NASDAQ:ASRT Assertio Q2 2025 Earnings Report $0.81 +0.04 (+5.32%) Closing price 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$0.82 +0.01 (+1.11%) As of 07:51 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Assertio EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.17Consensus EPS -$0.10Beat/MissMissed by -$0.07One Year Ago EPSN/AAssertio Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$29.22 millionExpected Revenue$27.86 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$1.36 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AAssertio Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2025Date8/11/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateMonday, August 11, 2025Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsAssertio's Q3 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, November 10, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 4:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Assertio Q2 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 11, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: ROLVIDON and SYMPAZAN sales drove Q2 net product sales to $28.8 million, marking the highest provider demand for ROLVIDON since launch. Negative Sentiment: Indocin sales declined to $3 million from $6.9 million year-over-year due to anticipated generic competition, reducing overall product mix contribution. Neutral Sentiment: The company narrowed its full-year net product sales guidance to $108 million–$118 million and raised its adjusted EBITDA outlook to $11 million–$19 million after ceasing OTREXUP commercialization. Positive Sentiment: OTREXUP commercialization was halted to free up resources, expected to yield $2 million–$3 million in annual SG&A savings and refocus investment on core growth assets. Positive Sentiment: Assertio settled major lawsuits and simplified its corporate structure, eliminating opioid-related litigation exposure and redirecting legal costs toward business growth. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallAssertio Q2 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Hello, and welcome to the Assertio Holdings Second Quarter twenty twenty five Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference over to Matt Kreps, Investor Relations. You may begin. Matt KrepsManaging Director at Darrow Associates Investor Relations00:00:25Thank you. Good afternoon and thank you all for joining us today to discuss Assertio's second quarter twenty twenty five financial results and business update. The news release covering our results for this period is now available on the Investor page of our website @investor.asurdiotx.com. I would encourage you to review the release and tables in conjunction with today's discussion. With me today are Brendan O'Grady, our Chief Executive Officer and Ajay Patel, Chief Financial Officer. Matt KrepsManaging Director at Darrow Associates Investor Relations00:00:52Bruno will open the remarks and provide an overview of the business, including an update on Assertio's long term business strategy. After Brendan, Ajay will cover our financial results and guidance. Bruno will then provide some closing comments before we take questions from our covering research analysts. Please note that during this call, management will make projections and other forward looking statements regarding our future performance. Such forward looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties, including those noted in this afternoon's press release as well as Assertio's filings with the SEC. Matt KrepsManaging Director at Darrow Associates Investor Relations00:01:25These and other risks are more fully described in the Risk Factors section and other sections of our annual report on Form 10 ks and in our Form 10 Q filings. Our actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward looking statements. Certio specifically disclaims any intent or obligation to update these forward looking statements, except as required by law. With that, I will now turn the call over to Brendan. Please go ahead. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:01:50Thank you, Matt, and thank you to everyone who has joined today's call. I'll begin today with a brief overview of our second quarter financial results, which showcase both execution against the transformation based priorities I have laid out as part of our long term business strategy and our ability to focus the business in ways that improve operating performance for our investors. We have also updated our full year outlook accordingly, slightly reducing the top end of our revenue range to account for our decision to stop commercialization of OTREXUP, but more importantly, raising the lower end of our adjusted EBITDA outlook as this action has a positive impact in increasing profitability. To get a little further into the details, second quarter net product sales came in on plan at $28,800,000 These sales results reflect the highest ROLVOIDON provider demand volume since launch, benefiting from an expanding provider base and continued growth in SYMPAZAN prescriptions from both existing and an increasing number of new prescribers. This is in response to our decision last year to augment our omnichannel marketing with in person sales in key markets. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:03:01Overall, demand for both ROLVOIDOM and SYMPAZAN remains strong and is growing. We continue to execute diligently on our plans to drive further growth on each product. INDOCIN and our other core noncore assets performed in line with expectations for net sales and contribution. These results underpin the three part business strategy I introduced during our year end call in March and further detailed during the May earnings call. To briefly recap, the three phases are defined as stabilization, transformation and growth and are intended to create substantial near term growth and increasing long term value. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:03:41Stabilization was successfully completed in 2024 and has adapted our organization to the changing operating environment and reprioritization of assets. That stage included repositioning our portfolio to focus on rolodon and SYMPAZAN as core growth drivers, leading to the benefits seen on both of these products year to date, with an expectation of more to come. I have characterized 2025 as the transformation phase, focusing on actions intended to catalyze a shift in future growth potential, and that's obviously where we are today. Continued successful execution of our transformation objectives will launch the growth phase of our strategy expected to start in 2026, during which time we intend to become a leading commercially focused specialty pharma company that creates top tier value over the long term. Now I'd like to provide you with a brief update on our transformation progress. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:04:38In the second quarter, we advanced each of our five core objectives and expect all to be complete or nearly complete by the end of the year. As a reminder, these include: one, reducing our legal exposure two, simplify our corporate structure and processes three, prioritize Assertio's investment in growth assets four, divest non core assets where it makes sense and five, use the strength of our balance sheet to close a strategic transaction. Starting with reducing our legal exposure, we have now settled or closed multiple prior legal matters, helping to remove both ongoing operating costs and future uncertainty from the business. Resolutions to date include the twenty seventeen Key Tam lawsuit, the last remaining Glumetza antitrust action and Spectrum's legacy Luau security class action pending court approval. We have not admitted to any wrongdoing in any of these cases, rather the decision to settle reduces both ongoing legal costs and distraction from our core business. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:05:46We also obtained a dismissal of the company's Edwards Security class action suit. With these matters now closed, we can refocus funds previously allocated to legal costs into building our core business. We also began simplifying our corporate holding structure to reduce costs and complexity in our business. One of the key actions completed in the second quarter was the transfer of all our interest in our subsidiary Assertio Therapeutics to a third party ATIH Industries LLC. As of today, Assertio Holdings nor any of its subsidiaries are named defendants in any opioid related litigation. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:06:27Also, as part of our corporate restructure, we are consolidating products from previously acquired operating subsidiaries to further consolidate our commercial footprint and further reduce operating expense. As part of this process, we have initiated a labeler code change for Rolodon. This may result in net sales fluctuations over the next three quarters due to certain timing aspects, but we expect 2025 company net sales to be within our guidance range. Further, we expect to fully support Rolled On Demand while maintaining price stability and predictability for our customers during this change. Focusing on our progress prioritizing investments in ROLVADON and SYMPAZAN, we've now finalized our third national agreement for ROLVADON with the GPO of a leading national payer. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:07:16This milestone reflects continued momentum in our market access strategy. We are currently working with the GPO to engage their national member organizations in discussions to broaden commercial formulary positioning for our product. We believe this agreement represents a meaningful opportunity to broaden access and support long term growth for one of our two core growth assets. In addition, we're seeing sustained momentum across strategic market segments as organizations explore forward looking approaches to care delivery. This latest agreement further substantiates a growing trend of engagement, underscoring our conviction of Rolledown's long term potential. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:07:57I look forward to providing further updates at a later date. Regarding divesting non core assets, as mentioned, we decided to stop commercializing OTREXUP and are exploring various options for this product going forward. This is intended to free up additional resources to reallocate to our growth assets, bolster our ability to acquire or in license new growth assets and increase our profitability. We are looking at the balance of our portfolio with a similar focus on improving cost efficiency and sales performance. These actions are driven by strategic decisions to thoughtfully address near term costs and disruptions for the benefit of our long term business performance. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:08:38This quarter's progress and our updated outlook demonstrate a sharpened focus to create greater efficiency, redirect resources and ultimately improve profitability as we move through the transformation and into the growth phase. We believe that Assertio has reached an inflection point and will be by pivoting to a focus on specialty pharma assets with the potential to grow over sustained period with a commercially focused operating model. And that is where our fifth transformation priority is focused, expanding and diversifying our portfolio with new growth assets, whether acquired, licensed or via some other form of transaction. We remain active in that area, but also focused on securing the right transaction at the right price, which our balance sheet improvement continues to support with greater flexibility. I'll conclude my remarks today building on what I said last quarter. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:09:35Assertio's underlying business is sound. We have an experienced team that is executing very well and our balance sheet fueled by more than $98,000,000 in cash and investments at the end of the second quarter is solid. I am confident that our long term business strategy is leading us in the right direction toward our goal of creating sustainable near term growth and increased long term value. I look forward to providing you with additional updates on our progress as we head through the second half of this year. I will now hand it over to our CFO, Ajay Patel, who will walk us through the details of our second quarter performance. Ajay? Ajay PatelEVP & CFO at Assertio00:10:13Thanks, Brendan. Today, I'll walk through our financial results for the second quarter twenty twenty five. As a reminder, starting last quarter, we have resumed the use of year over year comparisons, reflecting completion of the stabilization phase that Brendan discussed for 2024. Q2 twenty twenty five product sales came in at $28,800,000 compared to $30,700,000 in the prior year quarter. Rovodon sales were $16,100,000 up from $15,100,000 in the prior year quarter, driven by higher volume and favorability from returns reserve adjustment, partially offset by lower pricing. Ajay PatelEVP & CFO at Assertio00:11:00The returns reserve adjustment was $5,400,000 and was previously established in connection with the Spectrum merger for specific channel inventory. Due to continued growth in demand and closure of the returns window, we no longer need to maintain the specific reserve. SYMPAZAN sales were $3,200,000 up from $2,700,000 in the prior year period, reflecting higher volume and favorable payer mix. Indocin sales were $3,000,000 down from $6,900,000 in the prior year quarter due to the expected generic competition on volume and price. The prior year second quarter was still in the early stages of the generic impact. Ajay PatelEVP & CFO at Assertio00:11:49Turning to operating expenses. Reported SG and A expense was $17,000,000 down from $18,400,000 in the prior year quarter, reflecting, among other items, a onetime $2,400,000 benefit from the recognition of employee retention tax credits. R and D expense was $400,000 down from $800,000 a year ago due to the completion of the same day dosing trial at the 2024. Excluding stock compensation, D and A and onetime items of ERC benefit, legal settlements and costs related to divestment of Assertio Therapeutics and the commercialization of OTREXUP, adjusted operating expenses were $15,400,000 in the second quarter versus $19,700,000 a year ago, reflecting our efforts to drive operating cost efficiencies as well as timing of certain annual spend. GAAP net income for the second quarter was $16,400,000 compared to a loss of $3,700,000 in the prior year. Ajay PatelEVP & CFO at Assertio00:13:06The change in net loss reflects onetime charges, including $9,200,000 related to divestiture of Assertio Therapeutics and $3,800,000 pertaining to the decision to cease OTREXUP commercialization, which were partially offset by a $2,400,000 benefit from the recognition of employee retention tax credits. Adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter was $5,600,000 compared to $3,100,000 in the prior year quarter. Turning to our balance sheet and cash flow statements. As of 06/30/2025, cash, cash equivalents and short term investments totaled $98,200,000 an increase from $87,300,000 as of 03/31/2025. The increase was driven by positive operating cash flows as a result of overall performance and favorable working capital, partially offset by investing activity of $8,200,000 transferred in connection with the divestment of Assertio Therapeutics. Ajay PatelEVP & CFO at Assertio00:14:17Debt remains unchanged at $40,000,000 comprised of the company's 6.5% convertible notes with no maturities until September 2027. As Brendan mentioned, we are narrowing our guidance ranges for net product sales and adjusted EBITDA to reflect first half performance, the decision to cease commercialization of OTREXUP and improved operational efficiencies. The revised annual guidance range has been updated for net product sales to $108,000,000 to $118,000,000 and for adjusted EBITDA from $11,000,000 to $19,000,000 I'll now hand Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:15:02the call back to Brendan. Thank you, A. J. The Assertio team delivered a second quarter of strong financial performance and remains on track to meet our expectations for 2025. We also demonstrated the potential value of our transformation initiatives in creating both short term and long term value for our stockholders. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:15:21We remain fully focused on executing the remaining transformation initiatives planned for this year. I am confident that our ongoing business performance and execution of our business strategy will enable our success. And with that, let's go ahead and open the call for questions from our analysts. Operator00:15:37Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Thomas Flaten with Lake Street. Your line is open. Thomas FlatenSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets00:16:09Hey, good afternoon. I appreciate you guys taking the questions. Just starting off the so I'm trying to understand the kind of true roll to down sales in the quarter. I mean, I take the number minus the reserve, it's 10.7%. Is that how I should be looking at it? Thomas FlatenSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets00:16:23I'm trying to can you help me better understand that? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:16:26Yes. That's the correct number, Thomas. Thomas FlatenSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets00:16:29So if I heard you correctly, Brendan, in the prepared remarks, it was the highest demand from providers. But then can you give us a sense of volume price shift there so we can kind of understand what's going on demand versus pricing? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:16:46Yes. I won't get into too much in pricing. That's something we don't really divulge. But I will just give you a little bit of a flavor, right? So there's ex factory sales that go into the wholesalers, and then there's demand that goes from the wholesalers into the clinic. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:16:59So as I mentioned, we had a rather high, in fact, we grew demand, by almost 20% from Q1 to Q2. So demand going into the clinics, which is ultimately which, is what patients utilize is very strong. And we were a little lower on sales into the wholesalers, which sets us up really in a good position for a strong execution in the second half of the year. So I wouldn't think about the year as taking thirteen point one percent and ten point four percent and then doubling it. I think we're in very good position to achieve what we need to in the second half of the year with Walvidone, kind of balancing wholesaler and clinic demand. Thomas FlatenSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets00:17:42Excellent. I appreciate that color. Then with respect to potential deals, can you give us a sense of what the market looks like today versus when you started? Mean, are there is there stuff you've passed on? Are there opportunities you've missed out on? Thomas FlatenSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets00:17:57Obviously, getting a deal in the door is one of your five priorities. Just wondering what the market looks like more broadly. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:18:05Sure. No, good question. I wouldn't say we've missed out on anything. I mean, there have been things that we've been somewhat interested in, but we look at how they fit into our model where we think the value is. And we're certainly willing to pay a fair market price. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:18:23But if it exceeds that and we can't really find a way that it makes financial sense, then we'll pass on it. So we've had a couple opportunities like that, but we have numerous conversations ongoing, for a whole wide variety of transactions. And and so those go. You know, I've I've been said all along, I want to be patient because I want to make sure we do the right transaction for the business. And as we are executing on roll it on and executing on everything else, we're actually strengthening the balance sheet. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:18:52So that gives us a little bit wider of a fishing ground to look at. So good conversations ongoing. I said I'd like to get something done this year. We'll see where that goes. Thomas FlatenSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets00:19:04And then one final one, I may. When you guys laid out the 108,000,000 to 123,000,000 guidance, the big swing factor in there was the potential for new generic entrant into the Indocin space. But now I guess the top has been reduced because of vortexib. But do you given how far along we are into the year, do you think the swing is still going to be potentially $10,000,000 primarily Indocin? And what else is what would move that number $10,000,000 from bottom to top? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:19:31Yes. Well, I will be in a much better position, Thomas, when we get to November to narrow this range considerably. There's other strategic things we're looking at that could impact that. It's not just in December. There's other things that I really don't want to get into that could impact that range. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:19:47But as I said, as we get through the third quarter here and I come back in November, I'll be able to narrow that range significantly. Thomas FlatenSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets00:19:57Got it. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:19:59Sure. Operator00:20:01The next question comes from Ram Selvaraju with H. C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Raghuram SelvarajuMD - Healthcare Equity Research at H.C. Wainwright & Co., LLC00:20:12Thanks very much for taking my questions. Firstly, I just wanted to address a housekeeping item. In the wake of the divestiture to Assertio Therapeutics and the ATIH transaction, can you just review for us what remaining outstanding litigation matters there are under Assertio Holdings or if at this juncture, there aren't any? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:20:39So at this juncture, Ram, most of it is just some shareholder lawsuits that we're working our way through. Most of everything else has been closed out, and we've moved on. So as I said in my remarks, we hope to have that cleaned up and resolved by the end of this year or early next year, but made significant progress in reducing kind of our legal spend around defending different lawsuits. Raghuram SelvarajuMD - Healthcare Equity Research at H.C. Wainwright & Co., LLC00:21:05Great. Secondly, I was wondering if you could just characterize some of the principal emergent drivers of Rolledon pull through demand and how robust you expect those to be going forward, particularly not only as we go into the 2025 but also looking ahead to 2026? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:21:25Well, think the biggest thing is expanding our customer base. We significantly expanded our customer base during first and second quarter which is one of the reasons that you saw demand grow by almost 20% and that isn't even a full quarter. So we expect demand to continue to grow both in the clinic space where we primarily focus, but also we think that as we go through the second half of this year and especially into 2026, we'll see more commercial utilization and we're working on securing that right now. Raghuram SelvarajuMD - Healthcare Equity Research at H.C. Wainwright & Co., LLC00:22:01And then just two more very quick ones. Firstly, on OTREXUP, can you remind us about the length of exclusivity that still remains for this product? And then also if you could just characterize for us, now that Assertio has elected to halt commercialization activities on OTREXUP, what does this effectively mean for the SG and A line? What does that translate into in terms of savings? What activities are no longer necessary? Raghuram SelvarajuMD - Healthcare Equity Research at H.C. Wainwright & Co., LLC00:22:32And also, how does that perhaps you're not in a position to comment on this now, but any helpful color would be appreciated. How does the absence of commercial activity for this product impact your ability to monetize it on a strategic basis going forward, assuming that your priority has now shifted from active commercialization to divestiture? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:22:58Yes. So good questions, Ram. So I'll take part of it, and then I'll have A. J. Take part of it. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:23:04But if you think about OTREXUP, I mean, we have seven assets or we have seven assets across the variety of therapeutic areas with Atreksen being primarily rheumatoid arthritis. So that's not really necessarily a core commercial focus on us for us. We made the decision to focus our commercial efforts around rolodon and cipazan because those are the products that we see the most growth potential in. We had reached a point with OTREXUP where although it was driving top line, there was not much there as far as profit. So instead of spending additional funds to it, we decided to redirect those to where we thought we could actually grow. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:23:48That doesn't mean that, OTREXUP couldn't be profitable in somebody else's hand. It might have a more complementary portfolio that they could add to their rheumatology basket of products. But OTREXUP is methotrexate. There's no IP left on methotrexate in and of itself. It's combined in a pen from Halozyme. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:24:09So it would be difficult to maybe duplicate the exact product because of the pen drug delivery combination. But methotrexate itself has no IP, so there's other versions of it out there available in the market. AJ, I'll let you talk about some of the cost savings. Ajay PatelEVP & CFO at Assertio00:24:27Yes, Ram. We're expecting a good amount of cost savings from an SG and A perspective on OTREXUP next year. It's in the range of 2,000,000 to $3,000,000 which would comprise of any kind of direct spend we had on it from a digital marketing perspective and the annual PDUFA fee. Obviously, this was going to be offset by kind of the top line degradation. Overall, part of the decision was as we looked at the pricing competitive pressures that were there on top line and the cost pressures that are there from the device combo, it ended up being fairly neutral to EBITDA for this year, for the remainder of the year. Ajay PatelEVP & CFO at Assertio00:25:05And that's why you actually see a benefit in our narrowing of the EBITDA range upwards on the low end. Raghuram SelvarajuMD - Healthcare Equity Research at H.C. Wainwright & Co., LLC00:25:14Okay. Thank you so much. Operator00:25:18The next question comes from Nas Raman with Maxim Group. Your line is open. Naz RahmanAnalyst at Maxim Group00:25:25Hi, everyone. Congrats on the progress and thanks for taking our questions. Just have a few. Just want to start on ROBIDON. I guess at this point, how much of an effect are you seeing from the same day dosing data, if any? Naz RahmanAnalyst at Maxim Group00:25:38And I guess more towards that point, when do you start when do you expect to see larger and greater effects from the same day dosing data on sales? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:25:47No, it's great. Good question, Nav. Thanks. We are starting to get increased levels of interest and I think we've seen increased levels of interest in same day dosing since we presented the results end of last year and then first quarter of this year. So it's certainly an interest amongst providers. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:26:07We know that it's a growing interest. We hope to we submitted to a peer reviewed journal. We hope to have publication sometime this year. And I think once that happens, that'll be another catalyst. And ultimately, the goal would be to get this into the NCCN guidelines. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:26:24Whether that materializes or not, we obviously don't control and when. But that really today is not built into any of our projections. So that would definitely be an upside. And as we move to publication, we'll take a look and see what kind of lift we're getting from that. But there's definitely interest in same day dosing, and the interest is increasing. Naz RahmanAnalyst at Maxim Group00:26:49So I guess on that point, based on everything you now know in terms of publication timelines, what are you thinking now in terms of timelines for getting the same day dosing into NCCN guidelines? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:27:02Well, think the first step is publication. And as I mentioned, we hope to have publications still this calendar year. We've definitely made progress on that. And I would say NCCN probably by the 2026. It's possible it could be earlier, but not probable. Naz RahmanAnalyst at Maxim Group00:27:26Understood. And on, Symposium, now that you're, accelerating efforts for promotion, based on what you've seen thus far, I guess, what sales levels do you think you could return or get Symposium to at this point based on what you're saying? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:27:43Net sales number? Naz RahmanAnalyst at Maxim Group00:27:46Yeah. Net sales scripts. Yeah. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:27:49Yeah. I mean, I think I I think net sales could ultimately be between 25,000,000 and $30,000,000 in the next several years, so kind of double from where we are today. I think there's definitely growing awareness, and I think that SYMPAZAN is benefiting just from a share of voice out there and providers recognizing that it's there and how to prescribe it and how patients can get it. Naz RahmanAnalyst at Maxim Group00:28:15Got it. And just one last question. Can tell your pulling resources and promotional efforts from Otrexib? Is there a potential to divert some of that resources or, I guess, that time to, Rovodon and Symprazan? Like, why don't, why don't you think those do you think those products could grow faster with the Trexor resources, or do you think there's not much of a difference there, I guess, logistically? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:28:38No. I mean, we are redirecting resources from other products to SYMPAZAN and Rolvidone, but that's already built really into our projections. I mean, this is OTREXUP is not a decision that we made yesterday. We've been looking at OTREXUP for quite some time, and it was built into this year's plan and projections other than the net sales piece, which we adjusted. Naz RahmanAnalyst at Maxim Group00:29:01Got it. Thank you for taking my questions. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:29:04Yep. Operator00:29:07This concludes the question and answer session and will conclude today's conference call. Thank you for joining. 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Email Address About AssertioAssertio (NASDAQ:ASRT), a commercial pharmaceutical company, provides various products to patients in the United States. Its pharmaceutical products include INDOCIN, an oral and suppository solution for the treatment of moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, including acute flares of chronic disease; ankylosing spondylitis and osteoarthritis; and acute painful shoulder and gouty arthritis. It also provides Sympazan, a benzodiazepine for the adjunctive treatment of seizures related with lennox-gastaut syndrome in patients aged two years of age or older; CAMBIA, a non steroidal anti inflammatory drug (NSAID) for the treatment of migraine pain, nausea, photophobia, and phonophobia; Zipsor, a NSAID for relief of mild to moderate pain in adults; SPRIX, a NSAID for the short term management of moderate to moderately severe pain that requires analgesia at the opioid level; Otrexup, a single-dose auto-injector containing a prescription medicine and methotrexate that is used to treat patients with severe, active rheumatoid arthritis, and active polyarticular juvenile idiopathic arthritis, as well as treat adult with severe, recalcitrant, and disabling psoriasis; and ROLVEDON, a long-acting granulocyte colony-stimulating factor that is indicated to decrease the incidence of infection caused by febrile neutropenia. The company was formerly known as Assertio Therapeutics, Inc. and changed its name to Assertio Holdings, Inc. in May 2020. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Hello, and welcome to the Assertio Holdings Second Quarter twenty twenty five Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference over to Matt Kreps, Investor Relations. You may begin. Matt KrepsManaging Director at Darrow Associates Investor Relations00:00:25Thank you. Good afternoon and thank you all for joining us today to discuss Assertio's second quarter twenty twenty five financial results and business update. The news release covering our results for this period is now available on the Investor page of our website @investor.asurdiotx.com. I would encourage you to review the release and tables in conjunction with today's discussion. With me today are Brendan O'Grady, our Chief Executive Officer and Ajay Patel, Chief Financial Officer. Matt KrepsManaging Director at Darrow Associates Investor Relations00:00:52Bruno will open the remarks and provide an overview of the business, including an update on Assertio's long term business strategy. After Brendan, Ajay will cover our financial results and guidance. Bruno will then provide some closing comments before we take questions from our covering research analysts. Please note that during this call, management will make projections and other forward looking statements regarding our future performance. Such forward looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties, including those noted in this afternoon's press release as well as Assertio's filings with the SEC. Matt KrepsManaging Director at Darrow Associates Investor Relations00:01:25These and other risks are more fully described in the Risk Factors section and other sections of our annual report on Form 10 ks and in our Form 10 Q filings. Our actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward looking statements. Certio specifically disclaims any intent or obligation to update these forward looking statements, except as required by law. With that, I will now turn the call over to Brendan. Please go ahead. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:01:50Thank you, Matt, and thank you to everyone who has joined today's call. I'll begin today with a brief overview of our second quarter financial results, which showcase both execution against the transformation based priorities I have laid out as part of our long term business strategy and our ability to focus the business in ways that improve operating performance for our investors. We have also updated our full year outlook accordingly, slightly reducing the top end of our revenue range to account for our decision to stop commercialization of OTREXUP, but more importantly, raising the lower end of our adjusted EBITDA outlook as this action has a positive impact in increasing profitability. To get a little further into the details, second quarter net product sales came in on plan at $28,800,000 These sales results reflect the highest ROLVOIDON provider demand volume since launch, benefiting from an expanding provider base and continued growth in SYMPAZAN prescriptions from both existing and an increasing number of new prescribers. This is in response to our decision last year to augment our omnichannel marketing with in person sales in key markets. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:03:01Overall, demand for both ROLVOIDOM and SYMPAZAN remains strong and is growing. We continue to execute diligently on our plans to drive further growth on each product. INDOCIN and our other core noncore assets performed in line with expectations for net sales and contribution. These results underpin the three part business strategy I introduced during our year end call in March and further detailed during the May earnings call. To briefly recap, the three phases are defined as stabilization, transformation and growth and are intended to create substantial near term growth and increasing long term value. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:03:41Stabilization was successfully completed in 2024 and has adapted our organization to the changing operating environment and reprioritization of assets. That stage included repositioning our portfolio to focus on rolodon and SYMPAZAN as core growth drivers, leading to the benefits seen on both of these products year to date, with an expectation of more to come. I have characterized 2025 as the transformation phase, focusing on actions intended to catalyze a shift in future growth potential, and that's obviously where we are today. Continued successful execution of our transformation objectives will launch the growth phase of our strategy expected to start in 2026, during which time we intend to become a leading commercially focused specialty pharma company that creates top tier value over the long term. Now I'd like to provide you with a brief update on our transformation progress. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:04:38In the second quarter, we advanced each of our five core objectives and expect all to be complete or nearly complete by the end of the year. As a reminder, these include: one, reducing our legal exposure two, simplify our corporate structure and processes three, prioritize Assertio's investment in growth assets four, divest non core assets where it makes sense and five, use the strength of our balance sheet to close a strategic transaction. Starting with reducing our legal exposure, we have now settled or closed multiple prior legal matters, helping to remove both ongoing operating costs and future uncertainty from the business. Resolutions to date include the twenty seventeen Key Tam lawsuit, the last remaining Glumetza antitrust action and Spectrum's legacy Luau security class action pending court approval. We have not admitted to any wrongdoing in any of these cases, rather the decision to settle reduces both ongoing legal costs and distraction from our core business. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:05:46We also obtained a dismissal of the company's Edwards Security class action suit. With these matters now closed, we can refocus funds previously allocated to legal costs into building our core business. We also began simplifying our corporate holding structure to reduce costs and complexity in our business. One of the key actions completed in the second quarter was the transfer of all our interest in our subsidiary Assertio Therapeutics to a third party ATIH Industries LLC. As of today, Assertio Holdings nor any of its subsidiaries are named defendants in any opioid related litigation. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:06:27Also, as part of our corporate restructure, we are consolidating products from previously acquired operating subsidiaries to further consolidate our commercial footprint and further reduce operating expense. As part of this process, we have initiated a labeler code change for Rolodon. This may result in net sales fluctuations over the next three quarters due to certain timing aspects, but we expect 2025 company net sales to be within our guidance range. Further, we expect to fully support Rolled On Demand while maintaining price stability and predictability for our customers during this change. Focusing on our progress prioritizing investments in ROLVADON and SYMPAZAN, we've now finalized our third national agreement for ROLVADON with the GPO of a leading national payer. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:07:16This milestone reflects continued momentum in our market access strategy. We are currently working with the GPO to engage their national member organizations in discussions to broaden commercial formulary positioning for our product. We believe this agreement represents a meaningful opportunity to broaden access and support long term growth for one of our two core growth assets. In addition, we're seeing sustained momentum across strategic market segments as organizations explore forward looking approaches to care delivery. This latest agreement further substantiates a growing trend of engagement, underscoring our conviction of Rolledown's long term potential. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:07:57I look forward to providing further updates at a later date. Regarding divesting non core assets, as mentioned, we decided to stop commercializing OTREXUP and are exploring various options for this product going forward. This is intended to free up additional resources to reallocate to our growth assets, bolster our ability to acquire or in license new growth assets and increase our profitability. We are looking at the balance of our portfolio with a similar focus on improving cost efficiency and sales performance. These actions are driven by strategic decisions to thoughtfully address near term costs and disruptions for the benefit of our long term business performance. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:08:38This quarter's progress and our updated outlook demonstrate a sharpened focus to create greater efficiency, redirect resources and ultimately improve profitability as we move through the transformation and into the growth phase. We believe that Assertio has reached an inflection point and will be by pivoting to a focus on specialty pharma assets with the potential to grow over sustained period with a commercially focused operating model. And that is where our fifth transformation priority is focused, expanding and diversifying our portfolio with new growth assets, whether acquired, licensed or via some other form of transaction. We remain active in that area, but also focused on securing the right transaction at the right price, which our balance sheet improvement continues to support with greater flexibility. I'll conclude my remarks today building on what I said last quarter. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:09:35Assertio's underlying business is sound. We have an experienced team that is executing very well and our balance sheet fueled by more than $98,000,000 in cash and investments at the end of the second quarter is solid. I am confident that our long term business strategy is leading us in the right direction toward our goal of creating sustainable near term growth and increased long term value. I look forward to providing you with additional updates on our progress as we head through the second half of this year. I will now hand it over to our CFO, Ajay Patel, who will walk us through the details of our second quarter performance. Ajay? Ajay PatelEVP & CFO at Assertio00:10:13Thanks, Brendan. Today, I'll walk through our financial results for the second quarter twenty twenty five. As a reminder, starting last quarter, we have resumed the use of year over year comparisons, reflecting completion of the stabilization phase that Brendan discussed for 2024. Q2 twenty twenty five product sales came in at $28,800,000 compared to $30,700,000 in the prior year quarter. Rovodon sales were $16,100,000 up from $15,100,000 in the prior year quarter, driven by higher volume and favorability from returns reserve adjustment, partially offset by lower pricing. Ajay PatelEVP & CFO at Assertio00:11:00The returns reserve adjustment was $5,400,000 and was previously established in connection with the Spectrum merger for specific channel inventory. Due to continued growth in demand and closure of the returns window, we no longer need to maintain the specific reserve. SYMPAZAN sales were $3,200,000 up from $2,700,000 in the prior year period, reflecting higher volume and favorable payer mix. Indocin sales were $3,000,000 down from $6,900,000 in the prior year quarter due to the expected generic competition on volume and price. The prior year second quarter was still in the early stages of the generic impact. Ajay PatelEVP & CFO at Assertio00:11:49Turning to operating expenses. Reported SG and A expense was $17,000,000 down from $18,400,000 in the prior year quarter, reflecting, among other items, a onetime $2,400,000 benefit from the recognition of employee retention tax credits. R and D expense was $400,000 down from $800,000 a year ago due to the completion of the same day dosing trial at the 2024. Excluding stock compensation, D and A and onetime items of ERC benefit, legal settlements and costs related to divestment of Assertio Therapeutics and the commercialization of OTREXUP, adjusted operating expenses were $15,400,000 in the second quarter versus $19,700,000 a year ago, reflecting our efforts to drive operating cost efficiencies as well as timing of certain annual spend. GAAP net income for the second quarter was $16,400,000 compared to a loss of $3,700,000 in the prior year. Ajay PatelEVP & CFO at Assertio00:13:06The change in net loss reflects onetime charges, including $9,200,000 related to divestiture of Assertio Therapeutics and $3,800,000 pertaining to the decision to cease OTREXUP commercialization, which were partially offset by a $2,400,000 benefit from the recognition of employee retention tax credits. Adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter was $5,600,000 compared to $3,100,000 in the prior year quarter. Turning to our balance sheet and cash flow statements. As of 06/30/2025, cash, cash equivalents and short term investments totaled $98,200,000 an increase from $87,300,000 as of 03/31/2025. The increase was driven by positive operating cash flows as a result of overall performance and favorable working capital, partially offset by investing activity of $8,200,000 transferred in connection with the divestment of Assertio Therapeutics. Ajay PatelEVP & CFO at Assertio00:14:17Debt remains unchanged at $40,000,000 comprised of the company's 6.5% convertible notes with no maturities until September 2027. As Brendan mentioned, we are narrowing our guidance ranges for net product sales and adjusted EBITDA to reflect first half performance, the decision to cease commercialization of OTREXUP and improved operational efficiencies. The revised annual guidance range has been updated for net product sales to $108,000,000 to $118,000,000 and for adjusted EBITDA from $11,000,000 to $19,000,000 I'll now hand Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:15:02the call back to Brendan. Thank you, A. J. The Assertio team delivered a second quarter of strong financial performance and remains on track to meet our expectations for 2025. We also demonstrated the potential value of our transformation initiatives in creating both short term and long term value for our stockholders. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:15:21We remain fully focused on executing the remaining transformation initiatives planned for this year. I am confident that our ongoing business performance and execution of our business strategy will enable our success. And with that, let's go ahead and open the call for questions from our analysts. Operator00:15:37Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Thomas Flaten with Lake Street. Your line is open. Thomas FlatenSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets00:16:09Hey, good afternoon. I appreciate you guys taking the questions. Just starting off the so I'm trying to understand the kind of true roll to down sales in the quarter. I mean, I take the number minus the reserve, it's 10.7%. Is that how I should be looking at it? Thomas FlatenSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets00:16:23I'm trying to can you help me better understand that? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:16:26Yes. That's the correct number, Thomas. Thomas FlatenSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets00:16:29So if I heard you correctly, Brendan, in the prepared remarks, it was the highest demand from providers. But then can you give us a sense of volume price shift there so we can kind of understand what's going on demand versus pricing? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:16:46Yes. I won't get into too much in pricing. That's something we don't really divulge. But I will just give you a little bit of a flavor, right? So there's ex factory sales that go into the wholesalers, and then there's demand that goes from the wholesalers into the clinic. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:16:59So as I mentioned, we had a rather high, in fact, we grew demand, by almost 20% from Q1 to Q2. So demand going into the clinics, which is ultimately which, is what patients utilize is very strong. And we were a little lower on sales into the wholesalers, which sets us up really in a good position for a strong execution in the second half of the year. So I wouldn't think about the year as taking thirteen point one percent and ten point four percent and then doubling it. I think we're in very good position to achieve what we need to in the second half of the year with Walvidone, kind of balancing wholesaler and clinic demand. Thomas FlatenSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets00:17:42Excellent. I appreciate that color. Then with respect to potential deals, can you give us a sense of what the market looks like today versus when you started? Mean, are there is there stuff you've passed on? Are there opportunities you've missed out on? Thomas FlatenSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets00:17:57Obviously, getting a deal in the door is one of your five priorities. Just wondering what the market looks like more broadly. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:18:05Sure. No, good question. I wouldn't say we've missed out on anything. I mean, there have been things that we've been somewhat interested in, but we look at how they fit into our model where we think the value is. And we're certainly willing to pay a fair market price. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:18:23But if it exceeds that and we can't really find a way that it makes financial sense, then we'll pass on it. So we've had a couple opportunities like that, but we have numerous conversations ongoing, for a whole wide variety of transactions. And and so those go. You know, I've I've been said all along, I want to be patient because I want to make sure we do the right transaction for the business. And as we are executing on roll it on and executing on everything else, we're actually strengthening the balance sheet. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:18:52So that gives us a little bit wider of a fishing ground to look at. So good conversations ongoing. I said I'd like to get something done this year. We'll see where that goes. Thomas FlatenSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets00:19:04And then one final one, I may. When you guys laid out the 108,000,000 to 123,000,000 guidance, the big swing factor in there was the potential for new generic entrant into the Indocin space. But now I guess the top has been reduced because of vortexib. But do you given how far along we are into the year, do you think the swing is still going to be potentially $10,000,000 primarily Indocin? And what else is what would move that number $10,000,000 from bottom to top? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:19:31Yes. Well, I will be in a much better position, Thomas, when we get to November to narrow this range considerably. There's other strategic things we're looking at that could impact that. It's not just in December. There's other things that I really don't want to get into that could impact that range. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:19:47But as I said, as we get through the third quarter here and I come back in November, I'll be able to narrow that range significantly. Thomas FlatenSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets00:19:57Got it. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:19:59Sure. Operator00:20:01The next question comes from Ram Selvaraju with H. C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Raghuram SelvarajuMD - Healthcare Equity Research at H.C. Wainwright & Co., LLC00:20:12Thanks very much for taking my questions. Firstly, I just wanted to address a housekeeping item. In the wake of the divestiture to Assertio Therapeutics and the ATIH transaction, can you just review for us what remaining outstanding litigation matters there are under Assertio Holdings or if at this juncture, there aren't any? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:20:39So at this juncture, Ram, most of it is just some shareholder lawsuits that we're working our way through. Most of everything else has been closed out, and we've moved on. So as I said in my remarks, we hope to have that cleaned up and resolved by the end of this year or early next year, but made significant progress in reducing kind of our legal spend around defending different lawsuits. Raghuram SelvarajuMD - Healthcare Equity Research at H.C. Wainwright & Co., LLC00:21:05Great. Secondly, I was wondering if you could just characterize some of the principal emergent drivers of Rolledon pull through demand and how robust you expect those to be going forward, particularly not only as we go into the 2025 but also looking ahead to 2026? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:21:25Well, think the biggest thing is expanding our customer base. We significantly expanded our customer base during first and second quarter which is one of the reasons that you saw demand grow by almost 20% and that isn't even a full quarter. So we expect demand to continue to grow both in the clinic space where we primarily focus, but also we think that as we go through the second half of this year and especially into 2026, we'll see more commercial utilization and we're working on securing that right now. Raghuram SelvarajuMD - Healthcare Equity Research at H.C. Wainwright & Co., LLC00:22:01And then just two more very quick ones. Firstly, on OTREXUP, can you remind us about the length of exclusivity that still remains for this product? And then also if you could just characterize for us, now that Assertio has elected to halt commercialization activities on OTREXUP, what does this effectively mean for the SG and A line? What does that translate into in terms of savings? What activities are no longer necessary? Raghuram SelvarajuMD - Healthcare Equity Research at H.C. Wainwright & Co., LLC00:22:32And also, how does that perhaps you're not in a position to comment on this now, but any helpful color would be appreciated. How does the absence of commercial activity for this product impact your ability to monetize it on a strategic basis going forward, assuming that your priority has now shifted from active commercialization to divestiture? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:22:58Yes. So good questions, Ram. So I'll take part of it, and then I'll have A. J. Take part of it. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:23:04But if you think about OTREXUP, I mean, we have seven assets or we have seven assets across the variety of therapeutic areas with Atreksen being primarily rheumatoid arthritis. So that's not really necessarily a core commercial focus on us for us. We made the decision to focus our commercial efforts around rolodon and cipazan because those are the products that we see the most growth potential in. We had reached a point with OTREXUP where although it was driving top line, there was not much there as far as profit. So instead of spending additional funds to it, we decided to redirect those to where we thought we could actually grow. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:23:48That doesn't mean that, OTREXUP couldn't be profitable in somebody else's hand. It might have a more complementary portfolio that they could add to their rheumatology basket of products. But OTREXUP is methotrexate. There's no IP left on methotrexate in and of itself. It's combined in a pen from Halozyme. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:24:09So it would be difficult to maybe duplicate the exact product because of the pen drug delivery combination. But methotrexate itself has no IP, so there's other versions of it out there available in the market. AJ, I'll let you talk about some of the cost savings. Ajay PatelEVP & CFO at Assertio00:24:27Yes, Ram. We're expecting a good amount of cost savings from an SG and A perspective on OTREXUP next year. It's in the range of 2,000,000 to $3,000,000 which would comprise of any kind of direct spend we had on it from a digital marketing perspective and the annual PDUFA fee. Obviously, this was going to be offset by kind of the top line degradation. Overall, part of the decision was as we looked at the pricing competitive pressures that were there on top line and the cost pressures that are there from the device combo, it ended up being fairly neutral to EBITDA for this year, for the remainder of the year. Ajay PatelEVP & CFO at Assertio00:25:05And that's why you actually see a benefit in our narrowing of the EBITDA range upwards on the low end. Raghuram SelvarajuMD - Healthcare Equity Research at H.C. Wainwright & Co., LLC00:25:14Okay. Thank you so much. Operator00:25:18The next question comes from Nas Raman with Maxim Group. Your line is open. Naz RahmanAnalyst at Maxim Group00:25:25Hi, everyone. Congrats on the progress and thanks for taking our questions. Just have a few. Just want to start on ROBIDON. I guess at this point, how much of an effect are you seeing from the same day dosing data, if any? Naz RahmanAnalyst at Maxim Group00:25:38And I guess more towards that point, when do you start when do you expect to see larger and greater effects from the same day dosing data on sales? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:25:47No, it's great. Good question, Nav. Thanks. We are starting to get increased levels of interest and I think we've seen increased levels of interest in same day dosing since we presented the results end of last year and then first quarter of this year. So it's certainly an interest amongst providers. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:26:07We know that it's a growing interest. We hope to we submitted to a peer reviewed journal. We hope to have publication sometime this year. And I think once that happens, that'll be another catalyst. And ultimately, the goal would be to get this into the NCCN guidelines. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:26:24Whether that materializes or not, we obviously don't control and when. But that really today is not built into any of our projections. So that would definitely be an upside. And as we move to publication, we'll take a look and see what kind of lift we're getting from that. But there's definitely interest in same day dosing, and the interest is increasing. Naz RahmanAnalyst at Maxim Group00:26:49So I guess on that point, based on everything you now know in terms of publication timelines, what are you thinking now in terms of timelines for getting the same day dosing into NCCN guidelines? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:27:02Well, think the first step is publication. And as I mentioned, we hope to have publications still this calendar year. We've definitely made progress on that. And I would say NCCN probably by the 2026. It's possible it could be earlier, but not probable. Naz RahmanAnalyst at Maxim Group00:27:26Understood. And on, Symposium, now that you're, accelerating efforts for promotion, based on what you've seen thus far, I guess, what sales levels do you think you could return or get Symposium to at this point based on what you're saying? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:27:43Net sales number? Naz RahmanAnalyst at Maxim Group00:27:46Yeah. Net sales scripts. Yeah. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:27:49Yeah. I mean, I think I I think net sales could ultimately be between 25,000,000 and $30,000,000 in the next several years, so kind of double from where we are today. I think there's definitely growing awareness, and I think that SYMPAZAN is benefiting just from a share of voice out there and providers recognizing that it's there and how to prescribe it and how patients can get it. Naz RahmanAnalyst at Maxim Group00:28:15Got it. And just one last question. Can tell your pulling resources and promotional efforts from Otrexib? Is there a potential to divert some of that resources or, I guess, that time to, Rovodon and Symprazan? Like, why don't, why don't you think those do you think those products could grow faster with the Trexor resources, or do you think there's not much of a difference there, I guess, logistically? Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:28:38No. I mean, we are redirecting resources from other products to SYMPAZAN and Rolvidone, but that's already built really into our projections. I mean, this is OTREXUP is not a decision that we made yesterday. We've been looking at OTREXUP for quite some time, and it was built into this year's plan and projections other than the net sales piece, which we adjusted. Naz RahmanAnalyst at Maxim Group00:29:01Got it. Thank you for taking my questions. Brendan O’GradyCEO & Director at Assertio00:29:04Yep. Operator00:29:07This concludes the question and answer session and will conclude today's conference call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesBrendan O’GradyCEO & DirectorAjay PatelEVP & CFOAnalystsMatt KrepsManaging Director at Darrow Associates Investor RelationsThomas FlatenSenior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital MarketsRaghuram SelvarajuMD - Healthcare Equity Research at H.C. Wainwright & Co., LLCNaz RahmanAnalyst at Maxim GroupPowered by