Gorilla Technology Group H1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 14, 2025

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Revenue soared by 90% year-on-year to €39.3 million in H1 2025, demonstrating strong demand and execution of large, complex AI-driven security and intelligence projects across multiple geographies.
  • Positive Sentiment: The company improved its financial position by reducing debt to $18.1 million, maintaining $26.1 million in cash, and raising an additional $105 million in July to fuel long-term growth initiatives.
  • Positive Sentiment: Gorilla Technology signed three strategic projects in the last 30 days—two new customers in Taiwan and a major UK extension—strengthening its recurring revenue base in key markets.
  • Positive Sentiment: Management reaffirmed full-year guidance of $100 million–$110 million in revenue, over 20% EBITDA margins, and positive operating cash flow, supported by a €59 million backlog and multi-year contract model.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Gross margins dipped into the low 30s in H1 due to hardware mix but are forecasted to stabilize around 40% for the full year as higher-margin services and software deliveries increase.
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Earnings Conference Call
Gorilla Technology Group H1 2025
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There are 6 speakers on the call.

Operator

Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Gorilla Technology Group Inc. Earnings Call for the 2025. Gorilla Technology Group is listed on NASDAQ under the ticker GRRR.

Operator

As a reminder, all participants are in a listen only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Before we begin, we will read the forward looking statements. Today's call includes forward looking statements made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements reflect management's current expectations and projections about future events and are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially.

Operator

Forward looking statements often include terms such as expects, believes, plans, anticipates, may, should and similar expressions. For a discussion of important factors that could affect Gorilla's results, please refer to our filings with the SEC, including our SEC report on Form 20 F. Except as required by law, Gorilla undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements made on this call, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jay Chandan, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Bruce Bauer, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much. For everyone who's dialed in, thank you very much for your support and attention. Gorilla Technology has entered the 2025 with more momentum and firepower and more market reach than any other time in our history. Our first half delivered about €39,300,000 in revenue, which is 90 plus percent year on year increase. But at the same time, we did so by executing on very large complex projects in multiple geographies.

Speaker 1

This proves that our AI driven security, intelligence, infrastructure solutions are in demand at the highest scale and that we can deliver them consistently at scale. Now financially, we've also strengthened our position on every front. We have a rock solid CFO, who's reduced debt to $18,100,000 improved our liquidity with about $26,100,000 of cash and then further added another $105,000,000 to our key in July through an equity raise to accelerate growth. Now these are just numbers on a page. These are what we call this is fuel for securing and delivering long term high value projects, which will define the future of Covellus.

Speaker 1

Operationally, we've also signed three new projects over the last thirty days. I promised I was going to be announcing a lot more in the coming days in my previous call. And we will be making very many announcements shortly as well. Two projects were in Taiwan, one in The UK. The one in The UK was a significant extension of the existing UK customer we have.

Speaker 1

But the two new projects in Taiwan were new customers. These were strategic portals for us, not one off wins alone. What it also does is helps us strengthen our long term recurring revenue base with new customers so that we can increase and expand further into these markets. Now profitability remains a core discipline for Gorilla. On a normalized basis, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted net income both came at about €5,700,000 demonstrating we're not just chasing top line growth.

Speaker 1

Now we are building a profitable sustainable business. Our model now is structurally much stronger compared to where we were last year same time, shifting from a very seasonal milestone heavy cycle to multiyear contracts that will deliver steady revenue alongside what we call milestone upsides going forward. We are no longer just a business of supplying technology with delivering national scale AI cybersecurity, data intelligence platforms that change how governments and enterprises operate. But more importantly, with the platform partnerships and global delivery capability, we have now in place or which we have created and put in place, Gorilla is built to scale and we're built to win and we're built to lead. I will pass it over to Bruce.

Speaker 1

Bruce?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jay, for the kind words and thank you also for the overview. Jay gave you the headline financial numbers. What I wanted to do is to dive into a few items and really highlight certain things. So the first is as Jay mentioned, the first half revenue surged to $39,300,000 That is obviously a great start, up 90% year over year. One of the things you might notice is that the gross margin is in the low 30s.

Speaker 2

This is skewed lower compared to last year because of the mix. Last year was just essentially service revenue which was higher is higher margin. Nonetheless, we still maintain our full year forecast for gross margins in the 40% range and that's given basically the mix that we see in the second half of the year. A couple of other things is you noticed that there are two one off adjustments or losses that show up and I wanted to explain those. So the first is a financing related loss.

Speaker 2

This is primarily due to the exercise of warrants by warrant holders in the first half of the year. This is basically a pure accounting item. There's no cash impact, and that's essentially the loss or the difference between the exercise price of the warrants, which was $5.6 a share and the prevailing market price, which was higher. So we just we have to book that for accounting purposes as a loss. So there's no cash impact.

Speaker 2

There's no impact on the business at all. Actually, we were collecting cash from the warrant exercise. There's also FX related losses. So as we note, this is due to the this is the lagged impact of the devaluation from the addition pound in 2024. So what happens is there is certain work that was performed that went into the contract assets or the unbilled revenue and then this revaluation carried through to now when we recognize it.

Speaker 2

I would note that the addition pound has strengthened substantially in the last few weeks, so from over 50 to almost 48. So we would expect this effect to be a little bit muted or even turn around in the future. Moving on to the balance sheet items. So we ended the first half with $26,100,000 in cash and subsequent to the close we mentioned as we mentioned we did an equity offering of $105,000,000 of gross proceeds. So where that leaves us at the moment is we have about $114,000,000 of unrestricted cash and we have $11,300,000 of restricted cash.

Speaker 2

You'll notice that the restricted cash figure now is much lower than at the end of the first half. So it was about $16,000,000 at the end of the first half. That is because we had a bid bond or a guarantee that was released. So that returned about $4,900,000 And then going forward, we also expect to see this the restricted assets drop even further. This is, first of all, due to the release of a customer guarantee to the tune of 2,000,000 to $3,000,000 in upcoming weeks.

Speaker 2

And also, we continue our debt paydown strategy. And so we should be able to net about $1,000,000 from paying down a loan facility and getting restricted assets released from that. So where we are at the moment with the debt position is it's $18,100,000 at the end of the first half. We're happy because this is down from $21,400,000 at the end of twenty twenty four. And we just continue to selectively pay down debt where we can release deposits that are tied to the debt.

Speaker 2

So just to recap for those who may not know this. So we have a working capital facility. It is secured by two things. The first is a property that we own in Taipei. And then additional to the value of the property, we were forced to pledge some restricted deposits.

Speaker 2

So here's a bank account, here's a deposit, it's locked up and that is the collateral. As we pay down the debt, then we release the collateral, usually on a one to one basis, pay down the dollar of debt, release the dollar of collateral. So it remains cash neutral for the company, and that's why we pay it down. Overall, we don't want to pay off all of that because it's at 3% in dollars. So it's quite cheap, it gives us financial flexibility.

Speaker 2

A couple of other things to note. The first is that the after the equity offering that we did, the shares outstanding right now are $22,900,000 This is basically because we sold treasury shares and issued about 1,000,000 shares in addition to that. 1 of the advantages to the equity offering, the way we structured it is that we have $3,470,000 prefunded warrants and this is where we have collected almost all of the cash, but we have not issued the shares yet. And those shares will only be issued when the pre funded warrant holder wants them to be issued. So the share count should stay at 22.9 until that part starts to change.

Speaker 2

In terms of the outlook, so the first thing is I want to confirm that the backlog for this year when we came in to the year it was 93,000,000 And of course, we've delivered $39,000,000 of revenue. So that is taken out of the backlog. We've added 4,000,000 or $5,000,000 to the backlog. So the backlog remains around 59,000,000 for from now until the end of the year. So we are still confident in our guidance for this year of 100,000,000 to $110,000,000 revenue for the total year and then targeting EBITDA margins of 20% plus and also targeting operating cash flow positive with the current contracts and the current structure.

Speaker 2

So that leaves us on track for full year numbers. You can see from the way that we've spoken to you in the past and we will continue to speak to you. We don't stick our finger in the air and make guidance that way. We build it from our backlog, which is confirmed orders, signed contracts that we are either working on or about to implement. We don't sort of look at our pipeline and take a guess.

Speaker 2

So for the next year, we can confirm that we have a backlog of $70,000,000 Once we firm up that backlog, then we will get to the market with a more formal guidance. So stay tuned on that front. And then as Jay mentioned, we have several near term opportunities which we anticipate making some announcements about in the coming couple of months. So hopefully that will give you a better idea of the backlog for 2026 and also what the guidance is. One of the things we've talked about in the past and I want to talk about again today is the funding strategy for future projects.

Speaker 2

When we do announce those future projects what are we doing? The first step is obviously to look for project level funding where there is another entity that is friendly to Gorilla or that is an SPV or otherwise, it's a customer that's funding a project, we look for that as a first step. The second thing is we look for debt. And then third is equity. As you note, we raised equity.

Speaker 2

So the sequencing was important there. We saw basically a need for equity to do two things. The first is to have that ready so that we could say to the customers, yes, we're ready to go. We have cash right here, right now, we're ready to start. The second thing is that the availability and the terms that you get for debt improve.

Speaker 2

So we are now in the market for debt. We have engaged the bank and we're looking for debt right now. So in the future, I anticipate that we'll be making more announcements about how we fund projects and it will be with an emphasis on project level funding and on debt. With that conclude, Jane, unless you have anything else, can move on to Q and A.

Speaker 1

Absolutely. Let's move on to Q and A.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question today comes from Mike Latimore with Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

All right, great. Good morning. Congrats on the strong growth this year so far.

Speaker 1

You, Mike.

Speaker 3

Jay, maybe can you just highlight or summarize which customers or projects or regions were the main revenue drivers in the first half of the year and which do you expect to be kind of key to the second half of the year?

Speaker 1

Absolutely. So the first half of the year, Mike, we've very actively worked on projects in The Middle East and in Taiwan. The second half of the year, it will be a majority of a lot of the revenue will be coming in from Taiwan, Thailand and Middle East. And for 2026, the mix is almost an even spread between The U.

Speaker 4

S.

Speaker 1

Southeast Asia.

Speaker 3

Great, great. So getting nice and diverse sources it sounds like.

Speaker 1

Yes. And as we promised a couple of years ago, sorry, I apologize. We promised a couple of years ago to derisk our business, not just in terms of territories and geographies, but also in terms of business segments. So that's where we are today. Just that we have managed to kind of derisk it.

Speaker 3

And then on maybe just touching on two projects you've highlighted in the past. One Amazon, can you detail a little bit about when that's going to roll out? How are going to roll it out in terms of the number of sensors and when? And just a little more clarity on that would be great.

Speaker 1

Absolutely. This is going to be slightly long. Two horses there. Now what has been progressing very strongly, okay? In fact, it's been a really good success story for us, even pre implementation.

Speaker 1

Now the milestones we have, one will be the official showcase at the New York Climate Week in September 2025. And that's where the world leaders are gathering and they'll be talking about the One Amazon project. The second one will be the tokenization completion and launch at COP30. That will be November 2025 alongside the official release of the One Amazon tokens as well. The technology side, we've already we've got our teams in Taiwan and in India working on all the sensor technology, whether it's field deployment, environmental monitoring, IoT devices, configuring them through forest health, biodiversity tracking and anti foresting anti deforesting alerts.

Speaker 1

We've also now actively engaged on our POCs on the satellite mapping. So multilayer imaging, creating AI based land use mapping operation, enabling real time monitoring and verification. The Internet of Forest, which is the third part of our technology solution, is providing the connectivity, the edge AI, the cloud analytics to capture and process environmental data at scale. We've already started working very closely with university to to democratize some of the data. I was in India until yesterday, just got back this morning.

Speaker 1

We are now signing up with a very large university, one of the top tier universities in the country so that we can build the innovation lab and absolutely make sure that we are able to help build large language and small language models in the region. And then finally, we've also started on the cost per hectare analysis. The model is fully operational, where basically what we're doing is we're working to optimize the resource allocation and the project ROI. On the blockchain and tokenization, we're currently working on the platform, building the platform which is built and play in partnership with the leading blockchain infrastructure providers. We're also working on carbon credits and environmental asset tracking, which is directly linked to the on the ground data from the sensors as well.

Speaker 1

So what we have done now is we have deployed some of the sensors not only just in the Amazon and Red Forest, but in other regions just to do a compare and contrast. The one good news I can add to that is that we have officially now signed the land use agreement. So we have a little over 130,000 hectares signed by the state of Mato Corozo and they'll be the one of the I think the governor of Mato Corozo will actually be launching it at the New York Climate Week as well. This allows us to now go to the other territories where we've in active conversation to close the under negotiation, secure footprint for the large scale conservation and restoration. Now our role, Mike, is very clear.

Speaker 1

We are the exclusive technology backbone for data capture and that takes all of the connectivity, futility and the system integration. But more importantly, we want to make sure that One Amazon is immeasurable, verifiable and a commercially viable climate tech initiative. I hope that answers your question.

Speaker 3

Yes. Excellent. Thank you. And I guess just last one for me. The Smart School program in Thailand, maybe can you provide a sort of quick update there?

Speaker 3

And once that starts getting deployed, what kind of revenue might you be able to see in the first year?

Speaker 1

Sure. Mike, we are currently in very, very deep negotiations with the government. The project, as I mentioned previously, has already expanded in scope. It's not just the smart education, there is a smart cloud infrastructure as well as there is the database integration project, the AI database integration project as well at the same time. We are in active discussion in both in terms of scoping with the customer and agreeing on some of the contractual terms as well.

Speaker 1

So I want to be a little careful so that I don't comment on any specific details such as the commercial model, delivery schedule and so on. But the size and scope of the project has only expanded, not reduced. When there's a formal contract and a public announcement, we will definitely share the details over the course of the next few weeks.

Operator

The next question comes from Brian Kinstilger with Alliance Global Partners. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, thanks. This is Kevin for Brian.

Speaker 1

Hi, Brian.

Speaker 4

Could you provide an update or a little bit more of an update on any of the large MOUs that you've discussed and the progress of signing contracts? And while you've had a few MOUs, is there one that you think is closest to getting signed? And if so, which one?

Speaker 1

Sure. I mean, Brian, the Wanhai Port in Taiwan and the ADs were both on the MOU phase. We closed them already. As you know, Wanhai, we'll be deploying our AI port logistics safety and operational efficiencies on the port over the next few months. On the ADE, that's a far more complex project.

Speaker 1

That will integrate our AI based analytics to track and disrupt financial crime networks. It's the first of its kind, which we're building, especially for the blockchain platform. The remaining contracts we are working on currently are in the final stages and we will announce once they're signed. We are on plan. And just to be blunt, closing multimillion, multiyear AI infrastructure contracts with government especially is not a same day exercise.

Speaker 1

So the MOUs which we talked about, we are at a very mature phase. I can give you an example. We talked about the project in Thailand previously, the one with the Thai police. That project, we have actually deployed and completed the proof of concepts already. The customer is extremely happy with our results.

Speaker 1

And if anybody outside of the market today took some time to look, they would see actually our solutions running live in multiple locations, including Battaya, Shanghai, Ayutthaya, Lopuri and so on and so forth. So the opportunity remains and we are currently engaged once we converted these proof of concepts into contracts, these will turn into what we call broader national programs as well. And more importantly, we are still sticking to our commitment that this will turn out to be a 50,000,000 to $60,000,000 project. I hope that answers your question.

Speaker 2

If I could add a couple of points as well. Kevin, just to add two more things. So the first is that not all projects that Guril undertakes have the same life cycle. So some it goes through a very lengthy procedure of we discuss the initial terms, we sign an MOU, we go through a proof of concept that sometimes can take months to refine and execute properly and then we expand that into a formal contract. So like the system that Jay was describing.

Speaker 2

Some of them however, it skips over some of those steps and it just you start talking about an idea that goes straight into the contracting phase. Some of the opportunities that we alluded to earlier in the call are like that. So there is no MOU. We skipped over that phase and we're just talking about final signed contracts at the end of the day. The other thing I would note is that the time lines.

Speaker 2

One of the reasons we're so cautious about how we forecast revenue, why I'm always talking about backlog instead of sort of our finger in the air forecast is because the timelines can shift, something that is a proof of concept can take longer, maybe it gets reworked. And like Jay mentioned, in a couple of projects, the scope has actually expanded. So we're happy to have the project take a little bit longer in exchange for a larger scope. But that just makes it very difficult to forecast properly, and that's why we on the side of being conservative. What I where I'm going with this is when we do MOUs, it's the start of a relationship.

Speaker 2

It's a relationship that takes time to cultivate and then to flourish as business. And we don't try to force it. We try to let it take its own time and focus on the business relationship. And then if it takes a little bit longer, we want to make sure that the market is not getting overly excited overly early. Instead, we message the market when it's mature.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks. And then could you talk a little bit more about the primary uses of the capital raise? Will there be any significant increases in expenses that can help drive top line growth or near term M and A opportunities? Or is it just to kind of have a solid cash balance that makes winning new contracts easier given your financial positioning?

Speaker 1

And I can take that if you want, Chris. We raised about $105,000,000 Brian, because we were moving forward on some very large projects. We want to make sure that we can hit our ambitious targets without and without the right capital. We're just not being realistic. I mean, I'll give you an example, government process to put in a bond, a big bond, a cash based big bond for a very large project, which was that alone was like $20,000,000 So we don't want to get hamstrung, that's one.

Speaker 1

Secondly, we're not raising money for the sake of raising it. Every dollar we raise right now to date is tied to a very clear high return opportunity. And whilst equity was the right move at the time, we always want to make sure that we are looking at debt and other strategic funding structures as well so that we can minimize dilution while maximizing growth. Now in terms of our growth, today we are very actively engaged in our M and A as you know with CNS and CAN. That said, we are also actively engaged or looking at opportunities in India.

Speaker 1

Currently, where we are looking at about a 500 actually, we're between seven fifty to 2,000 people centers to help grow very quickly. And we're also actively potentially pursuing an acquisition in The United States as well. Apart from that, all the projects which we're working on are pretty strategic. We have a whole mix of new R and D products that are coming in. So we will be investing some of the investments into our SD WAN, which is our Intelligent Network Director product.

Speaker 1

We're working very closely with NVIDIA. We're building quite a number of we're co engineering a number of these solutions and for the One Amazon as well. And so you will see quite a few developments over the next few months.

Speaker 4

Great. Thank you both.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from John Roy with Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Great. First of all, on a great first half. Wanted to ask about gross margins. Obviously, they tend to be going up and down. Bruce, maybe give us some color on when that might stabilize in the future or is that unlikely?

Speaker 2

Well, first of all, the gross margins, as I mentioned, in the first half of last year and the first half of this year is influenced really by the mix the revenue mix. So last year, we had a couple of large projects in Taiwan and The Middle East, which were really primarily service and software, so higher margin, Whereas in the first half of this year, there were significantly more hardware deliveries in that mix, which as part of filling one contract, which took the margins down. I would say that for the year, we expect the margins to move up towards the target that we announced given the mix. As Jay was talking about with some of the contracts that we have announced and are working on, so in The Middle East, in Taiwan and Thailand etcetera other places we expect that mix to bring it to 40% gross margin for the year. And then looking forward we expect given the current contract mix we expect a similar margin profile in the future for the full year.

Speaker 2

Given that these are governments, the timing can kind of shift around. The timing of the recognition of revenue for hardware or for services can move around. So any one quarter might be volatile. But over the full year, they should be stabilized and hopefully over the next few years drifting up. Does that help?

Speaker 5

That definitely helps.

Speaker 1

Sorry, go on please.

Speaker 5

No, go ahead Jay.

Speaker 1

No, sorry. Just to add to that, I think Bruce made a very valid point, right. We've already moved from a very lumpy milestone driven revenue model to a more predictable model. If you look at the last two quarters and the next two quarters, it will be more predictable. But more importantly, what we are trying to do is we're trying to move away from these lumpy projects itself to long term multi year sustainable revenues, which means we're signing multi year projects.

Speaker 1

Now what will happen over a period of time, where we're stating our ship right now, we will see the effect of that towards the latter half of this year or latter quarter of this year and the first two quarters next year. Whilst there will be some revenue spikes and some of the spikes in gross margins and so, over a period of time, what you need to look at is the yearly number at the end of the day. The yearly number will be much more managed, less volatile and we will have more visibility with a much, much, much more stronger baseline for growth. And we'll be capturing all the upside from all these wins as well at the same time. So just to give you an example, the projects we're talking about in Southeast Asia, Thailand, we've got the projects in Singapore, the projects in Jakarta, Malaysia and in Taiwan.

Speaker 1

These are all three, five, eight year contracts. And these are not just maintenance contracts, these are proper long term multi year recurring contracts that will allow us to and those will be more stable as opposed to lumpy as well. Just wanted to add that there.

Speaker 3

That's really helpful. And one quick question on your U. S. Efforts.

Speaker 5

I know you were talking about possible acquisition. Are you

Speaker 3

still working with Aecom significantly in The U. S?

Speaker 1

Yes, yes, we are. I mean, for us, it's Aecom, Cisco, One Amazon, of course, which is now moving its tokenization strategy to The United States, just FYI, would be amazing. But more importantly, we will also be working very closely with the likes of HPE, whom we signed a global OEM relationship with and with NVIDIA in the near future as well.

Speaker 5

Great. Thanks so much. And again, congratulations.

Speaker 1

Thank you, John.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over for any closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much. There are some questions which you probably need answering, but I'm happy to respond to people who are sending us messages at any given point of time. What I wanted to let people know is that our business is moving forward in what we call as real world implementation. We are managing country risk, sovereign risk, procurement risk, implementation risk and making sure that we can get paid on time and can deliver on time. That is actually something I think most of you have seen today that our customers are paying us.

Speaker 1

And not just holding their money back. Our largest customer has already paid us this quarter as you've seen from the press release this morning. But what we are making sure also is that we reduce our overall accounts receivable and make sure that we are able to run a global complex global organization. For a company of our size, it is very unique that we are positioned in so many different countries. But at the same time, we also want to make sure that our cash conversion stays on the money, no pun intended.

Speaker 1

Ensuring payments flowing in line with the project milestones is very essential for us for maintaining liquidity and funding expansion. What we are doing is that we are having a multi sourcing, multi localization procurement program. But at the same time, we're making sure that strict payment protection and contractual safeguards are also put in place. I mean, guys, we're dealing with government. It always lets so we want to make sure that before we make any major capital outlays, we ensure that we are protected and ensure our cash flow.

Speaker 1

But the reality is, we all know that sometimes executions can slip. We also know that the design of our contracts and some of the operational plans to take those risks off the table before they become a problem. But what we are doing is we're still delivering growth in a very volatile global market today. And I would really appreciate all your patience and I'm really thankful for everyone being very supportive of Correta. Thank you very much indeed.

Operator

This brings to a close today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.

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