TMC the metals Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Launch of PFS and initial assessment detailing a combined NPV of $23.6 B and a clear capital-efficient path to first production in Q4 2027 with world-first reserves for a nodule project.
  • Positive Sentiment: Secured an $85 M strategic investment from Korea Zinc to supply TMC’s nodule-derived materials for refined metals, supporting potential U.S. refinery development.
  • Positive Sentiment: NOAA confirmed full compliance on exploration license applications, triggering a 100-day certification and bolstered by proposed regulatory amendments to streamline permitting under the U.S. Deep Seabed Hard Mineral Resources Act.
  • Positive Sentiment: Renewed partnerships with the Republic of Nauru and Kingdom of Tonga reaffirm a science-based, rules-driven approach to environmental stewardship and shared economic benefits in Pacific critical mineral supply chains.
  • Negative Sentiment: Reported a Q2 2025 net loss of $74.3 M versus $20.2 M a year ago, primarily driven by higher warrant costs and fair-value adjustments, reflecting ongoing investment in exploration and development.
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Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to The Metals Company Second Quarter twenty twenty five Corporate Update Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you'll need to press 11 on your telephone.

Operator

You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the conference over to Craig Sheske, CFO of The Metals Company. Please go ahead.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

Thank you, Liz. Please note that during this call, certain statements made by the company are going to be forward looking and based on management's beliefs and assumptions from information available at this time. These statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties, many of which may be beyond our control. Additionally, please note that the company's actual results may differ materially from those anticipated. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update any forward looking statement.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

Our remarks today may also include non GAAP financial measures, including with respect to free cash flows, and additional details regarding these non GAAP financial measures, including reconciliations to the most recent directly comparable GAAP financial measures, can be found in our slide deck being used with this call. You are welcome to follow along with our slide deck, or if joining us by phone, you can access it at any time at investors.metals.co. And I now like to turn the call over to our chairman and CEO, Jared Baron. Jared, please go ahead.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

Thanks, Craig, and thanks to all of you for attending. So firstly, I want to acknowledge everyone who made the pilgrimage to New York for our first ever Strategy Day on August 4 last week. And that includes my leadership team, the Board of Directors, our new and long time strategic partners, our sponsoring states, our research analysts, institutional investors and a select group from our army of retail investors. I believe this experiment was a resounding success, probably the single most exciting workday that I've ever experienced. And if you are not part of it this year, fear not.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

We intend to repeat this on an annual basis, getting bigger and better each time, and as our coalition of investors and partners continues to grow. Just make sure you hold enough TNC shares when the invites go out. So the day was packed with meaningful conversations, including a deep dive into our partnerships with an exciting panel, including Edward and Stephanie Harima of Allsys and Career's Inc. Chairman, Yunby Choi. And in true TMC style, the evening ended on a high note, quite literally, with a spirited karaoke party.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

The strategy day also featured the ringing of the Nasdaq closing bell, which our Nasdaq rep said was one of the most enthusiastic and well attended that they had ever had. And this moment gave me an opportunity to reflect on what what's happened in the previous four years since we last rang that same bell. And I keep coming back to our key TMC motto, adapt or die. And it's not just that we've been able to adapt to a capital light approach. It's not that we've been able to adapt to a new regulator.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

It's that amidst all of this adapt adaption, we've been able to keep the project moving forward while so many others have been stuck at zero. And this now puts us in a unique position where we have a wide moat around the business due in part to all of the project spending and historic milestones over the last fourteen years, but also because we're one of the unique companies with competency in this new industry that can actually take the path offered by the existing US seabed mining code. Many others have no choice but to wait for the long promised and never delivered ISA mining code. And I believe that the pace of our progress is only going to accelerate from here with a PFS in hand as the only commercially viable deep seabed resource opportunity in the next several years for any potential customers, commercial partners, and, of course, public shareholders. Make no mistake.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

TMC is here to stay, and we are just getting started. Another highlight of August 4 was the release of our PFS and initial assessment. Two documents with sign off from qualified persons showing a combined project net present value of more than $23,000,000,000 while also showing a clear capital efficient path to first production. The PFS also included a world first reserves for a nodule project. Now I do know that there are some who may have been hoping for production sooner than q four two thousand and twenty seven expected start date.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

Well, first of all, as anyone familiar with resource investing will tell you, q four two thousand and twenty seven is right around the corner when talking about a multi decade project of this scale and value. It's also important to keep in mind that there has always been an anticipated ramp up period post permitting, where modifications and mobilization with the hidden gem would be required prior to beginning commercial production. And this anticipated ramp up period has always been expected by the research analysts who cover our stock. In fact, last year in November, when the share price was below a dollar, we discussed the fact that we would not be making capital investment on the hidden gem until we had regulatory certainty. We're now excited to be ramping up this work again and with our partner, Allsys.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

And instead of a sequence where that work begins after the grant of a permit, we and the board soon expect to have the confidence to get moving. And this is due to the signals and tangible progress coming to us from DC, not just to issue a permit, but do it in a way that can be legally defensible for many decades to come. So today's agenda. First, we'll take you through a summary of all the amazing things that have happened in the last few months, including the strategic investment from Korea Zinc. We've also renewed our partnerships with Nauru and Tonga, reaffirming our shared science and rules based approach to delivering lasting benefits for the Pacific nations while building the secure critical mineral supply chains underpinning reindustrialization, good jobs, and resilient economies.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

I will then discuss our cadence of regular predictable progress at NOAA, including our notice this week of full compliance on our exploration applications. And I'll then turn it over to Craig to discuss the PFS, DIA, and our financials. Well, I'm happy to again report that we have renewed and strengthened our agreements with both the Republic Of Nauru and the Kingdom Of Tonga, our long standing sponsoring states who have led from the front since the beginning. And these updated agreements reaffirm our shared commitment to a science rules based approach to developing this new industry, setting a high bar for environmental stewardship, transparency, and community benefit. For Nauru and Tonga, these partnerships are designed to deliver durable economic opportunities, capacity building, and long term revenues that can support generations to come.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

They provide the stable, collaborative partnerships we need to responsibly advance towards first production, while also contributing to US and allied efforts to secure resilient supplies of critical minerals. On a personal note, I was I very much enjoyed our meetings in DC with the Nauruan delegation on August 6, and it was great to see the US State Department recognize the strategic importance of our sponsoring state. In June, we announced a landmark strategic investment of $85,000,000 from Korea's Inc, the world's largest smelter of of nonferrous metals. Korea's Inc. Is positioned to use TMC's USA nodule derived materials to produce refined metals, copper foil and p cam, in their existing facilities in South Korea and potentially build new facilities here in The USA.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

To further that ambition, in August, I traveled to DC with Chairman Choi. Among others, we met with David Copley, the president's critical minerals czar, to discuss securing domestic supply chains and advancing US mineral independence. And I look forward to another visit with Korea's Inc. On their home turf this September as we push on bringing additional investment into The United States. This quarter, we welcomed Michael Hess and Alex Spiro to the TMC board, two highly connected leaders whose experience spans global energy, finance, law and high stakes negotiation.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

Michael Hess spent time at Goldman Sachs and KKR and now heads the Hess family corporation and brings deep relationships across government and industry that will help accelerate our access to capital and strategic partnerships. And of course, the Hess family are recognized as one of the great industrial giants in The United States. Alex Spiro, one of the America's most prominent trial lawyers and strategic advisers, has represented some of the biggest names in the business and technology, and his insight and network will be invaluable as we navigate the complex intersection of policy, markets and innovation. And together, this board combines unmatched vision, credibility and connections, giving TMC the strategic edge we need to move NoriD into production. This quarter, we continued methodically moving the regulatory ball forward under The US Deep Seabed Hard Mineral Resources Act, a clear enforceable framework that gives us visibility and confidence in our path to production.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

I know it's not always quick enough for everyone, but just take a step back on how fast these milestones have been achieved since the initial applications were submitted just a few months ago. In April, application submissions in May, substantial compliance on the exploration license applications and in July, proposed amendments to DSHMRA to expedite the process. And on August 12, NOAA confirmed full compliance for our exploration license applications, another important milestone that validates the thoroughness of our submissions and moves us to the next stage in the process. And I'm pleased to say that NOAA has begun the process of certifying these applications, a hundred day process that started on July 27 and July 28. Each regulatory milestone derisks the project and strengthens the investment case, and we are systematically progressing through a transparent US regulatory process and with a clear path ahead toward first production from NORID in Q4 twenty twenty seven.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

So we're also looking forward to this administration's proposed amendments to streamline permitting and supportive guidance from senior officials underscoring the US government's intent to lead in the production and processing of deep seabed critical minerals. The public comment period on these amendments will be concluded on September. And in contrast to NOAA's great progress in the last several months, I'd like to acknowledge that the ISA finished their thirtieth session this July. The ISA calls continues to keep calling for regulations, but doesn't seem to be particularly interested in delivering those regulations. Keep in mind that NOAA had pioneered deep sea environmental research and had put in place working regulations prior to the ISA ever being formed.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

So on that note, I would like to turn the call over to our Chief Financial Officer, Craig Chesky.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

Thank you, Jared. For those in attendance or for those who have reviewed the presentation during Strategy Day, a lot of this is going to be familiar, but there's quite a bit of detail. So, I'm now happy to go through some of the key points in our historic landmark Pre Feasibility Study and initial assessment in deeper detail. Project Economic Studies come with three levels of increasing confidence, an initial assessment which gives you a sense of what the project could be within a broad band of plus or minus 50% cost estimate accuracy. We produced an IA in March 2021 over the Noridi area.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

A pre feasibility study gives you a sense of what the project should be and then narrows that accuracy to within 25%. And last is the feasibility study that describes what the project will be with an even tighter cost accuracy band, and that's often the basis for project finance. So on August 4, we published two new studies, a PFS for NORI d and a new IA that covers the rest of the resource in NORI and TOML. Together, these two studies should give you a good sense of what our first project should be in the NoriDay area and what the rest of the resource can be in terms of economics. So taking a step back and looking at the geographical areas that each study covers, the PFS covers NoriD, the IA covers everything else, but neither study covers the additional ground that we've applied for under The US law where we know we have priority right.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

And our management team estimates these areas to have approximately 300,000,000 tons of exploration potential given the proximity to NORI D and Tamalev areas where we do have quite a bit of exploration data. So the results as of the 2025, a total combined project billion dollars comprised of an NPV of 5,500,000,000.0 that an additional 18,100,000,000.0 on NPV for everything else. So let's zoom in a little bit on the feasibility study or PFS. The estimated amount of recoverable nodules for this study is 164,000,000 wet tons. Assumed production start date is q four twenty twenty seven with a life of mine just over eighteen years.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

Annual production in steady state was modeled at 10,800,000 tons of wet nodules and steady state for the PFS is defined as the years 2031 through 02/1943. Offshore, this level of steady state production is going to require four converted drillships, and onshore we assume processing in existing RKEFs, rotary kiln electric arc furnaces in Asia, and then building refining capacity in The United States. We expect to start relatively small towards the 2027, then gradually renameplate capacity before adding a second vessel in 02/1930, and then ramping up to steady state with four vessels by 02/1931, hitting our nameplate capacity of 12,000,000 tons per year in a few of the years of production, but again, on average during that steady state, 10,800,000 tons per annum. We expect to generate almost $600 per dry ton of nodules during steady state production. As one might expect, it's not a smooth line.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

Prior to the construction of US refineries, the revenue per dry ton will be a bit lower, a bit less than $500 per ton in 02/1932, for example. And then by the end of the 2030s, with two US refineries running, expected revenue per ton is approximately $640. Overall, the revenue mix is expected to be quite similar to what we shared with the market over the last several years based on the initial assessment on NORED from 2021. 45% of revenue coming from nickel products, 28% from manganese, 17% from copper, and at nine percent, cobalt is the smallest contributor to revenue. So where does all of that put TMT on the cost curve?

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

Well, including the valuable byproducts, which are estimated to account for about 55% of total revenue, our C1 nickel cash costs are just over $1,000 per ton. That's lower than nearly all producers outside of Russia, including most Indonesian producers. Even on an all in sustaining cost basis, our nickel costs including by product credits would be just over $2,500 per ton. Said simply, we will be profitable in nearly any nickel price environment. With steady state revenue per dry ton of just under $600 and opex per ton of $340 which also accounts for corporate overhead and royalties, we arrive at our EBITDA margin per ton expected to be about 43% or two fifty four dollars per ton during the steady state years defined as 2031 to 02/1943.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

During that time, of course, we expect to transition from mainly selling mat from Asia to then selling higher value refined products like nickel sulfate, cobalt sulfate, and copper cathode in The United States. So the early 2030s would see EBITDA margins in the low 30s, but by 2040 that EBITDA margin is closer to 50%. And this anticipated ramp up in profitability makes it worthwhile to spend on the onshore refinery CapEx after we begin production, while also taking a huge step towards helping The US establish mineral independence. So how are we going to develop these commercially viable operations? Well, the March 2021 initial assessment for an OED envisioned 7,000,000,000 of upfront CapEx, of which 2,200,000,000.0 was for offshore vessel CapEx.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

For the pre feasibility study, we've been able to bring that offshore pre production number down to less than 500,000,000 for the offshore component. And where possible, we've assumed contracting the services we need and only deploying capex where without deploying capex ourselves we wouldn't be able to get the service. And as a result, our development capex assumes for $4,400,000,000 onshore for construction of the refining capacity to match the offshore production. This approach ensures that we can deliver critical products to The US as contemplated by NOAA regulations while significantly increasing our payables by producing a higher value product, again, nickel sulfate, cobalt sulfate, before any US refineries are built, we have an opportunity to either give off take to Korea zinc for alloy and mat on the condition that processed materials are returned to The US or we control through their facility and return process materials to The US ourselves. Because we've not yet developed the definitive agreements with Korea zinc, some of the production is left at the alloy and mat level.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

And as far as US refining capacity, well, we're aiming to build that together and many of the meetings that Jared talked about and many that we expect to occur in the coming months are to give that effect. But as I said earlier this month during the strategy day, we're not gonna bite off more than we can chew and we do expect to be in production and producing significant revenue prior to greenlighting any such onshore spending. In fact, approximately $4,200,000,000 of this $4,400,000,000 onshore CapEx estimate is assumed to be spent in the 2030s, well after we've been in production for some time, generating significant revenue. Moving on to the initial assessment, that second study shows the potential of the resource beyond NORI D, effectively the rest of NORI and TOML. The estimated amount of recoverable nodules for the initial assessment is 670,000,000 tons wet.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

Assumed production start date is 2037 with the life of mine of twenty three years. This initial assessment assumes contracted services offshore with eight production vessels each equipped with three collectors at 20 meters each. So putting it all together, adding up the NPV of 18,100,000,000.0 for the IA and 5,500,000,000.0 for the pre feasibility study, we arrived at the total estimated resource NPV of $23,600,000,000 and over the life of both projects on an undiscounted basis, revenue of approximately $369,000,000,000 an EBITDA in excess of 200,000,000,000, and a position in the first quartile of the cost curve that makes this model very difficult to break across any commodity cycle. And yet, despite the undeniable quality and size of this resource and our expected position in the first quartile of the cost curve, we feel we remain undervalued compared to peer developers and explorers. On the left side of this page, you'll see a TNC valuation example, which again is purely for illustrative purposes.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

Using a slight premium to the upper end of the nickel developer and explorer valuations and you apply that to the NPV of 5,500,000,000.0, which keep in mind, in that we expect to have a more defensible cost curve position and generally lower CapEx per ton than many of those peers, And then you add to that the average nickel developer explorer valuation multiplied by the initial assessment NPV, you get to a total illustrative market value based on comps of approximately $10,000,000,000 which would be over $20 per share. From there, you can see on the right side of this page what nickel or copper producers trade at as a multiple of net asset value, and this shows the potential for multiple expansion as production approaches and then begins. So moving on to our liquidity profile. At June 30, TMC had pro form a cash of approximately 120,000,000. Now the headline in our filings from both our press release and our 10 Q was 115,800,000.0, but that 120,000,000 includes the final registered direct offering proceeds, warrant exercises, and unsecured credit facility payments made just a few days after quarter end.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

So by July 4, was a 120,000,000. And as we disclosed last quarter, our S3 shelf registration statement capacity has been used and current ATM expires in the fourth quarter of this year. So again, TNC expects to refresh the S3 and ATM before year end as a matter of good corporate housekeeping. The ATM was last used on 04/17/2025. And this was prior to the second quarter strategic capital raises.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

On to the financial results. In the 2025, TMT reported a net loss of $74,300,000 or 20¢ per share compared to a net loss of 20,200,000.0 or 6¢ per share for the same period 2024. The net loss for the 2025 included exploration and evaluation expenses of 10,500,000.0 versus $12,400,000 in Q2 twenty twenty four, general and administrative expenses of $11,500,000 versus $7,900,000 in q two twenty twenty four, and other items totaling 52,300,000.0 versus a slight gain in q two twenty twenty four. Exploration and evaluation expenses decreased by 1,900,000 in the 2025 compared to the same period in 2024, primarily due to a decrease in mining, technological, and process development activities, partially offset by an increase in share based comp due to the amortization of the fair value of restricted stock units and options granted to officers in the 2024. G and A expenses increased by $3,600,000 in the 2025 compared to the 2024 mainly due to an increase in share based compensation as a result of the amortization of the fair value of RSUs and options granted to directors and officers in the second quarter of last year, as well as an increase in consulting costs pursuant to The US regulatory path and other financing activities.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

Other items significantly impacted the net loss in the 2025 include the NARU warrant costs, change in the fair value of warrant liability, and foreign exchange movements. Moving on to free cash flow. Free cash flow for the 2025 was negative 10,700,000.0 compared to negative 12,200,000.0 in the 2024. Net cash used in operating activities was 10,700,000.0 for the second quarter, primarily due to higher payments to campaign eight vendors in the comparative period and this was partially offset by an increase in environmental payments. Free cash flow is a non GAAP measure and I would like to point you to the non GAAP reconciliation table included in the slide deck on our website.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

We do believe that the cash on hand is going to be more than sufficient to meet working capital and CapEx requirements for at least the next twelve months from today. In the 2025, of course, had a significant increase in the cash balance following the receipt of funds of 85,200,000.0 from the Korea's Inc. Partnership, thirty five million net proceeds from the registered direct offering, 14,800,000.0 from the ATM use in the first half of the year, and 6,900,000.0 from various stock option and warrant exercises. A portion of these proceeds was used to repay the 7,500,000.0 AllSeas working capital loan along with outstanding interest prior to its maturity. Our accounts payable and accrued liabilities balance as at 06/30/2025 was 47,100,000.0 and this includes 32,400,000.0 owed to ALLSIES for various services provided, again the majority of which can be settled in equity at TMC's discretion.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

The significant increase in warrant liability is due to the increase in the fair value of private warrants, reflecting the significant increase in the company's share price. So with that, operator, we'll turn it back over to you and take some questions from those on the line.

Operator

As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question at this time, please press 11 on your touch tone phone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press 11 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q and A roster. Our first question comes from Jake Sekelsky with Alliance Global Partners.

Jake Sekelsky
MD and Head - Metals & Mining Research at Alliance Global Partners

Hey, Jared and Craig. Thanks for taking the questions. Of course. Hey, Jake. How are you?

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

Hi, Jake.

Jake Sekelsky
MD and Head - Metals & Mining Research at Alliance Global Partners

Good. Thank you. So now that the PFS is out, can you just comment or provide some color on on what work needs to be done in order to get through the feasibility level and maybe the timeline there?

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

Yeah, look, I think the biggest thing that we're going to focus on is getting to our final agreement with our partner, Allsys. Now that we see a clear regulatory path through The United States, the next step is really not just focusing on feasibility, but getting ourselves to the, you know, FID, the investment decision to begin ordering some of the longer lead time items to allow us to hit our target of q four twenty twenty seven production date. So it's been this interesting dance, this balance between not wanting to spend too early, certainly when the PMC valuation was much lower, but now that we see clarity, making sure that we give sufficient ammo, not just to ALCEs, not just to ourselves, not just to the board, but also to the market, to make clear that we expect a permit to be coming and therefore it makes sense to begin spending a little bit to get that production system ready to go. So I would say, Jake, that's probably the number one important point. We also intend, of course, over the coming months to, think through the financing mix of going beyond this first vessel and ensuring that we explore every opportunity that is now being presented by the US government.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

As you've probably seen, there's quite a bit more in terms of funding opportunities from various departments, whether it's within Department of Defense, DFC, Ex I'm Bank, Department of Energy, there was the 1,000,000,000 allocated for Critical Minerals just this week, so we're going to be very busy again with partners such as AllSeas, Korea Zinc, and potentially the US government laying out what that timeline is going to be, but really focusing on that first vessel is priority number one.

Jake Sekelsky
MD and Head - Metals & Mining Research at Alliance Global Partners

Okay. That's helpful. And then on the permitting side of things under NOAA, now now that you're in the certification stage, what are the next major steps or milestones that we should keep an eye out for as we head into the second half of the year in in 2026?

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

Well, I guess, the the closing of the comment period, and, you know, I think the administration and NOAA have made it very clear that they have introduced changes to those regulations to allow fast tracking of permitting. And so I think what you should look forward to is good news coming out of the regulator. And I must say, considering this is the first live application that they've had in many years or first new application, NOAA had been amazing. I think they are motivated and excited about the work that comes with this application. And, of course, these rules of DSHMA have been around for decades.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

And finally, the moment is here. And so I think what you can expect to see is, you know, those amended changes adopted, and you can expect us, to be you know, having a a regular cadence. Would I say we are in daily contact with our regulator? Probably. Yep.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

Probably daily. And and so, you know, of course, the big part is permitting based on the environmental impact study. And, of course, we've spent, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars and more than a decade gathering that data, which is amazingly compelling. And And so, look, we expect to have, you know, more information to be sharing with not only the regulator, but the broader public as, you know, we make that information available because, you know, what I can tell you is it's all good news there. So I guess from a NOAA perspective, just more permanent uncertainty.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

And they want to see this resource in production. You saw the Critical Minerals Czar David Copley travel to the Cook Islands recently. We had a tremendous reception at the White House, where they received not only Korea Zinc and their team led by their chairman, but also the Republic Of Nauru. And, you know, the message that they are consistently saying is critical minerals are important, and seabed minerals are super important, and The United States want to lead that race. And, obviously, we are the most advanced in that category, so it's a perfect coming together.

Jake Sekelsky
MD and Head - Metals & Mining Research at Alliance Global Partners

Fair enough. Okay. That's all on my end. Thanks again.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

Thanks, Jake.

Operator

Our next question comes from Heiko Ihle with H. C. Wainwright.

Heiko Ihle
MD - Senior Metals & Mining Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.

Hey, thanks for taking my questions and thanks for inviting me to your Investor Day earlier this month. I like how the karaoke session came up on this call.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

Hopefully, no photos or video, but, thank you for attending, Heiko.

Heiko Ihle
MD - Senior Metals & Mining Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.

Allegedly. You're still calling for you're still calling for first production in '27 in your remarks premier remarks here. Was listed in the presentation. As you know from the reports we've written, we think this is a doable timeline. In your view, what main factors could either accelerate or slow down this progress in your view, you know, like some societal regulatory factors that may not be quite as obvious to outsiders like me that don't talk to the government and the communities, you know, on a daily, weekly basis.

Heiko Ihle
MD - Senior Metals & Mining Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.

And, is there maybe anything that you would leave us with on how to build our models a little bit more accurately?

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

Look. I don't think the government will give us anything other than encouragement for that date. And, what we announced to the marketplace was that that timetable will take about two years, but clearly, we are receiving enough encouragement from the administration and the regulator for our board of directors to start deploying that capital. And I must say, with the right rigors in place and for those people that were able to review our very qualified board of directors around these topics, people like Andy Gregg, who built more than $500,000,000,000 worth of capital projects in the resources space over his career at Bechtel. We have a lot of expertise on that board that understand how to allocate capital and how to provide governance around that.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

So what I can tell you is that we've got a very supportive board of spending that money carefully, and we've got an amazing partner in Allseas who are equally committed to getting that boat into production. And we've also got an administration who want us to get moving. And so I think I don't see anything on the regulatory side that should influence that. Of course, there are supply chain issues, but, you know, that's what our job at Altis as our partner there, you know, that's that's our job to manage that. And Yep.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

You know, getting into production during the forty seventh administration. Hello? Hello? During the forty seventh administration is super important. And so sorry, I got disconnected for a minute.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

So so I think all of the risks are just normal business risks at HICA, and I think we're well equipped to be able to handle handle those along with our partners. Fair enough.

Heiko Ihle
MD - Senior Metals & Mining Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.

Building on that last question just a little bit. Earlier on this call, you were talking about adapt or die, adapt or die. And I agree with your viewpoint of having, you know, a white moat around the business, and you alluded to that as well earlier on this call. Just thinking out loud here, given, you know, all the geopolitical risk factors, and some of that was discussed earlier this month as well, is there anything in particular that keeps you up at night or anything in particular where things have just come in, you know, substantially better than you anticipate? I mean, because from the way we look at it, a lot of things were discussed earlier this month where, you know, the support was substantially stronger than what anyone would have envisioned.

Heiko Ihle
MD - Senior Metals & Mining Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.

I mean, you literally had some of the government representatives present with you, at the hotel.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

Look, I think there's been a lot of surprises to the upside, Heiko. And I think we knew some of the cabinet when they were in opposition, of course. And so when the Trump administration came into being, it was very encouraging for us to find people like Secretary Rubio take such a prominent role in the cabinet because he had written letters and opined on this topic on our behalf while in opposition, as had many others in the cabinet. And so we knew the support was there, but sometimes you just sometimes you get surprised. And then we turn up at the White House, and we're invited to the White House very regularly.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

And you turn up there like we did last week, and you find a room filled with all of the major departments that have the ability to contribute, because the strong leadership coming out of the White House is saying, we want this to happen. And by the way, you'll you'll notice every agency that can help you make it happen is in the room. What do we need to do? And then, of course, you know, a surprise to the upside is to find Careers Inc, who, when I I first met their chairman, was not convinced about The USA investment opportunity, but was very keen to get our material to supply his Korean facility, but over time has become absolutely convinced that he can play such an important role in supporting the critical mineral needs of this administration in The United States. And he also produces some critical minerals that the US administration really wants, like antimony and gallium.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

And so I'd say they're pleasant surprises on the upside, just how the administration is mobilizing, how they want this to happen. And I had the chairman with me last week from Careers Inc, we asked the administration, are you at all worried about some of the criticism? And they're like, not at all. Like, it's clear we need to secure the supplies of these critical minerals for decades to come. And, of course, they have experts who've been appointed, and that's I think one of the encouraging things about this administration is that they have experts throughout that administration.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

The political appointees that are taking the reins you know, are moving. I've I've never seen a group of people other than my own team work as hard. And, you know, senior director Copley had just returned from a quick visit to the Cook Islands. Two days to get there, two days back, he reminded me in the back of the bus for a day on the ground just so he could express the administration's support for this new industry. And so, yeah, I'd say they're all really positive surprises for the upside, Heiko.

Heiko Ihle
MD - Senior Metals & Mining Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.

Fair enough. I will stop talking to question queue, and thanks for taking my questions. Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Matthew O'Keefe with Cantor Fitzgerald.

Matthew O'Keefe
Senior Research Analyst at Cantor Fitzgerald

Thanks, operator. Afternoon, Jared and Greg and Just a question here on the feasibility studies, particularly for the PFS there. Looked very good, and we had some discussions on it. But I was just wondering, there is a capital sorry, there's about a $492,000,000 CapEx to get you into the production that was outlined in the feasibility study. So I'm just wondering, I know in the past and you've all seas because they're taking care of most of the ships and such are have taken a big part of that.

Matthew O'Keefe
Senior Research Analyst at Cantor Fitzgerald

Do you have an idea of how that might be split among your partners, and will it and, you know, when we might get a sense of that?

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

Yeah, sure, Matt. In terms of that $4.92 and sort of the assumptions that go into it in a pre feasibility study, there is, you know, allowance for contingencies, you know, some buffers, specific growth. There are elements in there that, you know, for a point in time relatively conservative analysis may not ultimately end up being something that has to be cash flow out the door between now and commercial production. What I would say in terms of bridging to here's the breakdown of what's TMC, what's ALCS, you know, we've had the assumption now with our partner ALCS for several years of splitting that pre production CapEx, which, you know, we do believe is going to be much smaller ultimately than what was in the PFS, but this is what we're all drawing our eyes to now with our, you know, PFS and IA release, with the strategy day behind us, with the applications over the line, and now with a pretty clear path from The US regulatory front. That gives confidence to us on all to sharpen the pencils again and and, you know, make sure that we hammer out those details.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

So I think it would still be a little bit premature to give a more detailed breakdown on it, but suffice it to say that it's a priority for us and for them as well. And I think that's evidenced by the fact that, you know, the ALC's founder Edward Hirima and Stephanie Hirima, you know, came over for the Strategy Day and, you know, spent a lot of time talking to analysts and investors on that panel, kind of laying out why they've stuck with TMC through what have been some difficult times and, you know, have been key participants in nearly every major equity raise that we've done as a public company and even before that.

Matthew O'Keefe
Senior Research Analyst at Cantor Fitzgerald

Yeah, know you definitely got a lot of support in the work with your partners and your investor base, which seems to be growing. Just to follow on that, though, you mentioned earlier in the call about, you know, the Department of Energy, Department of Defense, other US US institutions that are do have a lot of money now allocated for critical metals. Are you in the are have you looked at though I'm assuming you've looked at those programs, but are you actually applying for any and would any of those monies be available or at least applicable to this first part of of the, like, the ramp up, or would that all have to go towards sort of US processing capability?

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

I'm glad you asked that, and, you know, it's a great clarification. The answer is it's not just necessarily for funding the onshore component, but there are certain programs that can have cash available for the offshore side as well. Now some of those programs, it's really it's not quite the same as it was in the Biden administration where a lot of focus was downstream, but there were various programs that you go through a long application process and you might not hear for nine months. Here it's a lot more all hands on deck and perhaps it can be chaotic sometimes, but you get to the right answer, at least you get to the right people a lot quicker. The reality is that even beyond DOD and DOE, there are certain programs where, you know, the folks who would be controlling the purse strings aren't yet even confirmed, and that confirmation is likely to occur in September or October.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

So a lot of these conversations are gonna ripen, but the answer is absolutely yes. We are pursuing, you know, potential dollars that could be made available for the offshore side as well. So we don't wanna say too much on that because obviously, you know, this is a path we've been pursuing for a long time, but I would say it's now about just, hey, let's fill up the application. This is one of the reasons, frankly, that, you know, it perhaps wasn't as noted noticed over the course of summer, but I believe it was late June that there was an adjustment to the way funding is done within the US government. It's not just one applicant goes to DOE and DOD or DFC and EXIM and you do it all separately, rather there's a coordination among the National Energy Dominance Council, which of course David Copley was one of the key people in for a long time and now is in the National Security Council.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

The same people are really overseeing all of the programs. So it's less about sort of a very dogmatic which program you're replying to and fingers crossed you get some response many months later. Here, it's much more coordinated and, I think, much more intentional. So the answer is yes, both offshore and onshore, and, yes, we're pursuing all of these concurrently.

Matthew O'Keefe
Senior Research Analyst at Cantor Fitzgerald

That sounds promising. And if I may, just one last little one here just to follow on that. I know you've got a lot to do between now and ramping up, but just, you you did cite, like, in the mid 2030s or early 2030s to get a processing plant. If monies were available, because, you know, that it would be a a quite a quite a a boon for The US to have some processing capability of the hydromet nature that you guys are looking at. Could what would sort of be could you go quicker on that?

Matthew O'Keefe
Senior Research Analyst at Cantor Fitzgerald

I mean or do you still have a lot of, work to do vis a vis engineering and, you know, development for your for your process plant?

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

No. We could absolutely go quicker. And, you know, that's that's the significance of having Korea's Inc. Involvement. You know, they've just built a state of the art, facility in Korea, and, so they'd like to come and build that here in The United States.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

And from our perspective, we'd like to see that on the ground, providing the money was the right terms were available from those agencies that Craig has mentioned. And we think it would be a boom to support the reindustrialization ambitions for The United States. And, Matt, you know better than anyone, if it ain't grown, it's mined. We're all talking about bits, of course, because AI has everyone's attention, but we need to be thinking about atoms as well. We need to build the infrastructure, and for that, you need metals.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

And the question is where are they going to come from? And I wish we were as sexy as the AI industry, but our time is coming because people are starting to talk about this and as being the part of the equation that has been a little bit overlooked. And, of course, it's become a very hot geopolitical issue, and we're starting to see smart money move into it. And, you know, of course, the administration is going to lead that pathway. We saw them do a very, interesting deal with MP recently, MP Materials, and, you know, I think we're gonna be seeing them do a lot more like that.

Matthew O'Keefe
Senior Research Analyst at Cantor Fitzgerald

Yep. Totally agree. Alright. Thanks very much.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

Thank you, Alex. Our

Operator

next question comes from Dmitry Silverstein with Water Tower Research.

Dmitry Silversteyn
Senior Research Analyst at Water Tower Research LLC

Excuse me. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Thank you for taking my call. Hi, Eugene. Just a quick, follow-up or maybe not a follow-up clarification.

Dmitry Silversteyn
Senior Research Analyst at Water Tower Research LLC

You didn't include it in these slides, but in your Investor Day slides, you had a more detailed timeline, and you had something called provisional approval, which you expect to get by the end of this year, if I remember correctly, the slide, and then the final approval kind of by the 2026 to let you get into production in '27. What's the what's the sort of the difference between provisional approval and final approval and thus getting provisional approval do anything from you for you in terms of expediting the decision making process on on funding the the first batch of capital expenditures, or how should we think about that milestone approaching?

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

Look. The administration had been very, open on this topic and because there are some hoops we need to hop through. And, you know, what has been made very clear to us is that if the administration came and just gave us a permit today, then we'd be tied up in legal knots, and we may not achieve the objective that was set out in the executive order, and that is to fast track the permitting. And so the legal minds have opined on this, and it makes sense. And so what we've said, though, is it would be nice if we could have something, and hence that word provisional, that would give all of us the confidence.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

However, I think it's fair to say that our board and as you know, we've raised quite a bit of money in the last quarter and our board and our investors want to see you spend that money because they feel there is enough confidence coming out of the signals we have from the administration to get that permit in fine time. But, you know, the the dates we mentioned at Strategy Day still stick. You know, we think we'll have that in a form to share by the end of the year. And, you know, it's but but it'll it'll be a confidence booster, you might say, Dmitry.

Dmitry Silversteyn
Senior Research Analyst at Water Tower Research LLC

Understood. Okay. That that's helpful, Jared. Thank you. Can you talk a little bit about, you mentioned that a couple of times during the call about the changing regulations that NOAA has written and has published and now they're in the common period, I guess, that's closing. What, you know, you talk about it being helpful in expediting approval processes, but specifically to your project, what do you think that these new regulations can do in terms of getting you online in getting the approval?

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

Well, the main one is that the way the regulations, stood, you needed to submit a exploration application. And then, once that was granted, you know, they would start working on your commercial recovery permit. But the key driver will be to be able to do those two things in tandem, because as you know, we submitted two applications for exploration licenses, and we submitted one application for a commercial recovery permit. And so whilst that application is with the agency, the changes will just put in stone the fact that they can do those things in tandem, and they will massively shrink the permitting timeframe.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

Yeah. And just to clarify too, Dmitry, in reading the plain language, of DSHRA and the implementing regulations, it was always our read that, you know, yes, the exploration license grants would have to come prior to the grant to the CRP, but the plain language is clear that the applications or at least the review process could be concurrent. So, what we think is ongoing with the public comment period and the proposed amendments is really a confirmation of something that really already made pure common sense, especially for some applicants like TMC where much of the environmental work for the exploration site has already been done. Beyond that too, there's some helpful amendments in terms of just modernizing, you know, these rules that were put in place in the nineteen eighties in terms of delivery of physical copies, in terms of ensuring that, you know, the contractor who's done much of the environmental work is able to write that environmental impact statement as opposed to, you know, sort of putting that work on a silver platter and then having, you know, the writing being done, let's say by NOAA, in fact that was actually a clarification that came through the NEPA process even before this in 2023.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

So it's really just as they say on sort of the Federal Register, which is compiling comments, it's a modernization of a lot of that great work that was done, but it is pretty amazing. When you look at the DSHRA legislation and then the implementing regulations and then you compare it to what the ISA had begun working on in the nineteen nineties and beyond, they're really taking a lot of the great work and great ideas that came originally from this US seabed mining code. So, it was in very good shape and now we're just kind of tidying it up or Noah's tidying it up around the edges to make sure that it can be more modern, more commercial, and clarifying the concurrent reprocess that Jared laid out.

Dmitry Silversteyn
Senior Research Analyst at Water Tower Research LLC

Got it. Thank you, Craig. Thank you for that great clarity. That's all the question I have. Thank you.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

We have nothing else in the phone queue. There was one question on the webcast from Nelson Sellers. Can the administration halt mining operations? Well, think that goes back to one of the reasons that, you know, we are going through this very robust and clear legal process and make sure that we're not skipping over any steps to ensure that, you know, this permit is legally defensible for decades to come. Very similar to any land based mining operation where so long as the process itself was followed and all of the necessary permits were granted under the authorities actually, provided to whoever that particular regulator was, it's a situation where you can ensure that just a change in administration isn't going to somehow alter the legal validity of that permit.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

Of course, we don't view this as a left versus right issue, no matter who the next administration is going to be. Critical minerals is bipartisan and it's not even US versus China, it's really a recognition that The US is dependent on a lot of different sources for critical minerals and TMC can take three of those dependencies off the table just from the NoriD project. So this mineral independence issue is not something where we expect any future administration is going to somehow decide, you know what, we're okay with being dependent on Chinese or Chinese funded sources for some of these metals. So we anticipate that this legal process is going to be very robust and that's one of the reasons that it's important to let it play out. Liz, is there anything else on the phone line? Any other questions that we have?

Operator

No phone line questions at this time.

Craig Shesky
Craig Shesky
CFO at TMC the metals company

Jared, I might turn it back over to you for some closing comments.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

Yeah. Thank you, Greg. Well, I guess, thank you, everyone, for turning up today. Thank you to my team for the amazing efforts to be able to produce these results over recent months. It's truly admirable what we achieve with a tight, small team.

Gerard Barron
Gerard Barron
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at TMC the metals company

And, of course, thank you to our strategic partners and our sponsoring states, and, thanks, importantly, to all of our shareholders. And until next time.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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