NASDAQ:LSTA Lisata Therapeutics Q1 2025 Earnings Report $2.64 +0.13 (+5.18%) Closing price 05/23/2025 03:58 PM EasternExtended Trading$2.64 0.00 (0.00%) As of 05/23/2025 06:07 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Lisata Therapeutics EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.55Consensus EPS -$0.53Beat/MissMissed by -$0.02One Year Ago EPSN/ALisata Therapeutics Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ALisata Therapeutics Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date5/8/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, May 8, 2025Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsLisata Therapeutics' Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, August 11, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 4:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Lisata Therapeutics Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 8, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to the Losada Therapeutics First Quarter twenty twenty five Financial Results and Business Update Conference Call. Currently, participants are in listen only mode. Following management's prepared remarks, we will hold a Q and A session. As a reminder, this call is being recorded today, Thursday, 05/08/2025. I will now turn the call over to John Mendito, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications at LoSATA. Operator00:00:34Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:00:36Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to LoSATA's first Quarter twenty twenty five Conference Call to discuss our financial results and to provide a business update. Joining me today from our management team are Doctor. David Mazzo, President and Chief Executive Officer Doctor. Kristen Buck, Executive Vice President of Research and Development and Chief Medical Officer and James Nisko, Senior Vice President of Finance and Treasury and Chief Accounting Officer. Speaker 100:01:02Shortly before this call, we issued a press release announcing our first quarter twenty twenty five financial results available under the Investors and News section of the company website, along with a webcast replay of this call. If you have not received this news release or you'd like to be added to the company's e mail distribution list, please subscribe to the e mail alerts on the company website or e mail me at jmendidolosada to be added to the list. Before we begin, I remind you that comments made by management during this conference call will contain forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties regarding the operations and future results of Losada. I encourage you to review the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including, without limitation, its Forms 10 Q, eight ks and 10 ks, which identify specific risk factors that may cause actual results or events to differ materially from those described in the forward looking statements. Furthermore, the content of this conference call contains time sensitive information that is accurate only as of the date of this live broadcast, Thursday, 05/08/2025. Speaker 100:02:07Losada Therapeutics undertakes no obligation to revise or update any statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of this conference call. With that, I will now turn the call over to Doctor. Mazzo. Dave? Speaker 200:02:20Thank you, John. Good afternoon, everyone. It's a pleasure to be here again to provide an overview of Losada's recent business highlights, discuss our first quarter twenty twenty five financial results and give an update on the progress of our development programs. Building on an eventful 2024, we've maintained strong momentum into 2025 despite persistent market headwinds for small cap health care companies. We continue to make significant progress advancing our clinical development portfolio for our novel product candidate, cerdepatide, targeting solid tumors and other difficult to treat diseases. Speaker 200:02:55The ongoing accumulation of both preclinical data and especially clinical data supports our belief that cerdepatide has the potential to become a cornerstone of a revised standard of care treatment regimen for advanced solid tumors of many types. We were particularly encouraged by the preliminary results from both Cohort A of the ASCEND trial and the EYLISTRA trial data presented at the twenty twenty five ASCO GI symposium in January. These data reinforced both sotepatide's potential and our overall development strategy. We anticipate that the next twelve to eighteen months will be data rich for LUSADA with several key milestones on the horizon. We will continue to share our progress and key findings as they become available. Speaker 200:03:40Following the review of our financial results, Doctor. Kristin Buck, our Chief Medical Officer and Head of Research and Development, will provide an update on our ongoing and planned clinical and preclinical programs, including time lines and key objectives. And with that, I will now turn the call over to James Misko, our Senior Vice President of Finance and Treasury and Chief Accounting Officer. James? Speaker 300:04:03Thanks, Dave. Good afternoon all. I'm pleased to join you today to present a summary of our first quarter twenty twenty five financial results. Starting with operating expenses. For the three months ended 03/31/2025, operating expenses totaled $5,800,000 compared to 6,600,000 for the three months ended 03/31/2024, representing a decrease of $800,000 or 11.4%. Speaker 300:04:36Research and development expenses were approximately $2,600,000 for the three months ended 03/31/2025, compared to $3,200,000 for the three months ended 03/31/2024, representing a decrease of $600,000 or 19.7%. This was primarily due to a reduction in clinical research organization expenses and site expenses associated with our Phase IIa proof of concept bolster trial and lower spend on chemistry, manufacturing and controls. General and administrative expenses were approximately $3,200,000 for the three months ended 03/31/2025 compared to $3,400,000 for the three months ended 03/31/2024, representing a decrease of approximately $100,000 or 3.4%. This was primarily due to one off settlement costs in the prior year, partially offset by an increase in consulting expenses and severance costs in the current year. Overall, net losses were $4,700,000 for the three months ended 03/31/2025, compared to $5,400,000 for the three months ended 03/31/2024. Speaker 300:06:05It is noteworthy that we continue to make progress according to our plans for our R and D and business activities while continuing our legacy of prudent capital management and expense minimization. Turning now to our balance sheet and cash flow. As of 03/31/2025, Lesata had cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities of approximately $25,800,000 Based on its existing and planned activities, the company believes available funds will support current operations into the third quarter of twenty twenty six. With that, I will now turn the call over to Doctor. Kristin Buck to provide an overview of the company's development programs. Speaker 300:06:52Kristen? Speaker 400:06:54Thank you, James, and good afternoon, everyone. It's a pleasure to be here today to present an update on our clinical development portfolio, including near term catalysts. As mentioned on previous quarterly calls, LASADA is focused on the development of its proprietary cyclic peptide product candidate, certepatide, for the treatment of advanced solid tumors and other difficult to treat diseases. Certipatide is an investigational drug designed to activate a novel uptake pathway that allows co administered or tethered anticancer drugs to selectively target and penetrate solid tumors more effectively. In addition, certepatide has been shown to modify the tumor microenvironment, making it less immunosuppressive and therefore increasing the tumor susceptibility to immunotherapy and our own body's immune system, while also inhibiting the metastatic cascade. Speaker 400:07:50If you'd like more information regarding certepatide's mechanism of action, we encourage you to visit our website where you'll find an animated video and relevant slides within our corporate presentation. On the regulatory front, Certified has secured multiple special designations from both the FDA and EMA, all of which are also listed on our website and in the corporate presentation for your easy reference. Now for an update on our individual development programs. The ASCEND trial is a 158 patient, double blind, randomized, placebo controlled clinical trial, evaluating cirtepatide in combination with standard of care gemcitabine and nab paclitaxel chemotherapy in patients with metastatic pancreatic ductal adenocarcinoma or MPDAC. The trial is being conducted at 25 sites in Australia and New Zealand, sponsored by the Australasian Gastrointestinal Clinical Trials Group or AGITG, in collaboration with the National Health and Medical Research Council Clinical Trial Centre at the University of Sydney. Speaker 400:09:00As mentioned on prior calls, the ASCEND trial is an investigator initiated trial that LASADA inherited upon our acquisition of SEND Therapeutics. The original trial was designed with more of an academic nature rather than one with commercial objectives as was statistically powered based on a six month progression free survival primary endpoint. After the acquisition, LASADA collaborated with the AGITG to modify the trial to ensure it provided clinical outcomes that would best support the next steps in development of cerdepatide from a regulatory perspective. As such, the ASCEND trial protocol was amended to include another cohort of patients or cohort B, not statistically powered to evaluate an additional cerdepatide dosing regimen. The ASCEND protocol was also amended to capture overall survival outcomes for both cohort A and cohort B, as overall survival is considered by regulatory authorities to be the gold standard endpoint in pancreatic cancer trials. Speaker 400:10:11Since the ASCEND protocol was amended following trial initiation, data from cohort B are delayed compared to cohort A data by several months. Cohort A with ninety five patients receiving a single intravenous dose of cerdafatide or placebo in combination with standard of care completed enrollment in the third quarter of twenty twenty three. As announced in January of this year, preliminary cohort A data was presented at the twenty twenty five ASCO GI Symposium, which showed a positive trend in overall survival, including four complete responses in the certepatide treated group compared to none in the placebo treated group. Preliminary data from cohort B with sixty three patients receiving two intravenous doses of certepatide or placebo administered four hours apart in combination with standard of care, has been accepted for presentation at the twenty twenty five ESMO Gastrointestinal Cancer Congress to be held during the July. Final analysis of both cohorts is planned to be available thereafter. Speaker 400:11:25The BOLTAR trial is our Phase IIa double blind placebo controlled multicenter randomized trial in The United States evaluating cerdepatide in combination with standard of care in first and second line cholangiocarcinoma. Enrollment was completed in first line cholangiocarcinoma nearly six months ahead of plan, accelerating anticipated top line data readout to mid-twenty twenty five. Based on encouragement from multiple investigators involved in the trial, a second cohort was added evaluating cirtepatide in subjects in second line cholangiocarcinoma on top of standard of care. Although originally planned to recruit 40 patients, we recently took the decision to cap enrollment in this new arm at approximately 20 patients to allow for quicker data analysis and more efficient use of our capital. SENDEFOX is a Phase 1b2a open label trial in The United States, evaluating certepatide in combination with neoadjuvant fulciranox based therapies in pancreatic, colon and appendiceal cancers. Speaker 400:12:33In December 2024, the company announced enrollment completion in all three cohorts. The single center study being conducted at the University of Kansas Cancer Center was designed with a three cycle run-in period to ensure patients met specific criteria before receiving treatment. Of the sixty six patients enrolled, fifty met these criteria and were treated with certepatide across the three cohorts, including twenty four with resectable or borderline resectable pancreatic cancer, fifteen with high grade colon or appendiceal cancer and peritoneal metastases, and eleven patients with oligometastatic colon cancer. We are eagerly awaiting data from this investigator initiated study and will share key findings when available. Qilu Pharmaceutical, the licensee of sertepatide in the Greater China territory, is running a parallel development program for sertepatide in combination with gemcitabine and NAM paclitaxel as a treatment for MPDAC. Speaker 400:13:40Chile recently reported that they completed enrollment in the study of 96 subjects. According to guidance from Chile, data are expected in the next twelve to eighteen months with a Phase III study planned to start thereafter. Based on the terms of the license, Chile will be obligated to pay LASADA a $10,000,000 milestone upon dosing of the first patient in their Phase III study. In collaboration with AstraZeneca in Australia and the funding sponsor of the I LISTA trial, WARP-nine, we are evaluating certepatide in a Phase 1b2a randomized placebo controlled three arm single blind single center safety early efficacy and pharmacodynamic trial. The I LISTA trial is being conducted in Australia combining certepatide with the checkpoint inhibitor durvalumab plus standard of care gemcitabine and nab paclitaxel chemotherapy versus certepatide in combination with standard of care that is no durvalumab versus standard of care alone in patients with locally advanced nonresectable pancreatic cancer. Speaker 400:14:52Promising preliminary results from the first seventeen of thirty patients enrolled in the I LISTA trial were presented at the twenty twenty five ASCO GI Symposium. This interim analysis suggests that certepatide, in combination with standard of care chemotherapy and immunotherapy, improves treatment outcomes for this patient population, while also provoking an increase in tumor infiltrating lymphocytes in subjects with RECIST response. With more than ninety percent of patients enrolled, we remain confident that enrollment will be completed in the next two months. A study of certepatide in combination with pimozolomide in patients with glioblastoma multiforme, or GBM, has been initiated with several patients already enrolled and treated. This study is designed as a Phase 2a double blind placebo controlled randomized proof of concept study evaluating certepatide when added to standard of care temozolomide versus temozolomide alone and a matching certepatide placebo in subjects with newly diagnosed glioblastoma multiforme. Speaker 400:16:04This actively enrolling study is being conducted across multiple sites in Estonia and Latvia and is planned to also include a site in Lithuania. The study is targeted to enroll 30 patients with a randomization of two:one, certepatide plus standard of care versus placebo plus standard of care. Enrollment completion is now expected in 2026. FORTIFYDE is a conceptual Phase 1b2a double blind placebo controlled three arm randomized study evaluating the safety, tolerability and efficacy of a four hour continuous infusion of cerdepatide in combination with standard of care in patients with first line pancreatic cancer. As part of the study, LASADA has engaged Haystack Oncology to use its MRD technology to measure circulating tumor DNA levels at multiple time points in patients through the study as an exploratory endpoint for analyzing the early therapeutic of cerdepatide. Speaker 400:17:03Initiation of the study remains on hold as the company is investigating a potentially faster and more cost effective alternative to achieving the study's objective. Additionally, LASADA has recently established several collaborations across oncology and other therapeutic areas to explore new strategic development opportunities for cerdepatide. These include a partnership with Valo Therapeutics to investigate the benefits of combining cerdepatide with Velo Therapeutics Peptocrad, a customizable oncolytic adenovirus platform technology and a checkpoint inhibitor in a preclinical murine model for the treatment of melanoma. Initial results from this collaboration are expected by early summer. Following results from an earlier preclinical study, Losartan entered into a global license agreement with CUBA Labs to explore the synergistic potential of cerdepatide as a targeting and delivery agent for Kuva's NanoMARC imaging technology in solid tumors. Speaker 400:18:13Kuva has communicated that it intends on commencing its imaging study in the first half of this year with results anticipated in early twenty twenty six. LASADA will provision certepatide to Cuba for its clinical study via a clinical supply agreement. And recently announced, LASADA has entered into a research license with Catalent to evaluate in a preclinical setting the efficacy of Certipatide as a payload on Catalent's SmartTag antibody drug conjugate dual payload technology platform for the treatment of difficult to treat diseases, including advanced solid tumors. Under the terms of the agreement, Catalent will assume full responsibility for all research and development expenses, and Lisada will provide consulting support. Beyond the clinical studies I've outlined, we are actively exploring additional opportunities to advance our development strategy, including progressing cirtepatide in combination with gemcitabine and nab paclitaxel into a global Phase III trial for the treatment of pancreatic cancer. Speaker 400:19:22However, we remain focused on only initiating trials that can be funded through data with existing or guaranteed capital and that can be executed within a reasonable period of time. As a reminder, several of the clinical trials I mentioned earlier are investigator initiated trials, and as such, LASADA has limited control over study timelines and expectations may change or may be subject to change. That said, we are grateful to the investigators and especially to the patients participating in cerdepatide clinical trials around the world. For detailed information on each trial, please refer to the appendix of our corporate presentation on our website. The presentation also includes two slides illustrating the anticipated timelines and execution of key milestones and data readouts. Speaker 400:20:07Doctor. Manzo highlighted, we anticipate a data rich 2025 and look forward to sharing these results. And with that, I will now turn the call back to Dave. Speaker 200:20:17Thanks, Kristen. Based on the excellence of execution of our LASADA team, we have started 2025 with another important collaboration and are poised to report data for many of our studies throughout the year. We and our partners firmly believe that tirteplatide holds transformative potential for patients and significant long term value for our respective shareholders, and we look forward to reporting on the progress toward realization of that potential on future calls. With that overview, operator, we're now ready to take questions. Operator00:21:08Our first question comes from the line of Joe Pantginis of H. C. Wainwright. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:21:16Hi, good afternoon. This is Sarah on for Joe. Thanks for taking the question. My question is regarding the bolster study, specifically the second line cholangiocarcinoma cohort. Now that target enrollment, as you mentioned, is capped at about half of what you had initially targeted. Speaker 500:21:34Just wondering if you could maybe provide some more color on whether this might impact the regulatory path forward or maybe the kind of data that you need to show to move forward? Thanks. Speaker 200:21:46Hey, Sarah. Thank you for that question. As Kristin described, the BOLTAR trial is a Phase IIa proof of concept trial. It's not powered to any specific endpoint. And therefore, the number of patients that are enrolled is really a number that we choose that we believe will be indicative of trends. Speaker 200:22:10And so what we're really looking for in both the first line and second line cholangiocarcinoma study within bolster is whether or not we're seeing any therapeutic effect of cerdepatide on the standard of care and on patient outcomes. And with 20 patients, also with a control in both arms, we'll be able to make those determinations, I think, with the same level of confidence that we would have with 40 patients in the second line. But we really thought it was important to be able to get to data in both of those arms as soon as possible. And so by curtailing enrollment earlier, we'll be able to get to final outcomes data for both arms faster, and we think that that's important. Then, of course, in these financial times, which are a bit challenging, saving some money on enrollment, approximately half that study does not go without its benefits. Speaker 500:23:06Okay. That's helpful. Thanks. Operator00:23:08One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Kemp Dolliver of Brookline Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:23:21Great. Thank you. With regard to the ASCEND presentation and the timing, how deep will you be able to go in the data? I mean, you certainly would have top line data and highlights of the supporting data, but how far along will you be in the data analysis such that the audience will have a good and strong impression of data or walk away with a lot of questions because there a lot of additional pieces to the puzzle? Speaker 200:24:04Ken. Thanks very much for joining and for that question. So basically, the plan of action for the reporting of ASCEND data, which is formulated by the sponsor of the study, which is the AGITG, is as follows. So the first part everybody knows, the cohort A data we call it preliminary data because basically they simply reported on the major endpoints, but there's still some sub analyses that needed to go on. Those data were presented at ASCO GI in January. Speaker 200:24:35The cohort B data, which will be of the same level of detail as the cohort A data was back in January, meaning essentially definitive data on the major endpoints, overall survival, PFS, etcetera, will be reported in the July at ESMO GI. And what would remain would be a combination of the cohort A and B data, some statistical analyses to determine whether or not, A, first of all, you can combine the data either from both therapeutic arms or the placebo or individually, and then the results of that. That's an interesting study. And if we are able to combine the therapy arms, that will increase the power of the study a little bit. But really, the main answers will be, I would say, interpretable after the July ESMO GI presentations, because at that point, you'll have the main results from both cohort A and cohort B. Speaker 600:25:40Fabulous. Thank you. And just want to clarify the discussion around Chelu because the press release says the data Phase II data are expected near in the near future. And, you know, we've you've talked in the past about it taking twelve to eighteen months to get the data after they've completed enrollment. And my recollection is that it hasn't been twelve to eighteen months since they completed enrollment of the trial. Speaker 200:26:13That's right, Kemp. So some of this is semantic, but I'll preface everything that I'm about to say with the caveat that we have no control over the timelines that Chilu announces or actually follows, nor do we have any real control over the strategy that they're pursuing in terms of timing. What we do know and what I think the audience should focus on is that they are on the innovation pathway in China, which is a special regulatory pathway, which provides multiple levels of benefits, including ultimately some commercial benefits. But one of the major requirements of obtaining those benefits is being the first country in the world to approve the product for which those benefits are requested. So in order for them to maximize or fully exploit their perceived value cetepatide, they need to get it approved in China before it's approved anywhere else. Speaker 200:27:16I think that drives a lot of their decisions. That's my interpretation. But as a result, they're trying to move things along very, very fast. And most of what they do is essentially a confirmation of what we have done with our collaborators previously. And so they start off with a plan, but sometimes they cut it short because they're getting the kind of results that are corroborative and they need to move on more quickly. Speaker 200:27:46So I think that one could interpret this as they're seeing enough of a trend from the data they already have from Phase II to make the commitment to move on to Phase III. And they probably put that into a risk benefit equation to determine whether or not taking that risk and going faster was worth it in comparison to waiting and potentially losing the innovation pathway benefit. I hope that's clear. Speaker 600:28:18Well, that's very helpful. Thank you. Operator00:28:21Thanks. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Pete Enderlin of MAZ Partners. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:28:33Hi, everybody. Thanks for taking my questions. You have been using a contract manufacturer for sotepatide for clinical trials. What about the possibility and is there any activity along those lines of having manufacturing for trials done by some big pharma manufacturers that would have that capability and could potentially be licensees? Speaker 200:29:00Well, thanks, first of all, for joining, Pete, and asking the question. And I think your question kind of, in some respects, puts the cart before the horse. Most big pharma have minimal excess capacity at this point in time. They manage their manufacturing capacity very closely because excess capacity is wasted money, and they don't want to have that. And so they balance external manufacturing with internal manufacturing. Speaker 200:29:29And they typically don't function as a contract manufacturer for other products unless they've actually either already signed a deal on those products or licensed or acquired the product. Speaker 700:29:40So that's very small quantities. These would be very small quantities. Speaker 600:29:46Sorry, that? Speaker 200:29:48Say that again, please? Speaker 700:29:49I said these would be very small quantities. It wouldn't require them to allocate a large portion of their capacity. Speaker 600:29:58Well, no, no, no. Speaker 200:29:59They have to isolate a manufacturing train to make these things. And so switching products actually takes within a multipurpose facility, actually takes quite a lot of time and money because you have to clean the facility, decontaminate it, test it to demonstrate that you have no residuals, then bring the new process in, re qualify the process, and then you can manufacture. So you typically don't switch back and forth. Multipurpose facilities typically take large chunks of time and devote them to products. They would never manufacture small amounts for clinical supplies unless that was their business and no big pharmas are in that kind of business. Speaker 700:30:45Okay. Fair Speaker 200:30:46enough. And they would charge us a fortune to do that. Speaker 600:30:49All right. Well, I thought I Speaker 700:30:50saw some comment that you might possibly do that, but maybe that wasn't from you guys or yourselves. Anyway, another question, if I could squeeze it in. How are you doing strategically in arranging potential partnerships in the endometriosis field? Speaker 200:31:09Well, the discussions in the endometriosis field are very, very early because the data we have are preliminary data from a mouse study. That data was encouraging. It was done by one of the foremost experts in the pathology of endometriosis, which is at the University of Cincinnati. But at this stage, we're seeing who's interested. And unfortunately, in this environment, most of the potential partners are more interested in clinically ready assets and not preclinical programs. Speaker 200:31:44But we continue to have discussions. Speaker 700:31:46Okay. And then another one that I'll probably strike out also is that in terms of certepatide being either tendered or co administered initially, of course, mostly co administered. But what kind of level of activity behind the scenes is going on with regard to the possibility of studies of tethered administration? Speaker 200:32:13Well, we've actually announced one, which is the Catalent Research Collaboration. Sutepatide will be tethered to Catalent SmartTag ADC platform. So that's really the first major foray into covalently binding sotepatide to other moieties for delivery and therapeutic effect. Speaker 700:32:36Okay. I didn't realize it was actually covalent or whatever you call that. That's very interesting. Yes. Speaker 600:32:47Thank you a lot. Speaker 200:32:48Thanks, Pete. Take care. Operator00:32:51I am showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn it back to Doctor. Mazza for closing remarks. Speaker 200:33:01Okay. Well, again, thank you all for participating in today's call. We remain grateful for your continued interest and support. Stay well. Have a good evening. Operator00:33:10Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the program. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Losada reported a Q1 2025 net loss of $4.7 million, down from $5.4 million a year ago, with operating expenses reduced by 11.4% and cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities of $25.8 million providing runway into Q3 2026. Preliminary clinical data for cerdepatide from ASCEND Cohort A and the I-LISTRA trial were presented at the 2025 ASCO GI Symposium, showing positive trends in overall survival and tumor‐infiltrating lymphocyte increases. Key upcoming data readouts include ASCEND Cohort B at the July ESMO GI, mid-2025 top-line results from the BOLTAR cholangiocarcinoma trial, and Qilu Pharmaceuticals’ Greater China study data in the next 12–18 months. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to the Losada Therapeutics First Quarter twenty twenty five Financial Results and Business Update Conference Call. Currently, participants are in listen only mode. Following management's prepared remarks, we will hold a Q and A session. As a reminder, this call is being recorded today, Thursday, 05/08/2025. I will now turn the call over to John Mendito, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications at LoSATA. Operator00:00:34Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:00:36Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to LoSATA's first Quarter twenty twenty five Conference Call to discuss our financial results and to provide a business update. Joining me today from our management team are Doctor. David Mazzo, President and Chief Executive Officer Doctor. Kristen Buck, Executive Vice President of Research and Development and Chief Medical Officer and James Nisko, Senior Vice President of Finance and Treasury and Chief Accounting Officer. Speaker 100:01:02Shortly before this call, we issued a press release announcing our first quarter twenty twenty five financial results available under the Investors and News section of the company website, along with a webcast replay of this call. If you have not received this news release or you'd like to be added to the company's e mail distribution list, please subscribe to the e mail alerts on the company website or e mail me at jmendidolosada to be added to the list. Before we begin, I remind you that comments made by management during this conference call will contain forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties regarding the operations and future results of Losada. I encourage you to review the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including, without limitation, its Forms 10 Q, eight ks and 10 ks, which identify specific risk factors that may cause actual results or events to differ materially from those described in the forward looking statements. Furthermore, the content of this conference call contains time sensitive information that is accurate only as of the date of this live broadcast, Thursday, 05/08/2025. Speaker 100:02:07Losada Therapeutics undertakes no obligation to revise or update any statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of this conference call. With that, I will now turn the call over to Doctor. Mazzo. Dave? Speaker 200:02:20Thank you, John. Good afternoon, everyone. It's a pleasure to be here again to provide an overview of Losada's recent business highlights, discuss our first quarter twenty twenty five financial results and give an update on the progress of our development programs. Building on an eventful 2024, we've maintained strong momentum into 2025 despite persistent market headwinds for small cap health care companies. We continue to make significant progress advancing our clinical development portfolio for our novel product candidate, cerdepatide, targeting solid tumors and other difficult to treat diseases. Speaker 200:02:55The ongoing accumulation of both preclinical data and especially clinical data supports our belief that cerdepatide has the potential to become a cornerstone of a revised standard of care treatment regimen for advanced solid tumors of many types. We were particularly encouraged by the preliminary results from both Cohort A of the ASCEND trial and the EYLISTRA trial data presented at the twenty twenty five ASCO GI symposium in January. These data reinforced both sotepatide's potential and our overall development strategy. We anticipate that the next twelve to eighteen months will be data rich for LUSADA with several key milestones on the horizon. We will continue to share our progress and key findings as they become available. Speaker 200:03:40Following the review of our financial results, Doctor. Kristin Buck, our Chief Medical Officer and Head of Research and Development, will provide an update on our ongoing and planned clinical and preclinical programs, including time lines and key objectives. And with that, I will now turn the call over to James Misko, our Senior Vice President of Finance and Treasury and Chief Accounting Officer. James? Speaker 300:04:03Thanks, Dave. Good afternoon all. I'm pleased to join you today to present a summary of our first quarter twenty twenty five financial results. Starting with operating expenses. For the three months ended 03/31/2025, operating expenses totaled $5,800,000 compared to 6,600,000 for the three months ended 03/31/2024, representing a decrease of $800,000 or 11.4%. Speaker 300:04:36Research and development expenses were approximately $2,600,000 for the three months ended 03/31/2025, compared to $3,200,000 for the three months ended 03/31/2024, representing a decrease of $600,000 or 19.7%. This was primarily due to a reduction in clinical research organization expenses and site expenses associated with our Phase IIa proof of concept bolster trial and lower spend on chemistry, manufacturing and controls. General and administrative expenses were approximately $3,200,000 for the three months ended 03/31/2025 compared to $3,400,000 for the three months ended 03/31/2024, representing a decrease of approximately $100,000 or 3.4%. This was primarily due to one off settlement costs in the prior year, partially offset by an increase in consulting expenses and severance costs in the current year. Overall, net losses were $4,700,000 for the three months ended 03/31/2025, compared to $5,400,000 for the three months ended 03/31/2024. Speaker 300:06:05It is noteworthy that we continue to make progress according to our plans for our R and D and business activities while continuing our legacy of prudent capital management and expense minimization. Turning now to our balance sheet and cash flow. As of 03/31/2025, Lesata had cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities of approximately $25,800,000 Based on its existing and planned activities, the company believes available funds will support current operations into the third quarter of twenty twenty six. With that, I will now turn the call over to Doctor. Kristin Buck to provide an overview of the company's development programs. Speaker 300:06:52Kristen? Speaker 400:06:54Thank you, James, and good afternoon, everyone. It's a pleasure to be here today to present an update on our clinical development portfolio, including near term catalysts. As mentioned on previous quarterly calls, LASADA is focused on the development of its proprietary cyclic peptide product candidate, certepatide, for the treatment of advanced solid tumors and other difficult to treat diseases. Certipatide is an investigational drug designed to activate a novel uptake pathway that allows co administered or tethered anticancer drugs to selectively target and penetrate solid tumors more effectively. In addition, certepatide has been shown to modify the tumor microenvironment, making it less immunosuppressive and therefore increasing the tumor susceptibility to immunotherapy and our own body's immune system, while also inhibiting the metastatic cascade. Speaker 400:07:50If you'd like more information regarding certepatide's mechanism of action, we encourage you to visit our website where you'll find an animated video and relevant slides within our corporate presentation. On the regulatory front, Certified has secured multiple special designations from both the FDA and EMA, all of which are also listed on our website and in the corporate presentation for your easy reference. Now for an update on our individual development programs. The ASCEND trial is a 158 patient, double blind, randomized, placebo controlled clinical trial, evaluating cirtepatide in combination with standard of care gemcitabine and nab paclitaxel chemotherapy in patients with metastatic pancreatic ductal adenocarcinoma or MPDAC. The trial is being conducted at 25 sites in Australia and New Zealand, sponsored by the Australasian Gastrointestinal Clinical Trials Group or AGITG, in collaboration with the National Health and Medical Research Council Clinical Trial Centre at the University of Sydney. Speaker 400:09:00As mentioned on prior calls, the ASCEND trial is an investigator initiated trial that LASADA inherited upon our acquisition of SEND Therapeutics. The original trial was designed with more of an academic nature rather than one with commercial objectives as was statistically powered based on a six month progression free survival primary endpoint. After the acquisition, LASADA collaborated with the AGITG to modify the trial to ensure it provided clinical outcomes that would best support the next steps in development of cerdepatide from a regulatory perspective. As such, the ASCEND trial protocol was amended to include another cohort of patients or cohort B, not statistically powered to evaluate an additional cerdepatide dosing regimen. The ASCEND protocol was also amended to capture overall survival outcomes for both cohort A and cohort B, as overall survival is considered by regulatory authorities to be the gold standard endpoint in pancreatic cancer trials. Speaker 400:10:11Since the ASCEND protocol was amended following trial initiation, data from cohort B are delayed compared to cohort A data by several months. Cohort A with ninety five patients receiving a single intravenous dose of cerdafatide or placebo in combination with standard of care completed enrollment in the third quarter of twenty twenty three. As announced in January of this year, preliminary cohort A data was presented at the twenty twenty five ASCO GI Symposium, which showed a positive trend in overall survival, including four complete responses in the certepatide treated group compared to none in the placebo treated group. Preliminary data from cohort B with sixty three patients receiving two intravenous doses of certepatide or placebo administered four hours apart in combination with standard of care, has been accepted for presentation at the twenty twenty five ESMO Gastrointestinal Cancer Congress to be held during the July. Final analysis of both cohorts is planned to be available thereafter. Speaker 400:11:25The BOLTAR trial is our Phase IIa double blind placebo controlled multicenter randomized trial in The United States evaluating cerdepatide in combination with standard of care in first and second line cholangiocarcinoma. Enrollment was completed in first line cholangiocarcinoma nearly six months ahead of plan, accelerating anticipated top line data readout to mid-twenty twenty five. Based on encouragement from multiple investigators involved in the trial, a second cohort was added evaluating cirtepatide in subjects in second line cholangiocarcinoma on top of standard of care. Although originally planned to recruit 40 patients, we recently took the decision to cap enrollment in this new arm at approximately 20 patients to allow for quicker data analysis and more efficient use of our capital. SENDEFOX is a Phase 1b2a open label trial in The United States, evaluating certepatide in combination with neoadjuvant fulciranox based therapies in pancreatic, colon and appendiceal cancers. Speaker 400:12:33In December 2024, the company announced enrollment completion in all three cohorts. The single center study being conducted at the University of Kansas Cancer Center was designed with a three cycle run-in period to ensure patients met specific criteria before receiving treatment. Of the sixty six patients enrolled, fifty met these criteria and were treated with certepatide across the three cohorts, including twenty four with resectable or borderline resectable pancreatic cancer, fifteen with high grade colon or appendiceal cancer and peritoneal metastases, and eleven patients with oligometastatic colon cancer. We are eagerly awaiting data from this investigator initiated study and will share key findings when available. Qilu Pharmaceutical, the licensee of sertepatide in the Greater China territory, is running a parallel development program for sertepatide in combination with gemcitabine and NAM paclitaxel as a treatment for MPDAC. Speaker 400:13:40Chile recently reported that they completed enrollment in the study of 96 subjects. According to guidance from Chile, data are expected in the next twelve to eighteen months with a Phase III study planned to start thereafter. Based on the terms of the license, Chile will be obligated to pay LASADA a $10,000,000 milestone upon dosing of the first patient in their Phase III study. In collaboration with AstraZeneca in Australia and the funding sponsor of the I LISTA trial, WARP-nine, we are evaluating certepatide in a Phase 1b2a randomized placebo controlled three arm single blind single center safety early efficacy and pharmacodynamic trial. The I LISTA trial is being conducted in Australia combining certepatide with the checkpoint inhibitor durvalumab plus standard of care gemcitabine and nab paclitaxel chemotherapy versus certepatide in combination with standard of care that is no durvalumab versus standard of care alone in patients with locally advanced nonresectable pancreatic cancer. Speaker 400:14:52Promising preliminary results from the first seventeen of thirty patients enrolled in the I LISTA trial were presented at the twenty twenty five ASCO GI Symposium. This interim analysis suggests that certepatide, in combination with standard of care chemotherapy and immunotherapy, improves treatment outcomes for this patient population, while also provoking an increase in tumor infiltrating lymphocytes in subjects with RECIST response. With more than ninety percent of patients enrolled, we remain confident that enrollment will be completed in the next two months. A study of certepatide in combination with pimozolomide in patients with glioblastoma multiforme, or GBM, has been initiated with several patients already enrolled and treated. This study is designed as a Phase 2a double blind placebo controlled randomized proof of concept study evaluating certepatide when added to standard of care temozolomide versus temozolomide alone and a matching certepatide placebo in subjects with newly diagnosed glioblastoma multiforme. Speaker 400:16:04This actively enrolling study is being conducted across multiple sites in Estonia and Latvia and is planned to also include a site in Lithuania. The study is targeted to enroll 30 patients with a randomization of two:one, certepatide plus standard of care versus placebo plus standard of care. Enrollment completion is now expected in 2026. FORTIFYDE is a conceptual Phase 1b2a double blind placebo controlled three arm randomized study evaluating the safety, tolerability and efficacy of a four hour continuous infusion of cerdepatide in combination with standard of care in patients with first line pancreatic cancer. As part of the study, LASADA has engaged Haystack Oncology to use its MRD technology to measure circulating tumor DNA levels at multiple time points in patients through the study as an exploratory endpoint for analyzing the early therapeutic of cerdepatide. Speaker 400:17:03Initiation of the study remains on hold as the company is investigating a potentially faster and more cost effective alternative to achieving the study's objective. Additionally, LASADA has recently established several collaborations across oncology and other therapeutic areas to explore new strategic development opportunities for cerdepatide. These include a partnership with Valo Therapeutics to investigate the benefits of combining cerdepatide with Velo Therapeutics Peptocrad, a customizable oncolytic adenovirus platform technology and a checkpoint inhibitor in a preclinical murine model for the treatment of melanoma. Initial results from this collaboration are expected by early summer. Following results from an earlier preclinical study, Losartan entered into a global license agreement with CUBA Labs to explore the synergistic potential of cerdepatide as a targeting and delivery agent for Kuva's NanoMARC imaging technology in solid tumors. Speaker 400:18:13Kuva has communicated that it intends on commencing its imaging study in the first half of this year with results anticipated in early twenty twenty six. LASADA will provision certepatide to Cuba for its clinical study via a clinical supply agreement. And recently announced, LASADA has entered into a research license with Catalent to evaluate in a preclinical setting the efficacy of Certipatide as a payload on Catalent's SmartTag antibody drug conjugate dual payload technology platform for the treatment of difficult to treat diseases, including advanced solid tumors. Under the terms of the agreement, Catalent will assume full responsibility for all research and development expenses, and Lisada will provide consulting support. Beyond the clinical studies I've outlined, we are actively exploring additional opportunities to advance our development strategy, including progressing cirtepatide in combination with gemcitabine and nab paclitaxel into a global Phase III trial for the treatment of pancreatic cancer. Speaker 400:19:22However, we remain focused on only initiating trials that can be funded through data with existing or guaranteed capital and that can be executed within a reasonable period of time. As a reminder, several of the clinical trials I mentioned earlier are investigator initiated trials, and as such, LASADA has limited control over study timelines and expectations may change or may be subject to change. That said, we are grateful to the investigators and especially to the patients participating in cerdepatide clinical trials around the world. For detailed information on each trial, please refer to the appendix of our corporate presentation on our website. The presentation also includes two slides illustrating the anticipated timelines and execution of key milestones and data readouts. Speaker 400:20:07Doctor. Manzo highlighted, we anticipate a data rich 2025 and look forward to sharing these results. And with that, I will now turn the call back to Dave. Speaker 200:20:17Thanks, Kristen. Based on the excellence of execution of our LASADA team, we have started 2025 with another important collaboration and are poised to report data for many of our studies throughout the year. We and our partners firmly believe that tirteplatide holds transformative potential for patients and significant long term value for our respective shareholders, and we look forward to reporting on the progress toward realization of that potential on future calls. With that overview, operator, we're now ready to take questions. Operator00:21:08Our first question comes from the line of Joe Pantginis of H. C. Wainwright. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:21:16Hi, good afternoon. This is Sarah on for Joe. Thanks for taking the question. My question is regarding the bolster study, specifically the second line cholangiocarcinoma cohort. Now that target enrollment, as you mentioned, is capped at about half of what you had initially targeted. Speaker 500:21:34Just wondering if you could maybe provide some more color on whether this might impact the regulatory path forward or maybe the kind of data that you need to show to move forward? Thanks. Speaker 200:21:46Hey, Sarah. Thank you for that question. As Kristin described, the BOLTAR trial is a Phase IIa proof of concept trial. It's not powered to any specific endpoint. And therefore, the number of patients that are enrolled is really a number that we choose that we believe will be indicative of trends. Speaker 200:22:10And so what we're really looking for in both the first line and second line cholangiocarcinoma study within bolster is whether or not we're seeing any therapeutic effect of cerdepatide on the standard of care and on patient outcomes. And with 20 patients, also with a control in both arms, we'll be able to make those determinations, I think, with the same level of confidence that we would have with 40 patients in the second line. But we really thought it was important to be able to get to data in both of those arms as soon as possible. And so by curtailing enrollment earlier, we'll be able to get to final outcomes data for both arms faster, and we think that that's important. Then, of course, in these financial times, which are a bit challenging, saving some money on enrollment, approximately half that study does not go without its benefits. Speaker 500:23:06Okay. That's helpful. Thanks. Operator00:23:08One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Kemp Dolliver of Brookline Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:23:21Great. Thank you. With regard to the ASCEND presentation and the timing, how deep will you be able to go in the data? I mean, you certainly would have top line data and highlights of the supporting data, but how far along will you be in the data analysis such that the audience will have a good and strong impression of data or walk away with a lot of questions because there a lot of additional pieces to the puzzle? Speaker 200:24:04Ken. Thanks very much for joining and for that question. So basically, the plan of action for the reporting of ASCEND data, which is formulated by the sponsor of the study, which is the AGITG, is as follows. So the first part everybody knows, the cohort A data we call it preliminary data because basically they simply reported on the major endpoints, but there's still some sub analyses that needed to go on. Those data were presented at ASCO GI in January. Speaker 200:24:35The cohort B data, which will be of the same level of detail as the cohort A data was back in January, meaning essentially definitive data on the major endpoints, overall survival, PFS, etcetera, will be reported in the July at ESMO GI. And what would remain would be a combination of the cohort A and B data, some statistical analyses to determine whether or not, A, first of all, you can combine the data either from both therapeutic arms or the placebo or individually, and then the results of that. That's an interesting study. And if we are able to combine the therapy arms, that will increase the power of the study a little bit. But really, the main answers will be, I would say, interpretable after the July ESMO GI presentations, because at that point, you'll have the main results from both cohort A and cohort B. Speaker 600:25:40Fabulous. Thank you. And just want to clarify the discussion around Chelu because the press release says the data Phase II data are expected near in the near future. And, you know, we've you've talked in the past about it taking twelve to eighteen months to get the data after they've completed enrollment. And my recollection is that it hasn't been twelve to eighteen months since they completed enrollment of the trial. Speaker 200:26:13That's right, Kemp. So some of this is semantic, but I'll preface everything that I'm about to say with the caveat that we have no control over the timelines that Chilu announces or actually follows, nor do we have any real control over the strategy that they're pursuing in terms of timing. What we do know and what I think the audience should focus on is that they are on the innovation pathway in China, which is a special regulatory pathway, which provides multiple levels of benefits, including ultimately some commercial benefits. But one of the major requirements of obtaining those benefits is being the first country in the world to approve the product for which those benefits are requested. So in order for them to maximize or fully exploit their perceived value cetepatide, they need to get it approved in China before it's approved anywhere else. Speaker 200:27:16I think that drives a lot of their decisions. That's my interpretation. But as a result, they're trying to move things along very, very fast. And most of what they do is essentially a confirmation of what we have done with our collaborators previously. And so they start off with a plan, but sometimes they cut it short because they're getting the kind of results that are corroborative and they need to move on more quickly. Speaker 200:27:46So I think that one could interpret this as they're seeing enough of a trend from the data they already have from Phase II to make the commitment to move on to Phase III. And they probably put that into a risk benefit equation to determine whether or not taking that risk and going faster was worth it in comparison to waiting and potentially losing the innovation pathway benefit. I hope that's clear. Speaker 600:28:18Well, that's very helpful. Thank you. Operator00:28:21Thanks. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Pete Enderlin of MAZ Partners. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:28:33Hi, everybody. Thanks for taking my questions. You have been using a contract manufacturer for sotepatide for clinical trials. What about the possibility and is there any activity along those lines of having manufacturing for trials done by some big pharma manufacturers that would have that capability and could potentially be licensees? Speaker 200:29:00Well, thanks, first of all, for joining, Pete, and asking the question. And I think your question kind of, in some respects, puts the cart before the horse. Most big pharma have minimal excess capacity at this point in time. They manage their manufacturing capacity very closely because excess capacity is wasted money, and they don't want to have that. And so they balance external manufacturing with internal manufacturing. Speaker 200:29:29And they typically don't function as a contract manufacturer for other products unless they've actually either already signed a deal on those products or licensed or acquired the product. Speaker 700:29:40So that's very small quantities. These would be very small quantities. Speaker 600:29:46Sorry, that? Speaker 200:29:48Say that again, please? Speaker 700:29:49I said these would be very small quantities. It wouldn't require them to allocate a large portion of their capacity. Speaker 600:29:58Well, no, no, no. Speaker 200:29:59They have to isolate a manufacturing train to make these things. And so switching products actually takes within a multipurpose facility, actually takes quite a lot of time and money because you have to clean the facility, decontaminate it, test it to demonstrate that you have no residuals, then bring the new process in, re qualify the process, and then you can manufacture. So you typically don't switch back and forth. Multipurpose facilities typically take large chunks of time and devote them to products. They would never manufacture small amounts for clinical supplies unless that was their business and no big pharmas are in that kind of business. Speaker 700:30:45Okay. Fair Speaker 200:30:46enough. And they would charge us a fortune to do that. Speaker 600:30:49All right. Well, I thought I Speaker 700:30:50saw some comment that you might possibly do that, but maybe that wasn't from you guys or yourselves. Anyway, another question, if I could squeeze it in. How are you doing strategically in arranging potential partnerships in the endometriosis field? Speaker 200:31:09Well, the discussions in the endometriosis field are very, very early because the data we have are preliminary data from a mouse study. That data was encouraging. It was done by one of the foremost experts in the pathology of endometriosis, which is at the University of Cincinnati. But at this stage, we're seeing who's interested. And unfortunately, in this environment, most of the potential partners are more interested in clinically ready assets and not preclinical programs. Speaker 200:31:44But we continue to have discussions. Speaker 700:31:46Okay. And then another one that I'll probably strike out also is that in terms of certepatide being either tendered or co administered initially, of course, mostly co administered. But what kind of level of activity behind the scenes is going on with regard to the possibility of studies of tethered administration? Speaker 200:32:13Well, we've actually announced one, which is the Catalent Research Collaboration. Sutepatide will be tethered to Catalent SmartTag ADC platform. So that's really the first major foray into covalently binding sotepatide to other moieties for delivery and therapeutic effect. Speaker 700:32:36Okay. I didn't realize it was actually covalent or whatever you call that. That's very interesting. Yes. Speaker 600:32:47Thank you a lot. Speaker 200:32:48Thanks, Pete. Take care. Operator00:32:51I am showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn it back to Doctor. Mazza for closing remarks. Speaker 200:33:01Okay. Well, again, thank you all for participating in today's call. We remain grateful for your continued interest and support. Stay well. Have a good evening. Operator00:33:10Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the program. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by