Trane Technologies Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Trane Technologies delivered a record second quarter with a 90 bps expansion in adjusted operating margins and 18% growth in adjusted EPS on strong bookings and revenues.
  • Positive Sentiment: Americas commercial HVAC achieved all-time high bookings—up 4% enterprise-wide and over 20% in the Americas—with applied solutions surging 60% quarter-over-quarter and backlog up 6% year-over-year.
  • Negative Sentiment: Residential HVAC revenues fell short, down mid-single digits, due to a near-term R454B refrigerant cylinder shortage, leading to a flat full-year residential outlook versus prior mid-to-high single-digit growth expectations.
  • Positive Sentiment: The company raised full-year guidance to ~8% organic revenue growth and ~$13.05 adjusted EPS (up 16% y/y), with neutral FX impact and proactive tariff mitigation measures.
  • Positive Sentiment: The services business—now one-third of enterprise revenues—sustained low-teens organic growth and delivered margin accretion, maintaining its multi-year low-teens CAGR since 2020.
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Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Trane Technologies Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. My name is Regina, and I will be your operator for the call. The call will begin in a few moments with the speaker remarks and the Q and A session. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session.

Operator

I will now turn the call over to Zach Nagle, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Zachary Nagle
Zachary Nagle
VP - Finance & Investor Relations at Trane Technologies

Thanks, operator. Good morning, and thank you for joining us for Trane Technologies' second quarter twenty twenty five earnings conference call. This call is being webcast on our website at traneotechnologies.com, where you'll find the accompanying presentation. We're also recording and archiving this call on our website. Please go to slide two.

Zachary Nagle
Zachary Nagle
VP - Finance & Investor Relations at Trane Technologies

Statements made in today's call that are not historical facts are considered forward looking statements and are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of federal securities law. Please see our SEC filings for a description of some of the factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from anticipated results. This presentation also includes non GAAP measures, which are explained in the financial tables attached to our news release. Joining me on today's call are Dave Rigneri, Chair and CEO and Chris Kuhn, Executive Vice President and CFO. With that, I'll turn the call over to Dave. Dave?

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Thanks, Zach, and everyone for joining today's call. Please turn to Slide three. I'd like to begin with a few minutes on our purpose driven strategy, which enables our leading financial results. The global demand for energy is increasing at an unprecedented rate, while many areas lack access to reliable power sources. But this is not just a supply equation.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

At Trane Technologies, we see tremendous opportunities on the demand side. In an average building, we estimate a staggering 30% of energy after the meter is wasted. Our solutions are addressing this head on, helping our customers save energy and reduce emissions with a strong return on investment. We are setting the pace for the industry and paving the way to a more sustainable world With our leading innovation, robust customer demand and talented team, we're well positioned to deliver differentiated shareholder value over the long term. Please turn to Slide four.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Q2 was another strong quarter marked by record bookings and revenues, a 90 basis point expansion in adjusted operating margins and 18% growth in adjusted EPS. Our enterprise and Americas commercial HVAC organic bookings reached new all time highs, with increases of 4% and over 20%, respectively. In our Americas commercial HVAC business, we continue to lead the industry by solving our customers' most complex challenges with applied solutions in large, high growth verticals. Notably, orders for applied solutions surged by over 60% in the quarter and are up over 120% on a two year stack. Our commercial HVAC businesses have demonstrated remarkable durability and resilience, achieving compounded growth over multiple years.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Our project pipelines are expanding, underscoring continued opportunities ahead. Our direct sales strategy enables us to capture a significant share of these opportunities and consistently outgrow our end markets. Our backlog remains strong at 7,100,000,000 up 6% compared to year end 2024. While there was a sequential decline from the first quarter of approximately $125,000,000 this was due to expected back backlog reductions in our shorter cycle businesses, mainly residential. Our commercial HVAC book to bill ratio exceeds 100% in all regions, further elevating our global commercial HVAC backlog.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Our services business remains robust, representing one third of our enterprise revenues. We delivered low teens growth in the quarter and have maintained a low teens compound annual growth rate since the inception of Trane Technologies in 2020. We are effectively managing and mitigating all enacted tariffs and inflationary impacts through our world class business operating system. This system includes advanced mechanisms for pricing, supply chain management and scenario planning, which we leverage to offset tariffs, drive market outgrowth and minimize the impact on our customers. As we review the key drivers for the quarter, our results were in line with expectations, with two notable exceptions.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

First, Americas commercial HVAC. This business continues to perform exceptionally well, exceeding our expectations and aligning with our track record of consistent market outperformance. Second, residential HVAC revenues fell short of our expectations due to a near term industry shortage of R454B refrigerant cylinders. However, the strength in our Americas commercial HVAC business more than compensated for this, positively impacting our adjusted EPS for the quarter. Overall, we are confident in raising our full year revenue and EPS guidance, which Chris will cover in more detail shortly.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Please turn to Slide five. In our Americas segment, as we discussed, commercial HVAC continues to deliver standout performance. In the 2025, this business achieved all time high quarterly bookings. In the second quarter, we surpassed this record by nearly $300,000,000 with growth of over 20%. Revenue growth continues to be exceptional, increasing by mid teens on top of a mid-20s growth comp in the prior year.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Our market outgrowth has been consistent, compounding year after year. For perspective, in the second quarter, three year stack commercial HVAC revenues are up approximately 60%, with equipment up approximately 80%, led by Applied. Our growth in Applied Solutions is broad based, aided by market outgrowth in sectors with large CapEx investments, such as data centers and high-tech industrial. These sectors require the most complex applied solutions, and our ability to win more than our fair share of business here adds to our leading growth profile. CapEx spend in these sectors is expected to remain high over the next several years, providing further growth opportunities.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

In addition, Applied Solutions carry strong service revenue tails, generating eight to 10x the equipment sale, meaning the majority of the revenue from our applied growth is still ahead of us. Turning to Residential. Revenues were down mid single digits due to the near term cylinder related headwinds I discussed earlier. However, combining our strong first quarter revenues, up high teens, with our second quarter, our year to date residential revenues are up 3%. Additionally, we saw very strong growth in the 2024, up low teens, which was a multiple of the industry growth rate.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Given the varying business models of mix of two step versus three step distribution across the industry, it's important to look at residential over the long term to get a clear picture of growth trends. In Americas transport refrigeration, bookings were up low single digits while revenues were down low single digits, significantly outperforming end markets, which were down over 30%. In EMEA, commercial HVAC bookings were down low single digits against a tough 20% prior year growth comp. However, two year stack bookings were strong, up high teens. Revenues were up low single digits, impacted by timing of customer shipments from Q2 into the second half.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

EMEA transport organic bookings were down low single digits, while revenues were up low single digits, significantly outperforming end markets, which were down low single digits. In Asia Pacific, the quarter met our expectations. As we approach the anniversary of our tightened credit policies in China, we expect results to improve. The region is on track to meet full year 2025 expectations for flat revenues, with stronger performance in the rest of Asia. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Chris. Chris?

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Thanks, Dave. Please turn to Slide six. This slide underscores our robust second quarter performance.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Organic revenues increased by 7%. Adjusted EBITDA margins expanded by 70 basis points and adjusted EPS rose by 18%. Our services business delivered impressive organic revenue growth, up in the low teens, while our equipment business achieved mid single digit growth despite softer residential results. Please turn to Slide number seven. Our Americas segment delivered 9% revenue growth, driven by our commercial HVAC business.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Adjusted EBITDA margins increased by 120 basis points to 24% marking a record quarterly EBITDA for the segment. Margin expansion was fueled by volume growth, productivity and price realization despite softer residential revenue. In EMEA, revenue growth was up 3% and adjusted EBITDA margin declined by 200 basis points consistent with our expectations. We are doubling down on channel investments and M and A integrations in 2025 to support our growth and position for future opportunities. These strategic investments are impacting margins this year as expected.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

In Asia Pacific, revenue declined by high single digits and adjusted EBITDA margin contracted by two twenty basis points, primarily due to lower volumes in China consistent with our expectations. Now I'd like to turn the call back over to Dave. Dave?

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Thanks, Chris. Please turn to Slide number eight. 2025 is shaping up largely as expected, with modest adjustments in our Americas commercial HVAC and residential outlooks. In residential, we faced temporary headwinds mainly affecting Q2 and 2025 due to the cylinder shortage. We expect this issue to improve in Q3 and be resolved by year end. At this point in the selling season, we also believe it's prudent to factor inventory normalization into the second half outlook.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

The estimated revenue impact of these combined headwinds is roughly $150,000,000 for the second half. We now expect residential revenues to be flat for the full year versus our prior expectations of mid to high single digit growth. We expect to return to a healthy GDP plus framework over the long term. On the positive side, our Americas commercial HVAC business continues to exceed expectations, particularly in complex bespoke applied solutions. Leveraging our best in class operating system and direct sales force, we have consistently outperformed our end markets over multiple years.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

For 2025, we are raising our Americas commercial HVAC outlook from high single digits to low double digits. Overall, while we're addressing temporary challenges in residential, the strength of our commercial HVAC business more than offsets these impacts and provides clear long term benefits for our stakeholders. And now I'd like to turn the call back over to Chris. Chris?

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Thanks, Dave. Please turn to Slide nine. We are raising our revenue guidance to approximately 8% organic growth, up from 7% to 8% previously, and our adjusted EPS to approximately $13.05 up 16% year over year and up from $12.7 to $12.9 previously.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

With the U. S. Dollar softening through the end of Q2, we now expect FX to be neutral for the year. M and A contribution remains unchanged at 100 basis points for the year. We expect to manage and mitigate all enacted tariff impacts through proactive measures, including pricing.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Based on tariffs in place as of July 28, we estimate the cost impact in 2025 to be approximately $140,000,000 roughly half of our estimate provided at the end of the first quarter, and our full year organic revenue growth guidance includes an estimated pricing impact from tariffs. The tariff environment remains dynamic and we will provide updates as appropriate throughout the year. We continue to target organic leverage of 25% or higher for the year, consistent with our long term goals and we anticipate another year of 100% or greater free cash flow conversion. For the third quarter, we expect approximately 6% organic revenue growth and around $3.8 in adjusted EPS consistent with the outlook dynamics Dave highlighted earlier. For additional details related to our guidance, please refer to Slide 16.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

And please turn to Slide 10. We remain committed to our balanced capital allocation strategy focused on deploying excess cash to maximize shareholder returns. First, we strengthen our core business through relentless reinvestment. Second, we maintain a strong balance sheet to ensure flexibility as markets evolve. Third, we expect to deploy 100% of excess cash over time.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Our approach includes strategic M and A to enhance long term returns and share repurchases when the stock trades below intrinsic value. Please turn to Slide 11. Year to date through July, we've deployed approximately $1,500,000,000 through our balanced capital allocation strategy, including $420,000,000 to dividends and approximately $15,000,000 to M and A and $900,000,000 to share repurchases and $150,000,000 for debt retirement. These figures exclude $260,000,000 from M and A and $100,000,000 from share repurchases made earlier in the year, which were included in our full year 2024 capital deployment targets as discussed during our fourth quarter earnings call. We have approximately 5,300,000,000 remaining under repurchase authorizations providing us with significant share repurchase optionality moving forward.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Our M and A pipeline remains active and we will continue to be disciplined in our approach. Overall, our strong free cash flow, liquidity, balance sheet and substantial share repurchase authorization offer excellent capital allocation optionality as we move forward. Now I'd like to turn the call back over to Dave. Dave?

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Thanks, Chris. Please turn to Slide 13. The Americas transport refrigeration markets have been volatile, as have ACT's forecast, but the long term outlook remains strong. For 2026 and 2027, AC projects a strong rebound with greater than 20% growth each year. We're managing well through the down cycle.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

We continue to invest in innovation, and we look forward to adding another significant growth driver to our enterprise portfolio in 2026 and beyond. Please go to Slide 14. In summary, we have the optimal strategy, team and capabilities to deliver leading financial performance in 2025 and beyond. Our uplifting, inclusive culture helps us attract the best talent in the market, powering our innovation. Our solutions offer strong returns to customers and also contribute to a sustainable world.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

This drives our consistent track record of leading financial performance and positions us to deliver differentiated shareholder value over the long term. And now we'd be happy to take your questions. Operator?

Operator

Our first question comes from the line of Chris Snyder with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Chris Snyder
Chris Snyder
Executive Director at Morgan Stanley

Thank you. I wanted to ask on commercial HVAC, specifically in The Americas. Obviously, this business has been strong for a number of years, but the Q2 order acceleration was really a standout, kind of 20% plus versus low to mid single digit in the prior quarters. So can you maybe just kind of talk about what end markets are driving that acceleration? Are you seeing a broadening of the strength?

Chris Snyder
Chris Snyder
Executive Director at Morgan Stanley

And do you think commercial HVAC could be getting better?

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Yeah. Hey, Chris. Thanks for the question. This is Dave. I'll start, let Chris add in.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Look. We had an exceptionally strong results in q two twenty twenty five for, for our commercial HVAC business here in The Americas. You said at all time high, bookings up over 20%. I would also tell you revenue was very strong. It was up in the fifteenth.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

We got two years back. Bookings are up over 40%. You know, it's led by applied. Our applied solutions were up over 60% in the quarter. Our two year stack applied is up over a 120%.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

So, yeah, we we are we are executing extremely well in that business. And I would tell you to your question, it's really broad based growth once again. And, yeah, sure. We had some nice strength in health care. We had nice strengths in government.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

We had strength in data centers. We had strength in, you know, higher ed. But as I look across the 14 verticals that we track, I would tell you the majority of them were positive, which you would expect from Trane Technologies with our direct sales force with expertise across all of these verticals. So look, that team continues to execute well. And I would just before I turn it over to to Chris, the pipeline of activity, we do a lot of work tracking pipelines, and I would tell you that that remains very, very strong.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

And the last point I'll make is, you know, our services business, once again, here we are at, you know, low teens growth. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone because our compound annual growth rate really since the inception of Trane Technologies has been in that same range. So very strong, and I'm very proud of what that team's been able to accomplish. Chris, I don't know if you have anything you wanna add.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

I'll add on the bookings and the revenue growth. If you remove data centers from the vertical, very strong growth ex data centers in both revenues and bookings. So we like that growth in data centers. We were strong in data centers in the quarter, but you remove that, very strong growth as well.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Yeah. The only other thing I would add, Chris, because I know a typical question is as well, what happened with applied and unitary? And obviously, had a lot of strength in applied, but I would tell you both were positive. So applied was stronger than unitary. But as you would expect, because of the broad based growth that we're seeing, we're serving, know, again, all the verticals, and, some of those verticals are more dominated with, unitary product versus supply.

Chris Snyder
Chris Snyder
Executive Director at Morgan Stanley

No. Thank you. I really appreciate that. Super supportive to to to hear about the broadening. But I did kinda wanna follow-up on on what does that mean for the service flywheel.

Chris Snyder
Chris Snyder
Executive Director at Morgan Stanley

You know, in the past, Dave, you've talked about, you know, maybe a two year rough lag between, you know, when the equipment, starts driving service revenue. And if we look at commercial HVAC equipment, is top line accelerated in '23 and '24, you know, kind of versus where was that previously? So so what does that mean, you know, kind of for the outlook for service, into the back half of the year? And then any color on what's, implied for that the back half service growth guide? Thank you.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Well, you're spot on. Right? Our service business is really built around our applied portfolio. It doesn't mean we don't service unitary, but it's really built around our applied portfolio. And we model that it's eight to 10 times versus the equipment price, what we'll get over services over the life of that asset.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

So as this it's a compounding effect. Right? So you could see that our growth has really been quite substantial for a number of years, and that compounding is now starting to impact our service business. So look. We're at the low teens.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

I'm not gonna commit more than that because I think that's very healthy. But we have a we're putting a lot of investments in our service business, and it's a it's a third of our company. And I would tell you it's very, very resilient, and it's it's got a lot of upside in the future. Chris, I don't know if you wanna add anything.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Yeah. And as you described services on a regional basis, the margins with services are accretive to the segment margins of each of our regions. And to your point, Chris, yes, it takes maybe a couple of years post warranty to start seeing the inflection point of revenues, but we're connected to those customers from day one. We're making sure maintenance is getting performed, executing to service plans and that five year CAGR now of low double digit services growth gives us a lot of confidence that revenue is really in front of us when we think about these applied bookings today.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Yes. Just one other point is if you think about it today, right, services roughly if you go to our commercial HVAC business, think of it half equipment, half services. Another thing that's really accelerating services is these whole these connected solutions. And, you know, we were talking about the other day. I had a meeting on how many connected buildings do we have with Brainbox included in that equation.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

We're up to over 60,000 connected buildings and millions of connected assets. So now we're able to have a lot of structured data that we've had as as Trane Technologies adding on Brainbox. We're now starting to augment that with some the unstructured data, and it's you know, as far as the energy efficiency that we're able to achieve in buildings now, it's not only getting the building to to operate the way it was designed, it's how can we even do better than that versus how the building is actually being utilized? So it's a very exciting time at Trane Technologies, specifically in our services business.

Chris Snyder
Chris Snyder
Executive Director at Morgan Stanley

Thank you. Appreciate all the information.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Sure. Thanks, Chris. Our

Operator

next question comes from the line of Julia Mitchell with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Julian Mitchell
Equity Research Analyst - US Industrials at Barclays Investment Bank

Hi, good morning. Maybe just first off wanted to try and understand the second half Americas organic sales growth outlook a little bit better. So I suppose is the sort of Americas framework, it's kind of high single digit organic growth both Q3 and Q4. And then you have resi and transport down mid single in both quarters year on year. Is that the right way to think about that guidance?

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Julien, it's Chris. Yes, we've guided the third quarter to 6% organic revenue growth. And then the implied guidance for the fourth quarter would be in that nine ish percent range. But think about commercial HVAC Americas being very consistent Q3 and Q4, really up low double digits in both quarters. It's a tougher compare actually in the third quarter to prior year results in commercial HVAC up high teens, an easier compare in the fourth quarter for commercial HVAC up mid teens a year ago.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

But think of that business as continuing execute. We've got a lot of visibility in the backlog to when projects need to be shipped and revenue. So we see that being consistent across the quarters. Think of transport probably more down in the third quarter. As Dave explained, those markets continue to be under pressure.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Maybe that's a little more flattish in the fourth quarter. And then residential, we've in the second half of the year taken about $150,000,000 of revenue out in the second half. Think of that as more in the third quarter than the fourth quarter. So we're expecting residential to be down more in that high single digit range for Q3 and we'll sequentially do better in the fourth quarter. So probably that gives you little bit of context around the Americas segment.

Julian Mitchell
Equity Research Analyst - US Industrials at Barclays Investment Bank

That's great. Thank you, Chris. And then my second question I suppose just following up on that residential side of things sort of help us understand on the cylinder point the sort of progress on getting that resolved. And beyond that supply chain issue I suppose on the demand side are you seeing any change in customer behavior around sort of mixing down or repair versus replace? Anything on the competitive side shifting?

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Yes. Julien, how are you? This is Dave. Look. You know, we started the year in q one very strong in residential.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

We were up in the, you know, the high teens. The second quarter was down six. The year to date, we're we're up three. Look. We have a very, very high concentration in our inventory channels of four fifty four b product.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

And when we had a bottleneck that occurred really towards the the April, we were impacted. We reacted quickly. We've been overcharging units from the factory since May. We're working very closely with the suppliers of the refrigerants, so we know what they have committed to us. We know what they have committed to the industry.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

I mean, I guess the the good news is, yeah, it was an impact. It's isolated. Okay? And as we sit here on the what's it? The July 30, I would say that, you know, if it we could argue whether it's 90% or or 95% of this is behind us.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

But we're looking forward, and, you know, we'll get this business back to what our framework is, which over the long term, which is a GDP plus business. In the second half, we're forecasting inventory coming out of the channel. And we talked about having high inventory at the end of first quarter. Unfortunately, that inventory is still there as we exited the second quarter. So that will burn through.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

And as Chris said, that'll be more of an impact in q three versus q four. On your question on repair versus replace, look, it was probably a difficult quarter to to, you know, be able to decipher what's happening there with the bottleneck and refrigerant. We'll we'll see what happens as the year progresses, but we haven't seen anything. But, again, I think it was probably the it was not the optimal quarter to see if that's actually moving more to repair versus replace, but we're we're obviously watching that very closely. The last thing I'll say on residential is, and I I know you heard me say this at the end of the first quarter when we had high teens growth, look at residential over the long term.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Right? There's a lot of different models out there as far as how we satisfy this channel, two step, three step. And you could have one one one competitor look like they're gaining share and then losing share. Look at the long term and look at the growth trends over the long term. And the good news is, as we look forward to getting back to our framework, which is a GDP plus business.

Julian Mitchell
Equity Research Analyst - US Industrials at Barclays Investment Bank

That's great. Thank you, Dave.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Thanks, Julian.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Scott Davis with Melius Research. Please go ahead.

Scott Davis
Chairman, CEO & Founding Partner – Multi-Industry Research at Melius Research LLC

Hey, good morning, guys. Dave and Chris are

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Hey, Scott. How are you? Good morning.

Scott Davis
Chairman, CEO & Founding Partner – Multi-Industry Research at Melius Research LLC

Good. It's getting a broken record, but congrats again on the numbers and such.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Thanks, Scott.

Scott Davis
Chairman, CEO & Founding Partner – Multi-Industry Research at Melius Research LLC

A couple a couple little ones. I mean, your incrementals sequentially went up from kind of 25 to 32%. Was that mostly just a mix or was there timing on investment spend or any other kind of things that impacted that?

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Scott, it's Chris. I'll start. I mean in the quarter nice growth in our services business, right? We like the margins in services. Really good productivity in the factories and it's a hallmark to make sure that we're offsetting other inflation with productivity and that was strong in the quarter.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

And then even the volume growth, we got strong leverage on that. So all in, really just managing the full P and L here in the second quarter, but gives us a lot of confidence that the full year will be 25% or better incrementals.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Yes. But don't think that we haven't stopped investing, Scott, because we continue to invest at a very high level back into the business. It's all about future growth.

Scott Davis
Chairman, CEO & Founding Partner – Multi-Industry Research at Melius Research LLC

Yeah. Understood. Guys, you seem more confident in, the China outlook this quarter than back in April. Has the entire market adjusted? I mean, know your US competitors have followed suit with pricing terms and credit and such down payments, etcetera.

Scott Davis
Chairman, CEO & Founding Partner – Multi-Industry Research at Melius Research LLC

But has the have your foreign competitors adjusted in suit? And has there been a kind of a reset of that market with at more favorable terms for you guys?

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

I think it's mixed. I mean, the the good news there is, look, in Asia, we've really it really met our expectations. We think the full year is gonna be flat. It's a smaller part of our business, as you know. But the good news is, look, we're our anniversary of our tightened credit policy is upon us, so the the comps certainly get easier.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

But with that said, our team, if you look at the sequentials, right, and we spent a lot of time analyzing this, the sequentials are improving. Now you gotta take seasonality out of that, but the sequentials are improving from when we first put in these new credit policies to where we are today. So look, we're very confident in saying that Asia will be flat for the year. And the good news is, our our China credit policies have had a one year birthday, so, we're moving forward.

Scott Davis
Chairman, CEO & Founding Partner – Multi-Industry Research at Melius Research LLC

Okay. Fair enough. I'll pass it on. Thank you, guys.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Hey, Scott. Scott, I love your videos too. Keep it up. Okay? I'll try. Thanks. Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Amit Mehrotra with UBS. Please go ahead.

Amit Mehrotra
Amit Mehrotra
MD & Head - Industrial Sector at UBS Group

Thanks. Good morning, Dave, Chris. How are you?

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Good. How are you?

Amit Mehrotra
Amit Mehrotra
MD & Head - Industrial Sector at UBS Group

Good. I I guess, Chris, we're moving to the higher end of the CapEx range. Do do we think the higher CapEx translates to kind of a burning burning of the backlog? Or you still expect backlog to stay elevated? And just kind of related to that, I think, you know, 50% of the product revenue is sitting in backlog today.

Amit Mehrotra
Amit Mehrotra
MD & Head - Industrial Sector at UBS Group

So just curious in terms of how much visibility does that give you actually into 2026 from where we stand today.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Yes. Our backlog remains elevated through the end of the second quarter. And our expectation, Amit, is that it's going to remain elevated through the balance of this year going into next year. We're building backlog already for 2026 and beyond. We've got about $2,500,000,000 in backlog for 2026 and beyond at this point in time.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

So it's giving us some good visibility to next year. But with lead times really coming in over the last eighteen months, twenty four months, you're seeing orders getting placed at roughly a time that's maybe only six months away, nine months away from when deliveries go out, especially in the applied space. So really, it then refers to what Dave talked about on pipelines, making sure we have really good insight on the pipelines and those continue to be growing. So, yeah, I think backlog will remain elevated. And right now, it's actually over 90% of our backlog is commercial HVAC globally, and the majority of that's applied. The good the good news of

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

it is we we were kinda early in the CapEx investing in capacity. And now with the really the surge in our applied business, we're able to meet our customers' expectations from a delivery standpoint. So no issues there.

Amit Mehrotra
Amit Mehrotra
MD & Head - Industrial Sector at UBS Group

Got it. That's helpful. And then just, Dave, just one one follow-up on growth in in data centers and and how that's that growth piece is kind of evolving. I mean, we're obviously some of these next generation chips are proliferating now more than they were before. I I noticed you guys talked about kind of expanding your liquid cooling product last last month, I think, if if I saw that correctly.

Amit Mehrotra
Amit Mehrotra
MD & Head - Industrial Sector at UBS Group

Can you just talk about I know you guys are very well positioned in that vertical, and you've been doing it for a long time. But in terms of the fastest growing parts within the data center, can you just talk about how you guys are positioned there?

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Yeah. I mean, I think that the data center vertical and I've been saying this for years now. It's it's one of those verticals that moves really, really fast from a technology standpoint. And, you know, we're we're we're on it. Right?

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

We're constantly working with the data center customers, which I can't name by name, but they're constantly in our labs, and and we're working together. So, yeah, we did introduce a CDU as part of the solution. Our obviously, our water cooled, air cooled portfolio is is extremely important there. Our air handling systems are very important there. Different aspect ratios of those air handling systems are very important there.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

We like to look at things at a system level. Okay? And when you do that, you start to see where the opportunities are. And, you know, customers these customers want a strong partner, and they want differentiation. I mean, I was telling a group the other day, we did a project in Australia, and I I can't see who it was with.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

But, you know, we measure efficiencies of systems by the the COP or coefficient of performance. And we were able to get a coefficient of performance for this customer in Australia, very large data center. The COP was north of 10, and that that was, like, unheard of. If if I told someone that four years ago, they'd think I was kidding them. Right?

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

So this is these are the types of innovations that, you know, our very clever, you know, experienced engineering teams are are able to develop with, you know, these data center customers. So, look, we're excited about data centers, but we're more than just data centers. You could tell that by our broad based growth.

Amit Mehrotra
Amit Mehrotra
MD & Head - Industrial Sector at UBS Group

Okay. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Thanks, Matt. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Andy Kaplowitz with Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Andrew Kaplowitz
Andrew Kaplowitz
Managing Director at Citi

Hey. Good morning, everyone.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Hey, Andy. How are you?

Andrew Kaplowitz
Andrew Kaplowitz
Managing Director at Citi

Good. How are you? Good. Dave or Chris, someone asked about margin, but I want to ask it maybe slightly different way. Like your organic leverage was impressive despite Asia Pacific and European margins down.

Andrew Kaplowitz
Andrew Kaplowitz
Managing Director at Citi

And I think Q2's America margin was the highest we've seen from Trane. So I'm just trying to figure out when during the Americas performance is. I know you said you want to continue to invest, but there's a lot going on mix up, better productivity, you're burning more complex large applied jobs. I'm trying to figure out if they're accretive or not. So maybe just all this interplay, the durability of this Americas performance moving forward.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Andy, I'll start. Look, think the old tape of the mix of businesses having different margins hopefully that puts us finally to rest as you think about the commercial HVAC performance in the quarter and what we were able to perform there. But I really think it's across the P and L in terms of where we saw the benefits and the leverage. The strong productivity, good incrementals on volumes, price over inflation on a dollar basis and a percentage basis, but also making sure we're making the investments in the business. So I think the second quarter is really kind of following the same playbook.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Margins came in a little bit ahead, but healthy leverage there. And again the services business continues to drive margin accretion as part of a third of the portfolio of the enterprise. So we've not changed the formula. The investment flywheel continues and we just say that we're really confident that we'll have growth on the full year.

Andrew Kaplowitz
Andrew Kaplowitz
Managing Director at Citi

That's helpful, Chris. And then Dave, I think you guys mentioned that your light unitary business is still doing reasonably well, which is a bit of a contrast versus some of your peers. So I know it's difficult to draw lines between larger unitary and applied. But maybe talk about sort of that particular end market and why Trane is outperforming.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Well, I I look. First of all, I think the unitary market is gonna be much softer than the applied market, at least here in the in The Americas. But look, we we continue to you know, we're performing well, really. I mean, as I said, applied was much stronger than unitary. Both were positive.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

That's a good thing. And and, Eddie, I think it really goes to the focus we have on the broad base of the verticals that we're we're servicing. There's some verticals that have, you know, more of a concentration around unitary solutions. And with the direct sales force and being able to have expertise within our regional offices, we're able to, you know, capture where those growth opportunities are. So, it's it's really just good execution.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

I would say, you know, we're now into the kind of the the book and burn kind of side of that unitary with the replacement market with high heat. So we'll see how the year, you know, finishes out. But we're we're happy with our performance right now, really, across our commercial HVAC businesses, but but certainly here in The Americas.

Andrew Kaplowitz
Andrew Kaplowitz
Managing Director at Citi

Appreciate the color, Dave.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

All right. Thanks, Sandy.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Joe Ritchie with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Joe Ritchie
Joe Ritchie
Managing Director at Goldman Sachs

Hey, guys. Good morning.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Hey Joe, how are you? Good morning.

Joe Ritchie
Joe Ritchie
Managing Director at Goldman Sachs

Doing great, thanks. Hey, Chris, can you maybe just unpack the guidance increase? So $0.25 at the midpoint and it seems like, look, FX is about a nickel. But are you and you're only increasing your organic growth by 50 basis points. So is this just going to be better margins, better performance in the first half? Just help me unpack like the $0.25 number.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Yeah. We are last guide for the year was $12.7 to $12.9 and we said we were really at the higher end of that range three months ago, Joe. So raising it to $13.5 on the full year, You know, think about that as, you know, taking the Q2 beat and then some and passing it through. FX was probably around, you know, in that range of what you're talking about. But it really is the operational performance in the business that, I think we like putting out guidance that we can meet or achieve or exceed.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

And the fact is the operational performance really led by commercial HVAC and the execution in the team is really driving performance and how we think about the outlook for the balance of the year. On revenues, think about it as to get to the 8% on the full year versus where we were three months ago, think of it as a stronger commercial HVAC Americas business. We're taking that guidance up to low double digits in terms of revenue growth. Residential, think prudently we've reduced the revenues around $300,000,000 on the full year. That's about a rough point and a half at the enterprise.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

So it's a subtraction. And then we're layering in plus and minus, you know, tariff pricing where we're really trying to thread the needle between the price cost equation there on pricing to really offset the cost, starting with mitigating the cost, but then ultimately trying to price for any residual. So that's really the puts and takes on the top line and then a lot of confidence on the operational performance here driving comfort in raising the bottom line.

Joe Ritchie
Joe Ritchie
Managing Director at Goldman Sachs

Got it. That makes a lot of sense, Chris. And then maybe just my follow-up. Dave, going back to your comments earlier about getting back to being a GDP plus business on the residential side of things, I know it's early, but as you're kind of thinking through maybe beyond this year and and, this this whole, you know, some of the noise that we're experiencing here because of the refrigerant change. When you start thinking about 2026, is that a year where we start getting back potentially to GDP plus from a from a volume standpoint on Resi HVAC? And then also, just how are you thinking about pricing? There's a lot of pricing that went into the system. And and, like, the, you elasticity of your of your dealer network or customers ultimately taking on additional price in resi.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Yeah. Look. First of all, I think we had an isolated incident in q two, number one. Right? And we didn't see that coming.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

I don't think the industry saw that coming. But so there's no structural problems within residential, and people need to really understand that. And we've been saying for a while that this is a, you know, GDP So look. There's a lot of noise out there in 2025. A lot of change happening there. A little bump in the road here in q two.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

We believe we're gonna get back to a GDP plus business. And I'll give you a more definitive answer when we get our when we report our fourth quarter, we talk about the guide for 2026. But, look, overall, this is a good business, and don't let the noise confuse you. It's a good solid business. We do well here.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

And this is going to get back on track here. And like I said, there's no structural problems within the industry.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Steve Tusa with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Steve Tusa
Steve Tusa
Managing Director at JP Morgan

Hi, good morning.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Steve, how are you? Good morning.

Steve Tusa
Steve Tusa
Managing Director at JP Morgan

Good. Thanks as always for the details. Can you just maybe hash out for resi what your price and mix expectations are for the back half? And then just help us parse out, I think you guys said 75,000,000 to $100,000,000 in pre buy last year. Maybe square that with the 150,000,000 number?

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Let me start with your first question, residential. So we're expecting in the second half if I remove the four fifty four B impact from volumes, which is really how we started the year in thinking about it, but if we really want to isolate volume impact from price, then we're expecting volumes to be down in the second half, more so in the third quarter based on how that $150,000,000 of revenue reduction in the second half, that is more Steve in the third quarter than it is in the fourth quarter. But we expect both quarters to see some volume reduction in the second half. Dave talked about having to get some of that inventory out of the channel as well. So we think that that's prudent.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Pricing is in that double digit range, low double digit range. So net net it's a reduction in the second half and that gets you to roughly flattish on residential for the full year.

Steve Tusa
Steve Tusa
Managing Director at JP Morgan

Right. Because your mix yeah.

Steve Tusa
Steve Tusa
Managing Director at JP Morgan

Because your mix is included in that volume. Right? That's the way you guys report it. The the mix is kind of included in your volume discussion.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Well, that that's how we started it. But if I remove that mix from volume and I say, okay. Let's just put the isolate volume.

Steve Tusa
Steve Tusa
Managing Director at JP Morgan

Got it. Got it.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Volumes are down. Right? I just think that was prudent to maybe talk about it that way this time around.

Steve Tusa
Steve Tusa
Managing Director at JP Morgan

Yep. Okay. And and the 75 to a 100,000,000, that pre buy, that that came, I I don't quite recall that. That came mostly in the fourth, correct, last year that you guys had estimated?

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Think of think of it as a $100,000,000 Right? And if you remember in q one, we had a very strong q one, but we said the $100,000,000 is still there. I think we probably replaced the 04/10 with the four fifty four product, which is obviously that's where we had the bottleneck that occurred. But we believe that our inventory in that independent wholesale distributor channel is still at an elevated level. Think of it in the 100 to 125 range.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

And there's still a bit of noise with the 54 B canister replacement. So that's how you get to the 150, Steve, roughly.

Steve Tusa
Steve Tusa
Managing Director at JP Morgan

Got it. Got it. And then just one last quick one on services. Really good, obviously, growth rate in the low double digits. It's decelerating a bit from the mid teens you guys did last year.

Steve Tusa
Steve Tusa
Managing Director at JP Morgan

I think the HVAC cycle really picked up a couple of years ago. Is there anything moving around that is influencing that? You said two years from the pickup, you'd start to see an acceleration. Is there anything going on outside of this chiller tail, if you will, in services? And I guess the implication is, is that low double digit number that you're seeing today, does that accelerate because of all the, applied stuff that you're putting in there now?

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Well, we like to see accelerate things. Look, I think the only first of all, we're very happy with our service business. We're investing a lot in it. It is a third of the company, and it's had stellar performance really over a long period of time. If I had to say what's changing there, it really comes to these connected solutions, Steve.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

You know, I think you were early on, we explained to you about how being connected to the asset, you know, like a 100 you know, think of it as continuous commissioning. That has now really started to accelerate. So, hopefully, that becomes more of a flywheel in the future, and we have a lot of people working on it. It's part of the some of the big investments that we're making there to make sure that we can ensure that this, you know, 30% of energy after the meter, we estimate that number to be very conservative is being wasted. Right?

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

And we know we have solutions today that can solve that. And I think as the price of energy continues to escalate, that's gonna become more relevant to everyone, and it also provides great, great paybacks for our solutions. So I think that you're gonna hear more of that in the future. I know you're hearing it from Trane Technologies, but you're gonna hear more of that in the future because the demand side does not get enough attention. We wanna talk a lot about the supply side, the demand side.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Okay? If we're wasting precious energy, that is something that we can solve relatively quickly. And provides for customers.

Steve Tusa
Steve Tusa
Managing Director at JP Morgan

Right. So, yeah, it's good growth. It's good growth. 12% is very good growth, obviously. Thanks a lot for the details.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Thanks, Jeff. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Sprague with Vertical Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Jeffrey Sprague
Founder & Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners

Hey, thanks. Good morning, everyone. Hope you're doing well.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Hey, How are you?

Jeffrey Sprague
Founder & Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners

Doing great. Thanks. Maybe just a few nits to wrap up here on my side. Just hey, Chris, back to your comment about resi pricemix low double digit. I would have thought mix itself was maybe 10 ish.

Jeffrey Sprague
Founder & Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners

Can you just give us a little bit more color on kind of the mix effect you're getting and then what kind of price you're actually getting on top of that?

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Yes. I just put a price mix together, Jeff, and that's up the low double digits here in the second half. That'd be inclusive of what we're seeing on four fifty four B and otherwise. So mix is obviously a part of that, but I just put it together.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Okay.

Jeffrey Sprague
Founder & Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners

And then just on tariffs again, Chris. So you mentioned your margin positive in the quarter on tariffs. I don't know if that was a tariff isolated number or a total kind of inflation number. But do you see do your expectations for the balance of the year imply that you remain margin accretive on inflation?

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Yeah, Jeff. My comment was really around just price and inflation all in. So think about inflation not just being tariffs, but as we think about our commodities, our Tier one or Tier two and just making sure that price is staying ahead of inflation part of our business operating system. That was my comment there. On tariffs, look, was pretty modest, almost immaterial impact here in the second quarter.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

The pricing on tariffs, what we knew as a Monday holds, it's very dynamic as we all know with negotiations ongoing. That'll ramp as it moves throughout the year. The goal is still to keep mitigating the actual impact, but we know that if there is a net impact, we're going to have to plan is to price for it. So don't think of it as its margin accretive on tariffs. We're going to thread the needle to make sure that it is margin neutral on a dollar basis.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

We don't want this to become a profit center, but that may take a little bit of time to get there. But ultimately, that's our target and still executing to that. Our

Operator

next question comes from the line of Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Deane Dray
Deane Dray
Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets

You. Good morning, everyone.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Hey, Dean. How are you? Doing

Deane Dray
Deane Dray
Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets

really well. Thank you. Hey, I'm really interested in how many times this revenue multiplier has been talked about on the call, the eight to 10 times over the economic life of the business. How does that vary by either by region or or probably more by application? You know? Yeah.

Deane Dray
Deane Dray
Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets

I would imagine data center's gotta be the highest given how complex and redundancy they have, but maybe it's more how much connected the, the systems are, like that continuous commissioning. So how does that vary, the eight to 10, and might it go higher the more connected the customer is?

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

I don't see it go more more higher. Okay? I think the the higher would be on the energy savings, and it'd probably be a different different revenue stream that would be in the future on the digital side. On the eight to 10, think of it as it doesn't really vary by region. It would vary by product.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Okay? So think of it as, you know, the more sophisticated chillers are in that eight to 10 range. Obviously, unitary, we're not including that when we say that because and that's not the focus of our service business, but don't think of it as a regional variation. Think of it more as a product variation. And, you know, we're obviously very strong in the the chiller portfolio, and that's a big part of our service business.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

So that's where we would see this eight to 10 times tail.

Deane Dray
Deane Dray
Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets

That's really helpful. And just a follow-up on data center, you divided up your commercial, made a reference between data center and non data center. Your competitor yesterday did the same thing. How did data center do in the quarter? So and what kind of growth rate are you expecting for the year for that vertical?

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Yeah. Dean, it's it's a great question. We're we're not gonna size it there. We we haven't sized our data center business for various competitive reasons. But I I think, you know, when I think about the applied bookings, and that's where data center bookings would go into, I think we're getting more than our fair share.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

And I think it really comes down to innovation. It comes down to those relationships that Dave talked about and having the the direct sales force that stays connected with these customers over a long period of time to innovate for the solutions today and then what they wanna bring in two to three years' time. So the hundred and twenty percent two year stack of applied bookings is really indicative of our strength across all the verticals. And just important to highlight, it's not just data centers. And we don't want it to solely be that.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

These are verticals that have ebbs and flows and we like having the broad based growth. So we're there when these verticals, if they're slower now and they return, we like having that sales force direct and exposed to that. So that's why we just keep investing fully in our services business to make sure we're ready after the applied business comes in, we've got the ability to execute on services.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Nigel Coe with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Nigel Coe
Managing Director at Wolfe Research, LLC

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. I promise you no more resi questions. I think we've beaten that dead horse to

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

to Nigel, was gonna ask you what you have in your home, but you probably won't tell me.

Nigel Coe
Managing Director at Wolfe Research, LLC

I'm not gonna disclose that information. It's confidential information, but I'll tell you offline. So here we go. So just want to pick up on the last question around the applied the board based strength and you called out education and health care. And education, we've had a lot of angst around the ESS funding, enough muni bond issuance, etcetera. And health care, we know hospitals have got a lot of funding pressures. So just curious, specifically within those two end markets, do you think is driving the continued strength in order patents?

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Yeah. Well, education, we've been saying for a while, look, just because ESSER funding is is well, it's not behind us from a revenue stream, but it's behind us from an order stream. Don't assume that market's gonna fall off a cliff because if anything, it kinda heightened demand for how underinvested in the infrastructure is of many of the schools around the certainly here in in The United States. So look. We still see activity there, but we see really strong growth in the higher ed side of things.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

And this is really where, you know, the the the the universities are using their physical space and how they control that physical space as a way to attract students into their organization. And if you ever had the opportunity to go on a tour, they'll talk about that, about their, you know, their dormitories and how they're conditioned and what they're doing for indoor air quality. So we're seeing a lot of demand there. And as you would expect, that's right in our sweet spot. These are usually complex systems.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

And in some cases, they're retrofitting buildings that are extremely aged. And the the solution sometimes become more complicated than you may imagine. But we're doing really, really well there.

Nigel Coe
Managing Director at Wolfe Research, LLC

Well, I'm going through that process with my second boy now, so I'll definitely keep my ears up for the for that indirect quality. I was I was kinda hoping you're gonna talk about heat electrification of heat.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

A separate question a separate call. You could tell me what what schools you're going to, I'll let you know. Okay?

Nigel Coe
Managing Director at Wolfe Research, LLC

Okay. Well, let's let's have that call. But I was kinda hoping you can talk about maybe sort of electrification of heat, maybe maybe touching on in a separate question. But in China, I know it's not a huge business for you, but we're seeing just broad based another step down it seems in China, which might not be a big surprise based on the stats we're seeing from the market there. But just maybe talk about what you've seen in China and more importantly around pricing, around credit quality and things like that.

Nigel Coe
Managing Director at Wolfe Research, LLC

Just wondering what if there could be some risks going forward in China?

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Nigel, I'll start. It's Chris. Look, the Asia region makes up around 7% of our enterprise revenues and half of that would be China, half of that would be rest of Asia and think of that as 10 plus countries that we operate in. We're seeing the slower markets in China and to Dave's point, it was a year ago that we implemented the tighter credit policies there. And now starting in the 2025, we've got comps that are comparable to that credit policy implementation from a year ago.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

So we think from a comp perspective things certainly get easier, but we're watchful. It's a choppy environment for sure. And it's why we're viewing still the Asia segment to be flattish on the full year with declines in China with rest and performance positive performance in the rest of Asia. So let's see how it plays out, but we're investing still in that region. It's a region for region methodology and a lot of great confidence in the team there.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

And Nigel, question too on electrification and heating, that's still I mean, it's we now have a core portfolio of products on a global basis there, and we're making a lot of headwinds there. It's part of this growth profile that we have.

Nigel Coe
Managing Director at Wolfe Research, LLC

Great. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it, Peter.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Thanks, Steve.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Obin with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Andrew Obin
Andrew Obin
MD - Equity Research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Yes. Good morning.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Hey, Andrew. How are you?

Andrew Obin
Andrew Obin
MD - Equity Research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

I'm good. Just a little bit on Transport. It seems like we are at the bottom. I know that you are referencing the ACT forecast, but the truck cycle and the reefer cycle has been very strange over the past couple of years. What do you guys see in the channel, and when do you think it bottoms?

Andrew Obin
Andrew Obin
MD - Equity Research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

And I do appreciate the, you know, the ACT disclosure, very useful.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Yeah. I mean, look. At the end of the day, transport, you're right. It's been very volatile for the last you know, I think we kid ourselves and say we're in year three of a of a of a two year cycle or maybe even year four of a two year down cycle. So we do see that ACT is gonna come back or I'm sorry, the the market's gonna come back in 2026.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

That's what ACT is saying now. We're looking forward to it. The key here is make sure that you're investing in the business when it is in a downturn. And that's what we've been able to do, and we have a lot of really cool solutions that we're we're now having the marketplace. And one of the reasons why we're clearly outperforming the end markets is because of that.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

But we're looking forward to this coming back in 2026, and we're gonna be ready for it. And, look, as an old president for Thermal King business in my earlier in my career, this is a great business, and, it's, it's gonna be very successful in the future.

Andrew Obin
Andrew Obin
MD - Equity Research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Appreciate it. And then, you know, just on data centers, you know, as you have noted, you've introduced to CDU. But any interest in getting more scale, in this area through m and a? I think there might be some sort of private equity assets available down the line?

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Andrew, it's Chris. I mean, as a large player, we get a chance to see just about everything that comes across from an M and A perspective. So we'll remain disciplined. We'll look at returns. We'll look at where we can integrate, where we can drive value.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

And certainly, we like the space that we're in. We like having the partnerships that we have and then the relationships with customers over time. But as you know, we've got the financial firepower to do almost anything, but we're going to remain disciplined here around M and A.

Andrew Obin
Andrew Obin
MD - Equity Research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

But is there sort of a limit on how big an asset? All your acquisitions have been very prudent, but they've been really bolt ons. Would you be willing to step ups for something larger in a critical area?

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Yeah. I would just say, look, bolt ons for us is a billion dollars or less, and that number keeps growing as we keep growing. But look, we like the bolt ons. We like the channel investments. We like the early stage technologies and match it up with deep channel. And so maybe a little bit below the radar, but we've had, I think it's 25 to 30 acquisitions over the last five years and deployed over 1,000,000,000 of capital to them, think closer to $1,500,000,000 So look, we like that flywheel.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

We look at everything and if we think that there's an option that makes sense, we'll certainly give it a look. But we'll remain disciplined, think is the key message.

Andrew Obin
Andrew Obin
MD - Equity Research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Really appreciate it. Thank you.

Dave Regnery
Dave Regnery
Chair & CEO at Trane Technologies

Thanks Andrew. You're welcome.

Operator

Our final question will come from the line of Noah Kaye with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Noah Kaye
Senior Research Analyst at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

Thanks. Chris, just go back to Jeff's question. Can you give us the updated price assumption for the enterprise for the year? And then maybe more broadly, we can talk through where pricing power is and applied given the booking strength and the fact that you're always pricing for value creation?

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Yes. I think for price on the full year think of that it's probably a bit above three points. We delivered three points in the first quarter. We were tracking a bit above three points in the second quarter. And for the full year as we're baking tariffs in there, we're probably a bit above three points on the full year.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

And then think of volume as really closer to five points on the full year.

Noah Kaye
Senior Research Analyst at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

Perfect. Thank you. Maybe just add one more on EMEA. You've mentioned those channel investments and the margins improving in the back half. Maybe just if you can help us think about how that translates to growth accelerating, stronger incrementals setting up into '26.

Noah Kaye
Senior Research Analyst at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

I'm sure these investments are really fortifying your channel position there.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

Yes. Think of them as investments in the channel for both transport and our commercial HVAC business, thinking about where we have partners and where we want to grow share. And so those are just businesses actually part of the bolt on acquisitions we've done over the last six or nine months. And they just come with low operating margins that impact the margins in the region. I mean, we're talking a bit around the law of small numbers here as well.

Chris Kuehn
Chris Kuehn
EVP & CFO at Trane Technologies

But very much part of our plans for the year and you're right what it does is it gives us even more optionality to have formidable businesses going forward and continuing to drive revenue growth well above what the markets are showing in both of those platforms. So this is very modest in terms of the relative scale to EMEA, but we think the right long term decision here and I think it will continue to give us confidence we're going to outperform those markets in EMEA.

Operator

And that will conclude our question and answer session. I'll turn the call back over to Jack Nagel for any closing comments.

Zachary Nagle
Zachary Nagle
VP - Finance & Investor Relations at Trane Technologies

I'd like to thank everyone for joining me on today's call. We much appreciate all the good questions. We'll be on the road in the coming months, and we look forward to seeing many of you there. And, obviously, we'll be around over the coming days and weeks to take any, investor questions or analyst calls and questions. So we look forward to speaking with you soon. Thanks, and have a great day.

Operator

That concludes our call today. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.

Executives
    • Zachary Nagle
      Zachary Nagle
      VP - Finance & Investor Relations
    • Dave Regnery
      Dave Regnery
      Chair & CEO
    • Chris Kuehn
      Chris Kuehn
      EVP & CFO
Analysts
    • Chris Snyder
      Executive Director at Morgan Stanley
    • Julian Mitchell
      Equity Research Analyst - US Industrials at Barclays Investment Bank
    • Scott Davis
      Chairman, CEO & Founding Partner – Multi-Industry Research at Melius Research LLC
    • Amit Mehrotra
      MD & Head - Industrial Sector at UBS Group
    • Andrew Kaplowitz
      Managing Director at Citi
    • Joe Ritchie
      Managing Director at Goldman Sachs
    • Steve Tusa
      Managing Director at JP Morgan
    • Jeffrey Sprague
      Founder & Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners
    • Deane Dray
      Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets
    • Nigel Coe
      Managing Director at Wolfe Research, LLC
    • Andrew Obin
      MD - Equity Research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch
    • Noah Kaye
      Senior Research Analyst at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.