California Water Service Group Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 31, 2025

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Cal Water reported a 15% year-over-year increase in non-GAAP EPS for Q2, driven by tariff rate changes and higher customer usage.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Second-quarter capital investments rose 14.2% to $119.4 million, with year-to-date spending up 7% to $229.5 million, including $226 million earmarked for PFAS projects.
  • Neutral Sentiment: The California general rate case remains on schedule, with opening and reply briefs filed and a decision expected before year-end, though no settlement was reached.
  • Positive Sentiment: Cal Water secured a contract for the Silverwood wastewater treatment facility and continues to expand its Texas subsidiary, which has filed a general rate case under an all-party settlement.
  • Neutral Sentiment: EPA extended PFAS compliance deadlines to 2031 while Cal Water maintains its commitment to meet original timelines and has received $10.6 million from the first of four class-action settlements.
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Earnings Conference Call
California Water Service Group Q2 2025
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There are 6 speakers on the call.

Speaker 3

Ladies and gentlemen, this is the operator. Today's conference is scheduled to begin momentarily. Until that time, your lines will again be placed on Music Hall. Thank you for your patience. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the California Water Service Group second quarter 2025 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press STAR followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, again, press STAR one. I would now like to turn the conference over to James Lynch, Senior Vice President, CFO and Treasurer. You may begin.

Operator

Thank you, Jericho. Welcome everyone to the second quarter 2025 results call for California Water Service Group. With me today is Marty Kropelnicki, our Chairman and CEO, and Shillin Patel, our Chief Business Development Officer and Vice President of our Texas subsidiary, TWSC Replay. Dial-in information for this call can be found in our quarterly results earnings release, which was issued earlier today. The call replay will be available until September 29, 2025. As a reminder before we begin, the company has a slide deck to accompany today's earnings call. The slide deck was furnished with an 8-K and is also available on the company's website at www.calwatergroup.com. Before looking at our second quarter 2025 results, I'd like to cover forward-looking statements. During our call, we may make certain forward-looking statements.

Operator

Because these statements deal with future events, they are subject to various risks and uncertainties, and actual results could differ materially from the company's current expectations. As a result, we strongly advise all current shareholders and interested parties to carefully read the company's disclosures on risks and uncertainties found in our Form 10-K, Form 10-Q, press releases, and other reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Now I'll turn the call over to Marty.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Jim. Good morning everyone. Thank you for joining us here today. We have six main items on the agenda that we want to cover today with everyone and provide an update on one. We want to talk about the strong performance during the second quarter. Just to remind everyone, earnings look pretty wonky and as we have been saying on every earnings call, it's really driven by the fact that the 2021 General Rate Case was 16 months late. When it was finally approved in 2024, it was retroactive. That's kind of like the boa constrictor and the egg because it was retroactive, it's kind of made earnings look kind of funky year to year.

Speaker 4

I think the punchline from an earnings perspective is when you look at the non-GAAP EPS, non-GAAP earnings per share were up 15% year over year, which is historically very, very good considering it's the third year of the rate case in California, which is our largest operating entity. Second thing, we will give an update on our capital program. Capital spending was up approximately 7% quarter over quarter. We will give you an update on where we are with the California General Rate Case. In addition, we have a new person attending us today, not new to the company who's been around a long time, but new to helping give an update to our stockholders, Shillin Patel, who is a Lead Executive Officer who heads up our business development activities and is also running our Texas operations for us.

Speaker 4

Shillin will give you an update on what's going on in Texas as well as an exciting new contract we entered into in California and Silverwood, which is a new development that's being built in Southern California. We'll give you a quick update on where we are with PFAS. That's been a little bit of a political football, but we remain steadfast in our approach in making sure that the drinking water we provide our customers are safe and in compliance with our requirements. Lastly, we did recently get reaffirmed our very good A+ stable rating from S&P Global. We're very happy to see that we maintained a very strong credit rating going into the second half of the year. With that, Jim, I'm going to turn over to you so you can go through the financial results for the quarter. Please.

Speaker 2

Great.

Operator

Thanks, Marty. As Marty mentioned, we have presented both GAAP and non-GAAP metrics for 2024, which you'll be able to see on the next several slides. The non-GAAP measures do remove the impact of the 2023 interim rate relief from our 2024 results. In Q2 2025, revenue increased $20.7 million, or 8.5%, to $265 million. This compares with revenue of $244.3 million in Q2 of 2024. Compared to Q2 2024 non-GAAP revenue, second quarter revenue increased $17.9 million, or 7.2%. Net income for the quarter was $42.2 million, or $0.71 per diluted share. This compares with 2024 second quarter net income of $40.6 million, or $0.70 per diluted share. Compared to non-GAAP 2024 net income, Q2 net income decreased $200,000, or $0.02 per diluted share. The $1.8 million GAAP to non-GAAP difference is due to the finalization of amounts recorded in 2024 that were related to the 2023 interim rates.

Operator

Moving to Slide 6, you can see the impact of the activity during the second quarter on our earnings result as compared to the 2024 non-GAAP results. The primary drivers were tariff rate changes and increased customer usage, which combined added $0.52 per diluted share. The increases were offset mainly by revenue regulatory account decreases of $0.21 per share and water production rates and depreciation increases of $0.12 and $0.05 per share, respectively. Also, in the second quarter of 2024, we reduced bad debt expense as a result of payments received under the Extended Water Arrearages program in California. As a result, we recognized a $0.06 per share benefit in the second quarter of 2024 that did not repeat in 2025. Slide 7 shows our year-to-date financial results.

Operator

Revenue through the first six months of 2025 was $468.9 million compared to $515 million for the same period in the prior year. When adjusting 2024 results for interim rate relief, year-to-date 2025 revenue increased $41.3 million, or 9.7%. Net income attributed to the group was $55.5 million, or $0.93 per diluted share, compared to $110.5 million, or $1.90 per diluted share, in the prior year. When adjusting for the 2023 interim rate relief, net income increased $9 million, or 19.4%, over non-GAAP 2024 year-to-date net income, while diluted earnings per share increased $0.12, or 14.8%. Turning to Slide 8, the primary drivers of our year to date diluted earnings per share when compared to the non-GAAP 2024 results were tariff rate changes and increased customer usage, which combined added $0.75 per diluted share, and the Palos Verdes pipeline recovery that added $0.05 per share.

Operator

These increases were partially offset by regulatory revenue account decreases of $0.26 per share, water production rate and usage increases totaling $0.18 per share, and depreciation expense increase of $0.09 per share. We continue to make significant investments in our water infrastructure to ensure the delivery of safe and reliable water service. Our capital investments for the quarter and year to date were $119.4 million and $229.5 million, respectively. This represents a 14.2% increase for the quarter and a 7% increase year to date compared to the same periods in 2024. As a reminder, our capital investments do not include an estimated $220 million of remaining PFAS project expenditures, which we expect will be incurred over the next few years. The positive impact our capital investment program is having on our regulated rate base is presented on Slide number 10.

Operator

If approved as requested, the 2024 GRC and Infrastructure Improvement Plan, coupled with planned capital investments in our utilities and other states, would result in a compounded annual rate base growth of almost 12%. Moving to Slide 11, we continue to maintain a strong liquidity profile to execute both our capital plan and strategic M&A investments. As of the end of the quarter, we had $50.5 million in unrestricted cash, $45.6 million in restricted cash, and $240 million in available credit on our bank lines. Earlier in the quarter, we entered into an equity distribution agreement to sell shares under an at-the-market equity program with an available shelf of $350 million. While we expect to use the ATM strategically and from time to time, we did not use it in 2024 year to date.

Operator

Finally, as Marty mentioned, in July we received our annual credit rating update from S&P Global in which we retained our A+ stable rating. We're proud that we continue to maintain this strong credit rating. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Marty.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Jim. I'm going to piggyback off those last comments about the credit rating. Obviously, the company's balance sheet continues to be very, very strong, which is important given the growth that we have in our capital investment program and our infrastructure improvement plans. Likewise, that also dovetails right into our dividend program. I'm very proud to announce that yesterday our Board of Directors approved our 322nd quarterly dividend in the amount of $0.30 a share. I just remind everyone the dividend increase that the Board approved earlier this year represented a 10.71% increase, which gives us a five-year 7.7% compound annual growth rate for our dividend. We believe this dividend growth rate reflects our continued growth in our balance sheet as well as our continued expansion on our infrastructure improvement plan, which we think is important as we continue to build out the balance sheet.

Speaker 4

The balance sheet's in good shape and we have a lot to do in the second half of 2024. Moving on to slide 13, I want to give everyone an update on where we are at the rate case in the State of California. As you may recall, in the application, the company is requesting $398 million over the years 2026, 2027, and 2028 and a corresponding $1.6 billion budget for infrastructure improvements in the State of California, especially as we continue to move forward with our climate change adaptation plans during the quarter. The rate case continues to be on schedule from where it is, and that's really the good news here so far. The Administrative Law Judge and the Assigned Commissioner have kept everything on task to date. Settlement discussions did take place during April and hearings before the Administrative Law Judge took place in May.

Speaker 4

After the hearings in May, the Administrative Law Judge requested additional information from the parties and he was responded to in June. We then filed opening briefs on July 7 with reply briefs that were filed earlier this week as we move into the last phase of the rate case. There was no settlement that was reached. While there were a number of undisputed items in the rate case process, we did not reach a settlement with the ratepayer advocate. Hence, we had to file the opening briefs on July 7 and the reply briefs on July 28 to set up the final motion in the hearing, which will take place on August 5. After that August 5th hearing, that's the point in which all the information is submitted to the ALJ to draft the proposed decision.

Speaker 4

August, September, and October are approval months for the Commission as they work through the rate case and hopefully keep it on time so it goes into effect on 1:1, 2026. Moving over to slide 14 to give you a quick update on what's happening with PFAS. The EPA has confirmed the maximum contaminant level for PFOA and PFAS will remain at 4 parts per trillion while it continues to evaluate standards for the other PFAS compounds. Other compounds in the PFAS family or in the Forever Chemicals families. The Agency has also proposed extending the compliance deadline for PFO and PFOS treatments from approximately two years from 2029 to 2031, with a final ruling expected in 2026.

Speaker 4

Some states, such as Washington or what's currently going through the legislature in the state of California, are looking at implementing their own regulatory rules around this, consistent with the 4 parts per trillion, but on the original implementation timeline. We're closely monitoring that on a state basis to see where ultimately each state ends up with the implementation of the PFAS rules. From a group perspective, we remain committed to investing in the water quality and infrastructure across Washington, New Mexico, California, and making sure that we do everything we can to make sure that we stay ahead of schedule to ensure water quality for all of our customers. We'll continue with our plans as they are right now. We might push or pull a couple things from year to year now that there's a little bit more room.

Speaker 4

The original $222 million, $226 million investment that we forecast is still on the table, and we are moving forward with that program. Looking on page 15. Our approach to PFAS related investments is intentionally aligned with the evolving EPA guidelines. It has been a little bit of a moving ball, but if you think about it, they just extended the implementation date a couple years. Given what we're seeing within a few of the larger states that we operate in, there's a good chance the states will adopt standards that will keep us in line with the original implementation timeline set by EPA. We're watching that. Nonetheless, we remain committed to doing what we need to do to make sure that we exceed the water quality standards every day that we operate.

Speaker 4

The PFAS and PFOA teams are going full steam ahead as of right now and moving forward with our projects. You'll start to see that investment start to show up in the capital investment line as we move forward in the second half of 2025 and certainly well into 2026 and 2027. In addition, I want to talk a little bit about the settlement where we are and dealing with the people who contaminated the water supply. We continue to make good progress on recovering those costs through litigation. California Water Service Group is a party to 4 separate class action settlements related to PFAS. In May of 2025, so May of this year, we received the first $10.6 million in net proceeds from a settlement with 3M. This represents the first of 10 scheduled installments that we will get from 3M.

Speaker 4

We expect to begin receiving proceeds from the other three settlements potentially later on this year. I want to take a moment to introduce someone new to the call, but not new to California Water Service Group. He's been here a while driving all our business development efforts, and he's certainly a veteran in the water space. I'm going to turn over to Shillin Patel to give everyone an update on what we have going on on the business development side and in Texas. Shillin, take it away.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Marty. On slide 16, you'll see that California Water Service Group continues to prioritize growth through acquisitions and capital investments. A key example is our agreement with DNB Development, a national developer working on a master planned community near the city of Hesperia in San Bernardino County. Under this agreement, California Water will build, own, operate, and finance the wastewater treatment facility that will serve the development. Once fully built out, the community will consist of over 15,000 customer connections. At full capacity, the facility will deliver more than 3 million gallons per day of tertiary treated wastewater. More importantly, 100% of this water will be reused within the community, and it will be the largest wastewater treatment reuse facility in California Water's asset portfolio.

Speaker 2

We plan to file a certificate of public convenience and necessity with the CPUC to establish a regulated service area and include this district in future General Rate Case filings. Now turning to slide 17, our Texas utility subsidiary continues to grow in step with the rapid expansion of the region. As a reminder, California Water Service Group made its initial investment in this subsidiary in 2021. The goal was to support water and sewer utility development in the Austin-San Antonio Mega Region. This region currently has a population of about 5 million people and is projected to exceed 8 million by 2050, which is comparable to the Dallas-Fort Worth region today. The biggest challenge to this growth is timely infrastructure development, especially roads and water systems.

Speaker 2

This presents a strong opportunity for California Water Service Group to partner with state and local governments and the private sector to align our utility investments to support the state's economic development objectives in the region. On slide 18, you'll see continued momentum in customer growth for our utility in Texas. Both connected customers and paid customer commitments are increasing, which reflects the sustained demand in the Austin-San Antonio Mega Region. Additionally, BVRT filed a General Rate Case for five utilities in June 2024. A settlement agreement has been reached and is currently awaiting commission approval. Thank you and I'll hand it back to Marty.

Operator

Great.

Speaker 4

Sean, I believe DMV, we've done other business with successful projects with them in other states. I believe Kukio, which is the high-end estates on the Big Island of Hawaii, was one of the ventures we did with them a number of years ago, correct?

Speaker 2

That is correct. We have another one as well as KSSCS and Kauai.

Speaker 4

Kauai, so it's good to work with a partner. We have, I guess, 16 years of experience with working with them, which is good. On the settlement with BBRT, it's not filed yet with the commission. Right, but we have an all party settlement that is correct.

Speaker 2

We do have an all party settlement. It is not filed with the commission yet. It should be filed shortly, and we'll share more information that's within that settlement when it's filed.

Speaker 4

Perfect. That means for everyone on the call, we can't take any questions as to the particulars of the settlement. Overall, I would say we're very pleased that we reached an all party settlement. Shillin and the team in Texas have done a really good job working on that rate case. That's our first rate case that's being filed, which will actually establish the rate base for the Texas entities for us. Really good work there. Moving ahead to slide 19, I want to take a moment to talk about our sustainability report and just hit a couple highlights on that. In June, we published our 2024 report. I believe this is our third report that we published. We continue to focus on four key areas: protecting the planet, serving our customers, engaging the workforce, and governing with integrity.

Speaker 4

Among some of the highlights are our goals of reducing scope 1 and scope 2 greenhouse gas emissions by 23.5% from our 2021 baseline and the fact that we're investing nearly $3 million in energy efficient upgrades within our service territory. In addition, we had 100% compliance with the water quality standards, the primary and secondary water quality standards, and we conducted more than 615,000 water quality tests on behalf of our customers in the states that we operated in. From a philanthropic perspective, the company donated more than $1.1 million to community organizations, including our firefighter grant program, which is very successful, as well as our local scholarship programs for children of customers, especially those that are first generation college students. In addition, we expanded our employee training program by approximately 17%. We continue to develop new career pathways for our employees, which have been very successful.

Speaker 4

The significance of pathways is not just a way to get promoted, but there are certification requirements that go along with it. For everyone that operates a water system, we all know how important those certifications are. It's a way to let people grow and move up their certification chain and move into higher level jobs as they get those higher level certifications. In fact, we always say higher pay for higher cert. It's been a very, very successful program. In addition, we've expanded our supplier oversight and our diversity efforts in terms of adding more suppliers that we procure goods and services from at the local level. I encourage everyone to read the report. It's in the consistent reporting format that meets the majority of standards out there for sustainability reports, and we remain 100% dedicated to our ESG efforts, emphasizing the strong G for governance.

Speaker 4

Lastly, I want to talk about what to watch for in the fourth quarter because certainly we have a lot going on. First and foremost, we're maintaining our focus on the 2024 General Rate Case. That's really important and as I mentioned before, it represents 90% of our business as a utility. In addition to that, we also have important rate proceedings in Hawaii, Washington, as Shilen has just talked about, Texas as well as New Mexico. The rates team is very, very busy with everything they got going on as we move into the warm, dry summer months. That allows us the opportunity to speed up our capital investment program. The third quarter is one of the busiest quarters from an investment standpoint, so the team's busy working on that. It is interesting to note that while the southeast of the U.S.

Speaker 4

is going through a heat wave, in California we are having a below average summer. It's been cooler, it's been a little more pleasant, which has been great from a fire season perspective. All this means it allows us to really kind of put the pedal to the metal on the capital investments as we go through the summer months and prepare to go into winter. Obviously with the cooler weather it gives us a little bit of break from fire season, nonetheless that does not allow us to slow down our efforts or back off our efforts for wildfire readiness. The operating teams have been very, very busy since May implementing our readiness programs for 2025. Overall, there's a lot going on. Lastly, we have to continue to execute prudently and efficiently. As I started with this discussion here today, it is the third year of the rate case.

Speaker 4

The third year of the rate case is where we tend to see the most regulatory lag. Overall, I'm very happy to see that 15% growth in earnings for the second quarter of 2025, given the fact it's the third year of the rate case. With that Jericho, we will open it up for questions from the analysts.

Speaker 3

Please, yes, we will now begin the question and answer session. If you have dialed in and would like to ask a question, please press Star one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. If you would like to withdraw the question, simply press Star one again. If you're called upon to ask your question and are listening via speakerphone on your device, please pick up your handset to ensure that your phone is not on mute when asking your question. Our first question comes from Davis Sunderland from Baird. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning, guys. Marty, Jim, thank you for the update. Thank you for taking my question. Maybe I could start. You started, actually, to answer my question at the tail end of your last comments there, Marty, just about the GRC, but it sounds like you guys are still expecting a decision by year end. I guess one, is that correct? Maybe more specifically, what is there that you guys are looking for in the case? What can we monitor in that timeframe of August to October that you kind of defined as the critical months? I have one follow up.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I mean, so far the assigned commissioner has given us every indication it's a top priority for him to get the rate case done on time. Obviously, because there's no settlement, there's a lot for the assigned administrative law judge to go through. I will say the judge who is assigned our pivot is very procedural and has just really been kind of following the schedule, which means everything's been lining up to be on schedule year to date. Now is really when the rubber meets the road for the assigned law judge to kind of pull the case all together. One of the things that the judge did ask us for was a list of non-disputed items. That's been provided. I think he's seen it the right way.

Speaker 4

We kind of go into this blackout period other than answering questions from the administrative law judge for August, September, and potentially October. We'll just have to wait and see. So far with the commissioner saying it's his goal, the judge has been sticking to the schedule. He's been very procedurally driven. He's asked a lot of good questions. We have every indication that it's heading the right way now. It's where the rubber meets the road. From the commission side, our work is done as of August 5 when we have that final hearing and everything's handed off to the judge. It'll be up to the judge. I'm guardedly optimistic. Will it be right on time? I have no reason to believe that the assigned commissioner is not telling us the truth, and he said it's his top priority to get it done on time.

Speaker 4

We'll see what the commissioner does with it. In the meantime, we'll continue to answer all their questions. That's a long-winded question of saying, as of right now it's on schedule and the commissioner is focused on it as well as the judge. I appreciate the detail.

Speaker 5

Thank you, Marty. Maybe just one more from me, just on comments relating to the PFAS pushout or potential pushout, I should say from the EPA. Is the right way to think about this as a positive that you guys are still moving forward on your timeline as it relates to maybe getting some regulatory recovery and earning return on those investments, and then maybe a negative or a slowdown in potentially accelerating some M&A for smaller systems, or I guess any other thoughts there would be helpful.

Operator

Yeah, thanks Davis. I think from the perspective of the timing of the CapEx investments, we're still focusing on delivering the treatment according to the original schedule that we had put in place. Since our last call, we've taken a look at whether or not it makes sense for us to put treatment in some of our well locations as opposed to replacing the wells. We have identified a couple areas where we are going to go ahead and just replace those wells. That's typically a little longer process that takes about, you know, five to seven years from the time we first identify property to the time we actually get the well and place it in service.

Operator

Initially, we were going to treat all of the wells we identified, but since this reassessment we probably have about $160 million or so that we expect to be in place in the next two years related to treatment, with the remainder being pushed out a little bit further as we look at our well replacements.

Speaker 4

Yeah, and I would say David too, kind of putting politics aside for a moment, it's really hard. The EPA could shift the dates, but the fact is PFO and PFOS is a known cancer causing agent. It's really hard to look at customers in the eye saying, yes, there's a compound in water, it may cause cancer, but the government just moved the implementation out a couple years. Don't worry about it. The water is safe to drink. I was happy to see that the state of Washington is keeping the original timelines. I know in the legislature in the state of California that's seriously being looked at right now.

Speaker 4

I think from a customer perspective, we'll always put the customer's health and safety first, even if it means we eat some depreciation dollars for a year or so if something gets kind of messed up on the EPA side. PFAS, the train's moving, the projects are planned, we have contracts that have all been signed, engineers are working on it and we have room to move a couple things around, as Jim said. We'll change a couple treatment options, but I don't think you're going to see hundreds of millions of dollars shift out. Two more years. I think you're going to see pretty much stay on track with the exception of some stuff will get pushed and pulled a little bit.

Operator

I think with regards to the impact that that would have on our MA, we've got a really strong balance sheet right now, and I think you can look at those two initiatives independent of one another.

Speaker 4

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5

This is super helpful, guys. Got you loud and clear, and thank you very much for the time.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Thanks, David.

Speaker 3

Our next question comes from Jonathan Reeder from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Hey, good morning team. How are you all doing today?

Speaker 4

Good morning, John.

Speaker 1

Couple questions for me. First, the rate base outlook, you know how I'm done. Slide 10 did not change, but it looks like there are some shifts in the CapEx by year, including like pushing out $50 million from 2025. I apologize if you mentioned it in the prepared remarks, but what caused the shift? I mean, as it sounds like you know, that anticipated PFAS, well, replacement CapEx shift has not yet been incorporated. Further, does the increase in 2027 represent any of the $60 to $70 million of anticipated investment related to the Silverwood opportunity?

Operator

With regards to Silverwood, yes, we are right now coming up with a budget with regards to what that plant is going to entail, and that is going to provide an opportunity for us to invest additional capital over the next few years. Shillin, I think we have a two-year time window with which to get that plant up and operating.

Speaker 2

That's correct.

Operator

Those are numbers that we will be incorporating into the deck, and that will ultimately work its way into rate base as we kind of work through the regulatory process. As far as our CapEx plans, they really haven't changed relative to our core CapEx investments. We're still moving ahead with the anticipation of receiving a good portion, if not all, of what we've asked for in the General Rate Case. As you remember, 2025 is the first year of the current rate case, even though it's not effective. The other parts of the rate case aren't effective until 2026. We're pushing forward assuming that whatever we're allowed to put in place in terms of our rate base plan, we're in a position to deliver on that.

Speaker 1

Okay, the shift was just some timing stuff. Yeah, I mean overall the three-year period pretty much.

Operator

I think that's a good characterization, yes.

Speaker 4

This is also why we got memo account treatment for part of the PFAS stuff, because part of this is we're going through the process of discovery. What do we need to do at locations? You got to do all the testing, and you got to develop the implementation plans. It meets the recommendation criteria of memo account treatment with the PUC, especially in California, where we got the most number of wells that we got to treat. That's why that number is carved out and put in a footnote, because ultimately most of those costs will kind of roll up into a memo account.

Speaker 1

Okay. For the Silverwood spend, that $60 to $70 million, you say on the slide, that's still incremental to the current budget?

Speaker 4

Yes. In fact, our board yesterday just approved the expenditures for that over the next two years. Yesterday, I had a board meeting. We go through the annual capital program in detail. The engineering team comes in, the Finance Committee meets, and we go through all the details of the plan for the next year and the next really couple years, because they authorize us to start some other capital projects in advance. That was approved yesterday.

Speaker 1

Okay. My other question relates to something that AWK mentioned earlier today, that there's a water decoupling bill working its way through the California Legislature this session. Can you discuss what all the bill may do? Does it mandate that the CPUC adopt fully decoupled rates if requested by the utility? What sort of support do you believe it has to pass both chambers and hopefully garner Governor Newsom's signature?

Speaker 4

Yeah, that bill has been a key focal point of our government affairs team, and we have been leading the effort on that bill individually initially and then collectively as some of the other water purveyors have jumped in to support us. It's Senate Bill 473. Senate Bill 473 would require the Public Utilities Commission to implement full decoupling for water utilities. We think it's a real important bill, especially as we deal with climate change out west and water scarcity. As I talked to the governor before about this topic, it's really, if you think about it, when we go in there with this bill, we're basically saying kind of cap our earnings.

Operator

Right.

Speaker 4

As a regulated utility, but it's the right thing to do for the long term for the customers, because it allows you to deal with affordability in some underserved communities. It allows you to better plan for things like climate change and actually kind of smooth out rates a little bit. As of July 28, right, the bill has passed the Senate on a 37 to 0 vote. It's moved through the Assembly, it's moved through the Assembly Committee on Utilities and Energy with a 15 to 0 vote, and now it's waiting on the Assembly Committee for Appropriations. There is one opposing party to this bill and it's the California Advocates. They oppose the bill and they are bringing up the point that it's going to increase the commission's operating costs by $1 million. That's the opposition. It's a $1 million issue with the commission.

Speaker 4

We, of course, have been saying, wait a minute, we were decoupled for a number of years and you didn't have a blip in your operating cost. The other utilities, electric and gas, have been decoupled since the 1970s. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Overall, this bill has kind of sailed through everything and now we're waiting to see what happens next as it goes for the Appropriations Committee. That $1 million could become a hang up. California's budget is in best shape and you know, there's not a lot of mercy for utility issues in Sacramento right now given the large number of electrical cost increases that have been experienced in California to deal with some of the wildfire hardening. So far we've built a very large coalition.

Speaker 4

All the lawmakers that we've met with, and we met with a lot of lawmakers, have been very, very supportive of decoupling and how it works. We'll just have to see what happens next. They're on recess right now in the state of California. This will get picked up again in the fall when they come back from their recess.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Marty, for that insight. I know you're always very plugged into what's going on in Sacramento, so I didn't expect anything less in terms of color.

Speaker 4

Jonathan, you know how we are. I mean, we were the first water company to decouple and we took a couple hard knocks for that. People say why would you want to do it? Decoupling, when you deal with water scarcity, when you deal with sustainability type of issues and tiered rates, it really helps drive down consumption over the long term. We got to stay focused on that in California. It's a massive state that continues to grow. The largest ag business in the union is in the state of California, you got some of the largest urban centers in the state of California compared to anywhere else in the U.S. and you got a growing population, you know, you gotta be very proactive with this stuff. We believe in taking a leadership role and that's what we've been doing.

Speaker 1

Yeah, no, good luck with it. It's hard to imagine that the $1 million figure would become a hang up in a state besides California, but I guess you never know. Good luck with that and best of luck as you move into the second half of the year with keeping the GRC on time.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 4

Obviously, you know this, Jonathan, because we attend your conference as well. As we move into the fall, Jim and I are out quite a bit talking to investors, and we'll be happy to get people updates as we move through various IR meetings in the fall.

Speaker 1

Excellent. Thanks a lot, guys. Appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions.

Operator

All right, take care, Jonathan.

Speaker 3

Our next question comes from Michael Gallagher from Janney Montgomery Scott. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Good morning, everyone. Morning, Michael.

Speaker 3

Michael, just one question on PFAS.

Speaker 4

Looking through your deck today, it seems like.

Speaker 2

Visibility is improving on settlements across all four class action settlements.

Speaker 3

Just wondering at this point, what percentage.

Speaker 4

Of the total costs that you're going.

Speaker 3

Do you think you can cover with the settlements?

Speaker 4

That's a very difficult question. I mean that in all respect in a good way. I think it's a very, very fair question. It's really hard to gauge. My best guess would be $40 million to $60 million of the $226 million estimate. If I had to put a number on the table and make a bet, that's probably the range I would put it in. Consistent with the point I was just making with Jonathan about kind of taking a leadership role, Shawn Bunting, our Senior Vice President, General Counsel, has been the industry rep associated with these, one of two industry reps associated with the lawsuit that represent the water industry. We are very kind of up to our neck in these lawsuits, working with outside counsel and representing the water space. We're at the table when the deal gets cut.

Speaker 4

We know how it's going to work, etc. Part of the reason why we wanted to make that investment was to make sure that it's fairly allocated. We're continuing that leadership role. Shawn Bunting is doing an absolutely fantastic job representing the water industry. He's a very, very good attorney. If I had to bet, I would say $40 million to $60 million would probably be a probable range as to where I am right now. I don't know, Jim, if you'd add anything on that.

Operator

Yeah, Michael, the only thing I'd say is part of the difficulty in estimating it is that it's predicated not only on the settlement dollars we're able to negotiate, but then the application for those dollars by the different water providers that could benefit from it. Until the total applications are known and can be identified in terms of how much they're requesting, it's hard to say how much is going to go to the individual water companies. They're working through that process right now. As we said on the call, by the end of this year, we think we'll have a real good sense of where that's going to land. Quite frankly, we believe we'll start to get some of the other payments by the end of this year also. More to come on that, but right now it's moving ahead in a real good direction for us.

Speaker 4

All right, that's all I had, gentlemen.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Michael.

Speaker 3

There are no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Martin Kropelnicki, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer.

Operator

Great.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Jericho. Thanks, everyone, for joining us here today. First half of the year is done and dusted, as they say in my spin class. It's been recorded and we're moving forward, looking forward to the second half of the year. Obviously, we got a lot going on, but the company is in very, very good shape, very happy with earnings, very happy with the balance sheet, and we just got a lot going on. With everything Shillin's got going on in Texas on the business development side with Silverwood, et cetera, as well as the rate case, it's going to be a very, very busy second half of the year. We will look forward to updating you at the end of Q3. Until then, be safe and have a good day. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Speaker 3

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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