NASDAQ:OPEN Opendoor Technologies Q2 2025 Earnings Report $1.95 +0.10 (+5.41%) Closing price 08/8/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$1.94 -0.01 (-0.72%) As of 08/8/2025 08:00 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Opendoor Technologies EPS ResultsActual EPSN/AConsensus EPS -$0.01Beat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPS-$0.13Opendoor Technologies Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected Revenue$1.50 billionBeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AOpendoor Technologies Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2025Date8/5/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, August 5, 2025Conference Call Time5:00PM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Opendoor Technologies Q2 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 5, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: Opendoor is making a strategic shift from a single cash‐offer product to a distributed platform with partner agents, fully rolling out a pilot that doubled underwriting completion and increased listing conversions fivefold. Positive Sentiment: In Q2, the company reported $1.6 B in revenue and achieved its first adjusted EBITDA profitability in three years with a $23 M profit, demonstrating meaningful operating leverage. Negative Sentiment: The outlook for H2 2025 reflects lower acquisitions (~1,200 homes), revenue of $800–875 M, a contribution margin of 2.8–3.3 %, and an adjusted EBITDA loss of $21–28 M as the platform transition is still ramping. Negative Sentiment: Ongoing housing market challenges—including high mortgage rates, suppressed buyer demand, low clearance rates, and record delistings—are expected to pressure volumes and margins. Positive Sentiment: New offerings like Cash Plus and the Key Agent app reduce capital requirements, improve risk‐adjusted returns, deepen AI‐powered home assessments, and aim to expand high‐margin, capital‐light revenue. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallOpendoor Technologies Q2 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xThere are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Opendoor Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:26I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Michael Judd, Capital Markets and Investor Relations. Speaker 100:00:35Thank you, and good afternoon. Details of our results and additional management commentary are available in our earnings release and shareholder letter, which can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website at investor.opendoor.com. Please note that this call will be simultaneously webcast on the Investor Relations section of the company's corporate website. Before we start, I would like to remind you that the following discussion contains forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. All statements other than statements of historical fact are statements that could be deemed forward looking, including, but not limited to, statements regarding Opendoor's financial condition, anticipated financial performance, business strategy and plans, market opportunity and expansion, and management objectives for future operations. Speaker 100:01:26These statements are neither promises nor guarantees and undue reliance should not be placed on them. Such forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed here. Additional information that could cause actual results to differ from forward looking statements can be found in the Risk Factors section of Opendoor's most recent annual report on Form 10 ks for the year ended 12/31/2024, as updated by our quarterly report on Form 10 Q for the quarter ended 06/30/2025, and other filings with the SEC. Any forward looking statements made on this conference call, including responses to your questions are based on management's reasonable current expectations and assumptions as of today, and Open Door assumes no obligation to update or revise them whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, except as required by law. The following discussion contains references to certain non GAAP financial measures. Speaker 100:02:29The company believes these non GAAP financial measures are useful to investors as supplemental operational measurements to evaluate the company's financial performance. For a reconciliation of these non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP metric, please see our website at investor.opendoor.com. I will now turn the call over to Carrie Wheeler, Chief Executive Officer of Opendoor. Speaker 200:02:52Thank you for joining us. At Opendoor, our mission is straightforward but bold, to make selling your home simple, certain, and fast. For most people, selling a home is one of the biggest financial transactions of their lives. And too often, it's also one of the most stressful. We believe it doesn't have to be that way. Speaker 200:03:11Over the past ten years, we've built deep infrastructure in real estate, pricing intelligence, operational capabilities, and a marketing engine that reaches high intense sellers. In doing so, we've amassed an unparalleled dataset, photos, videos, agent notes, and customer interactions from millions of home visits. This proprietary data fuels our AI, and that AI powers our flagship product, the cash offer, which delivers what traditional sales cannot: speed, certainty, and control. Our customers understand this. Over the past four years, our Net Promoter Score has been near 80, exceptional in any industry. Speaker 200:03:52And increasingly, agents understand it too. In fact, one in four of our acquisitions already come from an agent bringing us their client for a cash offer. We are now making the most important strategic shift in our history, moving from a single product to a distributed platform with multiple offerings delivered through agents. Asians already come to us every single day for a cash offer. We're simply changing the direction of traffic, putting the PowerBook and Door into their hands, so they can bring our products straight to the seller. Speaker 200:04:26We have two things no one else can give an agent. One, unparalleled lead quality. We are not getting agents cold names from a spreadsheet or putting them in the home with a motivated seller. Two, a differentiated product suite, more selling options powered by a trusted local advisor. Sellers can choose the certainty of a cash offer, the upside potential of a market listing, or hybrid of both. Speaker 200:04:54This means sellers get more choice, more speed and more certainty. Sellers win, agents win and Opendoor wins because we can serve far more sellers, monetize more leads and expand high margin, capital light revenue streams. We began piloting this new approach in select markets last quarter. The early proof points were compelling. Two times more customers are reaching a final underwritten cash offer relative to our traditional flow. Speaker 200:05:25We're delivering offers faster with streamlined in home agent assessments. Listing conversion rates are five times higher. And we're unlocking more capitalized earnings through our share of listing commissions. On the strength of these results, we've gone from pilot to full rollout in record time. Today, partner agents are live in every market we operate. Speaker 200:05:49Our next phase is optimization. More agents, better tools, better training, and more products. We've launched our Key Agent iOS app, so agents can do high fidelity home assessments right from their phone, enriching our AI and deepening the customer connection. Being in the home gives agents the chance to guide the seller through every option, and we believe that face to face trust will be a powerful driver of conversion. We've also launched Cash Plus, a hybrid product designed for sellers who want the convenience of a cash offer, but hope to maximize upside by going to market. Speaker 200:06:29Opendoor provides immediate cash to the seller, gets the home list ready and works with a partner agent to list the home. Upon resale, the seller can receive additional proceeds after expenses. For sellers, it's the best of both worlds. For agents, it's another competitive tool and keeps them engaged with the customer throughout the sales process. For Opendoor, it's a better risk adjusted product that uses less capital, protects our downside, and aligns our incentives even more closely with the customers. Speaker 200:07:00We are building a vibrant distributed ecosystem. Agents coming to us for cash offers. We're bringing sellers to partner agents. Sellers gain more choice, more speed, more certainty, and Opendoor gains more opportunities to monetize leads, serve customers and expand high margin revenue streams. This is a flywheel. Speaker 200:07:22The more agents we enable, the more sellers we serve. The more transactions we handle, the stronger our platform gets. Our marketing dollars become more efficient as we monetize more of the sellers who come to us. And as we grow transactions, we further leverage our cost structure. Value compounds for customers, agents, and shareholders alike. Speaker 200:07:45We are making these changes amidst a very challenging housing market. The 2025 will reflect lower acquisition and resale volumes due to the macro environment and continued high spreads, seasonality, and the fact that we are early in our transition. Our near term outlook, however, does not reflect what we're building towards, durability, relevance, and scale for the next decade. We know exactly where we're going, and we're taking decisive steps to get there. With that, I'll hand it over to Salim for the financials. Speaker 300:08:18Thank you, Carrie. We delivered a strong second quarter. At $1,600,000,000 in revenue, we achieved our first quarter of adjusted EBITDA profitability in three years. This outcome is an indicator of the meaningful operating leverage we have driven and provides a roadmap for what ANI breakeven could look like in the future. Our Q2 performance reflects deliberate choices we've made, including increased marketing spend in Q4 twenty twenty four and Q1 twenty twenty five to acquire more homes ahead of the spring selling season and widening offer spreads in q two twenty twenty five to manage risk as we prioritize marketing spend efficiency and disciplined underwriting. Speaker 300:09:00On the acquisition side, we purchased 1,757 homes in the second quarter, slightly ahead of our expectations, but down year over year driven by meaningfully wider spreads and accompanying reduced marketing spend. Contribution profit was $69,000,000 in the second quarter, representing a contribution margin of 4.4. This was down from $95,000,000 and 6.3% in Q2 twenty twenty four, driven by a higher mix of older inventory in our Q2 resale cohorts. Adjusted EBITDA was 23,000,000 in the second quarter compared to a loss of 5,000,000 in Q2 twenty twenty four. Turning to our balance sheet, we ended the quarter with 4,538 homes representing $1,500,000,000 in net inventory. Speaker 300:09:51We also had $1,100,000,000 in total capital, primarily comprised of $789,000,000 in unrestricted cash and $167,000,000 of equity invested in homes, net of inventory valuation adjustments. At quarter end, we had $7,800,000,000 in non recourse asset backed borrowing capacity, of which total committed borrowing capacity was $2,000,000,000. In May, we issued $325,000,000 of convertible senior notes due in 02/1930. This transaction allowed us to extend the maturities on $246,000,000 of our existing converts by four years and add $75,000,000 in cash to our balance sheet. Turning to our outlook, the housing market has further deteriorated over the course of the last quarter. Speaker 300:10:41Persistently high mortgage rates continue to suppress buyer demand, leading to lower clearance and record delistings. Our second half expectations take into account current macro dynamics, typical seasonal patterns in our cash offer business, and the early stage nature of our platform evolution, which is not yet a material contributor to our results. Our guidance for the 2025 includes the following. Approximately 1,200 homes acquired, revenue between 800 and $875,000,000, contribution margin of 2.8% to 3.3%, adjusted EBITDA between negative 28,000,000 and negative 21,000,000, and stock based compensation expense between 10,000,000 and $12,000,000. And while we're not providing full year guidance at this time, I would like to add some additional color for the balance of the year. Speaker 300:11:37We expect Q4 revenue to decline sequentially at a similar level to the Q3 sequential decline based on the dynamics I just mentioned. Contribution margin will also be pressured in the second half by an unfavorable mix of older, lower margin homes given lower acquisition volumes, likely putting our goal of year on year contribution margin improvement out of reach. Speaker 200:12:01Thanks, Celine. I want to acknowledge the great deal of interest in Opendoor lately, and that we're grateful for it. We welcome engagement from all of our investors, including the many shareholders who are new to the company. We appreciate your enthusiasm for what we're building and we're listening intently to your feedback. This increased visibility is an opportunity to tell our story to a broader audience. Speaker 200:12:21We intend to make the most of it. We've been laying the groundwork to execute on the strategy we have laid out to serve every seller possible to build a profitable business and in doing so to create long term shareholder value. We look forward to updating you on our progress in the coming quarters. And with that, I will ask the operator to open the line for questions. Operator00:12:40Thank you. Our first question comes from Dai Li with JPMorgan. You may proceed. Speaker 400:13:04Great. Thanks for taking my question. First one for Salim. With regards to your 3Q guidance, you talked about macro conditions worsening throughout 2Q. Is it kind of stable now or do you are you still seeing incremental softness heading into the back half? Speaker 400:13:23And I think you talked about the 3Q guidance not including meaningful impact from the newer initiatives like the agent working with agents. Is that like, how long does that process take? And when do you expect that to be a more meaningful contributor? And then I have a follow-up. Speaker 300:13:42Hey, Dave, thanks for the questions. I'll take the first one and I'll have Carrie talk a little bit about our new initiatives. Just in terms of the macro and what we see, I would say yes. I think at the current moment, things seem to have stabilized. Definitely well below where things were at the beginning of Q2. Speaker 300:14:02We did see sort of ongoing deterioration throughout the quarter. And now things seem to be in a bit of a stable pattern. And so our outlook for both Q3 and Q4 assume that we stay at or around this sort of overall macro environment, subject to seasonality adjustments that are normal for this time of year. Speaker 200:14:27On the topic of when can we see the impact of all the changes we're talking about, our new go to market, our expanded product suite, I'd say a couple of things. One is we're going to see the impact of that show up in conversion and in contracts long before we see it hit the P and L for a couple of reasons. One is we have been ramping into key connection markets throughout the last quarter or so, now live in every single market, but certainly ramping. And our job right now is to optimize, get more agents enrolled, more training and get them live. Two, there's just a natural lag between when we enter into a contract and where or a listing agreement and then when that home actually gets sold and we record it with revenues. Speaker 200:15:11If you think about ramping activity, a lag between contract or listing to when we actually realize it on the P and L, we're going to see the real impact of this going to show up in 2026. And then last point would be cash plus. That's a meaningful growth lever for us, we believe, based on what we're seeing so far in our pilot markets incremental to conversion. But that's in a handful of markets ramping very quickly. Next quarter when we have this call, it will be in all markets. Speaker 200:15:36But again, that's going take some time to kind of get in the hands of all of our key connection agents. Speaker 400:15:43Got it. And as a quick follow-up, does these newer initiatives like Key Connections or Cash Plus change your contribution margin profile of the business? Speaker 300:15:54I think with respect to the various outcomes or the product suite that we have, I think Cash Plus enables us to have more confidence in being able to deliver within our target contribution margin range. It's a better risk adjusted process or a risk adjusted product for us in addition to the fact that the initial cash outlay is lower than it would be otherwise for a normal cash offer. And then with respect to listening outcomes, is high margin revenue for us, but obviously will not show up as much on the revenue line, but should help contribution margin over time. Speaker 400:16:38Understood. Thank you. Speaker 300:16:40Thank you. Operator00:16:43Thank you. Our next question comes from Ryan Tomasello with KBW. You may proceed. Speaker 500:16:50Hi, everyone. This is Juan on for Ryan, and thank you for taking questions. On the 4Q guidance commentary, when the company says that it expects a sequential decline in 4Q revenue similar to what the 3Q guidance implies, Is that going to be on an absolute dollar basis or on a percent basis? And similarly, would the $50,000,000 third quarter OpEx guidance be a good run rate for fourth quarter as well? Speaker 300:17:15Thanks for the questions. And sorry that the sequential guidance comment was not clear, but just to clarify that sequential on a percentage basis, not on a dollar basis. And then in terms of 50,000,000 OpEx run rate, I would say no, that it's going to move from quarter to quarter. We've talked about in the past our new marketing strategy, which is heavier in Q1 and Q4 to align with the time of year when spreads are lower and we're acquiring homes in advance of the spring selling season. And so we would expect heavier marketing load in Q4 and Q1 and a lighter marketing load in Q2 and Q3. Speaker 300:17:56So what you have in Q3 is a lighter marketing load, all else equal. So we would expect OpEx to ramp back up in Q4 and Q1 driven by marketing. Speaker 500:18:08Okay, that's clear. I have just a quick follow-up. Sure. With the shift to more of a buyer's market across parts of the country, are you seeing any notable increases in request volumes from sellers in those markets? And generally, how are you thinking about the potential for more seller demand coming into the platform? Speaker 300:18:29Yeah, I would say no. Our guidance and our outlook doesn't imply that there is any increase in seller demand coming because we haven't yet seen an increase in buyer demand leading to higher clearance. If and when that does happen, then we would expect more sellers to be comfortable taking offers and wanting to sell their homes. But we're not currently seeing that and our guidance doesn't imply that that's going to happen. And then how do we think about demand? Speaker 300:19:02Generally speaking, are like I mentioned before, we're aligning our marketing spend to points in time in the year when we can be acquisitive and acquire homes ahead of the spring selling season when you tend to have higher buyer demand and can realize better prices. And so we are going heavier in marketing, as I mentioned in Q4 and Q1, to drive, more acquisitions at a time when spreads historically have been lower. And then we lean back out, in the summer months when the focus is more on resale than it is on us being buyers in the market at that time. Speaker 500:19:50Got it. Thanks. Operator00:19:53Thank you. Our next question comes from Ygal Arounian with Citigroup. You may proceed. Speaker 600:20:00Hi. This is Wayne Trinh on for Ygal. I just wanted to ask about the distributor platform. It seems to be performing well with twice as many customers reaching a cash offer and getting that offer faster. Can you just walk us through how it's kind of done since you've gone into rapid expansion? Speaker 600:20:16And can you talk about the share economics you'll have there with agents between conversions and lead generation? Speaker 200:20:24I'm happy to do that. Let's talk a little bit about why we're doing this. First of all, to make it clear, I'll talk about what we're seeing on the conversion side, which is exciting. And then we'll talk about unit economics. On the why, based on what we've been trialing over the last quarter or so, is that pairing our sellers with an agent early in the selling journey drives incremental conversion, full stop. Speaker 200:20:45An agent's able to get to a customer early. They can contextualize a suite of options, not just one option, but a whole range of alternatives for how they sell, and they guide that seller to the best outcome. And that converts better. So, so far, what we're seeing is twice as many customers getting through our funnel all the way to a final underwriting than we had seen historically on our traditional direct to consumer flow. That means we have more customers that we have a chance to convert on. Speaker 200:21:11We're seeing total conversion to selling outcomes be higher. We're seeing five times more people convert to a listing than otherwise we would have been able to monetize a lead into. Those are all great proof points. We're seeing some small amount of degradation of cash conversion so far, but that was anticipated and we believe is temporary. Two reasons for that. Speaker 200:21:32One, our spreads are wide right now given macro and seasonality. And two, our agents are still early on in getting trained and using the cash offer as part of our everyday motion. Probably most importantly, though, is we don't have cash plus in any of those numbers Where we have got cash plus in our pilot markets, it's incremental to cash conversion. In other words, more people are choosing the cash plus option than they are choosing cash. And we think that should be a durable conversion lever to serve more sellers we're seeing today on the cash side. Speaker 200:22:02So that's the conversion story. With respect to unit economics, I think, in terms of how this all rolls through for agents or for us or for both, I assume. I'll keep going. Yeah. So on the cash plus versus cash economics, the way to think about it at a high level is we're valuing the home in the exact same way we do today for our traditional cash offer product. Speaker 200:22:28We're just providing less cash upfront. The seller is still able to unlock a ton of their equity. They can pack up. They can move out. They can do what they need to do next. Speaker 200:22:36We'll take on the burdens of repairs, and we'll take on the burden of getting listed with that partner agent. But that seller gets additional proceeds after the resale net of expenses. Celine said this earlier, but just to be very clear, it reduces our upfront capital needs. It gives us better downside protection. And it still targets a similar contribution margin to our historical cash offer product, but we think the likelihood of hitting that target is higher in this model. Speaker 200:23:02In terms of the economics to the agent, they get their listing commission on the back end when that home resells. On the listing, to the extent that we have taken one of our customers, paired them with an agent, that agent eventually goes on to list the home for that customer. There's a listing commission involved. The agent earns that, and we take a share of that commission. Our share is at the high end of industry standard because our lead quality, frankly, is so strong and high converting. Speaker 200:23:29And what that gives us is capital light, high margin revenue. Speaker 600:23:36All right. Very helpful. Thank you. And then my second question would be on the pace of acquisitions. Last quarter, talked about barbell kind of shape. Speaker 600:23:45I guess, are you still thinking about the same way? And is there any sense you can give us of the magnitude of sequential increase from Q3 to Q4? Speaker 300:23:55Yeah, we are still thinking about it in the same way. Obviously, all else equal for the macro environment. As you know, we've been responsive to that, and we've adjusted our pace according to what we see in the macro. But as we currently sit here today, we would expect acquisitions to sequentially scale back up in Q4 relative to Q3, but we're not in a position to guide or give color on how much that could be or what that could look like. It's really dependent on what happens in the macro environment, where we set spreads and the progress that we make on this platform pivot. Speaker 300:24:35And so we'll update you on that in ninety days. Speaker 600:24:40Got it. Thank you. Operator00:24:43Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Boone with Citizens. You may proceed. Speaker 700:24:50Thanks so much for taking the questions. I wanted to ask about the new platform and just kind of where is agent and consumer awareness within some of kind of your oldest markets? How are you guys thinking about driving the awareness of kind of newer offerings and changing the consumer perception of what OpenDoor is? And then I'd love just something a little bit more tactical as we think about the back half of '25. Can you just talk about the trend in spreads and how we should think about spreads in terms of offers for the back half of the year? Speaker 700:25:17Thanks so much. Speaker 200:25:19I'll go first. It's Carrie. Thanks for the question. A couple of things. First of all, how are we going to get, the word out about key connections to agents? Speaker 200:25:30One of the things I think is important to understand is we already have 25% of our business coming to us today from agent partners. Those are agents who fully understand the power and importance of having a cash offer in hand when they're going to a listing appointment. And they're kind to us with their customer asking for a cash offer today. So we already have tons of agent relationships. They understand the power of it. Speaker 200:25:52They know they can rely on it. We don't retrade. We close on time. We make it very easy and seamless for them extend that offer to their client. This is just us changing the flow of traffic. Speaker 200:26:02This is us taking our high intent seller leads and putting them in the hands of agent partners. Our sense of what we're going to see is that this is going to become very symbiotic, right? Agents coming to us, us going to agents. On the news of some of the marketing we've done recently around our key agent app, our push on key connections, have a ton of inbound from agents who understand what this could mean for their business. They understand what it means for their next lead. Speaker 200:26:32We're solving a problem for them. They're not having to go find their next customer. They understand they get a differentiated suite of products to sell to their clients that they can't get anywhere else. They understand the quality of our leads. We are putting them in the home. Speaker 200:26:45That's not a lead you get somewhere else. It's totally differentiated. And so I don't really foresee a lot of problems getting this into the hands of agents and having it kind of stem from there. Consumers, listen, we've been marketing for a long time to consumers. We get lots of sellers who come to us. Speaker 200:26:59Our brand awareness has continued to accrete over time. We'll continue to market to consumers. Our number one job right now is to take more of those many, many sellers who come to us and convert them, monetize those leads through the agent channel. That's what we're excited to do. Speaker 300:27:15Yeah. And then with respect to spreads, in a normal seasonal environment, I would say that spreads tend to peak in late summer or late spring, early summer, And then they will trend down from there throughout the course of the second half before they will start to come back up in late winter and early spring. That's what we how we normally manage the business. And so all else equal, that is what we would expect to see between now and the end of the year. Speaker 700:27:47Thank you. Operator00:27:49Thank you. Our next question comes from Nick McAndrew with Zelman and Associates. You may proceed. Speaker 800:28:00Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just to start, you've noted that spreads have remained elevated and above historical norms just given weaker clearance rates. And I'm just wondering if you could provide any color or translate some of that to how much cushion you're building into today's pricing environment and what kind of home price volatility you expect in the back half of the year? Speaker 300:28:25Yeah. So generally, we strive to set price to enable us to deliver within our target contribution margin range. And so that's how we set our spreads or approach setting our spreads. The challenge that I sort of referenced in comments is when we assume a certain macro and then the macro further deteriorates, it starts to eat into any cushion that we have and therefore makes it more difficult for us to hit the target contribution margin range. But that is generally the approach that we take. Speaker 300:29:02Then with respect to home prices, home price appreciation tends to vary sort of depending on the time of year. The spring is when you tend to see the highest or positive home price appreciation. And then as you get into the fall and winter, home price appreciation tends to go negative. That's no different to what we're planning today. The only difference that we saw, I would say in Q2 is the positive home price appreciation period of time this year was actually the shortest that it has been in quite a number of years. Speaker 300:29:39We provide some charts on that in the back of our shareholder letter that I would refer you to. I think that can be a helpful guide to understand that. Speaker 800:29:48That's helpful. Thank you. Salim, maybe just a follow-up for you. I know you've established the ATM equity offering about a year ago, and it doesn't look like you've accessed it to date even with the recent improvement in stock price and volume. So I'm just curious if you can talk about the environment or circumstances in which you would consider raising capital through the ATM? Speaker 800:30:08Thank you. Speaker 300:30:08Yes. Look, generally speaking, we don't comment on future capital raises. As for the ATM, no, we have not used it yet. We have a year and a half remaining to use it and we'll be opportunistic in how leverage it. And beyond that, I would say there's not much more I can say. Speaker 800:30:25Great. Thank you. Operator00:30:29Thank you. This concludes the conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by Earnings DocumentsPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Opendoor Technologies Earnings HeadlinesOpendoor Technologies Just Reported Earnings. Will the Rally Continue This Quarter?1 hour ago | msn.comWhy Is Opendoor Stock Crashing, and Is It a Buying Opportunity?August 8 at 12:08 PM | fool.comTrump’s national nightmare is herePorter Stansberry and Jeff Brown say a new U.S. national emergency is already underway — and it could trigger the biggest forced rotation of capital since World War II. They reveal why Trump is mobilizing America’s tech giants… and name the two stocks most likely to soar as trillions shift behind the scenes. | Porter & Company (Ad)Why Opendoor Technologies Stock Crashed This WeekAugust 8 at 9:10 AM | fool.comCan Opendoor Survive The Real Estate Deep Freeze?August 7 at 2:10 PM | benzinga.comEric Jackson Calls Opendoor CEO Remarks Offensive, Tells Carrie Wheeler It Was Retail Investors That Saved Her Company From 'Brink Of Self-Immolation'August 7 at 3:13 AM | benzinga.comSee More Opendoor Technologies Headlines Get Earnings Announcements in your inboxWant to stay updated on the latest earnings announcements and upcoming reports for companies like Opendoor Technologies? Sign up for Earnings360's daily newsletter to receive timely earnings updates on Opendoor Technologies and other key companies, straight to your email. Email Address About Opendoor TechnologiesOpendoor Technologies (NASDAQ:OPEN) operates a digital platform for residential real estate transactions in the United States. It buys and sells homes. The company's product offerings comprise sell to opendoor product that enables homeowners to sell their home directly to it and resell the home to a home buyer; list with opendoor product that allows customers to list their home on the MLS with opendoor and receive cash offer; and opendoor marketplace product that connects the home seller with an institutional or retail buyer. It also provides real estate brokerage, title insurance and settlement, and escrow services, as well as property and casualty insurance, real estate licenses, and construction services. Opendoor Technologies Inc. was incorporated in 2013 and is based in Tempe, Arizona.View Opendoor Technologies ProfileRead more More Earnings Resources from MarketBeat Earnings Tools Today's Earnings Tomorrow's Earnings Next Week's Earnings Upcoming Earnings Calls Earnings Newsletter Earnings Call Transcripts Earnings Beats & Misses Corporate Guidance Earnings Screener Earnings By Country U.S. Earnings Reports Canadian Earnings Reports U.K. Earnings Reports Latest Articles Airbnb Beats Earnings, But the Growth Story Is Losing AltitudeDutch Bros Just Flipped the Script With a Massive Earnings BeatIs Eli Lilly’s 14% Post-Earnings Slide a Buy-the-Dip Opportunity?Constellation Energy’s Earnings Beat Signals a New EraRealty Income Rallies Post-Earnings Miss—Here’s What Drove ItDon't Mix the Signal for Noise in Super Micro Computer's EarningsWhy Monolithic Power's Earnings and Guidance Ignited a Rally Upcoming Earnings SEA (8/12/2025)Cisco Systems (8/13/2025)Alibaba Group (8/13/2025)Applied Materials (8/14/2025)NetEase (8/14/2025)Deere & Company (8/14/2025)NU (8/14/2025)Petroleo Brasileiro S.A.- Petrobras (8/14/2025)Palo Alto Networks (8/18/2025)Home Depot (8/19/2025) Get 30 Days of MarketBeat All Access for Free Sign up for MarketBeat All Access to gain access to MarketBeat's full suite of research tools. Start Your 30-Day Trial MarketBeat All Access Features Best-in-Class Portfolio Monitoring Get personalized stock ideas. Compare portfolio to indices. Check stock news, ratings, SEC filings, and more. Stock Ideas and Recommendations See daily stock ideas from top analysts. Receive short-term trading ideas from MarketBeat. Identify trending stocks on social media. Advanced Stock Screeners and Research Tools Use our seven stock screeners to find suitable stocks. Stay informed with MarketBeat's real-time news. Export data to Excel for personal analysis. Sign in to your free account to enjoy these benefits In-depth profiles and analysis for 20,000 public companies. Real-time analyst ratings, insider transactions, earnings data, and more. Our daily ratings and market update email newsletter. Sign in to your free account to enjoy all that MarketBeat has to offer. Sign In Create Account Your Email Address: Email Address Required Your Password: Password Required Log In or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google Forgot your password? Your Email Address: Please enter your email address. Please enter a valid email address Choose a Password: Please enter your password. Your password must be at least 8 characters long and contain at least 1 number, 1 letter, and 1 special character. Create My Account (Free) or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google By creating a free account, you agree to our terms of service. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Opendoor Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:26I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Michael Judd, Capital Markets and Investor Relations. Speaker 100:00:35Thank you, and good afternoon. Details of our results and additional management commentary are available in our earnings release and shareholder letter, which can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website at investor.opendoor.com. Please note that this call will be simultaneously webcast on the Investor Relations section of the company's corporate website. Before we start, I would like to remind you that the following discussion contains forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. All statements other than statements of historical fact are statements that could be deemed forward looking, including, but not limited to, statements regarding Opendoor's financial condition, anticipated financial performance, business strategy and plans, market opportunity and expansion, and management objectives for future operations. Speaker 100:01:26These statements are neither promises nor guarantees and undue reliance should not be placed on them. Such forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed here. Additional information that could cause actual results to differ from forward looking statements can be found in the Risk Factors section of Opendoor's most recent annual report on Form 10 ks for the year ended 12/31/2024, as updated by our quarterly report on Form 10 Q for the quarter ended 06/30/2025, and other filings with the SEC. Any forward looking statements made on this conference call, including responses to your questions are based on management's reasonable current expectations and assumptions as of today, and Open Door assumes no obligation to update or revise them whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, except as required by law. The following discussion contains references to certain non GAAP financial measures. Speaker 100:02:29The company believes these non GAAP financial measures are useful to investors as supplemental operational measurements to evaluate the company's financial performance. For a reconciliation of these non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP metric, please see our website at investor.opendoor.com. I will now turn the call over to Carrie Wheeler, Chief Executive Officer of Opendoor. Speaker 200:02:52Thank you for joining us. At Opendoor, our mission is straightforward but bold, to make selling your home simple, certain, and fast. For most people, selling a home is one of the biggest financial transactions of their lives. And too often, it's also one of the most stressful. We believe it doesn't have to be that way. Speaker 200:03:11Over the past ten years, we've built deep infrastructure in real estate, pricing intelligence, operational capabilities, and a marketing engine that reaches high intense sellers. In doing so, we've amassed an unparalleled dataset, photos, videos, agent notes, and customer interactions from millions of home visits. This proprietary data fuels our AI, and that AI powers our flagship product, the cash offer, which delivers what traditional sales cannot: speed, certainty, and control. Our customers understand this. Over the past four years, our Net Promoter Score has been near 80, exceptional in any industry. Speaker 200:03:52And increasingly, agents understand it too. In fact, one in four of our acquisitions already come from an agent bringing us their client for a cash offer. We are now making the most important strategic shift in our history, moving from a single product to a distributed platform with multiple offerings delivered through agents. Asians already come to us every single day for a cash offer. We're simply changing the direction of traffic, putting the PowerBook and Door into their hands, so they can bring our products straight to the seller. Speaker 200:04:26We have two things no one else can give an agent. One, unparalleled lead quality. We are not getting agents cold names from a spreadsheet or putting them in the home with a motivated seller. Two, a differentiated product suite, more selling options powered by a trusted local advisor. Sellers can choose the certainty of a cash offer, the upside potential of a market listing, or hybrid of both. Speaker 200:04:54This means sellers get more choice, more speed and more certainty. Sellers win, agents win and Opendoor wins because we can serve far more sellers, monetize more leads and expand high margin, capital light revenue streams. We began piloting this new approach in select markets last quarter. The early proof points were compelling. Two times more customers are reaching a final underwritten cash offer relative to our traditional flow. Speaker 200:05:25We're delivering offers faster with streamlined in home agent assessments. Listing conversion rates are five times higher. And we're unlocking more capitalized earnings through our share of listing commissions. On the strength of these results, we've gone from pilot to full rollout in record time. Today, partner agents are live in every market we operate. Speaker 200:05:49Our next phase is optimization. More agents, better tools, better training, and more products. We've launched our Key Agent iOS app, so agents can do high fidelity home assessments right from their phone, enriching our AI and deepening the customer connection. Being in the home gives agents the chance to guide the seller through every option, and we believe that face to face trust will be a powerful driver of conversion. We've also launched Cash Plus, a hybrid product designed for sellers who want the convenience of a cash offer, but hope to maximize upside by going to market. Speaker 200:06:29Opendoor provides immediate cash to the seller, gets the home list ready and works with a partner agent to list the home. Upon resale, the seller can receive additional proceeds after expenses. For sellers, it's the best of both worlds. For agents, it's another competitive tool and keeps them engaged with the customer throughout the sales process. For Opendoor, it's a better risk adjusted product that uses less capital, protects our downside, and aligns our incentives even more closely with the customers. Speaker 200:07:00We are building a vibrant distributed ecosystem. Agents coming to us for cash offers. We're bringing sellers to partner agents. Sellers gain more choice, more speed, more certainty, and Opendoor gains more opportunities to monetize leads, serve customers and expand high margin revenue streams. This is a flywheel. Speaker 200:07:22The more agents we enable, the more sellers we serve. The more transactions we handle, the stronger our platform gets. Our marketing dollars become more efficient as we monetize more of the sellers who come to us. And as we grow transactions, we further leverage our cost structure. Value compounds for customers, agents, and shareholders alike. Speaker 200:07:45We are making these changes amidst a very challenging housing market. The 2025 will reflect lower acquisition and resale volumes due to the macro environment and continued high spreads, seasonality, and the fact that we are early in our transition. Our near term outlook, however, does not reflect what we're building towards, durability, relevance, and scale for the next decade. We know exactly where we're going, and we're taking decisive steps to get there. With that, I'll hand it over to Salim for the financials. Speaker 300:08:18Thank you, Carrie. We delivered a strong second quarter. At $1,600,000,000 in revenue, we achieved our first quarter of adjusted EBITDA profitability in three years. This outcome is an indicator of the meaningful operating leverage we have driven and provides a roadmap for what ANI breakeven could look like in the future. Our Q2 performance reflects deliberate choices we've made, including increased marketing spend in Q4 twenty twenty four and Q1 twenty twenty five to acquire more homes ahead of the spring selling season and widening offer spreads in q two twenty twenty five to manage risk as we prioritize marketing spend efficiency and disciplined underwriting. Speaker 300:09:00On the acquisition side, we purchased 1,757 homes in the second quarter, slightly ahead of our expectations, but down year over year driven by meaningfully wider spreads and accompanying reduced marketing spend. Contribution profit was $69,000,000 in the second quarter, representing a contribution margin of 4.4. This was down from $95,000,000 and 6.3% in Q2 twenty twenty four, driven by a higher mix of older inventory in our Q2 resale cohorts. Adjusted EBITDA was 23,000,000 in the second quarter compared to a loss of 5,000,000 in Q2 twenty twenty four. Turning to our balance sheet, we ended the quarter with 4,538 homes representing $1,500,000,000 in net inventory. Speaker 300:09:51We also had $1,100,000,000 in total capital, primarily comprised of $789,000,000 in unrestricted cash and $167,000,000 of equity invested in homes, net of inventory valuation adjustments. At quarter end, we had $7,800,000,000 in non recourse asset backed borrowing capacity, of which total committed borrowing capacity was $2,000,000,000. In May, we issued $325,000,000 of convertible senior notes due in 02/1930. This transaction allowed us to extend the maturities on $246,000,000 of our existing converts by four years and add $75,000,000 in cash to our balance sheet. Turning to our outlook, the housing market has further deteriorated over the course of the last quarter. Speaker 300:10:41Persistently high mortgage rates continue to suppress buyer demand, leading to lower clearance and record delistings. Our second half expectations take into account current macro dynamics, typical seasonal patterns in our cash offer business, and the early stage nature of our platform evolution, which is not yet a material contributor to our results. Our guidance for the 2025 includes the following. Approximately 1,200 homes acquired, revenue between 800 and $875,000,000, contribution margin of 2.8% to 3.3%, adjusted EBITDA between negative 28,000,000 and negative 21,000,000, and stock based compensation expense between 10,000,000 and $12,000,000. And while we're not providing full year guidance at this time, I would like to add some additional color for the balance of the year. Speaker 300:11:37We expect Q4 revenue to decline sequentially at a similar level to the Q3 sequential decline based on the dynamics I just mentioned. Contribution margin will also be pressured in the second half by an unfavorable mix of older, lower margin homes given lower acquisition volumes, likely putting our goal of year on year contribution margin improvement out of reach. Speaker 200:12:01Thanks, Celine. I want to acknowledge the great deal of interest in Opendoor lately, and that we're grateful for it. We welcome engagement from all of our investors, including the many shareholders who are new to the company. We appreciate your enthusiasm for what we're building and we're listening intently to your feedback. This increased visibility is an opportunity to tell our story to a broader audience. Speaker 200:12:21We intend to make the most of it. We've been laying the groundwork to execute on the strategy we have laid out to serve every seller possible to build a profitable business and in doing so to create long term shareholder value. We look forward to updating you on our progress in the coming quarters. And with that, I will ask the operator to open the line for questions. Operator00:12:40Thank you. Our first question comes from Dai Li with JPMorgan. You may proceed. Speaker 400:13:04Great. Thanks for taking my question. First one for Salim. With regards to your 3Q guidance, you talked about macro conditions worsening throughout 2Q. Is it kind of stable now or do you are you still seeing incremental softness heading into the back half? Speaker 400:13:23And I think you talked about the 3Q guidance not including meaningful impact from the newer initiatives like the agent working with agents. Is that like, how long does that process take? And when do you expect that to be a more meaningful contributor? And then I have a follow-up. Speaker 300:13:42Hey, Dave, thanks for the questions. I'll take the first one and I'll have Carrie talk a little bit about our new initiatives. Just in terms of the macro and what we see, I would say yes. I think at the current moment, things seem to have stabilized. Definitely well below where things were at the beginning of Q2. Speaker 300:14:02We did see sort of ongoing deterioration throughout the quarter. And now things seem to be in a bit of a stable pattern. And so our outlook for both Q3 and Q4 assume that we stay at or around this sort of overall macro environment, subject to seasonality adjustments that are normal for this time of year. Speaker 200:14:27On the topic of when can we see the impact of all the changes we're talking about, our new go to market, our expanded product suite, I'd say a couple of things. One is we're going to see the impact of that show up in conversion and in contracts long before we see it hit the P and L for a couple of reasons. One is we have been ramping into key connection markets throughout the last quarter or so, now live in every single market, but certainly ramping. And our job right now is to optimize, get more agents enrolled, more training and get them live. Two, there's just a natural lag between when we enter into a contract and where or a listing agreement and then when that home actually gets sold and we record it with revenues. Speaker 200:15:11If you think about ramping activity, a lag between contract or listing to when we actually realize it on the P and L, we're going to see the real impact of this going to show up in 2026. And then last point would be cash plus. That's a meaningful growth lever for us, we believe, based on what we're seeing so far in our pilot markets incremental to conversion. But that's in a handful of markets ramping very quickly. Next quarter when we have this call, it will be in all markets. Speaker 200:15:36But again, that's going take some time to kind of get in the hands of all of our key connection agents. Speaker 400:15:43Got it. And as a quick follow-up, does these newer initiatives like Key Connections or Cash Plus change your contribution margin profile of the business? Speaker 300:15:54I think with respect to the various outcomes or the product suite that we have, I think Cash Plus enables us to have more confidence in being able to deliver within our target contribution margin range. It's a better risk adjusted process or a risk adjusted product for us in addition to the fact that the initial cash outlay is lower than it would be otherwise for a normal cash offer. And then with respect to listening outcomes, is high margin revenue for us, but obviously will not show up as much on the revenue line, but should help contribution margin over time. Speaker 400:16:38Understood. Thank you. Speaker 300:16:40Thank you. Operator00:16:43Thank you. Our next question comes from Ryan Tomasello with KBW. You may proceed. Speaker 500:16:50Hi, everyone. This is Juan on for Ryan, and thank you for taking questions. On the 4Q guidance commentary, when the company says that it expects a sequential decline in 4Q revenue similar to what the 3Q guidance implies, Is that going to be on an absolute dollar basis or on a percent basis? And similarly, would the $50,000,000 third quarter OpEx guidance be a good run rate for fourth quarter as well? Speaker 300:17:15Thanks for the questions. And sorry that the sequential guidance comment was not clear, but just to clarify that sequential on a percentage basis, not on a dollar basis. And then in terms of 50,000,000 OpEx run rate, I would say no, that it's going to move from quarter to quarter. We've talked about in the past our new marketing strategy, which is heavier in Q1 and Q4 to align with the time of year when spreads are lower and we're acquiring homes in advance of the spring selling season. And so we would expect heavier marketing load in Q4 and Q1 and a lighter marketing load in Q2 and Q3. Speaker 300:17:56So what you have in Q3 is a lighter marketing load, all else equal. So we would expect OpEx to ramp back up in Q4 and Q1 driven by marketing. Speaker 500:18:08Okay, that's clear. I have just a quick follow-up. Sure. With the shift to more of a buyer's market across parts of the country, are you seeing any notable increases in request volumes from sellers in those markets? And generally, how are you thinking about the potential for more seller demand coming into the platform? Speaker 300:18:29Yeah, I would say no. Our guidance and our outlook doesn't imply that there is any increase in seller demand coming because we haven't yet seen an increase in buyer demand leading to higher clearance. If and when that does happen, then we would expect more sellers to be comfortable taking offers and wanting to sell their homes. But we're not currently seeing that and our guidance doesn't imply that that's going to happen. And then how do we think about demand? Speaker 300:19:02Generally speaking, are like I mentioned before, we're aligning our marketing spend to points in time in the year when we can be acquisitive and acquire homes ahead of the spring selling season when you tend to have higher buyer demand and can realize better prices. And so we are going heavier in marketing, as I mentioned in Q4 and Q1, to drive, more acquisitions at a time when spreads historically have been lower. And then we lean back out, in the summer months when the focus is more on resale than it is on us being buyers in the market at that time. Speaker 500:19:50Got it. Thanks. Operator00:19:53Thank you. Our next question comes from Ygal Arounian with Citigroup. You may proceed. Speaker 600:20:00Hi. This is Wayne Trinh on for Ygal. I just wanted to ask about the distributor platform. It seems to be performing well with twice as many customers reaching a cash offer and getting that offer faster. Can you just walk us through how it's kind of done since you've gone into rapid expansion? Speaker 600:20:16And can you talk about the share economics you'll have there with agents between conversions and lead generation? Speaker 200:20:24I'm happy to do that. Let's talk a little bit about why we're doing this. First of all, to make it clear, I'll talk about what we're seeing on the conversion side, which is exciting. And then we'll talk about unit economics. On the why, based on what we've been trialing over the last quarter or so, is that pairing our sellers with an agent early in the selling journey drives incremental conversion, full stop. Speaker 200:20:45An agent's able to get to a customer early. They can contextualize a suite of options, not just one option, but a whole range of alternatives for how they sell, and they guide that seller to the best outcome. And that converts better. So, so far, what we're seeing is twice as many customers getting through our funnel all the way to a final underwriting than we had seen historically on our traditional direct to consumer flow. That means we have more customers that we have a chance to convert on. Speaker 200:21:11We're seeing total conversion to selling outcomes be higher. We're seeing five times more people convert to a listing than otherwise we would have been able to monetize a lead into. Those are all great proof points. We're seeing some small amount of degradation of cash conversion so far, but that was anticipated and we believe is temporary. Two reasons for that. Speaker 200:21:32One, our spreads are wide right now given macro and seasonality. And two, our agents are still early on in getting trained and using the cash offer as part of our everyday motion. Probably most importantly, though, is we don't have cash plus in any of those numbers Where we have got cash plus in our pilot markets, it's incremental to cash conversion. In other words, more people are choosing the cash plus option than they are choosing cash. And we think that should be a durable conversion lever to serve more sellers we're seeing today on the cash side. Speaker 200:22:02So that's the conversion story. With respect to unit economics, I think, in terms of how this all rolls through for agents or for us or for both, I assume. I'll keep going. Yeah. So on the cash plus versus cash economics, the way to think about it at a high level is we're valuing the home in the exact same way we do today for our traditional cash offer product. Speaker 200:22:28We're just providing less cash upfront. The seller is still able to unlock a ton of their equity. They can pack up. They can move out. They can do what they need to do next. Speaker 200:22:36We'll take on the burdens of repairs, and we'll take on the burden of getting listed with that partner agent. But that seller gets additional proceeds after the resale net of expenses. Celine said this earlier, but just to be very clear, it reduces our upfront capital needs. It gives us better downside protection. And it still targets a similar contribution margin to our historical cash offer product, but we think the likelihood of hitting that target is higher in this model. Speaker 200:23:02In terms of the economics to the agent, they get their listing commission on the back end when that home resells. On the listing, to the extent that we have taken one of our customers, paired them with an agent, that agent eventually goes on to list the home for that customer. There's a listing commission involved. The agent earns that, and we take a share of that commission. Our share is at the high end of industry standard because our lead quality, frankly, is so strong and high converting. Speaker 200:23:29And what that gives us is capital light, high margin revenue. Speaker 600:23:36All right. Very helpful. Thank you. And then my second question would be on the pace of acquisitions. Last quarter, talked about barbell kind of shape. Speaker 600:23:45I guess, are you still thinking about the same way? And is there any sense you can give us of the magnitude of sequential increase from Q3 to Q4? Speaker 300:23:55Yeah, we are still thinking about it in the same way. Obviously, all else equal for the macro environment. As you know, we've been responsive to that, and we've adjusted our pace according to what we see in the macro. But as we currently sit here today, we would expect acquisitions to sequentially scale back up in Q4 relative to Q3, but we're not in a position to guide or give color on how much that could be or what that could look like. It's really dependent on what happens in the macro environment, where we set spreads and the progress that we make on this platform pivot. Speaker 300:24:35And so we'll update you on that in ninety days. Speaker 600:24:40Got it. Thank you. Operator00:24:43Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Boone with Citizens. You may proceed. Speaker 700:24:50Thanks so much for taking the questions. I wanted to ask about the new platform and just kind of where is agent and consumer awareness within some of kind of your oldest markets? How are you guys thinking about driving the awareness of kind of newer offerings and changing the consumer perception of what OpenDoor is? And then I'd love just something a little bit more tactical as we think about the back half of '25. Can you just talk about the trend in spreads and how we should think about spreads in terms of offers for the back half of the year? Speaker 700:25:17Thanks so much. Speaker 200:25:19I'll go first. It's Carrie. Thanks for the question. A couple of things. First of all, how are we going to get, the word out about key connections to agents? Speaker 200:25:30One of the things I think is important to understand is we already have 25% of our business coming to us today from agent partners. Those are agents who fully understand the power and importance of having a cash offer in hand when they're going to a listing appointment. And they're kind to us with their customer asking for a cash offer today. So we already have tons of agent relationships. They understand the power of it. Speaker 200:25:52They know they can rely on it. We don't retrade. We close on time. We make it very easy and seamless for them extend that offer to their client. This is just us changing the flow of traffic. Speaker 200:26:02This is us taking our high intent seller leads and putting them in the hands of agent partners. Our sense of what we're going to see is that this is going to become very symbiotic, right? Agents coming to us, us going to agents. On the news of some of the marketing we've done recently around our key agent app, our push on key connections, have a ton of inbound from agents who understand what this could mean for their business. They understand what it means for their next lead. Speaker 200:26:32We're solving a problem for them. They're not having to go find their next customer. They understand they get a differentiated suite of products to sell to their clients that they can't get anywhere else. They understand the quality of our leads. We are putting them in the home. Speaker 200:26:45That's not a lead you get somewhere else. It's totally differentiated. And so I don't really foresee a lot of problems getting this into the hands of agents and having it kind of stem from there. Consumers, listen, we've been marketing for a long time to consumers. We get lots of sellers who come to us. Speaker 200:26:59Our brand awareness has continued to accrete over time. We'll continue to market to consumers. Our number one job right now is to take more of those many, many sellers who come to us and convert them, monetize those leads through the agent channel. That's what we're excited to do. Speaker 300:27:15Yeah. And then with respect to spreads, in a normal seasonal environment, I would say that spreads tend to peak in late summer or late spring, early summer, And then they will trend down from there throughout the course of the second half before they will start to come back up in late winter and early spring. That's what we how we normally manage the business. And so all else equal, that is what we would expect to see between now and the end of the year. Speaker 700:27:47Thank you. Operator00:27:49Thank you. Our next question comes from Nick McAndrew with Zelman and Associates. You may proceed. Speaker 800:28:00Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just to start, you've noted that spreads have remained elevated and above historical norms just given weaker clearance rates. And I'm just wondering if you could provide any color or translate some of that to how much cushion you're building into today's pricing environment and what kind of home price volatility you expect in the back half of the year? Speaker 300:28:25Yeah. So generally, we strive to set price to enable us to deliver within our target contribution margin range. And so that's how we set our spreads or approach setting our spreads. The challenge that I sort of referenced in comments is when we assume a certain macro and then the macro further deteriorates, it starts to eat into any cushion that we have and therefore makes it more difficult for us to hit the target contribution margin range. But that is generally the approach that we take. Speaker 300:29:02Then with respect to home prices, home price appreciation tends to vary sort of depending on the time of year. The spring is when you tend to see the highest or positive home price appreciation. And then as you get into the fall and winter, home price appreciation tends to go negative. That's no different to what we're planning today. The only difference that we saw, I would say in Q2 is the positive home price appreciation period of time this year was actually the shortest that it has been in quite a number of years. Speaker 300:29:39We provide some charts on that in the back of our shareholder letter that I would refer you to. I think that can be a helpful guide to understand that. Speaker 800:29:48That's helpful. Thank you. Salim, maybe just a follow-up for you. I know you've established the ATM equity offering about a year ago, and it doesn't look like you've accessed it to date even with the recent improvement in stock price and volume. So I'm just curious if you can talk about the environment or circumstances in which you would consider raising capital through the ATM? Speaker 800:30:08Thank you. Speaker 300:30:08Yes. Look, generally speaking, we don't comment on future capital raises. As for the ATM, no, we have not used it yet. We have a year and a half remaining to use it and we'll be opportunistic in how leverage it. And beyond that, I would say there's not much more I can say. Speaker 800:30:25Great. Thank you. Operator00:30:29Thank you. This concludes the conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by