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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Freightcar America EPS ResultsActual EPSN/AConsensus EPS $0.14Beat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/AFreightcar America Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected Revenue$118.64 millionBeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AFreightcar America Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2025Date8/4/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, August 5, 2025Conference Call Time11:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Freightcar America Q2 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 5, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: Strong margin expansion to 15% gross margin (up 250 bps year-over-year) and a 20 bp adjusted EBITDA margin increase underscore improved operational efficiency. Positive Sentiment: Generated fifth consecutive quarter of positive operating cash flow, closing Q2 with $61.4 million cash on hand and no borrowings under its revolving credit facility. Positive Sentiment: Backlog rose by approximately 300 units to 3,624 railcars, driven largely by rebuilds and conversions that leverage the company’s flexible manufacturing model. Negative Sentiment: Second-quarter deliveries (939 units) and revenues ($118.6 million) declined year-over-year amid production timing differences and softer order timing. Negative Sentiment: Industry forecasts for 2025 new railcar deliveries have been revised downward, reflecting a moderated replacement cycle and heightened economic uncertainty. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallFreightcar America Q2 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xThere are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to FreightCar America's second quarter twenty twenty five earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. For those of you participating on the conference call, there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions at the end of today's prepared comments. Please note this conference is being recorded. An audio replay of the conference will be available on the company's website within a few hours after this call. Operator00:00:36I would now like to turn the call over to Chris Ode with Riverton Investor Relations. Over to you, Chris. Speaker 100:00:44Thank you, and welcome. Joining me today are Nick Randall, president and chief executive officer Mike Riordan, Chief Financial Officer and Matt Tonn, Chief Commercial Officer. I'd like to remind everyone that statements made during this conference call related to the company's expected future performance, future business prospects or future events or plans may include forward looking statements as defined under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Participants are directed to FreightCar America's Form 10 ks for a description of certain business risks, some of which may be outside of the control of the company that may cause actual results to materially differ from those expressed in the forward looking statements. We expressly disclaim any duty to provide updates to our forward looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Speaker 100:01:33During today's call, there will also be a discussion of some items that do not conform to U. S. Generally Accepted Accounting Principles or GAAP. Reconciliations of these non GAAP measures to their most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in the earnings release issued yesterday afternoon. Our earnings release for the second quarter twenty twenty five is posted on the company's website, afreightcaramerica.com, along with our eight ks, which was filed premarket this morning. Speaker 100:01:57With that, let me now turn the call over to Nick for a few opening remarks. Speaker 200:02:02Thank you, Chris. Good morning, everyone, and thank you all for joining us today. I am proud to share another quarter of strong performance of FreightCar America, marked by execution and resilience as we expanded our margins through operational efficiency and delivered solid profitability. This quarter also marks our fifth consecutive quarter of positive operating cash flow generation, finishing Q2 with over $61,000,000 of cash on hand. While we have maintained strong commercial momentum with orders, adding 300 units to our healthy backlog for the year, despite a challenging industry backdrop. Speaker 200:02:42Gross margins for the quarter expanded to 15% on nine thirty nine deliveries, up from 12.5% on eleven fifty nine deliveries a year ago. Adjusted EBITDA margins increased 20 basis points compared to the prior year and we generated adjusted free cash flow of $7,900,000 While revenues and deliveries were lower year over year, we have continued to utilize our lanes of lines effectively and deliver increased profitability as these strong results demonstrate the effectiveness of our manufacturing strategy and the operational commitments of our team. On the commercial side, our broad product portfolio and value added solutions continue to prove themselves as competitive differentiators. We secured twelve twenty six new orders in the quarter, largely driven by rebuilds and conversions. These orders increased our backlog to 3,624 units, up approximately 300 units from the prior quarter. Speaker 200:03:40Though the dollar value of the backlog remains stable, reflecting a higher proportion of rebuild and conversion work. Importantly, rebuilds and conversions continue to deliver excellent value for our customers in these market conditions. This type of work exemplifies the strength of our flexible manufacturing model, enabling us to adjust quickly to customer needs while maintaining healthy profitability. Operationally, we continue to run all four production lines throughout the quarter, improving productivity and supporting high throughput even at a lower volume of deliveries. This operational flexibility, which has been a hallmark of our approach, remains a key advantage allowing us to meet evolving demand and keep lead times competitive. Speaker 200:04:23Turning to the broader industry, the replacement cycle has moderated and industry forecast for new railcar deliveries have been revised downward for 2025. However, we remain well positioned, thanks to the diversity of our business model and our agile manufacturing presence. We continue to see strong order momentum and inquiries in our pipeline are reaffirming our outlook for the remainder of the year. Our nimble, vertically integrated model enables us to take market share and respond faster than our peers. These dynamics will position us to benefit meaningfully when new build activity picks back up. Speaker 200:05:03We also continue to invest in the business to strengthen our foundation for future growth. This quarter, we announced a capital investment in our tank car retrofit program as we accelerate our capability expansion and vertical integration of key components within the manufacturing process to provide our customers with the product quality and reliability they demand. We expect this initiative to continue to enhance our margin profile and create long term value as the tank car program ramps up over the next several years. In short, we are executing well, delivering on our commitments and continuing to strengthen the foundation of our business. I am proud of what we have accomplished this quarter and I'm excited about the opportunities ahead. Speaker 200:05:46With that, I'll turn it over to Matt to walk through our commercial operations in more detail. Speaker 300:05:51Thank you, Nick, and good morning, everyone. For the second consecutive quarter, we continued to see consistent inquiry level activity and conversion to orders. During the second quarter, we booked orders for twelve twenty six railcars valued at $107,000,000 This order intake represents back to back quarters with a book to bill ratio of 1.3 and further supports that our purpose built commercial strategy of engineering, manufacturing, and delivering high quality railcars resonate with our broad customer base. Our commercial strategy is focused on maintaining share, while remaining responsive to changing market conditions. As new railcar demand softens and customers seek a real rebuild or conversion option, we leverage our expertise and flexible plant operations, providing value and optionality to our customers. Speaker 300:06:42Railcar conversions has been a foundational component of our heritage with over 15,000 conversions and rebodies completed in the last twenty years. Further, our tank car retrofit program and plant readiness is advancing and on track for primary production beginning in 2026. This added capability coupled with our modern manufacturing infrastructure serves as a key competitive advantage, providing value to our customers, a flexible mix of new car production conversions and rebuilds and solid gross margin returns. From an industry perspective, we are beginning to see a softer new railcar demand environment due in large part to uncertainties around tariff policies. Although we view these economic realities as short lived, they are affecting customer order timing, and we do expect that total twenty twenty five industry deliveries will fall below the previously expected 40,000 units per year average. Speaker 300:07:38It is important to note, with over 160,000 railcars projected to reach their mandated retirement in the next four and a half years, we fully expect overall industry annual demand to fall within the 35,000 to 40,000 range. Despite short term extended decision cycles in certain freight segments, our team continues to drive steady quote volume by emphasizing versatility, value and delivery certainty. Looking ahead, we remain committed to driving high value opportunities that align with our customers dynamic needs. We continue to prioritize margin performance, manufacturing flexibility and a diversified order book, all factors that we believe will set us apart in moderating demand environment. With that, I'll turn it over to Mike for comments on our financial performance. Speaker 300:08:28Mike? Speaker 400:08:29Thanks, Matt, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to begin by sharing a few second quarter highlights. Consolidated revenues for the 2025 totaled $118,600,000 with deliveries of nine thirty nine railcars compared to $147,400,000 on deliveries of eleven fifty nine railcars in the 2024. Lower deliveries in revenue in the 2025 were primarily driven by producing railcars during the quarter that will deliver throughout the 2025. Gross profit in the 2025 was $17,800,000 with a gross margin of 15% compared to gross profit of $18,400,000 and gross margin of 12.5% in the second quarter of last year. Speaker 400:09:15Higher gross margin performance was driven primarily by a favorable product mix and increased production efficiency. SG and A for the 2025 totaled $10,100,000 up from $8,500,000 in the 2024. Excluding stock based compensation, SG and A as a percentage of revenue increased approximately two sixty basis points, primarily due to the timing of spend on various professional services. We expect SG excluding stock based compensation, to decrease in the second half of the year and normalize for the full year. In the 2025, we achieved adjusted EBITDA of $10,000,000 compared to $12,100,000 in the 2024, driven primarily by lower deliveries. Speaker 400:09:58Despite the lower volume of deliveries, adjusted EBITDA margin expanded by 20 basis points in the 2025 compared to the 2024. Adjusted net income for the 2025 was $3,800,000 or $0.11 per share compared to adjusted net income of $3,500,000 or $0.10 per share in the second quarter of last year. During the 2025, we recorded a non cash tax benefit of approximately $52,000,000 primarily due to the release of evaluation allowance on US deferred tax assets related to our historical net operating losses. This decision reflects our profitability over the past two years in The US, as well as our confidence in future profitability and taxable income generation in The US. This non cash benefit was partially offset by a $47,600,000 non cash adjustment to our warrant liability. Speaker 400:10:53As a reminder, the warrant liability adjustment accounted for in adjusted net income is a non cash item with no effect on shares outstanding or earnings per share calculations, reflecting only the valuation change of the warrant holders investment as our share price appreciated during the quarter. This quarter, we generated $8,500,000 in operating cash flow, marking our fifth consecutive quarter with positive cash flow from operations, our best in nearly twenty years. This is a testament to the collective FreightCar America team's efforts over the past several years to transform our business. Additionally, our adjusted free cash flow for the 2025 was approximately $20,400,000 reflecting the continued execution of our commercial strategy, operational discipline and more efficient capital structure. We closed the quarter with $61,400,000 cash on hand and no borrowings under our revolving credit facility. Speaker 400:11:47Capital expenditures for the second quarter totaled $600,000 For the full year 2025, we now expect capital expenditures to be in the range of 9,000,000 to $10,000,000 Approximately $4,000,000 is allocated to routine capital for ongoing operations. The remaining balance is growth capital for both our tank car retrofit program that begins next year, as well as future production of new tank cars. This quarter's increase in growth capital will vertically integrate aspects of our future operations and strengthen our position in the market. We anticipate that this additional investment will contribute an additional $6,000,000 of EBITDA over the next two years and be a meaningful contributor to gross margin expansion in future periods. Our strong cash flow generation and disciplined approach continues to support these growth investments, while keeping our financial position healthy, with trailing twelve month net leverage remaining around 1.2 times. Speaker 400:12:43Looking ahead, we're focused on ensuring that every dollar we invest supports scalable high return opportunities. With a healthy balance sheet and steady cash flow, we are well positioned to support future growth and deliver improved profitability. With that, we'll now open the line for questions and answers. Operator00:13:01Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star and 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. Operator00:13:22For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. Our first question comes from Mark Richemann with Noble Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:13:44Thank you. Compared to the prior year period, you know, railcar sales fell about 26% while aftermarket sales increased almost 61%. And I was just wondering how much of that is due to productive capacity being dedicated to custom fabrications versus the timing of rail orders within the year? And what are your expectations for the third and fourth quarters? Speaker 200:14:10Hey, Mark. Good morning. It's Nick. I'll answer that one and then Mike may do some follow-up on some of the timing issues of it. So I think, yes, a couple of things to unpack in that question. Speaker 200:14:21So in Q2, we did produce a higher volume than we shipped in Q2. We produced some products that were shipped in a subsequent quarter. So from a production perspective, we are siloed for our planning process leveled out, so that we don't have large swings in, labor up or down. So we really use or utilize our capacity, in an effective manner to drive our business. So that kind of really explains why there's a difference year on year, Q2 to Q2 in the volume shipped. Speaker 200:14:55So yes, you'd expect to see those shipped in a later quarter in the year, and see that sort of smooth off. I would just clarify though, our production capacity wouldn't be a constraint on sales. The customer demand dictates our sales rather than any capacity concerns. But the aftermarket piece, I'll let Mike add on to that, or Deep. Speaker 400:15:19Yeah. So on a quarter over quarter, we continue to expand our presence in the aftermarket. We're just seeing sales growth there, that we continue to like and see in the future. But to Nick's point, production was higher in the second quarter than you'll see in the delivery numbers with a balance of cars produced. And we'll deliver throughout the second half and you'll see that maintaining the full year delivery guidance, you'll see Q3 and Q4, we expect to be much higher deliveries than what you've seen in Q1 and Q2. Speaker 400:15:46And all that is simply timing to customer schedules on when they want to take cars. Speaker 500:15:52And second question is just manufacturing segment gross margins. If you look at them kind of historically, but in the first and second quarters 13.4%, 13.5%, while the aftermarket margins were 37.436.8%. So do you think the first and second quarters are indicative of forward gross margin expectations and how are the tank car retrofits expected to impact revenue and margin in 2026 and 2027? Speaker 200:16:25Well, I'll split that into two separate pieces, Mark. One is current year of 2025. And then the other one is future years. Typically, we don't make too many comments on future years, but we've mentioned tank car retrofits. We can talk a bit about the timing of that at least. Speaker 200:16:41So this year, the margins we've seen in Q1 and Q2 have been a mix between product mix and really accelerating our productivity, our operational productivity, at least on the whole goods sides, which being favorable for us. I would expect to see those carry through in Q2 and Q3, sorry, Q3 and Q4 for the balance of the year. So I don't expect to see too many changes from what we've demonstrated in Q1 and Q2. Certainly with the volume going up, you'll see the shipments go up, but the margins should stay pretty consistent. And as mentioned before, we try and we haven't been communicating large layoffs or changes in our organization. Speaker 200:17:26We've been able to be consistent in retaining that, well trained workforce so that we can build on the margins we get each quarter. So that's why I would just use that as a indicator of what Q3 and Q4 will look like and what the whole year will look like. As it comes to future years, we don't generally communicate on those. We do have the tank car retrofit program, which we've communicated. And, as Matt and Mike both commented in the prepared notes, that sort of starts, partway through 2026. Speaker 200:18:04Got a, I think last quarter you asked about a fifth line. We would look at our latest incoming order quantity is about 1,200 units a year each quarter, sorry, 1,200 units per quarter coming through. If we sustain quarters like that, then we'd obviously look to add that fifth line to produce those retrofits. And that would obviously alter the performance accordingly. But we'd know more about that as we enter into 2026 rather than sort of 2025, if that helps. Speaker 500:18:38No, it's very helpful. Thank you very much. Speaker 300:18:42Thanks, Matt. Thanks, Matt. Operator00:18:44Thank you. We have our next question from Aaron Reed with Northcoast Research. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:18:52Hi, Nick. Hi, Mike. Thanks for taking the question. So what we wanted to find a little bit more about, and I know you mentioned it was, you said the tank line is expected to add around 6,000,000 and EBITDA here in 2026 and 2027. I just want to make sure I heard that right, as well as if you could give a little more color around the timing of what that might look like would be helpful. Speaker 200:19:17Yes, just a clarification, you've got that it's 6,000,000 over two years, right? Two over Speaker 500:19:23two years, Speaker 200:19:23okay. So that's we've been talking about our plant will be ready to the tank car conversion program, in a matter of, months. And we will, the contract we have starts sort of mid to, 2026, and then leads over into 2027 as well. So, but we've got inquiries and other orders we may add to that, but the specific one that you referenced is really scheduled to start the back 2026. Speaker 600:20:04Perfect. Okay, that's helpful. And the other question I have is, I know there's been a lot of talk, especially with in terms of mergers between some of the Class one rail carriers. How is that expecting to impact you? Or is that kind of not really going to impact you one way or another? Speaker 600:20:22I'm getting a lot of questions on that. Speaker 200:20:26It's a difficult one to say for sure. Will it impact the industry? Would expect so. I expect there's a couple of things. One is I would expect to be some productivity and customer enhancements in the railroad industry. Speaker 200:20:40That will ultimately help railroads, just the industry overall, improve productivity, improve customer service levels always help, from that perspective. From a builder's perspective, what's good for rail is good for a builder. That's Speaker 600:20:58the Speaker 200:20:58way I always look at it. I think it's too early to say on any timing or orders or content or product types, that would still get to be seen. But I think it's, if there's an enhancement or improvement for customers and end users in rail, I think that rises a tide for the rail industry. It was the way I would look at it, but it is very early days, Aaron. It's not something that a lot of people have had a lot of time to digest and look at the true details behind it. Speaker 600:21:27Right, that makes sense. And then one more quick question is, one of the things that we're seeing a lot of interest in obviously, AI and the massive demand and uptick in energy needed. So it looks like there's been a bit of a resurgence in coal. And my understanding is a lot of those cars have been retired as the expectation was that coal is going to kind of fizzle out. Is there a potential for increased demand in either repairs or even maybe new opened up hoppers that might develop here in the next coming quarters or even year that wasn't necessarily expected a year Speaker 500:22:05or two ago? Or is Speaker 600:22:06there still would you think ample supply that means that wouldn't necessarily be required to get additional or repaired cars. Speaker 200:22:15Sure. I will make some comments on it, then I'll ask Matt and Mike maybe to comment on it as well. So just to put into context, I think for the entire railroad industry, coal is probably still the largest single commodity moved across the railroad networks in its own right. So coal is a very large proportion. And as you've mentioned prior to probably two years ago, it's been on a constant decline and a very predictable decline, from a usage perspective. Speaker 200:22:45So any change to that certainly would, be a positive for people who are involved in either repair, restoration or the extended life of units that are used to move coal. So, I think FreightCar America has one of the largest fleet of coal units, coal railcars out there. So, yes, so we would expect to see, we do see a lot more inquiries about extending the life of existing coal related assets, in the rail network, which is very helpful. I think it's too early to look at whether that would transpire into a new car build. I think there's a lot of rail assets dedicated to coal out there, but I don't know how close to the end of life they actually are and whether people would look to a conversion into coal or a conversion from coal. Speaker 200:23:43So I think the conversion piece is probably more where we would see activity on that. Obviously, we do a lot of conversions, so it's very beneficial for us. But in the near term, it's the extension of life from maintenance repairs and parts, which is clearly well within the remit of our aftermarket business, which feeds that industry. Speaker 600:24:10Great. Very helpful. Thank you. Operator00:24:13Thank you. We have our next question from Brendan McCarthy with Sidoti. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:24:23Great. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions here. I wanted to circle back to gross margins. I think that you had mentioned we should see a similar gross margin level of right around 50% for the back half of this year. Speaker 700:24:36Just wanted to look longer term. I know there's the 1,000 tank car conversion order in the backlog, obviously higher margin there. Speaker 400:24:44Do you Speaker 700:24:44see any reason why gross margins may step down from that 15% level long term? Speaker 200:24:51I'll take a stab at that to begin with Brendan, and then Mike can add any additional details. So there's a couple of things. So first of all, mix does play a large, influencers. So when you ask, when we look outside our, lead time window, it's hard to nail mix down. All I know from a planning and from an agile manufacturing perspective, we are confident and capable to adjust to whatever the customer demand is in the future. Speaker 200:25:25But, the margins will flex obviously predicated by mix. So that is somewhat unknown from a mix perspective. So when you look too far out, that's, difficult to sort of predict with any certainty. Would say there's no, we've got some nice pipelines and some nice inquiry levels. I think 15% is at the high end, which is nice. Speaker 200:25:54But, obviously we wouldn't work, maybe dilute that as well in the out period as well. You think about this year for the next two quarters that we finish for calendar year 2025, I think the biggest thing we look at is, our shipments will probably go up in Q3 and Q4 compared to what they've been in Q1 and Q2. We did build ahead in Q2 for some items that will ship in the second half of the year. I think that the margins will be similar. So it's going to depend on what ships and exactly when it ships in the Q3 and Q4. Speaker 200:26:33But it's really mix dependent with an underlying productivity enhancements, which we keep on driving, which is really influencing those gross margins most. Mike, anything to add? That Speaker 700:26:47makes sense. That's helpful, Nick. I appreciate the color there. And just looking at gross margin gains maybe year to date, I guess how much of that do you attribute to that manufacturing efficiency and how much do you attribute to just the product mix in general? Speaker 200:27:05It's difficult to split that out in an easy way. There are certain products that also have a manufacturing productivity mix that go with them, enhancement that go with them simply because of the length of the order, the size of the order and the volume rates we produce. I would say there's a generic trajectory that we're on productivity improvement, which incrementally improves our underlying operational productivity quarter on quarter, and that's predictable and reliable. And then you have the peaks and troughs of the product margin that ships at any given time, which, adds on to that. So I would, you know, operational productivity will continue to increase quarter over quarter as we offset any incremental pay rise improvements or inflation pressures. Speaker 200:28:07And then the product mix margins are really predicated by the product type. Now, if you think about out of this year, obviously we talked about tank cars and tank car retrofit, which generally have a more lucrative margin with them. So I expect it to go with that product to go up. But I generally they're trying to get it pin it down to which quarter which will ship which product in the out periods is a bit more difficult than just, looking at the market per se. Speaker 700:28:40That makes sense. I appreciate that. And one more question for me. I know you talked about an increase in growth CapEx as it relates to the tank car capabilities in your manufacturing. Just wondering if you could provide any color on the tank car conversion pipeline, maybe conversations that you're having with potential customers there. Speaker 700:28:58Just curious as to what that pipeline might look like. Speaker 200:29:02Sure. I'll talk a bit about that. So obviously, secured a large order. We've previously communicated that. There is a federally mandated date, which I think is back 2029 by the time that all these cars must be converted for use on across North America. Speaker 200:29:19So, is a, I think there's some industry estimates that put somewhere between 10,000 to 17,000, units, likely would need to be converted in order stay operational. The owners of those units have some decisions to make. Do they want to replace them with new or do they want to convert them? And that would depend on how much usable life and what type of usable life is left on them. So there's certainly a significant chunk of customer appetite out there for conversions. Speaker 200:29:56We continually have conversations with people, excuse me, this decision is certainly not a capacity issue for us. We would accommodate orders, that any customer would like to get converted in that timeframe. The question really is, would they prefer to switch it to a new car as opposed to a conversion? And obviously, we are preparing and readying ourselves to enter into the new car market as well. So we are staying close to those conversations, whether it be a conversion or a new car in that late twenty six or twenty seven calendar year, late twenty six calendar year twenty seven period. Speaker 200:30:32But yet, it's the same customers that we talk about, about the same product. We just provide, different routes to solutions depending on what their need is at that time. Speaker 700:30:47Great. I appreciate the detail, Nick. Thanks, everybody. That's all for Speaker 200:30:50me. Thanks, Brandon. Operator00:30:53Thank you. We have a follow-up question from Mark Reichman with Noble Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:31:01Thank you. This question is for for Matthew. You know, according to the RSI, industry wide orders and deliveries were eleven thousand three hundred and twenty two and fifteen thousand seven hundred and twenty six respectively for the first six months of 2025. I'm just kind of curious, where Matt, where do you think those numbers will fall out for the year? Speaker 300:31:25Yeah, Mark, good morning. I think we're looking at another year, back to back years of total industry order volume that will be sub 30,000 railcars with an upturn in demand when we get into years '26. I'll just add that we do see based on pipeline activity, we do have an expected order increase in the second half of the year. Speaker 500:31:50Okay, so like the first quarter, were 25% of the of the orders and second quarter about 19.7%. So you'll kind of you expect to kind of maintain those levels or you think you can continue to capture market share, and then of course, you've got the backlog as well? Speaker 300:32:09Yeah, Mark, we expect to continue to have market share gains. And I would point out that our flexibility and the capabilities to work with customers on specific demands beyond just new cars is something that's not measured in terms of total market share when you compare it to ARCI numbers. However, keep in mind that conversions, rebodies and rebuilds are valuable component of our offering and provide customers that optionality. So the market share numbers themselves don't tell the full story. But we do expect to see continued growth, in market share based on our overall offering. Speaker 500:32:51Okay. And then the last one question is just for Nick. In the recent presentation, there's mentioned that the fifth line is expected to increase capacity by 20% or a thousand units. So you've got the four production lines at twelve fifty and I was just kind of curious why it would be twelve fifty versus a thousand? Speaker 200:33:13Know, a good question. When you look at our capacity, we typically use twelve fifty because of the four lines and then the fifth line will be in some way used for preparation for entrance to tank car market. And we would look at, that may be a bit of a slower ramp up. So that's where that sort of slight delta is between a fifth line, whichever line we convert to tank cars. As a new entrant, we would want to just ease ourselves in a little bit, rather go full volume straight away. Speaker 200:33:46So that really sort of explains that Delta. I would just caveat that, capacity constraint would never, I wouldn't say never, but in the foreseeable period, wouldn't be a constraint for us. We are currently running four lines at about twelve fifty a line, running about 70% of the work week. So there's obviously shift modifications and changes we could do to increase that capacity if we ever needed to, from that perspective. But in answer direct to your question, why is the fifth one clear in January, not twelve fifty? Speaker 200:34:19It's more to do with us being a little bit cautious on a new product type, new segment. We would just have to take that into account when we look at how our capacity looks. Speaker 500:34:30Okay. Now that makes sense. Well, you all very much. Speaker 300:34:33Thank you, Martin. Thank you. Operator00:34:36Thank you. I am not showing any further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Nick Randall for any further remark. Speaker 200:34:46Yes. So thank you. I would just like to summarize a couple of bullet points for where we finished. So we mean at the end of Q2, we maintained strong commercial momentum with our orders driven by rebuilt and conversions, adding 300 units to our healthy backlog for this year despite, as people mentioned, a challenging industry backdrop. Expanded our gross margins to 15%, that's two fifty basis points through operational efficiency and driven solid profitability. Speaker 200:35:12We generated $8,500,000 in operating cash flow this quarter, marking our fifth consecutive quarter of positive cash flow operations and adjusted free cash of $7,900,000 Our strong cash position provides flexibility to invest strategically, while maintaining our financial discipline. We announced a capital investment in our tank car retrofit program, accelerating capability expansion and advancing vertical integration of key components within our manufacturing process. And we are well positioned to capitalize on market opportunities ahead and continue to deliver sustainable shareholder value. And with that, I thank you all for your time. Thank you. Operator00:35:50Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may now disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a great day.Read morePowered by Earnings DocumentsPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Freightcar America Earnings HeadlinesFreightCar America, Inc. (RAIL) Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript3 hours ago | seekingalpha.comFreightCar America (RAIL) Surges After Beating Q2 ExpectationsAugust 4 at 8:46 PM | gurufocus.comYour blueprint for crypto wealthMark August 12th on your calendar. 27 of crypto's most successful minds are about to reveal everything…August 5 at 2:00 AM | Crypto 101 Media (Ad)FreightCar America stock surges after Q2 earnings top estimatesAugust 4 at 6:59 PM | seekingalpha.comFreightCar America (RAIL) Exceeds Q2 Revenue ExpectationsAugust 4 at 5:57 PM | gurufocus.comFreightCar America, Inc. 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The company offers a range of railcars, including open top hoppers, mill gondola cars, intermodal and non-intermodal flat cars, coal cars; bulk commodity cars covered hopper cars, coil steel cars, boxcars, woodchip hoppers, aluminum vehicle carriers, and articulated bulk container railcars. It also sells used railcars; rebuilds, converts, and leases railcars; and sells forged, cast, and fabricated parts for various railcars. The company's customers primarily include shippers, railroads, and financial institutions. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to FreightCar America's second quarter twenty twenty five earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. For those of you participating on the conference call, there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions at the end of today's prepared comments. Please note this conference is being recorded. An audio replay of the conference will be available on the company's website within a few hours after this call. Operator00:00:36I would now like to turn the call over to Chris Ode with Riverton Investor Relations. Over to you, Chris. Speaker 100:00:44Thank you, and welcome. Joining me today are Nick Randall, president and chief executive officer Mike Riordan, Chief Financial Officer and Matt Tonn, Chief Commercial Officer. I'd like to remind everyone that statements made during this conference call related to the company's expected future performance, future business prospects or future events or plans may include forward looking statements as defined under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Participants are directed to FreightCar America's Form 10 ks for a description of certain business risks, some of which may be outside of the control of the company that may cause actual results to materially differ from those expressed in the forward looking statements. We expressly disclaim any duty to provide updates to our forward looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Speaker 100:01:33During today's call, there will also be a discussion of some items that do not conform to U. S. Generally Accepted Accounting Principles or GAAP. Reconciliations of these non GAAP measures to their most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in the earnings release issued yesterday afternoon. Our earnings release for the second quarter twenty twenty five is posted on the company's website, afreightcaramerica.com, along with our eight ks, which was filed premarket this morning. Speaker 100:01:57With that, let me now turn the call over to Nick for a few opening remarks. Speaker 200:02:02Thank you, Chris. Good morning, everyone, and thank you all for joining us today. I am proud to share another quarter of strong performance of FreightCar America, marked by execution and resilience as we expanded our margins through operational efficiency and delivered solid profitability. This quarter also marks our fifth consecutive quarter of positive operating cash flow generation, finishing Q2 with over $61,000,000 of cash on hand. While we have maintained strong commercial momentum with orders, adding 300 units to our healthy backlog for the year, despite a challenging industry backdrop. Speaker 200:02:42Gross margins for the quarter expanded to 15% on nine thirty nine deliveries, up from 12.5% on eleven fifty nine deliveries a year ago. Adjusted EBITDA margins increased 20 basis points compared to the prior year and we generated adjusted free cash flow of $7,900,000 While revenues and deliveries were lower year over year, we have continued to utilize our lanes of lines effectively and deliver increased profitability as these strong results demonstrate the effectiveness of our manufacturing strategy and the operational commitments of our team. On the commercial side, our broad product portfolio and value added solutions continue to prove themselves as competitive differentiators. We secured twelve twenty six new orders in the quarter, largely driven by rebuilds and conversions. These orders increased our backlog to 3,624 units, up approximately 300 units from the prior quarter. Speaker 200:03:40Though the dollar value of the backlog remains stable, reflecting a higher proportion of rebuild and conversion work. Importantly, rebuilds and conversions continue to deliver excellent value for our customers in these market conditions. This type of work exemplifies the strength of our flexible manufacturing model, enabling us to adjust quickly to customer needs while maintaining healthy profitability. Operationally, we continue to run all four production lines throughout the quarter, improving productivity and supporting high throughput even at a lower volume of deliveries. This operational flexibility, which has been a hallmark of our approach, remains a key advantage allowing us to meet evolving demand and keep lead times competitive. Speaker 200:04:23Turning to the broader industry, the replacement cycle has moderated and industry forecast for new railcar deliveries have been revised downward for 2025. However, we remain well positioned, thanks to the diversity of our business model and our agile manufacturing presence. We continue to see strong order momentum and inquiries in our pipeline are reaffirming our outlook for the remainder of the year. Our nimble, vertically integrated model enables us to take market share and respond faster than our peers. These dynamics will position us to benefit meaningfully when new build activity picks back up. Speaker 200:05:03We also continue to invest in the business to strengthen our foundation for future growth. This quarter, we announced a capital investment in our tank car retrofit program as we accelerate our capability expansion and vertical integration of key components within the manufacturing process to provide our customers with the product quality and reliability they demand. We expect this initiative to continue to enhance our margin profile and create long term value as the tank car program ramps up over the next several years. In short, we are executing well, delivering on our commitments and continuing to strengthen the foundation of our business. I am proud of what we have accomplished this quarter and I'm excited about the opportunities ahead. Speaker 200:05:46With that, I'll turn it over to Matt to walk through our commercial operations in more detail. Speaker 300:05:51Thank you, Nick, and good morning, everyone. For the second consecutive quarter, we continued to see consistent inquiry level activity and conversion to orders. During the second quarter, we booked orders for twelve twenty six railcars valued at $107,000,000 This order intake represents back to back quarters with a book to bill ratio of 1.3 and further supports that our purpose built commercial strategy of engineering, manufacturing, and delivering high quality railcars resonate with our broad customer base. Our commercial strategy is focused on maintaining share, while remaining responsive to changing market conditions. As new railcar demand softens and customers seek a real rebuild or conversion option, we leverage our expertise and flexible plant operations, providing value and optionality to our customers. Speaker 300:06:42Railcar conversions has been a foundational component of our heritage with over 15,000 conversions and rebodies completed in the last twenty years. Further, our tank car retrofit program and plant readiness is advancing and on track for primary production beginning in 2026. This added capability coupled with our modern manufacturing infrastructure serves as a key competitive advantage, providing value to our customers, a flexible mix of new car production conversions and rebuilds and solid gross margin returns. From an industry perspective, we are beginning to see a softer new railcar demand environment due in large part to uncertainties around tariff policies. Although we view these economic realities as short lived, they are affecting customer order timing, and we do expect that total twenty twenty five industry deliveries will fall below the previously expected 40,000 units per year average. Speaker 300:07:38It is important to note, with over 160,000 railcars projected to reach their mandated retirement in the next four and a half years, we fully expect overall industry annual demand to fall within the 35,000 to 40,000 range. Despite short term extended decision cycles in certain freight segments, our team continues to drive steady quote volume by emphasizing versatility, value and delivery certainty. Looking ahead, we remain committed to driving high value opportunities that align with our customers dynamic needs. We continue to prioritize margin performance, manufacturing flexibility and a diversified order book, all factors that we believe will set us apart in moderating demand environment. With that, I'll turn it over to Mike for comments on our financial performance. Speaker 300:08:28Mike? Speaker 400:08:29Thanks, Matt, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to begin by sharing a few second quarter highlights. Consolidated revenues for the 2025 totaled $118,600,000 with deliveries of nine thirty nine railcars compared to $147,400,000 on deliveries of eleven fifty nine railcars in the 2024. Lower deliveries in revenue in the 2025 were primarily driven by producing railcars during the quarter that will deliver throughout the 2025. Gross profit in the 2025 was $17,800,000 with a gross margin of 15% compared to gross profit of $18,400,000 and gross margin of 12.5% in the second quarter of last year. Speaker 400:09:15Higher gross margin performance was driven primarily by a favorable product mix and increased production efficiency. SG and A for the 2025 totaled $10,100,000 up from $8,500,000 in the 2024. Excluding stock based compensation, SG and A as a percentage of revenue increased approximately two sixty basis points, primarily due to the timing of spend on various professional services. We expect SG excluding stock based compensation, to decrease in the second half of the year and normalize for the full year. In the 2025, we achieved adjusted EBITDA of $10,000,000 compared to $12,100,000 in the 2024, driven primarily by lower deliveries. Speaker 400:09:58Despite the lower volume of deliveries, adjusted EBITDA margin expanded by 20 basis points in the 2025 compared to the 2024. Adjusted net income for the 2025 was $3,800,000 or $0.11 per share compared to adjusted net income of $3,500,000 or $0.10 per share in the second quarter of last year. During the 2025, we recorded a non cash tax benefit of approximately $52,000,000 primarily due to the release of evaluation allowance on US deferred tax assets related to our historical net operating losses. This decision reflects our profitability over the past two years in The US, as well as our confidence in future profitability and taxable income generation in The US. This non cash benefit was partially offset by a $47,600,000 non cash adjustment to our warrant liability. Speaker 400:10:53As a reminder, the warrant liability adjustment accounted for in adjusted net income is a non cash item with no effect on shares outstanding or earnings per share calculations, reflecting only the valuation change of the warrant holders investment as our share price appreciated during the quarter. This quarter, we generated $8,500,000 in operating cash flow, marking our fifth consecutive quarter with positive cash flow from operations, our best in nearly twenty years. This is a testament to the collective FreightCar America team's efforts over the past several years to transform our business. Additionally, our adjusted free cash flow for the 2025 was approximately $20,400,000 reflecting the continued execution of our commercial strategy, operational discipline and more efficient capital structure. We closed the quarter with $61,400,000 cash on hand and no borrowings under our revolving credit facility. Speaker 400:11:47Capital expenditures for the second quarter totaled $600,000 For the full year 2025, we now expect capital expenditures to be in the range of 9,000,000 to $10,000,000 Approximately $4,000,000 is allocated to routine capital for ongoing operations. The remaining balance is growth capital for both our tank car retrofit program that begins next year, as well as future production of new tank cars. This quarter's increase in growth capital will vertically integrate aspects of our future operations and strengthen our position in the market. We anticipate that this additional investment will contribute an additional $6,000,000 of EBITDA over the next two years and be a meaningful contributor to gross margin expansion in future periods. Our strong cash flow generation and disciplined approach continues to support these growth investments, while keeping our financial position healthy, with trailing twelve month net leverage remaining around 1.2 times. Speaker 400:12:43Looking ahead, we're focused on ensuring that every dollar we invest supports scalable high return opportunities. With a healthy balance sheet and steady cash flow, we are well positioned to support future growth and deliver improved profitability. With that, we'll now open the line for questions and answers. Operator00:13:01Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star and 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. Operator00:13:22For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. Our first question comes from Mark Richemann with Noble Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:13:44Thank you. Compared to the prior year period, you know, railcar sales fell about 26% while aftermarket sales increased almost 61%. And I was just wondering how much of that is due to productive capacity being dedicated to custom fabrications versus the timing of rail orders within the year? And what are your expectations for the third and fourth quarters? Speaker 200:14:10Hey, Mark. Good morning. It's Nick. I'll answer that one and then Mike may do some follow-up on some of the timing issues of it. So I think, yes, a couple of things to unpack in that question. Speaker 200:14:21So in Q2, we did produce a higher volume than we shipped in Q2. We produced some products that were shipped in a subsequent quarter. So from a production perspective, we are siloed for our planning process leveled out, so that we don't have large swings in, labor up or down. So we really use or utilize our capacity, in an effective manner to drive our business. So that kind of really explains why there's a difference year on year, Q2 to Q2 in the volume shipped. Speaker 200:14:55So yes, you'd expect to see those shipped in a later quarter in the year, and see that sort of smooth off. I would just clarify though, our production capacity wouldn't be a constraint on sales. The customer demand dictates our sales rather than any capacity concerns. But the aftermarket piece, I'll let Mike add on to that, or Deep. Speaker 400:15:19Yeah. So on a quarter over quarter, we continue to expand our presence in the aftermarket. We're just seeing sales growth there, that we continue to like and see in the future. But to Nick's point, production was higher in the second quarter than you'll see in the delivery numbers with a balance of cars produced. And we'll deliver throughout the second half and you'll see that maintaining the full year delivery guidance, you'll see Q3 and Q4, we expect to be much higher deliveries than what you've seen in Q1 and Q2. Speaker 400:15:46And all that is simply timing to customer schedules on when they want to take cars. Speaker 500:15:52And second question is just manufacturing segment gross margins. If you look at them kind of historically, but in the first and second quarters 13.4%, 13.5%, while the aftermarket margins were 37.436.8%. So do you think the first and second quarters are indicative of forward gross margin expectations and how are the tank car retrofits expected to impact revenue and margin in 2026 and 2027? Speaker 200:16:25Well, I'll split that into two separate pieces, Mark. One is current year of 2025. And then the other one is future years. Typically, we don't make too many comments on future years, but we've mentioned tank car retrofits. We can talk a bit about the timing of that at least. Speaker 200:16:41So this year, the margins we've seen in Q1 and Q2 have been a mix between product mix and really accelerating our productivity, our operational productivity, at least on the whole goods sides, which being favorable for us. I would expect to see those carry through in Q2 and Q3, sorry, Q3 and Q4 for the balance of the year. So I don't expect to see too many changes from what we've demonstrated in Q1 and Q2. Certainly with the volume going up, you'll see the shipments go up, but the margins should stay pretty consistent. And as mentioned before, we try and we haven't been communicating large layoffs or changes in our organization. Speaker 200:17:26We've been able to be consistent in retaining that, well trained workforce so that we can build on the margins we get each quarter. So that's why I would just use that as a indicator of what Q3 and Q4 will look like and what the whole year will look like. As it comes to future years, we don't generally communicate on those. We do have the tank car retrofit program, which we've communicated. And, as Matt and Mike both commented in the prepared notes, that sort of starts, partway through 2026. Speaker 200:18:04Got a, I think last quarter you asked about a fifth line. We would look at our latest incoming order quantity is about 1,200 units a year each quarter, sorry, 1,200 units per quarter coming through. If we sustain quarters like that, then we'd obviously look to add that fifth line to produce those retrofits. And that would obviously alter the performance accordingly. But we'd know more about that as we enter into 2026 rather than sort of 2025, if that helps. Speaker 500:18:38No, it's very helpful. Thank you very much. Speaker 300:18:42Thanks, Matt. Thanks, Matt. Operator00:18:44Thank you. We have our next question from Aaron Reed with Northcoast Research. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:18:52Hi, Nick. Hi, Mike. Thanks for taking the question. So what we wanted to find a little bit more about, and I know you mentioned it was, you said the tank line is expected to add around 6,000,000 and EBITDA here in 2026 and 2027. I just want to make sure I heard that right, as well as if you could give a little more color around the timing of what that might look like would be helpful. Speaker 200:19:17Yes, just a clarification, you've got that it's 6,000,000 over two years, right? Two over Speaker 500:19:23two years, Speaker 200:19:23okay. So that's we've been talking about our plant will be ready to the tank car conversion program, in a matter of, months. And we will, the contract we have starts sort of mid to, 2026, and then leads over into 2027 as well. So, but we've got inquiries and other orders we may add to that, but the specific one that you referenced is really scheduled to start the back 2026. Speaker 600:20:04Perfect. Okay, that's helpful. And the other question I have is, I know there's been a lot of talk, especially with in terms of mergers between some of the Class one rail carriers. How is that expecting to impact you? Or is that kind of not really going to impact you one way or another? Speaker 600:20:22I'm getting a lot of questions on that. Speaker 200:20:26It's a difficult one to say for sure. Will it impact the industry? Would expect so. I expect there's a couple of things. One is I would expect to be some productivity and customer enhancements in the railroad industry. Speaker 200:20:40That will ultimately help railroads, just the industry overall, improve productivity, improve customer service levels always help, from that perspective. From a builder's perspective, what's good for rail is good for a builder. That's Speaker 600:20:58the Speaker 200:20:58way I always look at it. I think it's too early to say on any timing or orders or content or product types, that would still get to be seen. But I think it's, if there's an enhancement or improvement for customers and end users in rail, I think that rises a tide for the rail industry. It was the way I would look at it, but it is very early days, Aaron. It's not something that a lot of people have had a lot of time to digest and look at the true details behind it. Speaker 600:21:27Right, that makes sense. And then one more quick question is, one of the things that we're seeing a lot of interest in obviously, AI and the massive demand and uptick in energy needed. So it looks like there's been a bit of a resurgence in coal. And my understanding is a lot of those cars have been retired as the expectation was that coal is going to kind of fizzle out. Is there a potential for increased demand in either repairs or even maybe new opened up hoppers that might develop here in the next coming quarters or even year that wasn't necessarily expected a year Speaker 500:22:05or two ago? Or is Speaker 600:22:06there still would you think ample supply that means that wouldn't necessarily be required to get additional or repaired cars. Speaker 200:22:15Sure. I will make some comments on it, then I'll ask Matt and Mike maybe to comment on it as well. So just to put into context, I think for the entire railroad industry, coal is probably still the largest single commodity moved across the railroad networks in its own right. So coal is a very large proportion. And as you've mentioned prior to probably two years ago, it's been on a constant decline and a very predictable decline, from a usage perspective. Speaker 200:22:45So any change to that certainly would, be a positive for people who are involved in either repair, restoration or the extended life of units that are used to move coal. So, I think FreightCar America has one of the largest fleet of coal units, coal railcars out there. So, yes, so we would expect to see, we do see a lot more inquiries about extending the life of existing coal related assets, in the rail network, which is very helpful. I think it's too early to look at whether that would transpire into a new car build. I think there's a lot of rail assets dedicated to coal out there, but I don't know how close to the end of life they actually are and whether people would look to a conversion into coal or a conversion from coal. Speaker 200:23:43So I think the conversion piece is probably more where we would see activity on that. Obviously, we do a lot of conversions, so it's very beneficial for us. But in the near term, it's the extension of life from maintenance repairs and parts, which is clearly well within the remit of our aftermarket business, which feeds that industry. Speaker 600:24:10Great. Very helpful. Thank you. Operator00:24:13Thank you. We have our next question from Brendan McCarthy with Sidoti. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:24:23Great. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions here. I wanted to circle back to gross margins. I think that you had mentioned we should see a similar gross margin level of right around 50% for the back half of this year. Speaker 700:24:36Just wanted to look longer term. I know there's the 1,000 tank car conversion order in the backlog, obviously higher margin there. Speaker 400:24:44Do you Speaker 700:24:44see any reason why gross margins may step down from that 15% level long term? Speaker 200:24:51I'll take a stab at that to begin with Brendan, and then Mike can add any additional details. So there's a couple of things. So first of all, mix does play a large, influencers. So when you ask, when we look outside our, lead time window, it's hard to nail mix down. All I know from a planning and from an agile manufacturing perspective, we are confident and capable to adjust to whatever the customer demand is in the future. Speaker 200:25:25But, the margins will flex obviously predicated by mix. So that is somewhat unknown from a mix perspective. So when you look too far out, that's, difficult to sort of predict with any certainty. Would say there's no, we've got some nice pipelines and some nice inquiry levels. I think 15% is at the high end, which is nice. Speaker 200:25:54But, obviously we wouldn't work, maybe dilute that as well in the out period as well. You think about this year for the next two quarters that we finish for calendar year 2025, I think the biggest thing we look at is, our shipments will probably go up in Q3 and Q4 compared to what they've been in Q1 and Q2. We did build ahead in Q2 for some items that will ship in the second half of the year. I think that the margins will be similar. So it's going to depend on what ships and exactly when it ships in the Q3 and Q4. Speaker 200:26:33But it's really mix dependent with an underlying productivity enhancements, which we keep on driving, which is really influencing those gross margins most. Mike, anything to add? That Speaker 700:26:47makes sense. That's helpful, Nick. I appreciate the color there. And just looking at gross margin gains maybe year to date, I guess how much of that do you attribute to that manufacturing efficiency and how much do you attribute to just the product mix in general? Speaker 200:27:05It's difficult to split that out in an easy way. There are certain products that also have a manufacturing productivity mix that go with them, enhancement that go with them simply because of the length of the order, the size of the order and the volume rates we produce. I would say there's a generic trajectory that we're on productivity improvement, which incrementally improves our underlying operational productivity quarter on quarter, and that's predictable and reliable. And then you have the peaks and troughs of the product margin that ships at any given time, which, adds on to that. So I would, you know, operational productivity will continue to increase quarter over quarter as we offset any incremental pay rise improvements or inflation pressures. Speaker 200:28:07And then the product mix margins are really predicated by the product type. Now, if you think about out of this year, obviously we talked about tank cars and tank car retrofit, which generally have a more lucrative margin with them. So I expect it to go with that product to go up. But I generally they're trying to get it pin it down to which quarter which will ship which product in the out periods is a bit more difficult than just, looking at the market per se. Speaker 700:28:40That makes sense. I appreciate that. And one more question for me. I know you talked about an increase in growth CapEx as it relates to the tank car capabilities in your manufacturing. Just wondering if you could provide any color on the tank car conversion pipeline, maybe conversations that you're having with potential customers there. Speaker 700:28:58Just curious as to what that pipeline might look like. Speaker 200:29:02Sure. I'll talk a bit about that. So obviously, secured a large order. We've previously communicated that. There is a federally mandated date, which I think is back 2029 by the time that all these cars must be converted for use on across North America. Speaker 200:29:19So, is a, I think there's some industry estimates that put somewhere between 10,000 to 17,000, units, likely would need to be converted in order stay operational. The owners of those units have some decisions to make. Do they want to replace them with new or do they want to convert them? And that would depend on how much usable life and what type of usable life is left on them. So there's certainly a significant chunk of customer appetite out there for conversions. Speaker 200:29:56We continually have conversations with people, excuse me, this decision is certainly not a capacity issue for us. We would accommodate orders, that any customer would like to get converted in that timeframe. The question really is, would they prefer to switch it to a new car as opposed to a conversion? And obviously, we are preparing and readying ourselves to enter into the new car market as well. So we are staying close to those conversations, whether it be a conversion or a new car in that late twenty six or twenty seven calendar year, late twenty six calendar year twenty seven period. Speaker 200:30:32But yet, it's the same customers that we talk about, about the same product. We just provide, different routes to solutions depending on what their need is at that time. Speaker 700:30:47Great. I appreciate the detail, Nick. Thanks, everybody. That's all for Speaker 200:30:50me. Thanks, Brandon. Operator00:30:53Thank you. We have a follow-up question from Mark Reichman with Noble Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:31:01Thank you. This question is for for Matthew. You know, according to the RSI, industry wide orders and deliveries were eleven thousand three hundred and twenty two and fifteen thousand seven hundred and twenty six respectively for the first six months of 2025. I'm just kind of curious, where Matt, where do you think those numbers will fall out for the year? Speaker 300:31:25Yeah, Mark, good morning. I think we're looking at another year, back to back years of total industry order volume that will be sub 30,000 railcars with an upturn in demand when we get into years '26. I'll just add that we do see based on pipeline activity, we do have an expected order increase in the second half of the year. Speaker 500:31:50Okay, so like the first quarter, were 25% of the of the orders and second quarter about 19.7%. So you'll kind of you expect to kind of maintain those levels or you think you can continue to capture market share, and then of course, you've got the backlog as well? Speaker 300:32:09Yeah, Mark, we expect to continue to have market share gains. And I would point out that our flexibility and the capabilities to work with customers on specific demands beyond just new cars is something that's not measured in terms of total market share when you compare it to ARCI numbers. However, keep in mind that conversions, rebodies and rebuilds are valuable component of our offering and provide customers that optionality. So the market share numbers themselves don't tell the full story. But we do expect to see continued growth, in market share based on our overall offering. Speaker 500:32:51Okay. And then the last one question is just for Nick. In the recent presentation, there's mentioned that the fifth line is expected to increase capacity by 20% or a thousand units. So you've got the four production lines at twelve fifty and I was just kind of curious why it would be twelve fifty versus a thousand? Speaker 200:33:13Know, a good question. When you look at our capacity, we typically use twelve fifty because of the four lines and then the fifth line will be in some way used for preparation for entrance to tank car market. And we would look at, that may be a bit of a slower ramp up. So that's where that sort of slight delta is between a fifth line, whichever line we convert to tank cars. As a new entrant, we would want to just ease ourselves in a little bit, rather go full volume straight away. Speaker 200:33:46So that really sort of explains that Delta. I would just caveat that, capacity constraint would never, I wouldn't say never, but in the foreseeable period, wouldn't be a constraint for us. We are currently running four lines at about twelve fifty a line, running about 70% of the work week. So there's obviously shift modifications and changes we could do to increase that capacity if we ever needed to, from that perspective. But in answer direct to your question, why is the fifth one clear in January, not twelve fifty? Speaker 200:34:19It's more to do with us being a little bit cautious on a new product type, new segment. We would just have to take that into account when we look at how our capacity looks. Speaker 500:34:30Okay. Now that makes sense. Well, you all very much. Speaker 300:34:33Thank you, Martin. Thank you. Operator00:34:36Thank you. I am not showing any further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Nick Randall for any further remark. Speaker 200:34:46Yes. So thank you. I would just like to summarize a couple of bullet points for where we finished. So we mean at the end of Q2, we maintained strong commercial momentum with our orders driven by rebuilt and conversions, adding 300 units to our healthy backlog for this year despite, as people mentioned, a challenging industry backdrop. Expanded our gross margins to 15%, that's two fifty basis points through operational efficiency and driven solid profitability. Speaker 200:35:12We generated $8,500,000 in operating cash flow this quarter, marking our fifth consecutive quarter of positive cash flow operations and adjusted free cash of $7,900,000 Our strong cash position provides flexibility to invest strategically, while maintaining our financial discipline. We announced a capital investment in our tank car retrofit program, accelerating capability expansion and advancing vertical integration of key components within our manufacturing process. And we are well positioned to capitalize on market opportunities ahead and continue to deliver sustainable shareholder value. And with that, I thank you all for your time. Thank you. Operator00:35:50Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may now disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a great day.Read morePowered by