Clean Energy Fuels Q1 2025 Earnings Report

Clean Energy Fuels EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.01
• Consensus EPS: -$0.20
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.21
• One Year Ago EPS: -$0.01

Clean Energy Fuels Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $103.76 million
• Expected Revenue: $96.61 million
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$7.16 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: +0.10%

Clean Energy Fuels Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q1 2025
• Date: 5/8/2025
• Time: After Market Closes
• Conference Call Date: Thursday, May 8, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 4:30PM ET

Clean Energy Fuels (NASDAQ:CLNE) provides natural gas as alternative fuels for vehicle fleets and related fueling solutions in the United States and Canada. It supplies renewable natural gas (RNG), compressed natural gas (CNG), and liquefied natural gas (LNG) for medium and heavy-duty vehicles; and offers operation and maintenance services for public and private vehicle fleet customer stations. The company also designs, builds, operates, and maintains vehicle fueling stations; and sells and services compressors and other equipment that are used in RNG production and fueling stations. In addition, it transports and sells CNG, RNG, and LNG through virtual natural gas pipelines and interconnects; sells U.S. federal, state, and local government credits, such as RNG as a vehicle fuel, including Renewable Identification Numbers and Low Carbon Fuel Standards credits; and obtains federal, state, and local credits, grants, and incentives. Further, the company focuses on developing, owning, and operating dairy and other livestock waste RNG projects. It serves heavy-duty trucking, airports, refuse, public transit, industrial, and institutional energy users, as well as government fleets. Clean Energy Fuels Corp. was incorporated in 2001 and is headquartered in Newport Beach, California.

Clean Energy Fuels Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Clean Energy sold 51 million gallons of renewable natural gas in Q1, generating $104 million in revenue, $17 million of adjusted EBITDA and ending the quarter with $227 million in cash; the company is maintaining its full-year financial outlook and CapEx guidance.
• RNG sales volumes were lower YoY due to seasonal supply disruptions at third-party producer facilities, but steady demand from refuse, transit and trucking fleets has held firm, and management expects volumes to rebound later in the year.
• Ongoing tariffs have minimal direct impact on Clean Energy’s U.S. and Canada-based operations, though uncertainty around truck supply chains may temporarily delay heavy-duty fleet purchases of Cummins X15N-powered vehicles.
• Key policy catalysts include the RNG Incentive Act (potential $1/gallon credit), the impending final rule on the Section 45Z production tax credit and upcoming CARB LCFS updates in California, each of which could meaningfully enhance future results.
• Upstream dairy RNG production is scaling: six operating projects are performing well, two more are in advanced construction for 2025 service and three additional projects under partnership with Moss Energy are expected online in 2026.

Presentation

[Operator]

Good day, everyone, and welcome to today's Clean Energy Fuels First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call.

[Operator]

At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, you will have the opportunity to ask questions during the question and answer session. Please note this call may be recorded and I will be standing by should you need any assistance. It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Robert Freeland, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

Thank you, operator. Earlier this afternoon, Clean Energy released financial results for the first quarter ending 03/31/2025. If you did not receive the release, it is available on the Investor Relations section of the company's website at www.cleanenergyfuels.com, where the call is also being webcast. There will be a replay available on the website for thirty days. Before we begin, we'd like to remind you that some of the information contained in the news release and on this conference call contains forward looking statements that involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are difficult to predict.

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

Such forward looking statements are not a guarantee of performance and the company's actual results could differ materially from those contained in such statements. Several factors that could cause or contribute to such differences are described in detail on the Risk Factors section of Clean Energy's Form 10 Q filed today. These forward looking statements speak only as of date of this release. The company undertakes no obligation to publicly update any forward looking statements or supply new information regarding the circumstances after the date of this release. The company's non GAAP EPS and adjusted EBITDA will be reviewed on this call and exclude certain expenses that the company's management does not believe are indicative of the company's core business operating results.

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

Non GAAP financial measures should be considered in addition to results prepared in accordance with GAAP and should not be considered as a substitute for or superior to GAAP results. The directly comparable GAAP information, reasons why management uses non GAAP information, a definition of non GAAP EPS and adjusted EBITDA and a reconciliation between these non GAAP and GAAP figures is provided in the company's press release, which has been furnished to the SEC on Form eight ks today. With that, I will turn the call over to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Andrew Littlefair.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Thank you, Bob, and I hope the sound is okay. I'm in Washington, DC, and I've been up here working to spread the word on RNG. Bob, thanks. I'm pleased to report we had a very solid results for the first quarter of the year. In the quarter, we sold 51,000,000 gallons of renewable natural gas, generated 104,000,000 in revenue and $17,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

We finished the quarter with $227,000,000 in cash on our balance sheet, a $9,000,000 increase since the start of the year. Our RNG sales volumes were lower compared to the first quarter of twenty twenty four. This is driven by lower supply volumes from our third party RNG producers. Some of our producer partners were impacted by weather and other operational events. These issues are seasonal in nature and we expect to rebound over the remainder of the year.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Importantly, we did not see any material decline in demand from our fueling customers despite the market uncertainty regarding the economic impact of tariffs. Our fuel volume is underpinned by steady demand from our fleet customers in the refuse transit and trucking sectors. In recent months, there's been a lot of attention on tariffs and renewable energy policy. I believe that our business and product renewable natural gas are both well positioned. First tariffs have minimal direct impact on our business.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Our network of fueling stations are located in The U. S. And Canada and all of our R and D production facilities are located in The U. S. The vast majority of equipment and materials for our construction projects has already been procured.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

In fact, earlier this year, we moved compressors equipment from inventory in Canada to our facility in Wyoming as a precaution. Unlike other renewable energy supply chains, our RNG is produced, transported and delivered to customers here in The U. S. We are maintaining our full year financial outlook and CapEx guidance provided on our last call, which Bob will describe in more detail. However, we could feel some indirect impact of tariffs in that it creates uncertainty for our customers in the heavy duty trucking sector.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Potential impacts from tariffs on trucking supply chains, inflation and economic activity may affect our customers' business planning, including purchases of all trucks that would include their emission reduction initiatives like replacing diesel trucks with trucks equipped with the Cummins X-15N and running on RNG. Current market dynamics may slow decision timelines for natural gas vehicle purchase, but we strongly believe any delay will be temporary. And the merits of RNG for heavy duty trucking remain very compelling. In fact, at last week's Advanced Clean Transportation Expo, we heard many speakers comment over and over that RNG is a low carbon fuel with proven technology and infrastructure at a lower cost per mile than diesel. A parade of executives from a variety of fleets extolled the economic and environmental benefits of operating with RNG.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

An Amazon executive spoke about the total cost of operating over 3,000 heavy duty trucks in RNG as well as being the only alternative available to help them achieve their climate pledge. Shippers like Unilever and carriers like Paper Transport agreed. The theme was so predominant that Eric D'Andros, the coordinator of the Expo attended by 11,000 people, claimed that natural gas fueling was having a renaissance as the alternative that is truly viable in the heavy duty vehicle market. As we said on our last call, we expect early adoption of the X15N this year with a lot of singles versus home runs. Our station network and full suite of customer services are ideally suited to support fleets initial purchases of trucks with the X15N and the expansion over time.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

In addition to the opportunities in the heavy duty trucking, our other businesses continue to expand. We proudly serve over 69 transit agencies at 120 different sites and 175 refuse customers at three twenty five different sites across The U. And Canada. RNG has been dependable, clean, low cost fueling solution for those fleets for years. As an example, we completed a new RNG station for our longtime customer, Burtech, a large waste company in Victoria in Victorville, pardon me, California during the first quarter to accommodate an additional 60 trucks.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Burtech also contracted with us to add 50 trucks to fuel with RNG at another station we maintain for them. We're also expanding our relationship with USA Alling signing a contract to build another private station in South Windsor, Connecticut to fuel an additional four NG 40 CNG trucks. I told you about our success in converting existing customers from CNG to RNG. This allows the customer to dramatically and affordably reduce their carbon emissions while providing us with better margins on the fuel.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Transit agencies around the country have taken the advantage of this opportunity, and recently, we did this for the station we operate at the Nashville Airport. These are just a few examples of developments which occurred in the first quarter, but highlighted the nature of overall business and deep customer relationships. On the federal policy front, we continue to relate various outcomes. While the alternative fuel tax credit expired at the end of last year, the Renewable Natural Gas Incentive Act was introduced in the House in March, which if included in the larger tax bill could be retroactive to the beginning of the year. We are working closely with members of both houses to keep the RNG tax credit top of mind. The 45Z production tax credit is in the process of being finalized. We included a minimal amount from these credits in our Q1 results and our 2025 financial outlook based on the initial guidance, but once the 45Z credit is finalized, it could contribute more meaningful to our results.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

RNG is a commercial transportation as a domestically produced biofuel that converts waste into a low cost, low emission transportation fuel, we believe RNG fits well with this administration's priorities. In California, the Low Carbon Fuel Standard program updates remain in process. We expect more clarity in the coming weeks. As a reminder, these updates are expected to support higher credit prices over time, which is necessary to support growth in the low carbon fuels needed to hit California's targets. Now briefly turning to our upstream dairy RNG production projects, the six projects that have been operating are doing well and we are always working to improve production.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

We have two others in advanced construction expected to be in service by the end of the year and have an additional projects in construction through our development arrangement with Moss Energy with three projects likely to come online in 2026. In summary, our business is performing well. We are advancing our growth initiatives and we have strong balance sheet. We are confident in the stability and growth potential of our business and see multiple avenues for upside as some of these policy outcomes are resolved. That is why we resumed our share repurchase program in late March.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

We believe our shares are undervalued and this enables us to make repurchases while still maintaining ample cash to fund our growth. And with that, I'll hand the call back to Bob, who will give more details about our strong quarter.

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

Thank you, Andrew, and good afternoon to everyone. And I agree, we did have a strong quarter, first quarter of twenty twenty five with revenue of $104,000,000 And at face value, the $104,000,000 is basically level with last year. And I know we have a number of variables within our revenues. But the one for sure to keep in mind this year is that we do not have the alternative fuel tax credit in our revenue number because it expired. So last year there was $5,400,000 of alternative fuel tax credit in the revenue number for 'twenty four.

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

But in the quarter, we generated good positive operating cash flows in the first quarter of twenty five which actually exceeded our capital expenditures. So net net, as Andrew mentioned, our cash and investment balances grew from the end of last year. I'll start here on our GAAP earnings. And I want to address a couple items on the GAAP earnings. The first item is the planned removal of the LNG station equipment from various pilot flying J sites in 2020 We discussed this on our last earnings call and included the accelerated depreciation in our 2025 outlook.

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

Just reporting here that we are proceeding as planned with that project and most of the accelerated depreciation expense was recorded in the first quarter of twenty twenty five. The remaining accelerated depreciation will be recorded over time through the end of our lease, which is in August of this year. The second item is the write off of our longstanding goodwill intangible balance. This noncash write off was purely based on our share price at the end of the quarter. I've included that charge, I've added that into the GAAP outlook for 2025 since it's in the books, if you will.

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

These two non cash items combined amounted to $115,000,000 of our GAAP loss of $135,000,000 in total for the first quarter of twenty twenty five. As a side note, the values of our remaining assets are well supported by our positive cash flows and are not directly tied to our share price. From a non GAAP standpoint, our adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter of twenty twenty five was $17,100,000 compared to $12,800,000 a year ago. These positive results were driven by continued strength in our fuel distribution business, an increase in delivery of RNG to fleets at our stations and to our customers where we're also performing maintenance and services. Andrew went through the overall decline in RNG which was very much supply related.

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

There was also maybe about 5,000,000 gallons that were in the first quarter of twenty four that did not repeat in '25. We've talked about these gallons that we deliver sometimes outside our network just because we're so prevalent in the RNG market. I guess importantly on this, that we're really dialed in on what's going on with the RNG is because we have such a large footprint between our suppliers and our stations and our maintenance customers, we are able to optimize the flow of the available RNG such that our stations, our customers that we're maintaining and delivering RNG are priorities. That demand, as I said, went up. We're actually up year over year in those areas, which is why, which actually did contribute as well to our positive results for the first quarter.

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

Berries that we have, our joint ventures there, they were also impacted by the cold weather but they do remain on plan with their financial results. And as Andrew noted, we are making good progress in the ramp up of these dairies. All in all, a good quarter for us in operations and generating cash and we have a strong but continued caution optimism about achieving our plan for 2025. And with that, operator, we'll open the call to questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. Thank you. Our first question will come from Dushant Elani with Jefferies. Your line is open.

[Dushyant Ailani, Senior VP at Jefferies Financial Group]

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I think you just talked about caution optimism in hitting a twenty twenty five guide. Could you talk about what would take you to the lower end and then what could take you to the upside?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Well, Dushal, let me start and

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Bob, be feel free to to, you know, let's see how these this tariff, shakes out relative to putting some pressure on, you know, the future outlook for people buying equipment and buying trucks. You know, we've noticed and if you look at, the numbers coming in, I mean, there has been a lowered purchasing of heavy duty trucks in the first quarter. I guess I'm an optimist to Deshaun and believe that we're going to have more clarity on tariffs and that I think that the market will settle down and you'll see trucking companies begin to increase their purchases as sort of the underlying tariffs begin to get worked out over the course of the year. So that's number one and that'll impact, you know, future outlook, in terms of volume growth being contributed by the X15N, albeit most of that will end up in the very latter part of the year early, ending in 'twenty six as we've said. The other is 45Z, depending how that shakes out, that could end up being a more meaningful number.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

And then, on this legislation, it's too early to tell, but we'll know more here in the next few months on if there's some supportive incentives like the RNG Incentive Act. All of those would be significant contributors to us. We still have a very nice underlying relationship between oil and natural gas. That's been very constructive. That helps our underlying fuel business.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

That's contributing, but we have our eye on that oil price as well. And so I think for the most part, things can resolve themselves in an optimistic way, Deshaun, that makes us feel comfortable. Now, in the very macro market sense of what's happening with sustainability, what's happening with the effort to continue to be green from our customers, We saw this and heard this loud and clear from the ACT conference. Our customers still want to be green, but it has to make economic sense. And and frankly, with the framework of in the Biden administration of mandates and California mandates, many of which were pushing for battery electric or hydrogen, a lot of those things have have been, frankly, are in the process of being unwound.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

And and we believe that RNG is taking its rightful place as a common sense economic alternative fuel, and we'll end up being the main competitive fuel, alternative fuel, low carbon fuel versus renewable diesel and diesel fuel. And so that gives us great optimism, you know, we're in the shakeout phase of that, but our customers know it. Those people that went to the ACT conference know it. So that's kind of just showing how we see the remainder of the year working out.

[Dushyant Ailani, Senior VP at Jefferies Financial Group]

That's helpful, thank you. And then just one more, I guess, Bob and I know you guys talked about it where revenue was largely in line, you know, versus last year despite the loss of AFTC and also, you know, volume coming in a little lower. I think you touched on it briefly on pricing. How do we kind of think about that? I think that that was basically what supported 1Q as well.

[Dushyant Ailani, Senior VP at Jefferies Financial Group]

You had some strong pricing there. Could you talk about how that, you know, shakes out for the remainder of the year?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Bob, go ahead and take that one.

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

Yeah, think, Deshaun, I think it would, at least the way we see it is it would shake out kind of similarly the remaining quarters as we are assuming there's not some radical change in the underlying commodity of natural gas which can impact our revenues. But I think we see somewhat steady case going forward on that. So we won't have the AFTC but we still enjoy kind of a nice spread between oil and natural gas, so that's supportive. And we are seeing, we should continue to see good fleet volumes and our maintenance deals as we did in Q1. So I think that should mean that the revenue number will be kind of in line with where we were in Q1.

[Dushyant Ailani, Senior VP at Jefferies Financial Group]

Got it. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Eric Stine with Craig Hallum. Your line is open.

[Eric Stine, Senior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC]

Hi, Hi, Bob.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Hi.

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

Hey, Hey.

[Eric Stine, Senior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC]

So you mentioned ACT, and I was out there, obviously. One thing I heard kinda loud and clear, obviously, a lot of interest, excitement in the x 15 n, but arguably, it is behind schedule, versus what Cummins was expecting in others.

[Eric Stine, Senior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC]

And I was just hearing a lot about incremental cost. And I know that to this point, you've got PACCAR in the market and Freightliner just opened their order book. You know, curious your thoughts on on maybe the impact that that has, where incremental costs for the X 15 n or trucks with the X 15 n have been and what that trend looks like going forward?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Eric, you know, I wanna be careful to air all the dirty laundry room, my friends, on the on truck pricing, but I think I've said it before, which is that as those, early, trucks, the X15N were launched into the market latter part of last year, you know, we just it's no secret. The incremental price was just a bit too high. And by the time you move that from the engine cost and the, you know, and I think frankly, in line fuel system costs and then, you know, you put the OEM markup on it and the dealer markup on it, I think people got a tad bit carried away. You know, at one point, a very powerful dealer said, well, it's still half the price of the incremental cost of an electric truck. And I said, well, wait a minute, we don't compete with electric truck, we compete with a diesel truck.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

So we worked very hard with Cummins. We have a program with Cummins that was joined in by the fuel system folks. And frankly, and with our friends at PACCAR to reduce that from as much as $110,000 incremental price to something that's, you know, on the way toward $80,000 incremental price or so. What we found, Eric, that an incremental price at around 75,000 to $80,000 with an aggressive but doable fuel price, certainly for us with our network and our ability to supply RNG, you can get the total cost of ownership for the fleet where it needs to be. That is you can get a fleet somewhere around the two to two and a half year payback.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

And that's enough to start the discussion of get them to then put in for ordering. Now, there's some good news here. The Freightliner, as you mentioned, a product has come to market. They have a little bit lower price point overall. And I think competition is a good thing.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

So, that we have seen some initial orders go in for the Freightliner, that price is lower. So I think, we're on our way toward where we want to be. I think over time, it's clear that if we can get to something closer to 6,000 units a year, you can drive somewhere between 15% to 20% out of the fuel system cost too. So, we're at early stages, incremental has been a little high at the initial launch. It is coming down.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

And so I feel like it's headed in the right direction to get to where we need to be.

[Eric Stine, Senior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC]

Got it. Good color there. And maybe you just were talking about kind of the overall environment versus battery and I guess fuel cells way out in the realization. And obviously, the customers are saying that pretty loud and clear. But just curious, I mean, from a policy standpoint, I know in California, enamored with battery electric fuel cells, etcetera, and not really RNG in this current environment.

[Eric Stine, Senior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC]

Do you see a situation where, I mean, you could I guess, you you don't necessarily need to have a a benefit versus those, but at least on equal footing.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Well, you know, Eric, look. It's it's kinda tricky right now to go through all the bore everybody to tears. But, you know, the the California ACF, that is the fleet rules that they put in place, that is those are gone. Mhmm. And the the the the manufacturer side, which required manufacturers to you know, sell 10% batteries, that thing, know, as you probably well know, the congress voted to to clear those out, those policies, and the omnibus rule.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Now the senate hasn't taken up that CRA action yet. There's question whether or not they will, but I have a feeling that they might. There's some question of whether or not the parliamentarian would would fix that's, appropriate. But if there's no doubt we are working with CARB that their program is is a mess. And, and what's happening right now when people can't buy an electric or won't buy an electric, and there is no requirement anymore, they're buying diesel.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

They're buying older diesel vehicles. So CARB understands this is not that is not good. We are working with CARB and feel like it makes great sense that RNG should once again or should be a compliant fuel. And so it's not done yet. Those are discussions that are, that are underway.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

It's different from where, you know, in their crystal ball, in in their sort of theology where they wanted to be, but look, the electric doesn't get it. It might on light duty. It doesn't on the heavy duty. There isn't the electricity, the cost is too high, the experience is not right, and the customers weren't going to do it. And so it's been a fiasco, frankly.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

About 11 of the states that adopted the carb policies have all packed water on it. So I think that if you want clean air, 90% less NOx, and you want lower carbon, RNG will rise, you know, like, to the to the surface. And we're seeing that now. Those are the discussions that we're having with the policymakers, frankly, at the federal level as well as the state level.

[Eric Stine, Senior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC]

Okay. Thanks.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Yep.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Rob Brown with Lake Street Capital Markets. Your line is open.

[Rob Brown, Founding Partner & Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC]

Good afternoon. Wanted to dive in a little bit to RNG facilities, sort of where you're at in terms of getting those open and running and generating, kind of EBITDA. Could you just update us on the timeline there?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

One of them has been open a while, Rob, and it's producing pretty well, and we're steadily increasing the production. So we know there's hope, right? We know that through good operations you can increase them, get them closer, they're not quite there yet to nameplate. That's our Del Rio facility. The other five we have are a little bit behind that trajectory.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

We have one bad weather problem with one of them, but they're all now, you know, in production, albeit not quite to the levels that we want yet, but by the end of the year, we like to think that they're going to be 80% of where we thought they should kind of in that range. So they're making nice headway. We're making, you know, we're making some tinkering with our operators there and we like the way that's going. Two more should be, you know, sort of on production toward the end of this year late. And, we're making very nice headway at our South Fork, dairy that's in the Texas Panhandle and we're making good progress, though I don't know it'll be it'll be late in the year, but our big Idaho facility as well.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

And then, our relationship with Moss, as I mentioned in my remarks, those come on a little later, but they're, you know, Daryl Moss is a great operator, great developer and those projects are, you know, underway. So these projects still take a little longer than all of us would like. Certainly the pathway process is cumbersome and slow, though in a conversation with the chairwoman of CARB the other day, said help is on the way, that more staff are being brought in to deal with the backlog of pathways, so, you know, we like to think that that'll help us because some of these have just taken too long to certify the pathway, but it looks like some help's on the way. By the way, Rob, if I can use this to answer your question, one of the other things that from our first question on Deshaun, you know, we think you're going to be through the final stages of cleaning up the administrative problems that CARB had with the, you know, moving forward on their new program and think that should get done here by, late May. And so that would mean that you'll begin to move forward And that should work off over time, work off the credit oversupply that we see in California and that should lead later this year and early next year to a strengthening of the low carbon fuel credit pricing.

[Rob Brown, Founding Partner & Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC]

Okay. Great. Thank you for all the color there. And then and then as you think about the current environment and how, if at all, does that change your CapEx plans for for this year? Are you, potentially slowing that at all or are you just maintaining the plan as before?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

No, we're being cautious on the RNG side. We've said, we've looked at a lot of projects. We looked at some opportunities to perhaps purchase some RNG projects that are very close. We're being very careful with looking at that. And so, you know, I think it's, we kind of have, we have the projects that we're currently developing on RNG funded.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

We don't see any increases to that right now. We want to get the ones done that we have. We're in a nice position in that we have 90 or so on the way toward 100 with new contracts that aren't or we're not taking supply yet. We have 100 different suppliers of RNG, so we're in a unique position to have a lot of supply. We have a very nice relationship, a joint marketing relationship with BP, so we have a lot of supply that's available.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

We like our position on the six projects, you know, that we've got and the new ones that'll come on. On the station side, I could see that we might, not because we put the brakes on, that we might be a little bit lighter on CapEx just on, some of the projects tend to get permitted and this and that. It's my hope though that as you start seeing some of these really big fleets begin to look at taking, more x 15 ends and beginning to, you know, if you will, do what Amazon did and start asking us to, later this year, early next year, you're going to need some CapEx to build out stations. Of course, that's a very nice thing and a very good thing. We're very happy.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

We'll be very happy if we need to do that. But I would say for the year, Rob, it should come in about what we've said and maybe a bit lighter, a bit lighter, but not because we're worried about the future just because of kind of the way the things are we're wanting to be careful and be prudent, but just because of the way we've, you know, these things sometimes take a little longer to come online, than you might think.

[Rob Brown, Founding Partner & Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC]

Okay, great. Thank you. I'll turn it over.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Derrick Whitfield with Texas Capital. Your line is open.

[Derrick Whitfield, Managing Director at Texas Capital]

Good afternoon all and thanks for your time.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Hi, Derek.

[Derrick Whitfield, Managing Director at Texas Capital]

Andrew, I want I wanted to follow-up, Andrew, on your carp commentary just to make sure I'm clear on your understanding of how it's progressing. I mean, clearly, has been far from a straight line. But as you think about our bids today, do you think they're gonna have final policy in place by June? And do you know if they intend to retroactively apply that policy across the first half of twenty twenty five?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

You know, you're right. It's not really a straight line and I've kind of been wrong on timing a little bit, you know, because it's hard to predict what's going on. I'm told and we think and CARB staff believes that it should be, that it should be done by June 1, and that it should, therefore it'll be retroactive. Now, you know, if it doesn't make the June 1, then there's a question whether or not that they can. So but but in conversations with senior members of CARB, we've been told that they think that, it should.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

And it looks like through the comment period that I think already came and went, on the OPL issue. I think, you know, fingers crossed, looks like that's kind of headed in the right direction.

[Derrick Whitfield, Managing Director at Texas Capital]

Alright, so fingers crossed there. Maybe staying with you on the policy front. I'd love to get a bill for the support you're hearing from your discussions in DC. Maybe beginning with the RINs, We've heard throughout earnings there's been a constructive dialogue between ag and the refining sector on the future of biofuels policy. And while I've heard this could lead to a 5,250,000,000.00 gallon RVO for bio based diesels in 2026, we haven't heard that much in the cellulosic category.

[Derrick Whitfield, Managing Director at Texas Capital]

So setting aside the exemption commentary from last November, do you guys have a view on where the EPA may land on the RVO for the cellulosic category?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

The quick answer is no, we don't. And, it wouldn't be right to say that we're having you know, in-depth engagement, we are engaging as an industry, We have had participated in some meetings on that. I feel like the administration understands the balance here, understands what's necessary to have a vibrant RFS program, but yet they're pulled in several directions. But, you know, one of the things I think is constructive is that the Trump administration seems to understand that we are a biofuel, that RNG cellulosic is from the farm and it is not just be overly political, but it is a red state fuel and it is a biofuel. So, you know, there's a lot of things we're weighing here, but I we we feel like they'll be constructive, but, you know, I that's just about as far as as we can go.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

We haven't heard any numbers on that. I haven't, anyway.

[Derrick Whitfield, Managing Director at Texas Capital]

Perfect. I'll leave it there. Thanks for your time.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

You bet.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Matthew Blair with TPH. Your line is open.

[Matthew Blair, Managing Director at TPH&Co]

Great. Thank you and good afternoon. I was hoping to dig in a little bit more on the strong results in the first quarter. Your RNG volumes came in lower than our modeling and your written revenue was also lower. And maybe those two things are connected.

[Matthew Blair, Managing Director at TPH&Co]

But what would you attribute the strong results to? Seasonally Q1 can also be a little soft and now there's tough weather in certain parts of the country. So was this just better core fueling margins due to a healthy oil to gas spread or what really pushed things up and, you know, was there anything that was pulled forward into Q1 that really should have been part of Q2? Thank you.

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

Yeah. Go on that one. Matthew, yeah, no, I think you kind of hit it there. Just the kind of core and effectively just what our effective pricing and from our stations is what was driving that. The lower RIN was connected to the supply and the lower volumes there but we had actually a pretty strong showing of low carbon fuel going into California so the LCFS actually did probably better than expected there because that pricing remained under where we had pegged it ultimately to pan out for the year.

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

So it is the, your kinda underlying base business fueling and we're seeing, it's kinda the effect that we've talked about before too with this is that we get a gradual incremental increase, incremental flow of volume just because as fleets bring on trucks during the year, then we either, it's all additive. And so that's just kinda progressing through. Pricing remained good, the spread was good and you know, we're we're opportunistic with with, you know, our basically how we source, you know, we're we're good at sourcing cheap natural gas, which is feedstock into this too. So all of that combined, we're big players. But we've got some leverage there on all that front.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

You know, one other thing, Bob, that I would add is, you know, trucking is good, right? The Amazon stations are open and running well and trucking volumes looking pretty good. So that all contributed, but the underlying field business was strong.

[Matthew Blair, Managing Director at TPH&Co]

Do you think is part of it due to a tightening dispensing market? We're hearing from upstream RNG players that it's increasingly tough to place their volumes in the transportation market. The dispensing side is getting tighter and tighter and the rates are going up. Is that playing a role as well?

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

Starting to.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Yep. Starting. We're seeing that. We're we're Go ahead, No. No. I was just gonna say it it

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

yeah. We are seeing that. I'm not gonna say wholesale that but yeah, we're certainly in a good kinda negotiating position there. The nozzle tips are valuable.

[Rob Brown, Founding Partner & Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC]

Great. Thanks for your comments. Thank

[Operator]

you. Our next question comes from Sonia Yan with UBS. Your line is open.

[Saumya Jain, Equity Research Associate at UBS Group]

Hi. Do you guys see any volumes from the transportation sector, maybe going towards power generation or any update on the data center front? How are you guys looking at that going forward?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

You know, let me, start. You know, I think my number is right. You know, 80% of the RNG goes into transportation, and it's the best market. That's what Matthew was getting at is that, you know, it's tight, supply wants to find its way to transportation is why we're in an enviable position at the nozzle tip. You know, of course, some RNG will make its way into power gen.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

We have not heard of any significant that I'm aware of, though I thought it would be eventually, I imagine that RNG would be such a beautiful and relatively effective and easy way to decarbonize AI power generation, right? When I started hearing that we're going to open up Three Mile Island and build nuclear power plants, I thought to myself, my God, we got to have a better solution than that. So I don't want to say it'll never go into those markets because I'm a believer in that it ought to go and should go into the market where it's the hard decarbonized market, which is the heavy duty trucking sector, which is, remember 40,000,000,000 gallons of fuel is used in that sector. And this is where RNG should go. And so, still it's about 80%.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

We hear of different things. I think some of the regulatory and some of the Washington and regulatory push to force utilities to use renewable sources and some of what we saw over the last couple of years. My guess is some of that will take a breather and I think it'll make transportation that much more important.

[Saumya Jain, Equity Research Associate at UBS Group]

Got it. Thanks. And then could you give some updates on your partnerships with Total, BP, Chevron? How are they progressing? Or what's the outlook on those types of oil companies?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

You know, Total is still our largest shareholder. They're our partner in the our first RNG project. We have a very robust and ongoing and deep relationship with BP. We call it a total marketing agreement where we mark where we work together on RNG hand and glove. When when those Arkea volumes were if they were to go to transportation, we'd be involved with them on that.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

So we're very excited about the future of that. So we continue to work with BP's RNG partner on those development projects, the other five and the other two that I talked about at length are the one in Idaho and South Fork and one in Texas. So we're very have a deep relationship, with them. Chevron, because the, electric truck push, hydrogen truck push, reality sinking in, we're starting to see a renewed interest in our, California RNG Chevron program, that, you know, has fielded upwards of three fifty trucks and put on the road funded and put on the road to fuel with RNG. So we've always liked that program with Chevron and we continue to work with them.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

So that's kind of the status of those three relationships, partnerships.

[Saumya Jain, Equity Research Associate at UBS Group]

Got it. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Craig Shear with Tuohy Brothers. Your line is open.

[Craig Shere, Director of Research at Tuohy Brothers Investment Research Inc]

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

You bet.

[Craig Shere, Director of Research at Tuohy Brothers Investment Research Inc]

So I'm sorry, did you specify anywhere exactly how much 45z was in the quarter?

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

It was a no. We didn't. It was it was not it was really not material, if you will. So we didn't specify it.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Okay.

[Craig Shere, Director of Research at Tuohy Brothers Investment Research Inc]

So, I mean, as far as what that could be after that gets finalized, I mean, could you see that competing with, say, LCFS run rates that you've been seeing as far as quarterly contributions?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Mean, Craig, it's all in the detail there, right? I mean, you you remember the heady days of saying that on a with a with an active correct greet model with a minus 335. You remember our friend said that it could be worth $7 a gallon and, you know, you run all that out, sure, it would be a very strong contributor. Those discussions are underway. Just what how will that be measured?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

What if the Congress chooses to keep 45Z in, will they use a GREET model? Will they specify different CI scores for different various types of manure? And just where does that come down? Does it end up being where it is today at $0.90 or $1 or less the energy? Do you get some credit for having a low carbon RNG in which case it would be more meaningful, 2 or $34 or does it go way up the scale?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

So it kind of depends on where that comes out and look, you've got sort of parallel tracks working. Right? You have a final rule that the a new treasury department's working on. I talked on this very subject matter where about a Greek model and how it was corrupted by the Biden administration. Right.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

I mean, that it's it's really it's really a shame that you take science and you made it political, and you put a a bogus Greek model in that final temporary rule five days before the, you know, the inauguration, and that was what we're that's what we're trying to down the industry is trying to deal with. And just what does congress wanna do and what does it cost? So those are all you know, it's it's wild. It's sort of wild on how that's all gonna shake out. I think there's a a body of the congress that understands 45 z and wants it in.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

They're trying to wrestle with just how they fix it and should they fix it. What does that mean to the ethanol guys and the biofuel guys and what does it mean to the RNG methane guys like us. So that's what's being dealt with, but if anybody were to tell you, today, you know, that they know exactly how that's going to pan out, it's not quite right. Though I feel like, if I was a betting person, I'm thinking that there probably will be a 45Z and that it is probably likely to be better than where it sits right at this moment.

[Craig Shere, Director of Research at Tuohy Brothers Investment Research Inc]

Gotcha. And on Rob's question for the upstream, do you have a timeline to get to systemically positive upstream numbers EBITDA there? I know you had one facility, a large facility that you were expensing the development of. So when that comes on, it should flip pretty quick, right?

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

I don't know if it would flip pretty quick, but certainly the projects that we have one that's been operating for a while, contribute EBITDA. It is the other five will next year, but then you've got two big projects coming online, kind of right at the beginning of the year that are gonna go through kind of that OpEx. So individually, dairies are gonna contribute to EBITDA and many of them will in '26, absolutely. Whether that's going to net to an overall positive as we do our guidance and we kinda have our upstream and our distribution, That we'll have to see how that pencils out once we have them all operating just because we have some, we have a 37,000 cal dairy that's gonna come online as you know. So but they'll get to, I mean at least what we're seeing is there with the appropriate yield on the manure and the CI, the methane content, they get there.

[Craig Shere, Director of Research at Tuohy Brothers Investment Research Inc]

Just to be on the safe side, given what you said, it sounds like second half next year, we should certainly be there.

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

Yes on certain farms, on certain dairies. And then whether that can overtake. What I'm looking at is do you get a net positive number from the upstream EBITDA when we give our guidance. And that one, we're gonna need time to sort that out. But within that number, there absolutely will be positive dairies contributing EBITDA.

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

But as we bring on other, you know, we got the Darryl Moss one. So there's a little bit of, you know, certain dairies are gonna go EBITDA positive for sure. The one of them already is and yeah. But the other ones are gonna come on and whether they're gonna kinda, you know, overtake the positive side, we don't know.

[Craig Shere, Director of Research at Tuohy Brothers Investment Research Inc]

All right, and last kind of big picture one for me. Trump administration wants to kind of streamline as much LNG exports as possible. Obviously, that's a real easy way to right size trade deficits. And at the same time, it seems it wants to flood the world with as much oil as possible from producers and some of our friends around the world. So obviously, in terms of spreads, in terms of the fuel advantage, if that holds true, so if we have four or four fifty Henry Hub and we have $50 Brent, I'm not saying it's gonna happen for sure, but if those are the concerns and we're not sure, are you hearing any fleet customers express concern, we just don't know what the end of the decade looks like on the fuel advantage and these trends and maybe we just wait a bit longer?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

No, we're not hearing that. And my view on that, and I've been right on this and I have to be, look, it's hard to tell, I completely agree with you on oil. I mean, I think you're you're gonna have you you you will have. I mean, look, the president's going to Saudi Arabia. We've seen this act before and they're they're increasing production, OPEC is, and so, you know, it's gonna put downward pressure on world oil price.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

And yet our producers have been through this before and so don't count on them to drill baby drill in the face of $53 oil or $49 on the way to $48 oil, right? So they get it, they got burned once before on that. So they're going to be careful. So I think, you know, could you see a a moment when you have a lower oil price? I think so.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

On the other hand, I've long believed that there's just been two this natural gas price has been too high. You know, we the world the The United States is just knee deep in in natural gas, and and you know this because you follow closely. The r and the LNG is not moving as quickly. It will. They do wanna push a lot out, but, you know, $4.50 gas was too high.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

And sure enough, you saw it come down to $3.50 and $3. And so I think you're going to have a spread that won't be on the highest end that we've seen, but will still be constructive for us and still able to allow us to price our fuel. You know, today, Greg, we can price our fuel and make a nice margin and and undershoot West Coast Diesel by $2 a gallon. Now that'll get that will get challenging, but you'll still have an opportunity to, to be in the dollar 25 to dollar 50 range, cheaper than diesel fuel. Almost no matter where you operate, in the in the where you're buying diesel in The United States.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

So, you know, we've long and I've been giving this speech for twenty years. That's what's different about our fuel versus some of the others is that we have an inherent advantage on the on the commodity pricing relative to oil on our fuel. And I still feel like that's going to be good for us. Though I don't disagree with you that you might see a, you you may get the market may overplay the oil on the downside here in a minute, but I don't believe that the gas is going to be, you're not going to have $4.5 gas and $40 oil. I don't think that's in the cards.

[Craig Shere, Director of Research at Tuohy Brothers Investment Research Inc]

Thank you very If

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

you did, it would be more of a spike situation, not a longer term.

[Craig Shere, Director of Research at Tuohy Brothers Investment Research Inc]

Understood. Thank you.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Okay.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Betty Zhang with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

[Betty Zhang, Associate Director - Equity Research at Scotiabank]

Thanks. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. My first one is on M and A. Just curious how you're thinking about M and A these days, whether there are any opportunities or if you are more so looking to build out organically?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

No. I think, Betty, we're looking we're being very careful. And and I think for good reason. Right? We're trying to be careful with our capital.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

We like our current position. We believe we're getting it well, we are getting a chance to look at projects that where maybe private equity or some others have tired of projects that are nearly complete or about to be complete. I think given that these projects take a little longer than one would like on the greenfield nature of them, that that is what has us. We're more interested in those kind of projects than putting our precious capital right at this moment, given what we know right today, you know, in the greenfield projects. Now, having said that, we've looked at them and there's, you know, perhaps there still needs to be a little bit more market therapy before some of those make sense.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

But we get, we're in a nice position in that we get to look at a lot of projects and we have a team that's smarter looking at them. So, we continue to look at whether or not there are some projects that would be finished that we could add in. But we haven't we haven't really found those that make sense yet.

[Betty Zhang, Associate Director - Equity Research at Scotiabank]

That's helpful. Thank you. And I wanted to ask, so for the first quarter, obviously, were a bit lower than we expected, and you guys had talked about that. But I'm curious for the full year 2025, the $246,000,000 target, is that still achievable? How are thinking about that?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Betty, the way I look at that is we'll be close to that, right? I mean, financially, even if we're a bit shy of the $2.46, we'll close on that number. We may not get there, but we'll be in the range, but financially we'll be, I think we'll end up probably being even better than, you know, then hitting the $2.46 because we're liking the way that's shaping up. So the next part of the year, we'll close, You know, whether or we get exactly there, hard to tell at this moment, but we'll we'll get within very close range of it.

[Betty Zhang, Associate Director - Equity Research at Scotiabank]

Great. Thanks very much.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jason Gabelman with TD Cowen. Your line is open.

[Jason Gabelman, Analyst at TD Cowen]

Yes. Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I know you said you started repurchasing stock again and I'm just wondering as you think about capital allocation, how you're determining funds to go towards the buyback. Is it more organic cash flow? Is it using cash from the balance sheet? And how comfortable are you with or I should say, where are you comfortable taking the cash balance to support the buyback?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Yes, I'll let Bob kind of get into the maybe the detail, he has some thoughts on this. I mean, we believe our stock is really undervalued and we wanted to put some capital to use to support the stock and believe it's a good buy. And so that's why we've done it and probably will continue to do it at these levels. But we're being prudent about it. Bob, do you wanna give a little more color on

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

Yeah, I mean, Jason, we're basically just kind of, we reinstated a program that we already had in place. So it's not just an unlimited and real subjective of how far do you go. I mean, we had about $26,000,000 available from a prior approval that we got from the board and everyone and we just put that back in place. And so we'll see how far we go within that perimeter, if you will. So there is a little bit of maybe a cap that you would say before we would have to get some other approvals.

[Robert Vreeland, CFO at Clean Energy Fuels]

So it's a bit programmatically done, okay, in terms of how we get in when we get in and how that's done. Have blackout periods, all that stuff you gotta kinda orchestrate around.

[Jason Gabelman, Analyst at TD Cowen]

Got it. And my other question is, I think you mentioned you're in DC kind of supporting another bill that supports RNG. Can you just remind us what that bill exactly entails?

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Yeah. That bill is called the RNG Incentive Act, was introduced in both houses of the senate. It was the one that we started a couple years ago. You got you know, every time you have a new congress, you have to reintroduce a bill from the previous congress. So that's the incentive act.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

It was introduced by Brian Fitzpatrick and Sanchez and, Tom Tillis in the senate and senator Mark Warner. That's a dollar a gallon at the nozzle tip RNG.

[Jason Gabelman, Analyst at TD Cowen]

Got it. Thanks.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

I I I I sort of see it as a modern day reup of the AFTC.

[Jason Gabelman, Analyst at TD Cowen]

Mhmm.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

And, you know, let's let's let's be honest. You know, they're looking to take stuff out right now, and they're adding a lot of stuff in. And, they they there will be incentives put in this bill. But, you know, this is a pretty wild time up here, and and so it's it's, you know, it's it's nothing easy about this, but I like the fact that we have a bipartisan bill. I think it can be cost effective.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

And, you know, one of the the strengths of it is is really is a economic it it it is it's economic development. It helps in rural Americas. It helps the farmer. And because it's it's it's the RNG, so it's, we're we're seeing we're seeing some interest. Let's put it let's leave it there.

[Jason Gabelman, Analyst at TD Cowen]

Understood. Thanks.

[Operator]

Thank you. It appears we have no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the program back over to Andrew Littlefair for any additional or closing remarks.

[Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director at Clean Energy Fuels]

Good. Well, thank you, operator, and thank you everyone for joining the call today. We look forward to, filling you in, next quarter on how we're doing. Thank you. Good day.

[Operator]

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does conclude today's event. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Robert Vreeland, CFO
• Andrew Littlefair, Co-Founder, President, CEO & Director

Analysts

• Dushyant Ailani, Senior VP at Jefferies Financial Group
• Eric Stine, Senior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC
• Rob Brown, Founding Partner & Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC
• Derrick Whitfield, Managing Director at Texas Capital
• Matthew Blair, Managing Director at TPH&Co
• Saumya Jain, Equity Research Associate at UBS Group
• Craig Shere, Director of Research at Tuohy Brothers Investment Research Inc
• Betty Zhang, Associate Director - Equity Research at Scotiabank
• Jason Gabelman, Analyst at TD Cowen