NYSE:SARO StandardAero Q2 2025 Earnings Report $27.16 +0.29 (+1.08%) Closing price 08/22/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$27.26 +0.09 (+0.35%) As of 08/22/2025 05:01 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast StandardAero EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.20Consensus EPS $0.21Beat/MissMissed by -$0.01One Year Ago EPS$0.02StandardAero Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.53 billionExpected Revenue$1.50 billionBeat/MissBeat by +$28.28 millionYoY Revenue Growth+13.50%StandardAero Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2025Date8/13/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateWednesday, August 13, 2025Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsStandardAero's Q3 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, November 12, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by StandardAero Q2 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 13, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: In Q2, revenue rose 13.5% to $1.53 B and adjusted EBITDA jumped 20%, expanding margins by 80 bps to 13.4%. Positive Sentiment: The company raised its 2025 guidance to $5.875–6.025 B in revenue and $790–810 M in adjusted EBITDA, targeting a ~13.4% margin despite a $10–15 M tariff headwind. Neutral Sentiment: The ramp of new growth platforms is progressing, with LEAP revenue tripling sequentially and a $1.5 B+ LEAP pipeline, while CF34 and CFM56 capacity expansions continue to industrialize. Positive Sentiment: Component Repair Services delivered a record 29% adjusted EBITDA margin on 31% revenue growth, bolstered by strong organic performance and the AeroTurbine acquisition. Negative Sentiment: Management cautioned that ongoing supply chain constraints and broader macroeconomic uncertainties persist as challenges despite strong demand. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallStandardAero Q2 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Greetings and welcome to the Standard Arrow Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Ramad Bandana, Vice President, Investor Relations. Ramad, please go ahead. Rama BondadaVP - IR at StandardAero00:00:34Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Standard Aero's second quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. I'm joined today by Russell Ford, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Dan Satterfield, our Chief Financial Officer and Alex Trapp, our Chief Strategy Officer. Alongside today's call, you can find our earnings release as well as the accompanying presentation on our website at ir.standardarrow.com. An audio replay of this call will also be made available, which you can access on our website or by phone. Rama BondadaVP - IR at StandardAero00:01:05The phone number for the audio replay is included in the press release announcing this call. Before we begin, as always, I would like to remind everyone that statements made during this call include forward looking statements under federal securities laws. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from projections. Such risks and uncertainties include the factors set forth in the earnings release and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including in the Risk Factors section of our annual report on Form 10 ks for the year ended 12/31/2024. We assume no obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required by law. Rama BondadaVP - IR at StandardAero00:01:52Additionally, during today's call, we will discuss certain non GAAP financial measures such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, free cash flow, net debt to adjusted EBITDA leverage ratio and organic revenue growth. A definition and reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in our earnings release and in the appendix to the earnings slide presentation on our website. Non GAAP financial measures should be considered in addition to and not as a substitute for GAAP measures. With that out of the way, I'd like to now turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Russell Thorne. Russ, over to you. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:02:30Thank you, Rama, and thanks to everyone for joining our earnings call today. Let's begin on Slide three. For the second quarter, we again delivered robust results, increasing revenue 13.5% and adjusted EBITDA increased by 20% compared to the prior year period. Our performance was underpinned by robust demand across our key end markets as well as disciplined operational execution within both of our segments, Engine Services and Component Repair Services. We continue to expand our margins while also advancing our ramp in new growth platforms, which are a near term headwind to margins. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:03:09Our diversified portfolio spans more than 40 engine platforms across all major OEMs and end markets, including commercial aerospace, business aviation, military and helicopter. This breadth not only provides multiple avenues for growth, but also creates built in resilience across market cycles. Now looking more closely at our end markets. Our commercial aerospace sales grew 14% year over year driven by CF34, LEAP, CFM56 and our turboprop platforms. Our backlog of MRO work here remains strong with demand for engine aftermarket services outpacing MRO supply globally. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:03:53We expect this favorable supply demand environment to continue for the foreseeable future. Our business aviation sales increased 9% versus Q2 last year. Solid demand for engine platforms that power midsize and super midsize business jets drove strong revenue growth this quarter. Our military sales grew 12% year over year due to the contribution from our AeroTurbine acquisition, which closed in August 2024 as well as from growth on our AE1107 and J85 programs that more than offset some lighter work scopes on other military platforms that we service. Moving on to adjusted EBITDA. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:04:35Margins continue to expand in Q2, increasing 80 basis points year over year to 13.4%. This improvement was driven by strong sales growth, favorable mix, pricing and productivity initiatives within both of our segments. Additionally, our higher margin Component Repair Services segment delivered a record margin this quarter and continues to represent a greater share of our overall business consistent with our strategic direction. Turning to slide four. As a result of our continuing top line growth, expanding margin performance and robust end market demand in the quarter, we are again increasing our 2025 guidance with a continued outlook for double digit revenue performance and adjusted EBITDA margin expansion year over year in both of our segments. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:05:28Now relative to our operational and commercial highlights in the second quarter. We remain focused on executing across our strategic priority areas, which we think will drive long term value for our shareholders. These initiatives include accelerating the ramp up of our LEAP program, expanding our CFM56 and CF34 capacity and enhancing our capabilities in component repair services. Let me begin by providing more detail on our progress on the LEAP program. In the second quarter, we completed our first LEAP shop visits and began deliveries from our facility in San Antonio. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:06:08LEAP sales tripled sequentially and while volumes are still modest, the momentum has been exceptional. We remain in the early stages of this program's ramp with continuing acceleration expected through the 2025. Our technicians and leadership team are focused on completing final industrialization steps this year, delivering our first performance restoration shop visit or PRSV in the second half and continuing to scale. Demand for LEAP MRO services continues to grow with our pipeline and win rates strengthening each quarter. Standard exceed $1,500,000,000 up from $1,000,000,000 we mentioned at the end of last year supported by strong wins year to date. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:07:00We continue to expect LEAP revenues to reach $1,000,000,000 annually by the end of the decade. Turning to CF34 and CFM56. We continue to capitalize on the organic investments we've made in these platforms. On CF34, we again achieved robust year over year growth following the expansion of our GE relationship at the 2024. Given our growing market position, we expect the CF34 platform to drive growth well into the next decade. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:07:32On CFM56, recall that we are one of the only independent MRO businesses in the world that is adding meaningful overhaul capacity. This engine platform currently has the largest installed base in the history of commercial aviation and we are well positioned to keep gaining share. We continue to make progress on the industrialization of our CFM56 Dallas Fort Worth facility and are simultaneously winning sales campaigns to build out our backlog with a diverse top tier customer base. In the second quarter, we inducted our first PRSV full performance restoration shop visit at the facility. In addition to our PRSV capabilities, we have continued to grow our menu of service offerings for this platform from quick turn events to green time and lease assets and now into engine exchanges while staying consistent with our strategy of offering OEM aligned solutions. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:08:31These service offerings, which are synergistic across our enterprise, have been a cornerstone of many of our mature program offerings on other platforms and we're pleased to be able to support the CFN56 in the same way while also maintaining our asset light structure. Moving on to another area of organic investment, we are approaching the grand opening of our newly expanded business aviation facility in Augusta, Georgia. This expansion, we announced in April 2024 adds 60% capacity to this facility and is on track to come online in the 2025. This is very timely given that we hit a new record in HTF-seven thousand sales in Q2. The expansion in Augusta will increase our HTF-seven thousand capacity and the facility performs the complete suite of MRO work scopes. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:09:23In addition, the expanded footprint will be capable of performing airframe services on large cabin business jets. We are the exclusive independent heavy overhaul provider on the HTF-seven thousand. And with this additional capacity coupled with growing demand, we see this platform as an important element of our continued growth in business aviation. This expansion came about in close collaboration with the Augusta Regional Airport, the Augusta Economic Development Authority and the State of Georgia. It's expected to generate about 100 new jobs for the area. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:10:00Turning to growth initiatives for our Component Repair Services segment, we continue expanding our portfolio of OEM authorized LEAP repairs. This is expected to drive increased third party sales and greater in sourcing of addressable repairs from our engine services business as we strengthen integration between our two segments. Now pivoting to capital allocation. We think we're exceptionally well positioned to deliver strong returns through a multi pronged approach combining organic investments and platforms where we hold strong market positions, strategic M and A, additional platforms and additional repair capability. With respect to organic investments, you just heard about our expansion initiatives with CFM56, CF34 and HTS-seven thousand. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:10:50There are more opportunities such as these in the near and medium term that will allow us to continue this pattern of disciplined organic investments that we expect will generate a high return on invested capital for our shareholders. On the M and A front, we're staying close to the market. We have a growing pipeline of targets and ample balance sheet capacity. We will remain disciplined and focused on allocating capital to areas where we see strong strategic and synergistic alignment such as AeroTurbin. That now concludes my comments, and I'll ask Dan Satterfield, our CFO, to walk through our financial results and outlook with additional detail. Dan? Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:11:33Thank you, Russ. I will begin on Slide five with some highlights from our second quarter results. For the second quarter ended 06/30/2025, we generated revenue of $1,530,000,000 as compared to $1,350,000,000 for the second quarter last year, representing 13.5% growth, of which 11.5% was organic. We saw strong growth at both our Engine Services and Component Repair Services segments. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:12:00Adjusted EBITDA increased to two zero five million dollars for the 2025 compared to $170,000,000 for the prior year period, representing 20% growth, as adjusted EBITDA margins expanded 80 basis points year on year, inclusive of our growth platforms, which are dilutive to margins as they ramp. This was driven by continued top line growth and margin expansion in our key MRO programs and continued strong growth and expansion in our higher margin Component Repair Services segment, including the acquisition of AeroTurbin last year. Net income increased to $68,000,000 for the second quarter of twenty twenty five compared to $5,000,000 for the prior year, driven by increased sales and expanding margins, paired with our reduced interest expense from our debt pay down and subsequent refinancing events. Free cash flow was a $31,000,000 use in the quarter, which was in line with our expectations given our ongoing growth investments. Higher earnings and lower interest from refinancing actions were offset by higher working capital and CapEx, driven by growth for the LEAP, CFM56 and CF34 platforms. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:13:12I'll dive a little deeper into cash flow on a later slide. Now moving into our two segments, starting with Engine Services on Slide six. Engine Services revenue increased by $139,000,000 to $1,350,000,000 in the second quarter, representing 11.5% growth compared to the prior year period. Notable drivers included robust aftermarket activity across key established platforms and accelerating production ramp on growth programs in commercial aerospace as well as strong performance in business aviation. On the commercial side of the segment, we said at the beginning of the year that our four big growth platforms would be LEAP, CFM56, CF34 and turboprops and those again this quarter drove our top line growth. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:14:00We also saw continued strength in our mid and super midsize business jet and engine platforms. And as Russ mentioned earlier, our HTF-seven thousand business saw record levels in the quarter. On the military side, a strong rebound in AE1107 work and strength of the J85 engine were partly offset by lower than expected work scopes on the military transport side of the business. On the earnings front, Engine Services adjusted EBITDA grew 16% in the second quarter and represented a 50 basis point margin expansion year on year to 13.2%. The increase reflects strong performance across our core commercial and business aviation segments, driven by favorable product mix, volume growth and productivity improvements. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:14:46Once again, expansion in CF34 and our turboprop business continued to more than offset the dilutive margins on our growth platforms, namely LEAP and CFM56 Dallas Fort Worth. On the Business Aviation side, mix and pricing drove the margin expansion. And in military, the higher volumes in AE1107 paired with continued strong margins in J85 offset the above mentioned lower work scopes in the military transport business. On Slide seven, Component Repair Services second quarter revenue increased 31% compared to the prior year period to $178,000,000 Notable drivers included continued growth in our land and marine business, the contribution of $27,300,000 in revenue from the Aeroturbine acquisition and robust underlying demand across our served platforms. This was somewhat offset by slower timing of inputs from certain commercial customers. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:15:45As we stated last quarter, we expect the inputs from these customers to rebound in the second half of this year and we are already seeing early signs of this. In the quarter, Component Repair Services adjusted EBITDA grew 50% year on year, which was the result of our revenue growth and over three sixty basis points year on year margin expansion to 29%. This is a record adjusted EBITDA margin quarter in CRS. This increase reflects strong volume, pricing and favorable mix as well as the impact of the AeroTurbine acquisition. Now moving to Slide eight, I'll discuss our free cash flow for the quarter. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:16:24Free cash flow for the quarter was a $31,000,000 use. We saw a $108,000,000 build of working capital in Q2. Nearly half of this increase was driven by our growth ramp for the LEAP and CFM56 Dallas Fort Worth programs. We expect working capital activity to turn to a meaningful tailwind in the 2025, driven by the timing of receivables and as our supply chain activity improves, which we expect to more than offset increased working capital from ramping growth programs. Maintenance CapEx in the quarter was $9,000,000 which is less than 1% of revenue. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:17:01Major platform investments in 2Q were $30,000,000 We paid the remaining $15,000,000 for our CF34 license expansion in the quarter. For LEAP, we spent $7,000,000 which brings year to date investment for that platform to $26,000,000 For our CFM56 expansion in Dallas Fort Worth, we spent $8,000,000 which brings that investment year to date to $10,000,000 We continue to expect $90,000,000 in major platform investments for the full year, of which year to date we have completed $66,000,000 Our cash taxes in the quarter included our full year estimated twenty twenty five tax payment for The U. S. We continue to expect free cash flow for 2025 to be in the range of $155,000,000 to $175,000,000 Turning to slide nine, our leverage at the end of the quarter improved to 2.99 times net debt to EBITDA. This compares to 5.4 times at the 2024 and three 0.1 four times at the end of fiscal twenty twenty four. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:18:05While we are pleased with where we sit from a leverage perspective, we are also focused on continuing to delever the business through organic earnings and cash flow growth and continue to target long term net leverage between two and three times. At our current level, we already have ample balance sheet capacity to conduct accretive and strategic M and A. Now to our guidance on slide 10. We had a strong first half to the year despite continued supply chain issues throughout the aerospace industry and the ever changing tariff landscape. Irrespective of these issues, both of our segments continue to deliver on both top line growth and adjusted EBITDA margin expansion. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:18:50This is a reflection of our strong operating culture, our focused workforce, diversified portfolio and strong demand across our end markets. As Russ mentioned earlier, we are increasing our revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance ranges from our May earnings call. We now expect revenue in 2025 to be between $5,875,000,000 and $6,025,000,000 This increase in sales expectation is from our Engine Services segment and driven by the CF34 and turboprop business. This means we now expect sales to grow about 13.5 year over year at the midpoint of our guidance or about a 100 basis point increase versus our previous guidance. Adjusted EBITDA is now expected in the range of $790,000,000 and $810,000,000 This increase is primarily driven by our higher sales guidance and better than expected margins in both of our segments and is inclusive of our estimated net tariff impact of $10,000,000 to $15,000,000 In Engine Services, we now expect about 13.3% adjusted EBITDA margins or a 30 basis point increase from our previous guidance. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:20:03This is the result of better than expected performance in our core engine platforms outstripping the weight of our ramping LEAP and CFM56 programs. The Engine Services segment will see year on year margin expansion in 2025 inclusive of these currently margin dilutive growth programs. For the Component Repair Services segment, we now expect segment adjusted EBITDA margins of about 28.3%, a 130 basis point increase from our previous guidance and a two twenty basis point year on year expansion. Driving the increase in our expectations are the productivity gains in this segment along with the contribution from AeroTurbine. For the company as a whole, we now expect an adjusted EBITDA margin of around 13.4%, up from 13.3%. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:20:55Offsetting some of the segment level gains in the year are higher corporate expenses, primarily due to upgrades to key operational roles to implement supply chain centralization and working capital optimization as well as some additional public company related expenses and tariff related service fees. The increase to our full year 2025 guidance reflects continued strong demand in our core end markets. We had been expecting low double digit to mid teens growth in our commercial aerospace end market this year, but we now expect that to be at the top end of that range in the mid teens. We continue to estimate high single digit growth in the business aviation end market and in the military and helicopter end market. With that, I'll turn it back over to Russ to wrap things up. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:21:44Thank you, Dan. Now to summarize, Standard Aero has delivered a strong first half in 2025 as promised and we're not done yet. We continue to operate in a difficult supply chain environment and in uncertain macroeconomic times. However, we remain focused on the responsibility that our shareholders place on us. We continue to see a strong demand environment for our business and remain well positioned to take advantage of this by deploying capital in both a disciplined and strategic manner. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:22:16Additionally, we remain committed and on track to deliver high quality and predictable results this year and well into the future. That concludes our remarks for the second quarter. And with that operator, we're now ready to move to the Q and A session. Operator00:22:32Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question is coming from Seth Seedman from JPMorgan. Your line is now live. Seth SeifmanExecutive Director at JP Morgan00:23:08Hey, thanks very much and good afternoon. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:23:11Hey, Seth. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:23:12Hey, Seth. Seth SeifmanExecutive Director at JP Morgan00:23:13Hey. I wanted to start off just in thinking about the cadence of the year in Engine Services, you've kind of been thinking about revenues kind of growing sequentially through the year as there was incremental work on LEAP and CFM. Revenues were higher than I had expected in the second quarter. And then when I look at the rest of the year, it looks like the run rate kind of comes down from the second quarter level. Should we be thinking differently about that cadence now? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:23:43Not really. I mean, we've guided up on revenue on the strength of the ES segment and we called out in particular the CF34 program, Seth. That continues to be a strong driver of growth. The top four drivers of growth remain the same and the expectations there are in line with earlier expectations, in particular LEAP, really pleased to see LEAP triple their growth quarter over quarter. And Dallas Fort Worth is also coming online. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:24:16We feel good about the second half and the guidance that we've given you there. Seth SeifmanExecutive Director at JP Morgan00:24:20Okay. Okay. Great. And then maybe following up a similar topic, but just the margin dilution that resulted from the new programs. I don't know if there's a way kind of quantify what that was and maybe talk about how it evolves going forward? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:24:40Yes. So the company expanded margins 80 basis points in the quarter. That would have been significantly more excluding the ramp programs, which shows the underlying growth and margin accretion in our core programs. And I think you can kind of do the math there. It's lot of the several basis points of multiple basis points higher than the 80 basis points and all that's happening within ES. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:25:08So those if you look at the how those programs are developing in total, the losses on those programs, which we add back to adjusted EBITDA that are within cash flow are narrowing significantly. So it's really great to see that. So the same drivers of margin accretion on those programs are what we expected, higher revenue to absorb the industrialization costs as well as the learning curve. So you're going to see those programs cracking into profitability sometime late this year or early next year. And then, yes, that drag on margins is known and is exactly the way we're expected. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:25:52So it's great to see the 80 basis points including those strong revenue growth on zero margin platforms. Seth SeifmanExecutive Director at JP Morgan00:26:00Great. Thank you very much. Operator00:26:04Thank you. Next question today is coming from Doug Harned from Bernstein. Your line is now live. Douglas HarnedManaging Director at AB Bernstein00:26:09Good afternoon. Thank you. On the growth on particularly those three programs, the LEAP, CFM56 and CF34, how should we look at this? Because you're you've got a certain amount of capacity at DFW and in San Antonio that you're looking to fill. Is are you seeing the work come in at a faster rate than you had expected? Douglas HarnedManaging Director at AB Bernstein00:26:37And on CF34, how are you getting that growth there? Is that just faster throughput through the shops? Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:26:47Thanks, Doug, for the question. It depends on the program that you're talking about. So I'll try and walk through the different dynamics on some of the programs. If you start first of all with LEAP, recognizing that this is a brand new engine, not only for us, but for the world in general. We're very carefully expanding our throughput at San Antonio because at this stage of the program, we want to make sure that precision and process creation takes the front and center stage. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:27:21It's more important to get the processes rolled in correctly or precisely than it is for speed. The bookings are very robust. That's not the issue. But again, we're going be building these engines for the next forty years. We want to make sure that we get the processes tightly controlled as we start to ramp up. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:27:42CFM56 is a little bit different case because it's an engine that we know well. We've done more than 1,000 of these engines at our facility in Winnipeg. So as we continue to build the pipeline there, what we're doing is we do have a new facility here for CFN56, but we can transport a lot of the process knowledge by using some of our people in Winnipeg to accelerate the industrialization of CFN56, which is why we believe we're going to be able to see pretty strong throughput capacity on full heavy work scopes in the second half of the year on CFN56. And then CF34 is different situation because of the maturity of that program. If you look at the number of engines that were put into service for CF34, there was a surge of deliveries of those programs in the 2015 to 2019 timeframe. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:28:47So that means that ten years in between now and 2029, you're going to see a lot of those engines then coming due for their first major overhauls. And then as you move into the 2030 timeframe, the early 2030s, they'll be coming in for second, third overhauls because there really is no replacement engine or alternative for the CF34 and the applications in which it works. So we're kind of at the beginning of an increased flow of CF34 work over the next four to five years just based upon the age at which those engines were introduced into service. Douglas HarnedManaging Director at AB Bernstein00:29:29Okay. And then as a follow-up, you mentioned the engine exchange approach. Can you describe what you're trying to do with the engine exchange strategy? Does this involve keeping an inventory at all of engines or modules? How are you approaching this? Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:29:48Yes, great question. Thanks for asking. We're pretty excited about it. It's a and it really underlies our asset light structure. So no, we're not stocking up a ton of parts. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:30:00What really represents is a onetime investment for an exchange engine, which gets swapped out for a returned engine that falls in then to our MRO process. We overhaul that engine and we swap it again and swap it again and swap it again. So it's a pretty light asset light investment on an initial CFM56 engine that we then offer to customers. What we really like about the program is the natural synergies that we have within Standard Aero. So that exchange engine comes into our shops. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:30:34And because of our CRS component repair opportunities and capability, we're able to do that at low cost and at high tack time, high speed. So this engine exchange program can really accelerate as those engines pass through our system. So no, it's not a big investment. It is another menu item that makes our CFM56 capabilities that much more exciting for customers. And as this ball rolls, you're able to compound the investment and the exchange program engines, they will compound over time. Douglas HarnedManaging Director at AB Bernstein00:31:17Okay. Very good. Thank you. Operator00:31:19Thank you. Next question is coming from Myles Walton from Wolfe Research. Your line is now live. Myles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLC00:31:26Thanks. I just wanted to clarify on that last point if I could, Dan. Think that you're leasing and then subleasing and you're not actually owning those assets. Are you able to do the maintenance on those assets from a controlled perspective? Or are those owned assets and managed by someone else and you're just a party to the lease? Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:31:48Doug, thanks for the follow-up. No, we are buying this initial engine. This is a owned engine by Standard Arrow that we will then resell back to the customer in exchange for his or her exchange asset. We do have that the leasing option. That's one of the menu items that we provide. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:32:05We can connect customers with preferred lessors. But this engine exchange program are owned assets by Standard Arrow. Myles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLC00:32:15Okay. Should we expect that pool to be a drag on or an investment of cash flow into next year and the following years those CFM56 and the program No. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:32:24As a matter of fact, that's sorry, I didn't make that clear. It's a onetime investment and really single digit millions of dollars to get the ball rolling. And as it is as we move these engines through the system, we're able to get more and more of them, but it's not a significant drag on working capital. It will be for the first time, it's just a single engine and then the program kind of feeds itself, funds itself. So it's not tens of millions of dollars in a big investment and a big rollout. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:32:56It is a self funding engine exchange program that can gain over time. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:33:00Yes. Just to be clear, we're talking about top tier customers that bring us an engine that they may want to trade in because it has an event or a section of the engine that may be approaching an expiration on its maintenance limits. So many times these engines have been OEM maintained. They don't have PMA parts in them. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:33:23They're coming off of some type of power by the hour program. They have parts and materials in them that have aerospace grade traceability. But for various reasons, they don't want to spend the money on that engine to provide a full performance restoration to give it another 18,000 to 20,000 cycles. They may only need 4,000 or 5,000 cycles, so they can bring that engine to us. We will purchase another engine. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:33:54We will rebuild that engine to the specs that they need, swap it out for the engine that they bring us and then we can take that engine and we have options for that. We can rebuild it or we can reduce it to parts. So we are not building a pool of rotable engines. Myles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLC00:34:13Got it. Thanks for the clarification. I think that's crystal clear. And then Dan, on the cash flow, second half implied to be $250,000,000 of free cash flow. EBITDA looks about the same. Myles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLC00:34:23So obviously, it's all working capital taxes and CapEx. Can you sort of give us the walk on working capital in particular? I get the taxes. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:34:32In the second half? Myles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLC00:34:34Yes. To make the Yes. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:34:37We do see the unwinding of our working capital position in the second half. It really has to do with our cash conversion cycle. So first of all, the $108,000,000 build of working capital in the second quarter, half of that is funding LEAP, very happy to do that, get that program off the ground. And then the rest is these CF34 engines and others where we have huge backlog, huge demand. These engines are moving through our MRO process. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:35:06They wind up in contract assets. And what we expect to see in the second half is that the constrained parts come in and these engines will be shipped and liberated out of working capital. And these are pretty much known block of engines coming through some of our significant facilities that will unwind. So I'm pretty confident about the second half working capital. And then, of course, the we spent $66,000,000 of our $90,000,000 capital investments. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:35:39There's only a little bit more to go on the big platform expansion programs. So that will be a lower overall spend. Cash taxes will be somewhat lower in the second half. So we feel pretty good about the second half guidance. And by the way, it's I think it's $260,000,000 of implied second half cash flow. Myles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLC00:35:59I was rounding, but thanks. I appreciate it. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:36:05Thanks, Thank Operator00:36:07you. Our next question today is coming from Ken Herbert from RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now live. Ken HerbertManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:36:13Hey, you called out $500,000,000 as the backlog on the LEAP in terms of bookings. Can you specifically say what was that in the second quarter? And of these bookings, what's the timeframe we should expect that to sort of convert to revenues? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:36:37Thank you, Ken, for the question. The bookings in fact continue to be very strong for the second quarter. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:36:44In our last earnings call, for our first quarter, we said that the bookings were approaching $1,000,000,000 So we are now at about $1,500,000,000 subsequent to that call. And we're happy with the win rates that we're seeing. We're happy with the implied returns that we're seeing on these interim programs coming to it. We're happy to see the diversity of the customer base. We're not dependent on just one program or just one region. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:37:16So it's materializing as we expect. The range of those engine programs, some of them are they're Lightworkscope, C Tim types of events that we're going to be working on initially for the first couple of years. That will make up the bulk of the work. And then the heavier work scopes, you'll start seeing that two years down the road as we enter into some of the bigger longer term contracts. There will be some PRS fees that will flow through, but again, the bulk for the first two years are likely to be C TIM events as we move into then the longer contracted five and ten year kinds of periods for some of the airlines. Ken HerbertManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:38:03Great. Thanks, Dan. And I'm sorry, Russ. And as we look at the really strong CRS margins in the second quarter, was there anything unusual or sort of one time that impacted segment margins in the CRS business? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:38:19No, no. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:38:20We called out the contribution from ATI that continues to be a great investment for the company and having a good impact on the business. And the Land and Marine growth is quite accretive to the segment as well. The commercial narrow body engines that we grew on, which include the V2500, GTF, CF34, that's all great business. Nothing unusual in there, just a great mix in CRS. Yes. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:38:51Despite the ATI contribution, if you look at the underlying part of the business, it was a very healthy 25% organic growth that includes some of the in sourcing activities that we have going on to make a broader use of our growing repair catalog. So that's a continuing element. Ken HerbertManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:39:13Great. Thanks, Bryce. Operator00:39:17Thank you. Next question is coming from Sheila Kahlegel from Jefferies. Your line is now live. Sheila KahyaogluAerospace & Defense & Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group00:39:23Good afternoon, guys, and thank you so much. I want to maybe start off with a follow-up on Miles' and Doug's question about the CFM56 exchange program. Can you maybe talk about how many modules you have capacity for? How you think about the engine margin contribution of those versus your standard work? And do you do that on any other engine type? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:39:47So this is standard work. What we're doing is providing an exchange program for somebody who wants to turn on their engine to get an exchange for an engine with greater green time, right? And then that exchange engine comes into our so we sell it to them at a margin, good margins. And then we bring that engine into our shop and it's good old standard aero MRO. So we'll run that through the shop. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:40:13We'll deploy USM and you'll have normal expected margins on CFM56 as on the MRO side. What's different is that at a very low investment, I'm starting off with an exchange engine. That engine that comes into my shop, I overhaul and then I offer that to the next guy, to the next customer. And I sell that to him or her at good margins. And then their engine comes in and gets overhauled. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:40:41So there's nothing unusual about this and it just fits into the our normal capacity for engine exchanges and engine overhaul work in Dallas Fort Worth and Winnipeg. Sheila KahyaogluAerospace & Defense & Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group00:40:56Great. Alex TrappChief Strategy Officer at StandardAero00:40:56Sheila, this Alex. Alex TrappChief Strategy Officer at StandardAero00:41:01We do this on other engine programs at similar points in their product life cycle just to confirm the last part of your question. So we're And Sheila KahyaogluAerospace & Defense & Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group00:41:13maybe another question on the $120,000,000 investment that MTU announced in the lease facility in Dallas Fort Worth. How do you think about the $1,000,000,000 annual target for LEAP by 02/1930? And what your capacity is? And does MTU, I don't think it impacts you at all, but how do you think about them being added as a CBSA partner? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:41:34It's goodness actually because the market needs it. The amount of installed base there, the growing number of events, this is right in line with what CFM intended both GE and Safran as they develop this engine, right? Over time, they want to they said they want to double the amount of work that's going into the MRO network and then double it again. So that means you've got to have additional capacity and capability. So I think this is goodness for the industry. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:42:11It's a goodness for the airlines that there will be capacity to be able to respond, especially as the engine goes through its initial robustness growing pains over the first few years. Sheila KahyaogluAerospace & Defense & Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group00:42:26Great. Thank you. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:42:29Thanks, Sheila. Operator00:42:30Thank you. Next question is coming from Jordan Leonez from Bank of America. Your line is now live. Jordan LyonnaisEquity Research Associate at Bank of America00:42:37Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. On the M and A pipeline being full, could you guys give us any more color on what you're looking at right now, anything that's actionable? And if the engine exchange program that you'll set up opens aperture at all? Alex TrappChief Strategy Officer at StandardAero00:42:59Hi, Jordan. It's Alex. So the M and A pipeline is similar story, very robust pipeline. And we continue to look at things that make sense. We're kind of our goal is to be patient and disciplined in the way that we're deploying capital in general, and M and A is just one of those ways that we deploy capital. So very similar story as it's been the last couple of quarters, just close to the action, studying the market, in processes and just waiting for the right thing to go after. Jordan LyonnaisEquity Research Associate at Bank of America00:43:44Got it. Thank you. Operator00:43:47Thank you. Next question is coming from Krista Friesen from CIBC. Your line is now live. Krista FriesenDirector - Equity Research at CIBC Capital Markets00:43:52Hi, thank you. Maybe if I can just follow on that last question there. As you think about the organic growth opportunities versus M and A, are you prioritizing one over the other at this time? Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:44:07Yes, great question. Listen, we've got a lot of outstanding opportunities for capital allocation. And if you look at them, they're well defined by what we've done. So on the organic side, a lot of excitement and a lot of opportunity with the Dallas Fort Worth expansion. We consider that a great organic investment. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:44:25The Augusta facility that Russ mentioned earlier, really excited about that. We're going to be cutting the ribbon on that in August. That provides not only fantastic airframe work on the larger airframes, but also additional capacity for our engine shops on the HGF 7,000 program, for example, which is a wonderful program. And another organic investment that we talked about as part of our platform investments was that expanded relationship we have with General Electric that's showing up on our CF34 program, expanding the commercial agreements with them and it's really turning into a great margin enhancer. Another opportunity for capital allocation, of course, our new platforms. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:45:13The best example of that is the LEAP platform that has a 60,000,000,000 entitlement over the next thirty years. So platforms are also another type of investment sort of quasi organic. And then M and A, right? ATI has been a great acquisition, really contributing to growth and margin expansion at CRS, which we love to do. And all of this really they're all return based reviews. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:45:40All of these opportunities of which there are many are all return based. Look at the engine exchange program that we're putting in place that we're really excited about. Very little investment and a really great opportunity not only for our customers, but also improve margins and flow through our factories. So, we're really excited about deploying our strong free cash flow in our Asset Light business. We have lots of opportunities to do that. Krista FriesenDirector - Equity Research at CIBC Capital Markets00:46:07Okay, great. And if I can just follow-up on one of the earlier questions around the free cash flow. Is there anything that we should be mindful of just as we're thinking about the cadence of free cash flow through Q3 and Q4 this year? Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:46:23Yes. Also a great question. So clearly, as we discussed earlier today, we've got strong free cash flow, implied free cash flow of $260,000,000 in the second half. So two factors underlie that. There is some seasonality in our business. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:46:40So if you look at our quarterly results in prior periods, there's stronger cash flow in the back half of the year. What's happening this year again is this really outstanding demand we've seen in the first half on CF34, LEAP, CFM56, our turboprop suite of engines, strong demand. That requires working capital, right, to satisfy that demand. And we see these engines, a lot of them, an outsized piece of them really getting liberated from working capital and shipping in the second half, which is going to generate that really strong free cash flow that we're excited about. So, I'm quite confident in our free cash flow guidance for the second half. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:47:19And it is driven by that cash conversion cycle. Feed the machine with inventory, work in process, they become contract assets through our percentage of completion method of accounting, They accrue on the balance sheet. And as the engines are completed and tested and shipped, then they're released. By the way, collections have been great. We recently centralized our collections team and we're seeing really strong performance out of that. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:47:50So all of that is going to contribute to the good cash flow in the second half. Krista FriesenDirector - Equity Research at CIBC Capital Markets00:47:56Okay, great. Thanks for that. I'll pass the line. Operator00:48:00Thank you. Next question is coming from Christine Liwag from Morgan Stanley. Your line is now live. Kristine LiwagExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:48:05Hey, good evening, everyone. I want to follow-up on the engine exchange for the CFM56. I mean, no surprise, this is a topic of the conversation. The question I have is when you look at the duration in which customers would have to wait for their engines, does this exchange program lower the duration weight? Or what's the value add for the customer to do this? Kristine LiwagExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:48:30And the question is really stemming from you've got a competitor who built a CFM56 engine module where they do have a pool of inventoried assets ready to go with a shorter duration time. I'm just trying to understand how similar or different your approach is on the business because it seems like that kind of inventory pool model could get you 35% to 40% EBITDA margin. So trying to understand what your approach is, how similar or different it is to what they're doing. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:48:59Thanks, Christine. Look, there's a couple of advantages that you might get on CFM56 as with other engines platforms that we do this type of work on. The first, as you mentioned, is in fact, a lot of times you're talking about smaller work scopes, faster work scopes, the turn time should be increased. You have the ability to apply USM in many cases. So there could be a cost advantage as well as a timing advantage. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:49:30But the difference between us and for instance an EFTY is much broader than that. And we have the ability I also should say we have the ability to provide an engine solution that is more closely matched to what the customer actually needs in their particular operating environment, right? Because not everyone needs an engine for a full PRSV. They may be operating in an environment where they have other considerations that they need something less than that. So we can do it faster, we can match what they need and give them a more cost effective maintenance solution than just, hey, your only choice is a brand new engine. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:50:16Now relative to Eftahi, again, we offer a much broader suite of actions other than just swapping modules. Many times what you need to do is get down inside the module and do work module, which we have the ability and the authorizations to do. And then you also have for us, you have economies of scale, breadth of knowledge because we do this work on multiple engine platforms. And we also have the ability to work across different end customers, different market segments, different OEMs. We're not limited to just one engine from essentially one customer. Kristine LiwagExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:51:02That's super helpful. And then regarding the economics of this, Ross, I mean, this engine exchange program seems to be pretty interesting. What kind of margin could you earn on a program like this versus a regular restoration visit where a customer comes in the regular way without the exchange? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:51:18Yes. I mean the normal margins that we have on CFM56 work are also evident in this program. Of course, where we have the ability to deploy USM, right, that's an additive margin, where we're able to do more work in house with our CRS capabilities that accretes margin. These are all levers that we already have. The engine exchange program is really a great option for customers, who want an immediate engine in exchange for the one they're turning in. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:51:55The other thing that this should do is it should increase our access to a broader pool of USM. Kristine LiwagExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:52:05Sorry. And another follow-up on this. You guys mentioned that you don't expect to have a pool of inventory of this. So in order to have an engine ready for a customer, are you just planning to do like a one for one type Or will you have multiples of these CFM56s in various work scopes ready to go? I just want to understand and match that with the inventory comment you had mentioned. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:52:30Yes. So it's a onetime investment in mid single digit millions of dollars to get the program started. Then as that continues, the program becomes self funding. So it's we're not doing a big suite of pool of engine investments. Otherwise, my cash flow forecast would probably look different and it doesn't, right? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:52:51So no, it's modest investment to get the program rolling. And once it rolls, it generates additional margins that we can do it again and do it again and do it again. It's more of a one for one, Kristen. Kristine LiwagExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:53:07Great. Thank you. Operator00:53:08Thank you. Next question is coming from Gavin Parsons from UBS. Your line is now live. Thanks guys. Good evening. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:53:19Hey Gavin. Gavin ParsonsDirector - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at UBS Group00:53:21On the engine services margin in the second half, it's still ramping LEAP and CFM56, but guided supplies were stable from the second quarter. So are we at peak dilution there? Does that step up again next year? Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:53:35Yes. I mean, so the dilutive impact of course grows as the revenue on these grows. And you can see, yes, you're right, my implied margins in the second half on ES are 13.1 right? So right in line. So we and we expect to continue this ability to offset the dilutive margins on these great ramping programs with the activities that we've got on our core engine platforms. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:54:01And so it's quite indicative that the guidance is exactly what we expect it to do. The core business is offsetting the important investments of these ramp programs. There's a convergence of curves. So as the volume builds on the newer engines where the productivity and the efficiency is not as good, that has a dilutive effect. But as we come down the learning curve, then that will offset the volume and eventually these two lines will cross. Gavin ParsonsDirector - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at UBS Group00:54:32Okay, great. And then on ES repairs done internally, like you're still at 10%. What determines how quickly you can ramp up that mix? And where can you take that as a percent over time? Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:54:46Yes. I mean the in sourcing if that's what you're referring to that activity is strongly up versus the prior year almost 40%. And that's obviously great for a variety of reasons, right? We're growing CRS and we're getting the in house repairs done at our cost. So as we continue to do this, it's all good news for margins. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:55:11It's good news for turn times because we keep the work in house. We're typically able to do it faster than sending it out. And so we it's a margin accretive activity. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:55:23What drives this Gavin is two things. Number one, the repair development work that we continue to do, right? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:55:32We have an entire engineering staff that focuses on developing new repairs. And every time we add one of those repairs to our portfolio, that's work that is being done outside of our company that we can bring in and run through this repair cycle. And then the other thing that has essentially the same impact is the acquisitions that we've done growing the repair catalog for our CRS group. So both of those things are essentially having the same effect, which is to expand your catalog for authorized repairs. And as soon as that happens, then all of that work that we're having to take outside will come back to us in addition to the ability to sell those to the third parties or to the outside market to be able to have those additional repairs as well. Gavin ParsonsDirector - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at UBS Group00:56:24Got it. Thank you. Operator00:56:28Thank you. Next question is a follow-up from Myles Walton from Wolfe Research. Your line is now live. Myles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLC00:56:33Great. Thanks for the follow-up. Russ, on GE's investor update, they pointed to 30% of Leap Shop as it's being done externally by 02/1930. They had previously pointed to about 40%. Have you seen any change in customer behaviors or the ability of the MRO network to take on more of the load of the external stock visits? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:56:57We've seen no change to the pipeline for RFPs or the interest from the airlines. The OEs, Safran, GE, they've got a limited amount of shop capacity to apply to MRO work. They're focused on new production of these engines and will be for a number of years. So they're unlikely to be expanding. What they need is they need the network to expand like us. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:57:30And so I think that that's all goodness. But what it does in effect is it's what we are seeing is the airlines are pushing harder to get longer term contracts put in place sooner than they might have on other engines in the past, because they know that that MRO capacity is going to get allocated and they want to make sure that they've got spots. So that's actually good for us. It's pushing the contracts towards us earlier and gives us more bargaining power. Myles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLC00:58:08Okay. Thanks again. Operator00:58:12Thank you. We reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over for any further or closing comments. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:58:18Okay. Very good. Thanks everyone. We appreciate you joining us today for the earnings call. We also appreciate your continuing support for Standard Aero and we'll look forward to talking to everybody again soon. So with that, we'll end the call. Thank you. Operator00:58:34Thank you. That does conclude today's teleconference and webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Greetings and welcome to the Standard Arrow Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Ramad Bandana, Vice President, Investor Relations. Ramad, please go ahead. Rama BondadaVP - IR at StandardAero00:00:34Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Standard Aero's second quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. I'm joined today by Russell Ford, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Dan Satterfield, our Chief Financial Officer and Alex Trapp, our Chief Strategy Officer. Alongside today's call, you can find our earnings release as well as the accompanying presentation on our website at ir.standardarrow.com. An audio replay of this call will also be made available, which you can access on our website or by phone. Rama BondadaVP - IR at StandardAero00:01:05The phone number for the audio replay is included in the press release announcing this call. Before we begin, as always, I would like to remind everyone that statements made during this call include forward looking statements under federal securities laws. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from projections. Such risks and uncertainties include the factors set forth in the earnings release and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including in the Risk Factors section of our annual report on Form 10 ks for the year ended 12/31/2024. We assume no obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required by law. Rama BondadaVP - IR at StandardAero00:01:52Additionally, during today's call, we will discuss certain non GAAP financial measures such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, free cash flow, net debt to adjusted EBITDA leverage ratio and organic revenue growth. A definition and reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in our earnings release and in the appendix to the earnings slide presentation on our website. Non GAAP financial measures should be considered in addition to and not as a substitute for GAAP measures. With that out of the way, I'd like to now turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Russell Thorne. Russ, over to you. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:02:30Thank you, Rama, and thanks to everyone for joining our earnings call today. Let's begin on Slide three. For the second quarter, we again delivered robust results, increasing revenue 13.5% and adjusted EBITDA increased by 20% compared to the prior year period. Our performance was underpinned by robust demand across our key end markets as well as disciplined operational execution within both of our segments, Engine Services and Component Repair Services. We continue to expand our margins while also advancing our ramp in new growth platforms, which are a near term headwind to margins. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:03:09Our diversified portfolio spans more than 40 engine platforms across all major OEMs and end markets, including commercial aerospace, business aviation, military and helicopter. This breadth not only provides multiple avenues for growth, but also creates built in resilience across market cycles. Now looking more closely at our end markets. Our commercial aerospace sales grew 14% year over year driven by CF34, LEAP, CFM56 and our turboprop platforms. Our backlog of MRO work here remains strong with demand for engine aftermarket services outpacing MRO supply globally. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:03:53We expect this favorable supply demand environment to continue for the foreseeable future. Our business aviation sales increased 9% versus Q2 last year. Solid demand for engine platforms that power midsize and super midsize business jets drove strong revenue growth this quarter. Our military sales grew 12% year over year due to the contribution from our AeroTurbine acquisition, which closed in August 2024 as well as from growth on our AE1107 and J85 programs that more than offset some lighter work scopes on other military platforms that we service. Moving on to adjusted EBITDA. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:04:35Margins continue to expand in Q2, increasing 80 basis points year over year to 13.4%. This improvement was driven by strong sales growth, favorable mix, pricing and productivity initiatives within both of our segments. Additionally, our higher margin Component Repair Services segment delivered a record margin this quarter and continues to represent a greater share of our overall business consistent with our strategic direction. Turning to slide four. As a result of our continuing top line growth, expanding margin performance and robust end market demand in the quarter, we are again increasing our 2025 guidance with a continued outlook for double digit revenue performance and adjusted EBITDA margin expansion year over year in both of our segments. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:05:28Now relative to our operational and commercial highlights in the second quarter. We remain focused on executing across our strategic priority areas, which we think will drive long term value for our shareholders. These initiatives include accelerating the ramp up of our LEAP program, expanding our CFM56 and CF34 capacity and enhancing our capabilities in component repair services. Let me begin by providing more detail on our progress on the LEAP program. In the second quarter, we completed our first LEAP shop visits and began deliveries from our facility in San Antonio. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:06:08LEAP sales tripled sequentially and while volumes are still modest, the momentum has been exceptional. We remain in the early stages of this program's ramp with continuing acceleration expected through the 2025. Our technicians and leadership team are focused on completing final industrialization steps this year, delivering our first performance restoration shop visit or PRSV in the second half and continuing to scale. Demand for LEAP MRO services continues to grow with our pipeline and win rates strengthening each quarter. Standard exceed $1,500,000,000 up from $1,000,000,000 we mentioned at the end of last year supported by strong wins year to date. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:07:00We continue to expect LEAP revenues to reach $1,000,000,000 annually by the end of the decade. Turning to CF34 and CFM56. We continue to capitalize on the organic investments we've made in these platforms. On CF34, we again achieved robust year over year growth following the expansion of our GE relationship at the 2024. Given our growing market position, we expect the CF34 platform to drive growth well into the next decade. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:07:32On CFM56, recall that we are one of the only independent MRO businesses in the world that is adding meaningful overhaul capacity. This engine platform currently has the largest installed base in the history of commercial aviation and we are well positioned to keep gaining share. We continue to make progress on the industrialization of our CFM56 Dallas Fort Worth facility and are simultaneously winning sales campaigns to build out our backlog with a diverse top tier customer base. In the second quarter, we inducted our first PRSV full performance restoration shop visit at the facility. In addition to our PRSV capabilities, we have continued to grow our menu of service offerings for this platform from quick turn events to green time and lease assets and now into engine exchanges while staying consistent with our strategy of offering OEM aligned solutions. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:08:31These service offerings, which are synergistic across our enterprise, have been a cornerstone of many of our mature program offerings on other platforms and we're pleased to be able to support the CFN56 in the same way while also maintaining our asset light structure. Moving on to another area of organic investment, we are approaching the grand opening of our newly expanded business aviation facility in Augusta, Georgia. This expansion, we announced in April 2024 adds 60% capacity to this facility and is on track to come online in the 2025. This is very timely given that we hit a new record in HTF-seven thousand sales in Q2. The expansion in Augusta will increase our HTF-seven thousand capacity and the facility performs the complete suite of MRO work scopes. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:09:23In addition, the expanded footprint will be capable of performing airframe services on large cabin business jets. We are the exclusive independent heavy overhaul provider on the HTF-seven thousand. And with this additional capacity coupled with growing demand, we see this platform as an important element of our continued growth in business aviation. This expansion came about in close collaboration with the Augusta Regional Airport, the Augusta Economic Development Authority and the State of Georgia. It's expected to generate about 100 new jobs for the area. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:10:00Turning to growth initiatives for our Component Repair Services segment, we continue expanding our portfolio of OEM authorized LEAP repairs. This is expected to drive increased third party sales and greater in sourcing of addressable repairs from our engine services business as we strengthen integration between our two segments. Now pivoting to capital allocation. We think we're exceptionally well positioned to deliver strong returns through a multi pronged approach combining organic investments and platforms where we hold strong market positions, strategic M and A, additional platforms and additional repair capability. With respect to organic investments, you just heard about our expansion initiatives with CFM56, CF34 and HTS-seven thousand. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:10:50There are more opportunities such as these in the near and medium term that will allow us to continue this pattern of disciplined organic investments that we expect will generate a high return on invested capital for our shareholders. On the M and A front, we're staying close to the market. We have a growing pipeline of targets and ample balance sheet capacity. We will remain disciplined and focused on allocating capital to areas where we see strong strategic and synergistic alignment such as AeroTurbin. That now concludes my comments, and I'll ask Dan Satterfield, our CFO, to walk through our financial results and outlook with additional detail. Dan? Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:11:33Thank you, Russ. I will begin on Slide five with some highlights from our second quarter results. For the second quarter ended 06/30/2025, we generated revenue of $1,530,000,000 as compared to $1,350,000,000 for the second quarter last year, representing 13.5% growth, of which 11.5% was organic. We saw strong growth at both our Engine Services and Component Repair Services segments. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:12:00Adjusted EBITDA increased to two zero five million dollars for the 2025 compared to $170,000,000 for the prior year period, representing 20% growth, as adjusted EBITDA margins expanded 80 basis points year on year, inclusive of our growth platforms, which are dilutive to margins as they ramp. This was driven by continued top line growth and margin expansion in our key MRO programs and continued strong growth and expansion in our higher margin Component Repair Services segment, including the acquisition of AeroTurbin last year. Net income increased to $68,000,000 for the second quarter of twenty twenty five compared to $5,000,000 for the prior year, driven by increased sales and expanding margins, paired with our reduced interest expense from our debt pay down and subsequent refinancing events. Free cash flow was a $31,000,000 use in the quarter, which was in line with our expectations given our ongoing growth investments. Higher earnings and lower interest from refinancing actions were offset by higher working capital and CapEx, driven by growth for the LEAP, CFM56 and CF34 platforms. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:13:12I'll dive a little deeper into cash flow on a later slide. Now moving into our two segments, starting with Engine Services on Slide six. Engine Services revenue increased by $139,000,000 to $1,350,000,000 in the second quarter, representing 11.5% growth compared to the prior year period. Notable drivers included robust aftermarket activity across key established platforms and accelerating production ramp on growth programs in commercial aerospace as well as strong performance in business aviation. On the commercial side of the segment, we said at the beginning of the year that our four big growth platforms would be LEAP, CFM56, CF34 and turboprops and those again this quarter drove our top line growth. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:14:00We also saw continued strength in our mid and super midsize business jet and engine platforms. And as Russ mentioned earlier, our HTF-seven thousand business saw record levels in the quarter. On the military side, a strong rebound in AE1107 work and strength of the J85 engine were partly offset by lower than expected work scopes on the military transport side of the business. On the earnings front, Engine Services adjusted EBITDA grew 16% in the second quarter and represented a 50 basis point margin expansion year on year to 13.2%. The increase reflects strong performance across our core commercial and business aviation segments, driven by favorable product mix, volume growth and productivity improvements. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:14:46Once again, expansion in CF34 and our turboprop business continued to more than offset the dilutive margins on our growth platforms, namely LEAP and CFM56 Dallas Fort Worth. On the Business Aviation side, mix and pricing drove the margin expansion. And in military, the higher volumes in AE1107 paired with continued strong margins in J85 offset the above mentioned lower work scopes in the military transport business. On Slide seven, Component Repair Services second quarter revenue increased 31% compared to the prior year period to $178,000,000 Notable drivers included continued growth in our land and marine business, the contribution of $27,300,000 in revenue from the Aeroturbine acquisition and robust underlying demand across our served platforms. This was somewhat offset by slower timing of inputs from certain commercial customers. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:15:45As we stated last quarter, we expect the inputs from these customers to rebound in the second half of this year and we are already seeing early signs of this. In the quarter, Component Repair Services adjusted EBITDA grew 50% year on year, which was the result of our revenue growth and over three sixty basis points year on year margin expansion to 29%. This is a record adjusted EBITDA margin quarter in CRS. This increase reflects strong volume, pricing and favorable mix as well as the impact of the AeroTurbine acquisition. Now moving to Slide eight, I'll discuss our free cash flow for the quarter. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:16:24Free cash flow for the quarter was a $31,000,000 use. We saw a $108,000,000 build of working capital in Q2. Nearly half of this increase was driven by our growth ramp for the LEAP and CFM56 Dallas Fort Worth programs. We expect working capital activity to turn to a meaningful tailwind in the 2025, driven by the timing of receivables and as our supply chain activity improves, which we expect to more than offset increased working capital from ramping growth programs. Maintenance CapEx in the quarter was $9,000,000 which is less than 1% of revenue. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:17:01Major platform investments in 2Q were $30,000,000 We paid the remaining $15,000,000 for our CF34 license expansion in the quarter. For LEAP, we spent $7,000,000 which brings year to date investment for that platform to $26,000,000 For our CFM56 expansion in Dallas Fort Worth, we spent $8,000,000 which brings that investment year to date to $10,000,000 We continue to expect $90,000,000 in major platform investments for the full year, of which year to date we have completed $66,000,000 Our cash taxes in the quarter included our full year estimated twenty twenty five tax payment for The U. S. We continue to expect free cash flow for 2025 to be in the range of $155,000,000 to $175,000,000 Turning to slide nine, our leverage at the end of the quarter improved to 2.99 times net debt to EBITDA. This compares to 5.4 times at the 2024 and three 0.1 four times at the end of fiscal twenty twenty four. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:18:05While we are pleased with where we sit from a leverage perspective, we are also focused on continuing to delever the business through organic earnings and cash flow growth and continue to target long term net leverage between two and three times. At our current level, we already have ample balance sheet capacity to conduct accretive and strategic M and A. Now to our guidance on slide 10. We had a strong first half to the year despite continued supply chain issues throughout the aerospace industry and the ever changing tariff landscape. Irrespective of these issues, both of our segments continue to deliver on both top line growth and adjusted EBITDA margin expansion. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:18:50This is a reflection of our strong operating culture, our focused workforce, diversified portfolio and strong demand across our end markets. As Russ mentioned earlier, we are increasing our revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance ranges from our May earnings call. We now expect revenue in 2025 to be between $5,875,000,000 and $6,025,000,000 This increase in sales expectation is from our Engine Services segment and driven by the CF34 and turboprop business. This means we now expect sales to grow about 13.5 year over year at the midpoint of our guidance or about a 100 basis point increase versus our previous guidance. Adjusted EBITDA is now expected in the range of $790,000,000 and $810,000,000 This increase is primarily driven by our higher sales guidance and better than expected margins in both of our segments and is inclusive of our estimated net tariff impact of $10,000,000 to $15,000,000 In Engine Services, we now expect about 13.3% adjusted EBITDA margins or a 30 basis point increase from our previous guidance. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:20:03This is the result of better than expected performance in our core engine platforms outstripping the weight of our ramping LEAP and CFM56 programs. The Engine Services segment will see year on year margin expansion in 2025 inclusive of these currently margin dilutive growth programs. For the Component Repair Services segment, we now expect segment adjusted EBITDA margins of about 28.3%, a 130 basis point increase from our previous guidance and a two twenty basis point year on year expansion. Driving the increase in our expectations are the productivity gains in this segment along with the contribution from AeroTurbine. For the company as a whole, we now expect an adjusted EBITDA margin of around 13.4%, up from 13.3%. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:20:55Offsetting some of the segment level gains in the year are higher corporate expenses, primarily due to upgrades to key operational roles to implement supply chain centralization and working capital optimization as well as some additional public company related expenses and tariff related service fees. The increase to our full year 2025 guidance reflects continued strong demand in our core end markets. We had been expecting low double digit to mid teens growth in our commercial aerospace end market this year, but we now expect that to be at the top end of that range in the mid teens. We continue to estimate high single digit growth in the business aviation end market and in the military and helicopter end market. With that, I'll turn it back over to Russ to wrap things up. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:21:44Thank you, Dan. Now to summarize, Standard Aero has delivered a strong first half in 2025 as promised and we're not done yet. We continue to operate in a difficult supply chain environment and in uncertain macroeconomic times. However, we remain focused on the responsibility that our shareholders place on us. We continue to see a strong demand environment for our business and remain well positioned to take advantage of this by deploying capital in both a disciplined and strategic manner. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:22:16Additionally, we remain committed and on track to deliver high quality and predictable results this year and well into the future. That concludes our remarks for the second quarter. And with that operator, we're now ready to move to the Q and A session. Operator00:22:32Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question is coming from Seth Seedman from JPMorgan. Your line is now live. Seth SeifmanExecutive Director at JP Morgan00:23:08Hey, thanks very much and good afternoon. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:23:11Hey, Seth. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:23:12Hey, Seth. Seth SeifmanExecutive Director at JP Morgan00:23:13Hey. I wanted to start off just in thinking about the cadence of the year in Engine Services, you've kind of been thinking about revenues kind of growing sequentially through the year as there was incremental work on LEAP and CFM. Revenues were higher than I had expected in the second quarter. And then when I look at the rest of the year, it looks like the run rate kind of comes down from the second quarter level. Should we be thinking differently about that cadence now? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:23:43Not really. I mean, we've guided up on revenue on the strength of the ES segment and we called out in particular the CF34 program, Seth. That continues to be a strong driver of growth. The top four drivers of growth remain the same and the expectations there are in line with earlier expectations, in particular LEAP, really pleased to see LEAP triple their growth quarter over quarter. And Dallas Fort Worth is also coming online. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:24:16We feel good about the second half and the guidance that we've given you there. Seth SeifmanExecutive Director at JP Morgan00:24:20Okay. Okay. Great. And then maybe following up a similar topic, but just the margin dilution that resulted from the new programs. I don't know if there's a way kind of quantify what that was and maybe talk about how it evolves going forward? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:24:40Yes. So the company expanded margins 80 basis points in the quarter. That would have been significantly more excluding the ramp programs, which shows the underlying growth and margin accretion in our core programs. And I think you can kind of do the math there. It's lot of the several basis points of multiple basis points higher than the 80 basis points and all that's happening within ES. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:25:08So those if you look at the how those programs are developing in total, the losses on those programs, which we add back to adjusted EBITDA that are within cash flow are narrowing significantly. So it's really great to see that. So the same drivers of margin accretion on those programs are what we expected, higher revenue to absorb the industrialization costs as well as the learning curve. So you're going to see those programs cracking into profitability sometime late this year or early next year. And then, yes, that drag on margins is known and is exactly the way we're expected. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:25:52So it's great to see the 80 basis points including those strong revenue growth on zero margin platforms. Seth SeifmanExecutive Director at JP Morgan00:26:00Great. Thank you very much. Operator00:26:04Thank you. Next question today is coming from Doug Harned from Bernstein. Your line is now live. Douglas HarnedManaging Director at AB Bernstein00:26:09Good afternoon. Thank you. On the growth on particularly those three programs, the LEAP, CFM56 and CF34, how should we look at this? Because you're you've got a certain amount of capacity at DFW and in San Antonio that you're looking to fill. Is are you seeing the work come in at a faster rate than you had expected? Douglas HarnedManaging Director at AB Bernstein00:26:37And on CF34, how are you getting that growth there? Is that just faster throughput through the shops? Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:26:47Thanks, Doug, for the question. It depends on the program that you're talking about. So I'll try and walk through the different dynamics on some of the programs. If you start first of all with LEAP, recognizing that this is a brand new engine, not only for us, but for the world in general. We're very carefully expanding our throughput at San Antonio because at this stage of the program, we want to make sure that precision and process creation takes the front and center stage. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:27:21It's more important to get the processes rolled in correctly or precisely than it is for speed. The bookings are very robust. That's not the issue. But again, we're going be building these engines for the next forty years. We want to make sure that we get the processes tightly controlled as we start to ramp up. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:27:42CFM56 is a little bit different case because it's an engine that we know well. We've done more than 1,000 of these engines at our facility in Winnipeg. So as we continue to build the pipeline there, what we're doing is we do have a new facility here for CFN56, but we can transport a lot of the process knowledge by using some of our people in Winnipeg to accelerate the industrialization of CFN56, which is why we believe we're going to be able to see pretty strong throughput capacity on full heavy work scopes in the second half of the year on CFN56. And then CF34 is different situation because of the maturity of that program. If you look at the number of engines that were put into service for CF34, there was a surge of deliveries of those programs in the 2015 to 2019 timeframe. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:28:47So that means that ten years in between now and 2029, you're going to see a lot of those engines then coming due for their first major overhauls. And then as you move into the 2030 timeframe, the early 2030s, they'll be coming in for second, third overhauls because there really is no replacement engine or alternative for the CF34 and the applications in which it works. So we're kind of at the beginning of an increased flow of CF34 work over the next four to five years just based upon the age at which those engines were introduced into service. Douglas HarnedManaging Director at AB Bernstein00:29:29Okay. And then as a follow-up, you mentioned the engine exchange approach. Can you describe what you're trying to do with the engine exchange strategy? Does this involve keeping an inventory at all of engines or modules? How are you approaching this? Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:29:48Yes, great question. Thanks for asking. We're pretty excited about it. It's a and it really underlies our asset light structure. So no, we're not stocking up a ton of parts. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:30:00What really represents is a onetime investment for an exchange engine, which gets swapped out for a returned engine that falls in then to our MRO process. We overhaul that engine and we swap it again and swap it again and swap it again. So it's a pretty light asset light investment on an initial CFM56 engine that we then offer to customers. What we really like about the program is the natural synergies that we have within Standard Aero. So that exchange engine comes into our shops. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:30:34And because of our CRS component repair opportunities and capability, we're able to do that at low cost and at high tack time, high speed. So this engine exchange program can really accelerate as those engines pass through our system. So no, it's not a big investment. It is another menu item that makes our CFM56 capabilities that much more exciting for customers. And as this ball rolls, you're able to compound the investment and the exchange program engines, they will compound over time. Douglas HarnedManaging Director at AB Bernstein00:31:17Okay. Very good. Thank you. Operator00:31:19Thank you. Next question is coming from Myles Walton from Wolfe Research. Your line is now live. Myles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLC00:31:26Thanks. I just wanted to clarify on that last point if I could, Dan. Think that you're leasing and then subleasing and you're not actually owning those assets. Are you able to do the maintenance on those assets from a controlled perspective? Or are those owned assets and managed by someone else and you're just a party to the lease? Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:31:48Doug, thanks for the follow-up. No, we are buying this initial engine. This is a owned engine by Standard Arrow that we will then resell back to the customer in exchange for his or her exchange asset. We do have that the leasing option. That's one of the menu items that we provide. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:32:05We can connect customers with preferred lessors. But this engine exchange program are owned assets by Standard Arrow. Myles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLC00:32:15Okay. Should we expect that pool to be a drag on or an investment of cash flow into next year and the following years those CFM56 and the program No. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:32:24As a matter of fact, that's sorry, I didn't make that clear. It's a onetime investment and really single digit millions of dollars to get the ball rolling. And as it is as we move these engines through the system, we're able to get more and more of them, but it's not a significant drag on working capital. It will be for the first time, it's just a single engine and then the program kind of feeds itself, funds itself. So it's not tens of millions of dollars in a big investment and a big rollout. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:32:56It is a self funding engine exchange program that can gain over time. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:33:00Yes. Just to be clear, we're talking about top tier customers that bring us an engine that they may want to trade in because it has an event or a section of the engine that may be approaching an expiration on its maintenance limits. So many times these engines have been OEM maintained. They don't have PMA parts in them. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:33:23They're coming off of some type of power by the hour program. They have parts and materials in them that have aerospace grade traceability. But for various reasons, they don't want to spend the money on that engine to provide a full performance restoration to give it another 18,000 to 20,000 cycles. They may only need 4,000 or 5,000 cycles, so they can bring that engine to us. We will purchase another engine. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:33:54We will rebuild that engine to the specs that they need, swap it out for the engine that they bring us and then we can take that engine and we have options for that. We can rebuild it or we can reduce it to parts. So we are not building a pool of rotable engines. Myles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLC00:34:13Got it. Thanks for the clarification. I think that's crystal clear. And then Dan, on the cash flow, second half implied to be $250,000,000 of free cash flow. EBITDA looks about the same. Myles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLC00:34:23So obviously, it's all working capital taxes and CapEx. Can you sort of give us the walk on working capital in particular? I get the taxes. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:34:32In the second half? Myles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLC00:34:34Yes. To make the Yes. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:34:37We do see the unwinding of our working capital position in the second half. It really has to do with our cash conversion cycle. So first of all, the $108,000,000 build of working capital in the second quarter, half of that is funding LEAP, very happy to do that, get that program off the ground. And then the rest is these CF34 engines and others where we have huge backlog, huge demand. These engines are moving through our MRO process. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:35:06They wind up in contract assets. And what we expect to see in the second half is that the constrained parts come in and these engines will be shipped and liberated out of working capital. And these are pretty much known block of engines coming through some of our significant facilities that will unwind. So I'm pretty confident about the second half working capital. And then, of course, the we spent $66,000,000 of our $90,000,000 capital investments. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:35:39There's only a little bit more to go on the big platform expansion programs. So that will be a lower overall spend. Cash taxes will be somewhat lower in the second half. So we feel pretty good about the second half guidance. And by the way, it's I think it's $260,000,000 of implied second half cash flow. Myles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLC00:35:59I was rounding, but thanks. I appreciate it. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:36:05Thanks, Thank Operator00:36:07you. Our next question today is coming from Ken Herbert from RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now live. Ken HerbertManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:36:13Hey, you called out $500,000,000 as the backlog on the LEAP in terms of bookings. Can you specifically say what was that in the second quarter? And of these bookings, what's the timeframe we should expect that to sort of convert to revenues? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:36:37Thank you, Ken, for the question. The bookings in fact continue to be very strong for the second quarter. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:36:44In our last earnings call, for our first quarter, we said that the bookings were approaching $1,000,000,000 So we are now at about $1,500,000,000 subsequent to that call. And we're happy with the win rates that we're seeing. We're happy with the implied returns that we're seeing on these interim programs coming to it. We're happy to see the diversity of the customer base. We're not dependent on just one program or just one region. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:37:16So it's materializing as we expect. The range of those engine programs, some of them are they're Lightworkscope, C Tim types of events that we're going to be working on initially for the first couple of years. That will make up the bulk of the work. And then the heavier work scopes, you'll start seeing that two years down the road as we enter into some of the bigger longer term contracts. There will be some PRS fees that will flow through, but again, the bulk for the first two years are likely to be C TIM events as we move into then the longer contracted five and ten year kinds of periods for some of the airlines. Ken HerbertManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:38:03Great. Thanks, Dan. And I'm sorry, Russ. And as we look at the really strong CRS margins in the second quarter, was there anything unusual or sort of one time that impacted segment margins in the CRS business? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:38:19No, no. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:38:20We called out the contribution from ATI that continues to be a great investment for the company and having a good impact on the business. And the Land and Marine growth is quite accretive to the segment as well. The commercial narrow body engines that we grew on, which include the V2500, GTF, CF34, that's all great business. Nothing unusual in there, just a great mix in CRS. Yes. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:38:51Despite the ATI contribution, if you look at the underlying part of the business, it was a very healthy 25% organic growth that includes some of the in sourcing activities that we have going on to make a broader use of our growing repair catalog. So that's a continuing element. Ken HerbertManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:39:13Great. Thanks, Bryce. Operator00:39:17Thank you. Next question is coming from Sheila Kahlegel from Jefferies. Your line is now live. Sheila KahyaogluAerospace & Defense & Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group00:39:23Good afternoon, guys, and thank you so much. I want to maybe start off with a follow-up on Miles' and Doug's question about the CFM56 exchange program. Can you maybe talk about how many modules you have capacity for? How you think about the engine margin contribution of those versus your standard work? And do you do that on any other engine type? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:39:47So this is standard work. What we're doing is providing an exchange program for somebody who wants to turn on their engine to get an exchange for an engine with greater green time, right? And then that exchange engine comes into our so we sell it to them at a margin, good margins. And then we bring that engine into our shop and it's good old standard aero MRO. So we'll run that through the shop. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:40:13We'll deploy USM and you'll have normal expected margins on CFM56 as on the MRO side. What's different is that at a very low investment, I'm starting off with an exchange engine. That engine that comes into my shop, I overhaul and then I offer that to the next guy, to the next customer. And I sell that to him or her at good margins. And then their engine comes in and gets overhauled. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:40:41So there's nothing unusual about this and it just fits into the our normal capacity for engine exchanges and engine overhaul work in Dallas Fort Worth and Winnipeg. Sheila KahyaogluAerospace & Defense & Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group00:40:56Great. Alex TrappChief Strategy Officer at StandardAero00:40:56Sheila, this Alex. Alex TrappChief Strategy Officer at StandardAero00:41:01We do this on other engine programs at similar points in their product life cycle just to confirm the last part of your question. So we're And Sheila KahyaogluAerospace & Defense & Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group00:41:13maybe another question on the $120,000,000 investment that MTU announced in the lease facility in Dallas Fort Worth. How do you think about the $1,000,000,000 annual target for LEAP by 02/1930? And what your capacity is? And does MTU, I don't think it impacts you at all, but how do you think about them being added as a CBSA partner? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:41:34It's goodness actually because the market needs it. The amount of installed base there, the growing number of events, this is right in line with what CFM intended both GE and Safran as they develop this engine, right? Over time, they want to they said they want to double the amount of work that's going into the MRO network and then double it again. So that means you've got to have additional capacity and capability. So I think this is goodness for the industry. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:42:11It's a goodness for the airlines that there will be capacity to be able to respond, especially as the engine goes through its initial robustness growing pains over the first few years. Sheila KahyaogluAerospace & Defense & Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group00:42:26Great. Thank you. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:42:29Thanks, Sheila. Operator00:42:30Thank you. Next question is coming from Jordan Leonez from Bank of America. Your line is now live. Jordan LyonnaisEquity Research Associate at Bank of America00:42:37Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. On the M and A pipeline being full, could you guys give us any more color on what you're looking at right now, anything that's actionable? And if the engine exchange program that you'll set up opens aperture at all? Alex TrappChief Strategy Officer at StandardAero00:42:59Hi, Jordan. It's Alex. So the M and A pipeline is similar story, very robust pipeline. And we continue to look at things that make sense. We're kind of our goal is to be patient and disciplined in the way that we're deploying capital in general, and M and A is just one of those ways that we deploy capital. So very similar story as it's been the last couple of quarters, just close to the action, studying the market, in processes and just waiting for the right thing to go after. Jordan LyonnaisEquity Research Associate at Bank of America00:43:44Got it. Thank you. Operator00:43:47Thank you. Next question is coming from Krista Friesen from CIBC. Your line is now live. Krista FriesenDirector - Equity Research at CIBC Capital Markets00:43:52Hi, thank you. Maybe if I can just follow on that last question there. As you think about the organic growth opportunities versus M and A, are you prioritizing one over the other at this time? Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:44:07Yes, great question. Listen, we've got a lot of outstanding opportunities for capital allocation. And if you look at them, they're well defined by what we've done. So on the organic side, a lot of excitement and a lot of opportunity with the Dallas Fort Worth expansion. We consider that a great organic investment. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:44:25The Augusta facility that Russ mentioned earlier, really excited about that. We're going to be cutting the ribbon on that in August. That provides not only fantastic airframe work on the larger airframes, but also additional capacity for our engine shops on the HGF 7,000 program, for example, which is a wonderful program. And another organic investment that we talked about as part of our platform investments was that expanded relationship we have with General Electric that's showing up on our CF34 program, expanding the commercial agreements with them and it's really turning into a great margin enhancer. Another opportunity for capital allocation, of course, our new platforms. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:45:13The best example of that is the LEAP platform that has a 60,000,000,000 entitlement over the next thirty years. So platforms are also another type of investment sort of quasi organic. And then M and A, right? ATI has been a great acquisition, really contributing to growth and margin expansion at CRS, which we love to do. And all of this really they're all return based reviews. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:45:40All of these opportunities of which there are many are all return based. Look at the engine exchange program that we're putting in place that we're really excited about. Very little investment and a really great opportunity not only for our customers, but also improve margins and flow through our factories. So, we're really excited about deploying our strong free cash flow in our Asset Light business. We have lots of opportunities to do that. Krista FriesenDirector - Equity Research at CIBC Capital Markets00:46:07Okay, great. And if I can just follow-up on one of the earlier questions around the free cash flow. Is there anything that we should be mindful of just as we're thinking about the cadence of free cash flow through Q3 and Q4 this year? Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:46:23Yes. Also a great question. So clearly, as we discussed earlier today, we've got strong free cash flow, implied free cash flow of $260,000,000 in the second half. So two factors underlie that. There is some seasonality in our business. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:46:40So if you look at our quarterly results in prior periods, there's stronger cash flow in the back half of the year. What's happening this year again is this really outstanding demand we've seen in the first half on CF34, LEAP, CFM56, our turboprop suite of engines, strong demand. That requires working capital, right, to satisfy that demand. And we see these engines, a lot of them, an outsized piece of them really getting liberated from working capital and shipping in the second half, which is going to generate that really strong free cash flow that we're excited about. So, I'm quite confident in our free cash flow guidance for the second half. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:47:19And it is driven by that cash conversion cycle. Feed the machine with inventory, work in process, they become contract assets through our percentage of completion method of accounting, They accrue on the balance sheet. And as the engines are completed and tested and shipped, then they're released. By the way, collections have been great. We recently centralized our collections team and we're seeing really strong performance out of that. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:47:50So all of that is going to contribute to the good cash flow in the second half. Krista FriesenDirector - Equity Research at CIBC Capital Markets00:47:56Okay, great. Thanks for that. I'll pass the line. Operator00:48:00Thank you. Next question is coming from Christine Liwag from Morgan Stanley. Your line is now live. Kristine LiwagExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:48:05Hey, good evening, everyone. I want to follow-up on the engine exchange for the CFM56. I mean, no surprise, this is a topic of the conversation. The question I have is when you look at the duration in which customers would have to wait for their engines, does this exchange program lower the duration weight? Or what's the value add for the customer to do this? Kristine LiwagExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:48:30And the question is really stemming from you've got a competitor who built a CFM56 engine module where they do have a pool of inventoried assets ready to go with a shorter duration time. I'm just trying to understand how similar or different your approach is on the business because it seems like that kind of inventory pool model could get you 35% to 40% EBITDA margin. So trying to understand what your approach is, how similar or different it is to what they're doing. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:48:59Thanks, Christine. Look, there's a couple of advantages that you might get on CFM56 as with other engines platforms that we do this type of work on. The first, as you mentioned, is in fact, a lot of times you're talking about smaller work scopes, faster work scopes, the turn time should be increased. You have the ability to apply USM in many cases. So there could be a cost advantage as well as a timing advantage. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:49:30But the difference between us and for instance an EFTY is much broader than that. And we have the ability I also should say we have the ability to provide an engine solution that is more closely matched to what the customer actually needs in their particular operating environment, right? Because not everyone needs an engine for a full PRSV. They may be operating in an environment where they have other considerations that they need something less than that. So we can do it faster, we can match what they need and give them a more cost effective maintenance solution than just, hey, your only choice is a brand new engine. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:50:16Now relative to Eftahi, again, we offer a much broader suite of actions other than just swapping modules. Many times what you need to do is get down inside the module and do work module, which we have the ability and the authorizations to do. And then you also have for us, you have economies of scale, breadth of knowledge because we do this work on multiple engine platforms. And we also have the ability to work across different end customers, different market segments, different OEMs. We're not limited to just one engine from essentially one customer. Kristine LiwagExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:51:02That's super helpful. And then regarding the economics of this, Ross, I mean, this engine exchange program seems to be pretty interesting. What kind of margin could you earn on a program like this versus a regular restoration visit where a customer comes in the regular way without the exchange? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:51:18Yes. I mean the normal margins that we have on CFM56 work are also evident in this program. Of course, where we have the ability to deploy USM, right, that's an additive margin, where we're able to do more work in house with our CRS capabilities that accretes margin. These are all levers that we already have. The engine exchange program is really a great option for customers, who want an immediate engine in exchange for the one they're turning in. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:51:55The other thing that this should do is it should increase our access to a broader pool of USM. Kristine LiwagExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:52:05Sorry. And another follow-up on this. You guys mentioned that you don't expect to have a pool of inventory of this. So in order to have an engine ready for a customer, are you just planning to do like a one for one type Or will you have multiples of these CFM56s in various work scopes ready to go? I just want to understand and match that with the inventory comment you had mentioned. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:52:30Yes. So it's a onetime investment in mid single digit millions of dollars to get the program started. Then as that continues, the program becomes self funding. So it's we're not doing a big suite of pool of engine investments. Otherwise, my cash flow forecast would probably look different and it doesn't, right? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:52:51So no, it's modest investment to get the program rolling. And once it rolls, it generates additional margins that we can do it again and do it again and do it again. It's more of a one for one, Kristen. Kristine LiwagExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:53:07Great. Thank you. Operator00:53:08Thank you. Next question is coming from Gavin Parsons from UBS. Your line is now live. Thanks guys. Good evening. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:53:19Hey Gavin. Gavin ParsonsDirector - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at UBS Group00:53:21On the engine services margin in the second half, it's still ramping LEAP and CFM56, but guided supplies were stable from the second quarter. So are we at peak dilution there? Does that step up again next year? Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:53:35Yes. I mean, so the dilutive impact of course grows as the revenue on these grows. And you can see, yes, you're right, my implied margins in the second half on ES are 13.1 right? So right in line. So we and we expect to continue this ability to offset the dilutive margins on these great ramping programs with the activities that we've got on our core engine platforms. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:54:01And so it's quite indicative that the guidance is exactly what we expect it to do. The core business is offsetting the important investments of these ramp programs. There's a convergence of curves. So as the volume builds on the newer engines where the productivity and the efficiency is not as good, that has a dilutive effect. But as we come down the learning curve, then that will offset the volume and eventually these two lines will cross. Gavin ParsonsDirector - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at UBS Group00:54:32Okay, great. And then on ES repairs done internally, like you're still at 10%. What determines how quickly you can ramp up that mix? And where can you take that as a percent over time? Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:54:46Yes. I mean the in sourcing if that's what you're referring to that activity is strongly up versus the prior year almost 40%. And that's obviously great for a variety of reasons, right? We're growing CRS and we're getting the in house repairs done at our cost. So as we continue to do this, it's all good news for margins. Dan SatterfieldCFO at StandardAero00:55:11It's good news for turn times because we keep the work in house. We're typically able to do it faster than sending it out. And so we it's a margin accretive activity. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:55:23What drives this Gavin is two things. Number one, the repair development work that we continue to do, right? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:55:32We have an entire engineering staff that focuses on developing new repairs. And every time we add one of those repairs to our portfolio, that's work that is being done outside of our company that we can bring in and run through this repair cycle. And then the other thing that has essentially the same impact is the acquisitions that we've done growing the repair catalog for our CRS group. So both of those things are essentially having the same effect, which is to expand your catalog for authorized repairs. And as soon as that happens, then all of that work that we're having to take outside will come back to us in addition to the ability to sell those to the third parties or to the outside market to be able to have those additional repairs as well. Gavin ParsonsDirector - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at UBS Group00:56:24Got it. Thank you. Operator00:56:28Thank you. Next question is a follow-up from Myles Walton from Wolfe Research. Your line is now live. Myles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLC00:56:33Great. Thanks for the follow-up. Russ, on GE's investor update, they pointed to 30% of Leap Shop as it's being done externally by 02/1930. They had previously pointed to about 40%. Have you seen any change in customer behaviors or the ability of the MRO network to take on more of the load of the external stock visits? Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:56:57We've seen no change to the pipeline for RFPs or the interest from the airlines. The OEs, Safran, GE, they've got a limited amount of shop capacity to apply to MRO work. They're focused on new production of these engines and will be for a number of years. So they're unlikely to be expanding. What they need is they need the network to expand like us. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:57:30And so I think that that's all goodness. But what it does in effect is it's what we are seeing is the airlines are pushing harder to get longer term contracts put in place sooner than they might have on other engines in the past, because they know that that MRO capacity is going to get allocated and they want to make sure that they've got spots. So that's actually good for us. It's pushing the contracts towards us earlier and gives us more bargaining power. Myles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLC00:58:08Okay. Thanks again. Operator00:58:12Thank you. We reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over for any further or closing comments. Russell FordChairman, CEO & Director at StandardAero00:58:18Okay. Very good. Thanks everyone. We appreciate you joining us today for the earnings call. We also appreciate your continuing support for Standard Aero and we'll look forward to talking to everybody again soon. So with that, we'll end the call. Thank you. Operator00:58:34Thank you. That does conclude today's teleconference and webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesRama BondadaVP - IRRussell FordChairman, CEO & DirectorDan SatterfieldCFOAlex TrappChief Strategy OfficerAnalystsSeth SeifmanExecutive Director at JP MorganDouglas HarnedManaging Director at AB BernsteinMyles WaltonManaging Director at Wolfe Research LLCKen HerbertManaging Director at RBC Capital MarketsSheila KahyaogluAerospace & Defense & Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial GroupJordan LyonnaisEquity Research Associate at Bank of AmericaKrista FriesenDirector - Equity Research at CIBC Capital MarketsKristine LiwagExecutive Director at Morgan StanleyGavin ParsonsDirector - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at UBS GroupPowered by