ProPhase Labs Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Prophase expects to recover $50 million in net cash by suing insurers over underpaid COVID-19 receivables through Crown Medical Collections, enough to pay off debt and strengthen the balance sheet.
  • Positive Sentiment: The b smart esophageal cancer test just received a key patent covering eight protein biomarkers and is advancing toward publication, key-opinion leader support, and GI network adoption.
  • Positive Sentiment: Nebula Genomics has been restructured—lab operations closed, costs cut, subscription renewals added—and is working with ThinkEquity on strategic alternatives to unlock its genome-sequencing database value.
  • Positive Sentiment: Management is preparing a crypto treasury strategy with major partners to hold and deploy digital assets, aiming to raise substantial capital as the stock trades at a premium.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Shareholders must vote by August 29 on a proxy that, among other items, proposes increasing authorized shares to 1 billion to enable future financings and strategic transactions.
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Earnings Conference Call
ProPhase Labs Q2 2025
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Operator

Hello, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to today's presentation. My name is Noella Alexander Young, virtual event moderator here at Renmark Financial Communications. On behalf of our team, we want to thank everyone for joining us today for Prophase Labs second quarter twenty twenty five results. Prophase is trading on the Nasdaq under the ticker symbol PRPH.

Operator

Presenting today is Ted Carcas, chairman and CEO. Following the presentation will be a q and a session for which you can participate using the chat box in the top right hand corner of your screen. With that being said, I will now hand the floor over to Ted.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Noella, thank you as always. Oh, let's go back to the beginning. We're on the wrong slide. There we go. Look.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Thank you, Redmark. Love doing these VNDRs. I am really excited about everything going on with our company and looking forward to updating everybody today. So I will assume that you have all read the forward looking statement. This presentation, by the way, is on our website.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

So after this call, you can go to the website anytime, read it yourself. Of course, read the forward looking statement base which basically says everything I say today is true as of today. I speak from the heart. I speak from the mind. I don't type out notes like most CEOs and just read off a piece of paper.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I talk about the company. I live and breathe this every day. And but everything I say is accurate as of today. It doesn't mean that things don't change in the future. There's no guarantee that you won't get updated if things do change in the future.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

That's primarily what the forward looking statement says, but I'll assume that you have read it. And, let's move on to the next slide. These are the basic components of the company today. Now this is a quarterly press release as opposed to our typical Renmark presentations. This is really a combination of the two.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Renmark, you may not know how they're set up, but we basically do a VND or once a month. This month, we may actually do two, but we typically are doing one a month. We're we're, in effect, virtually in a different city and sometimes different state each month, and this is oftentimes new investors. But, of course, we've also invited all of our shareholders and all the people that read our quarterly press release to come on the call as well. So it's really a combination of potential new investors as well as people that are interested in just the quarterly update.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I could care less about our earnings right now. That's not the focus of the company. The focus of the company is we're a development stage company with some operating businesses that are operating, but also we have other businesses with enormous potential that are ready to kick in and go to next, next steps. So we have b smart. I'm going prophase, you know, labs biopharma b smart.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

That's our esophageal cancer test. We have DNA complete and nebula genomics. That's where we do whole genome sequencing primarily directly to consumers. We have Prophase supplements, and we have two other things. Actually, we should update this slide.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

This is interesting. On the left, it's not in the picture, but this is a critical component of our company. The Prophase has entered into initiative with Crown Medical Collections targeting over $50,000,000 in net near near term cash recovery from COVID nineteen receivables. That $50,000,000, given the market cap of our company today, $50,000,000 comes to the company. That's more than three times the entire market cap of the company.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I'm highly confident in that, by the way. So and that's why I actually put that as as the first bullet point when you look at the Prophase Labs quote verticals. There may be another vertical coming, our crypto treasury strategy initiative, and I'll I will get into that. I'll get into that at the end of the presentation. It's not actually a slide in our presentation today, but it wouldn't surprise me if it will be in the near future.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

But with that and by the way, I'm going to touch on the crypto treasury strategy today. There are couple of important bullet points I really want to cover. But then next week, we may have a separate press release, and we'll have a follow-up via endure in two weeks specifically primarily focused on the crypto treasury strategy. It could be an enormous new opportunity for the company. So with that said, I'm I'm not gonna go too much into this slide.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Most of you have seen this before. I do have a history of success, and it's not just since I took over control of our company. This goes back I have forty years of success. I've gone through nine months that have not been fun with stock price crash. We suffered dilution.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

All those things that I've never done in my entire career that we had to suffer through, but now we're coming out the other end of that. I like to think of ourselves at at our current stock price around 35¢. Not that different than when I took over turn turned took over control and turned around the company back in the day when our stock price was 65¢. I turned around the company, sold the Cold East brand for $50,000,000, did stock buybacks, paid out $2.40 in special dividends, and then gotten COVID testing. Right?

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

And with COVID testing, we did a $100,000,000 a year of revenues. Now isn't it interesting? We have a 35¢ stock price. Same CEO, same mentality. We're potentially going to this time instead of selling coldies for $50,000,000, we may come in to $50,000,000 from Crown Medical Initiatives for our prior COVID testing.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

And just like the opportunity that we then got into with COVID testing, we'd never been in COVID testing before, never been in the lab business before, and then we proceeded to outperform 95% of the labs in the country. Well, it's the same thing with the crypto treasury strategy. What's the most important component is to have a CEO that's smart and that can execute and that can attract great people. And so now we have the potential to enter the crypto treasury strategy. And if we have even 50% of the success of what we had with the COVID testing and given, you know, the competition, you know, I don't really consider them competition, but the upside could be absolutely enormous.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

So I'm gonna get into that towards the end of the presentation, but that's sort of an overview. Let's first start, okay, with Crown Medical. So what's going on with Crown Medical? I'll try and get those of you that don't know up to date with those of you, you that are completely up to date. Well, nobody's completely up to date.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

But the bottom line is we have 1,100 insurance companies that were reimbursing us for COVID testing. The government guaranteed reimbursement. When we did the COVID testing, the government ran out of money. Interestingly, behind the scenes, the government, through their subsidiary HRSA, HRSA, which ran out of money interestingly, HRSA was also funding some of the insurance companies. And so when HRSA ran out of money, insurance companies also started cutting back even though legally they weren't allowed to.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

So we got into a situation where legally, the insurance companies owe us an enormous amount of money. And so what we're doing is we're about to sue 1,100 insurance companies. We're doing it through a company called Crown Medical Collections. They have a couple of dozen attorneys all working on contingency. We are not paying them a single penny.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

They've done enormous amount of work in the past several months, an enormous amount of analysis. You should see the analysis I have. I have a spreadsheet of literally, like, 1,100 insurance companies, how much billing we did, what we got paid, what we didn't get paid. A critically important component of this is that insurance companies, in many instances, reimbursed us, but it reimbursed us at a lower rate than they were legally supposed to. As a general business practice, many insurance companies did this.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

They knew that they could do this because they could get away with it because what were the laboratories going to do? All the most or all the laboratories in the country just accepted what they got paid and figured, what are you gonna do? It's the cost of doing business. At least we're getting something we're getting more than what it cost us to process the test. So And every insurance company was paying differently, and we just had to put up with it.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

The bottom line is if the insurance company reimbursed us, but they reimburse us for less than they were legally supposed to reimburse us, that means they've underpaid us. They do not have a defense. So what we are doing is we are bankrupting the lab subsidiaries that are not doing any business now anyway. Doesn't cost us anything to bankrupt them. We are awaiting a court date with the judge.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I anticipate that court date is going don't count on this. I anticipate that court date is going to take place in roughly four to eight weeks, at which point Crown Medical goes hog wild. They start reaching out and say, we're now in bankruptcy court. We're now serving you with litigation. Up to this point, Crown already reached out to probably 100 of the 1,100 insurance companies, but a lot of them, their response is when you actually get the court date in bankruptcy court and you're actually about to service, that's when we'll sit down and talk seriously with you.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Now the other part of this is the amount of underpayment. So in many cases, was underpayment. There's no defense. So I'll just go off in a slight tangent here. Crown is not only representing us, they're representing about 40 other laboratories.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

In many instances, in most instances, these other laboratories are suing the same insurance companies, and they may be in multi different states. So imagine being in court in front of a judge suing an insurance company. They're representing five different labs suing the same insurance company. The same insurance company did the same unethical underpayment practices with five labs. It shows a history of and a pattern of behavior that at a minimum is unethical.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

The the insurance companies don't want the exposure. They don't want the press, the politics involved, plus they owe the money. So they settle. And so what Crown also did when they took all of our claims, they discounted them for how much they know they're going to have to discount. When when you're litigating with somebody and you settle out of court, you always settle for less.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

So they figured out what the percentage is that they're going to have to discount. They took that out of our gross total, came up with a net amount. That net amount is roughly $73,000,000. They take out a 30% contingency fee. We get the rest.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

It's roughly $50,000,000 cash. I'd be happy I don't wanna say a number. I'd be happy with a lot less. But understand, even the lot less I'd be happy with would still probably be a multiple of the entire market cap of our entire company. That's why, you know, I had to spend the first, you know, ten minutes just on Crown Medical.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

The other thing is once this money starts to come in, we can be done with debt in our company. One of the biggest expenses of our company in the last year has been the interest expense on the debt. If we were a debt free company, the biggest expense of the company would be God. We have done a phenomenal job, and I'll I'll get into this when I talk about Nebula, and this is really Jason Karkis, the president of Nebula that did this. He cut out an enormous amount of expenses and overhead.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I'll I'll get into that when we talk about Nebula. We are a much leaner, cleaner company now. If we get rid of the debt, we barely need any capital oil. Meanwhile, we have, you know, potentially $50,000,000 of cash coming in from Crown. That's just one of the opportunities with our company in terms of risk reward as an investment in our company and just one of the things that I'm excited about.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Alright. Let's move on. Prophase Biopharma led by our esophageal cancer test. So we just came out with news that we were awarded a very important patent. Why is this patent so important?

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Our scientists uncovered the key proteins that are expressed virtually every time you're developing esophageal cancer. What does that mean? Esophageal cancer and I know many of you have seen my presentations. I'll just tell you very quickly. The acid in your stomach over time, you know, that you take in acids for, over time, it will start to eat away at the bottom of your esophagus, which is connected to your stomach.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

It will you'll start to develop precancerous cells. That's a condition known as Barrett's esophagus. People with Barrett's esophagus have between one in fifty, one in a hundred chance of developing esophageal cancer. And the reason that's so serious is because once you are diagnosed with esophageal cancer, you have a seventy five, eighty percent probability you will die of esophageal cancer. It's one of the deadliest cancers.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Why is it such a deadly cancer? It's because it's diagnosed too late. So by definition, what does it mean it's diagnosed too late? It's diagnosed too late because there isn't an adequate diagnosis diagnostic test for diagnosing it early enough. That's where we come in.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

We have a test that diagnoses esophageal cancer earlier and more accurately. Not only that, it'll tell you if you're at high risk or low risk. The reason why that's important is because endoscopies, there's roughly sixty seven million endoscopies performed each year just in this country. And by the way, esophageal cancer is growing around the world. There are other countries where it's growing a lot faster than here.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Alright? So this is a global problem. But just in The United States, sixty seven million endoscopies per year. The reimbursement rate from insurance companies is is three, four thousand dollars per endoscopy. We're talking about so many billions of dollars.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Just on people that are at risk of esophageal cancer, it's about seven million endoscopies per year. That's up to $28,000,000,000 a year the insurance companies are reimbursing. This is a very serious issue, and it's very serious to the insurance companies. We have a test that'll tell you if you're in high risk or low risk. Also, the beauty of our test, our test is done in combination with the endoscopy to make the diagnosis of the endoscopy more accurate.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

There's nothing additional the patient or the doctor has to do. That's critically important because in the world of medicine, convenience is an important factor. In addition to the fact that, obviously, we we have a test that when you get the endoscopy, we only need one sample. So an endoscopy, basically, they stick a tube down your throat. They take out tissue specimens.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

They take out roughly seven or eight. Now, by the way, I don't wanna say we have competition because we haven't been we're not commercialized yet, but our competition is going to be I don't you know, I feel funny even mentioning the name of competition. The only real competition out there is a product that came out a couple of years ago, and the beauty is actually paved the way because they got the insurance companies paying for cash based or what's known as a laboratory developed test. And the insurance companies now pay for that. They paved the way.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

They didn't in the past, they didn't they weren't fast to reimburse for these extra esophageal cancer tests. Now they're doing it. So for us to enter the market, they and a couple of other companies paved the way. They already did the hard work. It's going to be easier for us to enter the market.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

And the key is with this patent, we have the eight protein biomarkers that are expressed virtually every time you're developing esophageal cancer. And depending on how much they're expressed, tells you whether you're at high risk or low risk. If you're at low risk, you don't have to get you don't have to get endoscopies as often. That will save the insurance companies billions of dollars. If you're at high risk, there's a procedure you can get called an ablation.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

It destroys all the precancerous cells and literally saves your life. And if it was up to GIs, they would give anybody coming in for an endoscopy. They'd say just to be safe, do the ablation. The problem is the ablations are relatively expensive, and so insurance companies don't want to reimburse unless you're close to death. The problem is once you're close to death, may be too late to do the ablation.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

So it's sort of a chicken or egg situation. You end up not enough people are getting ablations. We have a test that'll tell you you're at high risk. If you're at high risk, the insurance company will reimburse you. You get you get the ablation.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

It saves your life. And it saves the insurance companies the five years that it might take for you to die from the esophageal cancer and all the medical bills that they have to reimburse. So this is huge for the insurance companies. It will save them billions of dollars. At the end of the day, you know, it's sad to say, but when it comes to medicine, it's all about in insurance companies and, you know, where they're making money or losing money.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

And in this case, we would save the insurance companies billions of dollars if we can isolate the people at high risk. And on the other hand, the people at low risk, they don't have to worry about getting esophageal cancer. They don't have to get endoscopy's as often. They'll save the insurance companies billions of dollars as well. And nobody has these eight proteins.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Critically important. Now there's more to come. I have, I anticipate in the coming weeks at least one or two more press releases, positive developments towards commercialization for b smart esophageal cancer test. So I'll leave it at that for now. But suffice it to say, this is very exciting.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Our this I mean, I don't even know how to say this without it sounding ridiculous. We have, I don't know, $13.14, $15,000,000 market cap. It's nuts. Our this test could be worth hundreds of millions of dollars in one year. It just gives you and that's in addition to 50,000,000 potentially coming in from Crown Medical.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Just gives you an idea of the potential of our company. Let's move on. I'm not I I can talk more in the q and a about it, but it gives you a really, really good idea. We happen to have started to build a really nice advisory board with doctor Joe Abdu, who actually is one of the scientists that invented this. And, again, I'm gonna have more to talk about about commercialization.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I'd like to do that when the next press releases come out, but suffice it to say we have the patents. We have players interested. There there's a lot more to talk about. I I I I don't wanna do it today, but a key I will just say for the path to commercialization, a key factor is getting published in journals, getting key opinion leaders involved, etcetera, etcetera, because then the GIs will start ordering the test. All of that is coming.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

It's all in the pipeline. I'm really looking forward to next steps with our test. Okay? Let's move on. Nebula Genomics.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Are we on time? We're we're pretty good. Sip of water. Alright. Nebula Genomics.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

So we hired ThinkEquity to pursue strategic alternatives for Nebula Genomics, but there's a couple of different ways I want you to think about Nebula and also within the context of our whole company. One, as I mentioned, Jason Clark has completely restructured this business. I wish he had taken over sooner. We shut down the lab. We never should have built the lab in the first place.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

He was not a part of that. Right? Shut down the lab, cut out an enormous amount of IT, which we had to absorb when we had the lab, cut out an enormous number of people. Also, restructured the whole go to market strategy for selling Nebula so that we now get subscription renewals each year from everyone. Every anybody who wants to renew, there's none of this lifetime stuff where you just get it for the rest of your life.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Don't pay for it. Every year, you have to renew. So even if we operate this as a breakeven business, the following year, there will be profits from anybody that renews, a high percentage of people renew. The reason they renew? So, you know, I'm not really gonna go into the whole explanation of what Nebula Genomics is.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

We don't have time, and that's not the purpose of this specific call. But to be clear, what we do is we do direct to consumer, and this is our DNA complete direct to consumer business. We do whole genome sequencing, which studies your whole genome. It studies your whole DNA compared to 23,000,000 or an ancestry.com that studies less than 1%. If you want accurate ancestry information, you'll you'll do one of those tests.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

It'll be fine. It'll link you up to all the other people in the world based on that 1% of your DNA. If you want accurate health information, though, you wanna study your whole DNA. It's more expensive. That's where we come in.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

We do it very efficiently. But critically important for us, we have eight years of doing this. We've developed a database of roughly 60,000 people that have been whole genome sequenced. That's the equivalent of over 150 or 160,000,000 Ancestry tests in terms of the entire amount of data. The real point is a whole genome sequencing test provides you a thousand to 5,000 times more data than an Ancestry test.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

So just imagine how much more accurate the health related information is going to be. And that's why if you want health related information, you gotta get whole genome sequenced. And so it's an extra couple $100. And there are various levels of whole genome sequencing, one x, 30 x, 100 x. I'm not gonna go into it.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

The more you want it analyzed even even one x gives you a much more significant amount of data than an ancestry test of 30 x. It's just study it's how many times it studies the DNA in in the sequencing. In in any event, I went to probably more detail than I had to. The bottom line is the the this has been completely restructured and cleaned up now, so we could sell it now. But now that it's been cleaned up, if we get money in from our Crown Medical initiative, then it may not be necessary to sell Nebula Genomics now because Nebula could be worth, you know, two, three, four, five times as much literally just nine to twelve months from now.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

So I have to this is all strategy. There's no definitive answer. So while we're working with ThinkEquity to potentially sell the business, we're also working led led by Jason on building the business now that it's been cleaned up. With a little bit of capital and some advertising, this business will take off really nicely. Alright.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

That's enough about Nebula. For now, again, we can go and do it in the q and a. Prophase supplements, I'll just tell you very quickly. This is our historical business. I'm less interested in this right now, and I do wanna talk about the crypto when we don't have a lot of time to do it.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

So we're led by Legends XL, which we've been selling for many years. It's a small brand. It it keeps a direct to consumer business open for us. It's probably the least important of everything I'm going to talk about. Equivir, I know a lot of you still wanna know what's going on with Equivir.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

It has been complicated to say the least. The preliminary studies were fantastic. The final studies gave us some good stuff, not as good as the preliminary, and I'm waiting for a final report. Our consultant goes back and forth. The problem is the CRA CRO, the clinical research organization, is in another country.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Every time our consultant asks five questions, takes a week or two to get the responses. They're literally finalizing it right now. The one thing I learned from building the ColdEase brand, the claims on the package are critically important. The claims on the package are based on the clinical studies that back those claims. If you don't have clinical studies to back the claims, either the FDA will shut you down or more than likely class action attorneys will sue you and put you out of business anyway.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

That's why we can't move forward with this without the final clinical study results. Okay. Moving on. You know, that's our management team, our investment highlights. I I I really wanna talk about our crypto treasury strategy a little bit and our upcoming we have a new proxy coming up, which are critically important.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Alright? Again, we can go through this completely restructured and transitioned to significantly leaner company during the 2025. Again, we sold formalized manufacturing in January for $23,000,000. We shut down the Nebula Genomics Laboratory later We dramatically reduced headcount and IT and related overhead in the in the end of the first quarter and throughout the second quarter.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

The third quarter, we will now be look like a much cleaner company. A lot of the savings are really just now coming in will be coming into the third quarter. Alright. I reviewed the Crown Medical collections with you. I in the q and a, I can discuss more with that.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I talked about the Smart Esophageal Cancer Test. Be on the lookout in the coming weeks for some more positive developments towards commercialization. I told you some of the things that are very important with a new test. You need acceptance from your peers. That happens in the form of getting published, of having a clinical study and getting it published, and getting the key opinion leaders involved.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

And then reaching out to the GIs, find a network of GIs that are interested in using your test. You start there. You get good results. It it builds from there. We have some great partners in Mayo Clinic and EMPro.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

We have some great players. The the lead scientist at Mayo Clinic loves this loves this test. Alright? And, of course, our chief science guy that created it, who's on our advisory board, Joe Abdul, you know, he's worked and developed and commercialized other LDTs, and he thinks that this one is going to be absolutely huge. I could go on with this.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I wanna talk about our crypto strategy. We're we're on this last slide anyway. So this is really important, and I need to give you a little perspective before we get into the q and a. We had an ATM, which is stands for at the market. It's where you where you sell shares in the marketplace.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

When the stock's trading, you just sell shares that the company issues and you take in money. We had an ATM for, I don't know, a half a dozen years and never used it a single time. Just because you have an ATM doesn't mean you're gonna use it. Same thing with authorized shares. We had tens of millions of shares authorized that we never used.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Now we got into a difficult situation the first half of this year where we did, and that's why the share count grew. But we stopped doing that a while ago. We had something called an e lock. We're not going to be using we haven't used the e lock in months, and we're not using it anymore. We're going I I I don't even know if I wanna say this, but we're going to be canceling the e lock.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Now we have a proxy coming out that you have to vote for no later than August 29. That's two we have two weeks to vote. One of the things in the proxy, one of the items, is to vote on increasing our authorized shares to 1,000,000,000 shares. Now why 1,000,000,000? Frankly, it's an arbitrary number.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I could have done 100,000,000 instead of 1,000,000,000. I could have done 200,000,000. What whatever it is, it doesn't matter. We're not dumping hundreds of millions of shares of stock on the marketplace. That's not the purpose of it.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

The purpose of it is if we initiate the right crypto treasury strategy understand. If I get into this business, I'm going to go into it the same way we went into the COVID testing. The reason we got into COVID testing, we were investing with some of the money from the sale of Kaldi's. We invested in another public company that already had a laboratory, was already one of the first validated for COVID testing with the saliva test. For COVID testing, it was like, wow.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

This can be a great business. Let's invest in your company. They went bankrupt, and we generated hundreds of millions of dollars. So just because we're not the first in with a crypto treasury strategy doesn't mean we're not gonna be successful. I think we're gonna be alone.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I am not doing what's called the reverse merger so that there's no confusion here. And I wanted to say this for the end because I just went through a whole presentation where I told you about all the underlying value and all the different ways that we can be successful with our company. Given that, why would I throw that all away in something called the reverse merger? In a reverse merger, all they want is your shell. Nasdaq shells are in demand right now.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

They're paying $5,000,000, $10,000,000 for the shell. So what they basically do is they might do a deal with a company that's going to be a crypto treasury company. They basically, in effect, buy your company, but it's called the reverse merger because, you issue enough shares so that when you're acquiring this other company, 95 they get 95 percent of the shares. So in effect, they now own your company because they own 95% of the shares that's in. Basically, eventually, they weed you out of the company.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

That's what you do if the shell is a relatively worthless company. That's exactly what we're not doing. We are not doing a reverse merger. We are doing something different. We are going to get into the crypto treasury business potentially.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

If we do this, we're going to do this with world class partners. I'm not stupid. Okay? I promise you. I think most of you know that and have known me for a while.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

We have significant potential here to bring in large partners. They are not going to be attracted to our company if we don't have a large authorized share count. Why is that important? Because if our stock goes to one, two, three, four, five dollars a share, $10 a share, we have to be able to issue tens of millions of shares of stock or a 100,000,000 shares of stock. Suppose our stock's at $5 and we sell a 100,000,000 shares and raise $500,000,000 that debt.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Would anybody on this call be upset if I raise $500,000,000 at $5 a share when we have a 35¢ stock today? We need the authorized because if we don't have the authorized, no big player is going to want to get involved with us. I don't wanna get into who I'm talking to right now. We will have updates. I think I'm going to be coming out with a press release next week.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

But one of the key things of the strategy is I need the authorized so that the players that I attract to our company, if we bring them in, they know that the potential will be there to raise a billion dollars, $500,000,000, $100,000,000, whatever the number is. We would start at 200. We wanna raise billions of dollars, but not at 35¢ a share. Right? So I I'll give you a couple of quick examples.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Not that that means we're going to do anything like these companies, You know? But there are companies out there. You know, ThinkEquity, we have a great relationship with ThinkEquity. Guess what? They did one of the biggest deals of the year with Bitmain, BMNR.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Went from $4 to $40 the first day. Went to a 136. I think it pulled back to, like, I I don't know, $30 a share or something like that. And now it's just going up. It's, you know, trading whatever hundreds of millions of shares a day.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

They're able to raise a $100,000,000 a day if they want to, literally. And they're doing they wanna raise a billion, 2,000,000,000, multiple billion. I don't know the exact details of that deal. Okay? And I'm not saying we're going to do a deal nearly as successful as them.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Okay? But then there are other smaller companies that I can I I can point to? One eighty Life Sciences, stock symbols AT and F. This literally just happened the other day. It was a 90¢ stock last month.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

They came out with news that they were doing a crypto treasury strategy. The stock starts trading at $2. Then somebody named Peter Thiel comes in. He's a he's a really well known guy that he invested in the company. The stock went to $11 a share.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

So just imagine if we attract some big players. Do you think somebody like Peter Thiel's gonna come into our company if we have 2,000,000 shares available that are authorized to be sold in the marketplace? Of course not. We have to have the ability to raise money. But, again, this is no different than all the years that we had an ATM.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

We had authorized shares before. I just didn't run out and use them. That's not the point of it. So I I hope I made that clear. This is a critically important proxy.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I hope you all vote for it. We also have other items in there that are voluntary, like a stock buyback and other things that are really positive that are easier for shareholders to understand. But increasing the authorized does not mean we're selling any stock. And the idea is once we have this billion shares, if our stock is going up and it's trading high volume now, like, yesterday, for example, traded over our stock traded over 200,000,000 shares of stock. Now I'm not gonna get it.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

It's a little technical. Algorithms kicked in before the market opened. Obviously, these aren't real shares trading back. This isn't our shareholders. So and we didn't sell a share in that.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

We haven't sold a share in the stock market in a very long time. We're not doing it. As I said, we're gonna cancel the ELAC. We're going to have an ATM. It doesn't mean we're gonna use the ATM.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

And quite frankly, if the Crown Medical dollars start to come in, depending on where the stock price is, if it's this kind of stock, I could be buying back stock, which is exactly what I did seven years ago. So all of this is dynamic situation, but it's critically important that you tell all the other shareholders to vote for the authorized shares. It is really bullish for our company if you do that. I'm going to give you more information about the crypto treasury strategy next week. I'll do another VNDR in two weeks.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

But understand, if you want me to attract some of the biggest players in the industry, I I don't even know if I should tell you this. I'm talking to a mill multibillion dollar crypto company right now. I don't know if I should have even said that. But they're not gonna be interested if we don't have any authorized shares and an ability to raise capital as our stock price goes up. Alright?

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

So I hope you understand that this is bullish. I hope you understand as a CEO that I have a, you know, a fifteen year history of doing right by shareholders. I'm the largest shareholder in the company. I still even with the dilution that we had to suffer, I suffered probably more than anyone else. And to but to be clear, I still own just under 10% of the shares outstanding.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

But to be honest with you, I'm not just motivated by my shares. I'm motivated to do what's right for the shareholders and for the company to rebuild the value. I just I care. Maybe I care too much. You know what ThinkEquity tells me?

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

They love me as the CEO because I care more than any other CEO that they know. I I shouldn't say any other CEO. I don't wanna alienate other CEOs that they have relationships with. But and they just did two of the most successful crypto deals of the year. They're connected to a ton of people.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I don't wanna go into more, but I can just tell you there's a lot of potential on a crypto treasury strategy. And if everybody votes for the proxy, I think all systems could we we can have a lot of fun together. Okay? And, again, just remember, this is no different than we've got into COVID testing. We weren't the first in.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

And to be be clear with crypto, there's a limited amount of Bitcoin that will ever be manufactured or mined, and that's it. And so what's interesting, every government in the world, including ours and or especially ours, is now backing these currencies. You now have the government putting government money, you know, $4.00 1 k's, what whatever, in into cryptos, into Bitcoin. This isn't a fad. So unlike COVID, which lasted two or three years, this this is ten years.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

This is, you know, forever. This, in some respects, is like gold holding as a store of value. So there's a very interesting opportunity here. I want to seize it, but I need the shareholder support to do it. Okay.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

That was a little bit of a rant. I hope you don't mind. Noella, thank you for staying by. I I know that I ran over, but it was really important that I covered all that. Noella, we always do a q and a at the end.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

We still have about twenty minutes for the q and a. So I hand it over to you. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much, Ted, for the presentation. And as you mentioned, we do have a q and a. So your first question is, very excited on the progress for BSmart. What are the next steps?

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Okay. So the next steps, very specifically, we have to get a study published in a major journal. Wink. Wink. It's coming.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

The next step after that, pull in key opinion leaders. We already are getting them lined up. Once you have the legitimacy of a published study of our clinical study in a major publication supported by key opinion leaders, you can then start reaching out to a group of, you know, a hospital network, a network of gastroenterologists, get them to start using your test. It's very simp similar to what Castle Biosciences did with TissueCafer. I don't wanna compare to them.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I think that we have a significantly better test than they do, and they already paved the way towards LDTs, laboratory developed tests, getting reimbursed by insurance companies. Insurance companies now understand the purpose and value of a esophageal cancer test that gives you a more accurate diagnosis. So they're already starting to reimburse, and we believe our test is even more accurate. I don't wanna go into the details now, but I will just tell you as a quick example. Everyone say, oh, no.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

A tissue cipher is better. What could you have? Tissue cipher requires up to 12 specimens in order to give you accurate results. In order to get 12, sometimes it requires two endoscopies, which have a lot of risk. Or I don't know if the endoscopy the GI specifically has to go.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

A a GI typically, when doing a routine endoscopy, will take out seven or eight tissue specimens out of your esophagus. You have to take out more than that. That adds risk. Sometimes it turns into two endoscopy. In addition to that you know what?

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I I I don't wanna go into the differences. There's some other difficulties, also they don't have our eight key proteins. They're also using a technology that was developed thirty years ago or I heard sixty years ago, but say even thirty years ago. It's antiquated technology. It gives you antiquated results.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

What we do is at a mass spectrometry machine, which is very advanced. The latest ones even have AI associated with it. And so, again, I always compare it to right now, when endoscopy is done, you're taking tissue specimens and a pathologist studies the tissue specimens under a microscope to give you a diagnosis. The human eye looking into a microscope does not compare to a mass spectrometry machine with AI analyzing those same specimens. There's no comparison.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Plus, we have the patents on the eight proteins that are regularly expressed whenever you're developing esophageal cancer. So we have a really special test, and I I can't wait to go to market with it. I hope that answers that question. What's the next one, Noelle?

Operator

Thank you, Ted. The next question is, when will the esophageal cancer test hit the retail markets?

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Yeah. So when you say retail markets, this isn't like, I don't know, you know, Cologuard where they send it to your home and you do the test at home. This is for people already getting an endoscopy, so there's nothing additional that the patient needs to do. When the patient gets the endoscopy, the GI or the pathologist simply has to take one of those specimens, send it to our lab or the lab that we partner with to run it on our mass mass spectrometry. So when you say retail markets, this isn't something we're selling retail.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

This is a test that will be added to the endoscopy. And, again, this is for patients already getting the endoscopy. So it's a 100% convenient in the in that there's nothing additional that the patient or the doctor has to do other than the specimen that they're already extracting and send it to where our lab for sequencing or processing. So and in terms of timing, I just I think I already said the next step. Next step is publication in a major journal, get the key opinion leaders involved, and then start reaching out to GIs, which is in that not too distant future, actually.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

So in terms of commercializing, we're not we're actually not that far away. But it starts off slow. We start with one group of GIs. They start using it. The insurance companies start reimbursing.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

They have to learn what the test is. The first time, they'll probably re they might reject you, and then you send it back and they say, oh, wow. This is actually very interesting. These results are actually very important. They start reimbursing, and then word gets out there, and then you go start going to more GI group, and then it spreads.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

So the key is to find a group of GIs or a network or hospital network that will take your test and start using it. That's where advisory board comes in because the two gentlemen on our advisory board have vast experience and vast networks of people that they can go to and tremendous relationships. You know, with Mayo Clinic and Empro who are already our partners. And then there I don't even wanna go into the names here, and I won't get anybody in trouble, but there are vast networks of hospitals that our advisory board has relationships with. So that part should actually be relatively easy getting one of these networks to start using our test and then the word spreads, and then this will become a big success.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

And then somebody like an Exact Sciences, I haven't looked them up in the last few months. You know, they've been worth somewhere around $10,000,000,000. This would be a rounding error for them. They could give us $50,000,000 upfront and and a royalty, and the royalty, you know, one day, I don't know, could be $50,000,000 a year or something like that. I mean, the numbers could be crazy on this thing.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Well, for our little company with our not even I don't even think we have a $15,000,000 mark cap. Next question, please.

Operator

Your next question is, are you able to give us an update on timing of when you expect to start collecting from Crown?

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Yeah. So I I already addressed that. When the bankruptcy court, I would say I don't I wanna be conservative here. Within four to eight weeks, once we're in court with the judge, then we go hog wild on the insurance companies. And, again, Crown has already reached out to I can't remember what the number is.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I I think they told me they already reached out to about a 100 insurance companies. And the common answer is we know you. We hear you, we understand we're gonna have to settle with you. When you officially file, let us know, and then we'll talk again. And then it's just a matter of timing.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Does it take two weeks or four weeks to negotiate with them? How long does it take for the check to come in and so forth?

Operator

Thank you for the clarity on that, Ted. The next question is, can you tell us what line of crypto investing opportunities you're looking at?

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Yeah. I I think it's a little premature. I will tell you that the powers that be that we're working with, their their first focus is Bitcoin. They don't want me to say anything other than Bitcoin. They want me to say Michael Saylor, MicroStrategy, their approaches that our company becomes the next MicroStrategy and that we do it just as well or even better than MicroStrategy is doing it.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

They were first. Doesn't mean they're the best. And you know what? It's it's no different. Here's the here's the concept that I've been thinking about.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

If you think about somebody that's a really big hedge fund manager, you know, that's managing a $100,000,000,000. Right? And you say, what do you need another hedge fund for? There already is a hedge fund. What do you need another hedge fund for?

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

There's more money out there to be managed than one big hedge fund or 10 big hedge funds can manage. And it's the same thing with crypto. And there are more and more cryptos and there are more and more strategies. But the bottom line is if we attract big players, we will attract big investor interest. Knock on wood, our stock price will go up.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Our shareholders will do the right thing and vote to increase the authorized. We'll raise money as the stock price goes up. And before you know it, we could be sitting on half a billion dollars of cash in the stock price, you know, that's multiples of where it's trading right now, many multiples, and we take it from there. So I'll I'll have more to say about this, and I don't wanna I really wanna do this in a separate press release and go into more detail. I don't wanna speak out of line, and I don't wanna talk about people and partners without their permission.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

But I can tell you that we're already talking to major players.

Operator

Thank you, Ted. The next question is, will investors be diluted because of the crypto? We trust Ted, but we're afraid.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Love that question. The answer is we don't have to sing sell a single share of stock if we don't want to. The idea is to build value. And given all the things that we just covered, Crown Medical, $50,000,000 Commercializing our esophageal cancer test. Potentially selling Nebula Genomics.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

By the way, I should also mention on the Crown Medical, we are very we are working already on doing something entering what's called a DIP financing, debtor and possession. That is basically a financing against the the collections. If we do that, then every shareholder should be thrilled because they know that there's a company of experts. This is all they do, is they finance litigation where they know that there's going to be a positive outcome from the litigation, and they'll give you money, and then they collect as the funds actually come in. So, you know, they give you the money at a discount.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I I I don't know what the discount terms will be or whatever. I get it. I and I I don't know if that technically, I don't even know if that's considered debt because I don't believe we even have to pay it back. It it their collections come straight from the Crown Medical Initiative. And so if that money comes in, hell, if enough money comes in, then I don't have to raise money.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I can pay off some of the debt that we have right now. We can potentially even buy back stock and build our company. I would I would love to put some money to work at at Nebula. I think we could double or triple the revenues of that company very profitably, very quickly. I can't do it while we're tight on capital.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

You know, just an example, the b smart esophageal cancer test. We're not that's not initially going to be profitable. But I can tell you this much. I'm not spending a lot of money either in the early days. We're gonna do a a grassroots.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

And, you know, likely, once we gather some momentum, I guarantee you there are gonna be multibillion dollar companies knocking on our door wanting to buy us or partner with us. So we have those kind of opportunities. So the last thing in the world I'm going to do is destroy our stock price from here. I wanna do the opposite. I wanna build the value of it.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

The idea is to get the stock price going up, raise money as the stock price going up. That's the purpose of the crypto treasury strategy. As I said, I can give you five or 10 examples of companies who have just recently, not even three months ago, three days ago, who are executing on successful crypto treasury strategies and their stocks are going up one, two, three, four, five times. 100%, 500%. Crazy math.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I don't care if ours goes up 500% or not. But for you guys to worry, am I gonna destroy our stock price from here? Absolutely not. There's no reason to. If we were gonna destroy the stock price, then what's the point of doing it?

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I wouldn't do it. I just won't do it. So it's the same thing with COVID testing. We started off small. And by the way, I just wanna point this out to everybody.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

When we got into COVID testing, I think we had about a $2 stock when we decided to get into COVID testing. Within about six months and we had the ATM. We had the authorized shares. I didn't all of a sudden start dumping stock in the marketplace. In fact, I remembered our stock went up, and then somebody wanted to do a deal with us.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Our stock got to about $10. Somebody wanna do a $6 deal. And by the end of the day and I I I was talking about doing a raise with them. Then at two hours before 04:00, they said at $6, and I said, are you kidding me? My stock's $10.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Why would I do that? I said and and they crushed the stock. Okay? They said that's the only price we'll do. I said no.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

And you know what happened? You know, after they crushed the stock for a day, the stock starts right back up again. Where did we do it? I did $5,000,000 at, I think, I wanna say about $11 a share. I can't remember exactly.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

$10.11 dollars a share. And then two or three weeks later, we raised 37 and a half million dollars at 12 and a half dollars a share. We had the idea for the COVID testing when the stock price was 2. We didn't raise money at 2. We had the ATM.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

We had the shares authorized. I didn't go dumping stock at $2 to go get into the COVID testing business. So if that's real life, what I actually did, don't assume that I'm going to do just the opposite and destroy everybody. One of the largest shareholder in the company, and we don't have to do this deal. And we're not doing a reverse merger to just give away the companies of our company doesn't exist.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

So I know that there's a lot of fears out there, but they're irrational once you understand our strategy and what we're really trying to do. And, I wanna deploy the same strategy. If get the stock price moving up, sell stock is going up, raising money, so it's actually antidilutive. If you're raising money as the stock price going up and you're rate and you're raising the money opportunistically, it can actually be antidilutive, which is what a lot of these other strategies are. They raise money at at high stock prices.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

They they invest into crypto as long as you're trading at a premium to your net asset value, then all any additional money that you raise if you're raising above your net asset value, then you're increasing your net asset value on a per share basis. Once you're increasing your net asset value on a per share basis, then if you buy more crypto and you continue trading at a premium, you're just continuing to be actually antidilutive. You're actually increasing your value on a per share basis. It's a phenomenal strategy, and it's one that we can make work the right way. But one of the keys to it is attract big players to work with you that the investors get excited about because that's how you get you that's how in the early days, you get a premium on your stock price.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

So that's one of the keys. So it's it's a little more complicated than that. I'm happy to go into it more, but suffice it to say, I'm not here to crush the shareholders. I'm the largest shareholder. I'm here to build value.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

There's an opportunity here. I wanna seize the opportunity. It's that simple. We don't need this opportunity, but we didn't need COVID testing opportunity either. We didn't have to do that, but we generate $100,000,000 a year revenues.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

We made a lot of money for a while. And the only reason we're in this position now and our stock price isn't 5 or $10 a share right now is because the insurance companies and the government cut us off. And if I knew that they were gonna cut us off, I wouldn't have spent all the money that we spent, which was actually a rounding error at the time if the money came and it was supposed to come in. But because the money didn't come in, what was a rounding error, all of a sudden, put us in financial distress for a period of time. I was embarrassed for it for a while.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I've gotten over it now. It's my fault from the point of view that I'm the CEO, but the fact of the matter is the government pulled the rug out from under us. And so now we've cleaned up the whole company. I did exactly what I did when I turned around the company a dozen years ago, and our stock price was 65¢. We've now cleaned up the company.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

We have tremendous opportunities ahead of us, and I'm I'm really excited about the future of the company. Thank you for all those questions. I think we have time. Do we have another question or two?

Operator

Yeah. We have quite a few questions left, but we can squeeze in

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

two more. Let's at least do a couple more. Go for it.

Operator

Sounds good. The next question is, how many years of protection do you have with the b smart patent?

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Yeah. So with the b smart, I don't quote me on this. But since we just got the patent, it might be twenty years. But even if it's it isn't twenty years, there are ways of continually updating the patents with new inventions, additional protein markers. As we're as we roll this out and we start to commercialize this product, we will be gathering more data in effect, especially in the early days.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

We, in effect, will be building a larger and new clinical study on real patients live at the time. Our our previous studies were done where we we we had a there was a bank of specimens that we tested that were from, you know, patients that might have been tested two, three, four, five years ago, and so we get to see how they progress. So we do the test on the specimen and see what our test results were and then compare it to what happened to the patient. That's why we know that the test works so incredibly well because we already know the result of so I know if somebody's at high risk in our test, well, guess what? Since it was on a patient, we might have collected specimen three or five years ago.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

We now see, did the patient actually get esophageal cancer? What happened? That's how we know that our results are so phenomenal. So but we what we're going to do now is as we roll this out with the GIs, we'll be testing patients as they're going. We're gonna be building a big database of information.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

It's going to be like a monster clinical study that's going to continue to to validate what a great test we have. And as that happens, we will be able to formulate and build additional patents around our test. So not only do we potentially have twenty years on these patents, we're going to keep building on those patents. It's just going to be more valuable over time. Thank you. Great question. What's the next one, Noella?

Operator

Thank you, Ted. And then your last question or more of a comment for today is, as a great number of biotech companies and health care in general has been very disappointing in the past year aside from a few exceptions, Prophase could have the blockbuster product of the year.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

We can have multiple blockbusters. So first of all, yes, our b smart esophageal cancer test could absolutely be a blockbuster. In twelve months from now, it could be worth ten ten times the entire market cap of our company. Is it gonna happen? Maybe.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I I you know, let let's see how this all plays out in terms of timing, in terms of capital, etcetera, etcetera. What I can tell you is all the scientists I am working with on this are all super excited. They believe this is the best diagnostic test in the world for esophageal cancer. And the key with esophageal cancer is an accurate diagnostic test is critically needed to save lives. It'll save insurance companies billions of dollars, but it will also save an enormous amount of lives.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

And in addition to that, it will other also give other people that think that they are at risk peace of mind that they're not walking around every day saying, shit. Am I going to die one day of esophageal cancer? It's it's really awful way to live. And so we have a test that says, no. You're very low risk.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

Don't worry about it. It gives them peace of mind. They will it also then saves billions of dollars as well. So that's a very exciting test. I'm also excited about the Crown Medical Initiative.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I also think that Nebula Genomics is a hidden value now that Jason Carcass has has turned it around. And it's just a matter of what we do with it, and a lot of that depends on capital, and it depends on how the initiative goes with ThinkEquity, whether we sell it or keep it. If a lot of money starts coming in from Crown Medical and, you know, we grow it might be smarter strategically for the company to grow Nebula rather than sell it. And then at the same time, you know, our crypto treasury strategy could dwarf everything else we're doing right now. So we'll we'll have to see as all these things play out.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I really enjoyed the call today. I anticipate a press release probably next week. Don't quote me. It might be the week after on our crypto treasury strategy initiative and next steps. And then we have the proxy in two weeks.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

We will have another VNDR before the proxy, before the final date of the proxy. The proxy is August 29. I don't know what day shareholders will start to get their proxies in the mail relatively soon. Please, it's really important to the company that you vote. We number one, we need a quorum, so please vote.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

And number two, it's in the best interest of the shareholders to vote for all of the items on there. You know, one of the big ones obviously being the authorized shares. That's what gives us the ability to move forward and attract, you know, multibillion dollar companies and multibillion dollar individuals to partner with us to build this into something really special. So I'm looking forward to next steps. Looking forward to the VNDR in two weeks, potentially press release either next week or the following week on our crypto treasury strategy.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I anticipate a press release or two coming on on BSmart on things in the works. So there's a lot of good things going on. I'm excited for the future, and I appreciate everybody listening to me for an hour. I'll be I love to talk, and this is the one time I don't get in trouble for talking a lot. Noella, you're the best.

Ted Karkus
Ted Karkus
Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs

I love having you on these calls. Thank you so much. Thank you to Renoir, and have a great day.

Operator

Thank you so much, Ted. And once again, thank you to everyone for joining us today for Prophase Labs second quarter twenty twenty five results. Prophase is trading on the Nasdaq under the ticker symbol PRPH. The playback will be available on our website twenty four to forty eight hours after this presentation under the VNDR Library tab. Please stay tuned for the next quarterly call, and see you next time.

Analysts
    • Ted Karkus
      Chairman & CEO at Prophase Labs
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