Talen Energy Q1 2025 Earnings Report

Talen Energy EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.82
• Consensus EPS: $1.17
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$0.35
• One Year Ago EPS: N/A

Talen Energy Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $390.00 million
• Expected Revenue: $556.93 million
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$166.93 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

Talen Energy Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q1 2025
• Date: 5/8/2025
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Thursday, May 8, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 9:00AM ET

Talen Energy (NASDAQ:TLN) is an independent power producer and infrastructure company based in the United States. It operates a diverse portfolio of power generation facilities, including nuclear, natural gas, coal, and renewable energy sources like solar. The company is actively involved in the wholesale electricity market, selling power, capacity, and ancillary services across the country.

In addition to its traditional power generation, Talen is also investing in energy transition initiatives, such as battery storage projects, to support a more sustainable and reliable energy future. This strategic shift aims to diversify its energy mix and capitalize on the growing demand for cleaner, more flexible energy solutions.

Talen Energy owns or controls approximately 16,000 megawatts of capacity in wholesale power markets, principally in the Northeast, Mid-Atlantic, and Southwest regions of the United States. The company's Susquehanna nuclear power plant has approximately two boiling water reactors with a combined capacity of over 2,600 megawatts. Its fossil fuel plants are located in Athens, Barney Davis, Bayonne, Brandon Shores, Brunner Island, Camden, Colstrip and Dartmouth, among others. It has an art energy trading center located in Allentown, Pennsylvania (PA), where it manages asset load obligations, fuel supply, capacity and related products, and all supporting physical or financial transactions for its electric generation portfolio.

Talen Energy previously traded under the symbol TLNE on the OTC Markets, but officially uplisted and began trading on the NASDAQ Global Select Market with the symbol TLN on July 10, 2024. This marked a significant step in its market presence and aims to increase visibility and attract a broader range of institutional investors.

Talen Energy Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• In Q1 Talend delivered $200 million of adjusted EBITDA and $87 million of free cash flow, driven by 9.7 TWh of generation and a low forced outage rate of 1.2%.
• Susquehanna Unit 2’s outage was extended by three weeks for incremental balance-of-plant maintenance at a cost of ~$20 million, expected to restore over 27 MW of capacity with a ~1.5-year payback.
• The AWS campus at Susquehanna is fully electrified, with multiple buildings under construction and a ramp-up to 120 MW under the approved 300 MW ISA on track for 2025.
• Talend sees tightening PJM markets from 3.5% weather-adjusted load growth and strong data center demand, and narrowed its 2025 guidance to $975 million–$1.125 billion EBITDA and $450 million–$540 million free cash flow, with 2026 outlook unchanged.
• The company repurchased $83 million of shares in Q1 (23% of shares since early 2024), targets returning 70% of free cash flow to shareholders, and doubled its 2026–27 hedges during the quarter.

Presentation

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to Talend Energy First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during this session, you would need to press 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised.

[Operator]

Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would like now to turn the conference over to Sergio Castro, Vice President and Treasurer. Sir, please go ahead.

[Sergio Castro, Vice President & Treasurer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Thank you, Michelle. Welcome to Talend Energy's first quarter twenty twenty five conference call. Speaking today are Chief Executive Officer, Mac McFarland Chief Financial Officer, Terry Nutt and Chief Commercial Officer, Chris Maurice. They are joined by other Talend senior executives to address questions during the second part of today's call as necessary. We issued our earnings release this morning along with the presentation, all of which can be found in the Investor Relations section of Talend's website, talendenergy.com.

[Sergio Castro, Vice President & Treasurer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Today, we are making some forward looking statements based on current expectations and assumptions. Actual results could differ due to risk factors and other considerations described in our financial disclosures and other SEC filings. Today's discussion also includes references to certain non GAAP financial measures. We have provided information reconciling our non GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in our earnings release and the appendix of our presentation. With that, I will now turn the call over to Mac.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Great. Thank you, Sergio, and welcome everyone to the call. We appreciate your continued interest in Talend Energy. In an uncertain market, we remain certain about our strategic path forward and our investment thesis. While the markets have been choppy and tariffs and trade restrictions on things like rare earth metals have introduced complexities, we remain committed to the simplicity of executing our business plan, focusing on operations, commercialization of our megawatts, returning capital to shareholders and executing our growth strategy through our contract with AWS at Susquehanna and expanding our strategy to contract megawatts at our other sites, thereby delivering the most free cash flow per megawatt and that is how we measure ourselves.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

We believe the long term prospects for the IPP business and for Tawan more specifically remain strong. Our fundamental view of tightening power markets has not changed. Our belief in ever growing data center load has not changed. Our belief that Pennsylvania is a hub for data center development has not changed. In fact, many of these beliefs have strengthened.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

PPL just announced 11 gigawatts of advanced data center development in their transmission territory where our plants are located. New development costs and construction timelines are escalating. Some estimates for new CCGTs are $2,200 to even $2,600 a KW. While some uncertainty around supply chains, tariffs and tax policy have also hindered renewable development. All the while hyperscalers continue to affirm or accelerate their capital plans and are showing no signs of slowing.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

All that said, market news of data center rebalancing and a lack of strength in power forwards has led some skeptics to question the underlying thesis in the IPP space and its intersection with data centers. To those skeptics, say we are undeterred. Rebalancing is just that, rebalancing. And the forward markets are thinly traded and don't reflect the new normal of tight power markets. Turning to Slide two, we had a solid quarter bolstered by strong load and power prices as well as very good operations and performance by our fossil plants, Susquehanna and the commercial team, all working together to deliver $200,000,000 of EBITDA and $87,000,000 of free cash flow, which is ahead of our Q1 internal estimates that underpinned our 2025 guidance.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

I'd like to thank the women and men of Talend that have delivered these results who worked tirelessly through the winter cold snap and kept the lights on. During Q1, we continued to execute under our share repurchase program buying back $83,000,000 worth of shares. The AWS campus has been electrified and we are delivering power and receiving revenues under our existing contract. And AWS continues to build out the campus with multiple buildings under construction. We are excited about the future that this brings as we continue to execute under our current arrangement in the approved 300 megawatt ISA.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

We are moving forward and not looking back. We look forward to hosting investors at the site so they can see the activity for themselves. I'm sure you all want to know how and when we are moving past the 300 megawatts of our current ISA. As I have said before, we don't comment on commercial activities we are undertaking. That said, we remain keenly focused on finding the right solution for our customers and talent.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

But let me add this, last year was one of the most exciting years in my career in the IPP space and I'd like to think talent played a role in that. And in 2025 is shaping up to surpass last year as the intersection of power and data centers is validated. While not a Q1 activity, we have extended our refueling outage on Susquehanna Unit 2 to perform incremental maintenance. We went into this outage with a plan to gain operational efficiency through the recovery of 27 megawatts through a fix in the condenser. We worked and performed this we performed this work in the megawatts we do expect to recover.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

However, while doing this work, we identified incremental maintenance we felt prudent to undertake during the spring period of low prices and we extended our outage by just over three weeks and at an incremental cost of roughly $20,000,000 We believe this incremental work will restore megawatts in excess of the 27 that we originally planned to achieve. All of this leads us to expect a payback approximately one point five years at today's prevailing market prices. This sets us up well for the future with more energy to sell and ultimately this decision is the right thing to do at the right time. We have incorporated our favorable first quarter results into our guidance for 2025 and also included the incremental maintenance we are undertaking. And as a result, we are narrowing and affirming that guidance and our 2026 outlook remains unchanged.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

We turn to Slide three, our view of the markets is not wavered. We continue to see tightening markets driven by increased demand. In Q1, we saw seven terawatt hours or approximately 3.5% of incremental deliveries on a weather adjusted basis in PJM when compared to prior year. This caused our fleet to be dispatched by approximately 1.6 terawatt hours more than it was in the same quarter last year. The additional generation all came from our fossil fleet and supports our view that energy demand will increase the dispatch of our flexible fleet.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

As I mentioned, we have seen PPL announce even more data center load from prior estimates last year and we see other forms of demand further strengthening. AI continues to move forward at a significant pace and hyperscalers continue to raise or affirm their capital investment plans. Further, cloud services and hosting activity continue to show significant growth as indicated by several earnings reports over the last few weeks. While data center demand in AI is somewhat of a recent phenomenon and the markets are trying to digest a lot of discrete data points, Data points that include ship production and sales, lease terminations and new data center announcements and the rebalancing I mentioned earlier, from where we sit, we do not see a pullback. And while there will be a supply response to this increasing demand, in the short term, things like the efforts I described to bring more megawatts to the grid at Susquehanna will happen across the industry.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

However, we don't see notable newbuild coming online until late in the decade. And with supply chains tight and tariff and trade restrictions going into place, when a lot of equipment is sourced in Europe, the cost of new builds makes new supply even more challenged in the short term. In the long term, we do believe that supply will ultimately arrive in response to market demand and signals, but there is some truth to the view that current capacity pricing as well as the forward markets don't support new build investment and don't reflect the tightening market. Chris will provide some additional detail on our hedging program later that demonstrates that while we believe the forwards are not representative of supply and demand fundamentals, we did take the opportunity in the first quarter to layer on additional hedges in 2026 and 2027 when the forward market was well bid. Turning to Slide four, I mentioned most of this in my opening remarks.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

We continue to execute. AWS continues to build. We are delivering electrons and receiving dollars. And as a reminder, the schedule over the course of the year is to ramp up to 120 megawatts. With that, I'll turn it over to Terry on Slide five.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Terry?

[Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Thanks, Mac, and good morning, everyone. Let's look at our first quarter financial and operating results. Our team continues to deliver from an operational perspective. During the quarter, our fleet ran well during periods of high demand, demonstrating the value of a dispatchable fleet. We generated 9.7 terawatt hours of power with an equivalent forced outage factor of 1.2%.

[Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Slightly less than half of this generation came from our carbon free Susquehanna nuclear facility, as our fossil fleet ran more in periods of high demand. While we experienced higher run times at our fossil plants, our Montour and Bruner Island facilities saw significant increases in generation during the quarter. Safety remains our first priority across the fleet and our team works safely during the busy winter run-in cold conditions. Our Q1 recordable incident rate was only 0.4. This is in line with or better than our peers.

[Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Turning to slide six, I'll provide some more financial details. We had a solid start to the year with results better than our estimates. We reported adjusted EBITDA of $200,000,000 and adjusted free cash flow of $87,000,000 The weather in PJM was cold this quarter, with heating degree days in Philadelphia above the ten year average. Below average temperatures during the first quarter of twenty twenty five contributed to increased demand that resulted in higher settled on peak power prices compared with the prior year. On a comparative basis, our first quarter results in the prior year benefited significantly from approximately $165,000,000 of realized hedge gains, with Q1 twenty twenty five only containing a modest hedge impact.

[Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Our fleet performed when needed, as evidenced by our low force outage rate, and our fossil fleet generated approximately 20% more power than the same period last year, despite the absence of our ERCOT assets. As you may remember from our Investor Day in September of last year, our earnings in the second half of twenty twenty five will be higher due to the inclusion of the twenty twenty five-twenty twenty six capacity pricing of approximately $270 a megawatt day and the reliability must run impacts of our Brannen Shores and Wagner facilities. As Mac mentioned earlier, we are reaffirming and narrowing our previously announced 2025 guidance ranges. The strong performance in the first quarter and expectations for the balance of the year are expected to offset the impacts of the extended Susquehanna outage. Our narrowed adjusted EBITDA range is $975,000,000 to $1,125,000,000 and our narrowed adjusted free cash flow range is $450,000,000 to $540,000,000 In the near term, market uncertainty on trade restrictions and tariffs do not have a material effect on cost.

[Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

In the longer term, it is more uncertain as we evaluate tariffs and the impact throughout our supply chain. Our 2026 outlook remains unchanged from what we disclosed at our Investor Day back in September. These ranges continue to demonstrate Talend's robust earnings and cash flow growth profile, which includes tripling adjusted free cash flow per share by 2026. Turning to slide eight, we continue to target a return of 70% of adjusted free cash flow to our shareholders. We view share repurchases as the first priority for excess cash and we will use that as the benchmark to measure the return profile of any growth opportunities.

[Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

As Mac mentioned earlier, the pullback in the equity market allowed us to purchase $83,000,000 or approximately 452,000 shares in the first quarter. Since the start of 2024, we have repurchased approximately 14,000,000 or 23% of our outstanding shares. We have approximately $1,000,000,000 in buyback capacity remaining through year end twenty twenty six and balance sheet flexibility to execute our program or act strategically if the right opportunities present themselves. Moving to slide nine, we remain committed to maintaining net leverage below our target of 3.5 times along with ample liquidity. As of May 2, our forecasted net leverage ratio was approximately 2.6 times, well below our target.

[Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

In addition, we have approximately nine seventy million dollars of liquidity with over $270,000,000 of cash on the balance sheet. During the quarter, we took advantage of falling rates to execute $550,000,000 of interest rate swaps. And since the end of the quarter, we added an additional $150,000,000 of swaps, which reduces our floating rate exposure and allows for more predictable cash flows. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Chris.

[Chris Morice, Chief Commercial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Thanks, Terry, good morning, everyone. Moving to Slide 10, I'd like to highlight our hedging activity this past quarter. Our hedging strategy is focused on maintaining appropriate risk tolerances with an emphasis on protecting cash flows across our generation fleet. On the left, there is a graph of average calendar year 2026 and 2027 PJM West Hub around the clock pricing. On the heels of a strong winter, prices rose and our commercial team started to layer in additional hedges during the period.

[Chris Morice, Chief Commercial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

As a reminder, we have a pragmatic, not programmatic hedging strategy, which gave our team the flexibility to add hedges during higher price periods as detailed on the right hand side.

[Chris Morice, Chief Commercial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

In Q1,

[Chris Morice, Chief Commercial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

we doubled twenty twenty six and 2027 hedges in a rising price environment. These actions allowed us to increase certainty of the near term cash flows for the business, while still maintaining appropriate exposure to rising price fundamentals in 2027 and beyond. With that, I hand the discussion back to Mac for closing remarks.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Great. Thanks, Chris. This remains an exciting time to be in IPP. Market fundamentals remain incredibly strong, data center load growth continues to arrive, we continue to execute on our AWS contract. All of this gives us strong conviction in our investment thesis and Talend is well positioned to power the future.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

We appreciate everyone's interest in Talend and for joining us on the call today. We'll now turn it back to the operator and open the line for questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. The first question comes from David Arcaro with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

[David Arcaro, Executive Director - Equity Research at Morgan Stanley]

Hey, thanks so much. Good morning.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Good morning, David.

[David Arcaro, Executive Director - Equity Research at Morgan Stanley]

Following up on maybe a

[David Arcaro, Executive Director - Equity Research at Morgan Stanley]

few comments of your peers this week, one of your peers highlighted a shift in customer interest toward front of the meter deals. I guess I was wondering if you could maybe elaborate on your current conversations and with the backdrop of this FERC process going on. Has there been a change in tone or strategy or desire to go front of the meter versus behind the meter here in your conversations as well?

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Well, thanks. Appreciate the question. Look, mean, I'd first start with, we have a current transaction or contract with AWS that we're executing under. And as I mentioned in the remarks earlier, we're actively delivering megawatts and receiving revenues, etc, and ongoing construction there. Since the time I think we've signed that contract, we've mentioned to people that we've been looking at all different forms of opportunity with respect to how to power data centers and to expand our growth strategy.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

And you've seen a lot of activity obviously that started with the denial by FERC of the ISA extension and then the technical conference and then the ongoing dialogue back and forth with PJM. PJM's submitting eight different alternatives and basically allowing options of ways to power data centers. We think that's highly supportive and continue to support that process. And in working with our counterparties, we're looking at a number of different ways to get megawatts quickly delivered because it's speed to market and how to contract megawatts across the fleet. So we've been working actively for over a year on that and that's pretty much it.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Cole, anything you want to add?

[Cole Muller, EVP of Strategic Ventures & GM of Cumulus Growth at Talen Energy Corporation]

I think that's right, Mac. I mean, we said last September at our Analyst Day that across our fleet, we're looking at a variety of different options. Obviously, we had the Susquehanna behind the meter deal with Amazon. But obviously, front of the meter solution is the right solution in many cases. And so we have been working on those kinds of constructs for a while.

[Cole Muller, EVP of Strategic Ventures & GM of Cumulus Growth at Talen Energy Corporation]

And obviously with the FERC denial in November, we've been, I think saying routinely that we're working on alternative commercial solutions there as well.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Maybe just one further point, and I mentioned this in opening remarks, I think it is something to pay attention to. You continue to see PPL discuss the backlog moving from nine gigawatts to 11 gigawatts and they've been advancing that. So there are going to be a number of solutions in the territory where we have plants, land, water, access, transmission capability, etcetera to connect to the grid. So I think you're going to see that activity show up and now it's just a matter of how does it get its power source and where does it come from. And PBL is actively engaging with PJM and thinking about what is going to be needed from the transmission system.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

So I think that all points to the signs that the customers are there and how the contractual arrangements are going to occur. That's going to evolve. And as I mentioned, I think it's going to be a really exciting time in 2025 when this power data center intersection gets validated.

[David Arcaro, Executive Director - Equity Research at Morgan Stanley]

Yep, got it. No, that all makes sense. I appreciate the color. And maybe touching on the current status of the FERC process and co location. How do you see that playing out here in terms of the path forward?

[David Arcaro, Executive Director - Equity Research at Morgan Stanley]

Do you see a path for a settlement process potentially opening up?

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

So yes and hard to predict. I guess is the not to bury the headline. Look, the FERC process has been evolving, okay? But they have said and Chairman Christie has said that they want to resolve it quickly. I think you saw there was a conference at the Pennsylvania PUC, again, wanting to promote the ability to serve large loads, data centers, etc, wanting to move quickly because people realize that there's a huge amount of economic development associated with this.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Pennsylvania realizes there's a huge amount of economic development and wants to become a hub, if you will, for data centers. And so we're obviously involved in watching this, and I think that the PJM eight options that went to FERC and then FERC looking to resolve this matter in a quick fashion, we're highly supportive of. But again, so a lot of that FERC process, which we're engaged in the FERC process, we also have a legal matter pending in the Fifth Circuit with respect to our ISA, and then all the commercial activity of Cole and his team, that continues to progress because there are a number of different ways by which to resolve how to get data centers power. And so those are all evolving and progressing.

[David Arcaro, Executive Director - Equity Research at Morgan Stanley]

Okay, great. I appreciate the comments. Thanks so much.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Thank you.

[Operator]

And our next question comes from Angie Storozynski with Seaport. Your line is open.

[Angie Storozynski, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Seaport Research Partners]

Thank you. So I wanted to follow-up on the other comments about PPL. So I'm actually looking at the PPL zone. It seems to me like about seven gigs of load of peak load and about 13 gigs of installed capacity in the PPL zone. And as you said, PPL is showing 11 gigs of potential incremental demand.

[Angie Storozynski, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Seaport Research Partners]

And then PPL does not provide generation, right? So whoever joins from that queue needs to procure electricity, presumably many of them from your plans. And yet you are staying away from making any comments about other assets, Susquehanna. So that's number one. And number two is, given that again the existing load in the queue add up to more capacities and currently available in the PPL zone, would you be open to maybe expanding some of your assets under long term contracts?

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Yeah, as I said, our growth well, first of all, good morning Angie. How are you? I'm glad to hear from So look, as I said, our strategy when we it was just March of last year when we signed the contract and since that day we've been moving forward. Our growth strategy is focused on leveraging our platform. So let's unpack that for just a second, which is how do we use a platform?

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

We have a number of different assets, addition to Susquehanna, the focus has been on Susquehanna and how do we expand at Susquehanna, which we always said would have to be a change to that contract in some form of grid to provide the same reliability. So we've been looking at that. We've been looking at how do we use the rest of the assets in our portfolio and provide a platform solution. So when you have single assets, you don't have necessarily the same risk backstop that you do when you have a portfolio. You don't have the same balance sheet you do when you have a portfolio of assets.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

So we've been looking at how do we leverage that portfolio and leverage the work and the I'll call it IP, if you will, lessons learned, first mover advantage, whatever you want to call the contract with AWS. We've been looking at how do we leverage that across the fleet. So while not talking specifically, I hope that gives you a flavor for what we're trying to do.

[Angie Storozynski, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Seaport Research Partners]

And no comment about expansion of existing assets. I understand you don't want to.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. Did. Yes, I forgot to say no comment on the expansion of existing assets.

[Angie Storozynski, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Seaport Research Partners]

Okay, that's great.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Well, Angie as you know and I always appreciate the questions, but I think it's fair to ask the questions, but it's also fair for us to say look we don't comment on M and A activity. We don't comment on commercial arrangements that we're working on or not working on. We don't comment on MMPI, having it or absence of having it. We just don't do that as a matter of practice, because we're focused on executing our strategy and then when we have points in time by which we can let the market know by having something executed, we will do so. It's just a matter of practice that we do.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

When you're working on commercial activities, whether it be contracts, acquisitions, divestitures, any of that, it doesn't behoove anybody in that process to have public discussion about it because they're commercial activities and you don't want to give one side or the other leverage.

[Angie Storozynski, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Seaport Research Partners]

So

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

as a matter of practice, we just don't comment on those things.

[Angie Storozynski, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Seaport Research Partners]

Okay. So just one last one. So you have a head start as far as contracting of assets, it's only because of Susquehanna. Admittedly nobody else has a house contract, so it's not like you've lost it. As the time goes by, are you concerned that that head start or that competitive advantage is not going to last in a sense that this time to power benefit that you currently possess is just going to go away as additional deals are announced by your competitors?

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

So First of all, I do think we have our first mover advantage. There's hundreds of millions of dollars of infrastructure, transmission infrastructure sitting on the ground at Susquehanna. There's hundreds of millions of dollars of buildings and other infrastructure that's going in. And we have a contract we're executing underneath that. And as we go through the ramp up, as we go through billing, as we go through all of this, we're further advancing what we know about how to power data centers and what that looks like.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

And the conversations that we have because of the 11 gigawatt backlog, etc, we're advancing our knowledge. As far as I've always said, and sometimes I regret and sometimes people like to put it back to me, I've always said I'd like to announce our second deal before somebody announces their first and I'll stick to that. That's true. But at the same time, a rising tide lifts all boats. And I think the more that the industry can sign contracts and prove up this intersection, as I mentioned in my remarks, of data centers and power and validate that, the better off the entire industry is.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

But we're competitive. So yes, we want to be announcing more deals and doing it before anybody else. But it's just how these things work. We could talk about complexity. We could talk about time and contracting and legalese and all that type of stuff.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

But at the end of the day, we are executing and there's a lot of activity. Don't think that our lack of public discussion about what we're doing is a lack of effort or progress. Paul, anything you want to add?

[Cole Muller, EVP of Strategic Ventures & GM of Cumulus Growth at Talen Energy Corporation]

Yeah, I just kind of piggyback on

[Cole Muller, EVP of Strategic Ventures & GM of Cumulus Growth at Talen Energy Corporation]

the point around Susquehanna. We have a couple of year head start, As Max said, we have substations in the ground buildings that are actively drawing power and the campus expanding. So we don't need to wait for an announced next contract to continue to expand that at rapid pace. And then back on the point around our other assets, they're in an advantaged position, They have the right characteristics, water, fiber, land, etc. But also, as you noted, Angie, they're in the right location, right?

[Cole Muller, EVP of Strategic Ventures & GM of Cumulus Growth at Talen Energy Corporation]

There's 11 gigawatts potentially coming to this zone, whether it's contracted or not, those assets are in really good position, and we're able to and have been advancing opportunities to lock that in.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

And let me just add to that, which is I think that Vince and the team at PPL have been very constructive, and they have a commercial mindset that is allowing data centers to flourish in their backyard, if you will. And we have a constructive relationship with them. And they also have a transmission system that can absorb a lot of these megawatts. And as they've said, not impact residential customers. So that's a big advantage and we like the position that we're in and we like who we're working with.

[Angie Storozynski, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Seaport Research Partners]

Good. Thank you.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Thanks, Angie.

[Operator]

And our next question comes from Michael Sullivan with Wolfe. Your line is open.

[Michael Sullivan, Director - Equity Research at Wolfe Research]

Hey, good morning.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Good morning, Mike.

[Michael Sullivan, Director - Equity Research at Wolfe Research]

Hey, Mac. Wanted to just ask for a little more detail on the Susquehanna outage. I guess, how confident are we that it will be back in the next week or so? And then just in terms of what's being improved here, how should we think about that?

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Yeah, so look, I'm glad you brought that up. From a schedule standpoint, obviously, when you go into a nuclear outage, you have a literally minute by minute type schedule and we've done that with the extension. Mid May is the target here, but with all things schedules can move, but we have confidence in what the fix that we're doing, which is we went into the condenser and knew that we had some maintenance and that was planned and that was to get us approximately 27 megawatts for that would get us back to full capacity injection rights, which then would go into the capacity market. But when we did the upgrade over a decade ago, we actually got past that from a capability of the plant, capacity injection rating. And so we determined incremental work and I could go through the arcane engineering stuff of the extraction steam system between the condenser and the turbine, etc.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

But without getting into that, there was just some other things that we found that would further enhance effectively the steam flow. And when we did that effective repair work, we anticipate getting incremental megawatts. And that's why when we put that in there and say the $20,000,000 of incremental cost plus the call it, lost opportunity, albeit during low price environment in the spring here, of the three and a half weeks, we say that we're going to get payback on that over the time because we're going to get even more energy out of the system. So that's the work we're doing. Hopefully that answers your question.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Happy to take a follow-up, Michael, if you have

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

one.

[Michael Sullivan, Director - Equity Research at Wolfe Research]

Yeah, that's very helpful. So it sounds like it's more on generation side of

[Michael Sullivan, Director - Equity Research at Wolfe Research]

things.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Yeah, should have made that very clear. We describe things as nuclear island and non nuclear island. It's on the non nuclear island aspect of things. So it's basically on balance of plant is the way that we would say it internally.

[Michael Sullivan, Director - Equity Research at Wolfe Research]

Okay, very helpful. Thank you. Then my second question was sorry, were you about to say something, Mac?

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

No, no. Was anticipating your next question.

[Michael Sullivan, Director - Equity Research at Wolfe Research]

Just

[Michael Sullivan, Director - Equity Research at Wolfe Research]

maybe level of updated level of conviction in the 2026 outlook that you gave back in September. I know you've layered on some hedges here. Pricing has been moving around. We've now got the cap floor construct for the auction coming up.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Sure, I'm happy to and Terry should get in here too and Chris as well. But look, I think Chris hit on it. That's why we actually had it as part of this presentation, is we saw some opportunity We don't necessarily need to go in and hedge. Do it when we look at adjusting our risk tolerances.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

What I would say is the market was well bid in the term market 26%, twenty seven % during the first quarter cold snap, right, as Chris mentioned. And so we layered in some additional hedges. But if you look out, the backwardation in the market does not make sense to us, think is the way that I would say it. You have that fundamental view of tightening markets, the capacity market I think is supported. Terry, Chris, Terry, you want to?

[Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Yeah, no, Michael, just to be direct, we have a significant amount of confidence in our '26 outlook number. As you mentioned earlier, you've seen the forwards move. We've obviously seen the commodity market even the last few days get a bid in some of these out years. So we've got a ton of confidence on that. We do have to see the results of the upcoming auction.

[Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

There could be maybe even potential upside from that depending on the outcome. That sort of dovetails with maybe a follow-up question from you or one of your colleagues on how we feel about the option. But ton of confidence.

[Michael Sullivan, Director - Equity Research at Wolfe Research]

Okay, thanks very much. Appreciate it.

[Operator]

And our next question will come from Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

[Jeremy Tonet, Equity Research Analyst, Executive Director at JP Morgan]

Hi, good morning.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Good morning.

[Chris Morice, Chief Commercial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Hi, Jeremy.

[Jeremy Tonet, Equity Research Analyst, Executive Director at JP Morgan]

Just wondering as it relates to capital allocation, I know that's been touched on a bit here before as it relates to buybacks. But just wondering any thoughts you could share with us with regards to the pace of buybacks in a given quarter given we've seen a lot of share price volatility, right? And just wondering if free cash flow in a given quarter impacts pace or any other considerations we might think about just given the level of volatility we've seen out there and how that could influence the buyback pace?

[Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Yes, Jeremy, happy to take that. Good morning. So from a pace standpoint, obviously, you can take a look at what we did in the first quarter as an example. When market opportunities present themselves, we're going to get out there and put our share repurchase program in place and get moving. Ultimately, the more dollar per share from a free cash flow standpoint that we can produce, ultimately, that's our goal, right, is growing that free cash flow per share, what that looks like for our remaining customers.

[Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

We do have a little bit of seasonality in our cash and I would tell you there's a little bit of that just given how our debt service works, but not anything to where it keeps us out of the market for any quarter or any period of time. As I mentioned earlier, we've got over $270,000,000 of cash on the balance sheet ready and willing to transact when we can.

[Jeremy Tonet, Equity Research Analyst, Executive Director at JP Morgan]

Got

[Jeremy Tonet, Equity Research Analyst, Executive Director at JP Morgan]

it.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Hey Jeremy, it's Mac. I might just add, look, think there were we filed our proxy the March 19. And in there, you would have seen if you looked at the share count because it's a current filing, you have to put current numbers in, you would have seen versus the twelvethirty 1 share count that we had bought back shares. So if you go back to the early March timeframe, that's a couple months ago, that we were in the market and we were executing trades at that point, buybacks at that point in time.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

And we just felt as though that was a good use of capital. We've always said that our benchmark is returning capital to shareholders before we would go and make other alternative uses of that cash. So as Terry said, we're there and we're going to be supportive of the stock when we can.

[Jeremy Tonet, Equity Research Analyst, Executive Director at JP Morgan]

Got it. That makes sense. I just didn't know if there could

[Jeremy Tonet, Equity Research Analyst, Executive Director at JP Morgan]

have been more in

[Jeremy Tonet, Equity Research Analyst, Executive Director at JP Morgan]

the quarter given the volatility, if there's any limiting factors. I understand the response there. Thank you for that.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

I wish we could have bought a billion back at 185. That's a little joke. But there are limits as to what you can do on volume per day and things of that nature. And I think there were people that wrote that when we got down into that $185 range or plus or minus, that that was sort of a reflection, wasn't even a reflection of just pure fundamentals before you think about data of power plants, before you think about adding data centers on top of that. So look, think we've shown the propensity to execute under our capital allocation program and have bought back now what,

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

like 1,900,000,000?

[Cole Muller, EVP of Strategic Ventures & GM of Cumulus Growth at Talen Energy Corporation]

20 three percent of the

[Cole Muller, EVP of Strategic Ventures & GM of Cumulus Growth at Talen Energy Corporation]

market cap.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

So and again, we're going to continue to evaluate that strategy and that's our benchmark.

[Jeremy Tonet, Equity Research Analyst, Executive Director at JP Morgan]

Got it. That's helpful. And then just wanted to pivot towards PJM, the market a little bit here. With the PJM auction collar now approved, just wondering how you think that sets up incentives, I guess, for new builds in the next few years here. How did PJM's recent approvals Fast Track New Generation play into this?

[Jeremy Tonet, Equity Research Analyst, Executive Director at JP Morgan]

Any thoughts on proposals to re regulate in Pennsylvania, given, I guess, some of the news we hear out there?

[Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Yes. So Jeremy, there's a lot in that question. So maybe we can take this one step at a time. From a constructive standpoint for what we see and maybe let's touch on the capacity auction real quick. We think the upcoming capacity auction will be extremely constructive.

[Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

I'll let Chris add a few comments to that here at the end. On reregulation and policy discussions in Harrisburg and the like, obviously, we're proponents of what the IPP and the merchant generation space has done over the last several decades of bringing generation to bear. Once again, when you take a look at any sort of tightening cycle, the initial supply response is usually, I mean, it's a very orderly process, you're going to get additional upgrades from existing sites first and foremost, that's usually the lowest cost of incremental generation, then you're going to get, you know, potential retirements that were in the plan that are not going to be retired. And we've seen some of that already, right? So you're seeing that supply response.

[Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

The question of new build outright is a challenging one, you now have two auctions, where you've got a floor and a ceiling that limit the outcome from a capacity standpoint. And I would tell you the combination of those capacity outcomes with the existing energy price is not enough to cover a decent return on investing $2,200 and heaven forbid $2,600 2 thousand 7 hundred dollars a KW for a combined cycle generation plant. And so that new build, green build development is challenged from that standpoint, even before you get into whether or not you can touch on it from a supply chain standpoint. Chris, you want add anything on the capacity auction?

[Chris Morice, Chief Commercial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Yeah. Look, I think to say it simply, think still look tight. We've gotten updated parameters, reliability requirements up, ELCC is down. So some knowns and unknowns. Of the unknowns, Doctor, win participation, those will be variable, but maybe instructive, right?

[Chris Morice, Chief Commercial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Let's go back and auction as we're active in that space and trading bilaterally. You saw some prints coming across that certainly didn't reflect where the auction cleared. So the variability on price outcomes continues to be wide. With the collar in place, the curve is steep. And quite frankly, we're 1.5 to 1.6 gigs from price and floor on outcomes.

[Chris Morice, Chief Commercial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

So again, the price variability is certainly heightened, but given the fundamental underlay, things still look tight and things still look

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Where are you seeing trades, Chris, for '26, '20 '7 in the bilateral market? Maybe that's

[Chris Morice, Chief Commercial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Yes, again, it's very coming out of the last auction, we saw some 300 prints come through. We're seeing a little more different flavor of three year strips, two year strips, contemplative of a high clear this year with some uncertainty in the back half. So again, all indicators still pretty constructive, but certainly some unknown variables vis a vis wind and Doctor that could impact that.

[Jeremy Tonet, Equity Research Analyst, Executive Director at JP Morgan]

Got it. That's very helpful. I'll leave it there. Thanks.

[Chris Morice, Chief Commercial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Thanks, Jeremy.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Julien Dumoulin Smith with Jefferies. Your line is open.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, II-Ranked & 'Hall of Fame' Research Analyst covering Power, Utilities & Clean Energy at Jefferies]

Hey, good morning, team. Thank you guys very much for the time. I appreciate it. Maybe to follow-up on Mac. Thank you.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, II-Ranked & 'Hall of Fame' Research Analyst covering Power, Utilities & Clean Energy at Jefferies]

So maybe just to follow-up a little bit on the earlier question with from mister Sullivan there. Can I follow-up a little bit on the the non nuclear island? Just what exactly is it that you guys are upgrading? If I can

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, II-Ranked & 'Hall of Fame' Research Analyst covering Power, Utilities & Clean Energy at Jefferies]

get a little bit more details.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, II-Ranked & 'Hall of Fame' Research Analyst covering Power, Utilities & Clean Energy at Jefferies]

I mean, does it pertain to

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, II-Ranked & 'Hall of Fame' Research Analyst covering Power, Utilities & Clean Energy at Jefferies]

the blades here or what is

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, II-Ranked & 'Hall of Fame' Research Analyst covering Power, Utilities & Clean Energy at Jefferies]

the status of the generator No,

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

It's the extraction steam system that comes off of the turbine that then eventually the steam flows down into the condenser. We knew we had work to do in the condenser. That's the 27 megawatts that we're talking. But as you went up river, if you will, back towards the turbine, there was some additional repairs and incremental maintenance on some of the piping effectively there. So that it's the extraction steam system.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

It's that simple. And when we do that incremental work, what it'll do is effectively and this is a layman's term, I am an engineer, but I quit doing that like thirty years ago but is tightening the flow of the steam. And by doing so, get for the same fuel, you get additional energy out of the system.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, II-Ranked & 'Hall of Fame' Research Analyst covering Power, Utilities & Clean Energy at Jefferies]

Got it. Okay. So turbine blades and the generators.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

It's not the turbine. It's not the turbine. I appreciate that follow-up question because I should have been clear.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, II-Ranked & 'Hall of Fame' Research Analyst covering Power, Utilities & Clean Energy at Jefferies]

Thank you

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, II-Ranked & 'Hall of Fame' Research Analyst covering Power, Utilities & Clean Energy at Jefferies]

for saying it multiple times.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Yeah, it's not the turbine. It's the

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

surrounding component.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, II-Ranked & 'Hall of Fame' Research Analyst covering Power, Utilities & Clean Energy at Jefferies]

Excellent. As a consequence, your confidence in the timeline of the outage, etcetera, I think you said a week away here is pretty high.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Again,

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

you put together timelines and you put together the best of it with the best available information, but we feel good about the mid May timeframe.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, II-Ranked & 'Hall of Fame' Research Analyst covering Power, Utilities & Clean Energy at Jefferies]

Got it. Okay. Yeah, don't mean to press you too much there. Appreciate it. All right, excellent.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, II-Ranked & 'Hall of Fame' Research Analyst covering Power, Utilities & Clean Energy at Jefferies]

All right. Just if I can pivot slightly here,

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, II-Ranked & 'Hall of Fame' Research Analyst covering Power, Utilities & Clean Energy at Jefferies]

I mean Montour is an interesting asset you guys have. Obviously a lot of focus on your Susquehanna site, and there's a certain degree of adjacency. How do you think about the concept of the additionality here? I mean, some of your peers have been commenting on this, and certainly, you guys have an interesting potential player on this avenue. So, again, I'm not trying not to pry on on your commercial terms and as much as trying to think about the scope of how you think about what could come ahead here, especially in light of this growing conversation on additionality.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Look, I think that and discussed this before, when I think about the markets and the tightening of the markets, I think of things in sort of a near term, mid term and longer term. And in the near term what we have, and I've said this before, and if you look at by the way, it's being validated in our results because if you look at the run times on Montour versus a year ago, we have plenty of energy in the system. What we have for the next five years is effectively trying to solve a capacity issue for twenty to forty hours. And I think that's where the industry has started to talk about how do we solve that twenty to forty hours. And we have enough energy there.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

With respect to additionality, I think what you're saying, and I hope I got it right, you're talking additionality in terms of incremental megawatts or plants. That is a end of the decade, that next five year period, thirty to thirty five. That's when we're going to need energy and capacity that is new. In my mind, we have a capacity shortage, which again is just twenty to forty hours for the next five years. With the data center load coming, there will have to be additional megawatts brought to bear.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

That's just a fact as load growth. As I mentioned, this is an exciting time because we're seeing load growth again in the industry, which hasn't occurred, particularly in the Northeast. There's been in the Gulf States, you've seen load growth pretty fairly substantial in Texas, Louisiana, etcetera, from industrial load, but data center load coming to the Northeast and particularly specifically Pennsylvania, we're excited about. But yes, there will have to be additional megawatts brought to bear. But again, I think that is a 2,030 to thirty five timeframe if we as an industry and as a load can solve that twenty to forty hours a year.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

And I think that can come through demand response, things like getting incremental energy from our current megawatts, which we're looking at and doing, installed our current installed capacity across the fleet. So when it comes to additionality, I think it's a good discussion, but it's a discussion that to me is in the out years. And again, as I said in the opening, those construction costs are going up. You're looking at $2,200 to $2,600 a KW range is what others have said. Whether it be green or brown field, it doesn't matter.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

I mean, the costs are going up because of the materials, etc. And it's long lead time. And so the current markets don't support that. So again, we have pricing and megawatts right now, and it's speed to market for a lot of this data center load. It's like producing it now.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

But then we still have to solve this short term twenty to forty hours a year issue, and I think we as an industry can do that.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, II-Ranked & 'Hall of Fame' Research Analyst covering Power, Utilities & Clean Energy at Jefferies]

Yep, absolutely. But just to set expectations with respect to your portfolio here. Again, I know you're in the race to get this second deal done. It wouldn't necessarily be focused on incremental megawatts at the Montour site or what have you. It would be focused on a more conventional use of existing capacity, if I'm hearing you right.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

I think there are multiple ways to supply power to data centers.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, II-Ranked & 'Hall of Fame' Research Analyst covering Power, Utilities & Clean Energy at Jefferies]

You got it. All right, sir. Good luck. I'll see you soon.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Hey, Johann.

[Operator]

And our next question comes from Ross Fowler with Bank of America. Your line is open.

[Ross Fowler, Head - North America Power & Utilities Equity Research at Bank of America]

Good morning, Terry. Good morning, Mac. How are you? So first question, just any updates on the litigation process at the Fifth Circuit around the ISA or just we are where we were?

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Hey John, you want to take that John,

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

our General Counsel?

[John Wander, General Counsel & Corporate Secretary at Talen Energy Corporation]

I'd be happy to take that Ross. We're monitoring hang on a second. I'm thinking about a different issue. Give me two seconds here to think this through.

[John Wander, General Counsel & Corporate Secretary at Talen Energy Corporation]

Yeah, so look, the Fifth Circuit is proceeding. The briefing schedule is going to come out in the next couple of weeks. That appeal is a lot of technical issues, and I don't want to bore everybody with technical side of it. The upshot is that that FERC decision turned on theoretical concerns about non conforming provisions to applying those to hypothetical future transactions. And we think FERC should have evaluated our transaction and not future transactions that might or might not occur.

[John Wander, General Counsel & Corporate Secretary at Talen Energy Corporation]

So that process is going to play out over the course of the next several months in the Fifth Circuit. And as Mac has said several times, we're doing that along with other things.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Ross, let me just throw a little bit of additional color there. We're pursuing that option because we felt as though the denial of the ISA incremental to nine sixty from 300, which by the way that ISA had been approved, amended and approved and then denied, that it was denied without prejudice, which meant that they didn't reason or argue why it was denied. And our Fifth Circuit case is basically to ask FERC through the legal process to state why this is layman's terms, not a legal term. This basically provide a reasoned argument as to why it was denied, because we felt that that was a prudent thing to do.

[Ross Fowler, Head - North America Power & Utilities Equity Research at Bank of America]

That makes complete sense. Then following on to Julian's questions and maybe Angie's questions too, I know you're not going to comment on specific assets and I know we've sort of beaten up the additionality question but as I think about it, you have the agreement with AWS off the back of a nuclear plant on a co location basis now. As you flip that from a 30,000 foot view to natural gas, what kind of strategic things or risk factor things, big picture things are you thinking about how a natural gas plant arrangement would have to work different from a nuclear arrangement?

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Yeah, that's again, I'm going go back to why this is so exciting to be in the IPP space right now. If you go back, for those of us that can't, a couple decades to the early 2000s, trade floors had not only dealing with real time spot and sort of Balmong, Balweek, etc, there was also origination, which meant longer term contracting. And that skill has atrophied a lot in the industry. We're obviously rebuilding it, and if you think about it, the behind the meter deal, AWS, or any of the other contemplated solutions that we're thinking about how to power data center are effectively origination structured type deals. And to do that, you have to, in my opinion, have a platform like Talend has, which is a trading floor, the ability to source and contract for gas, schedule gas, be able to understand the risks associated with it, being able to backstop.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

If you were to go sell, for example, this is an example, if you were to go sell a long term contract off of a single gas unit, that has risk embedded in it to the counterparty and to the structure if that unit is to go down. But if that unit goes down and you have incremental megawatts across a fleet, you have an ability to portfolio risk that and to backstop that. So we're excited about the platform that Talend has to be able to find creative solutions and to go back to the world of origination and structuring where you had contracts for C and I, which if you think about the Amazon contract, it is a C and I type customer, it just happens to look a lot like an aluminum smelter that runs 20 fourseven. But those contracts were one, three, five, seven, sometimes even ten years or longer, like our AWS contract. Cole, you want to jump in on this?

[Cole Muller, EVP of Strategic Ventures & GM of Cumulus Growth at Talen Energy Corporation]

Yeah, so look, mean, the question around what's different between gas really versus nuclear, if I can cut to that. I think there's one fiscal and one financial, broad buckets that we've been working on. One is just the reliability aspect, right? We talked about Susquehanna having one unit back up the other in our current arrangement behind the meter. And I think we've gone back to our Analyst Day last year, we've been saying, a gas deal likely looks different needs to have some kind of grid support, because of the reliability, features and whatnot.

[Cole Muller, EVP of Strategic Ventures & GM of Cumulus Growth at Talen Energy Corporation]

We've been working on this type of arrangement well before the FERC rejection in November and have some thoughts there as we talk with counterparties. Then on the economic side, it's really around price risk. Obviously, there's the gas commodity risk on a long term contract and who warehouses that. There's a variety of different structures to do that. We certainly are built, as Mac was alluding to, to warehouse the appropriate risk and manage that for the appropriate return.

[Cole Muller, EVP of Strategic Ventures & GM of Cumulus Growth at Talen Energy Corporation]

And so that's where we're at with our discussions with counterparties.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Yeah, that's well said because when we say things like warehouse risk, we mean manage it for our customers. And we think that we're well positioned to do so. We have a good balance sheet. We have a diverse portfolio of assets in addition to Susquehanna that allows us to do that. So when people start asking questions about and by the way, we use front of the meter as shorthand.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

No one's really defined what front of the meter or front of the meter gas is, but if we just use that as a general umbrella concept, that means that somebody is going to have to be effectively a retail provider that can provide a full solution over a long term, manage risk, but do so at an appropriate return. And we like how we're positioned there. And we like how we're positioned where our assets are positioned as well.

[Ross Fowler, Head - North America Power & Utilities Equity Research at Bank of America]

That's a very comprehensive answer. And Mac, I'll say unfortunately, am old enough or maybe fortunately, I'm old enough to. Thank you.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

It's unfortunate, I think I'm going to believe but anyway, yes.

[Cole Muller, EVP of Strategic Ventures & GM of Cumulus Growth at Talen Energy Corporation]

You're a good company, Rob.

[Ross Fowler, Head - North America Power & Utilities Equity Research at Bank of America]

Take care, guys.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

See you. And

[Operator]

our next question comes from Craig Shere with Tuohy Brothers. Your line is open.

[Craig Shere, Director of Research at Tuohy Brothers Investment Research Inc]

Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Hey, Greg. Good morning.

[Craig Shere, Director of Research at Tuohy Brothers Investment Research Inc]

Digging a little bit further on Angie's gas fired and Julian's Montour question, a leading midstream company has coined some rapid fire greenfield simple cycle data center deployments that look to be online the next couple of years. Any thoughts on reconciling your 02/1930 to 02/1935 timeline for additionality given that if your comments are focused more around efficient CCGTs, but data centers are happy with seemingly perpetually simple cycle support, does that change your math at all?

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

No, not really, Craig. I mean, I think the corollary here is, you know, it was interesting in the shale boom, I don't know, maybe ten, fifteen years ago, right after sort of September '10, back in 'eight when the Ford strip was trading $11 in MMBtu. West Texas had a problem with electricity and there was a lot of upstream guys that said they were deploying you know, trailer 18 wheeler mounted cat systems out there to power their rigs and to power their pumps and compressors and things of that nature. I think that's a little bit of a corollary. There was a data center, I think it was in Memphis, they got plopped down and some reciprocating machines got plopped down next to it, which are probably the least efficient, but it gave us speed to market.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

I think that's all sort of within the realm of solutions and trying to figure out how to power data centers. And so I don't think that's inconsistent. My comments about 20, but you can do that on smaller scale. But when you start talking gigs, that's when I was talking 2,030 to 35 being the CCGTs. Cole, Terry?

[Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Yeah, no, Mac, I think you hit on it. It's a question of scale, right? As you think about that technology and what it's able to be used for the scale and the size matters. And then also the question of, what's your backup to that? And is it interconnected to the grid or not?

[Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer at Talen Energy Corporation]

Think that's important.

[Cole Muller, EVP of Strategic Ventures & GM of Cumulus Growth at Talen Energy Corporation]

Yeah, one other thing on that. Look, other companies are going to find pockets of opportunity to build in the near term for speed to market. Our speed to market advantage is already our existing assets, right? So we have high heat rate machines or higher heat rate machines already in Montour and some other assets. So for us, it just wouldn't be a natural fit to add more of that.

[Cole Muller, EVP of Strategic Ventures & GM of Cumulus Growth at Talen Energy Corporation]

If anything, it would be to add the high efficiency machines over the longer term. Yeah, probably.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

And again, I think, Craig, it goes back to like, it's going to take a portfolio to provide a portfolio of solutions.

[Craig Shere, Director of Research at Tuohy Brothers Investment Research Inc]

Understood. Flipping a little bit to the auction in front of the meter, and industry peers seem to anticipate notable demand response increases in the upcoming auction that could pave the way for more front of the meter PPA solutions by effectively peak shaving and allowing IPPs to tap their spare gas fired capacity. Would you agree with that outlook both in terms of the progression of the front of the meter market and also in terms of the pending auction?

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

I think what Craig, what you're hitting on is growing chorus and we've done a number of visits to DC and thinking about how to this intersection with respect to and without getting into those private conversations, I think it's thematic in the industry that people are looking at and saying, we have emergency response capability through backup generators, just like backup generators at your house. I mean, wouldn't suggest that we go aggregate all of those, but could be an option to solve things. But that are in size and people are looking at, as I described, how to solve this twenty to forty hour issue, not necessarily boil the ocean and try to get a bunch of new build when there's supply chains, etcetera. When we have energy as coal was just we have energy capacity at Montour. We were running Montour at seven percent three years ago, and we're now running it at 46% in the first quarter.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

I mean, that could it can ramp up and it's a gas unit, maybe it's a 10 heat rate, so it's not as efficient, but it is quick to market. It can ramp up, but it can't solve that twenty to forty hours because it was already counted in those twenty to forty hours. And so demand response and the ability to solve that we think needs to be a again, that's atrophy because there wasn't the need for it. We think that needs to come back those muscles need to be rebuilt. And we need to get some good rules and PJM on how that works.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

And we need to think about how do we integrate that across the load, if you will. But in doing so, you can't change the reliability of the load. And when you think about things like data centers and their load, who knows what they're doing? You don't want to cut their load when they're performing, I don't know, DOD activities or they're doing things for hospitals, etc. You can't do that.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

But we need to think about how do you integrate that and solve this twenty to forty hours issue across the system for the next five years. And I'm specifically talking about PJM right now.

[Craig Shere, Director of Research at Tuohy Brothers Investment Research Inc]

Thank you. Very helpful.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

I think we're just coming up on time. We got one more question.

[Operator]

Yes, our last question will come from Durgesh Chopra with Evercore. Your line is open.

[Durgesh Chopra, Managing Director at Evercore ISI]

Good morning. Thank you for squeezing me in. I just had a quick clarification on the FERC PGM discussion earlier on in the call. So obviously, one of your peers has asked for a settlement amongst settlement talks, parties. Just your views there, McIntyre, and I apologize if you've discussed this earlier, a couple of calls this morning, but just your views there on the settlement.

[Durgesh Chopra, Managing Director at Evercore ISI]

You're talking to Vistra yesterday. Their thought was that settlement actually pushes out the decision even further. So just any thoughts you can share there and how do you think this plays out?

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Look, we weren't a party to the show cause order. It was rejected or somewhat staunchly rejected by PJM and we're not pushing for that show cause order nor did we. And so PJM's pushed back on it. We think the regular course of what's going on right now in absence of that show cause order is the most effective way to get to a resolution.

[Durgesh Chopra, Managing Director at Evercore ISI]

If I'm Thank you, Mike. There's no timeline, right, on that, correct? And you obviously want to get a decision as quickly as possible, but FERC is under no time, like there's no set timeline for when FERC should act.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

There's not an explicit timeline, but if you listen to the White House, if you listen to Chairman Christie, everybody says we need to figure out the AI dominance, which means data centers, which means we need to figure out this solution. So as a practical matter, there is an overall guiding principle to solve this sooner rather than later. And so it's just going to need to take its course. Again, we want to continue to pursue that because we believe that the options, the eight options that PJM put forth need to be preserved. But that is not stopping us with respect to our other activities on the commercial front.

[Durgesh Chopra, Managing Director at Evercore ISI]

Thank you. Really appreciate the time.

[Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director at Talen Energy Corporation]

Okay, thanks Durgesh. Great and thanks everyone for joining us today and for your continued support of Talend. Have a great day.

[Operator]

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Sergio Castro, Vice President & Treasurer
• Mark McFarland, CEO, President & Director
• Terry Nutt, Chief Financial Officer
• Chris Morice, Chief Commercial Officer
• Cole Muller, EVP of Strategic Ventures & GM of Cumulus Growth
• John Wander, General Counsel & Corporate Secretary

Analysts

• David Arcaro, Executive Director - Equity Research at Morgan Stanley
• Angie Storozynski, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Seaport Research Partners
• Michael Sullivan, Director - Equity Research at Wolfe Research
• Jeremy Tonet, Equity Research Analyst, Executive Director at JP Morgan
• Julien Dumoulin-Smith, II-Ranked & 'Hall of Fame' Research Analyst covering Power, Utilities & Clean Energy at Jefferies
• Ross Fowler, Head - North America Power & Utilities Equity Research at Bank of America
• Craig Shere, Director of Research at Tuohy Brothers Investment Research Inc
• Durgesh Chopra, Managing Director at Evercore ISI