NYSE:TXNM TXNM Energy Q1 2025 Earnings Report $56.68 +0.30 (+0.53%) Closing price 05/23/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$56.95 +0.27 (+0.48%) As of 05/23/2025 06:22 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast TXNM Energy EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.19Consensus EPS $0.20Beat/MissMissed by -$0.01One Year Ago EPSN/ATXNM Energy Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$482.79 millionExpected Revenue$451.01 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$31.79 millionYoY Revenue Growth+10.50%TXNM Energy Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date5/9/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateFriday, May 9, 2025Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsTXNM Energy's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, July 30, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 11:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by TXNM Energy Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 9, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good day and welcome to the TXM Energy Q1 twenty twenty five Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Lisa Goodman, Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Lisa GoodmanExecutive Director of Investor Relations at TXNM Energy00:00:39Thank you, Dave, and thank you everyone for joining us this morning for the TXNM Energy first quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. Please note that the presentation for this conference call and other supporting documents are available on our website at txnmenergy.com. Joining me today are TXNM Energy Chair and CEO, Pat Kalan President and Chief Operating Officer, Don Terry and Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Lisa Eaton. Before I turn the call over to Pat, I need to remind you that some of the information provided this morning should be considered forward looking statements pursuant to the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. We caution you that all of the forward looking statements are based upon current expectations and estimates and that TXNM Energy assumes no obligation to update this information. Lisa GoodmanExecutive Director of Investor Relations at TXNM Energy00:01:36For a detailed discussion of factors affecting TXM Energy results, please refer to our current and future annual reports on Form 10 ks, quarterly reports on Form 10 Q as well as reports on Form eight ks filed with the SEC. With that, I will turn the call over to Pat. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:01:56Thank you, Lisa, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today on Billy Joel's seventy sixth birthday. What a better way to celebrate his birthday by kicking our call off with Piano Man. But even more exciting than Billy Joel's birthday is that today is PNM's one hundred and eighth birthday. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:02:19We were founded in 1917 as the Albuquerque Gas and Electric Company. And today, we're celebrating more than a century of serving our customers. So happy birthday to PNM. I'll start on Slide four with our financial results and company updates. Ongoing earnings for the first quarter this year are $0.19 This keeps us on track with our expectations for the year, which reflects the midyear implementation of new rates at PNM. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:02:53We are affirming our guidance for 2025 at a range of $2.74 to $2.84 per share, along with maintaining our long term EPS growth target of seven to 9%. Lisa will cover the numbers in more detail. I'm going to cover a couple of highlights for this quarter before handing things over to Don. Rate base growth at TNMP continues to be supported by timely recovery of our investments. During the first quarter, our system resiliency plan was approved, allowing us to invest and recover $546,000,000 in capital improvements that will enhance our ability to protect our system and respond to extreme weather events in service of our customers. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:03:46In New Mexico, the unopposed stipulation in our rate case continues to move forward. Hearings Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:03:53in Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:03:53the docket were completed in February and in April, the hearing examiners recommended approval of the stipulation. We expect the commission to make a decision in May or June ahead of the July 1 rate implementation date. New Mexico completed this year's legislative session with some key bills signed. The state has seen increased levels of interest in economic development and has identified the need to expedite the build out of infrastructure needed to serve new large customers. The business community rallied around these site readiness bills, which were passed with strong bipartisan support. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:04:37This provides an avenue for electric, gas and water utilities to pre build this infrastructure and is designed to allow New Mexico to become even more competitive in attracting new businesses. Another piece of legislation we supported was the creation of a wildfire task force. The purpose of the task force is to develop a comprehensive approach on how New Mexico can better prevent and respond to wildfires and make recommendations on solutions for this. We see this as a positive step forward in laying the groundwork for future legislation that could help protect our customers, employees and the communities we serve. With that, Don, I'll turn it over to you for more details. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:05:26Thank you, Pat, and good morning, everyone. I'll start on Slide six with TNMP. TNMP has already set a new system peak in the first quarter, coming in 22% higher than last year's first quarter system peak. Demand based load from traditional customers along with data centers had a strong start to the year. Demand based load increased 9.7, largely driven by growth in our North And West Texas regions, where commercial businesses have grown in the areas where data centers have been located. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:06:01Data center load picked up another 70 megawatts in the first quarter. We have a couple of existing customers that are expected to increase their demand up to another 150 megawatts before the end of the year. Interconnection requests were also up 6% compared to the first quarter of last year, with a noticeable uptick in the Gulf Coast area, supporting our continued growth expectations. Pat highlighted the regulatory success TNMP has already seen in the first quarter of this year. Our system resiliency plan was approved with $546,000,000 of capital investments planned through 2027. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:06:40TNMP has filed and received approval for $83,000,000 of transmission rate based investments made last year and the proposed order approving recovery of $176,000,000 of distribution rate based investments pending final approval from the commission this month. At the April, the commission formally approved the common projects in ERCOT's Permian Basin Reliability Study. TNMP will be investing approximately $750,000,000 by 02/1930 to complete our share of these projects, which we added into our capital plans in February. We expect to file CCN's applications for these projects in the first quarter of twenty twenty six. Turning to Slide seven. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:07:28We have not made any additional changes to our five year capital plan from the updates at our year end earnings call in February. Our plan remains focused on supporting the high level of growth in Texas with a reliable and resilient grid. The level of investments grows significantly over the five years of our plan from $600,000,000 this year to over $1,000,000,000 starting in 2028. Rate base grows by 17% and becomes the largest portion of our total rate base. All of the discussions in Texas around ERCOT load forecast and higher voltage transmission line supports the growth embedded in our plans. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:08:07We continue to see good discussions in the Texas legislature on items that help facilitate these growth plans. This year's session ends June 2, so it's too early to know which bills will pass, but there has been some good progress. There were a handful of bills introduced this year aimed at reducing regulatory lag or strengthening credit metrics as capital spending increases. And each of these could benefit TNMP. In addition, we have been having conversations on these same topics with stakeholders as we prepare to file our general rate review later this year. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:08:43There are also utility bills addressing wildfire prevention, ranging from poll inspections to the approval of wildfire mitigation plans. We are pleased that the legislature recognizes the need for some definition around utility responsibility and their associated liabilities and we will be closely following the remaining progress. The upcoming regulatory agenda includes our second TCOS and DCRF filings, and we will look to receive approval on both mechanisms before filing our general rate review in the fourth quarter, which which will kick off the one hundred and eighty day statutory clock. We are targeting the implementation of new rates in Q2 of next year. Let's move on to PNM on Slide eight. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:09:28The Hearing Examiner's recommendation to approve the unopposed stipulation in our rate review is our top highlight. It has been quite some time since we were able to achieve this type of agreement in a rate review. The hearings were originally scheduled for two point five weeks and ultimately were held for two days and provided a good opportunity for hearing examiners and commissioners to ask questions and discuss policy items raised in the filing. We were pleased to see the recommendation and look forward to commission decision in May or June ahead of the implementation in July. We also filed an unopposed stipulation in our 2028 resource filing for four fifty megawatts of resources, including a 150 megawatt solar and storage facility in the central consolidated school district, the same area where the San Juan coal plant was retired. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:10:19This was a key priority for stakeholders. Hearings in these dockets were held in one day and the Hearing Examiner issued their recommendation to approve the stipulation earlier this week. We expect a decision from the commission in the third quarter. As Pat mentioned, New Mexico's sixty day legislative session ended in March and a key priority from the business community was for site readiness. The bill's primary objective allows utilities to prepare sites and build capacity to serve these customers in advance. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:10:49It also shortens the regulatory approval timeline and allows utilities to defer cost until they can be included in a rate case proceeding. These bills have been signed into law and we are excited to see their impact along with the proposals that will come from the wildfire task force. Another bill, HB91 added a key tool that has been missing from rate making. The commission did not have the ability to approve rates specific to low income customers. This will be an important tool that we can be that can be used in our next rate review. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:11:24Turning to Slide nine. I'll cover the current outlook at PNM. Again, we have not made any changes to our five year capital investment plan and we remain focused on balancing the needs of our system with customer rate impacts. One area coming into greater focus for PNM is transmission development. We completed a twenty year transmission study late last year and have been holding discussions with stakeholders, including the commission last week. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:11:51We were able to share details about how additional investments could improve our system and meet the growing demands of our customers along with ways these investments could utilize resources in New Mexico to provide benefits to our customers. We have a number of upcoming items on our regulatory agenda. We will look for a decision on our rate review in Q2 and our 2028 resource application in Q3. We will make our annual update to our FERC formula rates in June. We will also be proposing the build out of two small transmission lines later this year that would improve our ability to serve our customers, perform maintenance on existing lines and facilitate economic development. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:12:33These investments have already been included in our capital plan. We currently have an RFP outstanding for new resources available between 2029 and 02/1932. We forecasted a need of at least 500 megawatts of new capacity by 02/1930, with the actual amount dependent upon the type of resources selected from the independently monitored process. We expect to file a resource application to propose our selected resources at the beginning of next year. Our current capital plan does not include any amounts for this and we will incorporate any new amounts after that application is filed. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:13:11With that, I'll turn it over to Lisa for a few more detailed look at the numbers. Lisa EdenSVP & CFO at TXNM Energy00:13:16Thank you, Don, and good morning, everyone. I'll start on Slide 11 with a recap of first quarter results. Ongoing earnings per share were $0.19 This is consistent with the expectation provided for the first quarter and reflects the absence of new rate recovery of PNM until the second half of the year. Overall earnings benefited from recovery of capital investments through TCOS and DCRF mechanisms at TNMP and retail load growth at both utilities, including the impact of weather. Degree days were higher at TNMP, partially offsetting lower heating degree days experienced in New Mexico. Lisa EdenSVP & CFO at TXNM Energy00:14:01These increases were offset by new demand charges from energy storage agreements implemented at PNM in late twenty twenty four, lower transmission margins, higher insurance premiums and the timing of planned outage costs. Remember that under our unopposed rate stipulation, any changes to our demand charges are deferred to the balance sheet, reducing variability in these costs once the new rate request has been approved. Depreciation, property tax and interest expense associated with new investments increased year over year. Detailed drivers for each of our segments are available in the appendix. We have affirmed our guidance range for 2025 of $2.74 to $2.84 We have updated the quarterly EPS distribution in the appendix to reflect our latest assumptions. Lisa EdenSVP & CFO at TXNM Energy00:15:04The third quarter continues to account for more than half of our EPS for the year. The capital plan on Slide 12 remains the same as the plan we showed at the February. We expect tariffs to have about a 2% impact on these plans as we move forward and we will incorporate any changes into our capital allocation and prioritization process. We are mindful of customer impact and we'll balance this with system needs as we work to mitigate any increases. I'll wrap up with our earnings power on Slide 13. Lisa EdenSVP & CFO at TXNM Energy00:15:46There are no changes from what we disclosed in February, which included a number of incremental capital opportunities and increased our growth targets. We continue to target EPS growth of 7% to 9% from 2025 through 2029, and the earnings power supports the upper half of this range. We feel confident in our ability to execute on this plan. With that, I'll turn it back over to Pat. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:16:17Thank you, Lisa. Before I open it up for questions, I want to take a moment to thank our teams across New Mexico and Texas. These are exciting times for us as we build out our systems and prepare for growth. Our teams are stepping up to the plate, and I am proud to lead these teams and watch our employees grow and succeed. Dave, with that, let's open it up for questions. Operator00:17:05Our first question comes from Nick Campanelli with Barclays. Please go ahead. Nicholas CampanellaDirector at Barclays00:17:14All right. Hey, everyone and happy birthday. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:17:17Thank you. Nicholas CampanellaDirector at Barclays00:17:18Good morning. Good morning. So hey, a lot of good comments on legislation, in your prepared, but just I was just curious this House Bill of 5,247 that's involving the Permian transmission projects. I just wanted to confirm that you would be in scope, for that. And maybe you can kind of talk about how that impacts your earned ROEs in a normal rate year or allows you to maybe accelerate some more capital and how that can impact what's assumed on the TNMP side? Nicholas CampanellaDirector at Barclays00:17:50Thank you. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:17:51Hey, thanks Nick. And you're referring to May '40 '7, House Bill 5,247, the unified tracker? Nicholas CampanellaDirector at Barclays00:17:58Correct. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:17:59Yes. No, we see that as beneficial to TNMP as you are probably very familiar with and others on the call. That allows you to kind of group everything together. It kind of looks and smells a lot like the system resiliency recovery mechanism where you can defer pretty much everything to the balance sheet and earn on it and then bring it in so you eliminate regulatory lag associated with it. So I think the way to think about it is it would be beneficial to TNMP from an EPS perspective. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:18:30Timing of cash flows will be a little bit different because TCOS and TCOS specifically as it relates to Permian Basin, you get to file twice a year but here you'd file it once a year. Nicholas CampanellaDirector at Barclays00:18:44Okay. That's great. Appreciate that. And then look I just want to address that on prior calls when you especially when you came out of the AGR process, you still seem to acknowledge the benefits of size and scale, mostly from a viewpoint of sourcing more efficient capital to finance what is a very large and growing rate plan or large and growing CapEx plan. So just maybe you can kind of give us an updated view on how you're thinking about that today and if anything's kind of changing your mind? Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:19:12No, Nick. The Board still holds the same views that they did that going into an environment of large growth that size and scale can really help with a large capital plan. So nothing has changed there. Nicholas CampanellaDirector at Barclays00:19:26Okay. And then just one last one, if I can. I know Lisa announced the retirement date and the effective date in that was March 15 or no sooner than March 15. So now that we're just in May, maybe just an update on how you're viewing that role as a team? Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:19:42We are enjoying the fact that we still have Lisa Eden Services with us and we're going to celebrate that and when we have news on another CFO we will let everybody know. Nicholas CampanellaDirector at Barclays00:19:57Okay. Thank you. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:19:59Thanks. Operator00:20:02And the next question comes from Julien Dumoulin Smith with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Brian RussoAnalyst at Jefferies00:20:10Yes. Hi. Good morning. It's Brian Russo on for Julien. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:20:13Good morning, Brian. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:20:14Good morning, Brian. Brian RussoAnalyst at Jefferies00:20:16Hey, just on the upcoming TNMP base rate case, what are the major drivers of the case? Is it kind of less about regulatory lag, more about rate design and cap structure? And can you remind us what is the actual balance sheet equity ratio for TNMP as of March? Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:20:38Yes. I think it will be rate design primarily. Obviously, we'll look at capital structure as well too. Currently, the capital structure in Canopy is 45% equity. And so those will be the factors. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:20:55But a big part of this rate design, we haven't been in in seven years. This is we're starting our seventh year here. So it's important to get that rate design adjusted. Brian RussoAnalyst at Jefferies00:21:06Okay, good. And then on the TNMP Permian Basin CapEx, it's $750,000,000 but it seems heavily weighted towards 2,030 or half of the CapEx is for that one year. Just curious what your confidence level is on the execution timeline? And then secondarily, are there any maybe indirect upside CapEx for the $7.65 kV projects that are approved, understanding that CNMP is not going to directly participate in the $765,000,000 But just curious if there's any ancillary type CapEx? Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:21:46Yes. On the first part of your question, we are confident and be able to deliver on approximately $750,000,000 of capital. We'll file our CCNs. The Commission has kind of staged those CCNs so that they can come in at times based on the overall design. And so our first set of CCNs will be filed early part of next year. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:22:06We're already down the path of getting and ordering all the equipment that we need associated with it. On the 765kV, not any indirect that we're aware of at this time, but we do look at the overall size of seven sixty five when you look at the whole state as opportunities as we look forward in Texas. Brian RussoAnalyst at Jefferies00:22:30You. Is there still the plan to refinance the remaining parent level debt later this year with equity like securities or junior subordinated notes? Lisa EdenSVP & CFO at TXNM Energy00:22:44Yes, Brian. We're still having that's our plan. Have a term loan. The majority of the term loan is not expiring until mid of next year. And so we have ample of time to refinance that holding company debt with equity like securities. Brian RussoAnalyst at Jefferies00:23:03And then lastly, RFP at PNM, you mentioned 500 megawatts, but is it up to several thousand megawatts by 02/1932? Just trying to book in what the CapEx upside might be at PNM the earliest in early twenty twenty six? Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:23:25Yes. No, absolutely. So when you look at the February to 02/1932 RFP, it was anywhere from 900 megawatts up to 2,900 megawatts depending upon the types of resources that were selected. Brian RussoAnalyst at Jefferies00:23:46Okay, great. Thank you very much. Operator00:23:48Thank you. Thank you. And the next question comes from Michael Longhin with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead. Michael LoneganDirector - Equity Research at Evercore ISI00:23:57Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:24:00Good morning. Michael LoneganDirector - Equity Research at Evercore ISI00:24:01Good Michael LoneganDirector - Equity Research at Evercore ISI00:24:02morning. Just a follow-up on the New Mexico RFP process. Just wondering how is it progressing? Are tariffs making it more complicated? And you talked about the size of megawatts, but can you talk about your targeted ownership there? Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:24:19In New Mexico, follow we have an independent evaluator that participates with us, which is a good thing, because as you kind of work through the process, they file their report with the commission that helps justify the resources that are needed. I think that's important as we go through the RFP process and that's how it's been established. So our timeline is going as expected. There will be abilities for folks to identify based on May 1, so what their resources are and the prices. And working with the independent evaluator, if tariff prices change, those will probably be incorporated, but we'll work jointly with the independent evaluator. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:24:58I don't want to get out in front of that process, because again it's working together. So we will do what's right for customers as it relates to the types of resources and who owns them and who doesn't own them. Michael LoneganDirector - Equity Research at Evercore ISI00:25:12Thanks. And then on the topic of tariffs, what are you seeing as far as the impact as it relates to your capital plan? Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:25:20Yes. Mike, I think Lisa said about 2%. It's in line with what other utilities are saying. It's not real large right now. Michael LoneganDirector - Equity Research at Evercore ISI00:25:30Okay. And then lastly for me, in New Mexico, you've talked about pursuing transmission development to support the growing demand. And I know you have $185,000,000 of transmission build in your current five year CapEx plan. Just wondering what you see as the size of the incremental investment opportunity over the five year period and beyond? Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:25:52Over the five year period because transmission takes a little bit of time to develop, probably just a little bit more. But when you get outside that five year period to kind of give you a feel of these were transmission studies that were done that we presented to the commission last week. When you kind of take into consideration statewide the transmission that needs to be built, it's in the roundabout $4,000,000,000 in transmission, so over that twenty year. Michael LoneganDirector - Equity Research at Evercore ISI00:26:19Thanks for taking my question. Lisa EdenSVP & CFO at TXNM Energy00:26:22Thank you. Operator00:26:24And the next question comes from Anthony Growdell with Mizuho. Please go ahead. Anthony CrowdellManaging Director at Mizuho Financial Group00:26:31Hey, good morning team. I can't believe, Nick really want to get letter Lisa that quick. Lisa EdenSVP & CFO at TXNM Energy00:26:36Just I guess I know, I know. Thank you, Anthony. Anthony CrowdellManaging Director at Mizuho Financial Group00:26:41Yes. I mean, remember I will. I guess just actually following up on one of Nick's questions. Talking about the Texas legislation HB, I think it's 57, I forgot the number, thousand two hundred and forty seven. I believe and it may have been changed and maybe that's my question, but to qualify for that legislation, you had to spend, I thought it was like 3x of depreciation. Anthony CrowdellManaging Director at Mizuho Financial Group00:27:09Is that accurate as the bill stands now, does TNMP, would they qualify under that legislation? Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:27:17Yes, that is correct on the 300% above depreciation and yes TNMP would fit that. Anthony CrowdellManaging Director at Mizuho Financial Group00:27:28Great. And now here's off the beaten path question. Before most calls, you guys usually have like a message in the music that you select before the call. Like after the AGR deal, I think it was like Elton John, I'm Still Standing, and there was like a message there. This is Piano Man, and I didn't get the message. Anthony CrowdellManaging Director at Mizuho Financial Group00:27:51I'm wondering, was there a message or just you guys are big Billy Joel fans? Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:27:56We're big Billy Joel fans. No hidden messages today. Anthony CrowdellManaging Director at Mizuho Financial Group00:28:02Thanks. Thanks for taking my questions. Operator00:28:03Congrats. You. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Pat Kalon for any closing remarks. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:28:25Thank you, Dave, and thank you all for joining us this morning. And as you raise a glass tonight, please raise one to Billy Joel for 76 and PNM for 109. Thank you all. Stay safe.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesLisa GoodmanExecutive Director of Investor RelationsPatricia CollawnChairman & CEODon TarryPresident & COOLisa EdenSVP & CFOAnalystsNicholas CampanellaDirector at BarclaysBrian RussoAnalyst at JefferiesMichael LoneganDirector - Equity Research at Evercore ISIAnthony CrowdellManaging Director at Mizuho Financial GroupPowered by Key Takeaways TXN Energy reported Q1 EPS of $0.19, reaffirmed 2025 guidance of $2.74–$2.84 per share and maintained a long-term EPS growth target of 7–9%. TNMP’s system resiliency plan was approved for $546 million in capital improvements through 2027, and a $750 million Permian Basin reliability build-out was added, supporting a 22% rise in first-quarter peak demand and 70 MW of new data center load. PNM secured unopposed stipulations in its rate review—hearing examiners recommended approval ahead of July 1 rate changes—and in its 2028 resource filing for 450 MW of new capacity (including 150 MW solar+storage), with final decisions expected in Q2 and Q3. New Mexico passed site readiness legislation to pre-build utility infrastructure and created a wildfire task force to develop mitigation strategies, while Texas’s HB 5247 introduced a unified tracking mechanism to reduce regulatory lag for major transmission investments. The company’s five-year capital plan remains intact—growing from $600 million in 2025 to over $1 billion by 2028—with TNMP and PNM preparing an RFP for at least 500 MW of additional capacity in New Mexico by 2030. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallTXNM Energy Q1 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipants Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) TXNM Energy Earnings HeadlinesTXNM Energy (NYSE:TXNM) Downgraded by Wall Street Zen to "Sell"May 25 at 3:25 AM | americanbankingnews.comTXNM Energy (NYSE:TXNM) Price Target Raised to $60.00May 23 at 3:03 AM | americanbankingnews.comTrump’s treachery Trump’s Final Reset Inside the shocking plot to re-engineer America’s financial system…and why you need to move your money now.May 25, 2025 | Porter & Company (Ad)TXNM Energy, Inc. (NYSE:TXNM)’s Acquisition By Blackstone Is “Great,” Says Jim CramerMay 22 at 10:54 AM | insidermonkey.comMizuho Downgrades TXNM Energy (NYSE:TXNM) to HoldMay 22 at 2:39 AM | americanbankingnews.comTXNM ENERGY INVESTOR ALERT by the Former Attorney General of Louisiana: Kahn Swick & Foti, LLC Investigates Adequacy of Price and Process in Proposed Sale of TXNM Energy, Inc. - TXNMMay 21, 2025 | businesswire.comSee More TXNM Energy Headlines Get Earnings Announcements in your inboxWant to stay updated on the latest earnings announcements and upcoming reports for companies like TXNM Energy? Sign up for Earnings360's daily newsletter to receive timely earnings updates on TXNM Energy and other key companies, straight to your email. Email Address About TXNM EnergyTXNM Energy (NYSE:TXNM), through its subsidiaries, provides electricity and electric services in the United States. It operates through Public Service Company of New Mexico (PNM) and Texas-New Mexico Power Company (TNMP) segments. The PNM segment engages in the generation, transmission, and distribution of electricity. The segment owns and leases communications, office and other equipment, office space, vehicles, and real estate. It generates electricity using coal, natural gas and oil, and nuclear fuel and waste, as well as solar, wind, geothermal, and battery storage energy sources. The TNMP segment provides regulated transmission and distribution services. The segment also owns and leases vehicles, service facilities, and office locations throughout its service territory. The company serves residential, commercial, and industrial customers and end-users of electricity in New Mexico and Texas. The company was formerly known as PNM Resources, Inc and changed its name to TXNM Energy, Inc. in August 2024. TXNM Energy, Inc. was founded in 1882 and is based in Albuquerque, New Mexico.View TXNM Energy ProfileRead more More Earnings Resources from MarketBeat Earnings Tools Today's Earnings Tomorrow's Earnings Next Week's Earnings Upcoming Earnings Calls Earnings Newsletter Earnings Call Transcripts Earnings Beats & Misses Corporate Guidance Earnings Screener Earnings By Country U.S. Earnings Reports Canadian Earnings Reports U.K. Earnings Reports Latest Articles Booz Allen Hamilton Earnings: 3 Bullish Signals for BAH StockAdvance Auto Parts Jumps on Surprise Earnings BeatAlibaba's Earnings Just Changed Everything for the StockCisco Stock Eyes New Highs in 2025 on AI, Earnings, UpgradesSymbotic Gets Big Earnings Lift: Is the Stock Investable Again?D-Wave Pushes Back on Short Seller Case With Strong EarningsAppLovin Surges on Earnings: What's Next for This Tech Standout? Upcoming Earnings PDD (5/27/2025)AutoZone (5/27/2025)Bank of Nova Scotia (5/27/2025)NVIDIA (5/28/2025)Synopsys (5/28/2025)Bank of Montreal (5/28/2025)Salesforce (5/28/2025)Haleon (5/28/2025)Costco Wholesale (5/29/2025)Marvell Technology (5/29/2025) Get 30 Days of MarketBeat All Access for Free Sign up for MarketBeat All Access to gain access to MarketBeat's full suite of research tools. Start Your 30-Day Trial MarketBeat All Access Features Best-in-Class Portfolio Monitoring Get personalized stock ideas. Compare portfolio to indices. Check stock news, ratings, SEC filings, and more. Stock Ideas and Recommendations See daily stock ideas from top analysts. Receive short-term trading ideas from MarketBeat. Identify trending stocks on social media. Advanced Stock Screeners and Research Tools Use our seven stock screeners to find suitable stocks. Stay informed with MarketBeat's real-time news. Export data to Excel for personal analysis. Sign in to your free account to enjoy these benefits In-depth profiles and analysis for 20,000 public companies. Real-time analyst ratings, insider transactions, earnings data, and more. Our daily ratings and market update email newsletter. Sign in to your free account to enjoy all that MarketBeat has to offer. Sign In Create Account Your Email Address: Email Address Required Your Password: Password Required Log In or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google Forgot your password? Your Email Address: Please enter your email address. Please enter a valid email address Choose a Password: Please enter your password. Your password must be at least 8 characters long and contain at least 1 number, 1 letter, and 1 special character. Create My Account (Free) or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google By creating a free account, you agree to our terms of service. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good day and welcome to the TXM Energy Q1 twenty twenty five Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Lisa Goodman, Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Lisa GoodmanExecutive Director of Investor Relations at TXNM Energy00:00:39Thank you, Dave, and thank you everyone for joining us this morning for the TXNM Energy first quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. Please note that the presentation for this conference call and other supporting documents are available on our website at txnmenergy.com. Joining me today are TXNM Energy Chair and CEO, Pat Kalan President and Chief Operating Officer, Don Terry and Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Lisa Eaton. Before I turn the call over to Pat, I need to remind you that some of the information provided this morning should be considered forward looking statements pursuant to the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. We caution you that all of the forward looking statements are based upon current expectations and estimates and that TXNM Energy assumes no obligation to update this information. Lisa GoodmanExecutive Director of Investor Relations at TXNM Energy00:01:36For a detailed discussion of factors affecting TXM Energy results, please refer to our current and future annual reports on Form 10 ks, quarterly reports on Form 10 Q as well as reports on Form eight ks filed with the SEC. With that, I will turn the call over to Pat. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:01:56Thank you, Lisa, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today on Billy Joel's seventy sixth birthday. What a better way to celebrate his birthday by kicking our call off with Piano Man. But even more exciting than Billy Joel's birthday is that today is PNM's one hundred and eighth birthday. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:02:19We were founded in 1917 as the Albuquerque Gas and Electric Company. And today, we're celebrating more than a century of serving our customers. So happy birthday to PNM. I'll start on Slide four with our financial results and company updates. Ongoing earnings for the first quarter this year are $0.19 This keeps us on track with our expectations for the year, which reflects the midyear implementation of new rates at PNM. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:02:53We are affirming our guidance for 2025 at a range of $2.74 to $2.84 per share, along with maintaining our long term EPS growth target of seven to 9%. Lisa will cover the numbers in more detail. I'm going to cover a couple of highlights for this quarter before handing things over to Don. Rate base growth at TNMP continues to be supported by timely recovery of our investments. During the first quarter, our system resiliency plan was approved, allowing us to invest and recover $546,000,000 in capital improvements that will enhance our ability to protect our system and respond to extreme weather events in service of our customers. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:03:46In New Mexico, the unopposed stipulation in our rate case continues to move forward. Hearings Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:03:53in Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:03:53the docket were completed in February and in April, the hearing examiners recommended approval of the stipulation. We expect the commission to make a decision in May or June ahead of the July 1 rate implementation date. New Mexico completed this year's legislative session with some key bills signed. The state has seen increased levels of interest in economic development and has identified the need to expedite the build out of infrastructure needed to serve new large customers. The business community rallied around these site readiness bills, which were passed with strong bipartisan support. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:04:37This provides an avenue for electric, gas and water utilities to pre build this infrastructure and is designed to allow New Mexico to become even more competitive in attracting new businesses. Another piece of legislation we supported was the creation of a wildfire task force. The purpose of the task force is to develop a comprehensive approach on how New Mexico can better prevent and respond to wildfires and make recommendations on solutions for this. We see this as a positive step forward in laying the groundwork for future legislation that could help protect our customers, employees and the communities we serve. With that, Don, I'll turn it over to you for more details. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:05:26Thank you, Pat, and good morning, everyone. I'll start on Slide six with TNMP. TNMP has already set a new system peak in the first quarter, coming in 22% higher than last year's first quarter system peak. Demand based load from traditional customers along with data centers had a strong start to the year. Demand based load increased 9.7, largely driven by growth in our North And West Texas regions, where commercial businesses have grown in the areas where data centers have been located. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:06:01Data center load picked up another 70 megawatts in the first quarter. We have a couple of existing customers that are expected to increase their demand up to another 150 megawatts before the end of the year. Interconnection requests were also up 6% compared to the first quarter of last year, with a noticeable uptick in the Gulf Coast area, supporting our continued growth expectations. Pat highlighted the regulatory success TNMP has already seen in the first quarter of this year. Our system resiliency plan was approved with $546,000,000 of capital investments planned through 2027. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:06:40TNMP has filed and received approval for $83,000,000 of transmission rate based investments made last year and the proposed order approving recovery of $176,000,000 of distribution rate based investments pending final approval from the commission this month. At the April, the commission formally approved the common projects in ERCOT's Permian Basin Reliability Study. TNMP will be investing approximately $750,000,000 by 02/1930 to complete our share of these projects, which we added into our capital plans in February. We expect to file CCN's applications for these projects in the first quarter of twenty twenty six. Turning to Slide seven. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:07:28We have not made any additional changes to our five year capital plan from the updates at our year end earnings call in February. Our plan remains focused on supporting the high level of growth in Texas with a reliable and resilient grid. The level of investments grows significantly over the five years of our plan from $600,000,000 this year to over $1,000,000,000 starting in 2028. Rate base grows by 17% and becomes the largest portion of our total rate base. All of the discussions in Texas around ERCOT load forecast and higher voltage transmission line supports the growth embedded in our plans. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:08:07We continue to see good discussions in the Texas legislature on items that help facilitate these growth plans. This year's session ends June 2, so it's too early to know which bills will pass, but there has been some good progress. There were a handful of bills introduced this year aimed at reducing regulatory lag or strengthening credit metrics as capital spending increases. And each of these could benefit TNMP. In addition, we have been having conversations on these same topics with stakeholders as we prepare to file our general rate review later this year. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:08:43There are also utility bills addressing wildfire prevention, ranging from poll inspections to the approval of wildfire mitigation plans. We are pleased that the legislature recognizes the need for some definition around utility responsibility and their associated liabilities and we will be closely following the remaining progress. The upcoming regulatory agenda includes our second TCOS and DCRF filings, and we will look to receive approval on both mechanisms before filing our general rate review in the fourth quarter, which which will kick off the one hundred and eighty day statutory clock. We are targeting the implementation of new rates in Q2 of next year. Let's move on to PNM on Slide eight. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:09:28The Hearing Examiner's recommendation to approve the unopposed stipulation in our rate review is our top highlight. It has been quite some time since we were able to achieve this type of agreement in a rate review. The hearings were originally scheduled for two point five weeks and ultimately were held for two days and provided a good opportunity for hearing examiners and commissioners to ask questions and discuss policy items raised in the filing. We were pleased to see the recommendation and look forward to commission decision in May or June ahead of the implementation in July. We also filed an unopposed stipulation in our 2028 resource filing for four fifty megawatts of resources, including a 150 megawatt solar and storage facility in the central consolidated school district, the same area where the San Juan coal plant was retired. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:10:19This was a key priority for stakeholders. Hearings in these dockets were held in one day and the Hearing Examiner issued their recommendation to approve the stipulation earlier this week. We expect a decision from the commission in the third quarter. As Pat mentioned, New Mexico's sixty day legislative session ended in March and a key priority from the business community was for site readiness. The bill's primary objective allows utilities to prepare sites and build capacity to serve these customers in advance. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:10:49It also shortens the regulatory approval timeline and allows utilities to defer cost until they can be included in a rate case proceeding. These bills have been signed into law and we are excited to see their impact along with the proposals that will come from the wildfire task force. Another bill, HB91 added a key tool that has been missing from rate making. The commission did not have the ability to approve rates specific to low income customers. This will be an important tool that we can be that can be used in our next rate review. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:11:24Turning to Slide nine. I'll cover the current outlook at PNM. Again, we have not made any changes to our five year capital investment plan and we remain focused on balancing the needs of our system with customer rate impacts. One area coming into greater focus for PNM is transmission development. We completed a twenty year transmission study late last year and have been holding discussions with stakeholders, including the commission last week. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:11:51We were able to share details about how additional investments could improve our system and meet the growing demands of our customers along with ways these investments could utilize resources in New Mexico to provide benefits to our customers. We have a number of upcoming items on our regulatory agenda. We will look for a decision on our rate review in Q2 and our 2028 resource application in Q3. We will make our annual update to our FERC formula rates in June. We will also be proposing the build out of two small transmission lines later this year that would improve our ability to serve our customers, perform maintenance on existing lines and facilitate economic development. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:12:33These investments have already been included in our capital plan. We currently have an RFP outstanding for new resources available between 2029 and 02/1932. We forecasted a need of at least 500 megawatts of new capacity by 02/1930, with the actual amount dependent upon the type of resources selected from the independently monitored process. We expect to file a resource application to propose our selected resources at the beginning of next year. Our current capital plan does not include any amounts for this and we will incorporate any new amounts after that application is filed. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:13:11With that, I'll turn it over to Lisa for a few more detailed look at the numbers. Lisa EdenSVP & CFO at TXNM Energy00:13:16Thank you, Don, and good morning, everyone. I'll start on Slide 11 with a recap of first quarter results. Ongoing earnings per share were $0.19 This is consistent with the expectation provided for the first quarter and reflects the absence of new rate recovery of PNM until the second half of the year. Overall earnings benefited from recovery of capital investments through TCOS and DCRF mechanisms at TNMP and retail load growth at both utilities, including the impact of weather. Degree days were higher at TNMP, partially offsetting lower heating degree days experienced in New Mexico. Lisa EdenSVP & CFO at TXNM Energy00:14:01These increases were offset by new demand charges from energy storage agreements implemented at PNM in late twenty twenty four, lower transmission margins, higher insurance premiums and the timing of planned outage costs. Remember that under our unopposed rate stipulation, any changes to our demand charges are deferred to the balance sheet, reducing variability in these costs once the new rate request has been approved. Depreciation, property tax and interest expense associated with new investments increased year over year. Detailed drivers for each of our segments are available in the appendix. We have affirmed our guidance range for 2025 of $2.74 to $2.84 We have updated the quarterly EPS distribution in the appendix to reflect our latest assumptions. Lisa EdenSVP & CFO at TXNM Energy00:15:04The third quarter continues to account for more than half of our EPS for the year. The capital plan on Slide 12 remains the same as the plan we showed at the February. We expect tariffs to have about a 2% impact on these plans as we move forward and we will incorporate any changes into our capital allocation and prioritization process. We are mindful of customer impact and we'll balance this with system needs as we work to mitigate any increases. I'll wrap up with our earnings power on Slide 13. Lisa EdenSVP & CFO at TXNM Energy00:15:46There are no changes from what we disclosed in February, which included a number of incremental capital opportunities and increased our growth targets. We continue to target EPS growth of 7% to 9% from 2025 through 2029, and the earnings power supports the upper half of this range. We feel confident in our ability to execute on this plan. With that, I'll turn it back over to Pat. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:16:17Thank you, Lisa. Before I open it up for questions, I want to take a moment to thank our teams across New Mexico and Texas. These are exciting times for us as we build out our systems and prepare for growth. Our teams are stepping up to the plate, and I am proud to lead these teams and watch our employees grow and succeed. Dave, with that, let's open it up for questions. Operator00:17:05Our first question comes from Nick Campanelli with Barclays. Please go ahead. Nicholas CampanellaDirector at Barclays00:17:14All right. Hey, everyone and happy birthday. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:17:17Thank you. Nicholas CampanellaDirector at Barclays00:17:18Good morning. Good morning. So hey, a lot of good comments on legislation, in your prepared, but just I was just curious this House Bill of 5,247 that's involving the Permian transmission projects. I just wanted to confirm that you would be in scope, for that. And maybe you can kind of talk about how that impacts your earned ROEs in a normal rate year or allows you to maybe accelerate some more capital and how that can impact what's assumed on the TNMP side? Nicholas CampanellaDirector at Barclays00:17:50Thank you. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:17:51Hey, thanks Nick. And you're referring to May '40 '7, House Bill 5,247, the unified tracker? Nicholas CampanellaDirector at Barclays00:17:58Correct. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:17:59Yes. No, we see that as beneficial to TNMP as you are probably very familiar with and others on the call. That allows you to kind of group everything together. It kind of looks and smells a lot like the system resiliency recovery mechanism where you can defer pretty much everything to the balance sheet and earn on it and then bring it in so you eliminate regulatory lag associated with it. So I think the way to think about it is it would be beneficial to TNMP from an EPS perspective. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:18:30Timing of cash flows will be a little bit different because TCOS and TCOS specifically as it relates to Permian Basin, you get to file twice a year but here you'd file it once a year. Nicholas CampanellaDirector at Barclays00:18:44Okay. That's great. Appreciate that. And then look I just want to address that on prior calls when you especially when you came out of the AGR process, you still seem to acknowledge the benefits of size and scale, mostly from a viewpoint of sourcing more efficient capital to finance what is a very large and growing rate plan or large and growing CapEx plan. So just maybe you can kind of give us an updated view on how you're thinking about that today and if anything's kind of changing your mind? Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:19:12No, Nick. The Board still holds the same views that they did that going into an environment of large growth that size and scale can really help with a large capital plan. So nothing has changed there. Nicholas CampanellaDirector at Barclays00:19:26Okay. And then just one last one, if I can. I know Lisa announced the retirement date and the effective date in that was March 15 or no sooner than March 15. So now that we're just in May, maybe just an update on how you're viewing that role as a team? Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:19:42We are enjoying the fact that we still have Lisa Eden Services with us and we're going to celebrate that and when we have news on another CFO we will let everybody know. Nicholas CampanellaDirector at Barclays00:19:57Okay. Thank you. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:19:59Thanks. Operator00:20:02And the next question comes from Julien Dumoulin Smith with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Brian RussoAnalyst at Jefferies00:20:10Yes. Hi. Good morning. It's Brian Russo on for Julien. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:20:13Good morning, Brian. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:20:14Good morning, Brian. Brian RussoAnalyst at Jefferies00:20:16Hey, just on the upcoming TNMP base rate case, what are the major drivers of the case? Is it kind of less about regulatory lag, more about rate design and cap structure? And can you remind us what is the actual balance sheet equity ratio for TNMP as of March? Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:20:38Yes. I think it will be rate design primarily. Obviously, we'll look at capital structure as well too. Currently, the capital structure in Canopy is 45% equity. And so those will be the factors. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:20:55But a big part of this rate design, we haven't been in in seven years. This is we're starting our seventh year here. So it's important to get that rate design adjusted. Brian RussoAnalyst at Jefferies00:21:06Okay, good. And then on the TNMP Permian Basin CapEx, it's $750,000,000 but it seems heavily weighted towards 2,030 or half of the CapEx is for that one year. Just curious what your confidence level is on the execution timeline? And then secondarily, are there any maybe indirect upside CapEx for the $7.65 kV projects that are approved, understanding that CNMP is not going to directly participate in the $765,000,000 But just curious if there's any ancillary type CapEx? Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:21:46Yes. On the first part of your question, we are confident and be able to deliver on approximately $750,000,000 of capital. We'll file our CCNs. The Commission has kind of staged those CCNs so that they can come in at times based on the overall design. And so our first set of CCNs will be filed early part of next year. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:22:06We're already down the path of getting and ordering all the equipment that we need associated with it. On the 765kV, not any indirect that we're aware of at this time, but we do look at the overall size of seven sixty five when you look at the whole state as opportunities as we look forward in Texas. Brian RussoAnalyst at Jefferies00:22:30You. Is there still the plan to refinance the remaining parent level debt later this year with equity like securities or junior subordinated notes? Lisa EdenSVP & CFO at TXNM Energy00:22:44Yes, Brian. We're still having that's our plan. Have a term loan. The majority of the term loan is not expiring until mid of next year. And so we have ample of time to refinance that holding company debt with equity like securities. Brian RussoAnalyst at Jefferies00:23:03And then lastly, RFP at PNM, you mentioned 500 megawatts, but is it up to several thousand megawatts by 02/1932? Just trying to book in what the CapEx upside might be at PNM the earliest in early twenty twenty six? Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:23:25Yes. No, absolutely. So when you look at the February to 02/1932 RFP, it was anywhere from 900 megawatts up to 2,900 megawatts depending upon the types of resources that were selected. Brian RussoAnalyst at Jefferies00:23:46Okay, great. Thank you very much. Operator00:23:48Thank you. Thank you. And the next question comes from Michael Longhin with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead. Michael LoneganDirector - Equity Research at Evercore ISI00:23:57Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:24:00Good morning. Michael LoneganDirector - Equity Research at Evercore ISI00:24:01Good Michael LoneganDirector - Equity Research at Evercore ISI00:24:02morning. Just a follow-up on the New Mexico RFP process. Just wondering how is it progressing? Are tariffs making it more complicated? And you talked about the size of megawatts, but can you talk about your targeted ownership there? Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:24:19In New Mexico, follow we have an independent evaluator that participates with us, which is a good thing, because as you kind of work through the process, they file their report with the commission that helps justify the resources that are needed. I think that's important as we go through the RFP process and that's how it's been established. So our timeline is going as expected. There will be abilities for folks to identify based on May 1, so what their resources are and the prices. And working with the independent evaluator, if tariff prices change, those will probably be incorporated, but we'll work jointly with the independent evaluator. Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:24:58I don't want to get out in front of that process, because again it's working together. So we will do what's right for customers as it relates to the types of resources and who owns them and who doesn't own them. Michael LoneganDirector - Equity Research at Evercore ISI00:25:12Thanks. And then on the topic of tariffs, what are you seeing as far as the impact as it relates to your capital plan? Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:25:20Yes. Mike, I think Lisa said about 2%. It's in line with what other utilities are saying. It's not real large right now. Michael LoneganDirector - Equity Research at Evercore ISI00:25:30Okay. And then lastly for me, in New Mexico, you've talked about pursuing transmission development to support the growing demand. And I know you have $185,000,000 of transmission build in your current five year CapEx plan. Just wondering what you see as the size of the incremental investment opportunity over the five year period and beyond? Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:25:52Over the five year period because transmission takes a little bit of time to develop, probably just a little bit more. But when you get outside that five year period to kind of give you a feel of these were transmission studies that were done that we presented to the commission last week. When you kind of take into consideration statewide the transmission that needs to be built, it's in the roundabout $4,000,000,000 in transmission, so over that twenty year. Michael LoneganDirector - Equity Research at Evercore ISI00:26:19Thanks for taking my question. Lisa EdenSVP & CFO at TXNM Energy00:26:22Thank you. Operator00:26:24And the next question comes from Anthony Growdell with Mizuho. Please go ahead. Anthony CrowdellManaging Director at Mizuho Financial Group00:26:31Hey, good morning team. I can't believe, Nick really want to get letter Lisa that quick. Lisa EdenSVP & CFO at TXNM Energy00:26:36Just I guess I know, I know. Thank you, Anthony. Anthony CrowdellManaging Director at Mizuho Financial Group00:26:41Yes. I mean, remember I will. I guess just actually following up on one of Nick's questions. Talking about the Texas legislation HB, I think it's 57, I forgot the number, thousand two hundred and forty seven. I believe and it may have been changed and maybe that's my question, but to qualify for that legislation, you had to spend, I thought it was like 3x of depreciation. Anthony CrowdellManaging Director at Mizuho Financial Group00:27:09Is that accurate as the bill stands now, does TNMP, would they qualify under that legislation? Don TarryPresident & COO at TXNM Energy00:27:17Yes, that is correct on the 300% above depreciation and yes TNMP would fit that. Anthony CrowdellManaging Director at Mizuho Financial Group00:27:28Great. And now here's off the beaten path question. Before most calls, you guys usually have like a message in the music that you select before the call. Like after the AGR deal, I think it was like Elton John, I'm Still Standing, and there was like a message there. This is Piano Man, and I didn't get the message. Anthony CrowdellManaging Director at Mizuho Financial Group00:27:51I'm wondering, was there a message or just you guys are big Billy Joel fans? Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:27:56We're big Billy Joel fans. No hidden messages today. Anthony CrowdellManaging Director at Mizuho Financial Group00:28:02Thanks. Thanks for taking my questions. Operator00:28:03Congrats. You. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Pat Kalon for any closing remarks. Patricia CollawnChairman & CEO at TXNM Energy00:28:25Thank you, Dave, and thank you all for joining us this morning. And as you raise a glass tonight, please raise one to Billy Joel for 76 and PNM for 109. Thank you all. Stay safe.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesLisa GoodmanExecutive Director of Investor RelationsPatricia CollawnChairman & CEODon TarryPresident & COOLisa EdenSVP & CFOAnalystsNicholas CampanellaDirector at BarclaysBrian RussoAnalyst at JefferiesMichael LoneganDirector - Equity Research at Evercore ISIAnthony CrowdellManaging Director at Mizuho Financial GroupPowered by