to $45,000,000 largely driven by the annualization impact of the investments in infrastructure and headcount made through 2024 to support the growth of the business, plus higher A and P spending, which was partially offset by efficiency realized in other SG and A expenses.

Speaker 3

Net income attributable to U. S. Based operations was $9,000,000 for the quarter as compared to 10,000,000 a little below $10,000,000 in the prior year period. At March 31, our balance sheet remains strong with $172,000,000 in cash and cash equivalents and working capital of $600,000,000 Needless to say, the hot topic is tariffs. As a global import export fragrance company with no own manufacturing facilities, we have much flexibility with our vast group of trusted partners.

Speaker 3

As Jean mentioned, while we are making a concerted effort to manufacture products more locally to the point of sale, we have some exposures on the components and gifts with purchases front. We have not seen any material impact from tariffs yet, mainly due to the inventory we had previously built up and our FIFO accounting, but we are actively working with our counterparts to source components from locations other than China to mitigate any future cost increases. We are also accelerating the conversion of raw materials into finished goods. At March 31, finished goods represented 63% of our inventories. Finally, from a cash flow perspective, accounts receivable was up 8% from prior year from year end and days sales outstanding was seventy four days similar to prior year period.

Speaker 3

We have a strong collection process with limited risk. By effectively managing our working capital increases relative to our sales growth, we again significantly improved our operating cash flow, reducing cash used in operating activities by $45,000,000 from $52,000,000 in prior year period to $7,000,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty five. We continue to expect strong free cash flow productivity in 2025. And as you know, we have initiated a share repurchase program. As announced in our press release yesterday, our regular quarterly cash dividend of $0.80 per share will be paid in 06/30/2025 to shareholders of record on 06/13/2025.

Speaker 3

Despite the ongoing volatility across the macroeconomic landscape, we remain confident in our ability of our business and the ongoing momentum of the global fragrance market to drive another record year for Interperfume. As such, we are reaffirming our full year guidance for 2025 of 1,510,000,000 in net sales and EPS of $5.35 a share. As always, we will revisit guidance and share expectations with intention to continue to provide transparency to our shareholders. With that operator, please open the line for questions.

Operator

Certainly. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question is coming from Susan Anderson from Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now live.

Speaker 4

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Nice job on the quarter. Maybe if you can give some more color, I guess, just on The U. S.

Speaker 4

Business, kind of what you're seeing, if you're still seeing some destocking there by the retailers or if you're still seeing sell ins mismatch with the sell out? And then also, I think North America was at 14%. So if you could maybe just talk about the rest of the drivers there given that The U. S. Was only up 3%?

Speaker 4

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Michelle, you can Yes, sure. Yes. So overall,

Speaker 3

I think, as you know, we had a last year, there was some destocking that happened at the beginning of the year, but that was largely abated as we as the year progressed. At this point in time, we're not really seeing a significant disconnect between sell in and sell off. Obviously, retailers continue to be focused on cash and are managing their inventories tightly. But overall, we're not really seeing a significant impact there. Actually, our U.

Speaker 3

S. Business was quite strong this quarter despite the market being a little bit tight. As you know, last year, the market was up 20%, which was a sizable increase year over year. This year, the market is actually down for the quarter by 2%. But if you look at March and February, both months were actually more in line with were actually slightly up versus prior year period, so at 5% growth.

Speaker 3

So overall, despite the month of January being a bit challenging, I think it was driven by the fact that Jan this year had four weeks versus had had five weeks last year. So there's some mechanical effects there. Overall, the market is holding up pretty well. And if anything, what we're seeing is some moderate share growth here in The U. S.

Speaker 3

Hopefully that answers

Speaker 4

Yes. That's really good color. And then maybe if you could just talk about globally, I guess, what you're seeing from a consumer perspective in terms of fragrance trends. Are you seeing any slowdown in Europe, I guess, and then also in Asia?

Speaker 2

Yes. Go ahead, Panjush. For me, I will say that in general, the first quarter was not as strong as last year, of course, but it was still positive. As you know, we are a pure player in fragrance, so and fragrance was still, again, in the first quarter, growing comparing to the other segments of beauty, which are makeup and skincare. Regarding Europe, I think it is more challenging, especially in France and Germany, where NPD numbers were quite low or maybe negative in the first quarter.

Speaker 2

And we still see a market in Asia moving into a direction where China nothing really is happening, but it's balanced by Australia, for instance, and certain countries of Southeast Asia that are moving in the right direction. So of course, we expect a smaller growth than last year, but the fragrance business is still growing.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks so much. That was really helpful. Good luck for rest of the year.

Speaker 2

You.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Corinne Wolflier from Piper Sandler. Your line is now live.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning team. Thank you for taking the question. I do want to touch a little bit more on tariffs and any other color you can provide us on how you're quantifying the overall tariff exposure, both direct and indirect. And I know it's going to be minimal impact and it seems like you have a lot of efforts in place to help mitigate. But how should we be thinking about the gross margin progression for the remainder of 2025 and even into 2026 when considering the tariffs?

Speaker 5

Thanks.

Speaker 2

We are going to try both to answer. But as you know, we do not import any finished products from China, for instance. So we don't have an impact on finished goods coming from China. We have still a certain impact because some of our components come from China, mostly metal pieces, caps, pumps, collars that are not made in The U. S.

Speaker 2

But a big piece that we are going to that we could get impacted is the 10% that when the goods come from Europe to The U. S. And so as I said in my remarks, where we have brands like Guess or that have, let's say, 50% of their sales in The U. S. And 50% of their sales in Europe.

Speaker 2

Eventually, we want to make these products some of these SKUs in Europe and also in The U. S. So on tariffs, yes, we're going to have pay higher tariffs than last year. We think we can cover with certain price adjustments, certain negotiations and also certain decisions to move some filling in The U. S.

Speaker 2

Or outside of The U. S. It depends on where the products are sold. So it's an exercise that is quite complex. We are lucky because as we have improved our IT and information system, we are able to analyze quickly in order to make the decision.

Speaker 2

But it is definitely a challenge. Michel?

Speaker 3

Yes, sure. Thanks, Jean. Yes, Corinne. Hi, Corinne. Tariff right now we have estimated if we the do nothing scenario is about 300 basis points.

Speaker 3

But we have a number of interventions that Jean has talked about that should enable us to get that down by about two thirds. The rest will take a bit of time. And what we're planning to do is offset that through pricing. So to answer your question around gross margin, because of the FIFO accounting and because we do have high inventory levels, we're not expecting any significant impacts this year. And by the time it kicks in, we think the pricing actions that we'll be taking will offset that.

Speaker 3

Now again, there's a lot that can happen between now and the end of the moratorium, the ninety day moratorium. While we have plans in place and we're feeling comfortable that we know how to mitigate this, Ultimately, it's going to depend a lot on what really inevitably happens and some of the actions that we're taking may be triggered or not depending on that situation. But overall, we're feeling pretty good about our ability to mitigate the impact.

Speaker 2

Also, if I may, I would like add that we have, on average, nine months of inventory for our products. So we are not going to see an immediate impact. And this will we still have three, four, five, six months to find the right solution to the tariffs. And as we said, we will do some pricing, not on every product, but on certain lines. And I'm sure you're going to ask me what happens to pricing if tariff disappears.

Speaker 2

We will maintain the price increase. And if tariffs disappear, then we will spend this money in extra advertising. But we will when we decide to increase prices, we cannot come back.

Speaker 5

Great. Thanks so much for all that helpful color. And then if I could squeeze in just one more on the operating margin in the It was came in a little bit higher than we had expected and I know there were some drivers there. Can you just dive a little bit deeper into what the primary components of that upside were and how we should be thinking about the sustainability of that operating margin lift throughout the remainder of the year? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes, Corinne. So I mean, there were really two key drivers of the operating margin. One was really the brand mix and the channel mix that drove the higher gross margin that was expected. A lot of the sales upside that we got actually came from our U. S.

Speaker 3

Market, comes at a higher because it's direct to retail at a much higher gross margin. So that was clearly a big factor in the upside surprise. On the other end, when we looked at our A and P investments, we were expecting to invest a little bit more in our original plans. And I think as we look through the situation, we felt it wasn't necessary. So we're shifting some of that to the second quarter.

Speaker 3

But those are really the two main drivers of the change.

Speaker 5

Wonderful. Thanks so much.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question today is coming from Ashley Helkins from Jefferies. Your line is now live.

Speaker 6

Hi. Thanks for taking our questions and congrats on the nice quarter. So just wanted to know how you think about making the portfolio more premium in a recessionary scenario? And do you still anticipate luxury to outperform as a category? Or do you think we might start to see a bit of a trade down?

Speaker 6

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Michel, if you want

Operator

to try to

Speaker 3

I mean, ultimately, the luxury category is continuing to grow faster Prestige is going to always be a large segment of the business. But if we continue to see where the growth is coming from, the growth is certainly coming from there because consumers this is part of consumers becoming more involved in the category. When they become more involved, they show more interest. They're looking for more premium products, more distinctive products.

Speaker 3

So I think we'll continue to see the luxury segment outperforming. And I think the way we're planning to play with this really is, I think, you see this very clearly with some of the choices that we've done around our brand portfolio. Van Cleef, we're clearly moving up in distribution and premiumization. And we obviously have the launches of Sulforino and more recently the Annick Coutale acquisition. I mean, are all basically plays in the upper luxury segment.

Speaker 3

And we're also looking at a more luxury offering through collections on some of the brands in our portfolio where it kind of makes sense. If you think about what we've done on Donna Karan, for example, where we've launched the cashmere collection on MCM, where we've launched the Park collection. So we continue to play on the higher end of the segment to offer the consumers some of the stuff that they're actively looking for. Jean?

Speaker 2

Yes. In general, when I look at our portfolio, we perform better with brands that have product that sell at over $100 or €100 at retail. And that's why we are introducing a new MCM collection at $150 retail for three months. We are introducing a new Roberto Cavalli blockbuster at 120 or 130. This is a higher price point than before, and we think that it's a good positioning to have.

Speaker 2

There is quite demand and the consumer is willing to pay. The good news is that there are more and more people in The US and in Europe and of course in Asia that understands the quality of the product. They are more interested in more concentrated fragrance. So it resonates better and we are seeing a good success at this higher price point.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks so much.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is coming from Hamed Khorsand from BWS Financial. Your line is now live.

Speaker 7

Hi. So first off, following up on this conversation about luxury and premium. Do you feel like it has to be price move to attract the consumer or is it the rarity value that's driving the consumer action?

Speaker 2

Think it's a You're right, Amit. It's a mix. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Nishan. No.

Speaker 2

So I was going

Speaker 3

to say hi, Amit. I was going to say that I think it's about consumers are smart. They don't just buy based on price. I think ultimately, it's about this distinctivity of the offering. And as consumers become more sophisticated, I like to use the analogy of beer, right?

Speaker 3

You go from a mass beer to a more craft beer you see that pretty much as consumers become more involved in a category, their tastes evolve and they become more refined. And I think they become more involved. And I think that's really what the higher end Fragrances are offering. If you look at some of those some of the brands that have been very aggressive on pricing without necessarily offering the consumer real value, I think those are all brands that are kind of suffering. See their sales are down in units quite significantly.

Speaker 3

So I think that the consumer is looking for higher quality and they're willing to pay for the price, not just buying because it's more expensive. Jean?

Speaker 2

Yes, absolutely. When we position a product at higher retail price, it's because we are giving we are putting more into the product. And the consumer understands this very well and reacts well. It's not just the price, consumers do not react to a higher price or a higher price. You have to give them also the quality and the value.

Speaker 2

Also, I think that the distribution is quite important where the products are sold. Exclusive distribution plays a lot in terms of desirability of the product and that's why we are being very careful on where our products are sold.

Speaker 7

Okay. Then earlier you were talking about how there is some strength in the market, at least there was in Q1 and your plans to potentially raise prices during the summer. So why is the sales guidance staying flat?

Speaker 2

Yes, go ahead.

Speaker 3

I think the sales guidance is remaining flat. Mean, we grew 5%. I think our guidance right now is at 4%. As you can appreciate, there is a lot of volatility right now. I mean, there's FX.

Speaker 3

If you look at the last month, the euro has gone from 1.03 to 1.13, which is a 10 swing. We are still trying to understand the potential impacts of the tariffs. So I think what you're hearing is some degree of prudence here. Right now, this is what our run rates are giving us. And we have a tendency to be a little bit prudent in our guidance.

Speaker 3

And until we feel that upside potentially materializing, we're going to continue to be conservative with our guidance.

Speaker 2

Yes. If I may say, for me it's obvious that we cannot at this point of the year and with all the what's going on in the world increase or adjust the guidance. It's maybe more important now than ever to be very prudent. A lot of things could happen. Nobody was expecting this tariff.

Speaker 2

Tomorrow we could have some countries banning products. So I think that we have managed this company with prudence, but we are also realistic. So if we need to address or revisit the guidance, we will do. But it's very, very too early, not surely to do it now.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Ahmed.

Operator

Thank you. Next question today is coming from Luca Cotta from Lombardi Capital. Your line is now live. Hi, thank you for taking. Actually reached the end of our question and answer session.

Operator

I'd like to turn the floor back over for any further or closing comments.

Speaker 3

Okay. All right. Thanks a lot. All right. So thank you for joining our call today and really special thanks to our dedicated teams who continue to work diligently and adapt with fluidity to these uncertain times.

Speaker 3

It's certainly been uncertain and we've really been driving greater efficiency and contributing to our ongoing success. I'd like to mention a couple of upcoming events. I'll be visiting Boston with Piper Sandler on May 20. Then in June, I'll be participating in the T. D.

Speaker 3

Cowen Consumer Conference here in New York on June and the Jefferies Consumer Conference in Nantucket on June 1718 and a little call out to Ashley. Thanks for your help with the logistics there. If you'd like to participate in these events, please reach out to their respective team members. If you have any additional questions, please contact Karen Daley from The Equity Group, is our Investor Relations representative. Her telephone number and email address can be found in our most recent earnings release.

Speaker 3

And we look forward to meeting with you at these events or the next conference call. Thank you again and have a great day.

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude today's teleconference webcast. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.

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