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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Burford Capital EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.14Consensus EPS $0.30Beat/MissMissed by -$0.16One Year Ago EPSN/ABurford Capital Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$118.86 millionExpected Revenue$157.00 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$38.14 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ABurford Capital Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date5/7/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateWednesday, May 7, 2025Conference Call Time9:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckReportQuarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Burford Capital Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 7, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Ms. Tina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Burford Capital First Quarter twenty twenty five Financial Results Conference Call Audio Webcast. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:31Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Josh Wood, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Josh WoodHead of IR at Burford Capital00:00:39Thank you, and good morning, everyone. It's great to have many of you join us both in person and via webcast for our twenty twenty five Investor Day last month. We certainly appreciate you spending time with us today to discuss our first quarter results. On the call, as usual, we have our Chief Executive Officer, Chris Bogart our Chief Investment Officer, John Melo and our Chief Financial Officer, Jordan Leach. Earlier this morning, we posted a detailed earnings presentation, which we'll refer to during the call and also filed our Form 10 Q, both of which you can find on our Investor Relations website. Josh WoodHead of IR at Burford Capital00:01:12Before we get started, just a reminder that today's call may contain forward looking statements that involve certain risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed during the call. For more information regarding these risk factors, please refer to our earnings materials relating to this call posted on our website and our filings with the SEC. We will also be referring to certain non GAAP financial measures during the call. Please refer to today's earnings materials and our filings with the SEC for additional information, including reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures. With that, I'll turn the call over to Chris. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:01:54Thanks very much, Josh, and welcome, everybody. We're very happy to be here able to talk to you about a strong first quarter. I'll make three points about the quarter. We had a robust new business in the quarter. Sometimes for us, the first quarter can be seasonally slow. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:02:13We often have a very busy December as we did last year. It can take a little while for the law world to get back into gear. But this year, we saw really a robust volume of new business, tripling definitive commitments, doubling deployments. And part of this is because, as we talked about at Investor Day, some of what we do is sort of bread and butter litigation, and some of what we do relies on something big and chunky occurring. And those don't come along predictably or reliably every quarter. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:02:49But this quarter, we did see the launch of a new U. S. Claim family. So we're excited about that, and that certainly drove some, but not all of the activity during the quarter. We also saw very strong realization and cash generation activity. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:03:05Realizations were up significantly compared to either of the first quarters in the last two years, one hundred and sixty three million. That means over the last four quarters, we have brought in really a very significant amount of cash. And as Jordan will talk later, we're sitting on a meaningful amount of liquidity, which positions the business very well indeed for new business and new flows out of the business as the year continues to build. And then in accounting terms, even though we watch the cash more than the accounting numbers, we saw revenue up significantly year over year, significantly in this context for capital provision income meant a 5x increase compared to the first quarter last year and also an increased contribution from asset management income. So all in all, we're really very pleased about that. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:04:00And it's in strong quarters like this, especially, that we get to really remind everybody that we don't look at this business on a quarterly basis. So while we're happy to be here talking about this quarter, the simple reality is that the cycle of this business is longer than three months. So we focus, first of all, on cash, but we also focus on longer term arcs of business performance than on quarter by quarter numbers. And so I would be saying the same thing to you if this had been a down quarter or bad quarter, which it clearly was not. We're thrilled with how this quarter went for especially for our first quarter. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:04:36But that doesn't mean that I would be any less happy about the business and where the portfolio stands, and John is going to talk more about that, if the quarter had been had been lackluster. And, you know, you obviously saw in this quarter somewhat fewer unrealized gains, for example. And, again, we don't read anything whatsoever into that. Just a couple of other points before I turn you over to John, one of which is you'll notice with John and with me just giving you some highlights, letting Jordan really walk through the numbers for you and then take your questions. We're also conscious that we have started doing this just before The US market opens, and we've changed the timing of our release to try to maximize both markets trading, especially given how much liquidity has moved to The U. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:05:26S. Market. We're sitting now at something on the order of 85% of our trading volume happening in New York instead of in London. So we're really trying a variety of experiments to see what works best for people in both markets. And before I turn you over to John, just one other point that I'd like to make given that this is AGM season. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:05:46You will have noticed perhaps that we put out an additional proxy release a few days ago, maybe a week or ten days ago. And that was on the back of ISS coming along and recommending that shareholders vote against the reelection of two of our directors, representing two thirds of the audit committee. As we laid out in those materials, ISS is just wrong in our view, both factually wrong and wrong in the in the application of even their own standards. And we'd ask shareholders who are capable of making their own decisions as opposed to simply taking the ISS recommendations to to look seriously at that material. I can't imagine that anyone thinks it's in shareholders' interest or the company's interest to eviscerate the audit committee here. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:06:34And while you're doing that, we also would appreciate your support in terms of the discretionary compensation recommendation. ISS doesn't like carried interest, which we believe actually is very aligning with shareholders because we don't get paid until the company does. We get paid only on only when the cash comes into the business, which we think is actually an excellent way of of aligning employees and shareholders. But for their own reasons, ISS doesn't agree with that. So we've got a couple of recommendations there that we'd appreciate shareholders taking a taking a look at and reading that proxy material. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:07:09And with that, John, hello. Jonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIO at Burford Capital00:07:12Thanks, Chris. Thanks to you all for joining. As Chris said, it was a very strong first quarter. Typically, there's much more that happens at the end of the year than the beginning, but we see this quarter outperform the last couple of years first quarters. And I think that is emblematic of a trend that I've talked about on these calls successively that after a period post COVID where I was happy with what was in the portfolio, but you didn't see things moving through and producing cash results, we now have seen in successive quarters the portfolio performing. Jonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIO at Burford Capital00:07:50You're able to see about its quality what I've been saying for a long time. And now we've had a stretch where the portfolio really is performing, and I'm very pleased about it. In particular, it's maybe worth mentioning something I talked about on Investor Day that the diversification of the portfolio is not just across the risk metrics that we've talked about in the past, diversity of jurisdiction, subject matter, type of counterparty, all those various things that make a balanced portfolio, but also in terms of duration, risk profile and size. And we often will invest in more moderate sized high octane matters early in litigation or at the start of litigation where there's the potential for truly outsized returns, but those also take some time as they go through the litigation process. But those are counterbalanced by we also will do deals with corporates where we might put out a lot more money on a shorter duration, lower risk basis. Jonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIO at Burford Capital00:08:56And one example, which we talked about on Investor Day is we had concluded in the first quarter '1 hundred million dollars investment that we put on less than a year ago that ended up generating $125,000,000 and that ROIC is lower than our average, but it's about a 40% IRR. We're very pleased with that because you can then recycle that capital into new deals. So we're happy to have both, and the market very much appreciates that we can do both. We can really offer capital to meet companies' needs and it benefits shareholders because we have both the high octane, higher risk matters and the lower risk, shorter duration matters that can really churn and compound the portfolio. I guess I would say on the YPF related litigation that we're still awaiting oral argument on the appeal that's fully briefed. Jonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIO at Burford Capital00:09:55There are pending recognition enforcement actions in various jurisdictions around the globe. You're going to continue to hear noise out of Argentina if you pay attention. There are people within Argentina who will say we should postpone payment and look for mechanisms to do that despite President Malay's clear indication that Argentina is trying to turn over a new leaf and be a responsible actor in the global economy and making significant progress on that front. Since we last spoke, the most notable development on the economic front is that the IMF package that we expected would be approved and concluded was indeed concluded with lots of fanfare and other deals and announcements surrounding, and that was positive. I thought it was notable that the Argentine press actually picked up on the description and discussion of our litigation in the IMF package. Jonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIO at Burford Capital00:10:58There was referenced in discussion of both our matter and another matter that's about 10% the size of ours that the U. Supreme Court had affirmed a judgment in favor of creditors against Argentina. And the IMF package reflects an agreement between Argentina and the IMF that, that debt that these debts, these litigation debts will be treated as an obligation of Argentina and has to be addressed. The one that's already been affirmed by the use of UK Supreme Court, that's final and has to be addressed now. And ours, when and if the appeal is concluded, it says it has to be addressed. Jonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIO at Burford Capital00:11:36And that was on one of the Argentine papers above the fold on the front page, second only to news about the Pope, who was, of course, Argentine. So summing up, the quarter was a very strong one, as Chris said. We saw both money going out the door and money coming back in. We've seen progress, and we're very pleased to have a first quarter, which can traditionally be slower than others, performing well. Now to unpack the numbers behind that sort of sentiment and broad discussion, I'm going to turn it over to our CFO, Jordan Leach. Jonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIO at Burford Capital00:12:11Thanks. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:12:12Thanks, John. Good morning, everyone. So I'm going to start on Page nine. This is our total segments. When you look at total segments, this is a combination of the principal finance segment, which invests on behalf of our balance sheet and the asset management segment, which invests on behalf of third parties. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:12:32We'll go through each of these segments in greater detail. I'm going to cover four primary things today. First, it's going to be on how the existing business has progressed and the new business that we put on. We'll talk about income from asset management. We'll cover our expenses and then finish up with a discussion of liquidity and capital. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:12:54Overall, $0.01 4 per share, which compares favorably to a negative $0.14 in the same period last year. Main driver of that difference is realized gains as well as unrealized gains, and I'm going to dissect that further when we talk about the portfolio. Jumping to page 12, John referenced the diversity. And I think those pie charts on the right of the page actually highlight that, whether it's diverse in terms of our exposure by geography or diverse with respect to, asset type. The piece on this page with all the different numbers that I focus on as well is the five eleven. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:13:39That's the middle red bar right in, on the bottom of the left hand side. What that represents, XYPF, is the fair value associated the fair value uptick associated with our portfolio XYPF. And that covered around onethree of deployed costs. What that means is that should we continue to progress given our historical returns, there's significant more revenue and opportunity associated with the book. But let's unpack that 3,600,000,000 a little bit more, jumping to Page 13. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:14:19Top of the page starts with revenue, and you'll see we had a nice first quarter, topping last year's first quarter with $35,000,000 of net realized gains. Favorable interest rate movements in this quarter, there was approximately 20 basis point of improvement in the discount rate that we use to present value the portfolio and that compares to a 19 basis point increase last year. The current average discount approximately 6.7%. That's the rate that we use to discount the cash flows, associated with the assets. The bottom of the page is the bridge. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:15:01It takes you from the end of the period, so twelvethirty onetwenty twenty four through to the end of the first quarter. Deployment's healthy at $126,000,000 Those are the existing cases. We've got $61,000,000 associated with the passage of time. I spoke about the change in discount rate. Milestones and other impacts that both the changes of assumptions inside the models, milestones as well as the unwind of unrealized gains that move into realized gains. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:15:40And then realizations, dollars 163,000,000, which Chris and John alluded to a great start to the first quarter. So with that, let's go and actually talk about the putting the money out the door. The page 14 highlights the definitive new commitments. And as Chris mentioned, we had a great first quarter. This quarter had $158,000,000 of new definitive commitments, and that compares quite favorably to $55,000,000 that was in both the first quarter of twenty twenty three and the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:16:21You'll see the different colors. There's no specific target that we're looking for in a particular quarter, but you can see a healthy range of activity and new cases that we put on, in this period. The 158,000,000 sources from two places. It's exciting to see 103,000,000 of newly originated matters and then $55,000,000 that's also new matters. They happen to come from discretionary portfolios that we've established where we had to find and source a new case to add to the portfolio. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:17:00And so that totals the 158,000,000 And then if you look at our total of where we sit today with undrawn commitments, we've got $800,000,000 just shy of 800,000,000 of definitive commitments outstanding on the existing book. Overall, on the right hand side, you then also see we've got plenty of capital and liquidity to continue putting money out the door, and we put out 130,000,000 in the first quarter. But enough about talking about putting money out, let's talk about bringing money in. And on page 15, you see the highlight of the $163,000,000 realizations. Firstly, and John mentioned it, and we actually mentioned and discussed it with you, I think briefly at Investor Day, which is the conclusion of an asset that had a quick turnaround. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:17:50It was an asset that was originated in last year, a large size $125,000,000 group wide. And for the balance sheet, that represented a $19,000,000 gain. And that's exciting to see a quick IRR of 40%. Obviously, you have quick turnaround high IRR, you are going to see a slightly lower ROIC. And we would expect that. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:18:15And as you can see, the implied ROIC fluctuates from period to period. But overall, 163,000,000 of realizations for the period and that's not just made up of one asset. Overall, assets generating $5,000,000 or more and three of those generating $10,000,000 or more. I'm going to skip forward now and talk briefly about managing the money on our balance sheet to managing the funds. If you look on Slide 21, asset management income was $14,000,000 versus $7,000,000 quarter over quarter, so a nice improvement there. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:18:54Cash was $7,000,000 versus $4,500,000 And I think the big takeaway here is that during this first quarter, the first time we actually started to crystallize performance fees from the Advantage Fund, That was a fund that stopped investing a little over a year ago. And then now as those assets are starting to mature, we can start to recognize some of the performance fee associated with that fund. Looking to capital, liquidity and expenses, page 23 is the bridge that walks you through where our cash sat at the end of the year to the $5.40 currently have at the end of the quarter. You see also in one of the bullets, we have $103,000,000 due from settlement. So we are sitting in a very healthy liquidity position. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:19:46As a reminder though, we do have $123,000,000 of debt maturing in August and we have ample cash available to pay that down. The bottom of the page, it's nice to see steady cash flow quarter after quarter coming from our assets. And in particular, seeing the $258,000,000 to kick off of first quarter, obviously, compares very favorable, not quite as large as the third quarter, but still a great quarter overall. On Page 24, I walk through our expenses. Expenses were higher first quarter compared to first quarter of last year at $40,000,000 A couple of reasons for that. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:20:32First is the carry, the long term incentive compensation. The accrual of that is going to align neatly with the movements in fair value. And in a period in which we have much higher revenue, you're going to see that number higher. And so on a comparative basis, it's not surprising to see that as a larger number compared to the first quarter of the previous period. We also have a slight uptick in G and A. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:21:03I don't want people to walk away with an expectation that that increase is going to continue. There are some items that are not expected to reoccur in subsequent quarters. And then finally, we did have a bit more in case related expenditures, which we're not able to actually capitalize into the asset value of our portfolio. And that's going to be episodic by nature. Page 25 rounds it out with the maturity schedule, ample room within our covenants. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:21:41We also have ample cash to address the 2025 maturity. And so we're sitting here in a great position to continue growth, continue the momentum that was built this quarter in terms of new business. And I appreciate your attention. With that, I hand it over to Chris for some closing remarks. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:22:03Thanks very much, Jordan. And I'll pick it up on slide 26, where we summarize a number of things about the business that I won't necessarily take you through point by point, especially since we spent quite a lot of time with you on these points on Investor Day. But since we have had Liberation Day that occurred the afternoon before our Investor Day and we've seen lots of market turmoil since then, I would just underline a couple of points about Burford's interesting business. Not only are we not negatively affected by things like tariffs and and the other economic dynamics that are going on, these are the kinds of periods where historically Burford has seen some real benefit. The the simple reality is that when businesses are under stress, and when there is market turbulence and liquidity uncertainty and all of the other things that we see happening today, those are times when a couple of things happen that are good for us. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:23:07First, businesses are even more unwilling than normal to write big checks to their lawyers. And so the kinds of capital solutions that we offer are especially appealing to businesses in these kinds of time periods. You know, we we started Burford, in 02/2009 because law firms were overrun with requests from their corporate clients to do something about their fees in in the financial crisis and in that time of compressed liquidity. And we've seen that dynamic repeat itself cyclically a few times since then. The other thing, though, that happens when businesses are under stress is that they feel pressure from from you, from their investors, to do things like make their numbers and continue to grow and and do all of the other things that unlock bonuses and drive corporate behavior. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:24:00And what that does in inside businesses is it can cause people to cut corners and to make bad decisions when they're under stress. Those bad decisions, in turn, often turn into opportunities for for later litigation and arbitration. And we've seen that throughout our history as well. And so this is you know, we are we are one of the few companies that actually enjoys the kind of period that we're seeing out there in the markets right now. And I I just sort of underline the fact that Burford's business is really built to deal with adversity, deal with it and and flourish in it. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:24:42We're long term players. We're here we're here to stay, and we're excited to be able to show you quarter quarter on and quarter on our ability to continue to make progress towards the goals that we enunciated just last month at our Investor Day. And so with that, we'd be happy to take your questions. Operator00:25:05Press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. We will we do ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. We will pause for just a moment to compile the Q and A roster. And your first question comes from the line of DeVries with Mark DeVries with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Operator00:25:32One on that, Mark. Mark DevriesDirector at Deutsche Bank00:25:41I'm not muted, don't think. Operator00:25:44Yes. Please go ahead, Mark. Mark DevriesDirector at Deutsche Bank00:25:46Can you hear me? Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:25:49Yes. We can now. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:25:50We can Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:25:50hear you, Mark. Mark DevriesDirector at Deutsche Bank00:25:51Okay. Okay. Great. I had a question a follow-up question on John's comments on YPF. You alluded to the IMF agreement that they had. Mark DevriesDirector at Deutsche Bank00:26:03Is that agreement or the dispersion of funds contingent upon them addressing the YPF settlement? Or is it more just kind of a conceptual idea that they put out as a priority that should be addressed at some point in the future? Jonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIO at Burford Capital00:26:16The general IMF policy is that they don't do a program if there are outstanding debts due that are noted in the agreement and that they're not engaged in reasonable dialogue in order to address and solve. So it doesn't it's not a condition and this is generally for the IMF. It's not a condition of disbursements that you have already resolved the debts, but you have to be working in good faith to resolve them as a condition. And what the the program says that is true right now for the one that's been affirmed by the UK Supreme Court, and that will be true when ours is when and if ours is affirmed by the US appeals courts. So I don't know if that answers your question, it's somewhere between the two things I think you laid out as possibilities. Mark DevriesDirector at Deutsche Bank00:27:19Okay. Yes, that's helpful. And then just turning to the new commitments in the quarter. There was a pretty significant quarter on quarter change in the distribution in wristbands and the new commitments. Can you provide some qualitative insight into the types of business you added in Mark DevriesDirector at Deutsche Bank00:27:34the Mark DevriesDirector at Deutsche Bank00:27:34quarter relative to the last few? Is it related to Chris' comments about the launch of a big U. S. Claim family? Or are there some other forces there? Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:27:44I think that's certainly part of it, Mark. And and I would I would say without looking at the data that I don't have in front of me, I think that's a no doubt a significant part. But, again, you know, we're we're providing these as a as sort of an effort to give people a little bit more insight. Because as we said at investor day, we don't think that you can treat all commitment and deployment dollars equally any longer. And so we're we're trying this out with you, and we'd welcome feedback on it, by the way. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:28:18We're trying this out with you as a way of maybe trying to give a little bit more nuance. But as with all of these things, there's sort of a limit to the to the you know, how useful it is in this aggregate way because, you know, you do see differential performance within those bands. As as John pointed out, you know, we had a we had a large matter resolved very rapidly that probably performed differently than what certainly performed differently than than the way that we would have originally modeled it to have performed because we would have expected it to have been outstanding for longer, and it would have had a both a different risk and and return characteristic. But what you're seeing there with quite a lot of comparatively low modeled risk activity, some of that is certainly due to the fact that the new claimants family comes with sort of a cross collateralized portfolio style approach. Mark DevriesDirector at Deutsche Bank00:29:22Got it. Thank you. Operator00:29:27And our next question comes from the line of Alex Bowers with Berenberg. Please go ahead. Alexander BowersAssociate Director, Equity Research Analyst at Berenberg00:29:35Afternoon, everyone. Just one for me. The uptick in the unrealized gains from YPF related assets during the quarter, I guess aside from sort of technical factors like the discount rates or the passage of time, were there any other kind of contributing factors to the kind of uplift in the valuation for those cases? Thanks. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:29:55Well, only other factor was the dynamic that I think we actually mentioned at Investor Day as well, where when you look at the Ethan Park side of the YPF transaction, Ethan Park, obviously, was the the former New York hedge fund that is now in in liquidation. And as that liquidation has progressed over time, you have seen our interest in the in the sort of the Eaten Park corpus continue to grow. And so during the period, that grew from, I believe, seventy seventy two or 73% to 82 now. And so because of that growth in our interest in the Eaten Park activity, we will we will have seen an increase in value because of that. And and actually, if you look at the consolidated numbers, you'll see an even an even more significant dynamic because that reached the point now of us actually having to consolidate it into our consolidated numbers. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:31:06But, course, that doesn't matter in the in the Burford only outcome. But but in true economic value, we have, in fact, you know, taken now another, in round numbers, 10% of the Eaten Park entitlement, and that drives an increase in the in the balance sheet value of YPF in total. Alexander BowersAssociate Director, Equity Research Analyst at Berenberg00:31:26Thanks. And just a quick follow-up on that. Did you have to pay for that increase? Or was it just part of the kind of liquidation process? Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:31:33No. We pay it as it happens, but we pay roughly around carrying value. Alexander BowersAssociate Director, Equity Research Analyst at Berenberg00:31:43Okay. Thanks very much. Operator00:31:48And our next question comes from the line of Randy Binner with B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead. Randy BinnerManaging Director at B.Riley Securities00:31:56Hi. Thank you. I'm I'm gonna try to just, just clarify a couple of of the previous questions, if if that's okay. So on the on the new claim family that was part of the commitments, I I just I didn't track in the answer. Is there is there a particular, like, litigation type that that was related to, or is that more like a structural family? Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:32:20So when we talk about claim families, so let's let's again, because we have the handy resource of the Investor Day materials just behind us, you'll recall that we described the world as as sort of falling into two buckets. The the single case bucket where company a is suing company b and the the issue doesn't really relate to anybody else or instances where there is multi party litigation. You know, an example of that is the is the publicly acknowledged cases that we're doing in the food proteins area, where, you know, the The US Government has found a price fixing conspiracy among proteins producers, meaning that many proteins buyers have claims for an overcharge. And we we sometimes call those claims families because they're the same kind of claim being brought by a number of different parties, and there is a degree of efficiency for us to put those claims together. We get to go to, you know, a number of those proteins buyers, use the proteins example, and and say to them, look, we we are already in these cases. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:33:43We know them well. It's easy for us to it's easy for us to add on the the next marginal buyer, if you will. And so but those things, you know, we can't we can't create them, and they don't necessarily happen on a regular or recurring basis. You know, life being what it is, there is always somebody doing something naughty. And as we as we showed you in one of the charts for investor day, you know, we we tend to have between zero and two of these larger chunkier, you know, multi case things happen in any given year. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:34:23We didn't have one last year at all. And so what what I was highlighting is that in the first quarter, some of the business that we wrote in the first quarter was for a new claims family. And that's an area where, you know, we'll now continue to watch that space. And if we continue to gain conviction and and like what we see, it's also entirely possible that we'll put more capital to work in in the same area as time passes. Randy BinnerManaging Director at B.Riley Securities00:34:56Okay. That's that's that's really helpful. I I appreciate that. And so then I guess the the I think the the somewhat related follow-up I have is just looking at the new business slide, the slide 14 of the deck that you shared is, you know, I think you it it was good news that the commitment number was high at $158,000,000, but but you, you know, you had deployments that, you know, effectively offset that. And and so the kind of the portfolio didn't grow in the quarter. Randy BinnerManaging Director at B.Riley Securities00:35:26And so I I think the answer to this is somewhat obvious, but I'll ask it anyway. I mean, is that, you you know, at some point, these commitments just offset deployments, so we actually have a higher base. I mean, is that the right way to think of kinda getting to that that that goal of I think it was doubling that portfolio by 02/1930. Is is that the right way to Randy BinnerManaging Director at B.Riley Securities00:35:47think Yeah. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:35:47Like, it's certainly more Randy BinnerManaging Director at B.Riley Securities00:35:48more stuff comes in and yeah. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:35:51Yeah. That that sure. Sure. And that's and and that's why if you think about this on a long term basis, you know, we're always thrilled to have the cases turning and the realizations coming in. But when you have periods with particularly high levels of realization as this one was, then yes, you may well have a period where the portfolio as a whole doesn't grow very much. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:36:20Imagine a world when if YPF comes in one day, that's a period during which one would expect presumably the portfolio actually to shrink. And that would be, from my perspective, an entirely happy outcome even though we would then have to go back to growth. Randy BinnerManaging Director at B.Riley Securities00:36:39Yes. Okay. Very helpful. I appreciate it. Thank you. Operator00:36:47And there are no further questions at this time. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:36:51So I think that given that we took three hours or four hours of your time only a month ago, we are we, I think, have exhausted the webcast and telephone questions. So if anyone has further follow ups, our IR team would be delighted to speak with you. But otherwise, thank you very much for your time and attention, and please give us some feedback on this new more streamlined format and on some of the ways that we're presenting data for you. We're always to hear that. But until then, thank you all very much for your time and attention. Operator00:37:25Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesJosh WoodHead of IRChristopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & DirectorJonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIOJordan LichtChief Financial OfficerAnalystsMark DevriesDirector at Deutsche BankAlexander BowersAssociate Director, Equity Research Analyst at BerenbergRandy BinnerManaging Director at B.Riley SecuritiesPowered by Key Takeaways Burford delivered a robust Q1 with new business commitments tripling to $158 million and deployments doubling year-over-year, partly driven by the launch of a new US claim family. Realizations hit $163 million—its strongest first quarter in two years—fueling a 5× increase in capital provision income and boosting liquidity to $540 million (with $103 million due from settlement). Burford maintains a diversified portfolio across jurisdictions, claim types, and both high-risk long-duration and lower-risk short-duration deals; one $100 million investment returned $125 million in under a year at ~40% IRR. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Ms. Tina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Burford Capital First Quarter twenty twenty five Financial Results Conference Call Audio Webcast. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:31Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Josh Wood, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Josh WoodHead of IR at Burford Capital00:00:39Thank you, and good morning, everyone. It's great to have many of you join us both in person and via webcast for our twenty twenty five Investor Day last month. We certainly appreciate you spending time with us today to discuss our first quarter results. On the call, as usual, we have our Chief Executive Officer, Chris Bogart our Chief Investment Officer, John Melo and our Chief Financial Officer, Jordan Leach. Earlier this morning, we posted a detailed earnings presentation, which we'll refer to during the call and also filed our Form 10 Q, both of which you can find on our Investor Relations website. Josh WoodHead of IR at Burford Capital00:01:12Before we get started, just a reminder that today's call may contain forward looking statements that involve certain risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed during the call. For more information regarding these risk factors, please refer to our earnings materials relating to this call posted on our website and our filings with the SEC. We will also be referring to certain non GAAP financial measures during the call. Please refer to today's earnings materials and our filings with the SEC for additional information, including reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures. With that, I'll turn the call over to Chris. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:01:54Thanks very much, Josh, and welcome, everybody. We're very happy to be here able to talk to you about a strong first quarter. I'll make three points about the quarter. We had a robust new business in the quarter. Sometimes for us, the first quarter can be seasonally slow. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:02:13We often have a very busy December as we did last year. It can take a little while for the law world to get back into gear. But this year, we saw really a robust volume of new business, tripling definitive commitments, doubling deployments. And part of this is because, as we talked about at Investor Day, some of what we do is sort of bread and butter litigation, and some of what we do relies on something big and chunky occurring. And those don't come along predictably or reliably every quarter. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:02:49But this quarter, we did see the launch of a new U. S. Claim family. So we're excited about that, and that certainly drove some, but not all of the activity during the quarter. We also saw very strong realization and cash generation activity. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:03:05Realizations were up significantly compared to either of the first quarters in the last two years, one hundred and sixty three million. That means over the last four quarters, we have brought in really a very significant amount of cash. And as Jordan will talk later, we're sitting on a meaningful amount of liquidity, which positions the business very well indeed for new business and new flows out of the business as the year continues to build. And then in accounting terms, even though we watch the cash more than the accounting numbers, we saw revenue up significantly year over year, significantly in this context for capital provision income meant a 5x increase compared to the first quarter last year and also an increased contribution from asset management income. So all in all, we're really very pleased about that. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:04:00And it's in strong quarters like this, especially, that we get to really remind everybody that we don't look at this business on a quarterly basis. So while we're happy to be here talking about this quarter, the simple reality is that the cycle of this business is longer than three months. So we focus, first of all, on cash, but we also focus on longer term arcs of business performance than on quarter by quarter numbers. And so I would be saying the same thing to you if this had been a down quarter or bad quarter, which it clearly was not. We're thrilled with how this quarter went for especially for our first quarter. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:04:36But that doesn't mean that I would be any less happy about the business and where the portfolio stands, and John is going to talk more about that, if the quarter had been had been lackluster. And, you know, you obviously saw in this quarter somewhat fewer unrealized gains, for example. And, again, we don't read anything whatsoever into that. Just a couple of other points before I turn you over to John, one of which is you'll notice with John and with me just giving you some highlights, letting Jordan really walk through the numbers for you and then take your questions. We're also conscious that we have started doing this just before The US market opens, and we've changed the timing of our release to try to maximize both markets trading, especially given how much liquidity has moved to The U. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:05:26S. Market. We're sitting now at something on the order of 85% of our trading volume happening in New York instead of in London. So we're really trying a variety of experiments to see what works best for people in both markets. And before I turn you over to John, just one other point that I'd like to make given that this is AGM season. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:05:46You will have noticed perhaps that we put out an additional proxy release a few days ago, maybe a week or ten days ago. And that was on the back of ISS coming along and recommending that shareholders vote against the reelection of two of our directors, representing two thirds of the audit committee. As we laid out in those materials, ISS is just wrong in our view, both factually wrong and wrong in the in the application of even their own standards. And we'd ask shareholders who are capable of making their own decisions as opposed to simply taking the ISS recommendations to to look seriously at that material. I can't imagine that anyone thinks it's in shareholders' interest or the company's interest to eviscerate the audit committee here. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:06:34And while you're doing that, we also would appreciate your support in terms of the discretionary compensation recommendation. ISS doesn't like carried interest, which we believe actually is very aligning with shareholders because we don't get paid until the company does. We get paid only on only when the cash comes into the business, which we think is actually an excellent way of of aligning employees and shareholders. But for their own reasons, ISS doesn't agree with that. So we've got a couple of recommendations there that we'd appreciate shareholders taking a taking a look at and reading that proxy material. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:07:09And with that, John, hello. Jonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIO at Burford Capital00:07:12Thanks, Chris. Thanks to you all for joining. As Chris said, it was a very strong first quarter. Typically, there's much more that happens at the end of the year than the beginning, but we see this quarter outperform the last couple of years first quarters. And I think that is emblematic of a trend that I've talked about on these calls successively that after a period post COVID where I was happy with what was in the portfolio, but you didn't see things moving through and producing cash results, we now have seen in successive quarters the portfolio performing. Jonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIO at Burford Capital00:07:50You're able to see about its quality what I've been saying for a long time. And now we've had a stretch where the portfolio really is performing, and I'm very pleased about it. In particular, it's maybe worth mentioning something I talked about on Investor Day that the diversification of the portfolio is not just across the risk metrics that we've talked about in the past, diversity of jurisdiction, subject matter, type of counterparty, all those various things that make a balanced portfolio, but also in terms of duration, risk profile and size. And we often will invest in more moderate sized high octane matters early in litigation or at the start of litigation where there's the potential for truly outsized returns, but those also take some time as they go through the litigation process. But those are counterbalanced by we also will do deals with corporates where we might put out a lot more money on a shorter duration, lower risk basis. Jonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIO at Burford Capital00:08:56And one example, which we talked about on Investor Day is we had concluded in the first quarter '1 hundred million dollars investment that we put on less than a year ago that ended up generating $125,000,000 and that ROIC is lower than our average, but it's about a 40% IRR. We're very pleased with that because you can then recycle that capital into new deals. So we're happy to have both, and the market very much appreciates that we can do both. We can really offer capital to meet companies' needs and it benefits shareholders because we have both the high octane, higher risk matters and the lower risk, shorter duration matters that can really churn and compound the portfolio. I guess I would say on the YPF related litigation that we're still awaiting oral argument on the appeal that's fully briefed. Jonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIO at Burford Capital00:09:55There are pending recognition enforcement actions in various jurisdictions around the globe. You're going to continue to hear noise out of Argentina if you pay attention. There are people within Argentina who will say we should postpone payment and look for mechanisms to do that despite President Malay's clear indication that Argentina is trying to turn over a new leaf and be a responsible actor in the global economy and making significant progress on that front. Since we last spoke, the most notable development on the economic front is that the IMF package that we expected would be approved and concluded was indeed concluded with lots of fanfare and other deals and announcements surrounding, and that was positive. I thought it was notable that the Argentine press actually picked up on the description and discussion of our litigation in the IMF package. Jonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIO at Burford Capital00:10:58There was referenced in discussion of both our matter and another matter that's about 10% the size of ours that the U. Supreme Court had affirmed a judgment in favor of creditors against Argentina. And the IMF package reflects an agreement between Argentina and the IMF that, that debt that these debts, these litigation debts will be treated as an obligation of Argentina and has to be addressed. The one that's already been affirmed by the use of UK Supreme Court, that's final and has to be addressed now. And ours, when and if the appeal is concluded, it says it has to be addressed. Jonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIO at Burford Capital00:11:36And that was on one of the Argentine papers above the fold on the front page, second only to news about the Pope, who was, of course, Argentine. So summing up, the quarter was a very strong one, as Chris said. We saw both money going out the door and money coming back in. We've seen progress, and we're very pleased to have a first quarter, which can traditionally be slower than others, performing well. Now to unpack the numbers behind that sort of sentiment and broad discussion, I'm going to turn it over to our CFO, Jordan Leach. Jonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIO at Burford Capital00:12:11Thanks. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:12:12Thanks, John. Good morning, everyone. So I'm going to start on Page nine. This is our total segments. When you look at total segments, this is a combination of the principal finance segment, which invests on behalf of our balance sheet and the asset management segment, which invests on behalf of third parties. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:12:32We'll go through each of these segments in greater detail. I'm going to cover four primary things today. First, it's going to be on how the existing business has progressed and the new business that we put on. We'll talk about income from asset management. We'll cover our expenses and then finish up with a discussion of liquidity and capital. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:12:54Overall, $0.01 4 per share, which compares favorably to a negative $0.14 in the same period last year. Main driver of that difference is realized gains as well as unrealized gains, and I'm going to dissect that further when we talk about the portfolio. Jumping to page 12, John referenced the diversity. And I think those pie charts on the right of the page actually highlight that, whether it's diverse in terms of our exposure by geography or diverse with respect to, asset type. The piece on this page with all the different numbers that I focus on as well is the five eleven. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:13:39That's the middle red bar right in, on the bottom of the left hand side. What that represents, XYPF, is the fair value associated the fair value uptick associated with our portfolio XYPF. And that covered around onethree of deployed costs. What that means is that should we continue to progress given our historical returns, there's significant more revenue and opportunity associated with the book. But let's unpack that 3,600,000,000 a little bit more, jumping to Page 13. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:14:19Top of the page starts with revenue, and you'll see we had a nice first quarter, topping last year's first quarter with $35,000,000 of net realized gains. Favorable interest rate movements in this quarter, there was approximately 20 basis point of improvement in the discount rate that we use to present value the portfolio and that compares to a 19 basis point increase last year. The current average discount approximately 6.7%. That's the rate that we use to discount the cash flows, associated with the assets. The bottom of the page is the bridge. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:15:01It takes you from the end of the period, so twelvethirty onetwenty twenty four through to the end of the first quarter. Deployment's healthy at $126,000,000 Those are the existing cases. We've got $61,000,000 associated with the passage of time. I spoke about the change in discount rate. Milestones and other impacts that both the changes of assumptions inside the models, milestones as well as the unwind of unrealized gains that move into realized gains. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:15:40And then realizations, dollars 163,000,000, which Chris and John alluded to a great start to the first quarter. So with that, let's go and actually talk about the putting the money out the door. The page 14 highlights the definitive new commitments. And as Chris mentioned, we had a great first quarter. This quarter had $158,000,000 of new definitive commitments, and that compares quite favorably to $55,000,000 that was in both the first quarter of twenty twenty three and the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:16:21You'll see the different colors. There's no specific target that we're looking for in a particular quarter, but you can see a healthy range of activity and new cases that we put on, in this period. The 158,000,000 sources from two places. It's exciting to see 103,000,000 of newly originated matters and then $55,000,000 that's also new matters. They happen to come from discretionary portfolios that we've established where we had to find and source a new case to add to the portfolio. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:17:00And so that totals the 158,000,000 And then if you look at our total of where we sit today with undrawn commitments, we've got $800,000,000 just shy of 800,000,000 of definitive commitments outstanding on the existing book. Overall, on the right hand side, you then also see we've got plenty of capital and liquidity to continue putting money out the door, and we put out 130,000,000 in the first quarter. But enough about talking about putting money out, let's talk about bringing money in. And on page 15, you see the highlight of the $163,000,000 realizations. Firstly, and John mentioned it, and we actually mentioned and discussed it with you, I think briefly at Investor Day, which is the conclusion of an asset that had a quick turnaround. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:17:50It was an asset that was originated in last year, a large size $125,000,000 group wide. And for the balance sheet, that represented a $19,000,000 gain. And that's exciting to see a quick IRR of 40%. Obviously, you have quick turnaround high IRR, you are going to see a slightly lower ROIC. And we would expect that. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:18:15And as you can see, the implied ROIC fluctuates from period to period. But overall, 163,000,000 of realizations for the period and that's not just made up of one asset. Overall, assets generating $5,000,000 or more and three of those generating $10,000,000 or more. I'm going to skip forward now and talk briefly about managing the money on our balance sheet to managing the funds. If you look on Slide 21, asset management income was $14,000,000 versus $7,000,000 quarter over quarter, so a nice improvement there. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:18:54Cash was $7,000,000 versus $4,500,000 And I think the big takeaway here is that during this first quarter, the first time we actually started to crystallize performance fees from the Advantage Fund, That was a fund that stopped investing a little over a year ago. And then now as those assets are starting to mature, we can start to recognize some of the performance fee associated with that fund. Looking to capital, liquidity and expenses, page 23 is the bridge that walks you through where our cash sat at the end of the year to the $5.40 currently have at the end of the quarter. You see also in one of the bullets, we have $103,000,000 due from settlement. So we are sitting in a very healthy liquidity position. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:19:46As a reminder though, we do have $123,000,000 of debt maturing in August and we have ample cash available to pay that down. The bottom of the page, it's nice to see steady cash flow quarter after quarter coming from our assets. And in particular, seeing the $258,000,000 to kick off of first quarter, obviously, compares very favorable, not quite as large as the third quarter, but still a great quarter overall. On Page 24, I walk through our expenses. Expenses were higher first quarter compared to first quarter of last year at $40,000,000 A couple of reasons for that. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:20:32First is the carry, the long term incentive compensation. The accrual of that is going to align neatly with the movements in fair value. And in a period in which we have much higher revenue, you're going to see that number higher. And so on a comparative basis, it's not surprising to see that as a larger number compared to the first quarter of the previous period. We also have a slight uptick in G and A. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:21:03I don't want people to walk away with an expectation that that increase is going to continue. There are some items that are not expected to reoccur in subsequent quarters. And then finally, we did have a bit more in case related expenditures, which we're not able to actually capitalize into the asset value of our portfolio. And that's going to be episodic by nature. Page 25 rounds it out with the maturity schedule, ample room within our covenants. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:21:41We also have ample cash to address the 2025 maturity. And so we're sitting here in a great position to continue growth, continue the momentum that was built this quarter in terms of new business. And I appreciate your attention. With that, I hand it over to Chris for some closing remarks. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:22:03Thanks very much, Jordan. And I'll pick it up on slide 26, where we summarize a number of things about the business that I won't necessarily take you through point by point, especially since we spent quite a lot of time with you on these points on Investor Day. But since we have had Liberation Day that occurred the afternoon before our Investor Day and we've seen lots of market turmoil since then, I would just underline a couple of points about Burford's interesting business. Not only are we not negatively affected by things like tariffs and and the other economic dynamics that are going on, these are the kinds of periods where historically Burford has seen some real benefit. The the simple reality is that when businesses are under stress, and when there is market turbulence and liquidity uncertainty and all of the other things that we see happening today, those are times when a couple of things happen that are good for us. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:23:07First, businesses are even more unwilling than normal to write big checks to their lawyers. And so the kinds of capital solutions that we offer are especially appealing to businesses in these kinds of time periods. You know, we we started Burford, in 02/2009 because law firms were overrun with requests from their corporate clients to do something about their fees in in the financial crisis and in that time of compressed liquidity. And we've seen that dynamic repeat itself cyclically a few times since then. The other thing, though, that happens when businesses are under stress is that they feel pressure from from you, from their investors, to do things like make their numbers and continue to grow and and do all of the other things that unlock bonuses and drive corporate behavior. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:24:00And what that does in inside businesses is it can cause people to cut corners and to make bad decisions when they're under stress. Those bad decisions, in turn, often turn into opportunities for for later litigation and arbitration. And we've seen that throughout our history as well. And so this is you know, we are we are one of the few companies that actually enjoys the kind of period that we're seeing out there in the markets right now. And I I just sort of underline the fact that Burford's business is really built to deal with adversity, deal with it and and flourish in it. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:24:42We're long term players. We're here we're here to stay, and we're excited to be able to show you quarter quarter on and quarter on our ability to continue to make progress towards the goals that we enunciated just last month at our Investor Day. And so with that, we'd be happy to take your questions. Operator00:25:05Press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. We will we do ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. We will pause for just a moment to compile the Q and A roster. And your first question comes from the line of DeVries with Mark DeVries with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Operator00:25:32One on that, Mark. Mark DevriesDirector at Deutsche Bank00:25:41I'm not muted, don't think. Operator00:25:44Yes. Please go ahead, Mark. Mark DevriesDirector at Deutsche Bank00:25:46Can you hear me? Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:25:49Yes. We can now. Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:25:50We can Jordan LichtChief Financial Officer at Burford Capital00:25:50hear you, Mark. Mark DevriesDirector at Deutsche Bank00:25:51Okay. Okay. Great. I had a question a follow-up question on John's comments on YPF. You alluded to the IMF agreement that they had. Mark DevriesDirector at Deutsche Bank00:26:03Is that agreement or the dispersion of funds contingent upon them addressing the YPF settlement? Or is it more just kind of a conceptual idea that they put out as a priority that should be addressed at some point in the future? Jonathan MolotCo-Founder & CIO at Burford Capital00:26:16The general IMF policy is that they don't do a program if there are outstanding debts due that are noted in the agreement and that they're not engaged in reasonable dialogue in order to address and solve. So it doesn't it's not a condition and this is generally for the IMF. It's not a condition of disbursements that you have already resolved the debts, but you have to be working in good faith to resolve them as a condition. And what the the program says that is true right now for the one that's been affirmed by the UK Supreme Court, and that will be true when ours is when and if ours is affirmed by the US appeals courts. So I don't know if that answers your question, it's somewhere between the two things I think you laid out as possibilities. Mark DevriesDirector at Deutsche Bank00:27:19Okay. Yes, that's helpful. And then just turning to the new commitments in the quarter. There was a pretty significant quarter on quarter change in the distribution in wristbands and the new commitments. Can you provide some qualitative insight into the types of business you added in Mark DevriesDirector at Deutsche Bank00:27:34the Mark DevriesDirector at Deutsche Bank00:27:34quarter relative to the last few? Is it related to Chris' comments about the launch of a big U. S. Claim family? Or are there some other forces there? Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:27:44I think that's certainly part of it, Mark. And and I would I would say without looking at the data that I don't have in front of me, I think that's a no doubt a significant part. But, again, you know, we're we're providing these as a as sort of an effort to give people a little bit more insight. Because as we said at investor day, we don't think that you can treat all commitment and deployment dollars equally any longer. And so we're we're trying this out with you, and we'd welcome feedback on it, by the way. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:28:18We're trying this out with you as a way of maybe trying to give a little bit more nuance. But as with all of these things, there's sort of a limit to the to the you know, how useful it is in this aggregate way because, you know, you do see differential performance within those bands. As as John pointed out, you know, we had a we had a large matter resolved very rapidly that probably performed differently than what certainly performed differently than than the way that we would have originally modeled it to have performed because we would have expected it to have been outstanding for longer, and it would have had a both a different risk and and return characteristic. But what you're seeing there with quite a lot of comparatively low modeled risk activity, some of that is certainly due to the fact that the new claimants family comes with sort of a cross collateralized portfolio style approach. Mark DevriesDirector at Deutsche Bank00:29:22Got it. Thank you. Operator00:29:27And our next question comes from the line of Alex Bowers with Berenberg. Please go ahead. Alexander BowersAssociate Director, Equity Research Analyst at Berenberg00:29:35Afternoon, everyone. Just one for me. The uptick in the unrealized gains from YPF related assets during the quarter, I guess aside from sort of technical factors like the discount rates or the passage of time, were there any other kind of contributing factors to the kind of uplift in the valuation for those cases? Thanks. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:29:55Well, only other factor was the dynamic that I think we actually mentioned at Investor Day as well, where when you look at the Ethan Park side of the YPF transaction, Ethan Park, obviously, was the the former New York hedge fund that is now in in liquidation. And as that liquidation has progressed over time, you have seen our interest in the in the sort of the Eaten Park corpus continue to grow. And so during the period, that grew from, I believe, seventy seventy two or 73% to 82 now. And so because of that growth in our interest in the Eaten Park activity, we will we will have seen an increase in value because of that. And and actually, if you look at the consolidated numbers, you'll see an even an even more significant dynamic because that reached the point now of us actually having to consolidate it into our consolidated numbers. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:31:06But, course, that doesn't matter in the in the Burford only outcome. But but in true economic value, we have, in fact, you know, taken now another, in round numbers, 10% of the Eaten Park entitlement, and that drives an increase in the in the balance sheet value of YPF in total. Alexander BowersAssociate Director, Equity Research Analyst at Berenberg00:31:26Thanks. And just a quick follow-up on that. Did you have to pay for that increase? Or was it just part of the kind of liquidation process? Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:31:33No. We pay it as it happens, but we pay roughly around carrying value. Alexander BowersAssociate Director, Equity Research Analyst at Berenberg00:31:43Okay. Thanks very much. Operator00:31:48And our next question comes from the line of Randy Binner with B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead. Randy BinnerManaging Director at B.Riley Securities00:31:56Hi. Thank you. I'm I'm gonna try to just, just clarify a couple of of the previous questions, if if that's okay. So on the on the new claim family that was part of the commitments, I I just I didn't track in the answer. Is there is there a particular, like, litigation type that that was related to, or is that more like a structural family? Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:32:20So when we talk about claim families, so let's let's again, because we have the handy resource of the Investor Day materials just behind us, you'll recall that we described the world as as sort of falling into two buckets. The the single case bucket where company a is suing company b and the the issue doesn't really relate to anybody else or instances where there is multi party litigation. You know, an example of that is the is the publicly acknowledged cases that we're doing in the food proteins area, where, you know, the The US Government has found a price fixing conspiracy among proteins producers, meaning that many proteins buyers have claims for an overcharge. And we we sometimes call those claims families because they're the same kind of claim being brought by a number of different parties, and there is a degree of efficiency for us to put those claims together. We get to go to, you know, a number of those proteins buyers, use the proteins example, and and say to them, look, we we are already in these cases. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:33:43We know them well. It's easy for us to it's easy for us to add on the the next marginal buyer, if you will. And so but those things, you know, we can't we can't create them, and they don't necessarily happen on a regular or recurring basis. You know, life being what it is, there is always somebody doing something naughty. And as we as we showed you in one of the charts for investor day, you know, we we tend to have between zero and two of these larger chunkier, you know, multi case things happen in any given year. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:34:23We didn't have one last year at all. And so what what I was highlighting is that in the first quarter, some of the business that we wrote in the first quarter was for a new claims family. And that's an area where, you know, we'll now continue to watch that space. And if we continue to gain conviction and and like what we see, it's also entirely possible that we'll put more capital to work in in the same area as time passes. Randy BinnerManaging Director at B.Riley Securities00:34:56Okay. That's that's that's really helpful. I I appreciate that. And so then I guess the the I think the the somewhat related follow-up I have is just looking at the new business slide, the slide 14 of the deck that you shared is, you know, I think you it it was good news that the commitment number was high at $158,000,000, but but you, you know, you had deployments that, you know, effectively offset that. And and so the kind of the portfolio didn't grow in the quarter. Randy BinnerManaging Director at B.Riley Securities00:35:26And so I I think the answer to this is somewhat obvious, but I'll ask it anyway. I mean, is that, you you know, at some point, these commitments just offset deployments, so we actually have a higher base. I mean, is that the right way to think of kinda getting to that that that goal of I think it was doubling that portfolio by 02/1930. Is is that the right way to Randy BinnerManaging Director at B.Riley Securities00:35:47think Yeah. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:35:47Like, it's certainly more Randy BinnerManaging Director at B.Riley Securities00:35:48more stuff comes in and yeah. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:35:51Yeah. That that sure. Sure. And that's and and that's why if you think about this on a long term basis, you know, we're always thrilled to have the cases turning and the realizations coming in. But when you have periods with particularly high levels of realization as this one was, then yes, you may well have a period where the portfolio as a whole doesn't grow very much. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:36:20Imagine a world when if YPF comes in one day, that's a period during which one would expect presumably the portfolio actually to shrink. And that would be, from my perspective, an entirely happy outcome even though we would then have to go back to growth. Randy BinnerManaging Director at B.Riley Securities00:36:39Yes. Okay. Very helpful. I appreciate it. Thank you. Operator00:36:47And there are no further questions at this time. Christopher BogartCo-Founder, CEO & Director at Burford Capital00:36:51So I think that given that we took three hours or four hours of your time only a month ago, we are we, I think, have exhausted the webcast and telephone questions. So if anyone has further follow ups, our IR team would be delighted to speak with you. But otherwise, thank you very much for your time and attention, and please give us some feedback on this new more streamlined format and on some of the ways that we're presenting data for you. We're always to hear that. But until then, thank you all very much for your time and attention. Operator00:37:25Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. 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