Unilever H1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: We delivered 3.4% underlying sales growth in H1 2025 with a balanced mix of volume (+1.5%) and price (+1.9%), and Q2 USG improved sequentially to 3.8%.
  • Positive Sentiment: Outperformance in developed markets saw North America grow 5.4% USG (volumes up 3.7%) and Europe 3.4% USG, driven by premium innovations and share gains.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Emerging markets were mixed: APAC Africa accelerated past 5% in Q2, India improved sequentially and China/Indonesia are set to recover, but Latin America lagged with just 0.5% USG.
  • Neutral Sentiment: The ice cream business began operating stand-alone on July 1, with a mid-November demerger planned and Unilever retaining just under 20% to fund separation costs and maintain flexibility.
  • Positive Sentiment: Unilever reconfirms its 2025 full-year outlook of 3%–5% underlying sales growth and ≥18.5% H2 operating margin, underpinned by volume leverage, mix management, productivity savings, and sustained brand investment.
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Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Good morning, and welcome to Unilever's second quarter trading statement for 2025. Thank you for joining us. I am joined today by Srini Patak, our acting chief financial officer. In a moment, Srini will take you through the detail of the second quarter and first half results. I will then come back to talk more broadly about the continuing transformation of the business and how we see the remainder of this year and beyond.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

First, though, let me set out what I see to be the key elements of our solid performance in the first half, and importantly, why this give us real confidence when it comes to delivering the full year. There are five elements in particular that I would like to highlight. First, the balance of our growth. We deliver underlying sales growth for the half of 3.4%. And we did it with a good balance of volume and price.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Volumes improved sequentially over the course of the half despite subdued markets with first half market volume growth at around 1.3%. Importantly, volume growth was broad based and positive across all business groups. Second, the continued structural strengthening of our gross margin that allowed further increase in the support of our brands. With brand marketing investment highly competitive in the first half at 15.5% of turnover. Third, we continue to outperform markets in the developed economies.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

In North America, we deliver underlying sales growth for the half of 5.4% with volumes up 3.7%. While Europe remains strong, up 3.4% for the half. Fourth, at the same time as outperforming in developed markets, we are also seeing a steadily improving picture when it comes to performance in emerging markets. This has been driven by our largest region, Asia Pacific Africa, which was up 3.5% in the first half and accelerated to over 5% growth in the second quarter. India, our second largest market, improved sequentially during the half.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

And as a direct consequence of the operational interventions made, we see improvements in both China and Indonesia. And confidently, expect both markets to accelerate further in the second half of the year. Volume performance in Latin America was poor in the second quarter with the slowing markets and the need to increase prices to cover currency appreciation. But we are confident in the strength of our portfolio and operations in the region, and we expect recovery later in the year. And fifth, it was a good half for ice cream, both in terms of a strong competitive performance, but also in terms of getting the business ready for the merger later in the year.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Srini will cover the final stages towards the merger a little later. Our first half results with a sustained strong developed market performance and emerging markets starting to improve give us real grounds for confidence for the second half of the year and beyond. With that, let me hand over to Srini to tell you through the detail of the results. Srini?

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Thank you, Fernando. Underlying sales growth in second quarter was 3.8%, a sequential improvement versus the first quarter. USG was balanced across volume and price with volume growth contributing 1.8%, a 50 basis point step up versus quarter one and price growth of 2%. As a result, underlying sales growth for the first half was 3.4 with volumes of 1.5 and price 1.9. Price growth continued to step up as we responded to ongoing input cost inflation and currency movements.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

All our business groups delivered positive volume growth On a two year CAGR basis, we delivered our multiyear objective of volumes of at least 2%. Our power brands, which contribute over 75% of the group turnover, grew 3.8% in the first half, including 1.6 from volume. Growth improved in the second quarter up to 4.4% with volumes above 2%. Strong performances included double digit growth from Vaseline, Liquid IV, Nutrafol and Magnum and high single digit growth from Dove and Comfort. Before turning to the business groups, let me first provide some color on our performance across different geographies.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Developed markets, which represented 44% of group turnover, continued to perform strongly with first half USG of 4.3% driven by 3.4% volume and 0.9% price. We have now delivered four consecutive quarters of growth of about 4% in developed markets. North America underlying sales grew 5.4% with 3.7% from volume. This reflects the ongoing impact of our multi year portfolio transformation with standout performances from our well-being brands and personal care, which is back to competitive growth. Share gains across key categories were supported by premium innovations such as the ongoing success of sugar free liquid ivy, whole body deodorants, and Hellmann's flavored mayonnaise and underpinned by a continued step up to brand investment.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Europe grew underlying sales by 3.4 with 2.8 from volume. Growth was broad based across markets, and we are winning share across the geography, including share gain in all of our top five markets. Performance was driven by home care where the rollout of WonderWash and SIFF Infinite Clean showcased the strength of our multiyear premium innovation strategy. And by ice cream, we saw standout results from the new Magnum Utopia range. Personal care delivered solid results with the successful launch of whole body deodorants.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Asia Pacific Africa, which represents 43% of group turnover, delivered underlying first half sales growth of 3.5% with 1.9 from volume and 1.6% from price. Growth strengthened in the second quarter reflecting a step up in performance across key markets. India performed well with 5% USG in second quarter largely driven by volume and continued share gains in a gradually improving market. Growth was led by our premium portfolio in Beauty and Well-being and Personal Care, while Home Care continued to deliver strong volume growth. In Indonesia, which declined by around 5% and China, we saw a low single digit decline.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

We are seeing improvements to run rates as a result of our significant interventions in our key brand innovation plans, in channel distribution and in pricing execution. We expect further acceleration in Asia Pacific and Africa in the second half. Latin America, which represent 13% of the group turnover grew 0.5 with a 4.6% decline in volume. There are three important points to note here. First, pricing actions to offset currency movements weighed on volumes.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

While Argentina delivered growth, this was offset by a single digit decline in Brazil and Mexico. Market growth across the region remained subdued significantly below the prior year levels, reflecting a challenging macroeconomic environment. We are also lapping a high base as Latin America delivered high single digit growth in the same period last year. However, it is important to highlight that our growth in Latin America remains competitive with continued share gains across the region. Let me now turn to our business groups.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Beauty and Well-being underlying sales growth was 3.7 in the first half driven by 1.7 volume and two price. Volume growth remains resilient with a two year CAGR of 3.2%. Sustained strong momentum in our well-being business led the growth. Core skincare delivered low single digit growth and hair care and prestige beauty were flat. Beauty and well-being volumes were also impacted by our ongoing corrective actions in Indonesia and China.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

We remain confident in delivering sequential volume improvements in the second half. Well-being has now delivered strong double digit growth for twenty one consecutive quarters. Power brands Liquid IV and Nutrafol continue to deliver exceptional performances fueled by a strong pipeline of innovations, high levels of brand investment, and expansion of their global presence. Hair care was flat. Dove grew mid single digits supported by a significant relaunch featuring cutting edge fiber repair technology and a complete packaging redesign.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

This was partially offset by a decline in clear which was impacted by market conditions in China and by a volume decline in Tresume, where pricing actions are being implemented to restore desired price relativity. Core skincare delivered low single digit growth. Dove and Vaseline grew double digit, led by premium innovations and a strong modern reach and persuasion programs such as Vaseline's Social First Verified campaign where our scientists test and verify viral Vaseline hacks. Prestige Beauty was flat in the first half. Our most premium brands Hourglass in color cosmetics, Tatcha, a luxury Japanese skincare brand, and k eighteen, a biotech haircare brand continued to grow double digit.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

While the continued softness in The U. S. Market weighed on the performance of brands like Dermalogica and Paula's Choice. Underlying operating margin was 19.4%, down 60 basis points versus the prior year as we increased our brand and marketing investment behind key innovations and market development. Personal Care delivered a good first half with 4.8% underlying sales growth driven by 1.4% volume and 3.3% price.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Our two year volume CAGR was 2.3% despite a softening of volumes in the second quarter, which reflected subdued macro conditions in Latin America and recent pricing actions to offset currency movements. Dove, our largest brand, grew high single digit as premium innovations continued to perform strongly, driving both growth and consumer engagement. Deodorants grew low single digit. Dove and Dove Men plus Care grew double digits supported by the continued success of whole body deodorants, while Rexona was impacted by a weaker Latin America market despite significant share gains in the region. Skin cleansing grew low single digit with strong contributions from North America and India offsetting declines in Indonesia and China.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Dove led our growth with a further rollout of its premium body wash, including new variants and new markets. The relaunch of Lipo in India has slowed its decline, though further work is required to be done to return the brand to growth. Oral Care delivered mid single digit growth with growth in both Close-up and Pepsodent, our two power brands in the category. Underlying operating margin was 22.1%, down 90 basis points as gross margin improvement was offset by a step up in brand investment focused on The U. S.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

And in the premium segments. In the first half of the year, we announced a further strengthening of our personal care portfolio through bolt on acquisitions. We acquired Wild, the refillable deodorant brand, and we signed an agreement to acquire Doctor. Squatch, a high performing male grooming brand with a loyal following and a standout digital engagement, particularly in North America. Both brands are highly complementary to our existing portfolio, filling gaps in the natural space and in the super premium segments.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Homecare underlying sales grew 1.3% with 1.1% from volume and 0.2% from price. Underlying sales growth stepped up to 1.8% in quarter two, driven by a sequential improvement in Asia and continued momentum of our premium innovations in Europe. This was partially offset by a decline in Latin America. Fabric cleaning declined low single digit with modest decreases in both volume and price. Performance was impacted by a high single digit decline in Brazil, home care's second largest market, where we suffered some competitive pressures in the laundry powders following pricing actions.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Despite these headwinds, innovation continues to drive momentum. Our short cycle WonderWash laundry liquid continues to perform strongly and has now been rolled out to 22 markets and recently launched two new variants, sensitive and dazzling white. Home and hygiene performed well with SIF and Domestos both delivering strong growth driven by continued innovation in formats such as sprays and power foams. Fabric enhancers grew high single digit supported by the success of comfort crystal fresh technology, which contributed to the brand's high single digit volume growth. Underlying operating margin was 15.5%, a decline of 80 basis points due to a lower gross margin as we lapped a particularly strong prior year comparator, which benefited from carryover pricing and easing commodity costs.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Foods delivered competitive sales of 2.2% with 0.3% from volume and 1.9 from price. Growth improved in the second quarter led by continued momentum in Hellmann's where the flavored Mayonnaise ranges remain a key growth driver. Cooking aids grew low single digit driven by price. Volumes turned positive in the second quarter led by the largest brand, Knorr, which continues to lead in bouillon and seasonings. Unilever food solutions was flat with positive volume offset by negative price.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Growth in North America was partially offset by decline in China. In China, out of home eating showed some improvement in the second quarter, but the overall market remained soft. Underlying operating margins improved by 100 basis points to 23.3%, reflecting disciplined execution of pricing, mix management, and productivity. Ice cream underlying sales grew 5.9% driven by a 3.8 increase in volume and two, price growth. This was supported by the actions we have taken over the last eighteen months to enhance our innovations, our pricing and promotions, and our operations.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Both in home and out of home ice cream segments grew mid single digits with positive contributions from both volume and price. Double digit growth in Magnum led the performance supported by the successful launch of its Utopia range and the continued momentum of snacking format bonbons. Coneto also performed well, growing high single digits. Underlying operating margin declined by 40 basis points due to a gross margin decline. However, our operational improvements and pricing have offset most of the continued cost inflation of key commodities, particularly cocoa.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Over the past eighteen months, we have been laying the foundations for the ice cream's future success as an independent company. The complex process of separation has progressed well, and today, we are pleased to confirm that. As of the July 1, ice cream began operating as a stand alone business. The demerger of the ice cream will take place in mid November. Ahead of the demerger, on the September 9 in London, the Magnum ice cream company will be holding a capital markets day presenting the strategy and the value creation plan for the business.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

In October, shareholders can expect to receive Unilever Circular, which will set out further information on the demerger, and the prospectuses will then be available around a week before the demerger. We continue to believe that this business has an exciting future as a pure play global ice cream business, and which brings me to the next steps by Unilever. We are announcing today our intention to retain a stake of just below 20% in the Magnum Ice Cream Company for a period of up to five years subject to necessary regulatory approval. Over time, the retained stake will be sold in an orderly and considered manner to pay for the separation costs and maintain capital flexibility through a reduction in net debt. The retained stake demonstrates our support and belief in the future of the Magnum Ice Cream Company.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

As a part of the demerger process, we will be allocating debt between Unilever and the Magnum Ice Cream Company. This is expected to result in a net debt to EBITDA ratio of approximately 2x for Unilever and a solid investment grade profile of around 2.4x for the Magnum Ice Cream Company. Subject to shareholder approval, Unilever intends to consolidate its share capital post the demerger of the ice cream company. This would be a technical adjustment and in line with market practice following similar situations to preserve the comparability of our share price, EPS, and DPS before and after the demerger. We will share further details in early October.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Let me now return to Unilever's performance at the group level. Turnover for the first half was 30,100,000,000.0, down 3.2% year on year. Underlying sales growth of 3.4% was more than offset by negative currency impact of 4%. If currencies remain where they were on July 28, the currency impact on full year turnover would be between 56% and around 20 basis points on underlying operating margin. While several currencies contribute to this outlook, it is worth noting that in quarter two, the currency impact increased primarily due to the depreciation of the US dollar versus the euro.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

We expect this euro dollar dynamic to remain the largest contributor in the second half. We will continue to update you on this as the year unfolds. Portfolio changes also reduced reported turnover with an impact of 2.5% from net disposals. Acquisitions contributed 0.2% led by strong double digit growth from k eighteen and the addition of Wilde. This was more than offset by a 2.7% impact from disposals, including the sale of Elida Beauty completed in June 2024 and the exits of Unilever Russia and our water purification business both completed in October 2024.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

In 2025, we faced inflationary pressures from both commodities and currency, most notably in ice cream, personal care, and in Latin America. This stands in sharp contrast to the same period in 2024 where we experienced deflation and we benefited from carryover pricing. As indicated earlier, we have implemented calibrated price increases across our portfolio in response. Our continued margin progression reflects the impact of several levers: volume leverage as we scale efficiently across categories superior mix driven by brand, portfolio, and channel optimization, significant buying efficiencies unlocked through our advanced net productivity models and targeted value chain interventions across the supply chain, Cost to serve optimization underpinned by disciplined cost control and consistent execution across our supply chain and commercial operations. We have maintained a sharp focus on allocating at least 55% of our capital expenditure towards margin accretive initiatives, and we are seeing the benefits in both production and logistics costs.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

This positions us well for continued margin resilience and supports our ambition to deliver quality growth over the medium term. Underlying operating margins was 19.3%, down 30 basis points, reflecting a step up in brand and marketing investments. We have leveraged our strong gross margins and productivity gains to reinvest behind our brands. Brand and marketing investment increased by 40 basis points to 15.5% of turnover, reflecting our continued commitment to competitive brand and innovation support. Notably, 100% of the incremental BMI as a percentage of turnover was directed towards our power brands with over 80% of that increase focused on beauty and personal care.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Overheads improved by 10 basis points as productivity gains and tighter cost control more than offset inflationary pressures and the costs associated with the setting up and running ice cream as a stand alone business. Our productivity program is significantly ahead of expectations, and we now expect to realize approximately $650,000,000 in cumulative savings by year end. This is $100,000,000 above the guidance we shared with our quarter one results. Underlying operating profit was $5,800,000,000 a decline of 4.8% versus the prior year. Underlying earnings per share was 1.59, a decline of 2.1%.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Lower year on year net finance costs were driven by reduced cost of debt and increased pension income. Net finance cost as a percentage of average net debt was 2.5% and we continue to expect this to be around 3% for the full year. Tax contributed 1.4%. The underlying effective tax rate for the first half decreased to 25.2% from 26% in the prior year. This was primarily due to lower unrecognized losses and other one off items.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Our full year guidance remains unchanged at around 26%. We completed our latest round of share buyback of EUR 1,500,000,000.0 at the May. Share buybacks contributed 1.5% to the earnings in the first half. Lower tax and finance costs and the benefit of share buyback was more than offset by a 5.1% adverse impact from currency movement. Free cash flow for the 2025 was Euro 1,100,000,000.0 compared to 2,200,000,000.0 in the prior year due to lower operating profit, ice cream separation costs, and higher working capital to support supply chain resilience during the period of tariffs uncertainty.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Capital expenditure and income tax remained broadly flat. We are confident in our full year free cash flow delivery and continue to expect free cash flow conversion of around 100%. With more certainty about tariffs, the increases in the stock holding in the first half will be reversed during the second half. As a part of our capital allocation priorities, we continue to pursue targeted acquisitions to sharpen our portfolio focus and capture growth opportunities in attractive segments. In April, we completed the acquisition of Minimalist, a premium actives led beauty brand that supports the evolution of our beauty and well-being portfolio in India.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

As mentioned earlier, we also acquired Wilde in April and signed an agreement in June to acquire Doctor. Squatch, both aligned with our strategy to strengthen our presence in high growth premium segments and channels. In March, we also announced the sale of nonstrategic asset, The Vegetarian Butcher, reflecting our focus on businesses with potential to be scaled. And finally, we continue capital returns to our shareholders both through dividends and share buybacks. The quarterly dividend for second quarter is up 3% versus quarter two twenty twenty four and in line with quarter one twenty twenty five dividend.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

And as I mentioned earlier, we've completed our 1,500,000,000.0 share buyback program announced in February at the May. With that, over to you, Fernando.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Thank you, Srini. As I said at the outset, the result put us on track to deliver our full year outlook for 2025 on both the top and bottom line. On growth, we expect underlying sales growth to be within the range of 3% to 5%. Our growth in the second half will outpace the first despite subdued market conditions supported by continued outperformance in developed markets and already a stronger momentum in emerging markets, particularly Asia. On the bottom line, we anticipate an improvement in underlying operating margin for the full year with second half margins of at least 18.5%, a significant improvement versus the 2024, which can be explained by volume gross leverage, higher productivity, and interventions in the value chain of key materials.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Of course, we remain agile as we expect that the macro and currency environment will remain uncertain. However, we are confident in the outlook we are sharing today. First, because our performance in the developed markets is built on increasingly strong foundations and is being sustained. We have just delivered our fourth consecutive quarter of underlying sales growth in excess of 4%. This outperformance is not happening by chance.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

It is a direct consequence of the focus in our power brands and the investments we have made. In North America, for example, our performance is driven by the continuous transformation of the portfolio with beauty and well-being and personal care representing more than 75% of our US business after the demerger of ice cream. The pruning of non strategic brands or brands in the value segment of our portfolio has supported our growing presence in premium, high growth spaces with a strong digital commerce footprint. And in Europe, we are seeing the benefits of our increased focus with our performance led by premium innovations from Persil Wonderwash to See if Infinite Clean to Whole Body Deodorants. Second, at the same time as we have momentum in the developed markets, we see clear signs of pickup in the emerging markets.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

This is being led by our biggest region, Asia Pacific Africa. The actions we have taken in both China and Indonesia are yielding improvements, which we expect to accelerate further in the second half. And Momentum is building in India where we have recently appointed a new head of the business, Priya Nair, who takes over on August 1 after having successfully led our global beauty and well-being business. Priya combines a deep understanding of our home and personal care business in India that she successfully ran for many years with the knowledge of international markets that is necessary to keep our portfolio in tune with the significant consumer needs and channel shifts already visible in the market. Weakening economic conditions are impacting our business in Latin America, and in particular, in our two biggest markets, Brazil and Mexico.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Whilst conditions will remain challenging, we expect to see some improvement during the second half. Taking overall, however, the momentum in the developed markets and the improvement we are seeing in the emerging markets give us confidence that growth will accelerate in the second half of the year. This acceleration is part of the work we are doing for 2025, but also to set the foundations as we look further ahead. And as we do that, we are very clear of the two overriding objectives. Namely, that we run the company for multiyear volume growth of at least two percent and to consistently expand our gross margin.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

The delivery of these two objectives translate into expected mid single digit underlying sales growth and modest margin improvement that we believe will provide top third returns to our shareholders. And as we pursue these metrics, we will do so as a simpler, more focused company, one with stronger fundamentals and a clearer strategic direction. Post the merger with ice cream, Unilever will be a €52,000,000,000 business with a structurally higher margin profile, improved returns, and a strong cash generation. On 2024 financials, our gross margin will be 46.7%, up 160 basis points. Underlying operating margins of 19.4%, up 100 basis points.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

And return on invested capital, 19.1%, up 100 basis points with cash conversion of around 100%. In half one twenty twenty five, Unilever excluding ice cream sustained this growth momentum with a two year compound annual volume growth of over 2%, 3% in the case of power brands. The strategic shift that we are making position us very well to deliver consistent high quality growth with greater agility and sharper execution. Let me now share a bit on the transformation journey I am leading to turn Unilever into a consistently high performing business. It is a transformation founded on six principles.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

First, continuing to shift the portfolio towards beauty and well-being and personal care. And in that context, you heard Shini talk about the recent acquisitions of Minimalist, Wilde, and Doctor Squash. Second, we are increasingly set up for success in our two biggest markets, The United States and India. We will invest disproportionately to ensure we get the full benefits of Unilever scale and advantage portfolio footprint in these markets, delivering above group average volume growth. Third, we are shifting resources decisively in the direction of premium science based innovation, responding to the consumer's increasingly insatiable desire for brands that are premium, whether in the experience they provide, the indulgence they grant, or the convenience they offer.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Fourth, the concept of desire at scale is so core now to the way we think about elevating our brands and innovations that we intend to make it central to every brand in every geography, all part of putting our brands to the service of making new markets, new segments, new benefits, new formats. Fifth, we are bringing operational excellence back to the heart of the business in our determination to make Unilever a marketing and sales machine, both online and offline. And six, under this transformation, we will play to win because winning is habit forming. We will invest in the development of our people to help make this happen while at the same time being uncompromising when it comes to appointing the best talent and ensuring accountability for performance. These are the principles that are guiding our transformation, and the benefits are already evident in our first half performance.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We look forward to sharing further details with you in the months ahead. In the meantime, let me just set out briefly today how many of these principles come together in the features and performance of one particular brand, Bazzling, as it really does encapsulate how we see the future. No brand is more emblematic of our core than Vaseline. After all, it has been around for one hundred and fifty five years. Yet in recent years, it has been on a remarkable journey, pioneering the kind of desire at scale thinking we want now to replicate across all our brands.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

And you see the results of this journey on the screen here. 11% compounded annual growth rate over the last four years, growing volumes over 10% both in 2024 and in the 2025. Its biggest market, The US. Its biggest expansion plan, India. From a tire undated looking brand just ten years ago, it is becoming a true global power brand.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

His journey has been highly instructive when we talk about desire at the scale. First, he has put breakthrough science at the heart of his proposition. As for example, with the use of cutting edge serum technologies and invisible sun protection factor in products like Lutahaya. Second, the aesthetics of the brand have been significantly step up From the packaging to the performance to advertising, everything screams premium. And it scores equally high on another dimension that today's increasingly discerning consumers regard as key sensorials, which are evident in the brand's light instantly absorbable lotions.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

From a tire and fragmented design platform a few years back, the brand now has a cohesive and distinctive health and beauty look across all platforms. And we are also using a modern approach to scale the brand with more focus on content at scale in what others say and in influencers. Whether it is a Vaseline verified social first hacks campaign, which won recently nine awards at Cannes, or culturally relevant ad apps such as with the hit series, The White Lotus, Vaseline is leading the way when it comes to new models of reach and persuasion. More on this to come as we are still delivering desire at scale to every brand in every geography. But from what I have shared today, I hope you can see that.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

The principles guiding our transformation are clear, and so too are our objectives, to deliver multiyear volume growth of at least 2% and consistent gross margin expansion. Our financial profile post demerger is well placed to support this ambition with improvements anticipated in profitability and returns. With that, let me briefly recap before taking questions. We delivered a resilient performance in the first half of this year. Moreover, we are confident that growth will accelerate in the second half.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

The building blocks are in place to ensure this happens. As a result, we are on track for our full year outlook for 2025. We are confirming today that the demerger of ice cream will take place in the November as well as our intention to retain a stake of just below 20% in the business. And finally, the transformation of Unilever is not just on track. It is accelerating.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We are very clear on the desire of the scale principles that underpin this journey. And we are equally clear on what we must deliver, sustained volume growth and consistent growth margin expansion. The next phase is about execution in the front line, sharpening our focus on becoming a true marketing and safe machine. And with that, we look forward to taking your questions. Thank you.

Operator

Morning. Many thanks for joining the call.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Good morning everyone and thank you for being with us today. I'm here with Trini. We have delivered a solid set of results in the first half and would like to reinforce our confidence in delivering our 3% to 5% top line growth outlook for 2025 with a good balance between volume and price and an operating margin for the second half of at least 18.5%, more than 100 basis points up versus the operating margin of second half last year. Just as a reminder, our full year outlook includes ice cream. However, I would like to highlight that the top line outlook holds also for the remaining company excluding ice cream and that both our gross margin and operating margin will be higher and will increase more in the remaining company when excluding ice cream. With that, Seema, we can take questions.

Operator

Thanks, Fernando. Our first question comes from Celine at JPMorgan. Go ahead, Celine.

Celine Pannuti
Celine Pannuti
Managing Director at JP Morgan

All right. Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. Well, Fernando, since you mentioned the ex ice cream performance, so ex ice cream H1 was growing at 3% with 1% volume. Do you expect to see the ex ice cream acceleration the acceleration you mentioned in volume showing into the ex ice cream portfolio in the second half of the year, I.

Celine Pannuti
Celine Pannuti
Managing Director at JP Morgan

E, could we be in the 4% to six range? And if you could talk about the H2 volume acceleration that you are that you flagged in the presentation on both Personal Care and Health and When Being division? That would be my first question.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Yes. We ran the business with the intention of delivering volume growth of about 2% for the remaining company. We are very confident that we'll achieve that in the second half. Our intention is to do that. There are several factors that give us confidence to acceleration of growth in the second half.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

The market volume growth has slightly improved from quarter one to quarter two. It was 1.2% in quarter one, going to 1.4%. We don't expect a reversal of that trend. All the regions with the exception of China and Latin America show higher market volume growth in the quarter two versus quarter one. I feel the second point is our UBS, our admissible brand superiority scores are improving.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We have close to 60% of our portfolio strengthening Brand Power. We are outperforming in developed markets. We see an acceleration of markets in India. We are also gaining shares and growing extremely fast in the fast growing channels like quick commerce. We have increased investments in our brands and we will sustain highly competitive EMI levels between 15%, 16% of our revenue at the time in which we have seen some of our competitors slashing investment down as you could see in the quarter two SGA of many competitors.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We have a strong progress in gross margin that allow us to increase the delivery to increase fuel for increase the BMI. And finally, we have a very, very strong innovation plan, one of the best in many years. It's hitting markets between April and September in most of our regions. I can call whole body deodorants, the geographical expansion of WonderWash in laundry, Cif Infinite Clean, Dab Hair relaunch between many, many others. So I would like to highlight also that our run rates today, our sales run rates, the current run rates will allow us to deliver this acceleration of growth in the second half.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We expect significant contributions to growth from Indonesia, China that have been significant drags in the past. So we are confident in this higher volume growth in the second half, particularly in the remaining company. We are not complacent about it. We will remain agile. We will adjust our plans if necessary.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

But we believe really that we have the right place the right tools in place to perform.

Operator

Thank you, Celine. Did you mention

Celine Pannuti
Celine Pannuti
Managing Director at JP Morgan

that Thank you have another could you allow me a second question?

Operator

Yes, please go ahead.

Celine Pannuti
Celine Pannuti
Managing Director at JP Morgan

Yes. So I will leave I just wanted to go on M and A. You did a few deals including Duster Squad. So if you could explain to us what you saw in that brand and what do you think is the resilience of that brand in the long run? And then whether now that the you feel that you have enough on your plate in terms of the acquisition you've made or you think that with the disposal of ice cream you are willing to step up the M and A agenda?

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We are convinced of our strategy of bolt on M and A. We continue piling assets in the beauty and personal care space and the well-being space particularly in The U. S. With the intention of really building a portfolio of American brands with great potential to travel internationally. We have very clear criteria of what type of brands we look for.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We look at digitally native brands, authentic brands with superior functionality, with strong clinicals, with a strong presence in digital commerce and Doctor. Squash fits all these kind of criteria. Isabelandos is growing fast, it will fill a gap that we have in our portfolio in the premium segment in Dios in The U. S. And in skin cleansing in The U.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

S. Despite the fact that we have made significant progress and we are back to share gain in both in skin cleansing and Dios in The U. S. And also in the premium segment. But we believe that this brand really provides us with a significant weapon in the male grooming space and we are very happy in the announcement of our decision that as you know is subject to regulatory approval.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We have also acquired WILD in the natural space, a refillable deodorant. That brand based in U. K. But making a strong entry in U. S.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Also and it's another way of really protecting our portfolio in categories in which we have global leadership and leadership in The U. S. Also.

Operator

Thanks. Our next question comes from Warren at Barclays. Go ahead Warren.

Warren Ackerman
MD and head of EU Consumer Staples Research at Barclays Investment Bank

Yes. Good morning, everybody. Good morning, Fernando, Srini, Gemma. So yes, two for me. First one is, Fernando, can you dive a bit more into emerging markets?

Warren Ackerman
MD and head of EU Consumer Staples Research at Barclays Investment Bank

Clearly, we've got here today, America a bit worse, Asia a bit better. So on Latin America, volume is down 6%. What's happening in Mexico and Brazil? It looks like you're taking pricing ahead of competition. Previously, you talked about destocking in Brazil.

Warren Ackerman
MD and head of EU Consumer Staples Research at Barclays Investment Bank

How should we think about the outlook for Latin America in the second half of the year? What's happening on the whole powders liquids transition? Just to understand a bit on the ground what you're seeing. And then the second one is really on the Asia recovery. It's good to see India picking up in the second quarter versus the first quarter.

Warren Ackerman
MD and head of EU Consumer Staples Research at Barclays Investment Bank

Could you maybe do a little tour of India, Indonesia and China. I mean, would you expect, for example, India to continue to step up growth in the second half compared to the second quarter, which is already a step up compared to the first quarter? So a little bit on the kind of EMPs, LatAm versus Asia? And then the second one, I guess, is just on the performance of The U. S.

Warren Ackerman
MD and head of EU Consumer Staples Research at Barclays Investment Bank

There's obviously a lot of moving pieces in The U. S. With channel shift, consumers, some destocking. I mean, I'm quite interested to know what you're seeing particularly in Personal Care. Are we seeing we're clearly seeing a slowdown in prestige in The U.

Warren Ackerman
MD and head of EU Consumer Staples Research at Barclays Investment Bank

S. Do you expect that to continue into the second half? What's happening to the kind of the market share competitiveness in The U. S? Thank you.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Good. Let me start Warren with LATAM and then I will give the word to Srini that will cover Asia in detail. It has been a weak quarter in LATAM for us. We have been lapping very, very strong comparators and markets are under pressure at the time in which we had to increase prices to cope with the sizable devaluation of currencies. The Brazilian and Mexico economies are experiencing a significant slowdown, extremely high interest rates in Brazil, remittances into Mexico down after eleven years of growth, tariff uncertainty in both country that all these have not been helping.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

As a result of all these, the market volume growth to which Unilever is exposed in the region our turnover weighted market volume growth moved from 7% growth in half one twenty twenty four, 3% in half two twenty twenty four to flat in half one twenty twenty five and negative in the quarter two. I feel important point to highlight that as our shares are strong in the region, we have had gains in shares in LatAm in the last six quarters at an aggregated level. There is only one significant exception in the short term, it's Laundry Brazil. I have to recognize that we have scored some own goals there. We went too far with our pricing in the powder format.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We lost competitiveness. This has led to some share loss and to some excess of a talk in the trade. We have already corrected our pricing in powders and in a market where there is a fast transition from powders to liquids, we are rolling out our very successful European WonderWash mix in quarter three. So we expect a quick return to competitiveness in Laundry in Brazil and overall significant improvement in South America. I would like to highlight also probably the other two largest business in the regions that are deodorants and foods.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Endurance and foods, our share has been extremely strong in Dios across the whole region, in foods particularly in condiments Brazil where Helmholtz is going from a strength to a strength. But we have seen a sharp deceleration of the Dios market growth and we have seen also some slowdown of the cooking aids market in Mexico where as you know NOR has close to 75% share. So in aggregate, this is not something we have not seen in LATAM before. Markets in LATAM, given the volatility of the economy there, tend to operate outside the long term potential growth range, sometimes above, sometimes below. We will do what we have done always, that is focused on protecting our leadership positions.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We will restore our strategic pricing in relativity where necessary, the case of laundry powder and we will keep innovating in our brands. So then markets will tend. Our expectation is that markets will get better by the end of the year, but let's see. Suneet, India,

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Look Indonesia and Juan, thanks Warren. I think it's we have been calling about our emerging markets being a strength for us, notably the Asia Pac. And we've also told you earlier that we will see positive growth coming up in half two. Actually, quarter two is a good proof point of it where our growth rates are actually in excess of 5% in the Asia Pac region. And that starts to give us a good flavor in terms of the trajectory that we are on.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

If I pick up India, in our last call, we had told you that, look, we don't see any more additional headwinds. There are tailwinds coming through given the macros, disposable income, various measures taken by the government. That has really started to play. On a MAC basis, we see volume stability and if you've actually seen the market growth in the last twelve weeks, we see an improvement. There's also been a big work which has happened in terms of the portfolio transformation where we are actually investing behind the market makers beyond the core portfolio.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

When we add up all of this, we've started to see a step up in volume. We're also investing behind both core and in the future formats. And then now you start to see that India has actually got into volumes of upwards of four. It's broad based. The important element is that we see good performance in Home Care, where we see high single digit volumes.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

We have seen the headline growth rates pick up both in Beauty and in Personal Care, and some of the drag in Foods is sequentially actually getting better. From a channel perspective, very strong plans, not just on the general trade, but on QuickCommerce and e commerce. In e commerce, we are sales are growing in double digit. In QuickCommerce, we have actually doubled our business and that's becoming a larger contribution. That again starts to become a tailwind for us as we look at this growth opportunity.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

So in aggregate, we feel quite confident and comfortable with the India growth trajectory, and we will expect this to do well. So we will gain shares. We are gaining shares, so there's a lot of confidence in India. If I come to Indonesia, you have also seen that today they published their results. Again, this is this is where we said we are making good progress on fundamentals as well as on the brand measures.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

On the fundamentals, if you really see, we made all the stock corrections. Our service levels are up by about 26%. We have price stability, which is enabling us to increase actually direct coverage in general trade and improving assortment. We also reset our cost base through multiple programs, which is actually giving us the fuel to start to invest behind these businesses. You start to see that the sequential trajectory of volumes is getting better.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Our volumes are slightly negative in quarter two, better than half quarter one. And we are confident that in half two, we will come into positive trajectory just by holding our run rates. But more important, there is reason for us to be excited. When you look at some of the future formats such as beauty and well-being, there is 11% of that business which is all about future formats, skin, serums, and business is actually going 36%. So this is just not a fundamental reset of the operational metrics, but we have now started to see some green shoots in terms of real brand measures coming through and brand growths coming through.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

And a quick one on China. We've always said that in the sequence, will start to see Indonesia go much faster and better than China. We are comfortable with how China is progressing. On a RemainCo basis, we are close to flat volumes in quarter two. A lot of fundamental work in terms of go to market has already been done, and we are getting good confidence in terms of run rates and therefore growth in China.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

We have to admit that the China market is slightly challenging, and I think Fernando will touch upon it. If there are two places where the market growths are a little under pressure, it's Latin America and China. Notwithstanding that, given the fundamentals and given the run rates, we are confident of China also returning to growth in half two.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Regarding U. S. Warren, I feel the performance we have been having in North America, we have already four consecutive quarters of volume growth of about 4% at the time in which markets have been visibly tougher. I believe it's a reflection of the profound transformation we have done in our portfolio. The setup of what we call a U.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

S. For U. S. Innovation model and a huge focus in strengthening relations with the retailers showing them our ability to grow markets. After the separation of ice cream, our retail personal care business will represent more than 75% of our revenue in The U.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

S. It is an advantage with our footprint. As I mentioned to Salim before, we will keep investing organically and through M and A to go deeper in that direction. In the first half of the year, Bute and Wolvin, we have had some exceptional performance in Wolvin, double digit growth in both Liquid IV and Nutrafol. Both brands are approaching the $1,000,000,000 revenue mark for the year.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

In Personal Care as I mentioned before, we have regained market share. We are gaining share again in skin cleansing deals. And very importantly, we have had a significant improvement in our position in the super premium segment that as you know has been a long standing issue. There are issues also in The U. S.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We have a weak quarter in CareCare. We made an unsuccessful attempt to reposition price in transformation pools in The U. S. This has already been corrected. And we also take a decision, a conscious decision to focus our portfolio behind our power brands dub, Tresemme, Nexus and SheaMoisture and this has basically triggered the delisting the initiation of delisting of some unprofitable tail hair care brands in The U.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

S. Like Axe Hair or Lamp Beauty and Planet. I would like to highlight also the impact of our focus in partnership with customers. We have just received the results of the most popular annual retailer survey. It's called Advantage survey.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We are ranked number one supplier in Personal Care, number one in Foods, number three in Beauty. We have never achieved that before. This is a very different U. S. Business to the one we used to have years ago and we are very confident in our prospects there.

Operator

Our next question comes from Callum at Bernstein. Go ahead, Callum.

Callum Elliott
Senior Analyst at Bernstein

Perfect. Thank you very much for the questions. Firstly, wanted to talk to you about the organizational kind of redesign that you announced last November with the sort of segmentation of the business into top 24 markets and one year liver markets. I don't think you spoke about that at all today on the presentation. So my question is how is that process progressing?

Callum Elliott
Senior Analyst at Bernstein

Is the new structure now fully in place? Or are you still implementing that? And have you started to see any of the benefits yet? Just hoping you can give us a little bit of an update there. And then my second question, if that's okay, I just wanted to build on Celine's question about M and A.

Callum Elliott
Senior Analyst at Bernstein

I guess more broadly, question rather than being specific to Doctor. Squatch or Wilde, etcetera, is there's obviously a huge amount going on in the business today from new leadership, organizational redesign, the ice cream spin, food divestitures and now these new acquisitions as well. So my question here is what would you say, Fernando, to investors who are concerned that there's a risk of too many plates spinning, I guess, in the business today? Thank you.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Thank you. Let me start by organization. It's true we have organized ourselves From Market 25 onwards, we run it in a one Unilever basis. We believe that the biggest markets deserve the focus and specialization of a category led organization.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

And for Market 25 onwards, we don't have enough critical mass to make that happen. We have landed the divisionalization of our sales force in the top 24 markets. We have 63 different sales force now. This is a key, key priority in the business. We initiated that in January 1.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

It is completed. I cannot say that I'm absolutely happy with that. There is significant progress that have to be made. I believe that in the last three years we have made significant, significant improvement in our product development and in the management of our category strategies and our brands innovation plan, but execution has to improve in the markets and this is the reason that we have decided on this divisionalization. In the one year lever markets, it's going very, very well.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We have grown both in quarter two and in half one in this market close to 5%, more precisely 4.9% with 3.2% under sorry, with 1.6% underlying volume growth and 3.2% pricing. We are running these markets now with an organization that is 35% smaller. So this business has became accretive in profit to Unilever also and is a taker of innovation from the category organization that runs our top 24 markets. Regarding M and A, our responsibility is to keep doing a rotation in our portfolio that fundamentally expose us to higher growth. I believe the most important metric of any business is a turnover weighted market volume growth, the market volume growth at which a business is exposed.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We want to consolidate our market volume growth exposure in The U. S. And also I believe that one of the fundamental strategic issues of Unilever is the fact that we are in certain way a federation of local and regional brands and building a strong portfolio in The U. S. Give us the possibility of building a portfolio that is more cohesive and more consistent globally with American brands that travel internationally into the premium segment, into the digital commerce channel.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

So in fast moving consumer goods, you have to do many things and you have to do all them fast. So we are taking on that challenge and we are confident that we can manage that. Thank you, Karim.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Olivier at Goldman Sachs. Go ahead,

Olivier Nicolaï
Olivier Nicolaï
Head - Consumer Staples Research at Goldman Sachs

Hi, good morning, Fernando, St. Louis and Gemma. Just two questions, please. First one, going back to the margin guidance and the implied strong progression that you are going to have in H2. Is there any particular divisions or regions why it's going to be more pronounced?

Olivier Nicolaï
Olivier Nicolaï
Head - Consumer Staples Research at Goldman Sachs

And then secondly, on just going back on ice cream and on the demerger. The fact that you will retain a 20% stake, which we sell over time, will the proceed be helping essentially to reduce UniVer debt? Or is there any tax liabilities arising from the spin off that you will have to pay?

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Srini? Olivier, I think first, it's important to highlight the quality of margins and quality of profitability. I think that's the more important element for me. This is coming through from the right levers that we exercise, which is really volume, superior mix, absolute world class savings coming through from our procurement organization and a cost discipline end to end and cost to serve and really our repositioning of our capital expenditure, which has happened towards savings. Along with that, there has been an enhanced focus on our own productivity.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

We are actually now cumulatively talking about our organization productivity savings at CHF $650,000,000, which is CHF 100,000,000 over and above what we achieved or what we told you earlier. This is actually giving us and most important element for us is that competitively behind our businesses between 1516%. And we will keep this going into half two. What gives us confidence into half two to at least from the reason for us calling out an 18.5%? The levers and drivers that I spoke about remain intact.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Commodity outlook is relatively stable, notwithstanding some variations to Forex. We have good covers, physical as well as financial instruments. Having said that, there is a bit of an uptake when it comes to the costs in half two versus half one. So when we take both of this and continue to invest behind our business, we will improve margins. We should also say that our half two guidance actually includes ice creams, and therefore, there is a mix effect which has plays out slightly adverse.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Coming back to your question, so therefore, is enough ammunition for us to do the right things for the business, invest behind the business, invest behind our growth and enhance margins. Will this play out very differently across the business groups? Nothing material that we would like to call because the profile of the margins is different in each of the business groups. There are some dynamics which are slightly different, investment levels which are different, and we will do that with Agility. At this stage, I don't believe we need to make the distinction between business groups, but appropriate to say that we are adequately invested behind each of them and delivering the expansion.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

The second part, there is a strategic element to the stake, which Fernando can touch upon. As far as we are concerned on the stake, this will be a little below 20%. We will have to hold this at a maximum period of five years as per the U. S. IRS guidelines and we will stick to that.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

We have said that we will look to reducing the stake in an orderly fashion. The purpose for the reduction of the stake is clear. The costs which are coming or the on costs which are coming from the demerger, that will be first element. There will be on costs, which is separation, some tax costs. Or the second element would be really to pay down our debt.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

These are the two objectives and that is what we intend to do with the proceeds.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Yes. And just to say that the retention of an estate just below 20% shows the confidence we have in the potential of the ice cream company as an independent business. That was exactly what we said in March when we decided the merger of the company that we thought that the ice cream company could thrive as an independent company with a tailor made business model to develop. And we believe that, that will happen and the results that we are having in the first half of the year show that we are increasing competitiveness and that the business has made significant progress in terms of innovation and execution. Coming back to the margin, I would just like to highlight something.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

The times of Unilever trading off lower uncompetitive investment in our brands to deliver some more profit are gone. We will protect the investment behind our brands and we consider gross margin expansion, consistent gross margin expansion, the backbone of our financial plan to provide us with the fuel to allow us for that competitive investment. We will keep investing competitively. We believe that the levers that we have achieved now of around 15% to 16% are the right one, but we will not compromise on that.

Operator

Our next question comes from Guillaume at UBS. Go ahead, Guillaume.

Guillaume Delmas
Guillaume Delmas
Equity Research Analyst at UBS Group

Thank you very much and good morning all. I mean, for my first question, maybe to follow-up on what you've just said, Fernando, your BMI levels because they increased again in the first half 15.5%, more than 200 basis points above the levels of 2022. So do you think you currently have the right share of voice and that the current level of BMI gives you a material competitive advantage? Or maybe given how competitive the environment is and also your ambition to drive desire at scale, should BMI continue to grow ahead of sales and continuing in the 2025 in particular? And maybe related to that, I mean, we hear a lot of your competitors talk about an increase in the number of new product launches this year, particularly in the second half.

Guillaume Delmas
Guillaume Delmas
Equity Research Analyst at UBS Group

Is it something that you will also do? Or are you still more focused on fewer but bigger and better innovations? And then my second question is on the Foods division. Because of your five global business units in the first half, Foods was the only one to achieve some improvement in underlying operating margin and it was quite significant. I think it was around 100 basis points.

Guillaume Delmas
Guillaume Delmas
Equity Research Analyst at UBS Group

So can you maybe touch on the main drivers behind this strong uptick? And maybe whether going forward, we should view Foods as a key margin improvement engine for Unilever because you've got strong productivity programs there trying to simplify the portfolio and maybe less of a need of a step up in BMI in that business? Thank you very much.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

JOSE Cool. Thank you, Johann. Let me start with the Foods question. It's true, we have had a significant acceleration of volume growth and of margin in Foods. And I believe when you look with the prints of most food companies, I believe that it's a very, very competitive performance.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

I believe that our food business has an advantage with our footprint. It's a very concentrated business. Helmands and NOR represents 60% of our business in foods, two very big brands. And foodservice is a very strong business even if this year we are having a more flattish performance in foodservice particularly because it is a business that has close to 30% exposure to China and the market there has been a bit softer. So it's a good performance in foods.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We are happy with that. Helmholtz is going from strength to strength. We mentioned significant, very significant share gains in Brazil and in The U. S. We have very, very strong leading positions there.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

These are the two biggest markets of Helmholtz. And in Nord, we are really we have more work to do in Nord. I believe the brand doesn't have the level of coherence and consistency that we need, but we are making significant improvements there. So it's a business that provides accretive margin to Unilever, significant cash, has very, very high return on invested capital. So it's a business that we are very happy and we believe it's one of the best food business in the world even if it's not one of the largest.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

In the case of your first question regarding the BMI levels, the level of investment, a, we have really increased our investment level significantly from 2022 onwards. There is an implicit recognition that the levers at which we were investing three years ago were absolutely uncompetitive. We feel much more comfortable now with the level of investment between 1516%. Of course, part of that increase is mix related. Our Beauty and Well-being and our Personal Care business has been growing faster than the rest of the portfolio and they are more demanding in terms of the level of investment behind the brands that you need.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Measuring share of voice now is very difficult, particularly in the context of explosion of digital media, but I believe that the most important metric for us is the strengthening of our UBS, our admissible brand superiority scores. We have now 60% of our revenue improving UBS. In terms of product launches, we continue focusing doing stuff with impact. So we prefer to really focus in our power brands that you have seen grown above the average of the group in the quarter two. We are doing big, big initiatives and fundamentally we are rolling it out faster.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

The best example probably is WonderWash in home care in which we will be in close to 50 countries by the end of this year after initiating the process in Europe with a lot of success. So that's basically what I can say about BMI levels. Good levels of support. We feel comfortable with that somewhere between 1516%. As a result of that kind of increased investment and more quality in the innovation and in the brand management that we are having, we see our brands strengthening, see our shares improving.

Operator

The next question comes from Jeremy at HSBC. Go ahead, Jeremy.

Jeremy Fialko
Jeremy Fialko
Head - Consumer Staples Research at HSBC

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. So two from me. The first one is, you could just give us a bit more of a kind of a wrap up of your market shares across the business and where you think you are relative to your end markets, something on the sort of percent gaining and then just where you are relative to end markets? And then the second one is, could you go into a more detail on the volume performance in Personal Care?

Jeremy Fialko
Jeremy Fialko
Head - Consumer Staples Research at HSBC

So obviously, it was quite robust growth for the division in the quarter, but pretty much all of that came from pricing. So what was it that led to the volume slowdown in PC, just sort of kind of all LatAm? Or was there some slowdown in your other elements of the business and what you'd expect for the second half there? Thanks.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Thank you, Jeremy. Market shares, the picture I can give you is that we are gaining I feel you look at the same numbers I look at. I feel many of you publish Nielsen data and I believe it's very clear that our performance in U. S. And Europe is significantly above the market.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

So we are gaining shares in U. S, we are gaining shares in Europe and we are gaining shares in India. So these are three of our most important markets and we are with a positive trajectory in share there. I would highlight again the fact that we came back to share gain in Dios and Skin Cleansing in U. S.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

This has been a long standing issue. We have put a lot of focus there in developing our presence in the premium segment and we are very pleased with the development that we are having with our business there. In Latin America, as I mentioned before, we have in the short term some decline in laundry powders, but in the rest of the categories, we are in a positive momentum and in aggregated shares has been positive in Latin America for six quarters now. Of course, we have been losing share in Indonesia. We have been losing some share in China.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

And Southeast Asia is relatively flat, slightly down in a category like Healthcare, but nothing significant. Regarding the volume performance in Personal Care, again, our shares in Personal Care are very, very strong. We have significant grades across most markets. That performance that you know is close to 40% of our Personal Care business is very, very robust, 8% growth. I feel we have now close to seven, eight quarters with more than 8% growth in DAF.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

However, I believe Personal Care is very, very exposed to Latin America and there was a sharp deceleration of the DDoS market in the last few quarters. The last quarter was something like minus 5% in volume. That is completely an outlier. We expect that to recover. And also, I would say that the price increases that we put both in Latin America and in SkinCleanse in India, In the case of Latin America, to deal with significant depreciation of currency and in the case of a skin cleanse in India, to deal with a significant palm oil inflation, put some kind of break in our volumes.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

But we believe this is a short term thing. We are confident in the power of our portfolio in Personal Care and we expect Latin America in Personal Care, the markets to really come back, if not in the quarter three, probably in the quarter four. So that's basically the picture we have in performance in Personal Care.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Geoff at BNP. Go ahead, Geoff.

Jeff Stent
Equity Research Analyst at BNP Paribas

Hi. Thank you, Gemma. Just one question, if I may. On retaining the 20% stake, I'm just a little bit confused as to why you're doing this. You talked about costs, etcetera, but I can't see the remainco with any great issue shouldering any costs.

Jeff Stent
Equity Research Analyst at BNP Paribas

So could you just kind of flesh out a little bit why exactly you're going to retain this 20% stake? Thank you.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Know, Geoff, we are very, very confident in the trajectory of the ice cream business as an independent company. We wanted to provide some stability also for the business in the beginning. We have decided net debt levels for both ice cream and the remaining company and this will be communicated in the Capital Markets Day later in the year. And the retention of the stake is fundamentally related with that. And as Trini said before, we will dispose that before five years.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

That is a regulatory constraint we have and we will do it in an orderly manner to fundamentally pay for some of the separation costs, some of the tax leakage and of course to reduce debt also. So that's everything we can say. But as I mentioned before, very, very confident in the potential of the ice cream company, significant growth opportunity and also a significant expansion of EBITDA possible in that business. I will definitely give my shares.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Sarah at Morgan Stanley.

Sarah Simon
Sarah Simon
Managing Director at Morgan Stanley

Thanks for taking my question. I've got two. The first one was on tariffs. You highlighted some inventory builds for supply chain management and tariffs and so on at the half year stage. Can you just give us an update on how you think you're going be affected by tariffs and whether what impact that's having on your second half margin guide?

Sarah Simon
Sarah Simon
Managing Director at Morgan Stanley

And the second one, kind of struck by your comments about wanting to shift more into beauty and personal care and so on. And obviously, you've been doing M and A to sort of further that and if you're going to agree. But I guess the question would be, to what extent are you considering more disposals to kind of further accelerate that shift? Thanks.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

So on the tariff spot, it's good to clarify that look most of our supply chain is actually localized. But we did have items of packaging material and some critical raw material coming out of various markets which are subject to tariff. While at an overall aggregate level, tariffs was absolutely a manageable number for us and still is and therefore we don't have to specifically call it out. It's in the realms of what we manage is inflation. The important element for us was to really ensure supply resilience.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

When we had this lot of macroeconomic uncertainty coming from tariffs, where we wanted to protect ourselves was really supply security so that we could have enough stocks to produce and sell and distribute. So our stocking up was predominantly led by having that stock flexibility and not so much from a cost angle. That's the reason we took up our inventory. Now having experienced this volatile world for a few months, we're reasonably confident to really bring down and optimize the inventory and we'll do that. But on the tariffs question, it's not something which is really material for us at an aggregate and well within our margin guidance for half two.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

JOSE Regarding M and A and disposals, Sara, I have been very clear about our priorities. I call it more beauty, more personal care, more U. S, more India, more premium, more e commerce. That's the way we want to shift our portfolio. And disposal play a role in accelerating that shift.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We have a plan of around 500,000,000.0 to €2,000,000,000 of disposals. It's a combination of fundamentally local brands in Europe, foods and around EUR $05,000,000,000 of laundry unsustainable competitive positions in one Unilever markets, small markets in which we don't have leading positions in Laundry. We have already announced several disposals in the last year or so, UNO, Swan, Conimex, The Vegetarian Butcher. And we have many, many processes in play now. But we will dispose this business protecting value for our shareholders and they are not in a fire sale and we will ensure that we get enough value for that.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from David at Jefferies. Go ahead, David.

David Hayes
David Hayes
Managing Director at Jefferies

Thanks, Gemma. Good morning all. Two from us, one more broad and one more detail, I guess. Just the broad one, just on pricing levels, are there any categories or markets where you feel that prices are too high? And I'm just thinking that a lot of competitors in The U.

David Hayes
David Hayes
Managing Director at Jefferies

S. Are talking about consumer revolt on pricing levels given the rises the last couple of years. India, you seem to be taking pricing down a little bit to stimulate volumes. Indonesia resetting as well. So with margin now looking like over 20% ex ice cream, that's pretty high level versus the past.

David Hayes
David Hayes
Managing Director at Jefferies

Is there any way where you feel like there is a risk that margin needs to come down and or pricing needs to come down to be more competitive and restimulate volumes? And then the more detailed question was just on the spin again. The tax leakage, I think you talked before about there is a tax leakage even with a spin setup. Can you quantify that today what the actual tax payment will be? Thank you.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Hey, David. Thank you. Good morning. On pricing, I have mentioned before there are a couple of I would say category country sales in which we probably have gone too far. In the case of Laundry Brazil, we increased pricings.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We have close to 65% share there in laundry powders. When there is significant cost and significant currency devaluation, we usually lead with pricing in the market. It usually takes eight, twelve weeks for competition to follow. That's a kind of historic norm. It has not been the case.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

And when competitions don't follow, we reset the strategy in pricing to the desired level because we will never allow people to take volume on pricing from us. In the case of U. S, we have two different situations. One, we've tried to reposition pricing in Dab Hair and Intresume with significant relaunches. In the case of Dab Hair, it has been very, very successful, a significant uplift in our pricing, elevation of the quality of our brand.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

In the case of Tresemere where we have done that with success in styling, in the case of shampoo and conditioner we have not been so successful and we have rolled back our pricing to ensure competitiveness and protect our volumes. So these are the places in which I would say there has been correction in pricing down. In the case of India also, not triggered by us, but triggered by a competitor, there was a decrease of liquids of around 17% that we already commented in the quarter one. Volume reaction to that has been very, very significant. We landed that pricing even before our competition, and we have seen a significant increase in our volumes in Home Care in India.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Regarding the spin and the tax leakage, we will not give details at this stage. I feel we have given all the information that is necessary. Of course, there will be more information coming along the year, particularly in the Capital Markets Day of ice cream in the September 9.

Operator

Our next question comes from Vika at Bank of America. Go ahead, Vika.

Victoria Petrova
Victoria Petrova
Director at Bank of America

Thank you very much. I'll be quick. First of all, are you still targeting hard currency EPS growth in 2025? And could you help us think about your return on invested capital improvement? You are talking about 100 basis points coming from ice cream.

Victoria Petrova
Victoria Petrova
Director at Bank of America

At the same time, in ice cream presentation, if I recall correctly, management was talking about 23% return on invested capital for ice cream itself. How should we end up these two numbers please? Thank you so much.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Yes. Hi, Vikas. Thank you for that. Listen, the commitment to hard currency earnings for us is priority. It's a strategic priority, and we are absolutely committed to that.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

There should be no debate on that. From a 2025 perspective, look, we said in quarter two, 60% of the impact of currency is coming from a translation effect. It's really how euro dollar is playing out. If we were a dollar reporting company, it wouldn't have been there. But we do know that, that will get also higher into half two.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Having said that, you've heard us talk about our margins, you've talked about the gross margins, the investments, the overheads. We've also spoken about growth, and growth is actually a big leverage to really drive the right financial shape. When we look at all of these elements, if we don't see a further deterioration in the translation effects of Eurodollar, our intention is to aim and deliver positive hard currency earnings even in 2025. But we will not do anything which is going to jeopardize our business model. We will not underinvest just to hit a number, but we will do the right things.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

But our intention and aim will be to really look at hard currency earnings. On the return on invested capital, this is what I will call it's either an accountant's delight or a nightmare. It really comes down to how we are really looking at some of the intangibles treatment when it comes to Unilever and when it comes to the ice cream company. The accounting standards dictate for us to have goodwill or intangibles looked at between ice creams and foods because that was a combined segment for us. So when we did that, the ROIC, you see what you see.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Therefore, when we carve out ice creams, our ROIC improves. Ice cream has the flexibility to go back historically and actually start to look at only those acquisitions, which were pure play. They have taken that flexibility. And as a consequence of that, they are reporting a higher number. If you see net addition, and this is the accounting quirk where both views are right, But from an economic perspective, if we look forward, I don't think it really materially makes a difference.

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

Unilever ROIC goes up by about 100 basis points. Ice creams will start their story with a revised asset base, and they have therefore indicated somewhere around twenty one percent and twenty two We're very happy to do a follow-up because it's slightly technical, but be rest assured economically it's absolutely fine.

Operator

Our next question comes from Tom at Deutsche. Go ahead, Tom.

Tom Sykes
Tom Sykes
MD - Equity Research at Deutsche Bank

Yes, thanks. Good morning, everybody. And Fernando, I hope the knee is feeling better. Just on the channel shifts in The U. S, I mean, Amazon is by far and away the fastest growing channel for you and for most people.

Tom Sykes
Tom Sykes
MD - Equity Research at Deutsche Bank

How are you allocating A and P differently to grow on Amazon versus growing on Walmart? What's the sort of lineage or linkage between your A and P to then growing on Amazon? And then just on the productivity side, sorry if I missed it earlier, but are you in a position now that you are actually getting the 100 basis points productivity benefit over COGS this year and going forward? Is that something to rely on now, please? Thank you.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Clear. Thank you, Tom. Regarding channel shifts, there is a big evolution in how to reach consumers. And I talk a lot about the new models of reach and persuasion. And retail media plays a very important role.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Amazon today is not only an important channel of sale for us, but it's also an important channel of discovery for our brands, the same with Walmart and the same with our retailers in The U. S. We are having a good run-in Amazon, in Walmart. We are investing heavily in key retailers in The U. S.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

And our performance in U. S. Is showing that also the model of deploying our investment is really working well. We our exposure to e commerce in The U. S.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Is very high because close to 50% of our prestige well-being business in The U. S. Is e commerce, a combination of direct to consumer like Nutrafol, a significant presence in Amazon or in walmart.com or in the other sites of the retailer. So we see the platforms of the retailer a significant source of awareness, a significant source of recommendation in which your exposure to ratings and reviews has to be very, very strong. And that requires a good exposure of your brands.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

And when we talk about perfect execution, we talk about perfect execution online and offline. Regarding productivity, Srini, you want to cover that?

Srinivas Phatak
Srinivas Phatak
Acting CFO at Unilever

So there are two elements to Tom, if you understood the question correct. In one way, we had always said that from a buying and a procurement perspective, intention and our teams are really trying to beat the market by at least 100 basis points when it comes to buying efficiencies. That is something which is absolutely going on track and we are delivering to that and that's also therefore becoming a good source of gross margin expansion for us. When you look at it from an angle of some of our fixed cost in the supply chain, there we have a mindset of really having an absolute cost budget, volume leverage and we aim and intend to really drive 2% to 3% reduction in absolute cost that gives us leverage. When you talked about overheads line because productivity is an end to end phenomenon, There we've already spoken to you about how we are increasing our savings from about $550,000,000 to $650,000,000 Suffice to say between all the three levers, progressing very well and that actually is giving us the right margin structures and therefore our financial shape.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

I would like to add, Srini, on this that I believe that the improvement we are having, a structural improvement in gross margin with a significant focus in our, what we call, supply chain control cost, manufacturing and logistics And the progress we have done in delivering our productivity savings at overheads level after announcing the separation of ice cream is fundamentally showing a different culture in the company. So it's just this is a new Unilever when it comes to cost discipline. We have real, real discipline in place and we are very pleased with the development of our cost control both at product level and overheads level. Cemma, I probably can wrap with a few messages. We delivered a solid first half, good levels of growth, balance between volume and price, all which is in positive volume growth.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

Our gross margin is structurally improving. It give us fuel to keep increasing investment in our brands. And as a result of that, our Power Brands attributes are strengthening and we are outperforming markets in regions like U. S. And Europe with the most demanding retailers and the most demanding consumers.

Fernando Fernandez
Fernando Fernandez
CEO & Director at Unilever

We see an acceleration of growth in the second half with sustained performance in developed markets and improvement in emerging markets, particularly in Indonesia and China. And I want to highlight again what Trinny mentioned. We will not take operational decisions in a rush based on big currency swings. But if the euro dollar exchange rate remains at current levels, our intention is to deliver earnings growth in higher currency for the year. With that, thank you very much. I'm looking forward to seeing you soon. Thank you.

Executives
    • Fernando Fernandez
      Fernando Fernandez
      CEO & Director
    • Srinivas Phatak
      Srinivas Phatak
      Acting CFO
Analysts
    • Celine Pannuti
      Managing Director at JP Morgan
    • Warren Ackerman
      MD and head of EU Consumer Staples Research at Barclays Investment Bank
    • Callum Elliott
      Senior Analyst at Bernstein
    • Olivier Nicolaï
      Head - Consumer Staples Research at Goldman Sachs
    • Guillaume Delmas
      Equity Research Analyst at UBS Group
    • Jeremy Fialko
      Head - Consumer Staples Research at HSBC
    • Jeff Stent
      Equity Research Analyst at BNP Paribas
    • Sarah Simon
      Managing Director at Morgan Stanley
    • David Hayes
      Managing Director at Jefferies
    • Victoria Petrova
      Director at Bank of America
    • Tom Sykes
      MD - Equity Research at Deutsche Bank