Light & Wonder Q1 2025 Earnings Report

Light & Wonder EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.94
• Consensus EPS: $1.17
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$0.23
• One Year Ago EPS: $0.88

Light & Wonder Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $774.00 million
• Expected Revenue: $802.93 million
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$28.93 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: +2.40%

Light & Wonder Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q1 2025
• Date: 5/7/2025
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 4:30PM ET

Light & Wonder (NASDAQ:LNW) is a cross-platform global games company, which engages in the development of content and digital markets. It operates through the following segments: Gaming, SciPlay, and iGaming. The Gaming segment includes the design, manufacture, marketing, and distribution of portfolio of gaming products and services. The SciPlay segment involves the development and publishing of digital games on mobile and web platforms. The iGaming segment focuses on the provision of digital gaming content, distribution platforms, player account management systems, and services. The company was founded on July 2, 1984 and is headquartered in Las Vegas, NV.

Light & Wonder Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Presentation

[Operator]

Welcome to the Light and Wonder twenty twenty five Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Thank you.

[Operator]

I will now turn the call over to Nick Zengari, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Treasury. Please go ahead.

[Nick Zangari, Senior Vice President-Investor Relations at Light & Wonder]

Thank you, operator, and welcome everyone to our first quarter twenty twenty five earnings conference call. With me today are Matt Wilson, our President and CEO and Oliver Chow, our CFO. During today's call, we will discuss our first quarter results and operating performance followed by a question and answer session. Today's call will contain forward looking statements that may involve certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed during the call. For information regarding these risks and uncertainties, please refer to our earnings materials relating to this call posted on our website and our filings with the SEC.

[Nick Zangari, Senior Vice President-Investor Relations at Light & Wonder]

We will also discuss certain non GAAP financial measures. A description of each non GAAP measure and a reconciliation of each non GAAP measure to the most directly comparable GAAP measure can be found in our earnings release and earnings presentation located in the Investors section of our website. With that, I will now turn the call over to Matt.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Thanks, Nick, and thank you all for joining us today to discuss our first quarter results. Our focus on a comprehensive product roadmap, operational excellence and cross platform strategy has enabled us to return to double digit consolidated EBITDA growth, pacing us towards our year end target. I would like to recognize our team for their performance and relentless efforts to execute toward our financial and operational goals. As we outlined in the previous earnings call, growth in 2025 is expected to progress and weigh towards the second half of the year based on our visibility into the game sales funnel. We are focused on what we can control, and the teams are working diligently to adapt to the rapid shifts in the broader economic environment.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Importantly, our game performance is reflected in industry charts and supported by our customers, showing we are on the right path. With uncertainty in the current markets, we will stay the course to reinvest into R and D for sustainable growth in the future. While this industry has proven to be resilient time after time, we are not immune to ripple effects from operators and the end consumers should we see a long term structural shift in policies resulting in a softer macroeconomic environment. However, I remain optimistic about the future of the gaming industry and our position to capitalize on the opportunities with our product portfolio, which continues to be a key driver of our performance. Let's turn now to the operational highlights.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Our gaming team continues to leverage our product portfolio and content roadmap, driving yet another quarter of growth across all lines of business. During the quarter, we added approximately 500 units sequentially to our North American installed base, bringing the number of added machines to over 2,900 units year over year. Our North American gaming operations footprint is now over 34,000 units, with 51% of the fleet as premium. The diversity of our franchise is paying dividends, and the most recent IELTS chart reflects this with Light and Wonder holding 40% of the top 25 new premium and WAC games in the first quarter of twenty twenty five. Gain sales continues to be a highlight, with over 9,700 global units shipped in the quarter, driven by share gains that we've made since we started on this journey.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

We exited 2024 as the number one ship share supplier globally and carried that momentum into the first quarter, regaining the number one position in Australia, underpinned by the variety of game franchises we have to offer, such as Shenlong Unleashed and Lightning Gong as well as Huff and Even More Pup, which debuted as number one in Queensland clubs. In North America, gains from proven evergreen franchises such as Superhot Flaming Pots, Mr. Lee and Mrs. Wong, both ranked in the top five of new core games. And the Cosmic Upright Cabinet, the top performing Portrait Upright Cabinet, are prime examples of great performance during the quarter.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

This improved game and hardware performance is evidenced through a 400 basis point share gain for North American game sales in 2024 year over year to 24%. Our systems and table business continue to deliver healthy results as a result of a strong portfolio. We expect to drive further innovation through our experience and leadership position into sustainable growth across these product lines. Since the beginning of the year, our Chief Product Officer, Nathan Dray, has also turbocharged our game launches with a robust road map of games coming across cabinets on both the gaming operations and game sales categories globally. Anticipate the pipeline to continue to build upon itself and propel us forward as we execute our strategy for further upside in the gaming business.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

On to SciPlay, where we continue the trend of outperformance relative to the broader social casino market year over year for three years and counting. Mobile gaming is a large market, and we will continue to find avenues to grow our portfolio sustainably. This quarter was impacted by a late quarter reacceleration from the Jackpot Party updated game economy highlighted in our previous earnings call. We have seen continued positive signs of player engagement with the new economy in March and feel confident in its growth trajectory and the return to growth in the second half of the year. Importantly, the significant insight into the performance and information we gathered enables further opportunity to drive efficiency and leverage these learnings across other games.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Importantly, we saw growth in other games as QuickHit Slots was able to achieve its thirteenth consecutive record revenue with 15 consecutive quarters of growth, while eighty eight Fortune also reached three consecutive quarters of record revenues. More broadly, we are focused on the key SciPlay initiative, which includes user acquisition, monetization and direct to consumer. Regarding UA, our team is committed to staying fluid and maximizing the opportunity when it counts. We continue to scale monetization by leveraging dynamic live ops through the SciPlay engine, with year over year growth reflected in average revenue per daily active user and average monthly revenue per paying user metrics. We also have exciting updates to share on our DTC platform and how we plan to grow, which will further unpack at our upcoming investor day.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

More than a year ago, we introduced DTC to our players and have received very positive feedback since then. We've been cultivating the platform to ensure seamless and optimized customer experience, and we'll continue rolling out this offering in phases and eventually onto our other games in the SciPlay portfolio. Looking forward, our team is committed to the fundamentals of the business and to the long term sustainable growth. We will continue to focus on high return, prudent UA spend, while improving monetization in the core portfolio titles. This growth will be compounded by the methodical scaling of our DTC platform, supporting margin expansion in the business for years to come.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Turning to iGaming, where we see continued success in both first party and third party content launches, as well as added service capabilities, which further enhance the value proposition of our offering. Additionally, growth was accentuated and evidenced in all markets, led by market GGR increases of 3011% in The U. S. And Canada markets, respectively, year over year. Content creation and cross platform deployment is core to our strategy.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

We are building on the momentum in The U. S, supported by strong new first party game launches, including Huff and More Puff and Wizard of Oz Over the Rainbow in the quarter. These are exclusive launches with FanDuel and BetMGM, respectively, and they've set new single game GGR records for both operators since their release. We expect these games to be more widely distributed as they come off exclusivity shortly. Additionally, land based fan favorite, Huff and Moorpark achieved record North American GGR volume across the OGS on its initial sixty day release, a testament to the power of our game portfolio and brand exposure of a tested, proven franchise.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

We expect the runway for our first party content to continue to broaden as the overall iGaming market grows and as we expand our presence with the introduction of elk games in the fast growing Ontario market. In terms of our service offerings, we continue to see a proliferation of that business with operators. Recently, we launched marketing jackpot in New Jersey with additional rollout plan. Furthermore, we see validation that our product provides substantial value to customers through securing the player account management and aggregation platform tender for the Finnish lottery. Overall, I'm pleased with the vision, strategy, execution, and leadership Simon Johnson has brought to the business.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

We've made some important strategic decisions under his leadership that will ultimately bear fruit in the long term. The renewed focus on high return initiatives, such as cultivating first party content and leveraging our deep pool of diversified game franchises is expected to drive share gains moving forward. Back in February, we announced the strategic acquisition of Grover Gaming's charitable gaming asset, which is expected to enhance our role as a leading cross platform global games company by adding another growing regulated market to our portfolio. Licensing approvals are on track, and the transaction is anticipated to close by the end of the second quarter. Preliminary integration and planning efforts are proceeding as planned, and we are preparing to bring the team onboard.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

We view this as a strategic growth driver for Light and Wonder. Just recently, the state of Indiana legalized e pool tabs effective July one of this year. This is a welcome tailwind and incremental to our base case assumption. We're excited about the sizable opportunity and intend to be competitive in the state with our r and d supported games and hardware. You will hear more from us on our integration and growth plans for Grover with the upcoming capital markets update.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

As it relates to an update on our ongoing litigation, back in early April, we engaged a third party expert who conducted an audit of holding spin gains released after mid two thousand and twenty one to determine whether any of those gains presented similar issues to those identified with Dragon Train and Jewel of the Dragon. He found no evidence of Aristocrat mass values being used in any of those games. We expanded our view to include Hold and Spin games released before mid two thousand and twenty one. We have now completed searches of math models for Hold and Spin games released between 02/2015 and mid-twenty twenty one and found no evidence that Aristocrat math values were used in any of those games. In closing, I'm very excited to be hosting our Investor Day in less than two weeks' time.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

We will use the event as an opportunity to dig into the fundamentals of our business and strategy to help propel our growth in the coming years. We look forward to seeing many of you in New York on the twentieth. With that, I'll now turn it over to Oliver for a discussion on our financials.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

Thanks, Matt. Our commitment to operational excellence and continuous improvement is reflected in our first quarter performance, and we expect this to continue as we execute towards our 2025 targets. The initiatives and processes we have in place enable us to remain adaptable to changes. While the uncertainty in the current environment persists, we are focused on execution and sustainability in the long run. This quarter marked our sixteenth consecutive quarter of consolidated revenue growth, a 2% increase to $774,000,000 compared to the prior year, driven by our gaming and iGaming businesses.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

Net income was $82,000,000 as increased revenue and margins were offset by higher restructuring and other expenses primarily related to costs associated with pending acquisitions and discontinuation of live casino operations. This resulted in diluted net income per share of $0.94 compared with $0.88 in the prior year period. In line with guidance provided in the last earnings call, consolidated EBITDA in the first quarter grew double digits, increasing by 11% to $311,000,000 compared to $281,000,000 in the prior year. Our continued business optimization led to increased revenue and expanded margins across all businesses, resulting in a consolidated EBITDA margin of 40%, a 300 basis point increase over the prior year period. Adjusted NPATA for the quarter was up 11% year over year to 117,000,000 on revenue growth and margin expansion, partially offset by higher income taxes.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

Adjusted NPATA per share or EPSA increased 21% to 1.35 compared to $1.12 in the prior year period. Operating cash flow increased 8% to $185,000,000 in the quarter, leading to a 19% increase in free cash flow to $111,000,000 reflective of strong earnings and lower CapEx, partially offset by unfavorable changes in working capital, inclusive of higher cash income taxes paid of $24,000,000 Turning to our business segment performance. This quarter is another example of the efficacy of our core strategy of creating great content and a diverse product offering. Gaming revenue was $495,000,000 in the quarter, a 4% uplift bolstered by growth across all business lines, with particular strength in tables, gaming operations and systems. EBITDA grew 9% to $254,000,000 a result of improving top line in conjunction with margin expansion of 200 basis points to 51%, demonstrating our ability to increase margin while investing back into the business.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

Gaming operations delivered $173,000,000 of revenue in the quarter, a 5% increase year over year. Our North American installed base increased by approximately 500 units sequentially, while maintaining an average revenue per day of over $48 which was adversely impacted by weather, primarily in the Northeast. Internationally, the sequential installed base impact was attributed to lease to sale conversions, mainly in the LatAm region. Global gaming machine sales were $2.00 $8,000,000 in the quarter, up 1% year over year, primarily from strong performance in the North American replacement market, where we shipped 26% more units compared to the prior year period, closing in on 5,400 units. Internationally, units were impacted by elevated sales in both AMZ and Asia in the prior year.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

As Matt mentioned earlier, we expect game sales this year to be back half weighted with ample opportunities for us to commercialize our expansive library of content and hardware. Importantly, our global average selling price of nearly $20,000 reflects the value and premium on our cabinets and games. Systems revenue grew 5% year over year to $63,000,000 on increased hardware sales in North America. We expect numerous opportunities in this line of business and it will be a critical component of our future growth as our enhanced software modules continue to drive meaningful hardware upgrades. Table products grew nine percent compared to the prior year to $51,000,000 on higher utility sales as we continue to develop and grow our pipeline of innovative products.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

Overall, I am pleased with the continued execution of our strategy, supported by the broad portfolio of games and products we have at our disposal. Turning to SciPlay. Revenue for the quarter was $2.00 $2,000,000 on record performance by Quick Hit Slots and 88 Fortunes, games that grew 1631%, respectively, within our expansive portfolio as we continue to outperform the broader social casino market. EBITDA grew 3% compared to the prior year period to $64,000,000 representing a margin of 32% or 200 basis point increase. Underlying this expansion is our direct to consumer platform, which generated $27,000,000 over 13% of revenue in the quarter.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

This seven fifty basis point increase across the past twelve months is a testament to our commitment to scale this offering sustainably and prudently over time. Importantly, we remain true to our principles on user acquisition spend, deploying in a responsible manner to enhance our acquisition, engagement and monetization flywheel opportunistically. We will continue to invest in UA spend as needed and reassess if we are not seeing the returns above our thresholds with current industry dynamics. Monetization continues to be a key focus and remains strong during the quarter as various key metrics grew meaningfully compared to the prior year. Average revenue per daily active user increased 5% to 1.06 and average monthly revenue per paying user was up 3% and approaching $117 Through this activity, payer conversion increased by roughly 20 basis points to 10.4%.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

The underlying foundation of the KPIs and performance in our broader portfolio reflects a business that can grow sustainably as we have stabilized Jackpot Party and see a return to growth moving forward. I'm confident in the strategy and execution of our plate team as we successfully navigated complex industry changes in the past, which has driven outperformance relative to the market year after year. We will continue to leverage our best in class SciPlay engine across an array of games with a focus on sustainable growth. On to iGaming. Revenue increased 4% year over year to $77,000,000 largely driven by continued market expansion and content launches.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

EBITDA grew 8% compared to the prior year to a record $27,000,000 on higher revenue flow through and EBITDA benefit from the discontinuation of the live casino business in the quarter. Our focus on investment reallocation and first party content is expected to sustain this margin uplift over time. Importantly, we achieved another record quarter of GGR on our OGS with $25,200,000,000 of wages processed through the content aggregation platform, a 13% increase year over year. Our studios continue to benefit from the scale of the network with Lightning Box and LKGR up 159% respectively, driven by strong franchise performance from Thundering, EggLink and Pyrites. Our first party content deployment strategy is further enhanced with key game launches in the quarter such as Thundering Tiger from Lightning Box and Cygnus V from Elk.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

With our resources now realigned, aimed at building high margin first party content, we expect to drive significant value underpinned by continued market growth and long term expansion opportunities for years to come. As evidenced through my commentary on the business units, we continue to demonstrate a commitment to optimizing operations across the enterprise, ensuring every dollar spent impacts the bottom line. This includes managing corporate costs while executing top line growth initiatives. Over the past year, margins have consistently improved, reaching a consolidated EBITDA margin of 40% in the quarter. While some of this is attributed to positive changes in the mix shift of our business, we have also been executing an in-depth analysis of our business and relevant costs over the past couple of years.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

This includes ongoing business reviews around margin enhancement as well as the right shoring of resources and optimizing supply chain to ensure the most efficient and effective processes are in place. We expect to see these adjustments continuing over the coming years, which will ultimately set us up well for the long run. On the topic of our supply chain and the uncertainty of where tariffs will land, it's important to note that we are a global company that operates in numerous product lines and business models, which are impacted to varying degrees by changing policies. For the applicable parts of our business, we are largely in line with the industry in terms of the magnitude of impact. This being said, this is a dynamic environment we are navigating, and the plan that was previously implemented is absolutely crucial to our mitigation efforts.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

We have been executing the longer term plans to enhance our supply chain and operational efficiency. This ranges from onshoring of production, relocation of sourcing and utilization of agreements such as the USMCA. As we progress forward, we will remain nimble and reactive to the environment and continue consistent reevaluation of our supply chain and operational business. Our margin enhancement initiatives were implemented with the purpose of capital accretion to further enhance our cash conversion and reinvestment. We are well positioned to mitigate risks that could potentially pose disruptions so that the team can continue to execute and sustain our strategy and roadmap.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

We will continue to monitor the situation closely as we get further clarity over the coming months. We remain on track to deliver our 2025 consolidated EBITDA financial target of $1,400,000,000 and associated adjusted NPATA range despite the tariff headwinds given favorable trends in the business and our broader margin enhancement initiatives. As a reminder, this is excluding the contribution from our proposed Grover transaction. In terms of free cash flow for the quarter, we delivered $111,000,000 a 19% increase compared to the first quarter of twenty twenty four. While we continue to work through initiatives to scale our cash conversion on an annual basis.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

We see this quarter as a sign of progress, an indication that our business is capable of generating more meaningful free cash flow over the long term. Am also pleased to share that we have received commitments on a three year eight hundred million dollars Term Loan A at leveraged based pricing in line with our current revolver for the financing of our pending Grover Charitable Gaming acquisition. The commitments from our lender group far exceeded the $800,000,000 request, a testament to the strength of our relationships with our bank partners and stability of our business. Upon full realization of the benefits of the acquisition, we do not anticipate this incremental debt to move us outside of our targeted net leverage range of 2.5 to 3.5 times on a pro form a basis. One of the primary uses of capital during this quarter was our share repurchase program.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

We completed an additional 17% of our authorized $1,000,000,000 program, having purchased 1,900,000.0 shares totaling $166,000,000 We will continue to monitor the market and execute on share repurchase within the context of our capital allocation blueprint, while staying mindful that preserving liquidity is often beneficial in a fluid market. I'd like to close by reflecting on the foundation of excellence established here at Light and Wonder. Scaling our business units and generating incremental shareholder value over the long run can be accomplished by our focus in building sustainable and accretive business operations. We will now open up the call for questions. Operator?

[Operator]

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If for any reason you would like to remove that question, you can do so by pressing star followed by two. Please note, to allow everyone to ask a question, we do ask you to please limit yourself The first question on the line comes from Barry Jonas with Truist.

[Operator]

Please go ahead.

[Barry Jonas, Managing Director at Truist Securities]

Hey guys. I was hoping you could talk a little bit more about how tariffs are impacting the business that's both on the cost side, but I'm also interested to hear any thoughts on what you're seeing from customers around the replacement cycle or game ops trends? Thanks.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Yeah. Hey, Barry. Dynamic situation to say the least changes by the day or the hour or the or the tweet. I would say at the moment, tariffs are looking mitigatable for from where we're standing. I think it's it's evolving over time.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

If you go dial back three or four weeks when the policies first came out, it was a little bit scorched earth in terms of getting product into The US out of many of the Asian supply base. But over time, we found ways to to mitigate that through reconfiguring the supply chain and also just, you know, with some of the pauses that we've seen on on tariffs coming through. So, you know, at this point, we see a pathway to to mitigate that, you know, recommit to our $1,400,000,000 target. You know, I've I've said it many times before. You know, back in 2022, there was no false precision about the way we'd get to the number.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

You know, every time we reforecast is a a different, you know, configuration of pathways to get there. The team's done that work to reforecast, and we see line of sight to getting there. So I would say from a tariff perspective, it's a burden that the entire industry is gonna have to manage through. It starts with what we can control and managing our cost basis as effectively as possible. I think secondly, it's about suppliers really stepping up to the plate and shouldering their burden, those increased tariff costs.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Then finally, as we saw with COVID, passing through what we can to customers, you know, largely, we're gonna try to mitigate that ourselves and through the supply base. But, you know, we saw an ability to pass through some costs to customers through that COVID experience. So we see this as being no different, but it starts with us and us mitigating our cost as effectively as possible. Olev, any to add to that?

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

Yeah. Just a couple of adds there. I think just we spoke about this at the 4Q earnings call. We'll continue to be diligent in implementing the measures that Matt mentioned. And it's really diversification of the supply chain that we've been working on over the last couple of years.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

So to Matt's point, this is a moving target, and you and we've seen that over this past month. This this current state is likely what we would kind of consider as worst case scenario, and we believe it will improve as negotiations takes place with this current administration and and the various different countries. But I think, importantly, we are taking a very balanced approach to mitigating this. We're not overreacting to kind of the ever changing policy and and uncertainties that we see. So the focus for us will continue to be prioritizing the investments to support the achievement of one point one point four and then also supporting future growth.

[Barry Jonas, Managing Director at Truist Securities]

Great. Thanks, guys.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

Thanks, Barry.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from Matt Ryan with Barron Joe. Joey, please go ahead.

[Matt Ryan, Founding Partner, Equity Research at Barrenjoey]

Thank you. I had a

[Matt Ryan, Founding Partner, Equity Research at Barrenjoey]

question on The U. S. Gaming ops yield in the first quarter. And maybe if you could just share some color on how we should grade that in regards to the impact from macro or sort of coin in versus what you might have seen from mix through the portfolio?

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Yeah. Hey, Matt. Kind of a multipart question there. I I would say, you know, what we could had committed to in q one was reversing a lot of the discounting we'd seen in q four as a consequence of the Dragon Trans situation. That that has happened.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

That's actually unwound those discounts. So we see that that base back to normalization. I think what you're seeing in the number in q one was really weather related and and mostly on our WAP product in the Northeast specifically. I think Oliver touched on that on the on the prerecorded remarks. Consistent with what we've heard from from operators and we've heard from competitors in the marketplace, we also saw some of that in the Grover install base.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

So kind of seasonal weather related issues that have reversed themselves, and, yeah, we're we're back to kind of normal trading at the at the moment. So I would say what you're seeing in that is a is really weather related and and a onetime isolated event.

[Matt Ryan, Founding Partner, Equity Research at Barrenjoey]

Thank you.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Thanks. Welcome.

[Operator]

We now have a question from Chad Benjamin with Macquarie.

[Chad Beynon, Managing Director, Analyst at Macquarie Group]

Hi. Good afternoon, Matt Oliver. Wanted to ask about the side play business. There was a recent ruling with Apple related to alternative payment methods, could could play into your your DTC strategy. It could be, I believe, a positive.

[Chad Beynon, Managing Director, Analyst at Macquarie Group]

Wondering if you could touch on, you know, how this can affect the business, going forward when when we could expect to see some change, and if there's any updated goals in terms of what that DTC percentage, could get to for the business? Thank you.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Yeah. We we were excited to see that ruling, be favorable. It does create a great tailwind from a margin perspective, for the social casino industry. We've gone from 0% DTC, you know, just a few short quarters ago to over 13%. We've been ramping that up in line with the the rules and regulations related to to Apple and and Google.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Yeah. This does seem to give us a bit more oxygen in terms of pushing the agenda on direct to consumer, so you should expect that from us through the remainder of the year. We're actually gonna share some targets around that at the Investor Day in New York in a in a few days' time. So timely, we got that ruling. It was always going to be a driver of our long term growth prospects of the EBITDA line, but I think this ruling gives us the opportunity to be a little bit more aggressive on the accelerator as it relates to direct to consumer.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

So we see that as a really nice tailwind from a margin perspective for the social casino business.

[Chad Beynon, Managing Director, Analyst at Macquarie Group]

Great. Thank you very much.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Welcome.

[Operator]

Thank you. We have another question from Andre Fumier with UBS. Please go ahead when you're ready.

[Andre Fromyhr, Executive Director, Equity Research at UBS Group]

Thank you. I just want to ask about the international gaming business. We can see, at least from a volume perspective, the installed base has declined a little bit sequentially. It's down 10% year on year. And the overall volume of unit sales has also slowed down in the last couple of quarters.

[Andre Fromyhr, Executive Director, Equity Research at UBS Group]

Can you talk through what's going on in your international markets and what the prospects for the rest

[Andre Fromyhr, Executive Director, Equity Research at UBS Group]

of the year look like?

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Yes. Let me start there on the sale volumes and then maybe you just chime in on the game ops volumes. I'd say there is some seasonality in Q1 'twenty five relative to the prior corresponding period. We had a large transaction that happened in the Asian market in Q1 of 'twenty four. So we're cycling over that, which gives us a bit of a tough comp in in q one from an international perspective.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

We're also cycling over extremely elevated share numbers in Australia. We're proud to say we were still number one in the Australian market in q one from a share perspective, but not at those kind of all time highs. So a couple of, you know, tougher comps there for us to cycle over. We still see it as being a really strong contributor to our overall business momentum. You know, we're seeing our product portfolio line up really nicely to the Australian market.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

You can see that with all the releases we've had. It actually huffened even more past the our number one game in The US went to number one in Queensland clubs in Australia, which just speaks to the depth and breadth of our portfolio. And, also, you know, the the feasibility of taking US style product into the Australian market, hasn't always been the case. But, yeah, we still see strong momentum in in that part of our portfolio going forward. Do wanna just touch on game ops?

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

Yeah. This one is a pretty straightforward one from an international install base perspective. There were some conversion, conversion to sales for leased units that primarily happened in the LatAm markets. This is just a commercial model that happens from time to time. This is not, I would say, a regular kind of occurrence, but will happen from, from time to time.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

So, this was, I would I would call, a onetime event here at the moment, we'll continue to kind of evaluate those opportunities as we move forward.

[Andre Fromyhr, Executive Director, Equity Research at UBS Group]

Okay. Thank you.

[Operator]

We now have David Katz with Jefferies. You may proceed with your question.

[David Katz, Managing Director at Jefferies]

Hi, evening everybody. You covered a lot of ground, but I noticed one issue I don't think you mentioned is the conversation that started a quarter ago around your listing. I wonder if you have any updated thoughts about that or any timing, and any sort of perspectives on how you're thinking about that given that since we last talked in a public call, quite a bit has happened.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

It certainly has, David. It certainly has. Yeah. Last time we updated the investor base, I think, was in the q '4 call. We talked about exploring the avenues to accelerate the Australian listing.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Our commitment was we'd go and engage with all stakeholders. So we've done that now. We've spoken with major shareholders to get their perspective potential shareholders to get their perspective. I would say largely supportive of the idea of, you know, pushing the envelope with the Australian listing, which it's happening organically. We just printed our CDIs in Australia at 38 and a half percent of our market cap.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

So, you know, to go from zero, you know, approaching 40% so quickly just speaks to the efficacy of this idea and, yeah, pushing the agenda. I would say given everything else that's happening in the world, we know there's a lot on investors' minds, you know, whether it's the macro or tariffs or any number of things. And so, yeah, in times of uncertainty, it's it's probably worth kind of taking the foot off the accelerator with this initiative for for a period of time. We're interested in continuing to push the agenda with the dual listing. Like I said, that's happening organically.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

But, yeah, for the moment, don't expect a big announcement from us and a and a change in direction in terms of our strategy just given, you know, all the uncertainty in the broader market. You know, we we still feel like it's the right thing to do, the right initiative, but we're be thoughtful at the at the pace at which we execute.

[David Katz, Managing Director at Jefferies]

Thank you.

[Operator]

We now have a question from Rowan Gallagher with Jarden. Please go ahead when you're ready.

[Rohan Gallagher, Managing Director at Jarden Group Ltd]

Thank you, Matt, Oliver. Good afternoon. I like everyone on the call. Matt, Oliver, a lot's changed since you put out your $1,400,000,000 EBITDA guidance three years ago. It's including litigation, in terms of the economy, includes tariffs, etcetera.

[Rohan Gallagher, Managing Director at Jarden Group Ltd]

Obviously, the reiteration of that guidance highlights the sort of resilience that you've built in the business. You've obviously got to lean further into particular aspects to achieve that result given the recent adversities. Can you just articulate in terms of what do you need to ensure that you get to that 1,400,000,000 in terms of where you see gaming ops needing to get to, where do you see DTC needing to get to cost optimization, margin expansion, etcetera? That'd be super helpful. Thank you.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Yeah. Thanks, Rowan. And, you know, I'll just kinda restate that there's no false precision in the in the pathway to get there. You know, go back to 02/2022, the last Investor Day. We thought casual would play a big part of the growth expansion.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

You know, we didn't think international would be as big a part of the gaming story. You know, there's this in multiple different things that have that have happened over the years that have changed the pathways. And a lot like I said earlier, you know, our obligation is just to continue to reforecast what's the opportunity set in front of us, and we do that on a on a very regular basis. So we've we've done that just very recently. Oliver might give you some of the building blocks, but to to answer your questions directly, I'd say from a game ops perspective, it's continuing this momentum of adding games in the range that we've been adding for the last few quarters.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

You've seen that kind of ebb and flow between 500 this print, eight fifty last print. I think it was, you know, maybe more like 1,200, the one before that. So, you know, I'd say a continuation of the product momentum and translating into into gaming ops growth. I think continuing to see that yield pick up from from where it is here given the you know, we'll unwind some of that that that weather activity. Yeah.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Many of the business that are underlying kind of momentum style businesses. I think about social casino, SciPlay as an example. We see we see Jackpot Party reaccelerating into the second half to give us some tailwinds for for SciPlay. I think iGaming seeing a bigger market in The US than we have probably anticipated. GGR is remaining very elevated, and we're seeing some strong momentum in our one PP content with things like Huff and Puff coming to market.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

So, yeah, a number of different pathways to get there. Can't guide you on all the metrics, but, you know, we do see line of sight. We've done that reforecast, and we we see a solid pathway to get there. But, Oliver, anything?

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

I I just think to add, on the top line, we do see solid momentum in the underlying business to So we do have line of sight to top line growth to get us to the 1.4. I think you also saw this quarter, we grew 300 bay basis points year over year from a margin perspective to 40%. So, you know, we've been executing on this margin enhancement kind of strategy for the last couple of years, and, you know, our focus will be just to to do that quarter in kind of quarter out. We know that you know, we we believe we can see sustained margins at the business unit line item just even with some of the ebb and flows of the potential kind of market volatility that you utility that you see.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

And so I think for us control, we can control. I think cash flow was a strong result for us. We're gonna continue to drive improved cash flow over time. And to be clear, we're not gonna cut our way to prosperity here. We're gonna ensure that we remain nimble, obviously, with with this administration kind of weaving and and and bobbing here.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

But our goal is to continue to invest to support the 1.4, but more importantly, how do we invest for future growth aspirations that we'll talk to in a couple weeks.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Yeah. And maybe just one one build on that to address the first part of your of your question. Look. Obviously, there is a lot of concern about the macroeconomic environment. I watch the same news that you do.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

It's it's all consuming, but I I would say it's a reminder that the economy is not the gaming sector, and the gaming sector is not light and wonder. You know? I think we gotta look at the specific situational drivers for our business. I think the one number for everyone to kinda stay focused on is is GGR. Like, GGR is the fuel that drives the engine of the gaming ecosystem.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

And if you look at those numbers, they're holding up really well in in markets across The US. So that's the number to look for as a potential catalyst either to the upside or the downside. We're watching it like hawks ourselves. I think operators are doing the same. Again, we're we're lucky that we go after many of our casino operator partners that publicly trade.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

They're saying, you know, constructive things about the consumer at this point in time, but it's something we watch very closely.

[Rohan Gallagher, Managing Director at Jarden Group Ltd]

Super helpful. Thanks,

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Thanks, Ryan. Welcome.

[Operator]

Thank you. We now have Jeff Stantel with Stifel on the line.

[Jeffrey Stantial, Managing Director - Gaming & Leisure at Stifel Institutional]

Hey, good afternoon, Matt, Oliver. Thanks for taking our question. I wanted to

[Jeffrey Stantial, Managing Director - Gaming & Leisure at Stifel Institutional]

just follow-up and dig in

[Jeffrey Stantial, Managing Director - Gaming & Leisure at Stifel Institutional]

a bit deeper on Barry's question from earlier. Matt or Oliver, whoever wants to take this, can you just help us think a bit more about how we should think about timing for the current tariff policies to start to impact your input costs? I assume pricing is fixed at this point through the contracted pipeline, but just how should we think about input cost variability and the timing for the tariffs to be influenced through COGS and CapEx, maybe net of some of the mitigation efforts that you talked to earlier in the call? Thanks.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Yeah. Obviously, this news landed, we activated the team very quickly to figure out what what can we do to mitigate this as effectively as as possible. So pulling forward inventory was a a key part of that to make sure we get multiple quarters of inventory that's tariff unaffected. So we're in a solid position as it relates to that. We'll hit kind of the cash flows, obviously, because pulling forward into inventory, we'll we'll do that.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

But, you know, we we have a number of quarters here where we'll have unaffected inventory from a tariff perspective. And then it's really about the mitigation efforts. And so dynamically reconfiguring the supply chain to to circumvent the policies that are in place. You know, bringing product through Mexico is one great example of that. I would say as an industry, you know, the the big three suppliers we know pretty intimately from a supply chain perspective, we're all very similar in the way we're configured.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

There's not a huge amount of suppliers that supply the types of things that we need to build slot machines. So, yeah, you do see a pretty homogenized supply chain when it comes to the pathways to bring product into The US. So it I would say multiple quarters where we don't have affected inventory. And then like I said in the opening remarks, you go back four weeks ago, and it was a pretty skirt squashed earth environment. You know, you get tariffs in play, then you get reciprocal tariffs, and it felt like things were, you know, always moving against us.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

But I would say for the last three to four weeks, sanity seems to have prevailed, and things have really calmed down. And, yeah, for us to make strategic decisions about how to reconfigure our supply chain to optimize it, we need to understand, you know, consistently what is the lay the lay of the land. I think we're getting better insight into know, what is the forward looking situation gonna gonna be like. So I think that's pretty comprehensive. But anything you wanna add to that?

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

Yeah. I mean, I think that this is this is work that we've been we've been doing for the last couple of years, and I probably mentioned this either in this call or in the last call. But, you know, Anthony Fermani and that team have been focused on, you know, diversifying the supply chain. To Matt's point, we're looking at right shoring operations, whether that's to Mexico and other areas, you know, to kind of utilize the USMCA or just any other trade agreements that are out there that could, rediver kind of tariff related impacts. And so I think for us and I said this, earlier, it's we're not gonna we're not gonna be knee jerk in this.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

Right? We we wanna make sure that we're not overacting, that we we understand kind of where this where this all settles. And, ultimately, you know, we'll we'll come back to you all if if there's if there's an appropriate update to to be provided to the product market.

[Jeffrey Stantial, Managing Director - Gaming & Leisure at Stifel Institutional]

Great. Thank you both.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from Rohan Sundran with MST. Go ahead.

[Rohan Sundram, Senior Analyst at MST Financial]

Thank you. Hi, Matt and Oliver. Good afternoon. Just the

[Rohan Sundram, Senior Analyst at MST Financial]

one from me, and I know you've talked extensively about tariff impacts, and thanks for the color. I just wanted to just and apologies if I missed this on the call earlier, but how do you see tariff impacts impacting not just you talked about COGS, but in terms of customer decision making? And have you seen them pause, or is there any reconsiderations temporarily on their behalf? Or or do you feel like the casino results were so robust? Is it very much a a business as usual, but a bit more cautious type environment?

[Rohan Sundram, Senior Analyst at MST Financial]

Thanks.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Yeah. It it kind of changes by a range of different different factors. So you you do have some customers pulling forward orders. You've got some that are pausing to see what the situation looks like. So I don't think there's a one size fits all scenario.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

You know, I would point to the ISLIS survey that just came came out with forward looking intentions, looking to tick down a little bit from a replacement perspective. But what I would say about that, and the the survey calls it out is that was filled out four weeks ago right in the middle of the storm where things were very, very uncertain. I think if you repulse the customer base again, given what we know now, you might see a different different result there. But, yeah, I'd I'd say customers are like snowflakes. They're all all slightly different with slightly different drivers.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

You know, you have publicly traded organizations that have a lot of scrutiny around their CapEx. You've got, you know, tribal budgets, which, you know, a bit are a bit more set and forget for the year. So there's a there's just a range of different customers out there. I don't think they're all acting in unison. They're they're all kind of managing through this slightly differently.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

So to the extent that GGR holds up and the casino economy, which has proven to be resilient through the cycles over the last few decades, then I think that purchasing power will will stay intact. Obviously, you know, the market's a function of price and quantity. So if pricing has to go up as a consequence of tariff, you know, quantity is is the offset there. I don't think the operators have infinite budgets. So, you know, like I said earlier, our obligation is to mitigate all the costs as best we can and leverage our supplier partners to, you know, shoulder their part of the burden and, you know, try not to, you know, pass costs on as as much as we possibly can to to customers so we keep the the quantities where they where we want them to be.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Yeah.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

And and I think my only add to that is, obviously, if there are some puts and takes, broadly speaking, you know, we always say this. Right? Content best content always wins at the end of the day. And if you look at even the most recent Eilish charts, you know, Light and Wonder are still, peppered all across, both the for sale market as well as the the premium, recurring revenue list. So I think for us, it positions us really well to be able to be dynamic and nimble, whenever this market, kinda comes to bear.

[Rohan Sundram, Senior Analyst at MST Financial]

Thanks guys.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Thank you.

[Operator]

We have a question from Adrian Lam with Citigroup. You may proceed when you're ready.

[Adrian Lemme, Director at Citi]

Hi, Matt and Oliver. Look, just wanted to note, the revenue growth in the last two quarters seems to have really slowed. And I know you've talked about some impacts with weather and other stuff in terms of cycling some tough comps. But Dean, are you expecting to see that revenue growth really accelerate through the rest of this year to get to that guidance target you've said? It just seems like in the first quarter, there's a lot relying on margin expansion.

[Adrian Lemme, Director at Citi]

So if you could just talk to that, please.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Yes. I would say Q4 was a little bit light. We were obviously navigating through some situations there in Q4. And then I would say in the first quarter, there's been some tough comps on the gaming side, which will kind of unwind throughout the remainder of the year. The one that's talk to you directly, and we we mentioned this on the fourth quarter, was in SciPlay, Jackpot Party had a few issues in the very late in the second half of the year in '24, which kind of bled over into the first part of 2025.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

It was really an economy issue. You know, these games, particularly the way that SciPlay runs them, which is really why they've been successful, kind of a multifaceted from a live ops perspective. And so when you're layering on, you know, multiple different bits of live ops functionality, you know, you have the potential for the economy not to act the way it should. We Josh, not we. Josh actually rewrote the economy for Jackpot Party in the first quarter.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

I I mentioned this on the q four earnings call that, you know, we had done that, and it started to trend positively. I would say since then, we're seeing the game really react the way it should and the way it has over the years, and so we see that rebounding throughout the remainder of the year. I would say Jackpot Party had really strong q one and q two of twenty four, so it's having to cycle over a tough comp from a revenue perspective to get back to to where it was. But we see the second half, given the trajectory of the game's now on, given the rewrite of the economy, that'll be a a big tailwind for for SciPlay. And it's our biggest game, so having that back in growth mode will be a a key contributor to to that market.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

But that so that's what I'd say about the the revenue drivers. I think from a gaming perspective, there's a bit of a second half weighting to some of the game sales opportunities, particularly in Asia. We have a big ATG opportunity in the in the second half that that we're locked in on. So anything you'd to that?

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

Yeah. I said this earlier. I think the underlying parts of our business remain strong. Look at the recurring revenue piece of it. So we we did grow 5% top line from a from gaming ops per se.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

We added 500 units to our installed base. You're seeing the premium mix continue to kinda shift up. We had contributions from systems and tables and other parts of our businesses to help kind of bolster kind of, sales. And I think the other piece that kinda kinda gets, you know, kinda unnoticed here is that we shipped over 5,700 units in North America from a for sale perspective. So so that's strong growth year over year.

[Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Light & Wonder]

We have momentum in North America. We have strong execution from Brian Pearson and the teams there. And so like I said, we're confident in the execution of kind of returning back to normalized growth here as we move through this year.

[Adrian Lemme, Director at Citi]

Thanks very much.

[Operator]

We now have Justin Barrott with CLSA. Your line is open.

[Justin Barratt, Equity Analyst at CLSA Limited]

Hi, Matt. Hi, Oliver. Thanks for your time. And so just following up on that last question then. I guess as we sort of think about more broadly the remainder of calendar year 2025, should we expect more broadly, I guess, even contributions from revenue growth and, I guess, margin expansion as you push towards that 1.4 build target?

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

Yeah. Not gonna give specific guidance when it comes to the revenue contribution and and EBITDA. I would say you should expect a a tick up in terms of the revenue growth throughout the remainder of the year for the reasons that that I just mentioned. I'll also just take an opportunity to mention this because no one's asked yet, but, you know, in a matter of weeks, we'll we will execute on the Grover transaction. And while we said that's not part of our $1,400,000,000 guide, it's a nice fast growing recurring revenue business that'll start to make a meaningful contribution to Light and Wonder over the remainder of the year.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

The business is performing at all time records, performing better today than when we signed the contract to to acquire the Grover Gaming assets. Indiana just got approved, which was not in any of our base case assumptions. Yeah. Given what we've experienced with iGaming and the kind of the slowness of regulations and markets opening up, we've we've learned not to put those things into our base case. And so Indiana coming on, is a, you know, very sizable market, just another tailwind for for revenue.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

So, you know, I think to the extent that you follow the company, you need to start to think about how does Grover factor into forward looking forecast because it's it's gonna be a nice growth piece of recurring revenue for us.

[Operator]

Thank you. We have the final question on the line from Paul Mason with Evans and Partners. Please go ahead.

[Paul Mason, Managing Director - Technology at Evans & Partners]

Hi team. Just wanted to get some comments on the three platform strategy and carbon platform and sort of where that's at. I know you're going to do more on the Investor Day, but just in in light of lots of questions around sort of costs and things like that, like, yeah, where are you guys at on sort of the the efficiency that's meant to be coming from that around being able to deliver games across platforms simultaneously? And have you sort of already got a lot of the cost efficiencies from carbon and, like, simultaneous release, or is that sort of something that's still coming?

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

It's I'm not here to steal Victor Blanco's thunder from the Investor Day. In a matter of days, gonna give you a very detailed explanation of where we stand relating to carbon. Grover has accelerated our our carbon investment. That gave us a really good use case for us to build games on a new platform for that market given that Grover has its own stand alone stand alone platform. So Carbon will sit across Grover, and then it'll give us that kind of Trojan horse to take that platform then across all the other all the other three verticals.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

So I would say we're we're building it now. The the only area that it shows up in, our p and l is in the cost line, so we haven't really gotten to any of the synergies yet. Grover will be really the first game to go out built specifically on the carbon platform, but gave us a really good, you know, reason to accelerate that program of work, which is important for our future. You know, the the three businesses we have today are on all on slightly different operating models and and platforms. So, yeah, having the Trojan horse in Grover to build this bespoke platform that we can take to the other businesses is just you know, it was just another great reason why Grover the Grover acquisition just made a huge amount of sense for us across the financial contribution, the the culture and values alignment, but also this kind of tech initiative gave us a reason to accelerate that.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

So, again, that's all in front of us from a efficiency perspective.

[Operator]

Thank you. I can confirm that does conclude the Q and A session. I would like to hand it back to Matt for some final closing comments.

[Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer at Light & Wonder]

In closing, I'd like to again thank everyone for joining our call today. We look forward to seeing many of you at the Investor Day in New York. For those who cannot attend, we'll be live streaming the event and recording it for replay purposes. Have a great weekend. Thanks for joining us.

[Operator]

Thank you all for dialing in for the Light and Wonder First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. Today's call has now concluded. You may now disconnect from the call. Thank you for your participation, and please enjoy the rest of your day.

Participants

Executives

• Nick Zangari, Senior Vice President-Investor Relations
• Matt Wilson, President and Chief Executive Officer
• Oliver Chow, Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer

Analysts

• Barry Jonas, Managing Director at Truist Securities
• Matt Ryan, Founding Partner, Equity Research at Barrenjoey
• Chad Beynon, Managing Director, Analyst at Macquarie Group
• Andre Fromyhr, Executive Director, Equity Research at UBS Group
• David Katz, Managing Director at Jefferies
• Rohan Gallagher, Managing Director at Jarden Group Ltd
• Jeffrey Stantial, Managing Director - Gaming & Leisure at Stifel Institutional
• Rohan Sundram, Senior Analyst at MST Financial
• Adrian Lemme, Director at Citi
• Justin Barratt, Equity Analyst at CLSA Limited
• Paul Mason, Managing Director - Technology at Evans & Partners