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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Talphera EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.10Consensus EPS -$0.12Beat/MissBeat by +$0.02One Year Ago EPSN/ATalphera Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ATalphera Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2025Date8/14/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, August 14, 2025Conference Call Time4:30PM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Talphera Q2 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 14, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: Strong acceleration of enrollment in the Nephro CRRT study after protocol redesign and site refocusing has more than doubled patient enrollments since May, keeping the company on track to complete the 70-patient trial by year-end. Positive Sentiment: Advancing discussions for a compassionate use IDE to supply nafamostat to patients with contraindications to heparin or citrate, generating additional safety data and addressing a critical unmet need. Positive Sentiment: Reduced full-year 2025 cash operating expense guidance to $16–17 million and reported Q2 cash spend of $3.7 million (down from $4.3 million), with $6.8 million in cash plus committed financings to fund trial completion. Positive Sentiment: Nafamostat benefits from over 30 years of clinical use abroad and an FDA Breakthrough Designation, establishing a clear regulatory path to become the first approved regional anticoagulant for CRRT. Negative Sentiment: Two remaining financing tranches are contingent on reaching patient-enrollment thresholds and a $0.73 share price, posing potential funding risk if those milestones or market conditions are not met. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallTalphera Q2 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xThere are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to the Telfaira Second Quarter twenty twenty five Financial Results Conference Call. This call is being webcast live via the Events page of the Investors section of Telfaira's website at www.talfera.com. You may listen to a replay of this webcast by going to the Investors section of Telfaira's website. I would now like to turn the call over to Raffi Azadorian, Talfera's Chief Financial Officer. Speaker 100:00:28Thanks, Andrew, and thank you for joining us on the call today. Today, we announced our second quarter twenty twenty five financial results and associated business updates in a press release. With me today are Vince Angotti, our Chief Executive Officer and Doctor. Shaquille Azlam, Telfaira's Chief Medical Officer. Before we begin, I want to remind listeners that during this call, we will likely make forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Speaker 100:00:57These forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties regarding the operations and future results of TALFERO. Please refer to our press release in addition to the company's periodic, current, and annual reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission for a discussion of the risks associated with such forward looking statements. These documents can be found on our website within the Investors section. I'll now hand the call to Vince. Speaker 200:01:27Thanks, Raffi. Good afternoon and thank you to everyone joining our call today. We're excited about the progress made this past quarter, specifically in the acceleration of the Nephros study enrollment. At the end of last year, upon the announcement of Doctor. Shaquille Aslam becoming the Chief Medical Officer of TALFERO, we embarked on a restructuring of the nephro clinical study, which included changing the target profile of our clinical sites, approaching the FDA with various study protocol changes, including reduction of the study size from 166 to 70 patients and adjusting internal processes to ensure acceleration of study enrollment with the goal of completing the study by the 2025. Speaker 200:02:15I'm very pleased to inform you that we now have evidence that all of these changes were indeed the appropriate adjustments, and we're confident that we're on the right path to achieve our goals. We have seen a strong acceleration of the enrollment rate over the last six weeks from the first three sites with our new target profile. This target profile includes nephrologist principal investigator and the institution screening patients at medical ICUs. As a result, the number of total enrolled patients has more than doubled since May. These sites, combined with six additional new target profile sites that are expected to begin enrolling over the rest of this quarter, should keep us on plan to complete the study by the end of this year. Speaker 200:03:09Doctor. Azim and I have recently returned from a visit with many of the new study teams at their respective locations. In addition to observing their study engagement, I'm also highly encouraged by the eagerness of these institutions that have Nefamostat available if approved. In their words, Nefamostat, based on its profile and use in other countries, will be a preferred anticoagulant for CRRT. While we still need to complete the study, this feedback from these investigators continues to strengthen my belief that Nefamistat, if approved, will become a primary product in the market for CRRT anticoagulation. Speaker 200:03:55The addition of more of the right clinical study sites and principal investigators has been critical to achieving the increased enrollment rates. As a reminder, the new site profile concentrates specifically on one, the type of intensive care unit where the study will be performed, for example, medical ICUs instead of surgical or cardiothoracic ICUs where many of the legacy sites were focused. Two, the specialty of the principal investigator, specifically a nephrologist as a primary lead for selecting patients to enroll compared to an intensivist or other specialist, which were the specialties of the legacy site PIs. And three, the efficiency of the administration to initiate a new study at their institution. Doctor. Speaker 200:04:49Aslam identified these characteristics after his review and learnings from assessing the initial sites as critical to successful and timely enrollment. In addition to the acceleration in enrollment at existing new profile sites and the institutional interest in joining the study as we add new sites, we believe there are other tailwinds supporting the market potential of nafamostat. These include one, advancing a compassionate use IDE. As stated on our last call, we have been approached by multiple institutions and are discussing using nafamostat under a compassionate use IDE for a specific patient population that does not do well with other available anticoagulants for CRRT. And two, continued shortages of citrate and potential supply chain issues with heparin. Speaker 200:05:42Healthcare providers are inquiring about the timely availability of Nafamostat, given the recurrent heparin and citrate shortages. Now before I turn the call over to Doctor. Aslam to provide some additional details, let me remind you that if approved, NIAID would become the only FDA approved regional anticoagulant for use during continuous renal replacement therapy. This is important in that there are many disadvantages to the currently used products, heparin, which is systemic in nature, and citrate, which is being used off label. I'll now hand the call over to Doctor. Speaker 200:06:23Aslam. Speaker 300:06:26Thank you, Vince, and good afternoon to all. The acceleration in enrollment rate is exciting, and the new site engagement has been excellent as we shift away from the legacy sites to the new target profile sites previously described. We now have a total of seven sites that are actively screening. We have four legacy or old profile sites and three new target profile sites. These new sites have enrolled over ninety percent of the 15 patients to date. Speaker 300:06:57Importantly, the enrollment rate from these three new sites has been impressive and has validated our strategy of changing the target site profile. These sites have enrolled nine patients over the last six weeks, which was in line with our enrollment forecast. We terminated one legacy site because of its low screening numbers and failure to enroll any subjects. We expect to add six new sites over the course of the third quarter, all with the new profile. As a matter of fact, a couple of them were recently activated and will begin enrolling shortly. Speaker 300:07:37This gives me confidence that the relaunch of the NAFLDO study with significant protocol changes and a pivot to the sites with a different profile has been successful. We expect the study enrollment rate to accelerate further with the addition of the six new sites with a similar profile over the current quarter. As these are large academic institutions with CRRT volumes higher than the legacy sites. As we mentioned on our last call, we continue to advance our compassionate use IDE with a large institution. Physicians at this institution see an immediate and compelling need for a subset of patients with contraindications to currently available anticoagulants and need an alternative. Speaker 300:08:27We are in the process of submitting a compassionate use ID to the FDA. This is an opportunity to provide an alternative to these patients who cannot receive the currently available anticoagulants. And as a result, clot their CRRT circuits frequently. We do not have a timeline finalized, but we wanted to share this information as this was not the first such request we have had. It is evident that the current anticoagulants for CRRT are not ideal products. Speaker 300:08:58And there is no FDA approved additional anticoagulant on the market. We will provide more information on the progress of this compassionate use IDE submission. And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Vince. Speaker 200:09:14Thank you, Doctor. Aslam. Before I hand the call over to Raffi, I want to reiterate our belief that the three critical risk elements, clinical, regulatory, and commercial for the nafamostat program are low for a number of reasons. First, with over thirty years of use as an anticoagulant during CRRT in Japan and South Korea, we know Nafamostat's track record of efficacy and safety, minimizing the clinical risk. The trial design has been agreed with the FDA, including broader inclusion criteria and a reduced number of patients, all of which help minimize study execution risk. Speaker 200:09:57Second, we have a clear regulatory path, including breakthrough designation from the FDA, which has provided us with efficient access to the agency, leading to quick review and response times. Lastly, while we know there is always commercial risk, we believe this is mitigated given the disadvantages of the products currently being used for anticoagulation of the CRRT circuit, namely heparin and citrate. As you heard from Doctor. Asim, there's a clear need for an FDA approved regional anticoagulant. I'll now hand the call over to Raffi for a financial update. Speaker 100:10:38Thank you, Vince. We continue to focus on our efficiency, while accelerating the enrollment in our clinical study. Accordingly, we are reducing the previously communicated 2025 expected cash operating expense guidance to now be in the range of $16,000,000 to $17,000,000 which includes the estimated expenses related to executing and targeting completion of the nephro CRRT registrational trial by the end of the year. This is a reduction from the $17,000,000 to $19,000,000 range provided last quarter. Our cash operating expenses, or combined R and D and SG and A expenses, for the 2025 totaled $3,700,000 compared to $4,300,000 for the 2024. Speaker 100:11:32Excluding noncash stock based compensation expense, these amounts were $3,500,000 for the 2025, compared to $4,000,000 for the 2024. The decrease in cash operating expenses in the 2025 was primarily due to reductions in personnel expense and other general and administrative expenses. Our cash balance at 06/30/2025 was $6,800,000 including the proceeds from the first tranche of financing that closed on April 2. As a reminder, the financing was structured in three equal tranches, with the first tranche received at the initial closing and the two additional tranches committed upon achieving an enrollment of 17 patients and 35 patients, and with the stock trading above $0.73 per share following the announcement of each milestone. Expected proceeds from the closing of the two additional tranches, combined with the $6,800,000 in cash at 06/30/2025, should support the company through the completion of the study anticipated by the end of the year. Speaker 100:12:50I'll now turn the call back to Vince. Speaker 200:12:54Thank you, Raffi. And I'd like to open the line for any questions you might have. Operator? Operator00:13:01Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Your Your first question is from Ed Arce from Westpark Capital. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:13:40Hi guys. Hope all is well and congrats on the progress with NEFRO enrollment, as well as the expense run rate. One major question and perhaps a follow-up, just trying to get a better sense for, given all the detail that you've provided now on the acceleration with these new profile sites. I just wanted to get a better sense for the acceleration that you expect to get to the 70 enrollment target by year end, given that the last six weeks saw nine patients enrolled. Maybe just talk through the kind of arc that you're expecting through the remainder of the third quarter and into the fourth quarter? Speaker 400:14:32Thanks. Speaker 200:14:35Ed, this is Vince. And congratulations to you on your new position. And welcome to the I can help answer that. Look, the rates of enrollment are significantly increasing, obviously with the new sites enrolling at the same rate, besides the fact that they are bigger in many cases, the newest sites. If you do the math, you look at the nine sites that are to come on board within the next, call it, month and a half with our target profile. Speaker 200:15:03For an average of four months, September through December, we need a total of 55 patients. That's about 1.5 patients per site per month. Our current run rate in just the last six weeks is higher than that. So we're not seeing an arc or change to the run rate. As a matter of fact, it will be a little bit lower on a per site basis. Speaker 200:15:23The key is just getting these sites up and running. We've had two, as Doctor. Absalom mentioned, of the next six with the new profile just come on board as of really yesterday. And their enrollment should start here shortly. And even without any enrollment through the balance of August, if we just assume everyone's on in September and starts enrolling, again, will be a flat run rate to what we've seen historically with these three new profile sites. Speaker 200:15:50So we're not talking about an acceleration on a per site basis, although that might happen. We're just talking about producing what they already are. Speaker 400:16:01Okay, great. That's helpful. And then just wondering, you mentioned this program where you're providing the products for sites that would like to try it, as you mentioned, given all the issues, especially now with the use and provisioning of heparin and citrate. Is there any opportunity given their use? I would assume this is more than one site or facility to leverage the data that they have, perhaps not for approval, but perhaps for future publication and to buttress commercial uptake? Speaker 200:16:56Yeah, I'll start with, it's an excellent question on the background of it. And then Doctor. Ras can certainly comment about why these sites, one in particular that we're moving down this path with fairly rapidly is important. And the requirements to actually capture data with compassionate use. So while we've been at a number of different CRRT meetings over the course of last year and up to date this year, we continuously get approached by experts in the field at certain institutions whose patient profiles might be unique to their particular situation. Speaker 200:17:31And while we can't satisfy everyone for compassionate use, There are one or two that we are heading down this path with in a fairly aggressive fashion based off of their ability to handle the requirements on their side, because there are requirements on their side. And the fact that their patient population is unique, meaning that it doesn't really overlap what we're doing in our current study. So Doctor. Aslan, I'll turn it over to you about what those types of patient profiles might look like at these institutions, why these people are requesting Nafamostat and the requirements they might have regarding data capture, etcetera. Speaker 300:18:16Absolutely. Thanks Vince. And congratulations Ed. So absolutely, you're absolutely right. So the data that we collect from these patients, although this will not be part of our efficacy data set. Speaker 300:18:33However, our larger data set that will contain safety data from every patient whoever got exposed to nafemostat, this data set will be part of our submission for safety reasons. And obviously this will be used as a publication to highlight that in patients who currently are not suitable or eligible to receive either heparin or citrate can actually safely and effectively receive nafamostat for CRT anticoagulation. So these patients that we are providing compassionate use nafamostat are patients who get chemotherapy and as a result their bone marrows are severely compromised. So they have very low platelet counts. And that contraindicates the use of heparin. Speaker 300:19:21And because of low white blood cell count, these patients also get infected and go into sepsis and can end up having liver dysfunction. And which contraindicates the use of citrate. So these sites are really struggling with these patients because they cannot give them two of the commonly used agents on the market right now. One obviously citrate being of liver use. And they clot very, very frequently because cancer increases your risk of blood clotting. Speaker 300:19:48So this is a very specific patient population which cannot be captured in our clinical study at this point. But it is a big unmet need in that population. And so the data that we use there will be very helpful for our commercial needs as we get through the approval of nifamostat. Does that answer your question Ed? Speaker 400:20:15Yeah, that's helpful color. I appreciate that. And again, congrats on the progress. Thank you. Operator00:20:27Your next question is from James Malloy from Alliance Global Partners. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:20:35Hey guys, thanks. I was wondering if you could walk through the heparin and citrate shortages you guys mentioned earlier in the call. So what's what's kind of the status on that? How long is that going on for? And what do you think what's the expectation for that to resolve? Speaker 500:20:49And then on the second tranche, we hit $17 Does the fact that it looks like a long road to go to get to $0.73 from here, would that preclude that cash coming in or do you think investors will waive that requirement? Speaker 200:21:09Yes, good questions, James. So I'll start on the first one with the supply chain issues that we've continued to hear about or watch and observe with heparin and citrate. Heparin is episodic. There's been a well documented set of historical challenges with the supply chain there and they continue to happen each year at different periods of time. So the dependency on it becomes difficult because that supply chain isn't always well supplied. Speaker 200:21:42Citrate, we often get, we've had a lot this year, sites telling us they're running low or running out. I can't tell you the reasons for that particular shortage, maybe manufacturing issues at certain plants as well as other maybe supply chain issues. But we know citrate is used not just for CRRT, it's used in other areas like blood banks, etcetera. So there's demand for the product in and outside of CRRT. So when you combine the both, each year that we've been involved with this project or this disease state, this therapeutic area, we continue to hear challenges with both. Speaker 200:22:16Sometimes they are fixed faster than others. I think the takeaway is that the users of these products for CRRT are always on edge about the supply that they'll have and if it'll be predictable or not. I think the second question was related to the financings. Raffi? Speaker 600:22:36Yeah. Hi, Jay. Speaker 100:22:38So we'll clearly need capital to get to the PMA filing. And the question about the two conditions that are obligations for the investors to fund are obviously the seventeen and thirty five patients, and then the stock price. We'll see, right, we'll see what happens after we attend or announce, I should say, the enrollment of patients at 17, which should be coming here pretty shortly. But what we do know is the investors do have the right to waive those. And when we were in discussions with them, the overwhelming majority were really just focused on the 17 patient milestone and less so on the stock price. Speaker 100:23:27So we'll have to certainly have discussions with them if we don't achieve that $0.73 But they have the right to waive and the interest really is focused on the milestone of the 17 patients, because that was their most, that's what they really wanted us to see hit, to see if we can get that acceleration and the momentum that we now have. Speaker 500:23:51Understood. And kudos to Doctor. Osborne for rejiggering the trial design and getting it back moving. Absolutely. I guess you're wrapping. Speaker 500:24:03Just a quick question. What are the main components of the OpEx that drives down sort of the numbers looking at? If you just run the numbers you had in the current quarter out, you're well below that 16,000,000 to $17,000,000 OpEx for the year. Do we anticipate a bump here in the second half? Speaker 100:24:19We do, yes. It'll bump up. Maybe we're being a little conservative, but it'll bump up because of the enrollment that's increasing now, has just recently increased and is increasing as we head into the third and the fourth quarter. Speaker 500:24:37Got it. Thank you very much. Speaker 200:24:39Thanks, James. Operator00:24:44Your next question is from Nas Raman from Maxim Group. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:24:50Hi, everyone. Congrats on the progress, and thanks for taking my questions. I only have a couple. The first one is on the new site initiations. Obviously, previously, you had quite a bit of logistical administrative issues on the site initiations. Speaker 600:25:03I guess, at this point, what kind of gives you confidence that you could have the new sites up and running and enrolling basically by the end of the third quarter to basically reach the 2025 completion? That's my first question. Speaker 200:25:17Yes, Naj. So I'll turn that over to Shaquille because Shaquille has done an outstanding job on vetting these institutions before moving into the contracting process. So Shikil, maybe you can comment on that vetting process and what we've actually seen in performance of the administrative advancements. Speaker 300:25:34Absolutely. Thank you, Nas. So yes, so when we were looking at new sites, one of the criteria we used was how quickly can they get their sites up and running. And so, there is some historical data on those sites, on their paperwork timelines. In addition to that, some of these sites which were very, very comforting for us to know was they had their internal benchmarks on how long it takes for them to actually from start initiation of the paperwork to open for enrollment. Speaker 300:26:11And so some of these sites had that benchmark at ninety days or one hundred and twenty days. So three to four months was their own timeline. And they got reprimanded or penalized if they were going outside of that timeline. So that was very helpful for some of these sites. In addition, we also, as Vince mentioned, we had improved some of our internal processes, how we managed contracting process with them. Speaker 300:26:42And we were very, very, very hands on. And so we turned things around very, very quickly. We got external resources groups to help us with all the paperwork. The reality is that we are very close to activating all sites by the end of this quarter. Like every day we are reaching out to start these initiation visits, get the dates for them. Speaker 300:27:09So we have very high level of confidence by the end of this quarter. We will have all nine sites with our target profile up and running and enrolling. And some of these new sites are coming on board. They are really large volume sites. And so yes, as Vince mentioned, the rate of enrollment may not accelerate in our current sites. Speaker 300:27:28Although I think with time as they get more comfortable with patients and the clinical trials, it will likely accelerate a bit. But some of the new sites that are coming in, their rate is I expect to be much higher than the current new target profile sites. Speaker 200:27:43I think, Nas, what I'll add to that is it's important. None of these sites are start from scratch right now. I want to emphasize what Shaquille said, we're way down the path. As a matter of fact, of the next six sites with the new profile, two have already been activated as of last week and this week. So they should start enrollment imminently here this month. Speaker 200:28:06And that leaves us just with a balance of four more sites that we've already got CTAs agreed to, budgets agreed to. We get the SIVs, which are site initiation visits scheduled, all here to get completed by the end of this quarter. So we're not starting from scratch on any of these. If anything, we're on the last leg of the sprint. Speaker 600:28:27Got it. That was very helpful. And my next question is kind of on patient enrollment. Once again, obviously you cross corrected for some of the sites, but you have basically been running the study for just a little over a year at this point. I guess what has been the trepidation from the different sites or I guess patients from enrolling the trial? Speaker 600:28:49Has it been the fact that a lot of these patients and either investigators have been concerned about enrolling them or the patients, they didn't wanna agree to enroll in the trial or the families. Like the most recent initiations or the most recent enrollment, have they more been function of just the new sites have been more effective understanding the thermostat or has it been more of a function of the fact that there's been these shortages, so these investigators decided, okay, why not enroll into this effort study? Speaker 200:29:19Shaquille, I'll start with the first part of this and maybe talk about the characteristics of the new sites. Supply really hasn't been an issue. Look, the original sites that we inherited when we assumed this program from the previous owner of the company, those original sites were sites that, that company had a relationship with based off of their previous development program in the ICU. That product was a vasopressor. That product utilized PIs that were typically intensivists. Speaker 200:29:54And that study typically with those intensivists pulled patients from surgical ICUs, which aren't really the patient populations we'll see for CRRT. These were very good sites, very good investigators, very good people for that disease state of vasopressor. And I believe they felt because they were intensivists in an ICU, there would be an easy cross to a CRRT study. And that was basically every site that we inherited. Doctor. Speaker 200:30:25Aslan when came in, evaluated the sites and quickly based off his experience as a nephrologist and involvement with CRRT, diagnosed the fact that while these are great institutions and very talented PIs in medical centers, for a study in CRRT, it would need to shift the specialties with nephrology who were pulling patients from the medical ICU. So the original sites, while they were inherited, really weren't the right match for this study moving forward. And with Doctor. Asim's expertise intervening, he changed that profile. Now Doctor. Speaker 200:31:02Azam, you can comment on why this acceleration lately. Maybe you can talk about other metrics you're seeing and why you feel the patient enrollment is occurring. Speaker 300:31:15Absolutely. Thanks Vince. So as Vince mentioned, our previous sites, they were great sites, but they were really not very productive for this particular indication. And primarily because of their population that they were screening had a lot of cardiac failure, heart failure, and they were post operative cardiac surgery patients. And most of those patients who had kidney failure also had heart failure and were being treated with heparin for ECMO and other extracorporeal therapies. Speaker 300:31:54So, they've had systemic heparin for other indications. So that was our biggest challenge that there were really very few patients consenting per month. So because of very early look at those patients and they were not qualifying. And secondly, bias perhaps is that nephrologists feel very close to CRRT as opposed to intensivists because intensivists are generally pulmonary critical care people and they have a focus on lungs and oxygenation and ventilator. And even when they run CRRT, the CRRT is like a little bit of, you know, perhaps side business for them. Speaker 300:32:36CRRT is not their main focus. Whereas nephrologists, you know, that's the only reason they are seeing those patients just to manage CRRT. So they are very close to this lack of any proper anticoagulants in this in CRRT use. And they deal with the complications of CRRT anticoagulation all the time. Either patients are bleeding or the circuits are clotting and they have to send their nurses, you know, swap those circuits three to four times a day. Speaker 300:33:07So that's what's my bias that if we have these nephrologists, they will take more ownership of the study and enroll these patients because they are really, really desperate to get some new agent and choices in anticoagulant therapy. So both of them have worked out. We are looking at over the last six weeks or so, our consent rates looking at patients, you know, who are passing the first screening has really significantly increased, like almost skyrocketed. And many of these patients are now being enrolled in the study. So I think it really comes down to how passionate the PIs are to get into this indication and get their hands and access to nifamostat. Speaker 300:33:59And also if they have the right patient to choose from. And I think that's what's happening with our new sites and new PIs. I do not believe that this is really due to, although there is, you know, current if you go to the FDA's website, they're listing heparin as still one of the drugs which are in short supply because there's always problems with raw materials, manufacturing and short half life and shelf life and all that. So that's still ongoing. But I don't think that's what's causing a spike or acceleration in our enrollment. Speaker 300:34:30I think it really is the interest and enthusiasm by the PIs and the sites. Speaker 600:34:40Got it. That was very helpful. Thank you. Sure. Speaker 400:34:44Thanks, Nas. Operator00:34:48Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, should you have any questions, please press the star key There are no further questions at this time. Please proceed with closing remarks. Speaker 200:35:10Thanks, Andrew. Again, thank you for joining our second quarter earnings call. As you can tell, we're very excited about the progress we've made, all with the goal of completing an EFFO trial this year in 2025 with an FDA approval of NIAID in 2026. We'll continue to manage our cash prudently and we look forward to providing additional updates on our progress. That concludes our call, and thank you for your interest in our company. Speaker 200:35:36Have a great day. Operator00:35:39Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines.Read morePowered by Earnings DocumentsPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Talphera Earnings HeadlinesTalphera Announces Second Quarter 2025 Financial Results and Provides Corporate Update3 hours ago | prnewswire.comA Preview Of Talphera's EarningsAugust 13 at 2:31 PM | benzinga.comHe Called Nvidia at $1.10. Now, He Says THIS Stock Will…The original Magnificent Seven returned 16,894%—turning $7K into $1.18 million. 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Email Address About TalpheraTalphera (NASDAQ:TLPH), a specialty pharmaceutical company, focuses on the development and commercialization of therapies for use in medically supervised settings. Its lead product candidate is Niyad, a lyophilized formulation of nafamostat, which is under an investigational device exemption as an anticoagulant for the extracorporeal circuit. It is also developing LTX-608, an anti-inflammatory and antiviral potential for the treatment of multiple conditions, including disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC), acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), and acute pancreatitis; Fedsyra, a pre-filled ephedrine syringe; and PFS-02, a pre-filled phenylephrine syringe. The company was formerly known as AcelRx Pharmaceuticals, Inc. and changed its name to Talphera, Inc. in January 2024. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to the Telfaira Second Quarter twenty twenty five Financial Results Conference Call. This call is being webcast live via the Events page of the Investors section of Telfaira's website at www.talfera.com. You may listen to a replay of this webcast by going to the Investors section of Telfaira's website. I would now like to turn the call over to Raffi Azadorian, Talfera's Chief Financial Officer. Speaker 100:00:28Thanks, Andrew, and thank you for joining us on the call today. Today, we announced our second quarter twenty twenty five financial results and associated business updates in a press release. With me today are Vince Angotti, our Chief Executive Officer and Doctor. Shaquille Azlam, Telfaira's Chief Medical Officer. Before we begin, I want to remind listeners that during this call, we will likely make forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Speaker 100:00:57These forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties regarding the operations and future results of TALFERO. Please refer to our press release in addition to the company's periodic, current, and annual reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission for a discussion of the risks associated with such forward looking statements. These documents can be found on our website within the Investors section. I'll now hand the call to Vince. Speaker 200:01:27Thanks, Raffi. Good afternoon and thank you to everyone joining our call today. We're excited about the progress made this past quarter, specifically in the acceleration of the Nephros study enrollment. At the end of last year, upon the announcement of Doctor. Shaquille Aslam becoming the Chief Medical Officer of TALFERO, we embarked on a restructuring of the nephro clinical study, which included changing the target profile of our clinical sites, approaching the FDA with various study protocol changes, including reduction of the study size from 166 to 70 patients and adjusting internal processes to ensure acceleration of study enrollment with the goal of completing the study by the 2025. Speaker 200:02:15I'm very pleased to inform you that we now have evidence that all of these changes were indeed the appropriate adjustments, and we're confident that we're on the right path to achieve our goals. We have seen a strong acceleration of the enrollment rate over the last six weeks from the first three sites with our new target profile. This target profile includes nephrologist principal investigator and the institution screening patients at medical ICUs. As a result, the number of total enrolled patients has more than doubled since May. These sites, combined with six additional new target profile sites that are expected to begin enrolling over the rest of this quarter, should keep us on plan to complete the study by the end of this year. Speaker 200:03:09Doctor. Azim and I have recently returned from a visit with many of the new study teams at their respective locations. In addition to observing their study engagement, I'm also highly encouraged by the eagerness of these institutions that have Nefamostat available if approved. In their words, Nefamostat, based on its profile and use in other countries, will be a preferred anticoagulant for CRRT. While we still need to complete the study, this feedback from these investigators continues to strengthen my belief that Nefamistat, if approved, will become a primary product in the market for CRRT anticoagulation. Speaker 200:03:55The addition of more of the right clinical study sites and principal investigators has been critical to achieving the increased enrollment rates. As a reminder, the new site profile concentrates specifically on one, the type of intensive care unit where the study will be performed, for example, medical ICUs instead of surgical or cardiothoracic ICUs where many of the legacy sites were focused. Two, the specialty of the principal investigator, specifically a nephrologist as a primary lead for selecting patients to enroll compared to an intensivist or other specialist, which were the specialties of the legacy site PIs. And three, the efficiency of the administration to initiate a new study at their institution. Doctor. Speaker 200:04:49Aslam identified these characteristics after his review and learnings from assessing the initial sites as critical to successful and timely enrollment. In addition to the acceleration in enrollment at existing new profile sites and the institutional interest in joining the study as we add new sites, we believe there are other tailwinds supporting the market potential of nafamostat. These include one, advancing a compassionate use IDE. As stated on our last call, we have been approached by multiple institutions and are discussing using nafamostat under a compassionate use IDE for a specific patient population that does not do well with other available anticoagulants for CRRT. And two, continued shortages of citrate and potential supply chain issues with heparin. Speaker 200:05:42Healthcare providers are inquiring about the timely availability of Nafamostat, given the recurrent heparin and citrate shortages. Now before I turn the call over to Doctor. Aslam to provide some additional details, let me remind you that if approved, NIAID would become the only FDA approved regional anticoagulant for use during continuous renal replacement therapy. This is important in that there are many disadvantages to the currently used products, heparin, which is systemic in nature, and citrate, which is being used off label. I'll now hand the call over to Doctor. Speaker 200:06:23Aslam. Speaker 300:06:26Thank you, Vince, and good afternoon to all. The acceleration in enrollment rate is exciting, and the new site engagement has been excellent as we shift away from the legacy sites to the new target profile sites previously described. We now have a total of seven sites that are actively screening. We have four legacy or old profile sites and three new target profile sites. These new sites have enrolled over ninety percent of the 15 patients to date. Speaker 300:06:57Importantly, the enrollment rate from these three new sites has been impressive and has validated our strategy of changing the target site profile. These sites have enrolled nine patients over the last six weeks, which was in line with our enrollment forecast. We terminated one legacy site because of its low screening numbers and failure to enroll any subjects. We expect to add six new sites over the course of the third quarter, all with the new profile. As a matter of fact, a couple of them were recently activated and will begin enrolling shortly. Speaker 300:07:37This gives me confidence that the relaunch of the NAFLDO study with significant protocol changes and a pivot to the sites with a different profile has been successful. We expect the study enrollment rate to accelerate further with the addition of the six new sites with a similar profile over the current quarter. As these are large academic institutions with CRRT volumes higher than the legacy sites. As we mentioned on our last call, we continue to advance our compassionate use IDE with a large institution. Physicians at this institution see an immediate and compelling need for a subset of patients with contraindications to currently available anticoagulants and need an alternative. Speaker 300:08:27We are in the process of submitting a compassionate use ID to the FDA. This is an opportunity to provide an alternative to these patients who cannot receive the currently available anticoagulants. And as a result, clot their CRRT circuits frequently. We do not have a timeline finalized, but we wanted to share this information as this was not the first such request we have had. It is evident that the current anticoagulants for CRRT are not ideal products. Speaker 300:08:58And there is no FDA approved additional anticoagulant on the market. We will provide more information on the progress of this compassionate use IDE submission. And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Vince. Speaker 200:09:14Thank you, Doctor. Aslam. Before I hand the call over to Raffi, I want to reiterate our belief that the three critical risk elements, clinical, regulatory, and commercial for the nafamostat program are low for a number of reasons. First, with over thirty years of use as an anticoagulant during CRRT in Japan and South Korea, we know Nafamostat's track record of efficacy and safety, minimizing the clinical risk. The trial design has been agreed with the FDA, including broader inclusion criteria and a reduced number of patients, all of which help minimize study execution risk. Speaker 200:09:57Second, we have a clear regulatory path, including breakthrough designation from the FDA, which has provided us with efficient access to the agency, leading to quick review and response times. Lastly, while we know there is always commercial risk, we believe this is mitigated given the disadvantages of the products currently being used for anticoagulation of the CRRT circuit, namely heparin and citrate. As you heard from Doctor. Asim, there's a clear need for an FDA approved regional anticoagulant. I'll now hand the call over to Raffi for a financial update. Speaker 100:10:38Thank you, Vince. We continue to focus on our efficiency, while accelerating the enrollment in our clinical study. Accordingly, we are reducing the previously communicated 2025 expected cash operating expense guidance to now be in the range of $16,000,000 to $17,000,000 which includes the estimated expenses related to executing and targeting completion of the nephro CRRT registrational trial by the end of the year. This is a reduction from the $17,000,000 to $19,000,000 range provided last quarter. Our cash operating expenses, or combined R and D and SG and A expenses, for the 2025 totaled $3,700,000 compared to $4,300,000 for the 2024. Speaker 100:11:32Excluding noncash stock based compensation expense, these amounts were $3,500,000 for the 2025, compared to $4,000,000 for the 2024. The decrease in cash operating expenses in the 2025 was primarily due to reductions in personnel expense and other general and administrative expenses. Our cash balance at 06/30/2025 was $6,800,000 including the proceeds from the first tranche of financing that closed on April 2. As a reminder, the financing was structured in three equal tranches, with the first tranche received at the initial closing and the two additional tranches committed upon achieving an enrollment of 17 patients and 35 patients, and with the stock trading above $0.73 per share following the announcement of each milestone. Expected proceeds from the closing of the two additional tranches, combined with the $6,800,000 in cash at 06/30/2025, should support the company through the completion of the study anticipated by the end of the year. Speaker 100:12:50I'll now turn the call back to Vince. Speaker 200:12:54Thank you, Raffi. And I'd like to open the line for any questions you might have. Operator? Operator00:13:01Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Your Your first question is from Ed Arce from Westpark Capital. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:13:40Hi guys. Hope all is well and congrats on the progress with NEFRO enrollment, as well as the expense run rate. One major question and perhaps a follow-up, just trying to get a better sense for, given all the detail that you've provided now on the acceleration with these new profile sites. I just wanted to get a better sense for the acceleration that you expect to get to the 70 enrollment target by year end, given that the last six weeks saw nine patients enrolled. Maybe just talk through the kind of arc that you're expecting through the remainder of the third quarter and into the fourth quarter? Speaker 400:14:32Thanks. Speaker 200:14:35Ed, this is Vince. And congratulations to you on your new position. And welcome to the I can help answer that. Look, the rates of enrollment are significantly increasing, obviously with the new sites enrolling at the same rate, besides the fact that they are bigger in many cases, the newest sites. If you do the math, you look at the nine sites that are to come on board within the next, call it, month and a half with our target profile. Speaker 200:15:03For an average of four months, September through December, we need a total of 55 patients. That's about 1.5 patients per site per month. Our current run rate in just the last six weeks is higher than that. So we're not seeing an arc or change to the run rate. As a matter of fact, it will be a little bit lower on a per site basis. Speaker 200:15:23The key is just getting these sites up and running. We've had two, as Doctor. Absalom mentioned, of the next six with the new profile just come on board as of really yesterday. And their enrollment should start here shortly. And even without any enrollment through the balance of August, if we just assume everyone's on in September and starts enrolling, again, will be a flat run rate to what we've seen historically with these three new profile sites. Speaker 200:15:50So we're not talking about an acceleration on a per site basis, although that might happen. We're just talking about producing what they already are. Speaker 400:16:01Okay, great. That's helpful. And then just wondering, you mentioned this program where you're providing the products for sites that would like to try it, as you mentioned, given all the issues, especially now with the use and provisioning of heparin and citrate. Is there any opportunity given their use? I would assume this is more than one site or facility to leverage the data that they have, perhaps not for approval, but perhaps for future publication and to buttress commercial uptake? Speaker 200:16:56Yeah, I'll start with, it's an excellent question on the background of it. And then Doctor. Ras can certainly comment about why these sites, one in particular that we're moving down this path with fairly rapidly is important. And the requirements to actually capture data with compassionate use. So while we've been at a number of different CRRT meetings over the course of last year and up to date this year, we continuously get approached by experts in the field at certain institutions whose patient profiles might be unique to their particular situation. Speaker 200:17:31And while we can't satisfy everyone for compassionate use, There are one or two that we are heading down this path with in a fairly aggressive fashion based off of their ability to handle the requirements on their side, because there are requirements on their side. And the fact that their patient population is unique, meaning that it doesn't really overlap what we're doing in our current study. So Doctor. Aslan, I'll turn it over to you about what those types of patient profiles might look like at these institutions, why these people are requesting Nafamostat and the requirements they might have regarding data capture, etcetera. Speaker 300:18:16Absolutely. Thanks Vince. And congratulations Ed. So absolutely, you're absolutely right. So the data that we collect from these patients, although this will not be part of our efficacy data set. Speaker 300:18:33However, our larger data set that will contain safety data from every patient whoever got exposed to nafemostat, this data set will be part of our submission for safety reasons. And obviously this will be used as a publication to highlight that in patients who currently are not suitable or eligible to receive either heparin or citrate can actually safely and effectively receive nafamostat for CRT anticoagulation. So these patients that we are providing compassionate use nafamostat are patients who get chemotherapy and as a result their bone marrows are severely compromised. So they have very low platelet counts. And that contraindicates the use of heparin. Speaker 300:19:21And because of low white blood cell count, these patients also get infected and go into sepsis and can end up having liver dysfunction. And which contraindicates the use of citrate. So these sites are really struggling with these patients because they cannot give them two of the commonly used agents on the market right now. One obviously citrate being of liver use. And they clot very, very frequently because cancer increases your risk of blood clotting. Speaker 300:19:48So this is a very specific patient population which cannot be captured in our clinical study at this point. But it is a big unmet need in that population. And so the data that we use there will be very helpful for our commercial needs as we get through the approval of nifamostat. Does that answer your question Ed? Speaker 400:20:15Yeah, that's helpful color. I appreciate that. And again, congrats on the progress. Thank you. Operator00:20:27Your next question is from James Malloy from Alliance Global Partners. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:20:35Hey guys, thanks. I was wondering if you could walk through the heparin and citrate shortages you guys mentioned earlier in the call. So what's what's kind of the status on that? How long is that going on for? And what do you think what's the expectation for that to resolve? Speaker 500:20:49And then on the second tranche, we hit $17 Does the fact that it looks like a long road to go to get to $0.73 from here, would that preclude that cash coming in or do you think investors will waive that requirement? Speaker 200:21:09Yes, good questions, James. So I'll start on the first one with the supply chain issues that we've continued to hear about or watch and observe with heparin and citrate. Heparin is episodic. There's been a well documented set of historical challenges with the supply chain there and they continue to happen each year at different periods of time. So the dependency on it becomes difficult because that supply chain isn't always well supplied. Speaker 200:21:42Citrate, we often get, we've had a lot this year, sites telling us they're running low or running out. I can't tell you the reasons for that particular shortage, maybe manufacturing issues at certain plants as well as other maybe supply chain issues. But we know citrate is used not just for CRRT, it's used in other areas like blood banks, etcetera. So there's demand for the product in and outside of CRRT. So when you combine the both, each year that we've been involved with this project or this disease state, this therapeutic area, we continue to hear challenges with both. Speaker 200:22:16Sometimes they are fixed faster than others. I think the takeaway is that the users of these products for CRRT are always on edge about the supply that they'll have and if it'll be predictable or not. I think the second question was related to the financings. Raffi? Speaker 600:22:36Yeah. Hi, Jay. Speaker 100:22:38So we'll clearly need capital to get to the PMA filing. And the question about the two conditions that are obligations for the investors to fund are obviously the seventeen and thirty five patients, and then the stock price. We'll see, right, we'll see what happens after we attend or announce, I should say, the enrollment of patients at 17, which should be coming here pretty shortly. But what we do know is the investors do have the right to waive those. And when we were in discussions with them, the overwhelming majority were really just focused on the 17 patient milestone and less so on the stock price. Speaker 100:23:27So we'll have to certainly have discussions with them if we don't achieve that $0.73 But they have the right to waive and the interest really is focused on the milestone of the 17 patients, because that was their most, that's what they really wanted us to see hit, to see if we can get that acceleration and the momentum that we now have. Speaker 500:23:51Understood. And kudos to Doctor. Osborne for rejiggering the trial design and getting it back moving. Absolutely. I guess you're wrapping. Speaker 500:24:03Just a quick question. What are the main components of the OpEx that drives down sort of the numbers looking at? If you just run the numbers you had in the current quarter out, you're well below that 16,000,000 to $17,000,000 OpEx for the year. Do we anticipate a bump here in the second half? Speaker 100:24:19We do, yes. It'll bump up. Maybe we're being a little conservative, but it'll bump up because of the enrollment that's increasing now, has just recently increased and is increasing as we head into the third and the fourth quarter. Speaker 500:24:37Got it. Thank you very much. Speaker 200:24:39Thanks, James. Operator00:24:44Your next question is from Nas Raman from Maxim Group. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:24:50Hi, everyone. Congrats on the progress, and thanks for taking my questions. I only have a couple. The first one is on the new site initiations. Obviously, previously, you had quite a bit of logistical administrative issues on the site initiations. Speaker 600:25:03I guess, at this point, what kind of gives you confidence that you could have the new sites up and running and enrolling basically by the end of the third quarter to basically reach the 2025 completion? That's my first question. Speaker 200:25:17Yes, Naj. So I'll turn that over to Shaquille because Shaquille has done an outstanding job on vetting these institutions before moving into the contracting process. So Shikil, maybe you can comment on that vetting process and what we've actually seen in performance of the administrative advancements. Speaker 300:25:34Absolutely. Thank you, Nas. So yes, so when we were looking at new sites, one of the criteria we used was how quickly can they get their sites up and running. And so, there is some historical data on those sites, on their paperwork timelines. In addition to that, some of these sites which were very, very comforting for us to know was they had their internal benchmarks on how long it takes for them to actually from start initiation of the paperwork to open for enrollment. Speaker 300:26:11And so some of these sites had that benchmark at ninety days or one hundred and twenty days. So three to four months was their own timeline. And they got reprimanded or penalized if they were going outside of that timeline. So that was very helpful for some of these sites. In addition, we also, as Vince mentioned, we had improved some of our internal processes, how we managed contracting process with them. Speaker 300:26:42And we were very, very, very hands on. And so we turned things around very, very quickly. We got external resources groups to help us with all the paperwork. The reality is that we are very close to activating all sites by the end of this quarter. Like every day we are reaching out to start these initiation visits, get the dates for them. Speaker 300:27:09So we have very high level of confidence by the end of this quarter. We will have all nine sites with our target profile up and running and enrolling. And some of these new sites are coming on board. They are really large volume sites. And so yes, as Vince mentioned, the rate of enrollment may not accelerate in our current sites. Speaker 300:27:28Although I think with time as they get more comfortable with patients and the clinical trials, it will likely accelerate a bit. But some of the new sites that are coming in, their rate is I expect to be much higher than the current new target profile sites. Speaker 200:27:43I think, Nas, what I'll add to that is it's important. None of these sites are start from scratch right now. I want to emphasize what Shaquille said, we're way down the path. As a matter of fact, of the next six sites with the new profile, two have already been activated as of last week and this week. So they should start enrollment imminently here this month. Speaker 200:28:06And that leaves us just with a balance of four more sites that we've already got CTAs agreed to, budgets agreed to. We get the SIVs, which are site initiation visits scheduled, all here to get completed by the end of this quarter. So we're not starting from scratch on any of these. If anything, we're on the last leg of the sprint. Speaker 600:28:27Got it. That was very helpful. And my next question is kind of on patient enrollment. Once again, obviously you cross corrected for some of the sites, but you have basically been running the study for just a little over a year at this point. I guess what has been the trepidation from the different sites or I guess patients from enrolling the trial? Speaker 600:28:49Has it been the fact that a lot of these patients and either investigators have been concerned about enrolling them or the patients, they didn't wanna agree to enroll in the trial or the families. Like the most recent initiations or the most recent enrollment, have they more been function of just the new sites have been more effective understanding the thermostat or has it been more of a function of the fact that there's been these shortages, so these investigators decided, okay, why not enroll into this effort study? Speaker 200:29:19Shaquille, I'll start with the first part of this and maybe talk about the characteristics of the new sites. Supply really hasn't been an issue. Look, the original sites that we inherited when we assumed this program from the previous owner of the company, those original sites were sites that, that company had a relationship with based off of their previous development program in the ICU. That product was a vasopressor. That product utilized PIs that were typically intensivists. Speaker 200:29:54And that study typically with those intensivists pulled patients from surgical ICUs, which aren't really the patient populations we'll see for CRRT. These were very good sites, very good investigators, very good people for that disease state of vasopressor. And I believe they felt because they were intensivists in an ICU, there would be an easy cross to a CRRT study. And that was basically every site that we inherited. Doctor. Speaker 200:30:25Aslan when came in, evaluated the sites and quickly based off his experience as a nephrologist and involvement with CRRT, diagnosed the fact that while these are great institutions and very talented PIs in medical centers, for a study in CRRT, it would need to shift the specialties with nephrology who were pulling patients from the medical ICU. So the original sites, while they were inherited, really weren't the right match for this study moving forward. And with Doctor. Asim's expertise intervening, he changed that profile. Now Doctor. Speaker 200:31:02Azam, you can comment on why this acceleration lately. Maybe you can talk about other metrics you're seeing and why you feel the patient enrollment is occurring. Speaker 300:31:15Absolutely. Thanks Vince. So as Vince mentioned, our previous sites, they were great sites, but they were really not very productive for this particular indication. And primarily because of their population that they were screening had a lot of cardiac failure, heart failure, and they were post operative cardiac surgery patients. And most of those patients who had kidney failure also had heart failure and were being treated with heparin for ECMO and other extracorporeal therapies. Speaker 300:31:54So, they've had systemic heparin for other indications. So that was our biggest challenge that there were really very few patients consenting per month. So because of very early look at those patients and they were not qualifying. And secondly, bias perhaps is that nephrologists feel very close to CRRT as opposed to intensivists because intensivists are generally pulmonary critical care people and they have a focus on lungs and oxygenation and ventilator. And even when they run CRRT, the CRRT is like a little bit of, you know, perhaps side business for them. Speaker 300:32:36CRRT is not their main focus. Whereas nephrologists, you know, that's the only reason they are seeing those patients just to manage CRRT. So they are very close to this lack of any proper anticoagulants in this in CRRT use. And they deal with the complications of CRRT anticoagulation all the time. Either patients are bleeding or the circuits are clotting and they have to send their nurses, you know, swap those circuits three to four times a day. Speaker 300:33:07So that's what's my bias that if we have these nephrologists, they will take more ownership of the study and enroll these patients because they are really, really desperate to get some new agent and choices in anticoagulant therapy. So both of them have worked out. We are looking at over the last six weeks or so, our consent rates looking at patients, you know, who are passing the first screening has really significantly increased, like almost skyrocketed. And many of these patients are now being enrolled in the study. So I think it really comes down to how passionate the PIs are to get into this indication and get their hands and access to nifamostat. Speaker 300:33:59And also if they have the right patient to choose from. And I think that's what's happening with our new sites and new PIs. I do not believe that this is really due to, although there is, you know, current if you go to the FDA's website, they're listing heparin as still one of the drugs which are in short supply because there's always problems with raw materials, manufacturing and short half life and shelf life and all that. So that's still ongoing. But I don't think that's what's causing a spike or acceleration in our enrollment. Speaker 300:34:30I think it really is the interest and enthusiasm by the PIs and the sites. Speaker 600:34:40Got it. That was very helpful. Thank you. Sure. Speaker 400:34:44Thanks, Nas. Operator00:34:48Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, should you have any questions, please press the star key There are no further questions at this time. Please proceed with closing remarks. Speaker 200:35:10Thanks, Andrew. Again, thank you for joining our second quarter earnings call. As you can tell, we're very excited about the progress we've made, all with the goal of completing an EFFO trial this year in 2025 with an FDA approval of NIAID in 2026. We'll continue to manage our cash prudently and we look forward to providing additional updates on our progress. That concludes our call, and thank you for your interest in our company. Speaker 200:35:36Have a great day. Operator00:35:39Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines.Read morePowered by